i may not have time to get it
#subtlety
warm marlin
maiden oar
i dont want to get beaten to death by autos
maiden oar
<:hmmge:1128012609417920562> i may not have time to get it
can u farm valeera exp just spamming the one zulaman delve w the caged bears
warm marlin
oh kyveza wasnt so bad
maiden oar
do u get bountiful pre 17th
warm marlin
i am not a knower
maiden oar
<:hmmge:1128012609417920562> i may not have time to get it
id like to get it but i also wanna write mrt notes for everything pre splits on tue
its like 10k ppl though
warm marlin
ah it wont close that fast probably
maiden oar
so probably still open on wed
swift tinsel
normally you get bountiful keys from weekly chests and I've gotten zero
maiden oar
yea
i did kyveza in s2 gear also was rly fun
so i wanna go for it
surely he does not auto for 20% of my hp
maiden oar
oh ok
bleak night
we were much stronger comparatively at that point than we will be now
maiden oar
i remember uh
bleak night
but yeah valeera is kinda op
maiden oar
but i had trouble w him on low gear
bleak night
she has healing ground effect, dr ground effect, and a shield she gives you
maiden oar
could be bc i was alot more of a noob though
warm marlin
ye valeera makes you a tank
maiden oar
bleak night
and gives you leech
maiden oar
ok i will try to level her next bear cage day
warm marlin
in the t7 delve spam you're legit getting autoed/standing in swirls and your hp is legit bdk
you lose 60% hp in one second and she full tops you insta
crazy work
maiden oar
oh ok i like
try to bait 2 swirls on each other then move
i havent even tried to stand in them im a coward
warm marlin
that fight is a lot less fun with 3 ppl
maiden oar
btw what even happens to the bears they leave the cage and theyre surrounded by like 6 zombies and troll wizards
warm marlin
but the amount of swirls on the very last guy are per player
maiden oar
i feel like im not helping them much
robust light
i love how other classes get stealth for some reason
torn tide
yo what ilevel is considered "good" for mythic0?
robust light
yo what ilevel is considered "good" for mythic0?
someone told me 220 was fine idk
fleet wharf
@warm marlin quick question about your UI, the 3 in the Evisc is tracking escalating blade charges, right? how did you do that?
torn tide
someone told me 220 was fine idk
oh cool
torn tide
someone told me 220 was fine idk
i think the real question i shouldve asked is what ilevel do i need to not get my ass declined over and over in m0 pugs lol
brisk onyx
220
tribal vortex
289 probably
tidal marsh
I mean
If you don't have 6/6M Voidspire by tomorrow then like you shouldn't even bother opening the game
Also it's M0, just make your own group
¯_(ツ)_/¯
torn tide
If you don't have 6/6M Voidspire by tomorrow then like you shouldn't even bother...
not ilevel 400?? time to uninstall
swift tinsel
buncha non-BiS scrublords here I see
willow pawn
we craft vet or advent weapon?
warm marlin
<@135762418251988992> quick question about your UI, the 3 in the Evisc is tracki...
It’s escalating blade overlaid on top of the eviscerate tracker
Technically an escalating blade bar tracker but the bar is hidden (only way for it to show 0)
fleet wharf
DId you have to change anything for strata data?
alpine wraith
we craft vet or advent weapon?
you can craft either
warm marlin
It just worked when I set it up idk
alpine wraith
they wont matter in 2 weeks but it is fine for now
fierce lantern
are there any quartermaster renown for items to persue?
hushed roost
Is there any way to show cd of the shadow dance in the bottom with better cdm?
hexed wave
Hey guys!! Serious question here, we craft Farstrider's Mercy with the Missive of feverflare right
darkmoon: hunt embel
main vortex
are there any quartermaster renown for items to persue?
there is some champion pieces available when you get high enough renown with each faction.
neon stump
does anyone have an addon to track ancient arts?
hazy breach
!apex
wicked joltBOT
You cannot track the apex talents Ancient Arts through the cooldown manager. However they do show up via the ingame like THIS. If you cannot see them you must go
into your settings and increase your Spell Alert Opacity
grand summit
is Deathstalker useable?
neon stump
You cannot track the apex talents Ancient Arts through the cooldown manager. How...
its swhoing the in game THIS is not available
hazy breach
!Apex this time for sure?
wicked joltBOT
You cannot track the apex talents Ancient Arts through the cooldown manager. However they do show up via the ingame like THIS. If you cannot see them you must go
into your settings and increase your Spell Alert Opacity
torn tide
!Apex this time for sure?
nicee it works
gilded wadi
why does sec tec doesn't generate cp when dark arts proced? is it intentional or bug?
hazy breach
!premed
wicked joltBOT
There is a bug that makes it so while Premeditation is active you cannot get a refund nor spawn the clone from Ancient Arts. This is not something you need to play around, as using Ancient Arts of Secret Technique is about the same value as using it on a regular Eviscerate.
gilded wadi
ty
neon stump
my spell alert opacity turned all the way up and still dont see the proc for ancientarts
hazy breach
And you are level 90 with all 4 points specced into it?
If so then you probably have them disabled somehow, probably via an addon
neon stump
And you are level 90 with all 4 points specced into it?
ya i have them all with points and 90
neon stump
If so then you probably have them disabled somehow, probably via an addon
hmmm okay
neon stump
are you using elvui
yes
i turn elvui off and works ugh
can never have anything nice
swift tinsel
it probs has a setting that hides it turned on, if you find that I'm sure you can make them appear again while using elvui
runic sinew
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
maiden oar
they fixed aoe blind
no.....
bleak night
they fixed aoe blind
dont say this
plush roost
Its real and its totally over
bleak night
lucid jackal
gg
lilac stag
!guide
runic sinew
guys, apex coup was fixed?
hazy breach
What about it
runic sinew
Idk, is just a question...
hazy breach
Idk what your question is about
brisk onyx
bleak night
hazy breach
"fixed" in what way
runic sinew
I'm talking about when we use the Apex Talent proc with coup. Wasn't that bugged?
or we still need to skip proc with coup
?
hazy breach
It was never bugged like that no
viral phoenix
is doing the same thing with backstab / shuriken storm outside of dance worth or nah
hazy breach
Youre not getting that many sht stacks outside dance
viral phoenix
yeah but like sometimes the global after dance ends you have 5+ or whatever
rancid sierra
Has anyone had the issuie where you're renown 9 with zul'aman but no quest for the 246 item? soujourner achieve also done
what gatekeeps it?
main vortex
have you done the delve?
rigid marten
do u have to transfer crest to get 259?
lucid jackal
Has anyone had the issuie where you're renown 9 with zul'aman but no quest for t...
