subtlety

[upper rock]

this.

[short radish]

low of 30 degrees tomorrow night woooooooooooooo

[spiral sierra]

-11 here

wish it was 30 🙁

[sharp sapphire]

is raidbots working for you for simming? apart from the crafted gear, the stats of all my other items are wrong. I have an 170 helm and it shows as a 39 lvl

[placid elk]

anyone knows why platynator keeps forcing friendly nameplates on me?

i cant seem to find anything to disable them, after reload they are there always

ah nvm found it

[sly shore]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sharp sapphire]

.

[sly shore]

[lilac stag]

/wa

[short radish]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sinful zephyr]

has anyone managed to make a timer bar for the first dance?

or just show when it´s up in the cdm?

[lilac stag]

You can’t track it unfortunately.

[sinful zephyr]

🙁

[sacred gull]

Just to track first dance ? Not shadow dance ?

[steel zinc]

yes I made one

you can use my addon for it

first dance tracker

under gameplay

[sinful zephyr]

the name is first dance tracker?

[steel zinc]

but its whole unitframe and I cba sharing the code for just first dance

click on my name

[sinful zephyr]

nice. Will try it out ty

[tulip light]

guys i find myself often in a position where blades come up but i have only one dance charges - what to do? wait till second dance and delay sectech therefore?

[viscid trench]

I think the desire would have been to delay the previous dance so you had 2 up (well, 1 up with another coming off CD with the first dancers duratio) by the time blades comes up.

I don't have data to suggest this is more dps that sending a sec tec without dance.. so someone check me

[sinful zephyr]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[tribal blade]

new addition to the house finally underway

i'm cooking

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/liluncontop-tiktok-unc-unc-tiktok-cooking-with-unc-gif-12003133710515757561

[haughty mural]

Time to remake my ui

Midnight peak content

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-stick-army-of-darkness-bruce-campbell-gun-this-gif-17346017

You could be …

[graceful perch]

hey guys, can someone help me with arc ui? i want the buffs to only shown when active

[tribal blade]

no way, it's gonna be awesome

[graceful perch]

tyvm messerknecht

[chrome palm]

arc dynamic stuff is really bad rn but he said hes gonna work on it

ur welcome shaolin64

[floral geyser]

so is there some kind of min max where i just auto attack to build up secrettechniques thing to make big shadow dance

or can this spec just be played straight forward

[tribal blade]

when we have the apex yes

without apex no need

[floral geyser]

wont energy cap tho?

[tribal blade]

i don't think it's for a very long time

you can press backstab

[chrome palm]

wouldnt be a concern

[tribal blade]

sub does low dmg outside dance

[floral geyser]

oh

so basically i just do nothing in between dance then?

damn thats gonna be like a 10 apm spec 😄

[chrome palm]

in s3 it was ideal to literally afk auto pargoth to not waste UB, which wont be the case anymore but a similar principle applies

no

currently on prepatch

you take a high amount of haste, so youre flooded with shadow techniques

so its not a concern to use them wisely

and you dont even get refunds

so you just cap them in dance

[tribal blade]

partly why sub feels particularly stupid during prepatch

[chrome palm]

with apex though, you might bank them up a bit before doing dance because getting a apex refund on a supercharged finisher is a lot of damage

(might)

[tribal blade]

i'm guessing you would go on like 5+ sht stacks

or aim to get taht?

[chrome palm]

surely

when the bug fix apex 2

[tribal blade]

oh is that still bugged

[chrome palm]

my cook is that you cheap shot at low sht

for the sht

[floral geyser]

Whast the best UI addosn now btw

[chrome palm]

arcui

dont waste your time on any other cdm addon

and then you can do unhalted unit frames, betterblizzframes, or elvui is releasing soon

plater/platynator for nameplates

[tribal blade]

MM interesting

[chrome palm]

you see the vision right?

[tribal blade]

will cheap hit with a clone if the boss is immune

[chrome palm]

i dont think it works with macabre on bosses

[hazy breach]

It doesnt work with macabre

[chrome palm]

so just a m+ thing but it would be super cool if this worked

[hazy breach]

And it doesnt give cp if the mob is immune to stuns

[chrome palm]

hey

[tribal blade]

gotcha

[chrome palm]

cant immune from dr

but also

counting on them fixing two spearate apex 2 bugs xd

[tribal blade]

we still have a lot of time, we can dream

it's not like we're 1 week out

[chrome palm]

time to show those pesky DHs

that they arent the only ones who can needlessly dr mobs

for minimal damage

[tribal blade]

LOL fr last season

i heard about dhs begging to be in stun rotation

so they could get souls

[chrome palm]

yeah thats why you needed to kidney asap

before those fuckers ruined the dr

[tribal blade]

still waiting on rogue to get aoe cc

surely

for the love of god

[tough solar]

Should i not go over 20% haste for M+ ?

[tribal blade]

when i'm sitting in trade chat the one class i see people saying is doomed the most is rogue

but that's /2

[sudden quarry]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

you can sim it

for me and some other people sims wanted us at ~30%

[chrome palm]

yeah rogue brings little to the table in m+

but the current tuning seems preferrable

and again if sub bugs are fixed

it will need a nerf

imo

[hazy breach]

Charrend was beating mages without shaman

So

[tribal blade]

yeah sub will be doing ungodly dmg

[hazy breach]

But yeah if they fix more of the bugs i dont think pooling is really gonna be that relevant

[tribal blade]

nice

[chrome palm]

what about if they fix the premed bug

[tribal blade]

i need to hop on beta to see how many more refunds we get

[chrome palm]

and the secret technique apex1/3 bug

[hazy breach]

I mean the premed bug is not that relevant

[chrome palm]

for trickster, it makes it easier to pool sht, no?

[hazy breach]

Since its only relevant if youre starting your dance with full cp and your first finisher is not sectech

[tribal blade]

apex still only affecting phys sectec?

[hazy breach]

Yes, but you can easily just macro /cancelaura into your sectech

[tribal blade]

oh what happens if you cancel aura a refund

[hazy breach]

Nothing

[chrome palm]

do the base secret technique clones just do the same damage as the physical portion, with talent amps increasing their damage to be higher than the phys hit?

