subtlety

[radiant swift]

if stec is so strong that would prob go crazy

[swift tinsel]

I mean ideally apex would affect the shadow damage portions

but they're attributed to Akaari (the og clones) so things get weird with that often

[radiant swift]

yeah it says here the 50% does not get accounted for the shadow clones

[hazy breach]

But that would probably entail that you'd always want apex on them, which would prob end up being even more annoying

[swift tinsel]

ye

very much so

same if DN affected sectech

[radiant swift]

true

[full bobcat]

but that alert will warn us that the next finisher will consume ancient arts proc, right? And that means that the same finisher will be stronger than the next or it's the other way around?

[swift tinsel]

the alert means your next finisher will spawn clone

[north schooner]

fire the person who didn't make it purpol

[swift tinsel]

honestly valid point

its black smudgy smoke

the finisher itself won't be stronger per se tho

[full bobcat]

so, to get it right, it's our cue to send a finisher right? sorry but I still don't get the part when we use a double generator

[swift tinsel]

yeah, you'd send a finisher then and that finisher will spawn a clone attack and pull your ShT stacks to refill your cp bar

so then what you can do is use a builder with full cp to force-proc apex again if you have 5+ ShT stacks after using that builder

so you'd build-finish-build-finish

which is a minor optimization over build-finish-finish

[full bobcat]

oh okay, so "the plan" is to send finishers with the apex proc, not consume that "free finisher"

[swift tinsel]

essentially

[full bobcat]

nice

[swift tinsel]

its ~0.5%+ to do so

so not gonna break the game to do it vs not

but its something to play around if you so choose

[full bobcat]

thanks for the explanation

[swift tinsel]

if you can force procs onto BP in aoe you'd like to bc BP hits really fucking hard

np, apex is worded a bit oddly but once you see it in action and play with it a bit it makes way more sense

[tidal blade]

oh wow thanks haptics I just now understood that optimization

[swift tinsel]

🫡

[acoustic lodge]

Looks like Sub is meta

let's goooo

[plush roost]

In my experience its actually kinda bad to do in aoe. Apex bp hits a lot less than normal bp

[swift tinsel]

that's quite surprising

[warm marlin]

it is indeed only something to really do in st

[tidal blade]

so you just spamming double Bp in aoe

[swift tinsel]

ig you're getting more bp's out

[warm marlin]

storm bp bp repeat until mob die

[swift tinsel]

which makes sense

[full bobcat]

is it a really big difference?

[warm marlin]

its only 0.5% in st so no

[graceful crown]

[plush roost]

Not just that, apex bp just doesnt really hit that hard

[upbeat garden]

No tuning boys, rogue is fine

[radiant swift]

how

[plush roost]

It just does idk

[radiant swift]

its 50% on the next BP how in the hell is it hitting less

[plush roost]

As opposed to just pressing powder twice

Its just less

[radiant swift]

can this spec get fixed or smth

coup sound still bis tho

[swift tinsel]

Oof, didn’t realize there was that much disparity

[plush roost]

Why go storm apexpowder storm apexpowder storm apexpowder when u can go storm apexpowder powder storm apexpowder powder

[swift tinsel]

Hits about as hard as the BP SF

[plush roost]

Yeah our crits are just insane btw

No finality

Xd?

[swift tinsel]

Yesus

Color me crit-pilled

[plush roost]

I tried crit feather over mastery feather trinket and its still just mastery to the moon in aoe

[swift tinsel]

Potent powder zoom zoom?

[hazy breach]

Yeah idk why theyre doing like 50%

And not like 85% of the phys hit

[astral axle]

i mean with apex we basically get extra value from crit right?

since they can crit independently

[hazy breach]

Because on dummies its completely fine

[swift tinsel]

That’s even weirder

[spare quiver]

best spec for midnight?

[swift tinsel]

The friends you made along the way

[cursive vapor]

yes

[swift tinsel]

(There is no correct answer)

[graceful crown]

yes

[spare quiver]

no logs yet?

[swift tinsel]

Active tuning will be happening for the next like month+

They could drop a tuning bomb on us tomorrow

And the next day

And the next day

[spare quiver]

lol

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/and-the-next-day-gif-26740889

[cursive vapor]

just use this 🔮

[plush roost]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/no-class-tuning-planned-until-march-17th-what-to-expect-for-class-tuning-in-380495?utm_source=discord-webhook

[cursive vapor]

was about to post the same lol

[plush roost]

Erm...^

[astral axle]

[swift tinsel]

Hey I haven’t been on wowhead in at least 20 mins no fair

[plush roost]

That is certainly a choice

Demo 155k st sim btw

Btw.

[astral axle]

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that’s certainly an interesting design decision

[graceful crown]

: -D

[astral axle]

bearge

[slender kraken]

Could be worse we could be a ret with no discord

[swift tinsel]

Gonna have to really get on those leveling logs

[slender kraken]

Is it time delete the discord 😂

[swift tinsel]

Provide plenty of data for them to use

[swift tinsel]

We’d never stoop to their level and go that unbelievably cringe

Even when sub was close to the bottom and every spec around us received buffs

[lilac stag]

We just talked kpop and rose at that point.

all 5 of us.

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/rose-apt-rosé-hey-hello-gif-14093735200478463401

[sullen hare]

mods I *need* this emote in this server

just get rid of an outlaw one they don't use emotes that matter

[lilac stag]

If you touch sub during heroic week we’re going to send uncle Dominic an Uncle Tony to pay you a visit involving your fingers and a hammer.

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-chris-gif-6597884416007028334

[plush roost]

Nono you want me to play sub on heroic weke

The ultimate sandbag

All the sub rogues are planning it

[tepid trellis]

Ill tell hawwk to kill you with mechanics

[plush roost]

Hawwk isnt raiding this tier

I took him out back

[tepid trellis]

Gak

[hazy breach]

The coup apex cleave thing seems to be live btw

They somehow seemed to have not fucked it up

[plush roost]

On ze beeta?