U need to have done the tutorial for the abundance
kind edge
U need to have done the tutorial for the abundance
i did it, but for some weird reason i didnt recived the quest Midnight: Abundance, the next one of the chain...
odd sandal
What is the best world quest addon these days?
pine oyster
I still like world quest tracker
odd sandal
I still like world quest tracker
That's what I've been using but now it doesn't have details about the rewards
lucid jackal
No?
spare quiver
i hope no:(
half comet
if you have coup do you use it first going into dance or still sec tec
pine oyster
That's what I've been using but now it doesn't have details about the rewards
What do you mean details about the rewards? Mine shows what each quest gives whether it be an item or gold or rep or whatever
brisk onyx
if you have coup do you use it first going into dance or still sec tec
Still tech
jaunty heath
Is eu weekly reset up?
grand wyvern
yes
west bluff
damn playing the new sub makes me feel like im in classic
shy flare
!ui
wintry heart
Did everyone craft weapon?
crystal atlas
Are there any goated trinkets we want from M0?
west bluff
Did everyone craft weapon?
i'll wait until next week i think, no reason to craft rn
pearl swan
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
lilac stag
i'll wait until next week i think, no reason to craft rn
If you’re gonna craft next week why wait? Just gets you through m0 faster with better weapon
jovial marten
is it the Farstrider's mercy the one we craft, the dagger, I would imagine? thanks (sry for dumb question)
lucid jackal
Whats that
grand wyvern
is aoe blind gone?
grand wyvern
sadge
jovial marten
Whats that
The name of the crafted dagger
lucid jackal
does it have agi?
jovial marten
Yeah, thanks Foreverg ❤️
dire ravine
CDG feels meh
lucid jackal
Yeah, thanks Foreverg ❤️
magic coral
we sill using darkmoon sigil blood?
young harness
what race is simming highest atm
true citrus
You guys using trickster for dungeons?
brazen stone
wats better for leveling and dung leveling/questing in general
sub or sin
delvs
etc
dire ravine
I leveled sub the entire way, and it was super ez peasy
brazen stone
yea i did too, wasnt sure if i should level my alt as sub too or if sin was a lot faster for big pulls and what not
rich canopy
Sub is a lot smoother
neon stump
what is the highest damage race for sub now?
lucid jackal
what race is simming highest atm
Panda or mechagnome
lucid jackal
what is the highest damage race for sub now?
Panda or mechagnome
young harness
Panda or mechagnome
what about horde
lucid jackal
So panda is horde
neon stump
the food buff that huge huh
willow pawn
Do we save adventurer crests at all?
lilac stag
you may want to incase you have to upgrade a piece or two for first raid
Upgrading now doesn’t really do much
pine oyster
It’s recommend to save them in case you get a piece from m0 in a spot you upgraded with crests, those crests are kinda wasted
So perhaps wait till after the 2 pre season weeks and have run your 16 mO, 4 hard prey targets, then use your crests
But at the end of the day, it’s all irrelevant when m+ comes out, so follow your heart, you don’t need to min max
dire ravine
why cant i track this on my cdm bar?
chrome palm
why cant i track this on my cdm bar?
They forgor
dire ravine
They forgor
Are there any 3rd party CDMs that can?
wintry heart
Shadowstriking on full combo points feels bad, how big of an increase is that optimization
brisk onyx
～1.5%
bleak night
if you dont do it ur a nub
dire ravine
Im tryna make a roster my guy, im looking to optimize as much as i can xD
wintry heart
So anytime I have 5 or more stack of shadow techniques I always shadowstrike before finishing, is this intended?
dire ravine
if apex procs next full cp finisher yes
GL tracking that in the wee topright of your screen tho
tbh, i just be pressing it.
wintry heart
I just did it that entire m0 im not tracking all that LOL
chrome palm
If you use acrui you can track it as a bar that changes color at 5
rain stratus
Any reason to save adventurer crests?
grand wyvern
if you are left with some adventurer piece before raid you can upgrade those
steady dome
You get a quest called midnight world tour after finishing campaign that gives a spark
loud wharf
You get a quest called midnight world tour after finishing campaign that gives a...
Yep, I am blind and didnt say reading was my strong suit
short radish
one of us. one of us.
steady dome
So true 🙂
loud wharf
I was keeping up with chat and saw people were going to be crafting a weapon this week. So I was like man, I must be missing something that's just hitting me in the face.
Sure was. Just excited to finally start gearing Preciate yall
dire ravine
You get a quest called midnight world tour after finishing campaign that gives a...
suppose to get 2 this week, yeah?
lilac stag
one of us. one of us.
nocturne oriole
Panda or mechagnome are top dps races. How long does this last? Panda animations are S tier ngl
rancid sierra
Did I own this week
nocturne oriole
So anytime I have 5 or more stack of shadow techniques I always shadowstrike bef...
Open your game options and in the search bar type “opacity” and set the spell proc opacity to 100. Granted, it’s black so it could be easily missed, but it does help and you get used to it.
brisk onyx
<:kekw:610125925413289985>
tribal blade
anyone got the haste breakpoint chart
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064>
ty lover
hallow matrix
No point in crafting until heroic release right?
tribal blade
ok sick i'm past 0.4 breakpoint
lilac stag
I mean 259 weapon makes everything die faster
lilac stag
ok sick i'm past 0.4 breakpoint
Got some good drops in m0?
white tapir
how are you all liking sub in m0s right now? So far, it isnt bad.
olive canyon
i am dumpstering
white tapir
i started tonight with 7% haste, which felt terrible
spiral needle
press shuriken storm, press black powder
sometimes, when you're a good boy, you get to press black powder twice
olive canyon
im just pugging so i dont have a good comparison but aoe packs im decimating, st is also good
vale pine
i started tonight with 7% haste, which felt terrible
7% is very low, so def. need more
chrome palm
Oops
tribal blade
Got some good drops in m0?
yeah! almost all haste gear
raven blaze
should i be dancing before a maxed out eviscerate or is it better to get another shadowstrike out
A: 7 cp, dance, evis,
B: 7 cp, evis, dance, strike, evis
which is better? buffing an evis or getting another shadowstrike cast in my dance
celest mulch
@vale pine whats the command to bring up your spreadsheet now?