[hazy breach]

You still have the sht stacks

[tribal blade]

ok nice

[hazy breach]

Yeah but the phys hit is also reduced by armor

So even baseline the clones hit harder

And then we have all the shadow/magic/clone amps

[tribal blade]

we could avoid all these issues if they made sectec only fire shadow clones

[hazy breach]

Idk if its been misunderstood, but the premed bug is not that you cant activate the buff that will refund you when premed is up, its that if you are at full cp with premed up AND the apex buff active the apex buff will not get consumed

[chrome palm]

no i just mean to say that if secret technique was worthwhile to proc the apex with, and the premed bug didnt exist, as trickster it might be advantageous to sit at max cp and spam stab for ub+sht, then immediately dance+secret->evis

[hazy breach]

Ah yeah if sectech wasnt a waste of apex it would be a bigger issue ye thats true

I'd think you'd want to make sure supercharged coup gets apexed anyway though

As that clone hit absolutely bangs

[chrome palm]

the secret technique clone is aoe however

[hazy breach]

Well yeah my point was to apex both

Just strike at full cp

[chrome palm]

ohno

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-sad-monkey-sad-edit-monkey-edit-üzgün-maymun-gif-15640172319982461811

[tribal blade]

blasphemy

[hazy breach]

But I don't think they're making sectech good with apex

[chrome palm]

haha who would do this not me on dimmy burn

[hazy breach]

Sounds like a lot of work

[tribal blade]

oh NO

[chrome palm]

its all about the gamba for the extra UB

i got a 4x coup in burn it was worth it

[chrome palm]

eh i mean

didnt they basically do this for coup

[tribal blade]

that's hot

[chrome palm]

it seems like they created a special coup condition

so the clone didnt just copy the first hit

since coup is copied as a single hit

they already had special conditions for secret technique and cold blood

[haughty mural]

boomstick still needs an ui 😢

[hazy breach]

Well yeah but i think sectech is more complicated because of pets

They probably did the exact same thing for sectech, but forgot that its not you doing the damage

[chrome palm]

theyre gonna standardize the clones

really soon

[patent crystal]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[hazy breach]

The non-sectech clones are almost all the same, only exception is that apex2 only procs on apex clones

But they do the same damage, are not pets, and work with the same buffs n stuff

[iron spear]

Is subtlety now the new beginner rogue spec?

[hazy breach]

Id say assa is easier but

[iron spear]

could you explain why?

[hazy breach]

Assa just hits buttons, sub has some stuff you can do that isnt just hitting buttons

Hit cds on cd > keep bleeds up > envenom at 5+ is all of assa

[iron spear]

and for sub?

[lilac stag]

Your mistakes have little impact as assa once you have the basics.

sub you mess up the CDs. DPS tanks.

[hazy breach]

Use stuff on cd, except not always because you need to have it up for blades, and also dont always use a finisher at full cp because you want to pool sht stacks and/or save coups for dance, oh and also dont use dance on cd use it with sectech (unless blades i up soon)

[lilac stag]

You can go into KB with zero energy from envenom spam and it won’t matter all that much with poisons from auto attacks doing their thing.

assa hard. Extra buttons.

[vagrant fulcrum]

Kb has always had a disconnect between its fantasy and reality; it’s a shame so much of our poison application is just autos

[iron spear]

Okay, ty for the answers.

[lilac stag]

I think it’s even more obvious(?) with AA being sooooo much

maybe not.

congrats on having a one min and two minute cd worth using. looking at you

[vagrant fulcrum]

Low-key, how much haste would we need to be juicing to have sectec cadence to line up cleanly with blades

[hazy breach]

~11%

Assuming they dont fix the trickster cdr

Next clean lineup is at ~39%

But then you got 1 more sectech than dance

Which isnt clean

[lilac stag]

wonder if we can even hit that base number in s1

[limpid sage]

I feel like I’ve asked this before, but do you know if orc pet racial applies to sectec?

[hazy breach]

It does

[limpid sage]

That’s accounted for in sims right?

[hazy breach]

Yes

Its only 1%, so its pretty negligible

[limpid sage]

Ye ig you’re getting around same value from dwarf/tauren racial at that point

Except it also applies to everything else

[vale pine]

wouldn't mind giving you some of it

thanks was good so far

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

gimme, gimme

[vagrant fulcrum]

I’m guessing it’s unreachable but could we ever get 2x sectec in blades again?

[alpine wraith]

just woke up

you'd rather use sec tech on third dance sometimes in midnight

[hazy breach]

Well no youll get that every BL

Thats also like 30%

[alpine wraith]

but yea bl works

[hazy breach]

But thats not supercharged sectech, so its not nearly as good

[vagrant fulcrum]

Tbh with you I’m not as fussed as I used to be about that, feels like a lot of sectec’s power is now in activating trickster stuff

It deffo doesn’t do the dmg it did before in tww

[hazy breach]

Much less than in S3

As flawless form is capped at 5

[vagrant fulcrum]

That too yeah

[hazy breach]

And unseen doesnt do nearly the same damage

[vagrant fulcrum]

In a sense it feels like they’ve pruned burst generally

Flag gone, shiv gone, kb neutered due to no TTK

Less compact superchargers

Compared to SoD

I guess outlaw might be doing better than it was burst wise? (I’d lol if they still have a giga flat profile without perma AR)

[vale pine]

they did tone down burst

[hazy breach]

But like, when you stop getting extra sht stacks from haste because youre already overcapping

I doubt its gonna be worthwhile to get more to reduce the cd of sectech or get longer dances

Compared to just getting more damage from other stats

[vagrant fulcrum]

V likely ye

Haste will increase our proportion of finishers to generators - voila more mastery value than just it being linearly multiplicative

Feels strange to actually want haste after many tiers of 0

[vale pine]

we probably will get 10-20% and call it a day

somewhere between that seems reasonable

[vagrant fulcrum]

Why is vers still good

[vale pine]

because it increased damage of everything

[vagrant fulcrum]

Cb removal shoulda helped crit overtake it

[hazy breach]

Even with the ~15% haste or whatever my baseline profile in simc has its still wasting ~20% of sht stacks

[vagrant fulcrum]

We lack guaranteed crits outside of SS now right

Also idk if you guys summed it but what’s the difference between finishing 5vs6

[hazy breach]

And thats without the sectech generating apex bug fixed

If they fix the shadowcraft doubling bug too, then so much sht stacks are gonna get overcapped

[vale pine]

frederick is a cutie

[vagrant fulcrum]

Honestly my last wishlist is for them to make goremaw’s worthwhile, I’m sorely missing an extra rotational button or two

If only it gave finisher dmg instead of free finishers smh

[vale pine]

i hope we get a replacement for goremaws

[vagrant fulcrum]

It needs to be an active ability

[vale pine]

i played legion and the spell has no nostalgia for me

[hazy breach]

Youre pretty much always finishing on 7 anyway

[vagrant fulcrum]

In dance yeah, outside it’s a little bit more sketchy from my memory

[hazy breach]

Well whats the point in not finishing at 7 outside dance

[vagrant fulcrum]

Heck in dance I’ve used shs, landed on 5 and had to press it again

[hazy breach]

You literally cant waste cp

[vagrant fulcrum]

It’s not a rule to not finish on 7, I’m just following the finish on 6+

[vale pine]

^ the cp generation is so high, you cap out

[vagrant fulcrum]

Wait, did they change how sht work

[hazy breach]

No

[vagrant fulcrum]

Oh I just thought about it

[vale pine]

they buffed shadowcraft

[vagrant fulcrum]

Yeah you’re right

[vale pine]

and you can increase your proc rate further with ⚠️ warning sign

and you get additional sht procs from apex

its just a lot more sht

[hazy breach]

They didnt buff shadowcraft

They reverted that

[vagrant fulcrum]

Hold for a second, what happens if I was to press shs at like 6cp

That would deffo waste cp

[hazy breach]

shs being storm?

