subtlety

[tepid trellis]

really*

[radiant swift]

that do be easier with 1 than 3

(obv)

idk id rather perfect one class

most have more than one dps spec anyway

[tepid trellis]

rogue only has 2 that matter

[radiant swift]

rip otlw

[bleak night]

[tepid trellis]

not rip

just let it be dead

it doesent deserve peace

[radiant swift]

idk otlw is like the weird brother

[tepid trellis]

its the gum under the table

nobody wants anything to do with it

[torn tide]

it cant have peace if it doesnt exist

[radiant swift]

just dont mske it m+ relevant

[short radish]

gun*

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[torn tide]

comedic genius

[short radish]

im here all night

[grim vessel]

whoa is sub dmg THAT bad in prepatch atm

feels way lower than last week

[iron ibex]

Nah sub lower A tier 😛

[tribal blade]

IT'S SO TRUE

[prisma heron]

it certainly feels like a significant dps loss in prepatch. do I care much in prepatch? not really. its 4th quarter garbage time, but its gonna need some tweaks to get me to not just play mage next tier

[tribal blade]

i would def be worrying if the numbers weren't actually fake

[crystal spear]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dire ravine]

outside of dance, can I i dump combo points @ 5 for DS? it feels bad

[tribal blade]

never at 5

[graceful osprey]

So why did sub get a 8% nerf….im confused

[maiden oar]

flew too close to the sun on beta

(sun = wizard classes)

[dire ravine]

So just eat it and power thru to 7?

[tribal blade]

yeah

i believe 6 is fine, but there's no harm in going to 7

[bleak night]

[dire ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

it feels awful outside of dance windows

[supple kettle]

Looking for a Sub Rogue scientist (has probably been answered but I couldn’t find it). Does Troll Berserking racial count toward new Sub Rogue stats like a trinket or doesn’t matter like Lust?

[shrewd lantern]

thats the point

[supple kettle]

Sub has always felt awful outside dance, only Shadow Dust (RIP) gave any kind of reward to chase.

[dire ravine]

im taking my ball and going home

[torn tide]

its just waiting for cds outside of dance windows like im an npc

[shrewd lantern]

nah you still need to dump to not overcap energy

its not likee s3 where afking for 15+ seconds was actually the play

[supple kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

[torn tide]

like build and still do any finishers that i can?

[shrewd lantern]

yeah you have alot of energy

[astral axle]

bro outside of dance windows is peak gameplay, i get to contemplate the moon, microwave my hotpockets, scratch my nuts, and still mess up raid mechanics it is great

[shrewd lantern]

real

[short radish]

i miss downtime

[shrewd lantern]

same

[short radish]

used to be able to stretch my wrists and hands

now im gonna get RSI

thanks blizzard

[shrewd lantern]

i used to flame people for standing in shit

between cds

[shrewd lantern]

dont think anyone really knows since troll sucks

probably not if lust doesnt

[torn tide]

LOLL so true

[shrewd lantern]

like why play troll when maghar is just better

[astral axle]

big stanky feet

[shrewd lantern]

This is the main reason i can never play trolls

🤢

But like also 10% haste on a 3min cd is just ass

[supple kettle]

Is still better? 2 min doesn’t match 90 second shadow blades like berserking does and blood mallet isn’t up yet. 10% haste on every other shadow blades doesn’t sound awful. Also… Trolls be flippin out mon!

[shrewd lantern]

You just send maghar every other

[supple kettle]

Oh I’m aware, I’m just asking if it’s still better now with the stat changes.

[shrewd lantern]

You wouldn't be gearing specifically for how long your dance windows even if it did

on only those sets

otherwise we'd be a PI recipient by that logic

[supple kettle]

This is why I wanted a scientist. If Lust (external) doesn’t work but trinkets do, how is Berserking coded?

[torn tide]

its still sad how as sub i can blast the shit outta the mob then suddenly go into pretty much no damage mode

and just watch my dps fall

[chrome palm]

basically, if it gives you an amount of stat, it works on deepening shadows, if it increases your haste by a % amount, it doesnt

[torn tide]

but thats how its meant to be so oh well

[shrewd lantern]

yeah so maghar will increase it

[astral axle]

messerknecht is always a real one

[supple kettle]

100% all praise @chrome palm

[torn tide]

real, give him a noble prize

[chrome palm]

except for when im lying

[shrewd lantern]

[astral axle]

yeah in which case

fuck you bud

[supple kettle]

Only dude in here not discussing feet size 🤨

[astral axle]

[shrewd lantern]

God i'd hate if we actually benefitted from haste.

And have to ask for PI

[chrome palm]

my friend there is always a reason to ask for pi

[shrewd lantern]

I mean feet are peak but

playing a race without back problems is always nice

which you dont get with trolls

[supple kettle]

I don’t haha my brother has played disc priest for years. I’m just waiting for my PI moment.

[torn tide]

when they say theyll give PI to whoevers top dps but im only top dps for the first half a minute until my cds run out

[astral axle]

trolls have a good /laugh

[shrewd lantern]

you guys play with sound on outside raid?

[chrome palm]

maybe the 2 minute blades cook will make pi good

[astral axle]

puzzletime

[chrome palm]

yur

i love my 1:40 spec

[supple kettle]

There’s a 2 minute blades cook?

[shrewd lantern]

I'd lose my shit hearing stuff like the human male attack sound

if i played wow with sound

from other players

[chrome palm]

blizzard in their infinite wisdom designed subtlety to be a spec which has dance and blades as desynced cds

[shrewd lantern]

Still, female undead has the most dramatic death sound

for no reason

[supple kettle]

Was never an issue with shadow dust.

[chrome palm]

so optimally you use blades every 100s instead of 90s so you dont need to hold secret technique

[shrewd lantern]

[chrome palm]

for now

[shrewd lantern]

dust was basically

[chrome palm]

until you dont

[shrewd lantern]

wait for someone smarter to plot out cds

[chrome palm]

real talk

just make trickster dust

[shrewd lantern]

then they removed dust and made flag/sb the same cd as god intended

[supple kettle]

I just played it natty haha. Did pretty well in amirdrissil too. Got my first orange parse haha.

[chrome palm]

let ds be the easymoder sub and make trickster the autism sub

[supple kettle]

God never intended Flag, I hated that button.

[chrome palm]

and just tune trickster to be like 1% ahead

[astral axle]

ok now this sounds good

[supple kettle]

I was hoping I could come back to sub this expansion, seemingly like Sin/Law is the way again though. See you guys in the troll raid haha.

[inner prairie]

So I was reading the Method guide for Sub and realised the Rotation page is out of date. I wonder if we can maybe put a warning for that on the Sub FAQ that the link is out of date in sections currently?