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vale pine
tho i need to run sin/outlaw sims
lilac stag
yeah! almost all haste gear
We only did 4. Got the haste / mastery ring out Ig magi terrace
tribal blade
We only did 4. Got the haste / mastery ring out Ig magi terrace
huge
we just ran the entire thing in 1 go
i'm tried
tired
lilac stag
We saved 4 for Thursday
hexed dagger
anyone got the hookup to a smart tricks addon/macro for tanks
nocturne oriole
anyone got the hookup to a smart tricks addon/macro for tanks
TricksMD on curseforge
hallow matrix
At the very worst that just becomes an offhand
That’s fine if we definitely craft a weapon when we get access to myth crests right? No chance we’d make the belt short of getting really lucky with myth weapon drops?
lilac stag
It’s a weapon + an armor piece based on loot drops for 99.9% of the players.
gonna walk into mythic week 1 and get a dagger drop on second boss? glhf
dire ravine
I feel like my eyeballs hurt from just hard staring @ my stack of sht xD
limpid sage
gonna walk into mythic week 1 and get a dagger drop on second boss? glhf
- you’ll want to have the embellishment in the offhand later anyway I’d imagine
so both best prog piece and one of your lowest stat budget pieces later (in the offhand)
lilac stag
yea. It’s a no brainer to me. Killing stuff faster now is worth it.
broken seal
Actually what do you think about our apex talents ? If we compare our apex with the other classes ? Do we look fine in terms of damage gain?
void ocean
!up
wicked joltBOT
lilac stag
Actually what do you think about our apex talents ? If we compare our apex with ...
I think it doesn’t matter what other classes get. I enjoy playing around our apex.
dire jolt
Visually it's fun to me. So many clones.
iron tartan
Do we craft a weapon this week or hold off?
alpine wraith
what else are you going to do with veteran crests
upbeat garden
Did I own this week
neck is from m0 or ?
west tide
700 haste pog
keen dome
zoomin'
west tide
the 246 trinket doesnt sim rn but logs with it look solid
cursive vapor
!stats
wicked joltBOT
The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target: Versatility >= Haste(35%) > Critical Strike > Mastery
Mythic+: Mastery >= Versatility > critical strike > Haste (~20%)
minor trout
first dance now gives flat 3s and is added after deepening shadows? so deepening doesnt scale with first dance anymore?
regal current
Why is tricks of the trade sometimes only lasting 30 seconds
when i have the talent?
maiden oar
thats the unactivated tricks probably
iron obsidian
^
iron obsidian
once you activate it itll be 60m
broken seal
I think it doesn’t matter what other classes get. I enjoy playing around our ape...
Yeah I was just wondering. The result doens’t matter even if the class is f tier I will play it.
maiden oar
our apex is pretty good relatively speaking but i think havoc apex is peak
brews up there too
but there are tons of worse/more boring apexes than sub
fallow nimbus
steel zinc
What are the haste breakpoints?
tribal vortex
like 200 and 700
mighty citrus
at 700 i get 2 sectec into my blades?
tribal vortex
no this happens only with lust i think
or maybe it can be done with first dance not sure
steel zinc
@vale pine above
alpine wraith
you need 35% to get two sec techs in blades but it is whatever
you just get sec tech on next dance with supercharger and it is better
vale pine
it isn't that high anymore in st
tribal vortex
I was playing a dungeon now with around 11% haste and i almost had a sec tec in SB but with the 3 sec extended
steel zinc
for pre raid, i would just go with sims tho
So 18% unbuffed and we gucci?
fleet wharf
Hey, so a quick question about the Ancient Arts optimization:
I'm guessing the goal of that optimization is to squeeze in as many finishers during dance as possible, right?
alpine wraith
more like strike is strong and finishers will all get copies because we swim in sht
so you get extra dmg
fleet wharf
So if there's like 2 sec left on SD, we wouldn't do it since we won't fit another one in, or do we still do that?
alpine wraith
yea but they are stronger and strike hits hard
vale pine
its an opimization around damage rather than ressource
alpine wraith
hence why we dont use it on aoe in 4+ targets
vale pine
because you get so much ressources
alpine wraith
because storm doesnt hit as hard
fleet wharf
so as a rule during dance, always SS when shadow techniques is at 5 or higher?
on low target counts*
alpine wraith
if you dont have ancient arts up and you have 5 sht at least
and full cp
you strike yes
fleet wharf
If I have Ancient arts up, I spam 2 finishers first, correct?
vale pine
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
Note: Only up to 3 targets.
alpine wraith
be aware that sometimes ancient arts can proc and you get only a 5cp or 6cp refund so you may need more sht
no you dont do 2 finishers
vale pine
^ its just a diffrent breakdown of it, but migth be easier to apply if you follow a "checklist"
fleet wharf
That is so cursed
vale pine
it is
alpine wraith
it is silly but this is even after 1 shadowcraft nerf
they may nerf it again
and just aura buff us
to cull this
fleet wharf
surely they won't just aurabuff us like in S2 of TWW
finite crow
didnt see a new expansion so empty in a while
fleet wharf
its an opimization around damage rather than ressource
So what does the most damage? I think I get the checklist bit, but I'd like to understand what I'm trying to squeeze more out of
alpine wraith
you get more dmg from clones on finishers+
steel zinc
**Apex talent optimization** (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_wi...
I am confident I can make this into an addon btw
let me cook
alpine wraith
ahaha
steel zinc
already got AA tracker and made it into text and icon
fleet wharf
Is there any way to see/track how many clones are active?
alpine wraith
as people get more gear it will be easier to get used to it
fleet wharf
does that affect our actions at all?
vale pine
fleet wharf
Not sending double finishers with AA is so weird
vale pine
but generally just follow a very simple set of rotaitonal rules
fleet wharf
Esp coming out of the last season
fleet wharf
be aware that sometimes ancient arts can proc and you get only a 5cp or 6cp refu...
Why is this significant? If we aren't sending double finishers, why do we care about not being at full CP?
Oh, is it because you can't proc AA with another SS in that case?
west arch
!arts
fleet wharf
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
Note: Only up to 3 targets.
alpine wraith
Oh, is it because you can't proc AA with another SS in that case?
yea apex 3 needs a builder in between
if it was like old shadowcraft and you could just keep doing them it would be funnier
wicked joltBOT
You cannot track the apex talents Ancient Arts through the cooldown manager. However they do show up via the ingame like THIS. If you cannot see them you must go
into your settings and increase your Spell Alert Opacity
west arch
!apex
wicked joltBOT
You cannot track the apex talents Ancient Arts through the cooldown manager. However they do show up via the ingame like THIS. If you cannot see them you must go
into your settings and increase your Spell Alert Opacity
short radish
are people pooling cp before dance and doing insta sectech?
fleet wharf
yea apex 3 needs a builder in between
What's the ideal situation for proccing more AA activations? Like do you have examples of what this maximizing AA looks like in a dance window?
alpine wraith
i did a video on it but basically you begin dance with like 3-4 sht
fleet wharf
kk, I'll check it out. That's good to know
alpine wraith
then sec tech at full cp it cant prox the refund because of premed bug but
you strike get apex
evis
alpine wraith
get a refund but you use trike again to enable apex 3
then evis again etc
until dance ends
what i dont know if it is a win is if you end dance at full cp
and are in blades with new tier set
if you just do a stab in between to proc apex 3
then go into next dance and dance+evis apexing that one
fleet wharf
Thanks for the explanation. The video helps too. Idk if you care about feedback, but for these kind of tutorial, it might be a good idea to have a GCD history on screen somewhere.