[vale pine]

oh, you are correct, i forgot

[vagrant fulcrum]

Sorry m, I meant strike

But any generator works for the example

[hazy breach]

Well ye then you would waste 1 cp

[vagrant fulcrum]

If it baseline generates over 1

[hazy breach]

But youre almost never in a situation were you end up at 6

[vagrant fulcrum]

I guess you can’t waste from 5, since you’d just keep your sht stacks

[hazy breach]

You almost never end up at 5 either with strike

I think youre underestimating just how much more sht we have than in tww

[vagrant fulcrum]

True yeah, I’ve done like 4 or 5 beta keys

Most of it mindless generator spender

I do feel flooded in blades for sure

Or lust

Did it always stack to 14?

[hazy breach]

If you have excessive haste youll overcap sht even without blades

Yes

2x max cp

[vagrant fulcrum]

Last time I remember having this kinda sht economy was s3 df

And I’m fairly sure the tierset was doing something from sectec clones

[hazy breach]

Yes we have that now too

But also like 50% more attack speed

[vagrant fulcrum]

Frequently sectec > finisher > sometimes finisher

[hazy breach]

And more sources of it

The apex talents are pretty much that tier set copy pasted

[vagrant fulcrum]

I think it’s cool they’ve added all the clone stuff, I’d love for them to add more opportunities for intentional gameplay

Nothing we do feels super deliberate outside of trying to pool sht stacks pre-dance

Whereas before we had opening dances with backstab, using shs to avoid munching coup

The issue before was it could need a bunch of mental bandwidth to execute; eg I remember playing CDs during 2nd set of ghosts on salhadar on prog

But it’s gone too far in the other direction now, I’m confident this sub is playable blind with sound cues for CDs

[fleet acorn]

Whos using what ? I looked up plater (jundies Profile) or platynator? Idk what’s better or has good profiles

[hazy breach]

@warm marlin @plush roost Turns out if you have very high amounts of haste its good for trickster to go Strike > Evis > Strike > Evis instead of Strike > Evis > Evis > Strike > Evis > Evis.
So if you have 7 cp, no apex buff and 5+ sht stacks just strike again

Ok nvm this shit is insane regardless with some tweaks, this spec is cooked

[alpine wraith]

rofl

[lilac stag]

Some things never change

[vagrant fulcrum]

Less room for fringe situations to screw you with strike> evisc > repeat too from a parry perspective

[swift tinsel]

You don’t worry about parry as trickster

[hazy breach]

Its not slightly better either btw. Seems pretty neutral in big AoE though

[swift tinsel]

Jesus

Lmao

[vale hull]

any idea why black powder sometimes doesnt consumme deathstalker mark ?

[hazy breach]

Because you have Darkest night up

You cant consume the mark while Darkest Night is up

(but its more worth to continue to BP rather than to use the DN eviscerate in aoe)

[vale hull]

looks awkward

[swift tinsel]

It is

[hazy breach]

Thats because it is

[swift tinsel]

Super fun just watching your capstone hero talent buff expire

[vale hull]

are they even aware of this?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[vale hull]

lol

[hazy breach]

They purposefully made it like this

[warm marlin]

Like Mr messerknecht, I have intentionally shadow striked at max cp already this tier

[alpine wraith]

i love this game

[hazy breach]

It was a bug in tww, then they added it to the tooltip so its an intended thing. (that you cant reduce mark while DN is up)

[warm marlin]

I’m so ready

[alpine wraith]

likely with more strikes you also snipe more resets to get more coups also ahaha

also if you have overbooking of cps it kinda makes sense

so you dont need them for next so you just strike

[warm marlin]

That makes sense though, you’re just getting so much haste you want to chain apex evis, and regular evis isn’t good enough

[alpine wraith]

yea

more than haste it is cps

becaused if you got to like 1 or 2 sht

then you would get a 4 cp apex nono

but you get to 10sht

so you dont care

[warm marlin]

And you aren’t wasting them on shadowstrike

[alpine wraith]

brrr

yea

[lilac stag]

So when do we talent out of Danse?

[dry plank]

Spam shadow strike during dance coming soon 🙂

[tough solar]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[ebon pawn]

at what target count do we start sending the DK evis?

[soft summit]

How many mobs you need in aoe before you stop caring about death mark ?

[ebon pawn]

Idk thats why i asked 🙁

i thought was 2 plus , but just asking

[red vortex]

still not close enough

[vale pine]

there is a reason to track apex now^^

XD

apex/sht

[lilac stag]

Guess I better redo my sht bar

[red vortex]

okay now i should be a good prepatch gamer right?

[vale pine]

nice

[red vortex]

this includes flasks, manaoil, haste food

[lilac stag]

imagine not having natty 35%

[sullen glacier]

cries in 8%

[red vortex]

working on it

[vale pine]

mana oil is rly good now

in general

[red vortex]

yea jus need some more natty haste

but this will do

for raids

[graceful rock]

im so fried reading this

so on trickster you want to munch the refund with a strike?

[uneven scarab]

floodgate dagger

Goat!

[warm marlin]

yes, you have so many sht that you can guarantee an apex eviscerate every other global, so you strike to full cp with premed + prep apex, apex evis, strike at full cp to prep apex, apex evis, strike at full cp to prep apex etc.

[pseudo orbit]

You guys keep running an active trinket or? Most locks show people running 2 passive, some of them have forge but doesn't feel right running a 2m trinket on a 1.5m rotation

[warm marlin]

which ig is a lot better than spending sht on strike to build cp and casting non apex eviscerates

[swift tinsel]

that's def getting fixed to not be possible

[graceful rock]

can we even track when we have a apex finisher?

