subtlety

[red vortex]

in pre-patch

instead of finding more %

[steep raven]

I went overboard

[haughty mural]

im desperately craving for any haste i can get before raid today

gimme some

[red vortex]

is that natty haste?

or with buffs

like manaoil, flasks, food

[steep raven]

Algari mana oil is the only buff active

[red vortex]

damn, i can only reach 36% with haste food,flask,manaoil

[steep raven]

Without it

[red vortex]

then dont use manaoil

cus that is enough

[haughty mural]

wax 'em

[steep raven]

But what's the point in those 0.61s? This ain't giving you a GCD

[alpine wraith]

it scales with haste

also it can give you a gcd depending

globals have some leeway

[steep raven]

yeah, lag etc, but not .61s

[alpine wraith]

and there is also coup that takes 1.2 instead of 1

you would be surprised the amount of people that lose gcds by 0.2 not even 0.6

[steep raven]

Well, I'm planning to run mana oil, so I'll cut it a bit so mana oil compensates

[alpine wraith]

it will be a funny thing to calculate

and the worst thing is after doing the math you have to try and see if you can do it consistently

otherwise you lose value xd

[steep raven]

I'll just change a couple of gems drop it maybe by 1%

[lilac stag]

amateur number

[alpine wraith]

the extender

[stable mulch]

do we still do backstab as first generator during shadow dance?

[alpine wraith]

nope

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq for a quick rundown

[lilac stag]

You had your mastery. I’m shooting for the Sectech every dance. No whammy.

[steep raven]

What's your sectec cd?

[reef walrus]

you said haste?

[graceful osprey]

It would be funny and interesting to see later in midnight how long we can extend shadow dance. I’d like to see a 20+ second shadow dance for the lols

[steep raven]

There's prob a DR at some point

[hazy breach]

I mean now were pretty much at peak secondaries

But yes secondary stats have diminishing returns on them when you stack too much

[reef walrus]

even with the silly amount of haste I can stack & TFD the longest I could get dance to was 16.6 seconds

we'll have to wait until the last patch of midnight before we'd be able to reach this amount of stats again, if it's even possible

[lilac stag]

What’s it natty?

[reef walrus]

that was with only mana oils on

I have the heavy haste neck & ring from hardmode, the haste ring from dimmy mythic & then threw haste on every single piece, including a sacbrood etc

completely useless for actually doing damage, but I wanted to see if I could get my dance to last longer than it's cooldown

[lilac stag]

gotcha.

Yeah I just care if you can get Sectech to sync with supercharged cp

[hazy breach]

Fwiw i realized this is slightly wrong for all the values above 1320, as i forgot to account for the dminishing returns

[haughty mural]

Can you ?

[lilac stag]

you should be able to

At least on prepatch

[haughty mural]

how would i know. i got 15% right now

[lilac stag]

play your priest?

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

Apparently I was the smart one stashing away haste gear for outlaw

[haughty mural]

as soon as i'll come, I'll try to get squeeze every single point of haste from everywhere

(now that i know i can start recraft orders without acuity) (:

[haughty mural]

i wasn't smart in s3

[steel spindle]

its so mean to keep it there

like what am i gonna do. use symbols?

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-26004005

[chrome palm]

which vanish do you like

[lilac stag]

New expansion. New you.

[chrome palm]

essential cooldown vanish or utility cooldown vanish

[steel spindle]

yes

[chrome palm]

you also have to appreciate the two coup de grace trackers

[haughty mural]

[chrome palm]

instead of making an escalating blade tracker that changes icon to coup de grace, they opted to have an escalating blade tracker and a separate eviscerate icon that changes to coup de grace

[steel spindle]

i gotta let go of the ego

[chrome palm]

has anyone figured out what backstab is supposed to be in the cd manager

is that old perf veins

[steel spindle]

i am not my abilities my abilities are not me

https://tenor.com/view/what-about-bob-bill-murray-gif-21957941

[haughty mural]

as long as we get FW any day now

[chrome palm]

if we get backstab in dance then yes fw would be nice

or even storm in dance

[hazy breach]

Yes

[chrome palm]

im guessing theyll do another wave of cdm data soon™

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

[lilac stag]

Ngl I had fun on fury. Going to miss it a little, but I’m generally good with any of the rogue specs. Not so much Warrior.

[kind river]

is there a "known bugs" list somewhere

[swift tinsel]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[kind river]

I'm trying to figure out how I did an entire gallywix kill with no hero talents working

as deathstalker

mind you, this content is old shit so it didn't matter

just curious

[swift tinsel]

there is a bug with mark just disappearing

[kind river]

oh yep, bug spotted on the list

gg

[swift tinsel]

ye we're spoiled for choice

lmao

[bright sundial]

I need apex to come now I want my clones now

Also the other half of shadowcraft

[swift tinsel]

can't wait to send strikes with full cp with apex

[hazy breach]

Id be surprised if that doesnt get nuked

Ngl

[swift tinsel]

ye same

will find some way to brick that

same with cancelauraing the buff like with dn

friction

[steel spindle]

i wont miss flag though

[warm marlin]

so many flag haters

rip my beloved

[swift tinsel]

sounds like a false flag operation my guy

no one's ever called it their beloved

[steel spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYBeTZfc4QA

This man is spitting facts

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/this-pointing-finger-pointing-up-so-just-like-that-gif-23250443

[haughty mural]

I feel you

[lilac stag]

Ain’t no one got time for 14 minute YouTube that can be summed up in a paragraph. gg

[lilac stag]

It’s just too volatile when it comes to what plays like what unfortunately.

[steel spindle]

your short attention span deserves those 4 buttons.

[lilac stag]

you counting skills are something kindergartners would laugh at.

[steel spindle]

sorry I'm not use to counting that high:(

[lilac stag]

2 builder + 2 spenders + 3 baseline CDs + 1 optional CD is a little more than 4

if you don’t like the spec, or the game, shop around.

[steel spindle]

I know I'm just still processing my loss

I just resubbed after a year and its all stripped and also the addons

But I'm not gonna give up

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/katniss-katniss-everdeen-the-hunger-games-jennifer-lawrence-solidarity-in-sisterhood-gif-11312108

I think I'm in my 12th UI iteration as of last night lol

since prepatch

[lilac stag]

Fun fact. Most non-regulars in here drop sub as soon as assa is even remotely close in damage tuning, and it’s still the less brains needed to play spec.