[supple kettle]

Imagine asking method for advice.

[chrome palm]

my thinking is that at least one of the three rogue specs will be better than the other two, or they will all be about the same

[short radish]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[supple kettle]

Agreed, outlaw is better than it’s been in a long time though, crimson tempest change is sick. I love sub but losing rupture feels like the deal breaker. I just literally don’t have a button there now. On a prime keybind.

[short radish]

@tepid trellis

[shrewd lantern]

blizz doesnt like outlaw being good

[inner prairie]

Part of it also mentioned Rupture usage which isn't part of us too right?

[supple kettle]

I mean… brew and fury both look solid right now. I think it’s less about blizzard and more about the community loving the wizard meta.

[short radish]

correct

[shrewd lantern]

well generally speaking

melee range is a warzone

[dire ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/doesnt-even-go-here-facepalm-gif-18386953

[shrewd lantern]

while ranged just payphone

[supple kettle]

Welcome to the jungle.

[chrome palm]

they gotta nuke skyfury that buff is honestly so annoying for melee now

[dire ravine]

I am so tired of range meta. its so obviously biased lol

[short radish]

ranged on gallywix 🙂

[chrome palm]

everyone flipped out over the mystic touch buff in s3 this is the same thing

[shrewd lantern]

ngl idr that boss

irrelevant endboss

wf ended day 1

[supple kettle]

And Hunter got the 3%!?! Obviously a dark horse because who doesn’t want mage/warlock but Brew/Resto Sham/Outlaw/Fury (which ever Hunter spec is relevant remains the dream.

[shrewd lantern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKz2ADJ3Mrs

liquid who

[tepid trellis]

dunno wth they did with uploading this time around but its been a mess

and i cant be fcked to fix it since im working in a new template for midnight

[supple kettle]

The real problem is vengeance. You’ve got a tank with a wizard preference that has insane control (after multiple nerfs). Wizard meta just makes sense until Brew/Warrior have some utility that matters.

[shrewd lantern]

well highly doubt vengeance is meta tank

with how broken devourer likely will be

[short radish]

no! it must be fixed now! prepatch is such an important time

[supple kettle]

You think brew? Up go outlaw stocks haha.

[shrewd lantern]

what is outlaw

[short radish]

brew is apparently unkillable atm

[chrome palm]

silence might be less important now

but yeah you havent had a non-silence tank in the meta since df s2

[supple kettle]

It is with rogue/warrior/hunter haha.

[chrome palm]

coincidence?

mystic touch is kinda overrated

skyfury mogs mystic touch to death

[supple kettle]

Need pure physical like outlaw. Wasted on sin and sub.

[chrome palm]

besides, playing a caster in phys comp isnt even that horrendous

since they dont need as many buffs to be competitive

see arcane in tww s3

or melee comp rather

[supple kettle]

Depends on the comp, DK are essentially Melee wizards.

[chrome palm]

or shaman for that matter* is the better example

[supple kettle]

Shaman to squishy now. It actually criminal how much defensiveness Hunter managed to keep. They’ve got to be higher end now with a tenacity pet

[tepid trellis]

realised i needed to fix talent strings anyway so it will get fixed when someone from the web team is awake

[supple kettle]

This was me all of DF on sub haha.

[shrewd lantern]

but yeah mystic touch is booty

also sub was literally good in df?

[supple kettle]

Try telling that to the M+ community haha.

[shrewd lantern]

*pugs

pugging is like signing yourself up to get kicked in the nuts

[supple kettle]

Mystic touch is diabolical though. Assuming all specs are tuned the same, BM, Arms/Fury and Outlaw are just artificially penalized another 2% over wizards.

[tepid trellis]

good, fuck outlaw

[supple kettle]

I mean… it’s actually pretty fun right now. Have you tried it? I also used to hate outlaw.

[tepid trellis]

yep, still hate it

[shrewd lantern]

its still worse than skyfury

pretty sure

[supple kettle]

Roll the bones? I assumed crackshot windows were the main source of hate?

[shrewd lantern]

no one with more than 1 functioning braincell thinks rtb is an issue

past bfa

[supple kettle]

So why the hate?

[shrewd lantern]

it's like the weird cousin ig

leather warrior

[supple kettle]

I think we had different experiences with our cousins…

[tepid trellis]

i dislike ace

and the spec just feels like mindless pressing

[chrome palm]

have you liked any specs youve tried on beta stealthi

[tepid trellis]

idm Assa just feels like the same

[supple kettle]

Crimson tempest is a notably improvement.

[tepid trellis]

Havoc is essentially also just old havoc

well last time momentum was good was legion

[supple kettle]

Havoc is dog water.

[tepid trellis]

this version is more akin to BFA

which i dont mind

[shrewd lantern]

bfa havoc?

[swift tinsel]

I find it fun

[supple kettle]

I miss momentum.

[shrewd lantern]

lol honk honk spam

[tepid trellis]

its like a mix between DF havoc and BFA

if id have to pin point it

[shrewd lantern]

all i knew was

[tepid trellis]

in terms of feel of the spec

[shrewd lantern]

if i had a male belf dh in my group

that man getting the boot

insta

[supple kettle]

I’ve never healed good, new holy pally is cool but resto sham still feels better.

[tepid trellis]

now on beta its just inertia line up with eye beam and surges

which feels somewhat rewarding to do

so idm it

and sub just feels like sub but you cut off your pinky while cutting veggies

[short radish]

if you play rogue, hpal is so chill

[supple kettle]

S1 of TWW immo aura, rush, essence break window was sick.

[tepid trellis]

is how id put it

[short radish]

it's just rogue except you heal

[supple kettle]

And better mogs.

[tepid trellis]

i cant stand the pala archetype so id have to disagree on that

[short radish]

prot paladin was basically just outlaw rogue that tanked

[supple kettle]

I hate pally too, but new holy is pretty fun. Especially in raid with dawn of light. Kinda made me feel like rogues should still just be at 5 combo points.

[shrewd lantern]

nah s1 tww havoc was

you rip aggro on pull if your mandate crit

[tepid trellis]

healer in my old guild that mained hpal since begginings of times

think the rework blows massive dick

[supple kettle]

Well, must be true then.

[tepid trellis]

however i do not touch healer specs with a 10foot pole

unless i absolutely have to

so if its true or not ive got 0 clue

[short radish]

there was a rework that lasted a single day that was absolute balls

so could have been then

[tepid trellis]

no idea just know it was after ellesmere did some twitter post

i didn't care enough to ask about it more

[supple kettle]

If you played HPal the last two expansions and liked it you enjoyed having a bunch of mini CDs. Nothing wrong with that, just what you enjoy. For example, I enjoyed shadow dust but the community cried that it was too hard so here we are.

