subtlety

[lilac stag]

arcui

[jolly sleet]

Like the only one I havent tested yet lol , tyvm

[void ocean]

this sentence encapsulates so well the availability blizz was going after

[lilac stag]

little did I know I'd be able to use my BA in Art & Design for UI design to fix blizzards shit

[void ocean]

well bothsentences

[jolly sleet]

i'm using a forked NDUi (just for the skinning tbh) along with :

• MSUF for player & target
• Centered CDM
• Sensei's resource bars

That's all for combat addons, but If I can replace Centered CDM & Sensei's by arc imma test it !

[lilac stag]

you need Sensei

[jolly sleet]

ok

[lilac stag]

arc is currently only cdm

[jolly sleet]

but if it has bar skinning that's neat, I havent seen that anywhere else

[jolly sleet]

Sick !

Now I can have my weakauras at home

[lilac stag]

ngl i've hit /wa a few times while using arc

[dry plank]

You were using Delvin’s wa pack before?

[swift tinsel]

now we get Arc Auras

[lilac stag]

no, a modified version of LE

[swift tinsel]

time to vibe out watching X-Files and farming Endeavors til cap

[lilac stag]

i need to see about adding textures back to the game. 😐

[swift tinsel]

ah yeah I haven't gotten around to that yet either

just clean icons so far

[lilac stag]

that's been there for a few weeks

[plush roost]

yall thinkin or

any math geniouses out there

[swift tinsel]

I'd guess +26

[lilac stag]

crit

gimme more crit

[swift tinsel]

ye rounding error crit

[lilac stag]

if you dont have gems the primary

[plush roost]

.6% increased crit dam or 8 ap hmmmmm

[swift tinsel]

laughs in Finality

[lilac stag]

you'd be amazed how many people couldnt sim that gem correctly to actually see the gains

[swift tinsel]

if we didn't gain a handful of crit dmg talents

[plush roost]

wait that gem is half a dagger of ap

holy samole

[lilac stag]

it's EPIC duh

[jolly sleet]

tysm now its playable

(the rogue is level 13 dw about icons)

[torn tide]

how long will ilevel 140 even last u in midnight anyway, like till lvl 83?

[lilac stag]

[keen dome]

rogue tank?

[keen dome]

the speed gem

get to the enemies faster to stab them more

[steel horizon]

anyone figure out how to make coup glow on 4 stacks with arc ui? is it possible?

[tidal marsh]

"why's his auto-attack damage so high compared to me"

"speed gem"

[keen dome]

I got to the boss two steps before you. That's an auto-attack. I'm winning.

[lilac stag]

You want the buff to glow or?

[steel horizon]

yeah but only on 4 stacks. when coup is ready

so far i can only make it glow whenever the aura is active which is kind of pointless

[lilac stag]

yeah that’s a blizzard thing afaik

Somehow elv was able to pull the VE racial

[steel horizon]

i figured. other than that though arc has been good. thanks for recmmending that yesterday

[lilac stag]

this is the nice part

[long cave]

raw dog no addons, 0% usage

[steel horizon]

silver lining to the addon purge. lmao

[long cave]

[lilac stag]

arc maybe hits 4% with everything going

[swift tinsel]

holy shit lmao

[keen dome]

I will never uninstall this addon.

[swift tinsel]

I'm at like 25mb total

[keen dome]

Anyway I need more RAM.

[bleak night]

worth

[lilac stag]

that'll be $4500

[keen dome]

(The peak CPU is when I refreshed ATT's haha)

[swift tinsel]

I have my menu set to hide using Tartan's so I can't ss without redoing it and I cba lol

[keen dome]

You can check in the addon menu itself

[swift tinsel]

ye it just doesn't show the per-addon breakdown

[keen dome]

Ah, fair

[swift tinsel]

whoa arcui pushed an update and now my forge and prism are just standalone

[keen dome]

Nice

[swift tinsel]

lol

also all the borders got weird

[keen dome]

High5 best rogue set

[swift tinsel]

[bleak night]

im giving arcui some time to cook before i swap to it

because of stuff like that

lmao

[swift tinsel]

ITS SO GOOD

[keen dome]

Feature I want for the CDM: Trinket slots that let you put items into them to track, and are on a different positioning (like essential / utility, etc)

[swift tinsel]

it matches the base kingslayers hidden skin perfectly

[swift tinsel]

this looks incredible holy shit

[keen dome]

Purple 4 life (until the next season 'cos I really like the new rogue tier)

[swift tinsel]

if this came in purple I'd rock it so hard

[keen dome]

Hopefully we get recolours

[swift tinsel]

or the Bloodknight dignitary's trappings

[keen dome]

The conq pvp set is purple in S1

I really like it

"I'm batman"

[keen dome]

Purple teeeeam

[lilac stag]

well 2 hours of testing Elv to see it's still shit was time well spent

[swift tinsel]

I need to make an updated purple set for midnight

[swift tinsel]

Is this the pvp set?

For some reason it doesn’t show in my appearance tab

[keen dome]

Yeah, S1 Elite

[swift tinsel]

Ah damn

Rip

[keen dome]

You better believe I got the purple ethereal set haha

Ain't no chance I'm missing it. (same reasonI got the S2 warrior set)

[swift tinsel]

I just cannot force myself to enjoy pvp enough to get elite sets

If it’s not available for marks of honor I don’t get it lol

[keen dome]

Yeee

THankfully Elite really isn't hard in Blitz late seaosn when rating inflation is huge but it's still PvP

[swift tinsel]

The most pvp I’ve done since like cataclysm or so is Comp Stomp

Besides farming Epic bg’s for honor kills for hidden appearances

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah, 1 addon update and nothing sits right anymore

[swift tinsel]

Tweaks did and and it broke literally everything for me and I couldn’t access Layout mode so I got rid of it entirely lol

[lilac stag]

The poofy arms and the lower dropped shoulders irritate me

[swift tinsel]

It was also acting weird with trickster and would bug out and flicker a bunch every time I got an escalating blade stack

[keen dome]

I tend to dislike shoulders on most things.