[steel spindle]

its like a lost parts of me but maybe those parts were never really a part of me . apart from the parts.

[steel spindle]

I will die on this sub hill sadly.

[lilac stag]

do what everyone else does. Try another class, then come back and realize sub is just a vibe going into MN

[steel spindle]

I know I will. it happens everytime lol

I though about it for an hour though.

I've played these games before!

[vale pine]

i am not 100% sure the sin/sub discussion is super accurate

[lilac stag]

So let’s just cut to the ending.
🤝

[vale pine]

because when i looked at play rate, it very much went 100% tuning dependent

over one xpac

[swift tinsel]

you'd have to pay me to play midnight assassination

[lilac stag]

People hop off sub as soon as it’s close

[opal basalt]

Don’t rogue players usually have one spec of the three that they don’t wanna touch?

[steel spindle]

I just wish they would give us more roguey abilities

[shrewd lantern]

just say outlaw

[opal basalt]

For me it’s assa for sure

[vale pine]

problem is

it was never close ^^

[opal basalt]

Nah I actually like outlaw

[steel spindle]

the ass train is a popular one lol

[swift tinsel]

I'd actually take outlaw over assassination going into the next xpac

[opal basalt]

Before and after prepatch

[shrewd lantern]

i mean assa is technically easier

but it also has execute

so if sin and sub are on paper the same performance wise

[steel spindle]

if sub is 4 buttons ass is 2

ratio wise

[swift tinsel]

the envenom simulator train continues

[vale pine]

it was historically true that people would switch away to sin because you have lower skill expression and high floor, so just keeping up bleeds was enough to be competitive

[steel spindle]

mutmutenvmutmutenv

[shrewd lantern]

envenom train sim is actually more important now

[vale pine]

i don't think this will be true in midnight tho

[shrewd lantern]

the apex rewards you for chaining several envs in a short window

[vale pine]

because lets not sugar coat it, all specs/classes are now playable for casual players

[steel spindle]

no gouge and now no rupture:(

I might play on my monk for a bit though.

I know I'll be back though tomorrow

[swift tinsel]

I'm still alt shopping lol

[steel spindle]

I'm thinking of boosting a warrior or dk

[opal basalt]

I’m gonna stick to rogue because outlaw and sub are definitely cool still and we didn’t have a rogue in guild yet

[swift tinsel]

uhdk is on the shortlist bc its thematically awesome

havoc is also quite fun with inertia builds

[shrewd lantern]

i mean you can still take gouge

[sour horizon]

Enhance sham is also really enjoyable

[shrewd lantern]

dont you just drop nightstalker movespeed

[steel spindle]

that 20% does feel hot 🥵

[lilac stag]

You can only polish a turd so well.

[hazy breach]

Theres a fuckton of talents you can remove for it

Not just movespeed in stealth

[steel spindle]

Sorry, I must have missed it

[hazy breach]

But as of now blind is still aoe with Airborne, so no point taking gouge really

[shrewd lantern]

i liked how i saw someone link a "class cooldowns sheet"

and i see

[swift tinsel]

was trying out awang's cp/energy addon and I find it to be pretty solid. Can't adjust the space between the cp and energy bars yet but we'll see if that gets added

also back to tweaksui lol

[lilac stag]

I’m genuinely excited for short rapid dance burst.

[swift tinsel]

tried better cdm but can't adjust icon x/y independently so thats a no-go for me

[shrewd lantern]

its a bit funny how much the general playerbase has no idea how rogue works

[hazy breach]

Nothing changed in the CD department though

[swift tinsel]

reading even half a message on the forums confirms this constantly lol

[hazy breach]

Its the same as its been since 10.2

[shrewd lantern]

do you actually run double vanish in raid

as sin now

[graceful rock]

No

[hazy breach]

Well vanish isnt even a cooldown anyway

But yea

[shrewd lantern]

its just funny a "general class cds" list has it

not realizing double vanish is a class talent

not spec

[lilac stag]

How would dbl vanish help spam envenom?

[vale pine]

2x vanish was exclusive to sub

[steel spindle]

da crit from the legendary

[vale pine]

tho like many other things, was given to everyone^^

[shrewd lantern]

yeah it would help ma and if double improve garroting was a thing

but nope

[steel spindle]

I miss that

[shrewd lantern]

i feel more often than not assa has moved to env spam

for raid in most tiers

[steel spindle]

it feels like nothing has changed since legion lmfao

[shrewd lantern]

you get one season where rupture and garrote contribute meaningfully

then they just exist for vw

[lilac stag]

Their fault for crucifying my boy.

[shrewd lantern]

i mean yeah

outside of exsang tiers bleeds just exist as damage procs for energy

[reef walrus]

I miss the initial legion prepatch exsang at 400% speed

[lilac stag]

they got a taste of 90 seconds last season. GTFO. Sit on your 2 minutes.

[steel spindle]

that was dope

[ripe flame]

Bleeds seem to be slightly decent on beta, not op but their damage is not irrelevant

[shrewd lantern]

i mean first seasons bleeds have always done the most imo

[steel spindle]

I'll play around on outlaw soon

[shrewd lantern]

then env powercreeps it

like its a bit weird to me when sub rupture was doing more

often

[ripe flame]

Well no more of that at least (?

[shrewd lantern]

i still press my rupture bind on sub

out of habit

way too often

[ripe flame]

Phantom pains frfr

[haughty mural]

Spitting facts today

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/chinchilla-shorts-linus-tread-lightly-chinpals-gif-17759785898863188411

@swift tinsel did you try cooldown manager centered yet?

[swift tinsel]

I did in the very early days of beta but it was conflicting a lot with other addons so I haven't come back to it since then

[lilac stag]

I’ll try that one today. Maybe one more.

I still hate elvui lol

[vestal escarp]

I am using that

[swift tinsel]

I'm in the very annoying zone of finding one or two things with each of the cdm addons that don't quite meet what I'm looking for, and those things are all different across addons lol

[lilac stag]

Thoughts?

[vestal escarp]

It does very little and weights very little

Not bad

[lilac stag]

Can you remove icon from bars?

[vestal escarp]

The thing about that addon is

[vestal escarp]

Yeah....?