[warm marlin]

its kinda funny because that's how arcane plays/played

[swift tinsel]

gonna be some bs way they brick it

[warm marlin]

sitting on max charges and only casting barrage when you could refund

[fathom adder]

do i understand it correctly that according to the guide you use dance only when sectec comes off cd (apart from cds ofc). Do you just wait until sectec comes off cd and start dance with 5cp -> sectec or just use dance when you know okay, sectec has 4 seconds left, it will be in it, thats all that i need. If i strictly try to use sectec as my first global in dance i "nearly" cap dance charges (~ 1 second left) in st. Just feels weird for now and want to know how you do it

[swift tinsel]

they're also kinda designed to spend as many 4 charge blasts as mana allows

less so in aoe bc barrage trucks per target

[graceful rock]

so its a buff

[swift tinsel]

yep

[graceful rock]

but not in cdm

[swift tinsel]

[uneven scarab]

[kind edge]

any1 with the same problem ? logged today and it look like that (using tweakui)

its updated, reloged, restarted exe....

[swift tinsel]

they pushed some update and it did weird shit

so I got rid of it lol

[kind edge]

what r u using atm ?

[swift tinsel]

ArcUI

more involved to set up but quite nice

[kind edge]

pre patch ui is the new mythic last boss

ok bro i will check it

ty btw

my curseforge cant find it

by ArcUI

ok its with a space between arc and ui lol found it

[honest dome]

is there any stealth check addon or do i have to live with the stance bar?

[steel zinc]

I recommend Enhanced Quality of Life. It has everything you need apart from Skinning

[brisk onyx]

lol this one can upto 185ilv

2/3

[vale pine]

nice

[brisk onyx]

but the agi one is suck, the str/int is very strong lol

[vestal escarp]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[hazy breach]

Both deathstalker and trickster

Its just more impactful on trickster

[hazy breach]

Well yeah its not in the CDM but there are huge purple indicators on your screen

[graceful rock]

hmmm

i'll turn spell opacity on

[red vortex]

Isn't that effect only on apex?

So won't show in pre patch

[chrome palm]

Realistically how do they solve this

Seems like such an oversight in design

Maybe ancient arts could replicate the next two finishers at 25% dam or something

[graceful rock]

yeah the refunded finisher would need juice

[hazy breach]

Realistically redesign or gut sht regen

[swift tinsel]

been thinking they should have cut the extra stack off from shadowcraft

[hazy breach]

Yes were talking about the apex

[swift tinsel]

and/or take the AA number redux out

[hazy breach]

Make more cp come from builders instead of sht is like the only way to fix it

[swift tinsel]

ye

[graceful rock]

so why is it a gain? im struggling to put my mind around it

[swift tinsel]

bc even if they up the cap but still only allow you to consume enough to fill your bar you're still absolutely swimming and can have enough stacks to last to your next dance

[chrome palm]

Warning signs should just get shot imo

[hazy breach]

You'll be wasting cp either way

So better to waste natty cp rather than shr

Sht

[swift tinsel]

probably

[hazy breach]

Since sht is also damage via apex

[swift tinsel]

maybe cut swift slasher in half

[plush roost]

https://tenor.com/view/ts-genuinely-frying-me-ts-frying-me-ts-frying-me-gif-15599417133692893606

[graceful rock]

okay so your basically just conserving shts

[hazy breach]

It's also more DMG per sht when using evis instead of strike

[plush roost]

And i assume this is still a gain for DS since we have the 25% amp strike every mark proc even if we arent consuming more marks

[hazy breach]

Yes just more like 3%

Instead of 6%+

[plush roost]

Just when we thought sub rogue was becoming intuitive...

They reel us back in!

[chrome palm]

Ignore your apex refund vs ignore your hero talent capstone

[swift tinsel]

spec so simple you don't even apex

[chrome palm]

How about both

[swift tinsel]

don't dn in aoe

back to the kitchen (over the course of 2 expansions)

[plush roost]

Cant wait to explain to people seeing my gameplay and asking "why arent u finishing at 7???"

[swift tinsel]

"I'm nervous"

[plush roost]

"Beta lag"

[chrome palm]

I’m building to 11 you stupid chud

[plush roost]

Munching my inputs

[plush roost]

Anticipation gaming

[chrome palm]

Midnight is such a movie

5% from this is

[plush roost]

[hazy breach]

Fwiw most Optimizations are like 1%, so a 6% thing is massive

[plush roost]

Yea its an insane

[warm marlin]

ts not getting fixed cuh

[plush roost]

Optimize

[hazy breach]

It also makes trickster sim higher than ds

[warm marlin]

im okay with it though

[hazy breach]

So that's neat

[plush roost]

Okay so thats massive

[warm marlin]

okay now im super ok with it

[plush roost]

Infact

[hazy breach]

It's also way more burst

[plush roost]

Keep it

Ty

[chrome palm]

https://tenor.com/view/monkeys-paw-paw-monkey-gif-17535679

[hazy breach]

Like +15%

[chrome palm]

Guys no one be upset…

[plush roost]

Okay guys

Nobody talk about this

Until after prog

[warm marlin]

🤐

[sinful zephyr]

NOW it will get changed 😄

[chrome palm]

No bro

[swift tinsel]

Okay I take back my skepticism

Making trickster better is a Good Guys Win scenario

[plush roost]

We must sandbag the sims likr a boomkin

Become BM hunter tww s3

[bleak night]

i already posted it on reddit sorry

fixed next week

[plush roost]

I cant Bel-ieve you

[chrome palm]

Sub already cried wolf 500 times

Don’t worry

[swift tinsel]

Gotta log by seeing how many only-auto-attack logs you can post

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-sandbagger-swgoh-sandbag-territory-war-galaxy-of-heroes-gif-16411237

[graceful rock]

or just run a 1 hand oh

passive sand bagging

[warm marlin]

i still cant help but think pi will end up being good to hit these sort of breakpoints

surely theres a point where the extra dance duration isnt better than more mastery to buff these things if you can get your sht from pi

[kind edge]

in Arc UI, how i set my buffs appear only when active? im like at 15 mins looking for that damn option

[cursive vapor]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[vernal grotto]

Trying to get back into Subtlety post-changes.

1. I'm finding it weird to play without Rupture, I sort of can't help but press the button I had keybound for Rupture at the start of combat.
2. I am having Energy issues, not currently invested into Vigor. I know in Midnight 80-90 we'll get more class talent tree points—do we know if Vigor is then going to be recommended? Is it worth straying from suggested build somewhere to grab it now if it's an issue?

[vale pine]

1. thats normal, you lack maintainance/filler spells, so you need to get used to a more steamlined/simple spec

2. how high is your haste, you need quite a bit of haste before it feels fine

[vernal grotto]

1. Yeah, it's just going to be a big adjustment after so many years. I do think they purged a little too much by dropping it, even if I'm actually pleased with the other purge choices in the spec.
2. Only 19% right now, not sure if that's considered high or not. It doesn't feel awful during the burst window but does hit a crash point and takes a bit to recoup to be ready for a next burst window, just feels clunky but may be a pacing thing.