So agreed. I like the poofy arms though haha

[swift tinsel]

I just don’t really vibe with the jester theme so it’s not for me

[lilac stag]

I need to make a gunslinger mog

[fallow nimbus]

Ngl when blizz adds more things to cdm like trinkets, items and allows skins then we would have a good system. When addons can do it why not the base one?

[swift tinsel]

One of the tan trench coats works well for a gunslinger mog

Wish there was a legitimate cowboy hat that isnt just a weak derivation

[lilac stag]

why can we not add any buff that appears in the upper right corner from our player? Copilot Coded CDM

[lilac stag]

The SL one is nice

[swift tinsel]

The Nathria one?

Or what one do you mean

[lilac stag]

yeah the pvp variant

[swift tinsel]

Ohhh

Yeah I think I tried using that one but the colors were a bit off from what I had to work with

Actually think I still have that mog saved

[lilac stag]

I’ll try to get something fallout ghoul going

Not sure it’s possible

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-elliot-ghost-rider-sam-elliot-ghost-rider-carter-slade-ghost-rider-carter-slade-gif-21610614

What the s2 mog could have been

Instead of pirate

[lilac stag]

yup

[tulip light]

hello friends - does the darkest night evis interact with supercharged compo points? do we want to tie them together whenever possible?

[craggy star]

Hello, quick question I am new to rogue. I am looking at the opener in the wowhead guide and was curious What the point of the Eviscerate before going into your first shadow dance/ secret window is for?

[swift tinsel]

Interacts, yeah, but we don’t really play around it atm

Could change later

[hazy breach]

Yes, but prioritize getting it with secret technique

[tulip light]

sweet thanks!

[fallow nimbus]

I guess we will see 1 gunslinger mog in midnight or last titan

[dry plank]

Purple/white so next season I’m not gray log anymore but purple ahahaha

[hazy breach]

Slice and dice, but its not crucial

[craggy star]

Ok I was just curious ty

[fallow nimbus]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[upbeat smelt]

Question, one tap of a button will execute all those things on the second macro or do you have to keep tapping it?

[vagrant fulcrum]

This macro came back kekw

[hazy breach]

One

[vagrant fulcrum]

You’d only have issues if you pressed it while on the gcd, and in that case only sectec wouldn’t go off

[lilac stag]

Swifty Macro Sub

[azure thicket]

hey uh has anyone had raider io not update a dungeon run before? armory shows i have a timed 17 gambit and a week later it still hasn't shown up on raider io ._.p

[vale pine]

probably takes a bit

[azure thicket]

ye i contacted support and they said download the client just taking a shot in the dark :b

[wheat cloak]

are you supposed to not be able to consume deathstalkers mark stacks if you have a darkest night up?

[vale pine]

you ignore mark with multiple targets

or wdym?

[swift tinsel]

can't reduce mark when dn is up

[wheat cloak]

as in if you black powder when you have darkest night up, it wont consume a stack

[vale pine]

^ what haptic mentioned

[wheat cloak]

ahh okok

[dry plank]

Feels like a bug but may be designed who knows 🙂

[vale pine]

it is a bug

it was fixed

then re introduced when a bug for assassiantion was fixed

and buggy ever since

[dry plank]

Amen

[vagrant fulcrum]

this sounds good actually

since if we ignore marks to BP regardless of DN this just gives us extra singular focus dmg right?

[dry plank]

Instead of complain to make BP work on DN and fix bug so it will consume DN+mark stack we glad that bug work in suitable way 🙂

[vagrant fulcrum]

bro I gave up on BP with DN LONG ago

they won't do it, the spec would actually be playable fully blindfolded

[dry plank]

That’s great we need to get into Meta like fdk so people come and start to complain and they’ll do it

[vagrant fulcrum]

it's just a tuning lottery, we'll see how it plays out when the expac drops

[plush roost]

@hazy breach https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vLBbtdn9XG3ak4Zf

singular is like 3% overall

[torn tide]

is deathstalker better than trickster for M+

[visual lark]

!ss

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[plush roost]

but then u look at this log

and its number 1 on first boss

this one is 3

the average hit is all over the place for it tho its really weird

ik target count effects it but first boss algethar doesnt really deviate from target counts

just how fast targets are dying

[zealous vine]

why does /cast Shadow Dance /cast Secret Technique work but /cast Shadow Dance /cast Shadowstrike doesnt?

[plush roost]

is bugged

[swift tinsel]

I'm tellin ya they need to make DN store damage from Mass Casualty

[visual lark]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[bleak night]

now thats a macro

[void hound]

sub sure feels like the new resident sleeper spec for rogue now

[placid elk]

true

[harsh meadow]

havent heard that take yet

[void hound]

i havent played the other specs yet, but i find it hard to imagine they have less going on

[placid elk]

i sent blizz feedback telling them ret paladins will reroll to sub rogue because its too easy

[plush roost]

/cast Ancestral Call
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Shadow Dance
/say uncs still got it
/yell UNCs Bouncing on IT

[placid elk]

that will make them fix it

[plush roost]

Now thats a macro

[harsh meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/happywithoutjt-stan-twitter-dance-white-man-gif-16831888052876107003

[bleak night]

why isnt this the one in the command

our leadership has failed us

[plush roost]

https://tenor.com/view/unc-still-got-it-gif-6384030002593541773

[harsh meadow]

me entering shadow dance

[placid elk]

skinny kul tiran

[sullen hare]

hatin' on this man that's actually got a little schmoove to him? couldn't be me

[placid elk]

ez steal

[harsh meadow]

whoa now i never said such thing

[sullen hare]

naw not you

[harsh meadow]

as a fellow unc i wish i had those silky hips

[sullen hare]

who ever put that brainrot stupid-ass caption on it

[sullen hare]

this man walks by the butter aisle and it all melts

[placid elk]

fun thing it works with my background music i listen rn

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/an-unc-boomer-dad-joke-dad-meme-full-unc-gif-16824491283080903357