[swift tinsel]

like BCDM is very nice and easy, but I can't make the icons shorter. arc ui is flexible and useful, but bugs out frequently and doesn't display text/cds, tweaksui is very simple and effective but reorders my cds that take several /reloads to fix

[vestal escarp]

I think you can do that in cdm by default

[lilac stag]

maybe I missed it.

The bars were not editable in base for me

[swift tinsel]

plus some don't work with masque

so I'm 90% sure I'm gonna have to just pick one and deal with whatever negative quirks are associated with it

[vestal escarp]

The good thing about cdm centered is managing profiles

[lilac stag]

My biggest headache with arc is the groups just not flowing from spec to spec

[swift tinsel]

yep

or if you copy a profile to a different spec/class each slot still has the icon from the previous

[lilac stag]

Hell even hero to hero

[swift tinsel]

so you see little 2's or 3's on all of them

and have to clear out that clutter on literally every single icon that shares a space with another from a different spec/class

and sometimes if you click and drag the icons to reorder them in the bar they just jump around to wherever they want anyways

or don't line up where you set the x/y

[lilac stag]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/myessentialbufftracker/gallery

[swift tinsel]

arc ui can do SO much but it can also fuck up SO much

[lilac stag]

assuming its the way its coded

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'm basically just version checking to see what bugs get fixed whenever arc/tweak/bcdm push updates at this point

which will probably be the case all the way up to midnight proper

if not after

[vale pine]

it will take a while for addons to stabalize

expected

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[lilac stag]

like sensei is great, but if you dont turn off smooth animations on the CPs it looks awful

theyre so lagged

[swift tinsel]

so right now I'm pretty much just shopping around to see what all of them have to offer

yeah that's why I wanted to try out awang's cp/energy one which seems to update faster

but its still brand new

tried editing the lua to reduce the space between the cp and energy bar but to no avail

[warm marlin]

wangbar

[swift tinsel]

I like it

it actually allows cp color editing

conditional*

unlike sensei

it is funny though when you want to edit it in the Addons menu and it just fucking disappears lol

[astral axle]

Sensei has been making some improvements, so I wouldn't rule it out just yet. Just added a whirlwind stacks tracker base for fury which is very pog

[heady dragon]

wait, do you still need a /cancleaura Shadow Dance macro if you wanna stealth with dance active?

[lilac stag]

no

[eager latch]

are we going to run double murder row fishook?

that shit goes kinda crazy on beta

[swift tinsel]

not fully abandoning yet, just shopping around

[astral axle]

also I use cdmcentered and with it (and base UI) you can remove icons from buff bars

[heady dragon]

why is stealth blocked then

or am i just stuck in combat for 9 years

probs that

[lilac stag]

youre in combat

hit dance hit stealth, enjoy supercharged cps

[heady dragon]

no i mean

going into stealth while dance is running

[lilac stag]

i just said that

literal precombat. 1. Hit dance. 2. While dance is active I hit stealth. 3. profit

[swift tinsel]

I think they mean you can't stealth while dance is active

[eager latch]

this shit seems strong in cleave as well

that's x2 fishook

[lilac stag]

idk i was not having any issue doing it precombat

[swift tinsel]

hm then they must have changed it

[uneven scarab]

definitely have not been able to enter stealth during dance ever, that would be big news if they changed that

[swift tinsel]

that's why I'm skeptical

[lilac stag]

maybe all my haste makes it possible

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[lilac stag]

or between all my ui swaps an old macro ended up on stealth kb lol who knows

[steel spindle]

you forgot to hit them with the Step 3. ???

man i was scrolled really far up wow

[haughty mural]

What are you using ?

[lilac stag]

Likely Uuf

[uneven scarab]

im on uuf for now

Elv is perma dead to me

[haughty mural]

Ya same

[lilac stag]

Just got shared media going again

Need to get skulllfloerr textures

[tender dust]

What addon does this? Wangbar?

[swift tinsel]

yeah

I like it a lot though, like I mentioned though just the gap between cp and energy not being shrinkable my only complaint

[slate lantern]

All my homies exclusively use wangbar

[swift tinsel]

didn't his psu die like right after uploading it too lol

[crystal bone]

how are you allowed the name Diddyplug but my guildie gets 24 hr ban for Thepeepeeman

[graceful rock]

any details wizards know how to get a transparent title bar?

I tried turning the opacity to 0 and the standard one was showing

[torn tide]

LOLLLL

[haughty mural]

for ?

[lilac stag]

I like the look of skullflower bars

[haughty mural]

oh sorry, yeah ofc bars

btw: how do i turn acuity off ?

[kind bluff]

So im confused. I finally logged on rogue. Do we still force sectec with the empowered combo points? Or can we use at the end of the second dance during shadow blades?

Or do we pop the 3rd dance for the empowered sectec?

[uneven scarab]

Ideally you supercharge sectech yes

[runic verge]

Anyone else afraid you're gonna get bored of this spec in prog?

[kind bluff]

But is it worth waiting just a second for the third dance to sectech or squeeze in the last second of the secind dance in shadowblades

Guess I can go pillage through logs

[uneven scarab]

would just wait till third dance

better to supercharge ur sectech

[lilac stag]

This has basic for you #subtlety-faq

[jolly sleet]

would it be right to say that :

• sometimes i dance without sec tech (typically during shadow blades)
• all my sec tech happen during dance?

wasn't clear corrected it

[lilac stag]

Only time you dance without Sectech is second cast in blades

[torn tide]

only sectec during dance

[lilac stag]

Sectech is first finisher (or second) in every dance

[jolly sleet]

okay thats what I understood from faq yup

so my macro end up being :

#showtooltip
/use [mod:alt] 13
/use [mod:alt] Potion
/cast Danse de l’ombre
/cast [mod:alt] Lames de l’ombre
/cast [mod] Technique secrète

• when pressing alt I go all out
• when pressing ctrl/shift (mouse modifiers) I just sec tech dance
• when not pressing any modifier I only dance

[lilac stag]

[torn tide]

nice french

[lilac stag]

my brain just melted

[leaden prairie]

freench

[jolly sleet]

oh fuck

[haughty mural]

i swear to god something did not let me send orders without acuity - i just turned off all addons and it worked

like

[jolly sleet]

they discovered i'm a baguette

[lilac stag]

I couldn’t upgrade without crests even though it said zero needed.