[sinful zephyr]

maybe it´s the talents then? I´m at 20% haste and it´s totally fine without vigor

[vale pine]

19% is fine for m+

for raid you can go up to 35% or even slightly higher

raid also has skyfury

so if you test on dummy, it will feel worse

[hazy breach]

The vast majority of sht from pi was wasted

Haven't checked since changing this though

[plush roost]

Also have to consider that youd be taking PI from someone that may usr it better

[warm marlin]

I will not be considering that, thanks

[plush roost]

But i can see a world where u drop 1 global in dance uptime to go crazy high mast/versa and usr PI to compensate

[warm marlin]

I hope that isnt the case fwiw, after the autumn debacle get these externals out

[plush roost]

Hehe

Pi assa rogue in s3 df vs no PI

[vernal grotto]

I was on test dummy so that may be it, thanks. Do we know if Vigor is recommended to grab in the 80-90 or if they go down the Subterfuge branch or something instead?

[vale pine]

we only ever take the middle 3

vigor/tea is quite useless

max level will have even more energy/cp income due to apex

so it will get better

pre patch is just a slightly diffrent world

[vernal grotto]

Gotcha okay. Yeah I know we take middle 3 now, but we get 3 more class tree talent points leveling 80-90 so wasn't sure where we'd ultimately be placing those

[fathom adder]

do you shuriken storm as first global inside dance with silent storm talented? The talent suggests it, the guide says no tho

[glacial hinge]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach so dance would be full combo points (store sht 10secs) with cancel aura Sectech into strike evis repeat?

[maiden oar]

i hate autumn so much its crazy

i apologized profusely to my hpal several times

i hope i never in my life have to beg for pi

[plush roost]

im playing 24% haste rn and it seems to not be as consistent as id have thought, Its only like 2-3 refunds then u start running out of shadowt techniques. is this what your sim reflected too?

[vale pine]

you don't we found it to be not worth in simulations

[vale pine]

isn't autumn gone now?

[maiden oar]

yes im so thankful

[vale pine]

now we just want pi ^^

[maiden oar]

[hazy breach]

The sim, as trickster, seems to be getting like 5-6 apex procs per blades

But it also starts each blades with like 5-7 sht

Granted blades does give cp in sims, but sectech does not

Thats with 8% haste and skyfury

But if thats not close to happening ingame its possible something is giving too much attack speed or something

I checked and couldnt find anything that seems when looking at the sim log

[runic urchin]

In m+ i am going into a pac with 6+ cp in stealth. Should i press sectech or only in shadow dance?

Very new to sub

[hazy breach]

press sectech in shadow dance

Stealth is not as strong as shadow dance

[runic urchin]

Thx

[barren plume]

just came back myself, i feel like im not pushing enough buttons in sub. Which spec has most skill expression? or are they all dumbed down so hard that the only actual skill you need now is to dodge swirlies and kick the right spells?

[woeful wren]

outlaw has buttons

[muted girder]

with what these macros are showing, are we always trying to get to max CP before we hit Shadow Dance to instantly get a Sec Tech off? Because guide says to use on low CP but if thats the case wouldnt these macros be pointless?

[hazy breach]

Either low or high is fine

[warm marlin]

if you start dance at low cp you would build with strike, but you can't macro dance/strike so theres only a dance sectec macro

[muted girder]

Well yeah i know that, its just confusing because the macros contradict the guide. so i didnt know if one was better value than the other or what the reasoning was for the contradiciton between the two

[hazy breach]

@plush roost I tried a bit on dummies and to me it seems feasible. Im getting mostly 4 but sometimes 5 apex procs during blades

And thats without skyfury

(one attempt i did get PI from a random priest nearby so i got 8 )

[warm marlin]

if the guide says only low cp start that's weird, trickster can start with low or high, deathstalker should be at low only iirc

could be saying it for deathstalker only

[muted girder]

Doesn't mention anything for trickster that i can see. does mention in darkest night to go max combo points but that is the only thing stating to send at max

[deft tiger]

hi guys im new to blasting on my rogue and looking for help. with danse macarbe talented do I replace the first shadowstrike in the opener with a backstab? the numbers seem close looking at average casts is there something im missing or is it close to 0 gain

[karmic heron]

So I originally planned on playing sub rogue in midnight but word on the street is that it is the simplest and easiest rogue spec right now. Is that true? I like having a complex rotation which is why I originally wanted to try the spec. Seems like I missed my chance.

[hazy breach]

No

[hazy breach]

If you ignore the complicated parts its easy yes

Compared to before where you couldnt ignore the complicated parts as that was most of it

[deft tiger]

thanks chap

[hazy breach]

Shuriken storm is close, but not worth

[karmic heron]

What is the complicated part of sub rogue in midnight? As of right now I understand I want to cram as much as I can into shadow dance, but it seems pretty simple from my noob perspective

[hazy breach]

The apex talents makes things more complicated

[vale pine]

apex 1 should work with secret, would already help

[hazy breach]

Apex 2 does work with sectech now

[vale pine]

apex talents add some depth

[hazy breach]

Still not getting doubled by shadowcraft, but its +2 sht stacks per cast of sectech

[quick marlin]

is there a reason rogues arent striking>evisc on logs before they burst

[vale pine]

kill timers

[quick marlin]

[fallow nimbus]

You can but it needs 2 taps

[vale pine]

but it does not matter much on deathstalekr

trickster likes to start dance with strike

[karmic heron]

Which rogue spec would you consider the most complex?

[hazy breach]

Not assa atleast

Havent played outlaw enough to be certain

[swift tinsel]

outlaw is busier but not nearly as complex as tww

comparable-ish to sub imo

[swift tinsel]

not far off

lol

the only thing to really keep in mind at all is Opportunity stacks and that's pretty cruise-control lol

"do i have six stacks? pew pew"

"do I have 3 stacks and 1-3cp? pew pew"

[keen dome]

It's pretty relaxing

Pew pew pew

[swift tinsel]

also having to pay attention to blade flurry again

nostalgia trip

[half dirge]

I think the complete honest truth is no spec is complex anymore. You see us rogues complaining and so is every single other class discord

[bleak night]

I mean sub has been finding more tech every day

At what point are we allowed to call it complex

[keen dome]

When someone personally struggles with it and decies it's complex.

[bleak night]

Compared to its previous iteration obviously it has a much lower floor

[keen dome]

It's all pretty personal and I don't think there is an objective standard here.

[bleak night]

Ceiling is still being determined

[half dirge]

100% - but makes me sick to my stomatch, that in history of rogue people would normally avoid sub rogue, but now people come in here with messages like "its really simple now right?".