[sour granite]

are we happy in pve about deathstalker's mark not moving to new targets if already applied?

because in pvp that is completely miserable to play around

[lilac stag]

No one is happy with mark

except the dev

[sour granite]

understandable :]

[swift tinsel]

if they did it because they didn't want us swapping marks to not trigger DN in aoe then just make DN a compelling buff to consume in aoe

simple as

[vagrant fulcrum]

they tried, idk what more they can do except making dn work with bp

[swift tinsel]

how did they try

[vagrant fulcrum]

they added that shit that makes you do aoe when you consume marks

[swift tinsel]

that's not DN

[vagrant fulcrum]

think for 10 seconds

if you ignore DN to spam BP that's what you're mainly giving up in regards to aoe dmg

[swift tinsel]

you actively avoid spending DN

[vagrant fulcrum]

yes

[swift tinsel]

that's...what we do

[vagrant fulcrum]

therefore

THE MARK CONSUMPTION AOE IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TUNINGWISE TO LEAD TO THE INTENDED GAMEPLAY OF NOT IGNORING DN

[swift tinsel]

or

[vagrant fulcrum]

aka they added a node to avoid this specific issue

and they didnt tune it

if you just say put bp on dn yes, we've been asking this shit since s1

tww

and they wont do it

[swift tinsel]

BP itself does more damage to justify just using that over considering Mass Casualty anyways, which, when considering the change to nimble they needed to make BP a compelling button in its own right

[bleak night]

deathstalker rework in the last titan

trust

[swift tinsel]

there's a few ways to make DN viable in aoe

they just refuse to do any of them

[vagrant fulcrum]

bro they couldnt have just made it a 10s dot when you press blades then make everything else a buff on you, could they

nah let's have some GARBAGE

[swift tinsel]

so baking damage into mark consumption with BP will be fucky

they need to address DN itself

[vagrant fulcrum]

fundamentally eviscerate is just too shit of a button

[swift tinsel]

well

[vagrant fulcrum]

if it was remotely good enough relative to bp dn should make it compelling

[swift tinsel]

initially it was whatever bc they didn't care how ds worked for sub

and they could just have it be envenom for sin bc they have spatter

but now that ds is comparable to trickster in aoe

sub only being able to use dn on evisc (and it being shit regardless) makes it even more apparent

[vagrant fulcrum]

it's funny, they're trying to dial back the aoe armsrace but it's causing them issues like this

they gave out too much free aoe to too many classes

[warm marlin]

I strongly think that now that evis is uncoupled from nimble they can buff tf out of it more

should be much easier for them to tune sub st now

[vagrant fulcrum]

issue is coup still ties it to aoe

would be safer to buff generators than evisc, even if it's a lot less cool

[warm marlin]

ya but they could nerf coup

or trickster generally

[fallow nimbus]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[plush roost]

Evis 150% buff or i riot

[finite crow]

is this even worth?

[swift tinsel]

Very much so

[placid lynx]

blind is single target again?

[finite crow]

ye i missunderstood it lmao i tought it was 1 dmg

new to rogue

[viral phoenix]

w/ the opener is it a consideration to realign ur GCDs before entering the 2nd dance in blades? Like when I get the last GCD off barely in 1st dance do I wait a GCD before 2nd dance + next GCD or just insta send shadow dance in between GCDs? Or is there not even a difference

[warm marlin]

try to wait until your gcd is ready

dont want to waste dance time

[void hound]

yeah you never want to clip your dance

[finite crow]

im kinda clueless on the gear now how mutch haste should i look for for an allarounder

[warm marlin]

especially with haste making dance time not a strict integer you're probably going to lose a gcd if you clip it

[warm marlin]

for prepatch like 30%+

35 ideally i think

[finite crow]

and what should i sacrifice the most for it?

vers or mastery?

[void ocean]

What do you guys think, what are the odds we will get more default UI settings before the release?

Like in terms of more options

[bleak night]

100%, since there are damage meter things on beta that arent on live

[twin quartz]

Do you guys know if logs can be trusted right now? The dps meter certainly can’t be

[bleak night]

technically correct is the best kind of correct

[hazy breach]

Nothing changed about logs

[muted girder]

are we wanting more mastery or vers right now? sims seem to be saying vers, but most of the top logs have higher mastery than vers

[hazy breach]

But the dps meter can be trusted, its just ass

[twin quartz]

It’s just weird. My dps meter doesn’t match anywhere near what the logs say on any fight in the raid so far

I thought I was doing 28k, but I was doing nearly double on the log

So it was odd and didn’t know which to trust or not trust

[twin quartz]

I imagine that’s because most folks have either heavy crit/mastery or vers/mastery sets for sin or sub before the patch. I for one don’t have a ton of haste/vers items so I’m a bit mastery heavy as well

[twin quartz]

I managed to find a bit over 30% haste and that puts my dance at a bit over over 8 seconds and my sectech at just under 20 seconds, so it seems to mesh fine. I imagine it could be optimal to find more if you could find enough haste to fit 2 sectechs in shadowblades, but I feel like that’d be a ton of haste

[harsh meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/happywithoutjt-stan-twitter-dance-white-man-gif-16831888052876107003

[alpine wraith]

you dont fit 2 sec techs in blades anyway

because it is better so supercharge it on 3rd dance

[twin quartz]

You get more pump with lingering darkness/supercharge I’m guessing

[alpine wraith]

think lingering is bugged with sec tech but yea

[twin quartz]

Ahh, gotcha

[alpine wraith]

but also numbers are not final so who knows

maybe it becomes worth somehow

[fallow nimbus]

guys, where is that 1% extra haste coming from then alacrity gives 3%?

[alpine wraith]

are you human gobling or NE

[fallow nimbus]

no

voidelf

[alpine wraith]

no idea

[fallow nimbus]

is the real stat haste the one for the 35%?