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

Fucking copilot developed game

[uneven scarab]

[jolly sleet]

eh I want that

[haughty mural]

[uneven scarab]

can just upgrade the leggo from sl

and use it

[jolly sleet]

new rogue bow spec

[lilac stag]

Should try to upgrade our old legendary daggers

[uneven scarab]

True actually i legit have banshees blight in my bags

[lilac stag]

If the modifiers work for you sure. My brain not a fan of modifiers.

[torn tide]

i dont even know how to get that

[uneven scarab]

Its the hunter bow from sylvanas

[steel spindle]

♥ my beloved

[jolly sleet]

just to be sure : do we build cps before dancing ?

[uneven scarab]

I see that voice of the silent star

GOATED cape

[uneven scarab]

trickster likes to yes, ds likes to dance at low cp for some reason that im not aware of still

[lilac stag]

Go into dance with zero or 6+

[haughty mural]

also:

ist that buggy ?

it does say i dont have enough

[scarlet heath]

yes it requires crests even if it says it doesnt

bugged

[haughty mural]

oh that what scath meant

great

[scarlet heath]

and even if it says it needs like 10

it actually eats 15

[haughty mural]

https://klipy.com/gifs/twitching-dreyfus

me right now

i just wanted to prep for tonight

[lilac stag]

you need the crests

get to delves!

[haughty mural]

i fear i dont have time for that

[lilac stag]

convert old crests

[haughty mural]

im poor

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/rainn-wilson-crying-tears-depressed-unhappy-gif-15679110

[haughty mural]

the only thing i have is gold..

thats why i last minuted an entropy

[lilac stag]

i didnt try fixing it, but maybe take all your gear off. do a naked lap around Dorm, re-equip and see if it registers the discount

[haughty mural]

on it

[lilac stag]

ima fall over if it works

[haughty mural]

it didnt

[lilac stag]

A for effort

[haughty mural]

was so close

[lilac stag]

did you do gems and enchants?

[haughty mural]

did

maybe haste flask

[lilac stag]

ye

[haughty mural]

and wearing the ring on 157

[lilac stag]

you could do the extra haste rings that cut down another stat

[uneven scarab]

Im at 25% haste and i feel like i need way more ngl

[lilac stag]

33 felt like the minimum

40 feels like overkill

[uneven scarab]

i gotta get a haste neck

thats what im missing tbh

[tough solar]

How big of a DPS increase is a night elf over human? in %

[hazy breach]

Not at all

[uneven scarab]

human is more stats no

[lilac stag]

alchemical boosts it up to 44 lol

[uneven scarab]

even though it doesnt matter rofl

[hazy breach]

But generally racials are within 1 - 1.5% of each other. Nelf is typically on the lower end and human tends to be on the higher end during the last season of the expac

[lilac stag]

i didn't try troll racial

i should do that on beta

[uneven scarab]

nelf is 1% haste or crit and human is 2% more all secondary

[dry plank]

troll power

[lilac stag]

the lack of footware for the dogs is a turnoff

[uneven scarab]

i believe

[hazy breach]

well human is 2% more stats

[uneven scarab]

yeah

Human bis anyways

best mogs

[dry plank]

orcs?

maghars?

[uneven scarab]

close second

[lilac stag]

orcs getting that pet dmg

[dry plank]

its 1%

[lilac stag]

does the pet dmg work on the clones?

[dry plank]

was 5

[uneven scarab]

I think fuu was supposed to check

bc they did have some tag

[haughty mural]

@lilac stag

[hazy breach]

Sectech yes

Clones no

[uneven scarab]

makes perfect sense

[uneven scarab]

He’s done it

[haughty mural]

without the entropy i bought

[dry plank]

what are these stats omg is it with flask and oil?

[uneven scarab]

Are we running secondary wep enchants now or is radiant power still best

[haughty mural]

yes

[lilac stag]

i did depths

tempted to run a 118 OH with Gale

[uneven scarab]

I have one depths one radiant just cuz its what i have

i was also tempted to try gale

[lilac stag]

but i got distracted playing UI Dev

[haughty mural]

thats with entropy ring

not worth it i think

[uneven scarab]

Think i need to get that haste crit neck

From tazavesh

[lilac stag]

lingering trinkets still crack me up

[uneven scarab]

Fact its still a thing after all this time

Just proves how much blizzard loves us

[lilac stag]

whoops no cya next tues

if only DM wasnt a pain in the ass to move

[hazy breach]

Should be a beta patch today

But i wouldnt count on that getting fixed

[lilac stag]

we're stuck in DM hellscape

[uneven scarab]

idk how i feel about dm now

[haughty mural]

my next pain point is trinkets

probs runnig forge and lily

[lilac stag]

i hate it on reclears

shit dies so fast

[uneven scarab]

I have tickling sack and prism currently

[uneven scarab]

Ya agreed

[haughty mural]

and hope i'll get a use on the lily

[lament sinew]

hey quick question, is pooling before dances a thing ?

[graceful rock]

trying to make a rogue bingo card for today

i need 4 more ideas

[uneven scarab]

You can pool some sht sure

[lament sinew]

cool

[hazy breach]

In prepatch no

[lilac stag]

i would strike and immediately use swifty macro. forget the evis for snd

[hazy breach]

In midnight ye

[uneven scarab]

ye its not really that relevant till midnight

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

on dimy target the adds in p1 and land before the tank so you just delete all of them

[haughty mural]

this crest bug thing really bugs me out extremely

[lilac stag]

you should have forge back for burn

and depending on dps you'll get a lily in with a dance

[haughty mural]

well on dimy i could also play prism

all the other bosses will rough

[shrewd lantern]

screams seems insanely gamba

lmao

[lilac stag]

projector is the way

[shrewd lantern]

yeah never got that one

[lilac stag]

since i was on warrior, i didnt spend any rogue chips

was going to buy projector and got it in vault

[shrewd lantern]

i got screams since only bought 1 dinar item

in season

[lilac stag]

i should buy mythic boots

[uneven scarab]

oh shit lmfao

My rogue doesn’t even have boots still

[shrewd lantern]

maybe i get projector in vault

[uneven scarab]

[shrewd lantern]

some weirdo wanted to buy 6/8

so we cleared the whole raid

[lilac stag]

🤝

[uneven scarab]

I completely forgot ngl

been playing too much ww/arcane

[haughty mural]

me thinks thats what im gonna use most of the night

[lilac stag]

hope you have crests

[haughty mural]

and just pray for a use of lily

[celest mulch]