[lilac stag]

I don’t think you know how to

[tepid trellis]

Where do you have access to apex talents charrend

[swift tinsel]

Play sub with outlaw weapons

I dare

[lilac stag]

Play sub without taking apex

[astral axle]

lol if mods wanna add it (y tho?) just dm me and i'll send you the bigger version i made

[hazy breach]

Ye

[astral axle]

bro i just realized... what if my clones out dps me

[plush roost]

Bro yknow, im eepy mb

[tulip light]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/no-class-tuning-planned-until-march-17th-what-to-expect-for-class-tuning-in-380495

[astral axle]

or what if my clones have the hellish scenario where they have my memories and are spawned in the world only to die 2 seconds later. how do i know im not the clone

[swift tinsel]

There was a Naruto episode about that

[lilac stag]

Nice repost

[swift tinsel]

Something to keep in mind

[warm marlin]

Ask akaari

Lots of experience

[tidal marsh]

I can't believe there is still a full fucking month until M+

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[swift tinsel]

Akaari could use some alone time

Sort out some personal issues

[lilac stag]

Good. Fuck m+

[tidal marsh]

No

Fuck you

Sorry, voices

[lilac stag]

Waste of time content just to fill vault

[swift tinsel]

I just use them for vault and to hang out with the guild members I like outside raid lol

[astral axle]

im a fan of wasting time 😌 🪷

[sullen hare]

I'm a big fan of stxdd

[slender kraken]

Only good thing no tier list for 2 weeks

[swift tinsel]

I don’t mind m+ that much until our RL starts telling us we have to fill vault slots

[vestal escarp]

Freak Technique

[swift tinsel]

Some complex ig

[keen dome]

It's very important because I need to post in trade chat, telling people about the cat café.

[tidal marsh]

Bro acting as if WoW isn't a waste of time in general

[tidal marsh]

do not the cat

[keen dome]

I think I can factually talk about if WoW is or isn't a waste of time.

[lilac stag]

Raiding 2 nights is the perfect waste of time. Everything else around it is pain.

[astral axle]

as i get older my belly gets bigger. i call that a waist of time

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[tidal marsh]

Ah shit, I'm going up from 2 going into Midnight

[soft summit]

If i'm playing Deathstalker with Darkest night... are we using it in large packs now or still just BPing?

[lilac stag]

play trickster.

[soft summit]

hard no on that one lol

[hazy breach]

You would use darkest night yes

[soft summit]

ty

[brave raptor]

Poor Arms players

[fallow nimbus]

Dude actively wants to play deathstalker. What a madman

[short radish]

can only afford asbestos

[torn tide]

mann wheres our ST buff

[soft summit]

Master Fuu on wowhead said deathstalker is bis for most content except cleave. Why wouldnt i play it?

[plush roost]

If u mean on prepatch ye

It will be quite a bit worse in 4 days

But ye if ur talkin prepatch ds is gud, use DN even in aoe

Have fun 8)

[lilac stag]

Trickster is better at everything except ST, where it’s dead even.

And your not dealing with mark, which is 100% a win

but if that makes you happy, enjoy! we will support (and laugh at) you xd

[torn tide]

is rogue getting a nerf today?

[plush roost]

Nop trickster just gets better with apex

[lethal pasture]

is it ever worth delaying sectec for coup if its up?

[short radish]

sectech > coup

[olive canyon]

On opener, is it always correc to double dance and double sectec if haste allows? also, generally outside of blades - you dance when you have a sectec up and use it in dance but what is the rule about using a dance charge with Sectec off CD if say shadowblades is coming up in 15s?

[lilac stag]

You’ll only get 2x charged Sectech with lust.

You’re holding a dance to cover full duration of sblades

[olive canyon]

Ah so you can spend the charges in between Sblades - you just want to ensure you have one charge up for Sblades

[lilac stag]

you need enough dance charges to cover all of sblades. That will depend on your haste & number of gcds you can cast in dance.

[olive canyon]

Ah sorry, i misunderstood.

Thank you

[lilac stag]

If dance covers say 8 seconds. and you fire that charge off with 15 seconds cd left on 2nd charge you won’t cover all of blades

[spare quiver]

its easy to play rogue this expasion?

[hazy breach]

Its significantly easier than in the war within for sure

[west tide]

i cant wait to play sub on thursday ❤️

another expansion with my rogue besties

[uneven scarab]

[unreal musk]

does this mean i backstab until i have less than 5 sectech stacks?

[hazy breach]

What does the image you linked have to do with backstab

[short radish]

stockholm syndrome

we cant escape backstab in dance

it's living rent free in our heads

[unreal musk]

sorry shadow strike lol

[hazy breach]

I still have no idea what you mean

[unreal musk]

well it says to use shadowstrike above 5 stacks of sectech to trigger rank 3 Ancient Art talent right? or i am misunderstanding

[hazy breach]

Yes

Or well, shadow techniques

Not secret technique

[unreal musk]

so like lets say i have 14 stacks of Shadow Techniques, i Shadowstrike and im still above 5 stacks of Shadow Techniques, do i use Shadowstrike again or Eviscerate?

yess shadow techniques sry

[hazy breach]

Well then you have the apex

So you wouldnt need to trigger the apex

[still vector]

noob question but why wouldn't my backstab turn into shadow blades if I use SS?

this is in regards to M+

[unreal musk]

Ok, but in what scenario you wouldn't press Shadow Strike before Eviscerate then? (i feel like im missing smt)

[hazy breach]

If you have the apex active

Or if you don't have 5 stacks of sht

[sullen hare]

I honestly do feel bad for arms though jesus

[hazy breach]

You probably got some spell names mixed up

But backstab does not turn into shadowstrike if that's what you are asking

[still vector]

I had my backstab instead of shadow strike on my stealth bar

thats what happened lol

[sullen hare]

that'll do it

[unreal musk]

mhmm i think i get it, def gonna have to play around it to understand 100%

thank you tho

[normal harbor]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[normal harbor]

!plater

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach if you're on your last global in dance with full CP and 5 sht do you still strike to proc apex

[plush roost]

No

[tribal blade]

ty king

[bleak night]

np

[plush roost]

In m+ with potent powder i use that global to bp

[bleak night]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nuh-uh-cat-3

[plush roost]