But to dumb it down a bit more, it looks like you follow the checklist, and you essentially want the AA visuals to appear as frequently on your screen as possible?
full bobcat
**Apex talent optimization** (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_wi...
the "up to 3 targets" means that we should do the same thing but with shuriken when >3 targets, right?
broken seal
but there are tons of worse/more boring apexes than sub
Okay thank you for that !
fleet wharf
are people pooling cp before dance and doing insta sectech?
I think you pool CP as well as SHT before dance+sec tech now
lilac stag
to cull this
Stop being a negative Nancy. 
golden birch
in opener u want to use eviscerate as first finisher for SnD or u just delay it so ST align with SD ?
lilac stag
You strike evis vanish strike send cds, or strike and send cds. It really matters very little unless you know you need sblades back right at 1:30
fleet wharf
strike evisc is only technically suggested because it gets slice and dice rolling faster
golden birch
You strike evis vanish strike send cds, or strike and send cds. It really matter...
make sense, ty
narrow shadow
Are M0s daily?
fleet wharf
Weekly until M+ launches
fathom adder
is there no buyable extra socket for neck/ring this time
tribal vortex
the "up to 3 targets" means that we should do the same thing but with shuriken w...
I think in aoe you just ignore it and spam bp
vale pine
the "up to 3 targets" means that we should do the same thing but with shuriken w...
yes
you only do it on 1-3 targets
and don't if you have more
full bobcat
ty @vale pine
vale pine
no problem
ancient sorrel
Is sapling of dawnroot a good trinket?
lean bone
is it a major dps loss if on pool i go shadowstrike -> SB + sectec?
why initial evis is needed in the opener?
upd. nvm, i checked the guide again
fleet acorn
can i somehow look all media (pictures posted) in this channel on pc?
lilac stag
Search channel media
broken saffron
Do we ever use Eviscerate in AOE situations?
lilac stag
yes. When it’s coup
lilac stag
then we All LAUGH at you.
broken saffron
Hm, that makes sense. I'm watching a vid where the guy says to use powder directly after EVI??
limpid sage
you gotta give more context
vale pine
is it a major dps loss if on pool i go shadowstrike -> SB + sectec?
why initial...
it isn't needed
lilac stag
stop watching video guides. Follow rules in IV or Wowhead for target counts.
vale pine
can i somehow look all media (pictures posted) in this channel on pc?
you can, like this
broken saffron
stop watching video guides. Follow rules in IV or Wowhead for target counts.
seems so. Guy says to use EVI > powder > backstap > shurikens in aoe. seems wierd
wowhead it is
limpid sage
seems so. Guy says to use EVI > powder > backstap > shurikens in aoe. seems wier...
idk what that guy is cooking
broken saffron
idk what that guy is cooking
The lamb sauce
lilac stag
love how Sectech is missing 
tawdry sorrel
Is the Maxdps rotation incorrect, or does it just feel that way? Use it just to get back into the rotation, but it feels a bit weird.
lilac stag
The what rotation
limpid sage
The what rotation
the one where you evis in aoe and backstab over shuriken storm
potent mortar
Isn’t that like Hekili?
lilac stag
the one where you evis in aoe and backstab over shuriken storm
Is 445am too early to start drinking?
tawdry sorrel
Isn’t that like Hekili?
Yea
lilac stag
GTFO with max rotation whatever
potent mortar
It’s gotta be wrong then lol I’m surprised that’s even functional
limpid sage
Is 445am too early to start drinking?
if anything it's too late
lilac stag
figure the minmax out once you know what your buttons do
tawdry sorrel
Learn to play the spec. It’s not that difficult.
Yes, I just wanted to get back into the rotation.
potent mortar
It’s pretty easy yeah idk why that person is being so harsh with you though
lilac stag
You could have done that in the time we’ve talked here
lilac pendant
sorry if stupid question but anyone has the scale for pawn done?
alpine wraith
likely you just need to watch for what to use in dance
potent mortar
Use the macros it’s like the easiest spec I’ve played in a while
lilac stag
We don’t use pawn
alpine wraith
just know you want to sec tech every dance
lilac stag
You use simc
alpine wraith
pawn is a bit of a relic from times when simc was only a local thing
lilac stag
This isn’t tbc
lilac pendant
wow sorry
alpine wraith
the stats are way easier to kinda get around now
potent mortar
😂
tawdry sorrel
Use the macros it’s like the easiest spec I’ve played in a while
Which macros do u mean?
alpine wraith
just get around 700 haste then go mastery/crit less haste for aoe but that is whatever
potent mortar
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique
Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm
This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.
/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call
Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder
You can find more macros and details in Guides like 
WoWhead or 
Icy Veins.
alpine wraith
sim for the best outcome fro the gear you have
you can use raidbots
or run simc locally
tawdry sorrel
Ok xD
lilac pendant
yeah i just wanted a quick addon while gearing up leveling
to get that green arrow on bags
mostly
potent mortar
Ok xD
With all those macros set up the spec is basically 2 buttons lol. Don’t use rotation addons they’ve all been broken
lilac stag
Which macros do u mean?
!guide these will be helpful.
lilac pendant
the actual scale of pawn has haste very low so i guess i will just pump the value
tribal blade
pawn is a super outdated thing
tribal blade
we were using pawn like 10 years ago
tawdry sorrel
Thank u guys
tribal blade
raidbots is much better
potent mortar
Thank u guys
Np
lilac stag
At this point it’s all ilvl. get 700 haste at 90
lilac pendant
gets told not to use it. forces it to do something.
lilac stag
we were using pawn like 10 years ago
My guy 2009 is a little more than 10 years ago. 
tribal blade
My guy 2009 is a little more than 10 years ago. <:dead:932888396316155934>
oh was it longer than that haha
i vaguely remember using it during legion but i might be mixing up addons
lilac stag
You were running it locally
tribal blade
might have been the thing for artifact traits
lilac stag
I think shadowpanther stopped around 2012-13 and that was kinda the last of the formals for rogue gearing
limpid sage
My guy 2009 is a little more than 10 years ago. <:dead:932888396316155934>
it's crazy how legion release was 10 years ago
lilac pendant
I think shadowpanther stopped around 2012-13 and that was kinda the last of the ...
cap
Has even for SoD
lilac stag
The original dingus. Not the classic revisit for the site.
bring back thottbot while we’re at it
lilac stag
it's crazy how legion release was 10 years ago
10 year anniversary of the death of smoke bomb. RIP smoke bomb.