So i guess now the hardest part of playing rogue or even sub is finding something to do to keep you entertained during you 123 rotation

[hazy breach]

Theres still some stuff to do

You just arent completely fucked if you dont, like in tww

[radiant swift]

what are these things u speak off

[shrewd lantern]

pace is probably decent with these short kill times

[celest mulch]

being positive and optimistic it is going to be nice to focus fully on mechanics

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq

[celest mulch]

like not having to worry about rotational things at all

[hazy breach]

Has a section about it

[uneven scarab]

like i said i hope that last raid is hard as fuck

in midnight

[celest mulch]

I have a feeling theyre going to be pretty hard

[uneven scarab]

otherwise its a zzzz tier

[radiant swift]

oh shit is that new

[shrewd lantern]

Idk what happened but coup doesnt glow when its ready to use

[lilac stag]

worry more about which builder / spender in dance now more than you did in tww

[shrewd lantern]

like it did in tww

[lilac stag]

blizzard copilot code happened

[shrewd lantern]

so just spaghetti?

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[celest mulch]

Not sure if you guys have seen this btw... His rogue ones are pretty on point https://www.luxthos.com/cooldown-manager-profiles-world-of-warcraft-midnight/

[shrewd lantern]

if i go on something like warrior my rampage still glows

if its useable

[torn tide]

im so cooked lol, everyone is like lvl 165+ and im here at 140 cuz i started the season late

[lilac stag]

i mean, warrior has had about 40x more blue text than rogue has during beta

[haughty mural]

you'll get there 💪

i could also do 170

[shrewd lantern]

170 is no embellish

which likely isnt ideal

[uneven scarab]

when does rogue ever have more than about 2 lines of text(sub especially)

[torn tide]

no point anymore ngl, just gonna wait till midnight where the gear there makes the current gear irrelevant

[shrewd lantern]

I really like how they readded lingering bug

[swift tinsel]

now you're talking

[haughty mural]

exactly

[lilac stag]

nerfs

[shrewd lantern]

though i mostly been using screams+SH trinket

[torn tide]

lmfao

[uneven scarab]

So true

[shrewd lantern]

sometimes forge over screams if barely over 1min

[celest mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/bingo-tarantino-thats-a-bingo-gif-16052246

@lilac stag you been good bro?

Havent loitered about here in a while was just asking how you are 😛

[vital sage]

do I pop forge weaver first or projector

on pull

[uneven scarab]

You want projector to be in ur lingering window

[lilac stag]

ya know, just fighting facism in america. trying to vibe to sub (I'm enjoying the changes)

[lilac stag]

forge with blades, projector after blades

[shrewd lantern]

gamba for screams procs

[lilac stag]

only for those without projector L

[shrewd lantern]

i get in vault trust

[haughty mural]

oh i could also do that i just figured

[uneven scarab]

nelths call is giving 100 main stat btw

[shrewd lantern]

isnt that trinket’s proc rate awful

it was in df

[uneven scarab]

Eh i wouldnt saw awful

[shrewd lantern]

i used it most of aberrus

[uneven scarab]

It was like 30-35% uptime iirc

[shrewd lantern]

what i really want to try messing with

[uneven scarab]

Helm enchant works as well

[shrewd lantern]

is a df s4 nick of time

[uneven scarab]

ohhh true

[shrewd lantern]

with bfa enchant for 15% attackspeed

[haughty mural]

i just realized my belt does not have a socket

[dry plank]

Shame on you

[shrewd lantern]

nick was like a flat 1% dam

for the proc iirc

[haughty mural]

good thing im a keeper

[sinful island]

Why do we cast sd b4 sb? Like does it matter when sb is b4 sd in the macro?

[haughty mural]

we did the 35%

[lilac stag]

[haughty mural]

and cata the belt

[sullen hare]

Yep belt and shoulder cata was free haste

[haughty mural]

dont even need to cata the shoulders

and could though and run alchemical chaos again

endless possibilities now that remembered catalyst exists

[lilac stag]

[limpid sage]

What’s the diff between st and m+ stat splits on st?

Approx if anyone knows

[mellow hedge]

dang i forgot about cata

[haughty mural]

without haste flask now

[mellow hedge]

im too fast now

[haughty mural]

we are so barrack

[subtle urchin]

can someone help me on how to get my Reshi Wraps

[sullen hare]

First time or an alt

[subtle urchin]

first time, brand new to the game '

someone told me it was from the book in Valdraken. I did some recap thing that skipped me to chapter 14 in the War Within campaign

[sullen hare]

Just on the right as you enter the dornogal main hall with the portals you should see vereesa I think with khadgar etc

Absolutely not valdrakken it's in dornogal

[subtle urchin]

well im in dornogal

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/obama-biden-gotcha-yeah-finger-gif-13282236

God I wish

[sullen hare]

Let me see if I can find the exact breadcrumb but I bet wowhead has a guide

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/the-war-within/reshii-wraps-artifact-cloak-unlock-upgrade

[haughty mural]

praying for you guys

[sullen hare]

Did you unlock access to ka'resh at all @subtle urchin

[subtle urchin]

yea

[sullen hare]

Oh

Go to ka'resh and fly down to reshii guy island then. Let me mark up a map

[charred girder]

How is Subletly feeling going into Midnight?

[lilac stag]

I went an updated my govt id this morning. Passport is next on the list.

[sullen hare]

@subtle urchin go talk to this guy

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/vibby-vibby-vibes-vibes-gif-22617156

[haughty mural]

🤞

[charred girder]

I suppose that's good ? 😛

[subtle urchin]

@sullen hare

[sullen hare]

It's been under your nose the whole time

[subtle urchin]

no f'ing way lmfao

[lilac stag]

When MAGA starts blaming guns as the problem, I know we’re fucked.

[haughty mural]

atleast bovino is gonezo

right?

[lilac stag]

out of public view

Gone, tbd

[haughty mural]

fair

[lilac stag]

There’s about 5 puppets that all need to go

[haughty mural]

thats true.. and i hope they will follow asap

[sullen hare]

Thought crime isn't illegal yet thankfully

[lilac stag]

I wish someone would just leak all the Epstein shit.