Since bp + lash > normal evis

Only with potent tho

[tribal blade]

ooooo

[tribal blade]

does it make a diff doing 1st global or last

sorry not 1st global

any other global that isn't sectec or coup

doing this apex minmax makes ST breakdown look like playing DS with all that evis dmg

[plush roost]

No, an evis does about 50k, bp does about 40k, lashe does 20k so is 10k higher

Bp has 3 instances that can crit with lash shadowed and bp

The evis only has 2

So on average the bp is more

Our crits hurt like crazy now

[tribal blade]

mb i meant the diff between the global you choose to BP

[plush roost]

No not really

[tribal blade]

ok cool

[plush roost]

Dont apex it over evis tho

Thats a loss

[tribal blade]

AH ok

[plush roost]

And again, this only applies with potent powder and high enough mastery

[tribal blade]

cool cool

[lilac pendant]

subtley now with old haste req sucks right?

im trying the caracters now in prepatch for the first time

[tribal blade]

yeah you should have ~33-35% haste for ST in prepatch

something liek that

[lilac pendant]

Ok i was trying it and it felt like so weird

[lilac stag]

Prepatch isn’t going to give you any thing of real use for testing the spec

Basically get a ui and binds setup

[plush roost]

Coup bugfix looking a bit nice

[maiden oar]

[wanton bronze]

what additional points in class/spec tree are we taking in midnight?

i'm on beta and just want to test some things.

[plush roost]

apex 4/4 and coldblood/utility

illusion of extra points XD

[wanton bronze]

i was leaning that way, thanks for confirming

[dense mountain]

yo char what does your cool down manager look like?

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[cursive island]

Morning 😄

[brisk onyx]

Working on beta now?

[plush roost]

yahp

[plush roost]

ermmmmmmm

I smella nerf

nimble second place

[tribal blade]

nauuurrrwwww

hey how are you dealing with the 2nd boss in maisara caverns

[plush roost]

pray my tank has a brain

[tribal blade]

wondering what the optimal strat is for that

LOL

[brisk onyx]

👍

[plush roost]

Basically

ur tank plays on rigtht side of room

cause they spawn in a rectangle

and people bait two melee ones in

then break far ones closer to middle

and repeat

[tribal blade]

cool

can you bait which adds go on who by being closer to corners

[plush roost]

u have to drop uptime if unlucky spawns but is what it is

[tribal blade]

or is it completely random

[plush roost]

no its random

[tribal blade]

damn

[dense mountain]

is the combopoints + energy wang addon?

[plush roost]

ye

[dense mountain]

tyty

[clear osprey]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vestal fog]

Screen Captured

[plush roost]

its my new WA

[bleak night]

wtf let screen go

[vestal fog]

Only missing the “activate window” aswell

[haughty mural]

nice news i woke up to today

[warm marlin]

what addon is this for party frames good sir?

[tribal blade]

what's been the best trinket setup you guys found

alnseer and an on use?

[warm marlin]

prob double passive

feather seems good

[long sun]

i was thinking about the macros for dance + some ability

depending on whether u enter at full cp or low cp

is it practical?

in the sense of

if u hit ur macro before ur off gcd

[north schooner]

backstab

[long sun]

then its not paired up well

[warm marlin]

must be patient and wait

[long sun]

what if u waiting is like

1.1s

[warm marlin]

but also even if ur not perfect a macro is gonna be pretty good

[long sun]

i mean i am 100% not perfect

[warm marlin]

starting cds .1s late or having .1s human delay so you drop .1s in dance?

[north schooner]

me when I press bs 122 times for it to do 0,26% of my dps

[long sun]

like imagine u delay ur dance press 1.1s on average

[warm marlin]

i mean my stance is probably well known. i pushed heavily for macros even in tww3

[long sun]

so idk u lose a global or two over the course of a fight

[warm marlin]

should never be that much

[long sun]

like that vs.

pressing natty and potentially losing a global bc ur to slow to hit a global after dance

but at least then ur still using abilities on global

does that make sense?

[maiden oar]

this one is a dance global lost every time

the other one could lose useless globals sometimes

[long sun]

i might b doing a lousy job explaining it

[long sun]

why is it?

[warm marlin]

like realistically ur not gonna wait that long its super unlikely you lose a cast of dance over a fight

[maiden oar]

because you pressed dance and then pressed the following gcd too late

[warm marlin]

maybe u wait 0.2s longer than ur gcd sometimes

[maiden oar]

which means your dance runs out before you can press the last global you wouldve pressed in that dance

and you lose a global with alot of good modifiers on it

[warm marlin]

but if you assume your timing is 0.2s bad enough normally, that will punish you massively more in dance, like grouch said. with the haste levels we're looking at you're only going to have 0.2s leeway anyway

[maiden oar]

if by starting the dance not the instant the gcd comes up with a macro you do it 10 times and lose a global

that global could theoretically be a non dance global as the very last one in your casts event tab right

[tribal blade]

me going to aim for 0.4 leeway UwU

[maiden oar]

so theres a chance you lose something less significant

maybe im misunderstanding but i think that dance globals are the ones that should be protected the most and the macro always protects them

so its probably better on averaage

[long sun]

yes but with a macro, u can press it to early

[maiden oar]

oh i thought the question was

if you have a macro and you wait too long to make sure the gcd came back before firing the macro

[tribal blade]

i tend to try to chill on the button mashing before going into dance to avoid it

[maiden oar]

risking a 1.1s delay over and over adding up to a random gcd loss

[clear osprey]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[maiden oar]

vs the fail condition of like doing it manually and going dance -> gap -> sectech

and guaranteed losing a dance gcd

being careful and making sure gcd is ready then slamming macro is better even if you lose a little bit

bbc the margins are like 0.2s

w the haste levels ppl like charrend are running and the robot is liking

[long sun]

its like with a macro u have the fail condition of pressing too early OR delaying ur global trying to press it on gcd. so ur either pressing too early, or too late

without a macro, ur always pressing a little late

i wonder how precise u have to be for the macro to be objectively better

[maiden oar]

i think you can be imprecise a little bit and even if it adds up to 2 lost random gcds its probably better

[warm marlin]

have you looked at your logs manual pressing dance ->gcd to see what delay you have?