[plain zephyr]

Why do we Evis here, instead of just doing Shadow Strike -> Shadow Dance/Blades -> Secret Tech

[alpine wraith]

when you strike from stealth you get full cp

so you evis for snd

[plain zephyr]

ahhhhhh SnD thnaks

thanks*

No SnD off Secret Technique. Makes sense. Thank you

[fallow nimbus]

what's wierd is, i get only 3,63% haste in m+ gear with lower haste while i get 4.01% in the st setup

from somewhere, so alacrity seems to be not 3%

or wierd 3%

[remote knot]

If, theoretically, I wanted to go all in on Shadow Damage(mainly for thematic reasons), how would I fessibly shuffle the talents around so that i can get both Gloomblade and Dark Brew? (note, I do not do Mythic+ or Mythic raiding or any super bleeding edge content or anything like that. I'm a casual scrub that does heroics, delves, etc. My main use for Sub spec is as my primary Delve spec)

[real ravine]

I wonder what race be better now, with everything being on 1:30 and racial for Maghar at 2mins

[warm marlin]

haste is multiplicative

[sly shore]

it multiplies of itself

it's a unique stat

[warm marlin]

so when you add 31.87% haste and 3% haste together, you do 31.87% + 3%, but also add 31.87% OF 3%, which gives you the extra 1%

[fallow nimbus]

that's like wierd and stupid

[warm marlin]

just means that haste, unlike other stats, benefits more from external/class buffs

[fallow nimbus]

it's funny that once tfd is active the dance duration in deepening shoots up

like everything wierdly scales with eachother

[haughty mural]

Would probably an easy solution to make evis „spatter“ on DN for us

[swift tinsel]

Ye that’d be the layup way to do it which wouldn’t be hard to tune

[flint parrot]

first rogues on logs, kuddle and others used symbiosis before the nerf so it's obv fake numbers

[haughty mural]

Ya my thoughts

[hazy breach]

Ye like ryldd said with haste buffs that arent stat specific is multiplicative, so tis 1.3187 (haste from gear) x 1.03 (haste from alacrity)

Same with BP and PI

[fallow nimbus]

0.02% too much

31,09+3+(31,09x0.03)=35,0227

[queen plinth]

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

rogue gonna be bench spec?

[hazy breach]

No reason to believe that

[weary tree]

We still have atrophic 🤷

[west arch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[queen plinth]

what spec does currently perform best?

[weary tree]

Idk man /cointoss and pick

[queen plinth]

xD

[warm marlin]

it's a wow season, so you'll probably play 1x sub in early prog and later prog it will be 1x assa

[queen plinth]

well unlucky so def 1 rogue not more yea?

[red vortex]

Man asks in pre patch

And says xD on coinflip answer

[warm marlin]

pretty much always going to play at least 1, 2 is rare and most guilds don't even have 2 good rogues to field

[cursive vapor]

pre patch = season

[warm marlin]

cant say anything conclusive this early but i wouldnt expect 2

[queen plinth]

gg mage is doomed, rogue spot is prolly taken already. whjat do i play

[red vortex]

We got like a month of pre patch

With tuning to come

Won't know till we know

Which is start of season

[warm marlin]

warlock

[bleak night]

[warm marlin]

if you arent raiding at the level where you're going to hard play the rwf comp, i actually think double rogue is pretty good

tanky, cheat death, both assa/sub are bursty and can do prio damage/add killing jobs (sub better at adds obv)

[red vortex]

Just need 2 rogues to have competition

[clever lintel]

Honestly even after launch shits gunna get tunned. I just always have a class or two in my back pocket if rogue ends up being shit. But I haven't had much issues getting into mythic raids

[red vortex]

We thrive on that

[red vortex]

Unless u top10 guild it really doesn't matter

[dense coyote]

question ... is it normal to be energy starved by the time the time you use the second shadow dance ..... ?

or am i doing something wrong ?

[past token]

i cant seem to make shadow dance go off with the first macro...

[alpine wraith]

it can happen

think one of those broke yea

[spiral sierra]

put shadow dance below sectec

[alpine wraith]

dont do that

you will lose the DM proc

[hazy breach]

Sectech doesnt proc DM currently (its bugged)

But it will do less damage yes

[uneven scarab]

why tf doesnt it proc dm

Oh

dumb

[hazy breach]

Coup doesnt either

[uneven scarab]

[hazy breach]

But apex procced eviscerate does

So if you have apex procced and use eviscerate you get 2 procs of DM

[uneven scarab]

[hazy breach]

No, check your talents

[uneven scarab]

Everything in working order for sure

[alpine wraith]

XD man

[hazy breach]

You cant use dance while stealthed (or have subterfuge active for some reason) if youre trying that

[inner tinsel]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[austere spear]

why does the shadowblades macro in faq not work currently? trying to use it after i first exit stealth and activate shadowblades but still having to press SD late

[tulip light]

@alpine wraith regarding opener - why do we not skip the first evis and go ss dance sectech?

[alpine wraith]

to get snd

otherwise you get 2 to 3 extra secs with no snd

[hazy breach]

Idk some others have mentioned it, but it works fine for me

[pastel geyser]

god bless not having to press rupture anymore

[vale pine]

macro worked for me when i tested

[austere spear]

it is working i am just dumb and thought sectech was also in there when it is not

[fallow nimbus]

worked for me too but i switched back to manually pressing cds

[vale pine]

i have secret/dance seperated atm

i need to see if i lose gcd's due to that

[fallow nimbus]

what about pressing secret then dance you know spell queue and such

like we did with dfa before the big hit

[vale pine]

you lose ms

but its like this

you gain a certain amount of extra space from haste

the extra time save is relevant if the extra gcd barely fits

or if you play trickster i guess, because of the 1.2 sec gcd on coup

so the macro only rly helps you with consistency depending on your actual haste values

[lilac stag]

It works. It’s either not on your stealth/non-stealth bar or you’re hitting it mid gcd

[austere spear]

ye i said i was dumb it is working

[fallow nimbus]

i mean pressing sectec then dance right before the clones hit followed by strike

[willow pawn]

@plush roost

[vale pine]

could possibly do that

[plush roost]

LMFAO

[spice matrix]

good work soldier

[vagrant fulcrum]

Tbh I’m predicting sub to have quite good overall in keys

Always does when black powder is well tuned

[radiant swift]

is there like a way to stop these constant error messages from addons besides dissabling them?