[tepid trellis]

i hated shadowdust

but for a very specific reason

[supple kettle]

You won

I lost

Congrats

[short radish]

yeah it was definitely then lol. basically if they decided to add hemo and rupture back for sub rogue

[tepid trellis]

cuz i was making spreadsheets for the people that thought it was too hard

[supple kettle]

This is the spec your anger has birthed.

[shrewd lantern]

stealthi is the one we got the sheets from

[tepid trellis]

people couldnt math

so i had to math

[shrewd lantern]

until they randomly nerf fyrakkus by 10%

then we had to homebrew new cds

on the fly

[tepid trellis]

AND I HAD TO FCKING REDO THEM

[supple kettle]

I played it natty, no timers and parsed fine.

[shrewd lantern]

i remember i asked scana what he did

"i just changed it every pull for the vibes"

[supple kettle]

Yeah, exactly

[tepid trellis]

dust was fun on progress

it was garbage on farm

[supple kettle]

Shadowdust was vibe haha

[shrewd lantern]

not really having to redo it all

on long fights

and eventually it was just scripted

zzzz

[tepid trellis]

pick one of the 11 versions of fyrakk i made

for specific dmg profiles needed

yep

[graceful rock]

i have dust fomo

[shrewd lantern]

the later versions you should have just wrote

"idk play assa"

since sub wasnt mandatory by then

[tepid trellis]

lol

[supple kettle]

That sounds like a you problem. Unless you were top 50 in the world.

[tepid trellis]

thank you

i was

[supple kettle]

Well we shouldn’t pay for your sins. It was fun.

At top 50 you’re gonna hate anything.

[tepid trellis]

unfortunately the casuals hated it too much

so it had to go

and was to "unintuitive"

which wasent even dust's fault but the nature of sub cds

[graceful rock]

can i like way backmachine the guide?

[tepid trellis]

no clue

[supple kettle]

Secret technique CD goes down, rogue goes burr… 100% mythic raiders bitching.

[shrewd lantern]

I mean that was super scripted after awhile

meh

[tepid trellis]

think the version of sub we just had in TWW 3

i rank 2 on my top 5 versions of the spec

[shrewd lantern]

same

but 7.2.5 sub still reigns

for me

[supple kettle]

Spoiler alert, all of wow is pretty scripted after a while haha. Isn’t hat the whole bit of TGP?

[tepid trellis]

tomb sub had too much dopamine to not be rank 1 all times

[shrewd lantern]

lol it was tons of fun

Tbh i still played it in antorus since it was technically better on prog by the time we killed argus.

[tribal blade]

i legit don't remember how tomb sub played, can you guys remind me

the general rotation

[shrewd lantern]

dfa

[maiden oar]

im glad i got to experience it

[tribal blade]

dfa i def remember

[maiden oar]

i loved tww s3 sub so much

that spec made wow click for me

[shrewd lantern]

you striked to get nightblade up then built up for a dfa

hit vanish for MA window and dance would trigger as you landed

[tepid trellis]

1: DFA sub in tomb
2: TWW S3 2x coup
3: Nerubar Sub both and without dust
4: DF season 3
5: SL S2 flag sub

98: DF S1 gloomblade dance on cd cringe shit
99: DF S2 gloomblade goes brrrt
100: Sepulcher puke fest

[shrewd lantern]

ahahah based

[maiden oar]

what was tww s2

[shrewd lantern]

sl sub in sepulcher can die in a dumpster fire

[tepid trellis]

same as season 1 just not dust at all and a cringe af tierset

[maiden oar]

winning streak so excitement

oh ok

[shrewd lantern]

every melee had rng tierset

besides unholy

[tribal blade]

sepulcher sub was not fun

[shrewd lantern]

hey let me dance 3x in a row

and all of them do dick for damage

[tepid trellis]

going to a xymox platform (i dont have blades up its still on 40sec cd from pull)
come back from the platform with a 1m 12sec blade running

[shrewd lantern]

df s2 sub was so brainless i did my weekly keys brain off

[tepid trellis]

yep yep

[shrewd lantern]

for over an hour

[supple kettle]

We all found something we can agree on! Sepulcher was our low point.

[shrewd lantern]

storm bp

x100000

i mean early df sub was barely better

some people just liked the dopamine hit of cb sectech

but otherwise.....

[supple kettle]

Mid DF rogue rework was sick.

[tepid trellis]

only thing good about DF S1 was me and DK just beefin in DMs competing against eachother on boss dmg parses late farm

[shrewd lantern]

yeah pre rework was outlaw rogue

with daggers

[tepid trellis]

i had some absolutely disgusting rng parses on some kills

it was wild

[shrewd lantern]

only fun part about later sl sub was bug abusing eon

[supple kettle]

Didn’t we run one sword and the off hand dagger from heroic mega dungeon for the proc? It’s been a minute.

[shrewd lantern]

you never played sword as sub

[graceful rock]

nick of time

W

[tepid trellis]

sub just played 2x daggers

[supple kettle]

Yes! Nick of Time!

I was talking outlaw.

[shrewd lantern]

Pretty sure outlaw had multiple weapons

and stat was still better outside of st

[supple kettle]

Because of this comment.

[shrewd lantern]

i meant sl sub basically played like outlaw

perma dance like perma ar

no real burst

sb uptime was like 60-70%

kyrian dust outlaw saved me from just uninstalling

tbf

[tepid trellis]

back when sub was a borrowed power class

fuck my class doing dmg just let the ring do it

[shrewd lantern]

lmao

sanctum sub

with blood gems

[tepid trellis]

consistently bursting

sepulcher sub

[supple kettle]

So toxic…

[shrewd lantern]

The only thing i liked about voti was the fact that our shamans decided to be floorpov perma on the rock guy.

So i got to spam torch off cd

[short radish]

did you hvae the weak aura thanking them for resetting grief torch?

[shrewd lantern]

yes

and rsham died 3x one farm week

same kill

[tepid trellis]

look at this BS

blades was 20 sec duration btw

1min30

xDDDDDDD

straight gas

[supple kettle]

To be fair… GT definitely live up to its name haha.

[shrewd lantern]

Grieftorch was also funny using it on outlaw with hook

for the driveby cleave

[tepid trellis]

only fun thing about sepulcher was my guild cooking up vile shit on Jailer

for speed strats

[shrewd lantern]

sepulcher triggers me

"rogue prio damage"

mfw losing to the bdk on anduin burn

almost

XDDDDDDD

[tepid trellis]

carrying the dmg buff through all of p1

[spice matrix]

Remember damage guys? Yea i member

[tepid trellis]

was fun

but my gawd

did it fucking hurt to do

[shrewd lantern]

i think the bdk beat me on the burn

if his gavel rolled non shit

good times

[tepid trellis]

it did become quite alot faster with it

[shrewd lantern]

It's been like 8 years since shuriken combo got axed.