[maiden oar]

because being .2s imprecise with no macro = guaranteed loss of dance button

[keen dome]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[maiden oar]

oh im just assuming perfect precise manual play is impossible to guarantee

[long sun]

im on a random log and my delay is like .2 on avg

[warm marlin]

ya so you would be losing a gcd in dance every time

[maiden oar]

so your options are error in pressing dance too early before gcd and exactly rolling gcd or error in waiting too long after gcd is available and pressing macro

[warm marlin]

without macro

[long sun]

and that is always worse, even if ur like objectively shit at using the macro

[maiden oar]

yea i think so

[cursive island]

Without macro, dont we have 2 possibilities to delay vs 1 with macro ?

[long sun]

err its always worse to not use the macro

[maiden oar]

i shouldve used macros last season

[warm marlin]

ye delaying your cds or losing a global outside dance is just way better than dropping gcd in dance

[maiden oar]

i was doing it manually and it was not ideal

bingus is correcct

its ok if your gcd is ready and you dont fire the macro that exact 10th of a second i think

[warm marlin]

even if you mistime macro slightly (heres a random fract log of mine) it's still incredibly well timed compared to manual

[long sun]

how many macros do u guys have for entering dance then? out of curiosity

[maiden oar]

im going crazy w it this season because of the 2nd dance in blades

[long sun]

ive never set it up but looking into it for midnight

[maiden oar]

i have:
dance + bp
dance + evisc
dance + sectech
dance + storm
dance + blades + trinket

which is probably overkill

[cursive island]

Dance + dance

[maiden oar]

but because you dont always start 2nd ddance in blades w a storm or sectech i made them

[warm marlin]

ye the 2nd dance in blades makes it a bit cringe

could just be a modifier + all your normal binds angle

[long sun]

right, do u feel ur proficient at using them? im realizing thats a lot of xtra binds ill need to incorp

[warm marlin]

dance/storm
dance/st
dance/blades/st are the only ones Id say are mandatory

[maiden oar]

yes bc theyre alt modifiers of the same button

[full bobcat]

but the second dance in blades doesn't line up with secret, or am I wrong?

[long sun]

truueee, with the way my binds are set up that might b a lil sketchy but i could maybe use alt

[maiden oar]

i can ss my binds in a bit

im in a xiv dungeon

capping tomes

[long sun]

alr ty for feedback @maiden oar @warm marlin i will spend some time macroing

[warm marlin]

i need to do the same

[maiden oar]

do u want my binds

[warm marlin]

spent today fixing my ui finally

zac too lazy to make one for me to steal

[long sun]

sure just ping me when ur done

[cursive island]

Sub 2 buttons specs but 10 macros yay

[long sun]

cannot complain about an absence of buttons now

[warm marlin]

@maiden oar opinions?

its been a long time since i self cooked

[maiden oar]

how do u do that

[tribal blade]

not being able to have dance+strike macro is still mega cringe

[maiden oar]

split up buffs bar

ur going crazy

[warm marlin]

arcui

[maiden oar]

is the performacne good

[cursive island]

Dude Arcui looks so good

[warm marlin]

idk im just hitting dummies in dorn

[cursive island]

I went in, opened settings

And died

[maiden oar]

ive heard vibe coding allegations

[warm marlin]

ye it was a bit of work

[tribal blade]

yeah there's 0 shot i'm gonna set that up after hearing smart people say it's a nightmare

[warm marlin]

but it let me make a custom dance bar

that isnt butt ugly like the blizz ones

[lilac stag]

Hide your defensives so only visible on CD

[maiden oar]

it does look good though

to answer ur question

[warm marlin]

[maiden oar]

im a streamer ui noob

make own ui too hard

[warm marlin]

u wot

i want to see them

[lilac stag]

Do you have stacks on evic? @warm marlin

[warm marlin]

no it changes to coup when ready

because the escalating blade one doesnt

and im not used to it

[lilac stag]

Do the stacks there get rid of the buff

[cursive island]

I might spend 24h doing a Arcui Cdm one but the idea that one random update from blizzard could break it

Meh

[lilac stag]

Also bar your sht to 5 imo

[warm marlin]

escalating blade stacks to 4, then when you press coup it transforms into the coup icon

which is just incomprehensible design

so i desaturated it

(this is 0 eb stacks)

[narrow shadow]

Hi guys. I have no shaman on my M+ grp. Am I doomed?

[lilac stag]

I’ll add the coup later

Clears more real estate to do it as one

vs tracking the buff separate

[warm marlin]

my old eb tracker did it all up there but now the info is different when you track evis vs. eb

[short radish]

whats the blue bar?

[cursive island]

You can do Shadow tech bars ?

Ohhh

[lilac stag]

Dance

[short radish]

wtf i thought thats illegal

[warm marlin]

no you can make crazy bar stuff

[lilac stag]

get on my level future boy with no insulation

[narrow shadow]

Reported

[short radish]

this is arc ui yeh?

[narrow shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/randall-recess-snitch-gif-9625258

[cursive island]

DL arcui on cd

[chrome palm]

rip my one icon tracking UB, EB, and coup de grace

i had it tracking fazed at one point too

[warm marlin]

yes all gone

now we have to use 3 shit trackers to get similar functionality

[cursive island]

Elvui + arcui is the way then

[lilac stag]

Fuck elvui

[warm marlin]

evis icon does it really good except it doesnt track eb stacks, eb stack tracker just breaks when coup is ready/pressed, fazed needs to be tracked independently

[chrome palm]

you can do this with arc at least

[warm marlin]

wait

how stack on evis

wtf!

[chrome palm]

its not on evis

the icon for eb is 5x5 px

[warm marlin]

[chrome palm]

so it hides under the text

[short radish]

i wish there was a way to make CP change color when on max cp

[warm marlin]

wangbar bucko

[short radish]

wait really?

[chrome palm]

arc added cp now as well

[lilac stag]

You can also do it as a 1px bar with text showing

[warm marlin]

support homegrown addons @short radish

[chrome palm]

oh good idea

[short radish]

hell yeah

thanks ❤️

[chrome palm]

i like arc tho

because you can change color at multiple thresholds

which for outlaw should be nice

for the 5cp rule

[short radish]

i take it as it wont work with sensei power bar?