[soft summit]

loving the new and improved sub spec

Blizzard really did good with this.. now im worried we'll be nerfed

[swift tinsel]

download Buggrabber and Bugsack

[twin quartz]

For now I have a regular dance macro, a dance+sectech macro, a dance+sectech+shadowblades macro, and a shadowblades+dance macro to see what feels best on reducing partial global loss. My dance duration is 8.1s with where my haste is now, so it’s pretty tight

[swift tinsel]

and in the options turn off notifications so you don't hear a little voice going "Fatality!" every few seconds

but that will keep lua errors from popping up in the middle of your screen

[radiant swift]

fucking great thank you very much

i just hear dingdingdingdingding in the middle of a m+ run

[clever lintel]

100% agree. People just like to act like they're a top 10 guild

[viral phoenix]

rotationally when you guys get back to shadow blades whats your amount of dances / sec tech lookin like? 2 full charges or 1+1/2 ish of dance? Is sec tech always in ur first dance in cds or is it sometimes in the 2nd dance?

[hazy breach]

2 full dances

Unless you get BL youre not getting 2 sectechs anyway

So as long as you supercharge it kinda doesnt matter

[steel zinc]

nice!

[bleak wind]

is there a way to disable cold blood sound and/or animation, that thing is gonna be very annoying

[viral phoenix]

Is there a rough target count of how big the aoe situation should be to ignore darkest night?

[hazy breach]

Like 4 or 5

[hazy breach]

Some people said you could delete the sound file so it cant play but im not entirely sure

[bleak wind]

I know addons can add stuff but are you allowed to delete files?

[alpine wraith]

it has 2 sounds i found one

/run MuteSoundFile(568961)

but there is still a freeze kinda sound

think it is the icy veins sound so if someone finds it and mutes it too maybe it works

[tulip light]

fair - what if we have a slice running already (talking m+ going from pack to pack)

[sterile aurora]

hello! I'm new to rogue and am considering it for main in Mn.

playing sub atm

I do pvp as well

[bronze turret]

”Mn” is a missed opportunity. How about Mid

[sterile aurora]

Mdn?

right now im learning the must have macros etc.

is there anything else i should macro shadow dance with besides shadow blades and secret technique?

[alpine wraith]

then you can strike dance sec tech

[strange heath]

does black powder not consume DS mark?

sometimes it consumes it sometimes it doesnt

[sacred gull]

it should consume, unless you have the Darkest Night buff already

[strange heath]

wdym?

[sacred gull]

I edited

sometimes you can have both the DS mark on target, and the buff Darkest night at the same time

[strange heath]

yeah i just noticed

is that intended?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[sacred gull]

when it happens, your next evi consumes Darkest night but don't consume a stack of DS mark

[sacred gull]

so I guess if you BP it does the same

[hazy breach]

It only mentions eviscerate, but its all finishers

[strange heath]

gotcha

so i should just dump the buff with evis in aoe

and then continue BP

[sacred gull]

yes

[hazy breach]

No

Strike once when darkest night is up

And then continue to bp, ignoring the mark

It does more damage

[sacred gull]

you mean to get full CP ?

[hazy breach]

Strike to apply the mark

[sacred gull]

and no evi ?

[hazy breach]

Correct

[sacred gull]

so better to hold your darkest night and block the DS mark ?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[sacred gull]

ok, I wil ltry to understand why ^^

[hazy breach]

Its been this way for almost all of tww too fwiw

BP does more damage than DN eviscerate+mark damage combined, even with mass casualty

[sacred gull]

didn't play DS zih sub until now

[strange heath]

i understand that

but my question

is with the hero talent

oh

i see the edit

so its not even worth it?

[hazy breach]

Not worth using DN in bigger aoe

On like 3 targets its fine

But 8 nah

[sacred gull]

ok

[strange heath]

confused still

oh

[strange heath]

and this is literally just because one global of BP is more damage than DN+Evis+Mass casualty dmg after?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[strange heath]

and when you said it was intended, are we sure its actually intended if the tooltip only mentions evis?

[hazy breach]

Yes

It was a bug in tww, but they purposefully changed the tooltip to add that "bug"

Why? Who the fuck knows

hero talent has felt like ass the entire tww and they made it feel even worse for some reason

[strange heath]

okay but clearly theres a discrepancy here if its not acting in accordance to the tooltip, so really the text should be updated?

but agreed

[hazy breach]

Tooltips is wow are notoriously awful

[strange heath]

hate this hero tree lol

im just asking for my own sanity because it literally unintuitive as hell

[sacred gull]

yeah, I remember when I started sub, got so confused with the hero talent cleave system

in trickster

[swift tinsel]

to be fair, you'd think if a tooltip said X/Y/Z cleaves to 7 nearby enemies you'd continue using them to that threshold

instead of starting aoe at 4

[strange heath]

so realistically mass casualty is just ass?

[hazy breach]

No its really good

A pure ST eviscerate in aoe is ass

[swift tinsel]

give us combo back by having DN absorb % of mass casualty mark dmg

[sacred gull]

must be good in 3 targets, or when you have to prio target in AOE

[strange heath]

so pure ST eviscerate in AOE is worse than not having mass casualty up for the entire pull?

this hero spec is so broken lol

so they essentially coded an "intended" interaction that stops me from using my hero talent for an entire pull if i go into the pull with darkest night

[hazy breach]

What

No

Theyve decided to make darkest night not do anything in aoe

The talent functions, youre just purposefully ignoring it

[strange heath]

if you have darkest night buff up, you cant iterate on the DS mark

[hazy breach]

Correct

But you can apply it with strike

[strange heath]

ik but does mass casualty work even if your finishers are consuming a stack?