[hazy breach]

I suspect theyll pull their sledgehammer to fix this new tech though

[quick marlin]

some people really like the spec aesthetics but cba alting it when its hard to learn

[hazy breach]

Which is gonna collaterally fuck over trickster pooling

[quick marlin]

[bleak night]

Yeah thats true unfortunately

[hazy breach]

Unless they decide to gut/redesign sht generation

Which is a lot more effort

So i suspect they wont

[keen dome]

More people playing the least played Spec in the game is a pretty good outcome, imo.

[half dirge]

I get where you are coming from, but the spec losing so much of its identity and turning more into a brawl type of spec for people to pick it up is kinda meh, tbh

[keen dome]

It's really not lost much of it's identity, though

[bleak night]

better for the health of the game, but not better personally if the reason you liked said spec was removed to make that happen

but i also think its good for it to have a lower floor

[keen dome]

My long-term hope is they slowly build (all) the spec back up to a new level. Reduce it to zero and then bring it back up.

[bleak night]

just we see how it evolves

[keen dome]

Which makes the most sense with how they've approached this.

[swift tinsel]

survival might be the most chill spec I've messed with in prepatch

man

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/reload-shotgun-dale-gribble-rusty-shackleford-king-of-the-hill-gif-15641945943961425415

survival op

[keen dome]

the shotgun looks rad

[swift tinsel]

literally just kill command -> global -> global -> kill command -> global -> global

[half dirge]

I personally feels like it has 100%, we even have people like Trimaz comparing it to warrior now.

[swift tinsel]

between shotgun,bombs,raptor strike

pure vibes

just hit whats available to buff with tip stacks

[bleak night]

i havent actually tried too many specs on prepatch

just been playing priest

[swift tinsel]

I've been going through most of them just to get a feel

and set up UI's

demo lock pretty silky

[bleak night]

thats why i havent tried many

[swift tinsel]

sv hunter is nice

[bleak night]

setting up uis

what i have is also temp so i dont wanna go through and make it work with every spec

then do the same thing come midnight

[swift tinsel]

I saw spriest isn't running misery so I'm staying away for a bit lol

[bleak night]

in weekly keys misery still as good or better than invoked nightmare

[swift tinsel]

I'm annoyed TweaksUI:CDs broke bc that was super easy to setup bc you could just clone a profile

[bleak night]

so im down for it for now

[swift tinsel]

wheras Arc you have to copy-paste an import string for every spec

so I literally have a Sheet with import strings for each addon for the ones that are butt to set up

[bleak night]

lmao

ive seen people are working on addons to make mass importing stuff like that easier

hopefully one of those ends up good

[swift tinsel]

yeah I can't imagine its fun to do

as much as I like Arc, that part is quite annoying

[fallow nimbus]

I use 1 profile for all and just change what's in the cdm slots

Works on bm and havoc

[swift tinsel]

if you swap specs it clears all your position and sizing in arc

[ionic quarry]

where can i see the sub apex talents? i just read a lot here but havent found anything on wowhead/icyveins/sub faq

[swift tinsel]

so you need to import your 'base' profile for each spec and configure from there lol

[sly shore]

is the dance threat bug still a thing

[swift tinsel]

@ionic quarry can find them here

[ionic quarry]

thanks a lot, weird place to put them in

[swift tinsel]

the beta talent calculator makes them annoying to see as well since you need to spec all the way down til you can talent into them, and then it only shows you what 'step' you're at instead of all of the apex talents you've specced into

[ionic quarry]

ew

[swift tinsel]

so if you put all 4 points into it it only shows the tooltip for apex4 lol

great system

[ionic quarry]

wait theres apex 4?

[swift tinsel]

yeah, technically invest 4 points

[ionic quarry]

am i getting old

is it over for me bois

[swift tinsel]

nah I think we're referring to the 3rd talent/4th point as apex3 anyways

[ionic quarry]

okay i see

thanks again

[alpine wraith]

apex 2 is 2 points

[keen dome]

Yeah, it's 1 - 2 - 1. You can only put the points into Apex, not other part sof the Spec tree iirc

So it's basically w/e.

[ionic quarry]

i wonder who came up with that

[vale pine]

yes

1 initial point

[ionic quarry]

lets make 3 new passive talents but they require 4 points spent and also you cant put them into anything else

[vale pine]

2 of the 2nd node

1 of the final

[stuck arrow]

Does the shadowdance damage add or does it multiply?

[vale pine]

damage amps are usually multipliers

[stuck arrow]

So i guess that "darkest night" is kinda important to get inside shadow dance then

"50% dmg increase on evicerate"

[upbeat garden]

warlock hits diff

[ionic quarry]

demo?

[upbeat garden]

ye

[barren plume]

Sub rogue barely above the tank in dps? That’s promising

It true rogues are one of the least played classes?

[narrow shadow]

Yes

Only above evoker

[hazy breach]

Yes, although technically its not a bug, its just an ancient mechanic that we no longer care about

[barren plume]

Why no one play roguev

[ionic quarry]

because yellow is stupid color

[bleak night]

real

[barren plume]

I don’t disagree with that

We just that low on the totem pole cause or dmg is trash and we bring no buffs to group… I mean I don’t get it why wouldn’t people want to be rogue, we go invisible. That’s all that matters I thought

[hazy breach]

Rogue does not do trash damage

[barren plume]

If you aint first you’re last

[swift tinsel]

where's that screenshot of charrend beating them as sub lol

[upbeat garden]

Charrend didnt do 350k dps

[plush roost]

Neither did crims in that ss

This was what ur lookin for

Mort a funny guy

Looks like total damage done somethings weird here

[lucid jackal]

There's a lot of compounding factors that add to rogues low popularity

It's been low popularity for almost the entire games lifespan

[bleak night]

the only constant is the yellow

[golden thunder]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid jackal]

True

[keen dome]

If only we were purple

[vestal escarp]

ok chat i became so bad at sub lmaooo

[leaden prairie]

you can be bad at sub ?

[woeful wren]

Btw Subterranean Predator is all dmg right. Both our magic+phys

[leaden prairie]

how do you make that happen

[swift tinsel]

I blame stinky dh's

[vestal escarp]

idk

still playing like old

pressing sod bind

[leaden prairie]

💀

bruhdy

[keen dome]

One trick: put all the important buttons in your old spots

[leaden prairie]

you have 3 buttons

[keen dome]

And trick your brain

[vestal escarp]

and im pressing 8 ikik

[leaden prairie]

even if you press random additionals buttons it will work

[ionic quarry]

its so true its sad

[harsh meadow]

my CDM in sub is actually really funny

[vestal escarp]

like, i stike the boss and press rupture bind and i have 0 visual clues of rupture being applied (cause theres fucking none kek) and i just tilt and freeze

[ionic quarry]

stunlocked from missing button

i feel that

[keen dome]

Haha, I keep hitting where Rupture was too.