[warm marlin]

does arc cp bar have the delay that sensei does?

[chrome palm]

dont think so

[warm marlin]

I was hesitant to try it

[lilac stag]

So my sht bar turns into sblades cd, but sht stacks always visible

[chrome palm]

i was trying it it seemed as fast as wang

[lilac stag]

Arc doesn’t have the delay. I need to change mine still

[maiden oar]

@long sun

its like this

[lilac stag]

Sensei is only outlaw issue

[maiden oar]

stealth bar is swapped backstab and strike keybinds

m3 = focus mouseover

but its just alt modifiers for all the dance macros on same buttons as the gcd

[lilac stag]

M3 = focus dn

[long sun]

ahh alr w ty

[lilac stag]

Unironically personal resource bar is also delayed CPs

🍝

[keen dome]

i have questions, and I'm scared

[chrome palm]

salad man in shambles

[maiden oar]

ok i can answer them

[keen dome]

Why do you have 4 Shadow dance buttons

[tepid trellis]

macro fiend

[lilac stag]

Already answered

[maiden oar]

one is dance + storm
one is dance + sectech
one is dance + evisc
one is dance + bp

[keen dome]

I'm not scrolling up

Aha

[maiden oar]

the last 2 are for the 2nd dance in blades

[keen dome]

Mystery solved.

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/next-weekend-update-done-mad-gif-17321063

[maiden oar]

because u cant always guarantee its entered on storm or sectech

so might as well macro the other spenders

[lilac stag]

Gonna need 5 with dance + shiv

[median nacelle]

that looks clean, ngl

[chrome palm]

thx

[maiden oar]

the keybinds open

[keen dome]

Your keybinds remind me of a PvPers keybinds, haha

But power to you if it works

[maiden oar]

is that good

[keen dome]

It's all valid 🫡

No keybind rules

[maiden oar]

i should probably learn to make my own ui

but being lazy and using atrocity is so comfy

i love 0 think

[keen dome]

Being lazy is peak

[tepid trellis]

there should be

[sharp oriole]

Are u guys tellin me, sensei is lagg with combo points ?

[keen dome]

No keybind rules, much like no pizza rules. This is the way of life.

[tepid trellis]

hunter in my guild has like kill command on shift+1

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[tepid trellis]

which should be banned

[keen dome]

Maybe they have weird hands

[tepid trellis]

no weird hands

just weird

[lilac stag]

If you don’t set it to fast update it’s lagged. Outlaw is slight delay no matter what

[warm marlin]

the fact that it doesnt show eb at 1 stack is tilting me

[maiden oar]

i really like primary rotational filler builder type buttons on mouse button 5/4

[chrome palm]

yeah that is the only thing lol

[maiden oar]

but i think thats strange

[chrome palm]

because the cdm only displays the icon itself at 1 stack

[warm marlin]

yeah its all bricked

[chrome palm]

oh, maybe the bar will show it

[keen dome]

My weridest binds are probably:

[chrome palm]

hold on

[warm marlin]

but we have repaired this

[maiden oar]

r is good

[lilac stag]

Bar will show it

[chrome palm]

wonderful

[tepid trellis]

i played wow for so long that mouse button wasent the greatest so i refuse to bind any rotational stuff to it

[keen dome]

Very cozy

[maiden oar]

i would love it if they relented on tracking ur own auras/spells

that are like rotational

please blizard

[tepid trellis]

old habbits die hard

[keen dome]

I have mousewheel+up and mousewheel+down for cooldowns which is very comfy

[warm marlin]

i am quite upset you cant track trinket buffs or fade to nothing

[lilac stag]

When I actually wake up I’ll do it before reset

[maiden oar]

hehe

i just think so many buttons are not easy to press while holding both a and d

[lilac stag]

3am is insomnia time

[maiden oar]

so mouse button feels like cheating

[warm marlin]

my immunities are always on mouse because my hand is always there to press reactionary 🙂

[maiden oar]

yea thats why i have mouse wheel up down for pot healthstone

fastest hp pot drinker

[tepid trellis]

i only have utility spells + trinkets on mouse

anything else is keyboard

[lilac stag]

I only have movement on mouse.

[long sun]

i was becoming a mouse believer for all of tww until my mouse binds starting stick together and now i have reverted back to keybinds

[lilac stag]

no movement on keeb

[tepid trellis]

i move foward with mouse

but i still use a+d to strafe

[lilac stag]

You’re supposed to clean up after you’re done

[tepid trellis]

its funny enough why my shadowstrike is bound to 2 and evis to 3, so i can strafe while doing it

[chrome palm]

the bar is actually WAY better because it not only shows 1 stack but also lets you set opacity to 0 for the bar itself, and you can hide the bar/text on skyriding which you cannot set for an individual icon

[lilac stag]

Stafe on side mouse buttons.

[maiden oar]

yeah maybe i gotta take ccs off 1234

[lilac stag]

Yeah bar allows more flexibility.

[chrome palm]

only issue is arc shows the "0" which hopefully you can disable

i hate that

i should never see a zero on my ui

[long sun]

erm

@maiden oar ok we're owning

dance dance dance dance dance dance

[maiden oar]

so cool

[long sun]

i now need to practice and rmbr what buttons does what

[lilac stag]

Where’s dance + cheap shot?

[long sun]

bruv im max 1200 arena

[lilac stag]

1500 with that macro

[chrome palm]

thank god they put a cd on cheap shot

[tepid trellis]

but that one time where the only stop you have left is cheapshot

now you dont ahve it ready

cast goes through

healer dead

twitch chat is flaming you

its joever

[lilac stag]

rogue fault

[warm marlin]

wait we share like half our binds

crazy

[maiden oar]

this terrifies me

[lilac stag]

Should have invited a warlock

[long sun]

oh my F bind can become cheapshot

im used to it being gouge

but im never taking that ability ever

[chrome palm]

any other bonus bar cheap/kidney shot enjoyers

i know its bad but

[maiden oar]

theres a possibility if airborne irritant is gone

[long sun]

ME

[maiden oar]

i dont know what that is

so probably not

[chrome palm]

bro the 1-2 double stun feels kinda clean in m+

[warm marlin]

is it a good time to say that i unbound cheap shot like 2 years ago

[long sun]

ya apparently bonus bar is cooked but that is where my cheap is rn

[chrome palm]

like in ara on the beetles before 2nd boss

[long sun]

on my kidney

[maiden oar]

what is a bonus bar

[chrome palm]

stealth bar in a macro

[lilac stag]

Me. Fuck using dance for CC.