[hazy breach]

No

[strange heath]

thats what im saying

so if you go into a pull with darkest night up, then re-apply mark, you lose mass casualty for 30 seconds unless you evis right?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[strange heath]

thats what i meant by this

[hazy breach]

Its done that way to "force" us to use darkest night

Its just not worth it anyway

[strange heath]

so is that a tuning issue

or is it just dumb lol

[hazy breach]

I mean theyre not gonna buff darkest night to like 300%

Its just poorly designed

And thats not even mentioning being unable to move the mark

If you want to swap target? Sorry bud no can do, mark is stuck

[strange heath]

at what point do they just nuke deathstalker

its actually horrible

[hazy breach]

If you accidently let your mark be on the paladin bosses when they bubble

Your mark is gone for the entire fight, no possible way to reapply

[strange heath]

and the 30% shadow dmg buff after blades end, i mean thats cool, but why tf wouldnt they just bake it into my cds??

[hazy breach]

Same in pvp

[hazy breach]

It also doesnt work on secret technique or shadow clones from apex

[strange heath]

like why do i get the buff after i do a shit ton of shadow dmg, when ret pally hits 1 button and everythings baked into wings

genuinely jut feels terrible

singular focus is the only redeeming thing about that tree

[hazy breach]

You can select the talent that buffs the burst instead though

Thats a sensible choice

Like that choice node is genuinely fine

[strange heath]

remove all other hero talents in death stalker, but buff singular focus to 20%

would genuinely be better

[hazy breach]

The other choice node is just "bp+storm damage" vs "better bp+storm damage"

[strange heath]

i noticed this too i was like wtf lol

im coming from sin rogue

and deathstalker is still ass

but it made some sense

[hazy breach]

Well yeah its clearly designed for assa

[strange heath]

whats the general opinion about them reducing sub to like 3 buttons?

[shrewd lantern]

i mean flag going was fine

since it was literally just a setup global

[strange heath]

flag was horrible agreed

[shrewd lantern]

well i didnt mind flag when it did damage

but when it was just a buff that had the same cd as sb

whats the point of it costing a global

[strange heath]

i feel like thistle tea is still a pain point

its even more useless without the mastery

[shrewd lantern]

Not really with how few times you take tea

as sub

[strange heath]

talking in general

[hazy breach]

Just dont track it or think about it

[shrewd lantern]

you guys overthink tea

its crazy

[strange heath]

im not overthinking, it just feels archaeic

like its an active ability at bottom of talent tree that i dont press?

feels weird

[shrewd lantern]

i have it macroed for both specs

people like to pretend the mastery matters

I feel it was made to appeal to nostalgia boomers

[strange heath]

that was my thinking too

[shrewd lantern]

like instant poison is also frankly useless

assa at least its lethal poisons have spec interaction

[strange heath]

they should just full send into the shadow theme

like why not make the poisons shadow in a way

doing nature dmg with instant poison when im out here making shadow clones lol

[shrewd lantern]

pretty sure the only complaints i saw about nightblade

were pvp pauls complaining other rogues could cloak it off but not rupture

when vanishing

[strange heath]

sin gets poison, outlaw gets sharpen blades, sub gets some shadow enhancement

thematically makes sense

cant convince me otherwise

[shrewd lantern]

well the "cool" outlaw ability got nipped in df beta

giving your party cdr

[strange heath]

welcome aug

[shrewd lantern]

I'm gonna be real

i see lizards as a priest mobility external

more than a class

[finite crow]

how neglectable is haste in m+

[pale sequoia]

Is it not possible to macro Shadow Dance, Shadow Blades and Secret Technique as a single button macro?

It seems like this use to be a thing, but it is just not casting Shadow Dance for me

[hazy breach]

It is

[pale sequoia]

Is it Subterfuge that is interfering?

[hazy breach]

Make sure you are not in stealth when pressing it

Yes

[pale sequoia]

Ahh ok

[hazy breach]

I would recommend to spec a talent that provides any form of damage instead of subterfuge

[pale sequoia]

Can macros do something if you have a certain talent?

This was for my delves build

but I do find it annoying

Much better

Should I always have a Shadow Dance on charge, or should I always wait for Secret Technique?

[sterile aurora]

im making sure i always have a charge for shadow blades

[plush roost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1HNZ7xmnLD2B3fhV?fight=14&type=damage-done

doe sis rogue is bad?

[hazy breach]

Yep Yoda put it in B tier so it's bad

[plush roost]

maybe I changed his mind today ^_^

[woeful wren]

We have no AoE stops anymore, no buff for party. So unless shroud routes are insane or we have an actual buff to bring I can see why ppl rate rogue low if it's not ahead by a mile

[thorny wagon]

In the guide it says to use Dance with low cp. But can i also use it with 6+ cp so my first global inside Dance is a finisher ?

[plush roost]

you can just be aware the premediation (the full cp first builder buff) has a bug that prevents our cps from refilling with apex

[thorny wagon]

Aye thank you

[plush roost]

its less relevenat on trickster, DS for some reason really likes striking first according to sims

[chrome palm]

no raid buffs holy

but tier list was below frost???

how could this be

[alpine wraith]

i mean we do decent dmg

problem is nowadays that is not enough

like rarely you brick a key because you lack dmg

[chrome palm]

no i feel thats fairly common

like if the class just does the most damage i think you just bring it

[plush roost]

entirety of s3 tww was, "sorry this class or you dont bring enough damage"

need BM hunter sry

need DH prio sorry

ele dam

[chrome palm]

also, funnel profiles were tuned down a lot

[alpine wraith]

depends if it is like surv or demo lock in s3 shadowlands yea

[chrome palm]

while sub is getting a better profile

[alpine wraith]

sub is doing decent in midnight trust

[woeful wren]

I mean it was only about prio dmg and/or needing lust/cr

[alpine wraith]

just be the group lead

and be the classist

only monk warr shaman and druid allowed

[chrome palm]

bro put monk up there 💀

[plush roost]

thoughts on prio damage gamers?