Muscle memory betraying.

Put a firework toy in that button

[ionic quarry]

i just hope the rupture void is getting filled with anything

[ionic quarry]

that is actually such a good idea

[vestal escarp]

doesnt help it's the same content where i did the old rotation

[harsh meadow]

Goremaws. I talked to Dave

[keen dome]

nooo

[bleak night]

ok but if goremaws was a good button

it would go hard right now

[ionic quarry]

but that goes in my missing legion artifact bind

[keen dome]

Still no

[harsh meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dreaditrunfromit-infinitywar-destinyarrivesallthesame-barexam-gif-12210891

[keen dome]

Put your hearthstone in the Rupture spot.

Quick way to unlearn pushing it

[bleak night]

goremaws should just amp your clones

[ionic quarry]

im gonna put /quit macro in there

[bleak night]

make them go giga

[ionic quarry]

so i tilt even more whenever i fatfinger

[harsh meadow]

def need to bind a toy, the most annoying one possible to that keybind

[keen dome]

Another button that'd amp your clones or do something would be nice.

[harsh meadow]

that will probably be bugged to shit too

[keen dome]

That's a feature

[ionic quarry]

there was a toy that turned you to stone i cant remember the name

cursed orb

[keen dome]

Someone suggested putting Detection there

[ionic quarry]

but it has a cast time

[keen dome]

Which isn't a bad idea and can be quite funny

[clever delta]

i just realizued we may not play second feint charge or what 😄

[hazy breach]

Ofc we do

[clever delta]

what you drop for that, i did just coppy something here

[hazy breach]

Iron stomach, deadend nerves, or weapon poison dmg

[clever delta]

ty 😄

[harsh meadow]

Feint way too good

[radiant swift]

does upgrading aswell as recrafting things still work as it did before? the tooltips on some of these things are all over the place

[hollow spear]

Are you trying to summon the guy who called it bad?

[bleak night]

feint good feint good feint good

[lilac stag]

Make it a big hit that amps shadow damage clones) for 8-10 seconds. 45 seconds cd

[hazy breach]

Or make it so you can send a sectech without any regard to its cooldown

Lots of options to make it not be stinky

But alas

[lilac stag]

the energy component is just blah

[hazy breach]

We must continue to be stinky

[lilac stag]

Blight should replace a cap stone and Goremaw just needs like 30 seconds of attention

[lilac stag]

That may make Danse a little more interesting if you could bookend Sectech in a single dance.

[hazy breach]

Sectech doesnt proc Danse

[bleak night]

[swift tinsel]

blight can easily replace dark brew since we already have generic shadow/magic damage % talents

[azure thicket]

cast bars work in midnight but i gotta use platynator's in prepatch

ima frow up

anyone get to haste cap? feels like there's supposed to be a dance immediately after blades end but im short

have to wait a global or two before sending it

[lilac stag]

None of it will hit it?

[hazy breach]

nop

nor coup

[lilac stag]

lulz

So blight replaces Danse

Fix goremaws

Sub saved.

I’m just sick of budget WW Danse

[barren plume]

Why is goremaw still in game? I don’t think it’s ever been taken since its release in shadowlands? It was shadowlands right

[azure thicket]

pvp?

[brisk onyx]

[swift tinsel]

if Danse doesn't make me Sashay Left, Boogie Down, Prance Forward, or Shimmy Right its a design failure tbh

[azure thicket]

3 finishers no energy is large for ccing and running someone over probably

[swift tinsel]

not really

bc to run someone over you'd need to be in Dance and cp/energy are free then

hence why that part is useless

[azure thicket]

the version with the slow seemed promising

definitely a outdated/neglected talent

if it granted wound poison/mn poison plus some damage it'd be good in some keys

[lilac stag]

Legion and it was amazing until they fixed it

[bleak night]

so real for that

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/sire-denathrius-wow-world-of-warcraft-shadowlands-gif-33988949688349729

[sour granite]

No, dog water in pvp. Was good for one week in DF before nerf

[azure thicket]

ye i believe it

[barren plume]

Ahh got ya, sadly I didn’t play legion. Sucks cause I heard it was great

[lilac stag]

legion has rose tinted glasses

[alpine wraith]

going from wod to legion was quite horrible for a lot of people

[lilac stag]

A lot of it was absolute shit, until everything was available

[harsh meadow]

legion to bfa was pretty horrible ngl

[lilac stag]

if you got shit legendaries you were forever fucked

no lube up the butt

[alpine wraith]

yea we got so mad when the softcap of 4 was kinda almost confirmed and blizz tried to gaslight

[harsh meadow]

legion def rose tinted for sure

Infinite AP grind was not fun at all either

[lilac stag]

how many times do you want to run Maw

I’m still jaded my last three legendaries were the 3 bis ones. Not having shoulders until you could farm broken shore was awful

[hazy breach]

The fun part was that because you needed to play the game a lot, a lot of people played the game

So there was always somebody on

[alpine wraith]

that was one thing shadowlands did right tbh

[hazy breach]

Now who the fuck logs into world of warcraft outside of raid night

[alpine wraith]

being able to just craft the leggo

[harsh meadow]

that felt like a double edged sword to me

you miss one day or two days you felt majorly behind

Mop dailies were so much worse though omg

[hazy breach]

Majorly is pushing it

[harsh meadow]

Perhaps. Also FOMO is kind of a “you problem”

[warm marlin]

sometimes key seasons are good

[tribal blade]

BANSHEE'S BLIGHT???

get it in here

make it happen

[short radish]

no. sub rogue is banned from having execute

assassination must keep its niche

of execute

it also must take sub rogues 1.5min cooldowns

and outlaws bladeflurry

but assassination must have its niche of execute and no other rogue can have it

[lilac stag]

Kinda weird that fury and arms both get it to different degrees.

[icy spade]

During the Shadow Blades should I aim for the second Shadow Dance to overlap with the Darkest Night in order to have supercharged big hit? Possibly even outside the Shadow Blades, although I think it is less relevant there.

[plain zephyr]

Weird quesiton.... but Mages use a spell queue window of 400. Do Rogues need a specific one? Is 400 too much?

[lilac stag]

As long as you’re not losing globals no need to worry about it

[plain zephyr]

What is a # where you're not losing globals?

[hazy breach]

You can hit all globals regardless of spellqueue window

The higher the spellqueue window the less you need to spam your next ability

[lilac stag]

Pretty sure 400 is default

I found 200 is good for my spammy nature.