[maiden oar]

oh

ok yeah idk how to do that

[lilac stag]

I’ll just blame the hunter pet and jumper cable the healer

[chrome palm]

like [bonusbar:1] Cheap Shot; Kidney Shot

dont tell a pvper youre using this

[maiden oar]

[cursive island]

Pressing 6 Ouch

[tepid trellis]

6 is chill

[maiden oar]

6 is way too hard

my hand too small

[tepid trellis]

fakin tiny hand people

[maiden oar]

i dont even use 5

[long sun]

oh nvm i thought u meant just how ur action bar swaps natty when u enter stealth/dance

[lilac stag]

Don’t have smol hands like pedo president

[long sun]

i dont have that macro

[chrome palm]

i mean its basicalyl the same thing

[tepid trellis]

if you cant comfortably hit shift+7

u got tiny af hands

[long sun]

ok w

[chrome palm]

but mine isnt on actionbar 1 so it needs to be a macro

[cursive island]

Id rather press H instead of 6

[long sun]

oooo i see

[lilac stag]

H is for health pot

[long sun]

6 for stealth is a classic bind

that shit is engrained

[chrome palm]

i put racial on 6 extra action button on 7 and my hands arent very big so i always press both by accident

[warm marlin]

my gate is on j

does this qualify

[maiden oar]

i like alt z for the macro that spams stealth to get u in

[tepid trellis]

for some reason my stealth is on ½½½½½ below esc

[maiden oar]

but then i need a diff bind to leave it

[tepid trellis]

and i dont know why

[maiden oar]

[warm marlin]

h = spammy, shift h = leave

[cursive island]

My wildest bind might ne Alt-t

[maiden oar]

mine are just completely arbitrary

alt z enter ctrl r leave

[warm marlin]

[lilac stag]

Best wow bind alt-f4

[maiden oar]

[long sun]

nah ur cooked

[tepid trellis]

wait until he learns you can just press the regular stealth

and it cancels it

[long sun]

i cant physically move my fingers that way

[lilac stag]

Stealthi giving away secrets

[maiden oar]

i use alt t for like out of combat nonsense

[warm marlin]

trying to hit j for gate on one of our dimmy kills i hit h by accident (stealth bind) which cancelauraed my dance in the middle of blades

[maiden oar]

my gate is ctrl m4

[warm marlin]

i was very confused

[maiden oar]

i like that one alot its really hard to do by accident

[short radish]

i have alt+p bound

[cursive island]

Waaat

Haha

[maiden oar]

any archaeologists

[warm marlin]

K is my snd/cancelaura

hit that on a few raid bosses for cdr

[lilac stag]

Ignore him. He can’t afford insulation in his house.

[keen dome]

Hell yes!

[maiden oar]

i deleted the macro to make room for more dance macros

[keen dome]

I still have my Snd cancelaura macro 'cos sometimes I just wanna push a button

[lilac stag]

It’s called jump

[tepid trellis]

i think they should brick all dance macros, so it causes a stance delay on all of them, i think that would be moderately funny to watch people mald over

[maiden oar]

oh i forgot i did this for dimensius

hehe

to break out of t he starting circle at p2

[keen dome]

That's mean, but also agreed.

[maiden oar]

id just piano 1234

[lilac stag]

Can we also have a varied gcd on all finishers between 1.0 - 1.2 seconds?

[tepid trellis]

nah cuz that would hurt me

wouldnt be funny

[chrome palm]

they should reduce coup gcd by haste just for fun

[maiden oar]

ok im down

[chrome palm]

just 20 different random haste effects

[maiden oar]

but it has to speed up the sound

[lilac stag]

A just here for chaos

[chrome palm]

more haste = longer range on coup charge

[lilac stag]

Haste gives acrobatic strikes back

[pulsar sky]

Guys am between play Ret Pala or Sub Rogue, what do u think/recommend?

[lilac stag]

Ret

[tepid trellis]

neither

who the fuck has a choice between all classes in wow

and chooses

the two red headed step children

[lilac stag]

So then you can tank and heal and be useful in LFG

[tepid trellis]

thats fcking wild

xD

[keen dome]

Bring back the coup charge but it only happens 1 in 100 casts

[tepid trellis]

so just its normal functionality

[lilac stag]

Coup causes a knockback if you’re too close to target where charge can’t happen.

[tepid trellis]

cuz you almost never pressed it ouside of melee

until the tank did a funny

[lilac stag]

Queen.

[tepid trellis]

i broke my mouse that tier

[chrome palm]

im stupid, bars you can disable when not active so the 0 doesnt show up

[native zodiac]

Queen ansurek

[tepid trellis]

i threw my mouse at the wall on asurek

i got a lil mad

[keen dome]

YES

[native zodiac]

Same

[lilac stag]

I was gonna say, but thought maybe some weird update happened.

I’ve had no time to retest ui

Also avoiding assa and outlaw setup

[maiden oar]

it was ww or rogue for me

[tepid trellis]

im just rouge

[lilac stag]

dumb and dumber

[maiden oar]

i might branch out now that classes are pruned

[tepid trellis]

im not trusted on anything else

[maiden oar]

and i can probably learn to play any guy now

[native zodiac]

Im doing a mirror rogue for splits this tier

[lilac stag]

devourer arc dead eh?