[alpine wraith]

and that is with lots of cp and general dmg bugs

[woeful wren]

SF feels way worse than it should

[chrome palm]

what is everyone else doing to ti

ig its aug key

so its just you and mage

[woeful wren]

But its better than nothing

[plush roost]

actual boss dam

[chrome palm]

skyfury is like 7.5% last time i asked lol

its by far the strongest raid buff for sub

[plush roost]

Not having skyfury is actually so insanely noticeable

now

like holy

[woeful wren]

I felt it in s3

Playing with dru vs sham

[plush roost]

25% attack speed and swift slasher just amplifies skyfuries autos so much

[chrome palm]

i just played thistle tea without rsham

but the whole apex is getting buffed by shaman

[plush roost]

yea

[woeful wren]

Too bad feral sucks atm

Or phys comp could be stonks

[chrome palm]

rdruid is strong

enh is strong(?)

there is a path for rogue in the meta, just needs to be tuned well

[woeful wren]

enh always been largely magic tho no?

[chrome palm]

doesnt matter

at all

monk is largely magic

sub is largely magic

sub doesnt play in "phys comp"

[woeful wren]

s3 monk debuff in m+ was like 3.5-4% overall increase?

wut

[chrome palm]

phys was like 65% of your dps in keys or something

also

[alpine wraith]

evis and bp do a ton of phys dmg monk buff is not bad

[chrome palm]

its not about the damage buff

[alpine wraith]

just not the best

[woeful wren]

no chance it was that low

[chrome palm]

phys comp is about small consistent pulls

[alpine wraith]

druid and shaman are better

[chrome palm]

which sub is not good at

you just play outlaw for that comp

which gets more benefit from monk buff

[sterile aurora]

is the DR poison rogues have just not worth using?

[chrome palm]

if you did a key with phys comp like a FG as sub, its miserable

because you never have cds for half the packs

[chrome palm]

its worth using

[woeful wren]

wut

i was doing flood 21 with all cds every pack

[sterile aurora]

so thats a rogues raid utility then?

[chrome palm]

yes

[chrome palm]

then they werent doing a phys route it seems like

[woeful wren]

why would u path for outlaw when ur with sub/feral?

[chrome palm]

thats why im saying sub isnt really fit for phys comp

because the routing is bad for it

[woeful wren]

it was our best comp

comp =/= route

what

[alpine wraith]

depends you can always talk it out

[woeful wren]

if ur playing 8 target route its for fury/outlaw. if ur sub ofc u play around the feral/sub

[alpine wraith]

it is never cut and dry

even diff people do diff routes with same comp

[chrome palm]

sub had a lot of comps it worked in

you didnt need feral or monk or anything

many top runs as sub dont have these

[woeful wren]

our best comp to shine in was monk/fury/sub/bm/dru. 2nd was feral/rsham and the "carry me pls" was war/bm/frost/rdru

if u played with a DH ur just actively griefing his funnel

[chrome palm]

plenty of subs played with dh

[woeful wren]

and they by default griefed the dh

cos all our shit cleaved

[chrome palm]

stand on the other side of the boss man

idk

dont hit powder

monk is not at all mandatory for sub and probably isnt even a top 3 buff in midnight

thats all im saying

[woeful wren]

right but u came making wild statements

[chrome palm]

i said sub doesnt work very well in phys comp

sub worked no better in phys comp than fdk would

[woeful wren]

we benefit way more than dk ever did last season

they had like 1 spell that scaled

[chrome palm]

you can do all the sub/phys comp keys you want

[woeful wren]

I probably will ye

[plush roost]

if arms warrior is agood as it is on beta, all 3 specs are uncapped

just brew rdruid enh sub arms

enh is your burst prio

arms is your cleave/aoe beater

and sub is your consistent prio

with DS

[chrome palm]

outlaw/ww in shambles

[plush roost]

yeah bear MW both uh

lackin

same with outlaw

poor banshers bro

survival kinda litty

[chrome palm]

thought outlaw was strongish

[plush roost]

idk it feels like

just a worse sub rogue idk

but my outlaw is least amount of playtime on beta

[chrome palm]

being made of glass doesnt help

[woeful wren]

btw @plush roost how many dungeons is aoe purge good? maybe we can bring that, being belf kek

[plush roost]

Uh if u go into maisara caverns and aoe purge the shield skeletons you can wipe your party!

thats about it

[woeful wren]

sadge

[chrome palm]

elite ball knowledge

[plush roost]

i may have had a belf dh moment

in one of my keys

[woeful wren]

they have a shield that deals dmg on break or what

[harsh meadow]

I do like 12s maybe 13s for vault and that’s it so sub is looking nice lol I don’t wanna think too hard

[plush roost]

yeha shield break is like 40% hp

[woeful wren]

I just dnt want to play dwarf

[harsh meadow]

I also really like I don’t have to do a bunch of bullshit set up to start doing AoE damage

[woeful wren]

So i need to find a logical reason to explain to ppl why im not u know

[harsh meadow]

I played enhance through TWW and it’s fixed now but Jesus Christ man just to start doing proper aoe damage it was like 4 globals first

[plush roost]

just go maghar, orc, dwarf smile

[woeful wren]

is morc racial fucking with anything important

like something u dnt want to dispel faster

[shrewd lantern]

I mean it doesnt matter for most people

[dull sierra]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

@chrome palm haven't hit up the beta yet, how does sub feel

after bugfixes

[chrome palm]

i havent been playing it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i dont think blades is fixed on beta

[tribal blade]

ahhhh damn ok

[keen geode]

do we black powder on 2+ targets or 3?