[chrome palm]

There was some reason to play with a low spell queue window in tww but I don’t think this is the case in midnight

[tribal blade]

they could modify it so it doesn't hit more times based on hp %

just a flat chance per CP spent to hit

with a flat amount

[chrome palm]

Me when my mastery is executioner (no eggscute)

[tulip light]

guys - rotational question. if dance (1x charge) and sectech are ready but blades is like 10-15s away do we just sit on sectech and pool the second charge for blades?

[tame terrace]

god i have to get used to pressing evis instead of my rupture button in opener

[tidal marsh]

Just put an extra Evis on your old Rupture keybind

[tame terrace]

lol

i assume we dont need to bs as first builder anymore in dance right

bc strike is so strong?

[harsh meadow]

How do you even change your spell queue window

[tame terrace]

/console SpellQueueWindow X

default is 400

[harsh meadow]

Thanks

[tame terrace]

also do we just ignore silent storm in st?

[hazy breach]

yes

Technically you can spec into the +8% healing on a pure ST

But if youre ever using storm you should have silent storm specced

[tame terrace]

yuh

do we just press sec tech if we get it back up during blades in our second dance?

i guess it comes up after blades ends even at like 39% haste

but question stands, do i press tech during that second dance

[tulip light]

i think u hold till next dance and super charged cp

[chrome palm]

Only if you have supercharger

[tame terrace]

k, def wont mater in midnight when we are at more reasonable haste levels lol

[chrome palm]

Think you need external haste

Who knows

They might actually fix trickster cdr in the last titan

[tame terrace]

wheres the sub apl

i wanna fuck around with something

found it

[tulip light]

is it still worth to funnel evis into a big mob in aoe situations? coming from the shuriken combo days everythign else feels kinda meh in that regard

[chrome palm]

If one mob lives longer than the others, yes

Funnel in general is significantly reduced across the board

[tulip light]

yeah i noticed. that and evis feeling a bit week i was unsure

[tame terrace]

i gues with lust ur first dance lasts just as long as blades

hm

[ebon tiger]

only flat haste affects it. not percentage

[tame terrace]

hm

does it affect sec tech cd

[bleak wind]

have they said anything about the damage meter btw, like adding more to it?

[tame terrace]

ye alust affects sec tech cd, so u can sectech in ur second dance during blades on lust opener

[short radish]

stop being reasonable

that's not allowed here

[tribal blade]

oh ok mb

straya m8

[short radish]

STRAYA

[tribal blade]

gotta get me jocks

[short radish]

its straya day as well

[tribal blade]

STRAYA DAY

upside down salute

nah yehh

nahhh nahh

yeh

[short radish]

also peak australia weather atm

[tribal blade]

i basically have aussie weather here right now

[short radish]

tis a bit warm

[tribal blade]

42 wtf

43

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-25423496

[tribal blade]

but at least you have no humidity

[short radish]

yeah the state im in is always dry heat typically

east coast is more humid

[tribal blade]

humidity legit adds like 5-10c worth of heat

[short radish]

yeah and tbh

i rather this weather than like 33 degrees but humid

[tribal blade]

it's winter here and we have high humidity still

[short radish]

at least you can sweat in this weather to cool down

ooooft

[tribal blade]

summer will shoot up to 90+% humidity

now THAT

is a nightmare

[short radish]

this is sydney atm

[tribal blade]

oh literally the same weather lol

[short radish]

i think they've avoided the australia heatwave though

but its still humid over there

yeah it's really wack. no one ever talks about sydney humidity much

[tribal blade]

i didn't know that

[short radish]

but every time i get off the plane there, it feels like i've entered a sauna

[tribal blade]

when i was in melbourne it's pretty dry

[short radish]

yeah melbourne not as bad

its more south as well

their weather is typically very wet though

[shrewd lantern]

hong kong is permanently humid

thats just how it be

[tribal blade]

oh yeah getting off a plane with humidity feels like you get punched in the face with a wall of water

[tribal blade]

it is yeah

it's never dry here ever

[short radish]

getting off the plane in singapore

[shrewd lantern]

Thank god my family lives near the water

[tribal blade]

oh yeah we have the same weather

[shrewd lantern]

when i visit

[tribal blade]

where do they live?

[short radish]

living near beach/water is like 10% cooler or something. i didn't realise until my mate sent me his weather

like the one i sent above is more cbd/where my mate stays

but im about 37 degrees

and 37 vs 43 is so much cooler

[tribal blade]

dude over here if you go into the city during summer, all the huge skyscrapers trap all the heat

it's bananas

[shrewd lantern]

around kowloon tung

ish

*tong

[tribal blade]

the last time my aussie friend visited here we stepped outside for 2 mins and he was drenched in sweat

[tribal blade]

oh ok nice

[shrewd lantern]

you from sg?

[short radish]

parents are. im full banana australian though

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah reminds me the dimsum is ass abroad

[tribal blade]

i used to hang out in tsim sha tsui a lot

[tribal blade]

oh yeah lol

i had panda express in the US, worst food i've ever eaten

[tribal blade]

OH YOU'RE A BANANA

i'm half white half chinese

[shrewd lantern]

oh yeah americanized chinese is bastardized cantonese

[short radish]

yeah im banana af

[tribal blade]

look mostly white

[short radish]

im full singaporean chinese

but speak none of it

im told my accent is also very australian

[shrewd lantern]

Actually british chinese food

is even more offensive

[tribal blade]

the singapore accent is hilarious

[shrewd lantern]

My dad sounds a bit english when he's drunk

think he learned british english being fully from HK

[tribal blade]

haha yeah locals speaking with a british accent very common here

esp the higher class HKers

[short radish]

my dad told me this story of this time when the singaporean army/ns was doing fighter training against some english/american forces or whatever.

I forget the full version of the story but it goes something like - they (singaporeans) were getting their asses kicked until they realised that they were being listened into their communications, so they just swapped to singlish and won the training battle

[shrewd lantern]

Don't ask if he british though

Cantonese canonically better to swear than mandarin however.

[tribal blade]

HAHA singlish nice

we have chinglish

[tribal blade]

yeah it's also way harder to speak

double the tones

[short radish]

i agree, canto sounds much more fun to swear in

[shrewd lantern]

Well depends

My mom's from taiwan and the type of hardcore "traditional is better" group

[short radish]

how very chinese of her

[shrewd lantern]

i still feel fuck is the most universal swear

[short radish]

its very useful

[shrewd lantern]

@tribal blade Not me teaching my abroad friend all the "endearing" terms HKers use for foreigners.

"Why do i feel like the old people lowk racist asf"

[tribal blade]

oh they are 100% racist haha

don't even try to hide it

it's not considered taboo

[short radish]

asians do competitive racism

none of this casual shit