[tepid trellis]

i become a lil demon on anything else

[native zodiac]

I cant play anything else

[chrome palm]

you can play any class within 10 minutes

[tepid trellis]

it was never alive to begin with

[maiden oar]

me too but that guys being deprived of gear on purpose and he just exists to funnel loot

[tepid trellis]

its just my split alt

[lilac stag]

Gotcha

[maiden oar]

so my cool fotm alt ill actually play goes to the alt run and doesnt do splits

[lilac stag]

If by some ungodly reason I have time for keys, boomstick time on alt

[tepid trellis]

only way in hell my dh sees play is if devourer is turbo busted compared to rogue

[keen dome]

This is the tier I get (a) CE. Via pugging. That's my raid goal madness.

[tepid trellis]

and if it lets say the other rogues alt is turbo shit

then he goes rogue and maybe i do DH

[maiden oar]

ic

im probably just the poisoner

[tepid trellis]

thats like the only way i see it happening

[maiden oar]

but in case we stack something and i dont have to be the poisoner then i will gear either unholy or devourer

havent decided!

[tepid trellis]

iirc his alt is hunter

so probs always decent

[maiden oar]

[native zodiac]

What guild did you end up on now stealthi ive lost track

[lilac stag]

we just have me willing to rogue. So unless a warrior has a mentyb it’s a rogue tier.

[keen dome]

devourer is purple, sub is purple. simple.

[maiden oar]

also probably stacked on bosses w multiple mark targets

[tepid trellis]

i wiped use twice on dimmy as devourer cuz i 1 shot p1 add on the left side by accident two pulls in a row

[maiden oar]

yea but pestilence unholy is the cool backloaded rampy burst gameplay

that i loved from sub in twws3

[tepid trellis]

This is fine

[maiden oar]

well i guess also devourer is rampy backloaded burst?

[native zodiac]

Ahh

[maiden oar]

guess it doesnt matter

[tepid trellis]

in midnight kinda

on prepatch it was frontloaded

[maiden oar]

yea

[tepid trellis]

well depends on the tuning they do with collapsing star over reap i suppose

[maiden oar]

i think its like sanlayn > void scarred > annihilator > rider of apocalypse

[tepid trellis]

on prepatch reap does infinite

[maiden oar]

so im gambling on sanlayn pestilence

melee combo build is way more fun imo

[lean bone]

who said gambling

[lilac stag]

I don’t think anything has our front loaded burst, but I haven’t looked since last set of nerfs

[chrome palm]

bear maul

idk

[maiden oar]

i miss ramp backloaded sub but i think frontloaded is funnier

[chrome palm]

apparently bear shitting on everybody

[tepid trellis]

only class's thats usually up there

[maiden oar]

bc i can finally bully ppl and snipe t heir adds

and not be a victim of getting my adds sniped

[tepid trellis]

is MM hunter and shammy's

[warm marlin]

bear's st sim is like 30k above the highest sub one ive seen

[maiden oar]

people got so mad at me on soulbinder

cannot wait for that to be every single fight on new sub

i will be so evil

[lilac stag]

Bear has absorbed all of arms DPS

[chrome palm]

soulbinder prog kill was great

[maiden oar]

funny boss

[chrome palm]

highest on overall dead last on boss

[maiden oar]

[chrome palm]

perfect emote

[warm marlin]

i mightve been assa...

[tepid trellis]

think i played assa on soulbinder

top on overall

top on boss

top on adds

[maiden oar]

i played sub also it went crazy

[chrome palm]

when i got to soulbinder assa already got the knife

[tepid trellis]

before caustic nerf

[warm marlin]

just the life of the world first guild ofc

[maiden oar]

so cool

[chrome palm]

LOL

[maiden oar]

[chrome palm]

i forgot world first rogue bingus

[maiden oar]

it is so funny how serious some people in hp are about stormrage ranking

they love that stuff

[warm marlin]

they wrote an icyveins article about how we redefined the meta as a breakout group

[maiden oar]

no way...

[warm marlin]

linked our gm's kill vod where he freezes for 45 seconds straight while asking if hes still alive

[chrome palm]

LOL

[maiden oar]

hehe

[lilac stag]

[warm marlin]

pure

[chrome palm]

on our stix kill i got the ball but my screen froze so i am just running in place on top of my ball at the very end of the fight

[tepid trellis]

my old guild "killed" (it was still very fcking strong) augmentation evoker

just not beyond heinously broken

[lilac stag]

“How many augs did you need for a 40 second kill”

[tepid trellis]

4

[warm marlin]

https://youtu.be/MkebJCqD-Fo?si=dLoqS3JZqQ1YTKOy&t=132

[tepid trellis]

[lilac stag]

I remember

[native zodiac]

I still regret playing assa on our first soulbinder kill

Fucked up

[warm marlin]

boss damage went brazy though

[native zodiac]

Thats true

[lilac stag]

Fury was so good on that fight

[warm marlin]

I like to think that by playing it, I contributed in some way to singular focus/caustic getting shot and murdered for the rest of time

[lilac stag]

Idk how caustic survived the eggs break boss.

[chrome palm]

omg

this was the boss dam on my sub-ce guild's kill of egg boss

[lilac stag]

now show adds

[chrome palm]

it was a sub-ce guild for a reason

[lilac stag]

The last sets in execute BRRRRR

[chrome palm]

i fought so hard for us to keep lust in execute hahaha

[lilac stag]

I had to as well. We had 2 rogues at that point and I’m like just get us to execute

[ebon mirage]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[lilac stag]

I’ll send you a UI. Is not a nightmare, it’s just different so you need to spend a minute with it.