barren wolf
is crafted dagger bis forever and ever?
fleet acorn
if i were to pick 4 mates for m0 run ? would be best to be only leather =? Or all 5 leather?
tribal blade
if i were to pick 4 mates for m0 run ? would be best to be only leather =? Or al...
all 5 leather would be far superior
barren wolf
theoretically yea realistically it doesnt matter mate its m0 gear
fleet acorn
yea just thinking with randoms people will not trade gear and hold onto it for maybe switch items
tribal blade
that becomes a question of randoms vs friends
and in that case friends is far superior 😉
keen dome
I can't believe he's calling me out like this
tribal blade
I can't believe he's calling me out like this
what a dick
also can we teach valeera how to rogue properly
this bitch has autos as her top overall
unacceptable
marble sierra
i find the best use of valeera is putting her to healer and using perma tricks on her
better tank that way
tribal blade
some poor vulpera warrior i think just accidently charged me in the slayer pvp area
and i absolutely dominated him
this version of sub feels really good in pvp holy shit
fleet wharf
also can we teach valeera how to rogue properly
how about we just learn to properly poison from her? I want that poison effect she's giving
tribal blade
how about we just learn to properly poison from her? I want that poison effect s...
yeah that would be dope
bold crane
Hello, good people. Got back to wow after a break(from the mid DF to now). I'd appreciate any new tips/tricks, addons, I've noticed that I see very small debuffs on the target. Is there an option to make them bigger on the new UI(that I've missed) or do I need an addon
fleet wharf
What level are you looking to play at?
and how much patience do you have with addons and stuff
potent tusk
hello, what craft do we have to do?
bold crane
What level are you looking to play at?
Well, I work, so I have limited time, an hour or 2 every evening and free sunday
Does this help?
bold crane
and how much patience do you have with addons and stuff
a fair amount, if that will improve my quality of life
I'm not looking to be progressing mythic raids or somthing(been there, done that, it sucked the life out of me)
I plan to play mythings, some raids, pvp
but leaning on the casual side of things
fleet wharf
Sure, so the new rule is that addons can't give you more power than not having it, so you technically don't need to tinker with it. However, I do think there is a lot of QOL to be unlocked from being able to customize it. I'd give Arcui a shot for customizing what information you show yourself first
if that's too much, try Better CDM
But sub basically doesn't have any debuff that needs to be actively tracked unless you're looking to sweat out that extra ,1%
bold crane
I saw that the new UI have some CD tracker, dmg mater, are they working properly
I know there were some issues with the damage meter
fleet wharf
yup, and blizz's goal is for you to be able to do all content with just that
if you don't like the way it looks, I'd go arcui if you like tinkering with stuff. if that's too much, do bcdm
bold crane
nice, thanks
fleet wharf
the damage meter lost a lot of its functionality. For now, I wouldn't worry about it too much
stiff stirrup
is there a way to track first dance in cooldown manager?
alpine wraith
you might need an aura
raven blaze
is there a list of rares that drop daggers?
crystal atlas
We only get 1 spark this week right so csn craft weapon next week?
barren karma
2
bold crane
for the slow ones that missed 2 expansions, how to get those sparks? They were for upgrading gear right?
barren karma
renown neck we take crit haste right ?
bold crane
is there an efficient way to farm Voidlight Marl? I'm still leveling and I have barely any... ? Am I missing something here
tepid trellis
for the slow ones that missed 2 expansions, how to get those sparks? They were f...
its for crafting gear
tribal blade
renown neck we take crit haste right ?
depends on your haste levels, most likely yes
fleet wharf
is there an efficient way to farm Voidlight Marl? I'm still leveling and I have ...
playing more will give you more. Once you clear the main story, re-doing quests with alts will give you marls, there are world quests taht give them too
fleet wharf
for the slow ones that missed 2 expansions, how to get those sparks? They were f...
once you hit 90, there are quests that will give you sparks. Don't worry about not getting to them on time. You can earn them from any quests that's not the current week. i.e. if 3 are available, and you have 0, you can earn 2 from any quest, but the most current one, you'll need to earn from doing the specific weekly quest
bold crane
gotcha. I forgot so many things. Thanks for the explanation tho
fleet wharf
no prob, hope you enjoy the expansion
bold crane
playing more will give you more. Once you clear the main story, re-doing quests ...
that will do it. I mostly need it for my professions recipes...
I have a couple of 70lvl alts to level up... hope that will be fast
fleet wharf
Yea, leveling has gotten a lot easier in general, and if you didn't know, once you hit max level, the first 5 give a stacking 5% more exp gained for alts buff
bold crane
damn that's nice. So in theory it should take a couple of hours to level up an alt from 70 to 90? and even less from 80 to 90
tepid trellis
takes like 4-5 hours to do 80-90
fleet wharf
It will get faster both because you are becoming more familiar with the quest chains and the map, but also the exp boost. I have found that leveling this expansion is a tad bit longer than the last one, so not that fast, but still pretty fast
tepid trellis
depending on the strat used
first character is ofc kinda long af
if you are doing campaign
faint helm
Is crimson vial the only wau to heal next to potions mid fight? (started midnight as a fresh sub rogue, so got a lot of dumb questions)
tepid trellis
depends on your haste levels, most likely yes
split rat ready
tribal blade
split rat ready
HELL yeah
tepid trellis
doing my m0 splits tonight
tepid trellis
my rogue is the same ilvl as this one
tribal blade
my main is 235
tepid trellis
doing m0 in like 7 hours
tribal blade
hope you get a dagger unlike me haha
i got this which is kinda chunky but the light spawns in annoying places sometimes
strong light
is the voidstorm trinket bad? it sims always worse then nearly everything elese even on below 230 ilvl
dry plank
guys what neck you choose? with haste?
strong light
guys what neck you choose? with haste?
haste until around 18%
onyx trail
so are we making dagger now already. Or waiting until higher Ilvl crests are out?
Does it matter with recraft system
tepid trellis
is the voidstorm trinket bad? it sims always worse then nearly everything elese...
doesent work in sims last i checked
hollow spear
so are we making dagger now already. Or waiting until higher Ilvl crests are out...