And we still had mfs yapping about sub prio damage

[left shale]

and they got dmg buffs across the board this week.

[shrewd lantern]

as of last season

[supple kettle]

As if we don’t have damage. I switched from sin to Sub on Forgeweaver and literally rolled my head on the keyboard with shit stats and still won.

[short radish]

to be fair, brew hasn't been in a good spot in m+ for a while afaik

so they can have a bit of fun

[shrewd lantern]

is brew still like a gorillion buttons

[supple kettle]

Second vote for outlaw/brew!

[shrewd lantern]

somehow only monk spec that kept weapons of order

the only fun monk cov spell

[supple kettle]

No, brew is super easy, barely an inconvenience. Keg smash, fire, Panda.

[shrewd lantern]

because who tf asked for faeline stomp

or bonerdust

[supple kettle]

Bro, the shadowlands trauma is deep. Tell us where the jailer touched you.

[left shale]

oh i agree. i was a brew main from day 1 of mop til sl or so and on and off since. this version is noticibly easier but since i had 20+ keybinds previously it deserves to be 🙂

[supple kettle]

Brew feels solid right now. Not its best (RIP Ironskin Brew) but it’s fine.

[left shale]

people hate monk. they really hate monk when its good, because people dont want to play it. so will be interesting to see how long it stays good.

[supple kettle]

I would love nothing more than a windwalker revival.

Spin to win haha.

[left shale]

poor windwalker.

[supple kettle]

It’s so bad

So bad haha

[left shale]

be angry at how sub is but just be glad yo arent a ww

[supple kettle]

I’d rather be my neighbors cat than a WW.

Worst part is even with massive buffs they could be meta but still fundamentally broken.

Sub is simple jack, but at least we fill the roll. WW is lost.

[tall girder]

Ww most fun iteration for me was bonedust brew spam spinning crane kick

[short radish]

last i heard the current iteration of ww was casting and immediately cancelling fists of fury

[tall girder]

Yuck

[dry badger]

So wait is sub dead now after nerfs?

[short radish]

sure

we've all moved over to #outlaw

[cold sequoia]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

I too love being a slot machine.

[tall girder]

No proc sad proc happy

[shrewd lantern]

I mean most people who simp necro ww wouldn't if it didn't do the damage it did.

woo build was more interesting overall with serenity

[lilac stag]

I try to get some sleep and you let this place turn into a monk dick measuring contest. smh my head

[hollow spear]

Well, he clearly stated that his official business is now in outlaw

[lilac stag]

it’s joever

[vale pine]

good morning lovely people

[lilac stag]

@vale pine 8am by you?

[vale pine]

yes

[lilac stag]

1:00 here.

[vale pine]

means you are from somewhere around there ^^

[drifting pollen]

Well.. at my place its the Same time and i am in Germany.

[narrow shadow]

It's the same time in all of Europe

[vale pine]

1 am?

(i know he ment central europe time, but referenced the image of the 1 am timezone, so i am just joking around)

[fallow nimbus]

I wish it was 1am again so i can sleep a few more hours, it's too uncomfortable at work

I should open some pc and monitor packages and build a cardboard bed in the it storage room again

[lilac stag]

Hour or so south of Chicago

[vale pine]

oh, new house/flat?

nice

[lilac stag]

lol

[vale pine]

oh wait

think he works at retail store selling pc parts

(maybe i am wrong)

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-budget-cut-poor-costume-gif-25637094

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1gI6gr0F84

[tulip light]

When you have an extended dance due to tfd do you still send a second one during bladed even if one almost covers it?

[alpine wraith]

yea second sec tech will land on the second dance

[lilac stag]

AI generated. No way there’s 40 sub rogues.

[tribal blade]

FUNNILY ENOUGH i think sub isn't a dead spec in pvp

historically

it's just in pve we're rare af

[alpine wraith]

sub in pvp can be fine because you can play solo shuffle or the new bg thingyu

[lilac stag]

It was oneshotting folks

[alpine wraith]

where people cant not invite you

but it is hard to play and you wont see many anyway

[tribal blade]

it is hard for sure

i wonder how badly cheapshot having a cd will affect sub

[lilac stag]

I’m sure we see a population bump at the start since it’s more approachable. Will it sustain is what I’m curious to see (if tuning is decent).

[wraith sphinx]

In PvP with the cc pruning the cd means basically nothing, if anything they're even more cracked

Shadow dance uptime is crazy and you've always got 1 or 2 cheaps ready to go

[tribal blade]

mmmmm

[fallow nimbus]

I am the it department in a government office

[tribal blade]

true dance is a lot more accessible than before

[fallow nimbus]

I work for the long arm of justice in germany

[wraith sphinx]

If sub doesn't get squished beneath blizzards big nerf boot in S1 of midnight (in regards to PvP at least) id be shocked

[tribal blade]

pretty classic position for sub to be in with pvp

[vale pine]

close enough ^^

[tribal blade]

it's always funny seeing the notes of them constantly nerfing sub's pvp damage

it actually would be kinda cool if sub had the same kind of power in pve with dance as in pvp

somehow

[wraith sphinx]

Just give us a 3 boss fight and let us cc them

[tribal blade]

haha

[wraith sphinx]

Soul hunters but we can kidney and cheap to our hearts content

[tribal blade]

or imagine if clones generated from cheapshot and kidney were like 300% more effective against immune targets

wait you wouldn't even be able to generate them

nvm

[stuck lance]

In gw2 they have break bars on bosses. The bar has to be broken for some mechanics and stuns the boss different ccs cause a different amount of dmg to the bar ie a 7 sec stun would be stronger then 5 sec stun or a blind since it is a softer form of cc. Would be a cool mechanic to see in wow @tribal blade

[keen dome]

Damn, did I miss the chance to be in this

Absolute shameful

A few buddies have been in a load of his 40 v 40's

[short radish]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tribal blade]

we're just obviously too good

[short radish]

this is why we always get nerfed

[torn tide]

mustve been a helluva battle

[tribal blade]

oh interesting yeah

[tribal blade]

it was!

[karmic harbor]

my guild just disbanded 😭

[short radish]

[lilac stag]

on the positive, no one plays rogue. land new guild.

[tulip light]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[abstract crest]

Hello lads, nowadays which rogue is the strongest on prepatch in m+?