[tribal blade]

the thing is the way i position my stuff is really different to how other people do it

i think the only thing i want right now is a slightly better way to look at sht

[sly shore]

This was mine

[tribal blade]

like if i could have just that bar you posted that would be neat

[chrome palm]

fotm specs mogged to death love to see it

[lilac stag]

I can send just the bar

[sly shore]

oh no wait

that wasn't the prog kill

This was the prog kill

[chrome palm]

rip

[sly shore]

we killed it oct 29th

the guild I was in at the time, that is

[tribal blade]

oh shit

[chrome palm]

my guild was a little slower 🐸

[tribal blade]

this was our prog kill, i did horribly on ovinax

[sly shore]

It was a hard boss

[tribal blade]

it also didn't help playing sin gave me insane fps issues

[sly shore]

08:30 min boss at boss number 4

was insane

[tribal blade]

like must have been 5-10 fps at times when adds were out

[tribal blade]

yeah was nuts

[sly shore]

I was at 20-30 fps

[lilac stag]

I imagine lag was bad for you

[tribal blade]

when i swapped to sub the fight became WAY easier for me

[warm marlin]

whispyr was saying that assa alone generated like an entire raid's worth of combat events on that fight

[sly shore]

Nerubar was the last tier I wasn't washed lmao

[warm marlin]

from all the caustic/bleeds/singular focus etc

[sly shore]

[tribal blade]

yeah it was a mega combo of spatter fps problems, 200ms and also sucking at the boss and finding the right eggs

[chrome palm]

i can believe that

when you auto attacked something in tww the nameplate would instantly have 20 debuffs

[sly shore]

and I was still washed at that point

I peaked in dragonflight frfr

[vestal escarp]

Never got to parse at silken and ansurek

Fucking raid comp

[tribal blade]

yeah it was so bad

[sly shore]

silken was a hard one to parse

[tribal blade]

would also happen pushing S2 as sin

[sly shore]

because timings really had to line up with amps

[tribal blade]

go into 1st pull of FG

[sly shore]

if you had too much intermission damage

[tribal blade]

spread bleeds get spatter up

[sly shore]

unlucky

[tribal blade]

insta lag out

i think ovi is probably top 3 least favorite bosses of all time for me

that thing was my kryptonite

[warm marlin]

lou

[short radish]

whats your bar for sdance?

is that an arc ui thing

[chrome palm]

also arc

[maiden oar]

how long did it take to figure out arcui

[chrome palm]

the worst part of arc is changing specs

or just in general, any setting for arc

theres like 3 ways to change 1 thing

[maiden oar]

ic

[chrome palm]

like if you want rectangular short icons

[short radish]

yeah swapping specs is a pain

and also moving one tiny thing is like moving an image in word

[lilac stag]

not really

[chrome palm]

you need to change a setting in the default->apperance area, and then go to the layout section (????) and change the icon size per group

[lilac stag]

Just make a new group

[chrome palm]

and you have to do the math to make sure its the same ratio as what you set

and if i change my layout for sub

then i go to outlaw

[lilac stag]

You can set all of that by the group

[chrome palm]

and i have to re-copy the sub layout

which reorganizes every spell in the cdm

[lilac stag]

and not adjust individual icons

[chrome palm]

also like

find the correct layout

[sick dagger]

what icon pack is that?

[lilac stag]

likely mechagnome

[placid storm]

Any chance you’ll share the import string? ^^ looks amazing mate

[warm marlin]

Erm something clean icons

Whatever the big one is that most people use

Been a while

[lilac stag]

At some point maybe. I need to see if I’ll do the other specs

[lilac stag]

It’s the mechagon or mechagnome clean icons 2.0

[warm marlin]

sounds plausible

Just gotta set up the other specs and classes now

[tribal blade]

holy shit this looks like using layers you didn't name on photoshop

[warm marlin]

I rebuke this

I’m considering using stxdd as a custom icon for sectec too

seems fun

[tribal blade]

wait what's that

is that the cursed smiley sectec icon

[warm marlin]

Yes

[tribal blade]

AH lol

was confused at first till i broke down the letters

[vestal escarp]

Freaktech

[lilac stag]

Could be worse. Could be auto generated paths while tracing a bitmap to svg in illustrator

[tribal blade]

i used illustator for a bit and yeah that sounds cursed as well

[vestal escarp]

[tribal blade]

can't imagine how people feel who spent years and years learning how to use adobe programs and now AI is a thing

[lilac stag]

like me?

art and design degree now useful for … making wow ui

[alpine wraith]

as someone that is fixing ai fuckups everyday

dont worry competent people will stay

the mid to bad ones?

better learn to do some other things

while you have time

[tribal blade]

HAHA nice

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-joker-2008joker-gif-27447141

[tribal blade]

oh shit yeah that skill must actually come in useful for addons

[tribal blade]

lol hell yeah

[lilac stag]

It’s also why I’m super hesitant to release my ui

I don’t want to deal with supporting it

[tribal blade]

true yea

[vestal escarp]

Skill fluidity is nothing new

[tribal blade]

you'll get inundated with people saying it's bugged/not working/etc

[alpine wraith]

i mean it comes with electronic infraestructure etc as a freelance

you end up doing lots of random things

[lilac stag]

explaining how to install custom textures.

[alpine wraith]

from fixing teams errors to doing wlans to routing to printers not working

[lilac stag]

coup fixed. now lets see how the CPs are in arc

[short radish]

how do i adjust the spacing between combo points and energy bar?

with wangbar?

[minor trout]

Some questions for the optimizations on Beta:
does First one apply to DS as well?
Second one does apply to AoE as well? Or only ST?

[tribal blade]

i think it's energy Y offset

[lilac stag]

Offset

[tribal blade]

that'll move just the energy bar

[short radish]

thanks

[tribal blade]

i couldn't figure out how to swap the positions between energy bar and CPs

[lilac stag]

We don’t play DS. First optimization.

[tribal blade]

on wangbar

[tribal blade]

this

[minor trout]

Haha 😂

[lilac stag]

@short radish hopefully it doesn’t keep resetting on you

[warm marlin]

I unlinked everything

All the bars and frames are hardcoded positions

[tribal blade]

yeah would apply to DS too

at least i imagine, nobody has really been thinking about DS at all

you do low dmg outside dance so being afk for a little before it is value

[minor trout]

yeah makes sense. We got any idea for how long before dance?

[sick dagger]

when u go from bcdm to arcui, what options is there for cast bar?

[tribal blade]

not sure of a concrete number, i tend to go ~5 secs or so

i aim to get to full CP with 5 secs left before sectec and then afk that time

[minor trout]

gonna try sim later to maybe find the exact timing ^^

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade so a lot of the stuff is labeled nicely. it's the spec setup that is kinda oof

[tribal blade]

ahh i see

[lilac stag]

will depend on haste so you can backto back in sblades

[lilac stag]

So I’m just selecting what resource I want to adjust