It's probably not "optimal", but shouldn't matter if you aren't HoF raiding
mighty hamlet
Do we macro Shadow Dance Shadow Blades and Secret Tech together?
hazy breach
You can, but if you have a trinket or on-use racial that increases haste then it's not good
Better to just have a bind for blades + your regular sectech+dance macro
The reason why is because deepening shadows takes a few milliseconds to update, so if you macro you don't benefit from a longer dance from the things you're using at the same time
misty dome
should i be getting both dances back by the time i get shadow blades back? i'm finding that it seems to line up more consistently/better with every other shadow blades, but i might just be misplaying in actual fights
hollow spear
If you don't have two dances during blades, you're basically inting
grand galleon
can you only get 2 veteran items from Hunts? I did third hunt and got only green bag
mighty hamlet
yes
God I wish I didn't have severe ADHD.. reading guides does NOT work for me lol
They simplified rogue immensely and I'm still struggling to grasp
misty dome
@hollow spear walk me through this then, because by the time blades comes back i either have to hold it and sectech for a few seconds to get the second dance cd low enough that i can fire it to overlap the end of the blades, or i can only squeeze in like 2 or 3 seconds of the dance in during the end of blades
if you don't mind i mean
mighty hamlet
Cooldown Management: The vast majority of damage is bound to cooldowns, offering Subtlety the unique opportunity to stack them. All cooldowns are aligned to Secret Technique, which means we only use Shadow Dance when the spell is ready. Our major cooldown Shadow Blades is used alongside Shadow Dance when possible, and a second instance of Shadow Dance is typically used right after the first ended (the second cast won't have Secret Technique ready). Cooldowns don't line up well naturally, which often means we delay both Shadow Blades and Shadow Dance slightly when Shadow Blades is about to come off cooldown.
That last sentence is what you're looking for, I believe
misty dome
that is exactly what i'm looking for
i mean nothing is really living long enough for a second blades in practice
i just decided to hit a training dummy and noticed that last sentence exactly: cds not lining up naturally
crystal atlas
Where all can we get sparks from ?
misty dome
midnight world tour and the weekly
mighty hamlet
World Tour quest and Weekly quest in Silvermoon
and if you play your cards right, there might just be a spark between you and me.
misty dome
man i got screwed on drops this week, got like 4 trinkets and 3 cloaks so far from mythics and my hunts
misty dome
and if you play your cards right, there might just be a spark between you and me...
don't threaten me with a good time
fathom adder
is the aoe blind fixed or am i just unlucky
ornate lake
Guys how is sub tuned on live currently compared to assa?
Good? Bad? Unplayable?
misty dome
sin felt undertuned to me, sub feels... ok
alpine wraith
aoe blind is gone yea
ornate lake
is the aoe blind fixed or am i just unlucky
They removed AoE blind i think
fathom adder
sad
ornate lake
Too much CCs in the game tbh
crystal atlas
Hmmm I did both quests and only got 1 spark
rain stratus
Is there a weekly housing quest that reward crests?
misty dome
both feel fun, but i don't feel like we're doing enough damage to justify our lack of utility in sub rn
mighty hamlet
Did you bank it maybe?
misty dome
@rain stratus not yet
fathom adder
was sure they had baked it in the normal blind and its just a wording mistake
but oh well
mighty hamlet
Is there a place I can buy catch up gear? My ilvl is 90 cause I havent played a rogue in like a year and a half
hollow spear
Man, them removing aoe blind kinda makes me sad
dry flame
is there a specific rep we wanna focus on for early prog? Just not sure what to pick for the dungeon quest reward
misty dome
you'll be fine at 90 jumping in i think
misty dome
is there a specific rep we wanna focus on for early prog? Just not sure what to ...
singularity to 7 for a champion (246) trinket, silvermoon court to 9 for a helm
hara'ti for a belt but i dunno what rank, i think 8 or 9
mighty hamlet
yeah if you do the quests and get each rep to 8 or 9 you get 4 epics
dry flame
singularity to 7 for a champion (246) trinket, silvermoon court to 9 for a helm
already replaced the trinket from M0, nothing past that?
mighty hamlet
dont think so
pliant glade
dry flame
dont think so
alright, tyvm 🙂
mighty hamlet
Also there is a sneaky little trick to farming a couple thousand extra rep for Hara'ti each week
misty dome
i'm listening
mighty hamlet
The legend quest weekly gives 1000 rep. If you choose a different legend than one you've already completed it also grants the rep cause technically it's a different quest
So if you have alts, you can do multiple
misty dome
you beautiful bastard
dry flame
mighty hamlet
I'm working on my 3rd and 4th 90 currently cause I'm a fucking loser 😄
mighty hamlet
I wish someone would find a fast way to level alts that wasn't "Do all the delves", level to 88, turn in the quests
lol like I dont want to level to 88
misty dome
81-83 go really fast at least
so it's only really 5 levels of slog instead of 10
but i hear you
remote rapids
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
mighty hamlet
So 1-2 targets is normal rotation, 3+ is SS and BP, while throwing out a Coup when it's up?
upper narwhal
233 dagger from prey now all to do is m0s
mighty hamlet
Son of a bitch
alpine wraith
So 1-2 targets is normal rotation, 3+ is SS and BP, while throwing out a Coup wh...
most of the time yea
dry flame
Even with leather stack, only got to 233 and lots of dup slots
mighty hamlet
Does anyone elses tmog look like a 13 year old from 2005 designed it?
wintry heart
Does anyone elses tmog look like a 13 year old from 2005 designed it?
I mostly wear old mogs so probably
short radish
Does anyone elses tmog look like a 13 year old from 2005 designed it?
if you're using t2 xmog?
then yes
mighty hamlet
way worse than t2
I'm using blackened defias with a defias mask
and a spikey mohawk of course
Is there a superior horde race for rogues? I love how bad ass my dude looks but I'm wondering if I should be like belf for torrent or something
short radish
Even with leather stack, only got to 233 and lots of dup slots
im 7/8 m0s done in leather stack
short radish
I'm using blackened defias with a defias mask
this is very 13 year old 2005esque
dry flame
guess it can be worse 😅
short radish
but not as cringe as t2
short radish
(i'm using t1 🙂
left ledge
thats wild
short radish
thats wild
nothing better has dropped
left ledge
i think you can literally just buy 201+ gloves off ah
short radish
i could
mighty hamlet
this is very 13 year old 2005esque
I call it 'Prepubescent Chic'
left ledge
also been a few WQ that drop gloves
short radish
i havent seen any
left ledge
they drop at like 224
mighty hamlet
short radish
when i was at work
mighty hamlet
I think Mag'har Orc is literally the worst choice for Rogue on horde lmao
swift tinsel
I'm at 10% rn and I can feel it lol
tribal blade
i know i'm gonna get 0 haste pieces from keys
swift tinsel
tho it was super fun blasting m0's last night
less so bc of the frost mage in group but still lol
short radish
almost every piece i'm getting is haste
look at this beauty
socket AND speed
too bad shit stats 
short radish
yeah will hold onto it
tribal blade
i've been degening a bit so i'm 235 atm
misty dome
out of curiosity, has anyone done a single target sim and have recent numbers they dont' mind sharing?