[keen dome]

All of them

[alpine wraith]

devourer dh

you can carry an afk rogue

[keen dome]

You are expecting a lot from the average DH player there, hacha.

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[lilac stag]

SV hunter

[alpine wraith]

but all 3 rogue specs are fine tbh

sub might seem weaker but the true strenght is in our hearts

[tribal blade]

i had a slight identity crisis when sub got pruned to hell

but after setting up outlaw and getting that rotation down

i'm a sub boy

always have been

[alpine wraith]

well even if it seems they deleted a lot tbh it was annoying things anyway

the skill will always be in cd usage when it matters

[clever fog]

Hey guys im an Outlaw Main. How does sub play in M+? U have fun?

[tulip light]

ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp ss bp

the fun part is up to you 😂

[amber sedge]

Its boring

[tribal blade]

yes! i'm overall happy

[alpine wraith]

sub is more how you use your dances or bank things for the next one

the rotation is kinda easy but there is a reason people will perform better

and if they dont nerf pot things will be silly

[tribal blade]

i'm worried about that pot

seems excessive

[alpine wraith]

vs someone that knows when yo use it or just sends it

and wastes it

well pots used to be quite big

they had up to like 20% dmg increase over a fight once upon a time

[tribal blade]

i think they could nerf it by a decent amount and it would still be strong

[alpine wraith]

maybe they want to come back to the roots of it

but as it stands people are not used to have pots as tactical consumables

and just use them with cd

[tribal blade]

i've been playing with it macro'd the past 2 tiers out of sheer laziness

but seeing how strong it was got a dedicated keybind for it again

actually i haven't had it macro'd that long thinking about it

i definitely didn't have it macro'd while title pushing, could you imagine haha

that would be so troll

[alpine wraith]

exposed in 4k

[tribal blade]

you would get found out pretty fast haha

popping pot on a trash pull right before a big scary boss

[median nacelle]

did they fix the coup delay?

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[median nacelle]

negative according to spreadsheet

https://tenor.com/view/scott-gif-8481256978695362196

[lilac stag]

It’s a feature at this point, not a bug.

[alpine wraith]

nope

that will stay with us forever same as vanish krangling and not saving stealth things anymore for 3 secs

that one is gonezo

[lilac stag]

If you always need to be spamming something, you’ll likely not enjoy it. The apm is still a decent pace, but it’s more about CD usage and still aligning everything properly to maximize CD usage.

[alpine wraith]

someone broke the 2004 code

and they decided you know what

nope

[median nacelle]

ya xd

[fleet acorn]

How do I Loose 4K dps from yesterday to Today with Same gear ?
The fuu sim is the Same as before with new talents just my sub rogue lost dps with new talents …

[alpine wraith]

we lost dps from talents

we lost dps from deathstalker change

we lost dps from the 8% nerf

and we lost dps because your name begins with A

oh and also they did another mini squish on scaling secondaries but idk if that is in simc

[tribal blade]

how much dps did we lose from the talents

[alpine wraith]

around 5-6% or so

[tribal blade]

does it overall make that like a -10% nerf or so

oh shit

ok

so we lost almost 15%

[alpine wraith]

yea from 15 to 20% or so

[tribal blade]

LOL

that's kinda wild

[alpine wraith]

a lot of specs also lost a bit from talents

[tribal blade]

yeah i heard

[alpine wraith]

our problem is also because on simc the fix to the crit dmg thing was not in yet

so now they all landed at the same time

think fuu will update the sheet eventually

but yea we got barrel rolled

[tribal blade]

oh that's right they fixed the crit dmg

[abstract crest]

@alpine wraithyo, is outlaw performing better than sub in m+ nowadays?

[alpine wraith]

not really

[abstract crest]

@alpine wraithwhich spec is strongest for now dps wise ?

[vale pine]

We lost like 11% or so

[tribal blade]

it's prepatch so it don't matter, but it's still funny

[vale pine]

But i changed the sim to 2 mins. Thats why its not as noticable

[abstract crest]

@vale pinewhat about assa ? due to buffs is it best for now in m+ ?

[vale pine]

Not sure

The changes just mean sub is worse

[copper fiber]

whats your favourite things about sub that keeps you there, love your wowhead guides

[vale pine]

The gameplay is typically better

The theme is too

My take on the change is

Rogue as a whole just got worse

Because sub was the strongest spec and it got hammered to be on par or below the other 2

You can actually see that on wcl

The last 2 bosses of the raid are ideal for subtlety

[abstract crest]

why rogues are getting thrown into a trash ? what we have done ? 😄

[vale pine]

Yet it seems to be middle of zhe pack now

[red vortex]

be giga strong

[abstract crest]

@red vortexbro i played DF season 2 with rogue , i did 22-23 keys, and i could not even try on 24, nobody invited me and when i was listing the key only low ppl were sending requests . for 3 days i have not done any dungeon, that made me RQ. and just recently came back xD fully skipped War within. now i wanna play the rog but its still in the trash, so it means 0 invite in high keys from pugs..

[red vortex]

probably

[copper fiber]

im new to rogue for the expansion but i really like sub so far, its simpler for me to understand than the others and the theme/fantasy is pretty cool

[red vortex]

i ran up untill +16's i think

and said whatever

[abstract crest]

and what if u wanna do 20s ? i are forced to have a team, or play meta other class to get invited on keys in pugs...

[red vortex]

yup

[lilac stag]

We’re not in the trash. If you want meta look elsewhere.

[abstract crest]

@lilac stag if u want to do high keys, go for another class . it means that 🙂

[red vortex]

i mean meta is meta

same for any other competitive game

[tribal blade]

well that was the season aug came out, it had nothing to do with rogue being bad, sub was actually a very good spec at the time

it's just sub sucked fitting into god comp

[lilac stag]

high end content and pugs don’t usually mix very well. Go pug CE and let me know how it goes.

Not being meta doesn’t mean it’s trash ya rock

[tribal blade]

i got title that season playing sub but it was incredibly hard because nobody was inviting any spec outside of god comp

[abstract crest]

@tribal blade yee there were only god comp 24 + keys

@tribal bladeexactly

[lilac stag]

Why would you invite anything but that? 33 other useless trash specs am I right?

[tribal blade]

i barely squeaked into title that season

it came down to the wire

[alpine wraith]

maybe you needed better friends

you casual

[tribal blade]

YESSIR

[lilac stag]

someone critcake gets title on trash warrior every tier. Oh wait he plays with friends.

https://tenor.com/view/damn-shookt-shocked-gif-5580082

[tribal blade]

haha yeah and he's also a GOD TIER warr

[red vortex]

bold too assume to get friens

[alpine wraith]

dont worry it has been years since i cared about doing more than 12 or whatever

[abstract crest]

@tribal blade+

[tribal blade]

i actually watched everyone i played with break and dip out of that season 1 by 1

because of aug

[lilac stag]

So all the whiny bitches in here just need to get good and stop being anti-social?