[sullen hare]

Burn the shit down

[lilac stag]

like wtf is in there

[haughty mural]

but i doubt we get all the freshest news over here

[lilac stag]

they basically seized tiktok in the states

[sullen hare]

Nothing that is gonna hurt the public is in there outside of scarring them from reading it

Are people migrating off of it to rednote or whatever again?

[lilac stag]

I think most are trying to goto substack

[sullen hare]

Isn't substack a paid content platform like patreon and OF?

[safe tundra]

learning sub, is it worth it to just put shadowstrike and backstab on the same button and the only difference is you use one or the other depending on if ur stealthed or not

[sullen hare]

I've never interacted with it

[safe tundra]

or is there a reason to cast backstab while in stealth

[sullen hare]

Yes that's fine

You never backstab in SD right now

[lilac stag]

AFAIK you can do both

[safe tundra]

what about eviscerate and shadowstrike?

[lilac stag]

I haven’t messed with it.

[safe tundra]

is it worth it to ever cast eviscerate in stealth

[sullen hare]

Evisc and shadowstrike are fundamentally different spells

[uneven scarab]

thats ur stealth builder yes

[safe tundra]

oh wait im getting mixed up in the names

[sullen hare]

Evisc and coup work that way though

[lilac stag]

be kind to the kitty

[uneven scarab]

backstab is only used in 1 target outside of dance to build cp

its never used otherwise

[safe tundra]

i meant evis and coup

[haughty mural]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[sullen hare]

Then yes evisc and coup share a button

[safe tundra]

yes, i am a feral transitioning to rogue next season

[sullen hare]

Well you picked one of the easier ones to learn

[swift tinsel]

swapping off feral right as they get trickster passives, bold move

[uneven scarab]

[swift tinsel]

their apex is a literal "copy my homework but don't make it too obvious" lol

[uneven scarab]

oh i saw

[safe tundra]

im still probably pushing keys as feral

[uneven scarab]

and im pissed

but its okay

[sullen hare]

As much as I appreciate my feral mains for sharing a cell next to us in suffering prison, anyone improving their mental is always good

[safe tundra]

but im playing rogue in raid since people need the buff

well debuff

[swift tinsel]

I was messing around with it a little bit the other day and its not insanely different

pretty fun

[safe tundra]

i played sin in s1

so its not too big of a jump for me, im just trying to learn sub as well

[swift tinsel]

getting locked into 5cp feels so unnatural though lol

[uneven scarab]

sin is definitely alot closer, sub you have essentially 0 to track now

like 0 maintenance buffs

[safe tundra]

lowkey tho sub feels weird because during my "burst" window i just spam finishers half the time, am i playing wrong or is it like that

[uneven scarab]

nope thats the spec

[swift tinsel]

nah that's pretty much the vibe

[sullen hare]

That's pretty typical

[swift tinsel]

you get flooded with cp/shadow techniques stacks

[uneven scarab]

sub’s all about making the most of that window though

[swift tinsel]

so you can effectively just build-spend til dance/blades is over

[sullen hare]

Then it's a little bit of backstab soup but not nearly as bad as tww s3

[safe tundra]

and in this situation id wait for secret technique to be up to use the dance again?

[swift tinsel]

ye with higher dance uptime the soup isn't as watery

[safe tundra]

and then for my bigger burst id align secret technique and blades

as well as 2x dances?

[uneven scarab]

yep

[safe tundra]

wow ok

[swift tinsel]

well, you can use dance with it still having a little bit of cd left as long as you supercharge the cast of secret technique

[uneven scarab]

it’s quite simple now

[safe tundra]

fair enough

im chilling

[uneven scarab]

yeah you can go dance->evis->tech

[swift tinsel]

but ye as long as you supercharge secret technique you're stylin

[uneven scarab]

just make sure to always supercharge tech

[lilac stag]

We’re pretty chill here. Be careful in outlaw channel.

Sub has a good vibe going into MN

[tropic aspen]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty mural]

if we get 35% haste for tonight we are vibing ye

[swift tinsel]

me vibing with 20% haste and a dream

[lilac stag]

just wait til you have WF

[haughty mural]

[uneven scarab]

man…. Thats what ive been missing

no wf in keys

my shaman hasnt been playing

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel not being able to hide buff until it’s active on CDC kinda pants

[swift tinsel]

can you at least desaturate them?

otherwise that's gross and I hate it

[lilac stag]

Only the utility ones

[safe tundra]

hmm is there a macro i can make that switches the backstab and shadowstrike depending if my dance is up?

[swift tinsel]

ew that sucks

[lilac stag]

Unless I’m missing something.

[safe tundra]

if i use vanish my bar switches so its easy

but the dance doesnt change out that button

[swift tinsel]

I have dance/sht/mark always shown but desaturated then DN pops up when it procs

[lilac stag]

It does if it’s on your stealth bar

[swift tinsel]

since most of them don't have grow from center capabilities

[sullen hare]

When you're placing a public or personal work order for your pure fiber to put in the cloak buy the cheapest (but not necessarily lowest-quality) versions of the materials you need. There's no quality ranks on the thread item so you just buy whatever is cheapest

[swift tinsel]

^^

[safe tundra]

oh yeah i se

see

mb

[swift tinsel]

tons of people went for r3 mats and I got so much free shit from Resourcefulness lol

[sullen hare]

I'm still getting hella r3 mats from work orders

[swift tinsel]

idk the last things I've crafted lol

think I did a jc ring a few weeks ago

[lilac stag]

There’s a slight delay of backstab to strike, so you can’t effectively macro those together.

You can do stuff like dance + sectech, as we’re trying to make sure we get every cast off possible in dance.