swift tinsel
I still need to get the renown champ gears
misty dome
i've been degening a bit so i'm 235 atm
i got 7 pieces of overlap today; only ended up getting upgrades in like 4 slots
swift tinsel
have the trinket but that's it, was degen grinding professions all EA
plush roost
my current rogue after m0
tribal blade
i got 7 pieces of overlap today; only ended up getting upgrades in like 4 slots
damn sad
mighty hamlet
I assume Haranir can be rogues, right?
sacred yarrow
everything can be rogues and mages
misty dome
my current rogue after m0
dang, i'm simming 7k lower than you on ST at 231
same talents
plush roost
dang, i'm simming 7k lower than you on ST at 231
u flick on all patchwerk options?
misty dome
default sim options
plush roost
youre playing planned execution and finality
misty dome
oh might be an old sim, i was moving talents around
plush roost
no veiltouched either
misty dome
they barely impacted my sim though, like +/- 600ish
just stole your talent build, which was just those two things you mentioned in the swap: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2VRVWHiA7SeH3zt7aYoNbk
alpine wraith
you dont have enchants or embellish
misty dome
i mean the haste is a big deal, you have longer dances but that's still pretty considerable, almost a 20% gap
ahh yeah i have a crafting order out
alpine wraith
i didnt look super well tbh
i mean at this lvl of gearing it is whatever we will replace everything fast
plush roost
you dont have enchants or embellish
me either and hes still 6 behind
misty dome
but my guild went to sleep so waiting on that
plush roost
6k
misty dome
what's your haste % in game?
misty dome
i've been using the highest ilvl and targeting haste when possible but this is the best i've gotten
graceful osprey
Looking at the wowhead guide, is vers that bad of a stat for us now?
plush roost
oh lmao
alpine wraith
detective dino
misty dome
damn
i dont' think i would have ever looked at that
good catch
i don't even see where to configure that in raidbots haha
alpine wraith
might need to change to nightly or latest
misty dome
that's a crazy catch haha
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7QSgQrquLTRu4eKDa8ohgK that feels better
hollow spear
He toggled the secret sandbagging option that our tc implemented to get buffs
short radish
brisk onyx
plush roost
the oil is better anyway
plush roost
20 crit/haste
misty dome
is there a bubbling wax equivalent for midnight? i kinda liked that in tww
plush roost
is there a bubbling wax equivalent for midnight? i kinda liked that in tww
ur not gonna believe this...
barren wolf
i will
misty dome
i know it still works
but like the weighted boomstick is 2 or 3x the damage for guns so i gotta believe there's something for us too
misty dome
that's less fun than pickpocketing it
manic ice
so im trying to understand the logic beheind the ShadowDance window. when we have full CP+Apex proc, we want to use Evic to consume the proc, and IF we have 5 shadow technique stacks ready, we would then shadowstrike, at max CP in order to generate another Apex proc.
But if after the first Evisc we are betwen 1-4 shadow technique stacks, we would then just double evisc to consume out CPs.
so we have to activly monitor the stacks and a quick decision during the GCD
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
Note: Only up to 3 targets.
proper eagle
We don't evis on opener now? Not turning on SnD?
fathom adder
=5 stacks and no glow inside dance ? strike then finish
hazy breach
We don't evis on opener now? Not turning on SnD?
It turns on later anyway, its fine to just send
proper eagle
Cooooool. But I don't know why simc SS twice inside SB though.
hazy breach
It rarely does, but its because of thing posted literally above
misty dome
ok now that i figured out my sim issues, i'm slightly less disappointed, but still disappointed at how much more damage other classes are doing... guild devasation evoker is doing 56.6k ST vs my 40.7k
only 40% more
swift tinsel
gear is also quite across the board atm
hazy breach
Well yeah blizzard decided that they werent gonna tune the game until 17th
swift tinsel
and ye, no tuning for a few weeks
hazy breach
But sims != actual dps
Because not every fight is 4-6 minutes of standing on a dummy with no mechanics
misty dome
fair, but she's a good player, given players of equal skill and class understanding, that baseline dps is a big factor
hazy breach
And every class differs in what makes their numbers deviate from that
swift tinsel
^
misty dome
and melee is punishing right now, so many puddles and stomps and stuff
limpid sage
Because not every fight is 4-6 minutes of standing on a dummy with no mechanics
you underestimate my ability to ignore mechanics
swift tinsel
yeah that's what cheat is for
quick marlin
are we talking about sims in m0 week 3 weeks before tuning
misty dome
i dunno our mages sims, but he regularly beats me by a healthy margin but he gets the benefit of being able to stand still and tunnel a lot more than i feel like i do
swift tinsel
mages are very strong
misty dome
touche 🙂
swift tinsel
more news at 11
misty dome
are we talking about sims in m0 week 3 weeks before tuning
i mean talking about, yes, not like obsessing over
obsessing comes later, when i try to go to sleep
quick marlin
true
swift tinsel
idk I wouldn't put too much stock in current gear/sims stuff
misty dome
i'm not too worried, i'm not jumping ship. i love rogue and stick with it through good and bad times
just... fewer good than bad last few expansions it felt like
like, for a pure dps class with very little utility (don't get me started on h ow worthless and fickle stealth has become, so shroud is almost useless), we shouldn't be middling on damage
proper eagle
For trigger AA, shadow strike twice but can't follow AA on CDM wut
misty dome
i'm not gonna put a number on it, but if you bring utility in other ways, like off healing or other utility, you shouldn't do more damage as well
hazy breach
For trigger AA, shadow strike twice but can't follow AA on CDM wut
!apex
wicked joltBOT
You cannot track the apex talents Ancient Arts through the cooldown manager. However they do show up via the ingame like THIS. If you cannot see them you must go
into your settings and increase your Spell Alert Opacity
misty dome
haha i actually like the way that stops on the first line, "then you must go"
proper eagle
I should check out my setting
misty dome
"just go... anywhere but here. go away"
lilac stag
Rogue being just good in TWW is certainly a take
misty dome
we were middling in TWW at best imo
lilac stag
maybe you were
misty dome
i did skip s3 though so if we had some kind of resurgence then i missed it
lilac stag
Assa was m+ melee meta in s1
Sub was cracked in s2s3 raid
rogue is never going to be popular play rate combated to Hunter ret etc
hazy breach
Definitely wasnt cracked in s2 raid
misty dome
i don't play rogue because it's popular
lilac stag
Early prog it was
hazy breach
But outlaw was doing good in s2 keys, and s1 & s3 raid rogue was very good
barren wolf
Definitely wasnt cracked in s2 raid
which guide would you recommend, also build for m0?
barren wolf
ww has a word
hazy breach
Thats not sub
lilac stag
ww has a word
Assa going through walls. Kekw
Team China over here saying rogue was mid in TWW
just not the case
barren wolf
ofc
hazy breach
which guide would you recommend, also build for m0?