[tribal blade]

AND be willing to sit in lfg getting 1 invite every 3 hours 😉

[abstract crest]

@lilac stagand get a friends to play with em xD

[tribal blade]

that was depressing because sub was actually quite strong that season

[abstract crest]

otherwise walk in the city for 4 hours and w8 for invitation.

[lilac stag]

Well why in LFG with friends?

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[tribal blade]

i did find a disc priest to run with

this is the guy who ended up buying title during S2

[abstract crest]

i was solo and then found druid who quit as well xD

[tribal blade]

of tww

[lilac stag]

people quit high end m+ because it’s trash.

so just raid as what you want and reroll meta for keys if m+ is that important in a seasonal game.

also fuck m+

[tribal blade]

i'm a bit more on the fuck M+ train now

not all the waay

but in terms of high key pushing yeah i don't wanna

[lilac stag]

If you mention trying to push the first month of the season ima fly to HK and slap you

[tribal blade]

lol deal

[swift tinsel]

Keys are just for another row of vault options lol

[tribal blade]

it's not gonna happen trust

[swift tinsel]

And to chill with the guildmates I actually like playing with

[lilac stag]

on god evey time pushing m+ enters your head, part of your jinx house gets destroyed.

Keep your throughs clean.

[tribal blade]

every time i push keys i become a goblin

i'm glad i did it, but i think that chapter is over

housing unironcially came around at the perfect time

[lilac stag]

yeah. You’re def more lax in banter when not pushing.

[tribal blade]

TRUE

a lot less anxious in general

also more time to take care of myself

[plush roost]

Ill never forgive blizzard for that season, it was gonna be a sub meta

[tribal blade]

we were so close to sub meta /cry

[plush roost]

S1 df was good but i was baby

[tribal blade]

i was cruising before aug got introduced

was pretty ahead of cutoff

[tribal blade]

that was a season i didn't make despite hard pushing

i was still not great at key pushing at that point

also that dungeon rotation was pretty poopy

[plush roost]

Idk i was still clicking my defensives in s1 df lmfao

[tribal blade]

HAHAAA

now look at you

[plush roost]

I lost a 24 azure vault or something cause i missed my cloak

And i said

Okay i need to bind this

[tribal blade]

i know someone who still clicks half her buttons

[plush roost]

And made shift+X binds

Me 2

[tribal blade]

bro get this, she SHIFT MOUSEWHEELS UP TO ACCESS DIFFERENT BARS TO CLICK

it's madness

[plush roost]

Next level gaming

[tribal blade]

it's crazy

DF S1 was weird because that was the mega reroll season

because SBG and CoS were so much easier you would just reroll all the keys you didn't want with that

or reroll your bricked key with a lower SBG to hopefully get a SBG so you could 2 chest it back to working level

i met zimbita that season from doing SBG

pretty funny, zimbita was regarded as a key troll that season

[red vortex]

what am i reading

[tribal blade]

i know it's wild

i realized that when she was screen sharing in disc

but she mains bear/boomy

so i think that helps

😉

[red vortex]

thats a gamer move

[plush roost]

Just that season?

:^) #imissdragonflight

[tribal blade]

HAHAHA

[tribal blade]

omfg every key he listed

i think midnight will be #imisstww

[plush roost]

His beta character is called imissdf

And he did 2 keys, "this clas sso bad i quit"

[vale pine]

nice

[tribal blade]

lol

he'll be back

he's way too addicted to pushing

[lilac stag]

Sorry that requires you to leave rogue.

[plush roost]

Dw i sandbagged assa all day yesterday for the #agenda

Today i make sub look broken again

-8% or smthn incoming

[tribal blade]

i'll slip you a 50 to forget every 10th gcd

[frigid light]

sorry to ask guys but why does raidbots always do backstab after shadowdance?

[halcyon pendant]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[upbeat smelt]

When are the guides for season one coming out? Like with BiS lists, and enchants, consumables, etc...

[halcyon pendant]

Airborne Irritant applies a AOE Blind effect even tho it is not mentionned in the tool tip.

I was playing trickster hero talents in M+

[swift tinsel]

SoonTM

[upbeat smelt]

Hehe ok

[swift tinsel]

iirc they're usually live on Wowhead etc a few days before the xpac goes live

[tribal blade]

i think it's unsure if that's intended or not

it's kind of crazy that rogue hasn't had aoe cc forever, then blizz is like "hey this is an issue, here's aoe blind"

and then take it away

makes absolutely no sense

[swift tinsel]

its bc they're giving us Stunning Secret trust on god fr fr

that would be quite sick though if they did lol

[halcyon pendant]

That'd be fire yeah

[swift tinsel]

stunning secret with umbral for some uncapped

[halcyon pendant]

ouf

[swift tinsel]

just sending aoe kidney on cd lol

[lilac stag]

Sir. You have it reversed.
Assa: ⛽
Sub

[graceful osprey]

Since we have shadow clones, make everything aoe. Aoe kick, aoe gouge, aoe kidney, aoe cheap shot, aoe blind, it’ll just be like we have clones spawn in and do what we are doing

[swift tinsel]

SEF but make it shadow and infinity

[lilac stag]

Ask WW how that works out for bugs

[swift tinsel]

would be cool if it was old SEF

well, old-old SEF

[lilac stag]

SEF + stealth + Sectech + shadow dmg… WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG

[fathom adder]

if i do the opener with 2 dances back to back inside of blades, my sectec in dance two will not be supercharged or be at the very end of dance ( like 2 seconds left). 35% haste, 18 sec sectec cd. Is that normal or whats the trick

[lilac stag]

It will be with lust

[fathom adder]

and without? just press it?

[lilac stag]

Hold Sectech for dance after blades

Lust = 2 dance 2 Sectech
No lust = dance + Sectech followed by dance only

[fathom adder]

thank you

[lilac stag]

np

[sullen hare]

I don't want monk spaghetti anywhere near rogues

[dense geode]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[torn tide]

during early access i assume?

[swift tinsel]

right, certainly wouldn't want any bugs with clo...oh wait

[fluid moth]

I've read this 20 times now. Can somebody explain why we do this?

• In 3+ targets wants to cancelaura :ancientarts: before every single Darkest Night Eviscerate.

[swift tinsel]

BP is better to use apex proc with

you can cancelaura Ancient Arts to leapfrog the proc to the next finisher you'll use

[fluid moth]

ahh. that makes sense. but we usually ignore darkest night evis in aoe unless we need the prio damage right?