[swift tinsel]

hit 2.5mil gold and haven't done a bit of goblin mode since

[sullen hare]

Shit, someone went out of their way to do a 15k r5 work order for like a belt yesterday

[swift tinsel]

got my profession spreadsheet mostly set for Midnight

still debating if i want the AH pricing auto-pull script

[sullen hare]

I'm at 1.3, maybe 1.4. I spent a good bit of it on the cash shop bruto

[swift tinsel]

made close to a million reselling inky black potions lol

people will gladly list them for like

2.5 gold when they cost 3.3 from the vendor

[sullen hare]

That's a great little bit of money because people are always looking for em

[swift tinsel]

so I've been scooping up tens of thousands for them for pennies lol

my bank alt has so many tabs just full of them lol

got kinda spoiled with nexus king and eco dome

since they're pretty choice there

[safe tundra]

im getting some weird overlap, not sure what this is im ngl

[swift tinsel]

duration

[sullen hare]

It's stack count and duration

[safe tundra]

looks like deathstalkers mark but idk how to fix it

[swift tinsel]

are you using an addon for cooldown manager?

most should allow stack text moving

[sullen hare]

What addon are you using? If unhalted you can config those

[safe tundra]

yeah im using better cooldown maanger

manager

might switch tho im ngl

[swift tinsel]

ah yeah should be able to move the stack text to where you want, and/or shrink duration text

[safe tundra]

i dont rlly like it

[sullen hare]

I don't know bcdm settings but look for Auras settings

[swift tinsel]

bcdm is pretty stripped-down which is convenient but lacks a lot of the features of others like tweaksUI:cd or arc ui

they all have their share of bugs or quirks though, which are hopefully getting ironed out in the weeks leading up to midnight

Arc UI is arguably able to do the most, but is more tedious to set up, TweaksUI:Cooldowns is less complicated but will sometimes re-order your cooldowns which can be fixed by /reload-ing a few times usually

[tender dust]

Things my mom used to say when i was little

[sullen hare]

Unhalted is the same dev and I use that for my unit frames with buff duration anchored top left and stacks bottom right in different font sizes so it should be available for configuration in bcdm

[rare sedge]

is there a bug atm that shadowstrike is not applying deathstalker? had it twice in a row on bosses now

[subtle urchin]

Ty king

[safe tundra]

for sub in raid , if we're on a hybrid fight, how does our builder/spenders work?

is it rlly shuriken storm? i feel like in 3+ targets shadowstrike generates more combo points for me

[subtle urchin]

do you have to continue the questline to upgrade, im as hashim and theres nothing there to upgrade

but he has a bar under him now that says "ethereal strands owned: 0/15"

[uneven scarab]

Strike up to 2 and then storm past that

[valid turtle]

Shadow blades before dance/tech? Or does it not really matter

[hazy breach]

Before sectech

Dance + blades order is irrelevant

But anything that gives haste wants to be used before dance

[meager coyote]

the ss at full cp optimisaion seems kinda cringe

[hazy breach]

Its likely getting nuked

[west tide]

my guild will never full clear again guys

[meager coyote]

hopium

there's pretty much no more going into dance without full cp is there?

due to the dance+sectech macro

[vale pine]

i am fairly certain its changed too

blizz does not like gameplay thats not obviouse

[hazy breach]

deathstalker generally wants to enter dance at low cp

[meager coyote]

but then how do u do the dance+sectech macro thing 🤔

[hazy breach]

You dont

[meager coyote]

would be cool if that minmax wasn't good anymore

so that's nice news

[hazy breach]

Its probably storm+dance macro then instead

[meager coyote]

ew what

[hazy breach]

So even though it might be worse, not having the delay is probably better

[warm marlin]

the real question is when is fazed getting made into a self buff too

[uneven scarab]

Real

[meager coyote]

I'm not sure I understood that, am stupid

[hazy breach]

In sims its slightly worse to use storm instead of strike

But the sim can use dance+strike immediately, ingame we cant do that

And every 0.1s delay inbetween dance and your next spell is worth like -0.3% dps

And anything below 0.2 is insanely hard to do manually

So the dance+storm macro might be better anyway, despite simming lower

[vale pine]

fazed is the new find weakness

[meager coyote]

oh fuck that man that's cooked

[chrome palm]

they really shoulve just removed fazed, and baked it into flawless form

[hazy breach]

Obviously depends exactly on your haste

If your dance is 6.8 seconds long then theres no rush

[warm marlin]

debuffs are cringe!

long hail buffs

[hazy breach]

But ideally it should be 6.2 (or 6.4 as trickster)

[chrome palm]

or make fazed the rogue parry raid buff 🫃

[meager coyote]

I might be doing something wrong

or do u mean on next xpac? kekw

[hazy breach]

Well thats with first dance

[meager coyote]

o ye tru

[warm marlin]

god please bring it back

[uneven scarab]

dude yes

RESIST IS GONE JUST REMOVE PARRY

[hazy breach]

I didnt mean it must be 6.2, i meant it more as X.2

[warm marlin]

@hazy breach the usage of blades and dance in these sims deeply upsets me btw

[hazy breach]

and x.4 etc

[warm marlin]

i know its a loss to make the check longer than 7s but im getting a headache seeing the robot dance at 1:20 and delay blades by 13s

wthelly

[strange cedar]

Is there some helpful stuff about the opener for sub plebs like me?

[hazy breach]

Ye ik

[meager coyote]

yeaht he .2 increments

[hazy breach]

Its a bit cursed

But it didnt seem better to force it at 1:30

[warm marlin]

idk its weird because realistically are people going to hold blades for 1:44 like that

even in patchwerk

average joe is not gonna know his killtime to the tee to know to send the dance at 1:20

[hazy breach]

Well the delay is better even without factoring in kill times right

On average

[warm marlin]

yes on a 20% variance around 5mins

presumably the gain from the extra dance value on longer (or shorter) fights outweighs the loss of a blades usage on some iterations but its still cursed me no like

[hazy breach]

Yep

What if we go puzzlebox and delay it to 2 min

(that seems not worth, but who knows)

[warm marlin]

it's already in the oven buddy

[swift tinsel]

dying inside just reading that

[warm marlin]

maghar gang abusing the 2min timer once again

[hazy breach]

the profile i linked is dwarf i think

[warm marlin]

ye

[swift tinsel]

can't make a Maki transmog so I'm sticking with morc for now

[hazy breach]

Dwarf was very strong in aoe

[warm marlin]

im thinking maghar could be doomed

if you roll haste it seems bad

[hazy breach]

Regular orc is fine

[meager coyote]

just pick a roleplay race guys it's an rpg :(

[warm marlin]

unless you get to a point where haste is your 3rd highest stat

maghar seems really really doomed

like you're not gonna gear around hitting an extra gcd breakpoint 50% of the time on 50% of your blades usages

[hazy breach]

I dont think its that hard to have it be your third stat

[warm marlin]

you can manipulate it with the haste trinket obv

hopefully macroing in the right order will work

[hazy breach]