My guide because everyone else is stinky doodoo and im the best
barren wolf
but there was a reason a assa otp(me) played ww that season
lilac stag
My guide because everyone else is stinky doodoo and im the best
The m+ build. Just drop quicker shiv for iron lung
graceful osprey
Am I blind or does the standard blizzard buff tracker not track ancient arts?
hazy breach
!apex
wicked joltBOT
You cannot track the apex talents Ancient Arts through the cooldown manager. However they do show up via the ingame like THIS. If you cannot see them you must go
into your settings and increase your Spell Alert Opacity
graceful osprey
Noted
lilac stag
but there was a reason a assa otp(me) played ww that season
Raid needed the debuff eh?
barren wolf
we had like 3 monks
proper eagle
Do you guys store Shadow Technique before every SD+ST?
I do but simc don't. Simc just spend Shadow Technique simply
swift tinsel
I do for a couple seconds before dance
but you don't really have to bc sectech gives a bunch
lilac stag
we had like 3 monks
guess you’re not a true otp. Turn in your red name
charred pawn
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
barren wolf
guess you’re not a true otp. Turn in your red name
yes im a loser nowadays
vale hull
Hello, why do we pick warning signs for mythic +? isnt 10% crit damage on finisher better for aoe
swift tinsel
the autoattack speed means more ShT stacks
keen dome
faster stab more gooder
barren wolf
cause more damage
swift tinsel
BP machine gun
barren wolf
your welcome
vale hull
on papper or practical?
swift tinsel
holy based
keen dome
so if you dont have dmg meters you can use whatever you want
deathstalker...
barren wolf
whats a deathstalker
keen dome
It's a small mark that will sometimes decide to leave.
And never return, taking the damage with it.
barren wolf
a nightmare
hearty mural
is there any strat to using ancient buff? or just use when its up
swift tinsel
yesnt
keen dome
I actually still had it set to planned execution but warning signs makes so much more sense
vale hull
i guess it depends of critical rating we have?
placid crown
Hi. Why does it say in the guide that for raiding, if there are 2 rogues, one should take the numbing poison ? I thought that atrophic poison can cumulate
hearty mural
means yes and no
ok i get you..try to pair it with sd or coup if it makes sense
swift tinsel
you can play with it normally or you can optimize in 1-3 targets
hearty mural
ok thx
hearty mural
alright ty
swift tinsel
!aa
wicked joltBOT
Apex talent optimization (Trickster):
- Is shadow dance up? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Do you have 5 or more stacks of shadow techniques? - :ballot_box_with_check: Yes
- Is ancient arts up? - :x: No
Use Shadowstrike (even if on full cp).
Note: Only up to 3 targets.
swift tinsel
you can follow this lil flow chart to force the buff if you don't have it
smoky gorge
hey, is doing a macro "cancel aura shadow dance cast invis" is a thing ?
swift tinsel
smoky gorge
thx
hearty mural
!ui
high birch
Why would peeps want to cancel the aura going into Stealth?
old spindle
anything against sub being Dagger/Axe? what is our incentive to be Dagger/Dagger?
swift tinsel
Why would peeps want to cancel the aura going into Stealth?
you can't stealth while Dance is active
!oh
wicked joltBOT
Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.
hazy breach
You lose around 10% of your combo points and energy regen by using a nondagger
old spindle
so fine to use a nondagger until i loot anotehr dagger? 🤔
swift tinsel
can probs just buy one on the ah
old spindle
or would it be better to even buy a 214 dagger JUST to make sure i have one
swift tinsel
offhand dps is whatever
old spindle
ty kindly folks ❤️
grand galleon
why are there so many 80 level chars still in dornogal standing, doing nothing? forgotten bots?
full bobcat
are we crafting today?
tropic pier
Is there a list of which trinkets are implemented vs not implemented in simc yet?
im trying to compare trinkets and the 246 one and some world trinkets look like they are severly undersimming
hazy breach
All the trinkets thats available at reasonable ilvl during the season are implemented
The others are sometimes, sometimes not
alpine wraith
yea keep in mind the singularity trink will be replaced by hero track M+ ones
old spindle
i replaced that with 233 trinkets 😄
lilac stag
are we crafting today?
be your own decider.
crystal bone
are we crafting today?
i believe nothing wrong with crafting this week, u can always upgrade it later with myth crest
i think mats are just extra expensive right now as i've heard some mats have bugged drop rates
i think something in skinning, not sure what else
lilac stag
the dagger mats are as expected
swift tinsel
those Petrified Roots were dropping like mad in m0's last night which will help crafting costs for a lot of things
lilac stag
anything that needs petrified root, or the epic skins (prof tools) are very expensive due to low drop rates
swift tinsel
was getting 5-6 at a pop
lilac stag
they dipped to 3800 and then shot back up to 5k
swift tinsel
ofc
I'm sure people jumped all over them once the price dropped
scooped up as many as possible
lilac stag
prey is the only other way to get them afaik
swift tinsel
once +8 delves open up that'll be another avenue
yeah just prey and m0 atm
and with the weekly lockout they'll dry up once people are done speedrunning them
I'm gonna be running all the +8's on three diff toons onces they open for mats lol
already got my alchemy army stockpiling potions and flasks
grave parcel
259 highest we can craft? An is it haste/mastery on the weapon?
lilac stag
259 is highest.
swift tinsel
yes, and probs haste/mastery or haste/crit
lilac stag
Haste mastery safest bet
lilac stag
Hunt embellish
crystal atlas
Sorry if someone answered this for me earlier. How do you get both sparks for crafting?
swift tinsel
gonna grind rep for the champ pieces
grave parcel
Ty ty
crystal bone
was getting 5-6 at a pop
what the, i dont think i saw any in my m0 world tour
swift tinsel
Sorry if someone answered this for me earlier. How do you get both sparks for cr...
One from the Midnight world tour
and I think the other was from the weekly activity choice quest
lilac stag
gonna grind rep for the champ pieces
I’ve got 1.5 levels of haranar left and 1 left for the smithing and engineeer 10 skills buy
swift tinsel
what the, i dont think i saw any in my m0 world tour
yeah we did a guild group of 4 of them last night and at least one of us got 5-6 of them per dungeon completion
swift tinsel
I’ve got 1.5 levels of haranar left and 1 left for the smithing and engineeer 10...
I've been really slacking on renown besides the trinket one, was tunnelling professions lol
think I'm at least rank 7 with all of them though so not too much work
made ~500k profit though from EA stuff
including the 2-300k I spent leveling profs
crystal bone
think I'm at least rank 7 with all of them though so not too much work
the telescopes and books were huge rep
at least a level per zone
swift tinsel
oh good comms
crystal bone
250 per book and 100 per telescope