[swift tinsel]

and since DN Evisc is very weak in aoe, its better to force the apex proc onto BP instead

with the tuning to Mass Casualty you want to consume DN

otherwise you're losing 30 sec of BP consuming mark while you wait for DN to expire

[lilac stag]

Good thing we’re not touching death stalker

[fluid moth]

ahhh okay got it! that makes sense. thank you

[swift tinsel]

np np

[fluid moth]

worst design choices ever for real

[swift tinsel]

maybe one day they'll make DN Evisc not a total negative noodle in aoe but unlikely lol

been like that since day 1

[fluid moth]

the whole thing needs a rework

[swift tinsel]

pretty much

its a very clunky system overall with Mark

[lilac stag]

DN evis triggers 67 clones

[swift tinsel]

the only parts I like personally are Singular (conceptually) and Mass Casualty

and even that isn't saying much lol

[lilac stag]

The little extra defensive is nice

[warm depot]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

Deathstalker likes to use this macro instead:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shuriken Storm

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/use 13
/use 14
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Ancestral Call

Trickster Rogues can combine Coup de Grace and Black Powder in one button:

/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black Powder

You can find more macros and details in Guides like WoWhead or Icy Veins.

[astral axle]

can confirm after 30 DN do expire

👴

[swift tinsel]

There's a lot of things they could do to make the tree feel better but ope

https://tenor.com/view/someday-spongebob-maybe-gif-4686651

[alpine wraith]

a funny thing about apex also working weirdly with coup and nimble too

[swift tinsel]

would be cool if you could get a clone proc per target hit by coup flurry

nice lil aoe bomb

have it double dip if the clone proc could proc clones like that too lol

coup hit procs clone -> 48 or whatever hits of damage in aoe

[fluid moth]

I personally think they should rework mark to work like the new find weakness but that would mean getting rid of singular. I love singular as a talent.

[swift tinsel]

eh, could have singular just attack your target

or something like that

[fluid moth]

true

[hazy breach]

Sorry sir the best i can offer is making the mark more obnoxious and harder to move

[vestal escarp]

Is it so hard in the spaghetti to make thay SS moves the mark with the remaining stacks so that sub doenst cheese in aoe?

Idk

Fr

[swift tinsel]

they blocked moving it on purpose so I don't think its related to code

idk like thematically I get wanting to be like "you really want this one target to die" but that just...doesn't really work with how the game is

and you can't just be obstinant and triple down on it to try and force it to work

[vale pine]

thanks for the improvement, hope for a lot more like this in the future /s

[swift tinsel]

hell could even make it like Demonsurge or Surging Totem where its up for a bit and mark consumption makes finishers do something cool

triggered by dance

sectech triggers double clones, evisc explodes and the aoe splash damage funnels, bp leaves a dot or something idk

or swap the bp and evisc effects actually

[narrow shadow]

Would work awesome for assa and it's many finishers

[vestal escarp]

Yeah because it became too easy for both specs to move

And when you could move it freely you had infinite stacks

Esp sin

[swift tinsel]

almost like they can have them do different things per spec

[vestal escarp]

The code limitation is to carry over stacks

[narrow shadow]

Also assa has no equivalent to Shadow Dance

[swift tinsel]

can be triggered by kingsbane or w/e

or when Implacable buff falls off after reaching max or max-1 stacks

can pace it however they want so its similar

[dense geode]

Is exhilarating Execution not interacting with nimble flurry really a bug?

I feel like that be omega op

[hazy breach]

Well it works with bp

So why would it be more op for it to work on other aoe finishers

[swift tinsel]

probs bc the nimble hits themselves don't count as a finisher

[dense geode]

BP actually hits everything though

[swift tinsel]

whitelisting that might be a headache

[dense geode]

not with nimble flurry

right?

[swift tinsel]

idk if they can make a nimble hit procced by coup be flagged differently than a nimble hit procced by an auto attack or unseen blade hit

I mean I'm sure theres a way but will they actually do that

[hazy breach]

They wont

But still

If it says "when you do finishers get X", and then you do finisher and you do not get X, id consider that a bug

[fast vigil]

Hi, guide says for st we want 35% haste, why is that? wouldnt we want to fit 2 sectecs into blades? or is that just not possible atm

[swift tinsel]

ye if they coded nimble differently it definitely should

[dense geode]

Yea I mean if nimble was a finisher id get it

Coup does get exhil tho

[swift tinsel]

nimble is the problem

bc it takes any instance of damage that procs it and turns it into Nimble Flurry hit

so it can't differentiate

if it could, then it stands to reason exhil would proc per coup hit that flurries

[dense geode]

Does evis pop exhil off nimble flurry

[swift tinsel]

Evisc doesn't flurry

just coup

[dense geode]

oh

[swift tinsel]

ye it was changed for midnight

to mirror DS aoe

[dense geode]

idk I think aoe coup not proc exhil seeems intended

I feel like you would full heal in AOE situations if that worked lol

[swift tinsel]

I think it should proc it, but that would take reworking nimble under the hood

[round latch]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-naruto-hand-sign-minato-minato-namikaze-gif-2573517212420793627

[swift tinsel]

and that's not likely to happen

[pallid jackal]

Any macro for the deathstalker prioritizations in terms of stats?

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Single Target: Versatility >= Haste(35%) > Critical Strike > Mastery
Mythic+: Mastery >= Versatility > critical strike > Haste (~20%)

[pallid jackal]

So we want versatility over getting 35% haste? @vale pine It used to be 35% first last week

[dense geode]

it says >=

[round latch]

higher or equal

[fast vigil]

what changes after 35? diminishing?

[pallid jackal]

So how do I interpret that? sorry

[swift tinsel]

get ~35% haste

[pallid jackal]

We gem for versatility all of the time then? That's what it means to me

[swift tinsel]

then get some mastery/crit

[pallid jackal]

and then versatility?

[swift tinsel]

ye

its also prepatch so it doesn't really matter what you get besides the haste value you're aiming for

and stats will be different come 90

[pallid jackal]

Shouldn't it be 35% > mastery > crit > versatility then?

[round latch]

u need 35% haste to make the spec function in that breakpoint(if u are wondering if its bad or good it sucks,any spec with stat breakpoints is bad by design) and then stack versatility equal or higher than 35%

[swift tinsel]

it doesn't really matter

[pallid jackal]

Ah I see.