But during progress it might be rougher as youll have lower ilvl

Anyway can just go regular orc

Is probably better first tier either way

[distant sage]

how do you guys like the lobotomy of the spec, i was really doom and gloom about it but its not that awful tbh

[warm marlin]

I am trying to avoid a race change but i suppose it could be inevitable

especially since i think it will go back to maghar

[left ledge]

It’s whatever, the previous iteration wasn’t really fun either before double coup

[hazy breach]

Inb4 theres a mechanic in the raid where you really want to dwarf

[left ledge]

Feels the same (when refunds come back)

[hazy breach]

Or something else

[uneven scarab]

Double coup was kinda the saving grace ngl yeah

Felt good

[hazy breach]

Like velfing out of mugzee cages

[empty plume]

subtlety is a 2 button baby spec

feels like garbage

bring back rupture, or something idk

[warm marlin]

just have goated priests

they missed grip like once on me

easy peasy

[left ledge]

There’s one thing I absolutely don’t understand though about the trimming of the spec

[hazy breach]

Ye i didnt go velf either

But a lot did

[left ledge]

Why is goremaw still there

[hazy breach]

Was just an example of "needing" a racial

[left ledge]

Like actually

How the fuck did goremaw make it

[uneven scarab]

ive been saying the same shit man

Unreal

[warm marlin]

the pvpers replied to my forum post about their love of goremaw

i assume thats why

[uneven scarab]

aint no way

Spell sucks

[distant sage]

ye thats just dead idk why they dont just make a into a buffed up evis

[hazy breach]

Make it so you can use a sectech independently of its cooldown after goremaw

[uneven scarab]

[left ledge]

We need some capstone doing something with clones

[swift tinsel]

ngl that'd be pretty banger

[winter moon]

i need a poison weak aura...i keep forgetting to apply!

[left ledge]

None of them do any clone stuff no?

[uneven scarab]

about 100x better than current goremaw for sure

Yeah agreed

Capstone relating to clones would be cool

[warm marlin]

make goremaw make your next 3 finishers cost no combo points so you can sit at full cp anyway and proc your apex talent

[hazy breach]

And goremaw has 100% chance to proc weaponmaster

[left ledge]

So… marked for death

[empty plume]

I think sub needs 1 more gameplay element to be fun, this version is not fun

[left ledge]

The return

[hazy breach]

[void nebula]

Why do we go into Dance with low CP? Wouldn't we want the first GCD in Dance to be a max CP finisher?

[left ledge]

I’m thinking of the combo points

[empty plume]

also haste dance duration is cringe

[left ledge]

Haste dance is whatever

[hazy breach]

In what way was what i said in any way related to marked for death

[left ledge]

Combo points

On a cd

[hazy breach]

Wat

[left ledge]

If it procs wm always

It always gives 6 cp

[distant sage]

like the timings still need to be on point for the spec to work i feel like, the somewhat real skill expesion is in saving coupe if you can for blades so you can get it twice in blades and for ds chessing mark with vanish or dance(cuz to my knowledge there is no point in popping it in aoe)

[hazy breach]

Wm doesnt give more cp

[left ledge]

Oh

[hazy breach]

Bro get on with the times

[left ledge]

They changed it

[hazy breach]

It spawns a clone

[left ledge]

Right

[swift tinsel]

[hazy breach]

Either low or high is fine

[left ledge]

Sry bro I just react

I press button

If condition is met

I press the other button

[uneven scarab]

tbh i like this version of wm better but it doesnt seem super good

[hazy breach]

It is

[uneven scarab]

Oh okay dope

[hazy breach]

Especially during prepatch for some reason

Its doing like 2-3x the damage it should

No clue why

Its not doing that on beta

[uneven scarab]

[left ledge]

Hmmm

Sounds like we should nerf sub rogue

[distant sage]

yes make sec tec 45s and give it +5%dmg

[uneven scarab]

Triple sectech opener possibly returns???

i would cry

[lilac stag]

Is it possibly some weird lvl scaling? Don’t suppose you looked at it at 80 on beta vs 90

[warm marlin]

btw @hazy breach the robot can send dance without enough energy to finish and just waste a gcd , this shouldnt be related to anything I did

bro getting that master of shadows value asap

[hazy breach]

What a silly goose this robot guy is

[tender dust]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[vale pine]

time to add a energy check ^^ back

[hollow spear]

Tcs sandbagging confirmed

[vale pine]

true

[hollow spear]

Balance druid levels of sandbaggery

[hazy breach]

Fwiw theres barely any difference fixing it

As it doesnt happen that often

[soft summit]

Are most of playing trickster? I’ve been playing DS lately and I’ve been loving it. If you prefer trickster over DS I’d love to know why

[hazy breach]

Mark stinky

[vale pine]

mark is annoying to deal with, so trickster feels overall nicer

for single target, deathstalker is better tho

[soft summit]

I hear that about mark but it’s actually not that hard. Every 3 finishers you can swap targets.

While I got you here im just wondering do I stop using mark after a certain amount of mobs?

[misty compass]

Guys, has anyone notice that sometimes while Shadow Strike the UI of CP show not 6 instantly but 2 and only 0,5–1 sec after 6 or am I tripping?

[plush roost]

I noticed on beta that happens as well, i wonder if it has to do with sensei resource bars

I had it take half a second to update my cp like 6 times in a row during cds

That was quite the underwhelming burst

[vale pine]

could be a bug too

[plush roost]

Yeah with sht

[vale pine]

we had delayed cp gain in the past

[plush roost]

Im not sure

Hard to tell when everything can get chalked up to beta lag

[warm marlin]

yall need wangbar

[swift tinsel]

anecdotally felt more noticeable when I was using sensei

with and without the smoothing

[warm marlin]

sensei has cp lag, was mostly confirmed in outlaw channel

[swift tinsel]

ye

seeing sensei vs wangbar vs bcm or whatever else he was comparing to was kinda funny

[vale pine]

i use better cooldown maanger

i haven't noticed a lag

[warm marlin]

or this one

(this is after spending)

[vale pine]

interessting

[swift tinsel]

were you able to bring the cp bar and energy bar closer together or is that just bc they're both taller than the setting I'm using

[warm marlin]

thats from awang

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[warm marlin]

i havent done any ui work

[swift tinsel]

there's a notable gap between them for me

and can't adjust that in settings

[misty compass]

Tywn, gonna try it tomorrow

[plush roost]

I see