[uneven scarab]

Mastery is our worst stat now iirc(but thats not saying much its still good)

[pallid jackal]

Then after that 35%, we gem for crit and mastery

[swift tinsel]

just aim for 35% haste

[uneven scarab]

Yeah essentially

[swift tinsel]

and whatever secondaries you have along with that is fine

[uneven scarab]

everything else is extra

[pallid jackal]

I've got 36% now, just optimising the rest atm

[swift tinsel]

you'll replace it all

when you level

in like two weeks

[uneven scarab]

it will also change in midnight

We’ll need less haste

[round latch]

thank the lord

[swift tinsel]

^

its only what 12-13% or 18%

[round latch]

stacking stat to make the spec work

feels disgusting

[swift tinsel]

depending on hero tree

[uneven scarab]

Like 17% or something ya

[swift tinsel]

idr which is which

[uneven scarab]

Yeah ngl i hate it

Wish they kept that to outlaw

[swift tinsel]

spread the love

class-wide haste tax plz

[round latch]

yup deranged stuff for deranged worshipers

[uneven scarab]

yeah we steal their flurry but it cosst us the haste tax

[swift tinsel]

hey we stole dreadblades too

[uneven scarab]

Trueee

[swift tinsel]

then threw it in the bin

[vale pine]

best is to sim, you usually want haste and vers till ~30-35%, haste starts to become worse then

[round latch]

outlaw has stolen almost everything from the rest 2 rogue specs

[pallid jackal]

okay

[round latch]

its actually funny,a spec without an identity

[pallid jackal]

Yeah I am optimising as best as I can now for pre-patch

[swift tinsel]

interesting choice

like pimping out a car before crashing it into a wall

[uneven scarab]

im trying to decide if i play rogue or mage in midnight

Probably just gonna flip a coin based on what my healer plays

[swift tinsel]

play both

[spice matrix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[uneven scarab]

If no one plays sham in the keys group I’ll probably end it all

[pallid jackal]

Someone please remind me, is there a way to optimize enchants / gems and stuff? Is it through raidbots?

[fallow nimbus]

Yes

But it's not worth the trouble

[pallid jackal]

why not?

[lilac stag]

We’re stacking a whole ~680 haste…. THE PAIN

[fallow nimbus]

Because you need premium for gem combinations but in the end you just gain like 0.2% finding the best combination instead of just going for a simple best stats color sim

[lilac stag]

it should have been higher than .2

[pallid jackal]

how much is premium?

[lilac stag]

you had to actually clear gems out to get raidbots to work properly with the forced at times.

[lilac stag]

it’s on the website

[onyx flame]

10$

[pallid jackal]

Ah I see it, it's about 5 euro's per month

[hollow spear]

You know that someone's cooked when their reply to "you need premium for an 0.2% gain" is "how much is premium"

[pallid jackal]

P2W okay? ..

[uneven scarab]

[onyx flame]

Or he is just not poor

[lilac stag]

how else is Beck going to get r1?

[hollow spear]

Not for long with this kind of decision making

[fallow nimbus]

In tww s3 i simmed 4 colors of mastery/vers/crit with blanks to fill the rest instead of going vers/mastery + 3 colors and the gain was really tiny

[pallid jackal]

I am just having 35% now then going for versatility

[fallow nimbus]

I have a few goldcaps so switching gems ingame doesn't bother me

[pallid jackal]

Yeah I think that's how I used to do it

[lilac stag]

For me Fury was -1% gain and sub was ~.8% for activating the crit gem proper last season

[pallid jackal]

Like at some point you get bis gear or gear that you are not going to swap out in a while, then you sim maximally for the rest

[onyx flame]

If 5€ bugs, you already made alot of wrong decisions :>

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah critdmg gem was easy

Vs just 1 color it's of course a bigger gain

[lilac stag]

I’ll 100% take the speed gem for leveling

[round latch]

im stacking cheesecake

in my belly

[lilac stag]

slap me on some nullstone embellishments

[fallow nimbus]

Nullstone?

[lilac stag]

Depending on your lactose tolerance that could be more or less painful than stacking 680 haste

[fallow nimbus]

What sucks is that professions reset to 0 skill

[round latch]

ive got high tolerance judging i ate half of it and im feeling wonderful

smol time out to finish t off

we dont leave food,ever

[lilac stag]

Blasphemite effectiveness increased 25%

[uneven scarab]

I wonder if engi will actually be useful this time outside of the res

[steel wyvern]

Sapzilla just ate half of a whole cheesecake?

[lilac stag]

Don’t ask questions you already know the answers to

[fallow nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-gif-5593954

[torn tide]

man dont u guys just love watching ur dps drop to nothing in ST

[craggy fractal]

My stats are shit rn but between tuesday and yesterday I feel like i've lost a ton of dps, idk how it feels with the nerfs if your stats are ok

[main creek]

it's so fun doing tank damage

haha

kill me

[torn tide]

real

[torpid echo]

I was playing assa and changed to sub cuz assa was doing tank dps, now they made sub and assa do tank damage kekw

[torn tide]

well my stats are fine but its still ass damage

[craggy fractal]

exactly what i was expecting

[torn tide]

if they dont change shit by midnight i might just havw to go play another class lmfao

how did they even make it this bad

[narrow shadow]

On top of all the BS we have to deal with

Now we have to fight for daggers against surv hunters

since its their BiS weapons

[craggy fractal]

don't worry, there are even less surv hunter than sub

[narrow shadow]

are there tho

I see them everywhere these days

there's 3 in my guild

on my raid roster

[iron whale]

is it me or suddenly it feels like abilities are more energy hungry?
I can't even get into a fight and throw an Evi now that I'm out of energy wtf

[narrow shadow]

We don't run vigor anymore compared to preprepatch

Welcome to classic

and also symbols used to restore energy

but in dance it's all right

[iron whale]

btw I think visually, shadow clones should be more visible and DO SOMETHING rather than just stand there when they appear

[hollow spear]

Could probably play subway surfers between dances and still parse purple

[uneven scarab]

I love my purple fart clouds!

[narrow shadow]

I've been saying for years wwe should have clones like Zed from league

[iron whale]

IMO they should embrace full void and we should go full Princess Ky'Veza style

add clones, void portals, void rushes

I'm talking REAL clones btw

not purple farts

[robust saddle]

hey guys, just to confirm .. we're back in improved ambush instead of tight spender correct? i read before that SS damage wasnt as high to be worth running IA

[narrow shadow]

pls no more void

But admitedtly that's what I was hoping devourer should be

Instead we got big blue illidan with big blue balls

[iron whale]

admitedly I was hoping they gave us a new void hero class rather than having an already existing one given a bullshit sloppy spec unfinished like DevDH

[iron whale]

yes 80% recycled from Havoc

except blue

I wanted a new edgy 100% void class