[tribal blade]

2

[keen geode]

right on ty

[plush roost]

im not good enough to ask 💔

[tribal blade]

I"M SORRY

[tribal blade]

do you know lover

[plush roost]

its gucchi

[tribal blade]

hell yeah nice

is aug becoming a thing again

[plush roost]

its pretty good ya

[tribal blade]

how's the rotation feeling

[daring shore]

yo for m+ is sophic devotion + wafting devotion or artistry + tenacity better at the moment than 2x radiant power on weapon enchants?
all guides saying something different:D

[tribal blade]

radiant power simming better atm

by a large margin for me

isn't sophic devotion from last expac

[daring shore]

u tried out sophic + wafting or sophic + radiant maybe? cause sophic gives 61 primary stat

[tribal blade]

i heard things were fucky liek that

[daring shore]

yea but its working

[tribal blade]

ahhh i see

[shrewd lantern]

sophic uptime kind of ass

debated trying force multiplier since its always up

[daring shore]

so just send it 2x radiant y?

[shrewd lantern]

idk check the actual numbers

of how much they give/uptime

force has a track record of always being up

[tribal blade]

so this works too

is there any danger of getting action against your account for using it

[daring shore]

that one doesnt procc it looks like

[shrewd lantern]

you can also toss an extra socket on your belt

[chrome palm]

it does 20 dps

[shrewd lantern]

unless it got patched

[chrome palm]

along with hidden satyr

[tribal blade]

i think it's righteous fire?

not a great deal

[chrome palm]

no its

[tribal blade]

oh wait

nah it's not even on here haha

i think

[tribal blade]

ok yeah

doesn't proc

[chrome palm]

i think righteous fire is the priory buff

[shrewd lantern]

no its the radiant flame world buff

thing

[tribal blade]

it is yeah

world buff

[chrome palm]

some

arathi dogshit

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt work in instances

it does more if you're renown 10 with them

[tribal blade]

and i saw the mark neck enchants do a tiny amount

[shrewd lantern]

you can also have an insane

+7 mastery

[tribal blade]

fuck it i'm not gonna do it

[daring shore]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[stable plume]

Is PI good on sub now w haste scaling?

[plush roost]

The storm to black powder ratio is a bit 1-1

[tribal blade]

oh damage wise?

[plush roost]

No

[upbeat garden]

These are my stats rn on prepatch ,what trinkets with dmg proc should I get ? kept hearding about that

[plush roost]

I mean you press storm

And then you press black powder lmao

[plush roost]

Nah u only scale with flat haste value, % doesnt extend dance

[tribal blade]

OH right ok lol

yeah that sounds about right

[plush roost]

As u can see

This key has a lot of 2 target moments so i pressed strike more

[upbeat garden]

Wanted to ask for a while ,but why we dont get back a bar full of cp after we do a finisher anymore?

on prepatch I mean

[plush roost]

Its in our apex talent now

[upbeat garden]

oh..

[plush roost]

They took it out of shadowcraft

Yeee is lame

[upbeat garden]

I didnt understand why on beta works and here not

[plush roost]

You do get an insane amount of refunds now tho

With apex

[upbeat garden]

Ye , on beta the playstyle feels better

[tribal blade]

hell yeah i like to hear that

[plush roost]

Ive done sec tec strike coup evis strike evis evis strike coup evis strike evis evis strike evis evis in lust

Blender mode activated

[tribal blade]

that sounds awesome

[plush roost]

And each of those refunds does a clone that doubles the spell

An apex supercharged coup

Actually cranks so hard

[tribal blade]

there's no way they nerf it right

well maybe tuning nerf

[plush roost]

Not if warlock mage and dk are how they are

[tribal blade]

but not nerf the actual sht we generate

cool

[plush roost]

Nah i think thats the intended playstyle

[tribal blade]

awesome

[plush roost]

That can only really happen in lust or with sht pooled

But yeah the apex completely changes how sub works and adds a lot of fun to the spec imo

[lilac stag]

don’t let people know it’s fun

Going to destroy the 2 button narrative

[daring shore]

with those last 3 missing points in prepatch is deathstalker or trickster superior in mythic+?
and is umbral edge better than veiltouched?
kinda new to sub figuring stuff out

[plush roost]

I think tricksters better simply because it doesnt have the mark shenangians, u just skip the 2nd row

[plush roost]

3 buttons!

[shrewd lantern]

i mean do people unironically play prepatch over beta

playing an incomplete game is wild

[plush roost]

Not everyone has a 110$ prepurchase

[daring shore]

im playing both

[plush roost]

Or however much it is

[shrewd lantern]

wait is it not on ptr already

[shrewd lantern]

im playing real life more

the graphics suck

unlucky

[plush roost]

Ye

Same tbh

Got a good key sesh in today lots of good testing

[shrewd lantern]

i think im getting dragged into live on tuesday

for mount sale

debating calling in sick...

[plush roost]

Learned that you can mage invis the leaps on 3rd boss in windrunner but vanish doesnt work 🙂

[bleak night]

[serene notch]

would it be a gain to priortize coup if you are low on flawless form stacks before sexy tech?

[plush roost]

If you send it 2 seconds before sec tec comes up and have a fazed target ye

But sec tec cdr > all

Another small minmax that makes this spec not just a 2 button spec btw

[shrewd lantern]

just change all your ability icons to sectech or sb

then it looks like a 2 button spec

[serene notch]

trying to find all the angles

[plush roost]

Nah its good, its 3-12% more damage on sec tec

Assuming you do it correctly

Shit adds up

Id do it more in keys but storm just randomly applies unseen bladr

So sometimes i dont have a fazed main target and tab targetting/clicking plates in beta is uh not ez

[tribal blade]

so cool playing around a mechanic that technically they removed

[lucid beacon]

bro what did they do to my spec

[chrome palm]

That’s a crazy pfp LOL

They nuked it gg

[lucid beacon]

I feel like im pressingtwo buttons

[chrome palm]

Yes

[lucid beacon]

is haste our best stat now?

[chrome palm]

On prepatch it kinda is

Need a lot of it for st

[lucid beacon]

non of my gear has haste

lol

[chrome palm]

Just recraft jewelry

[lucid beacon]

true not a bad idea

[warm marlin]

are you not just perma 5 stack ff

[graceful rock]

Also you don’t fazed anymore

[eager latch]

can you feign them?

[plush roost]

Sometimes ur really unlucky and get no thousand cut procs till after u drop flawless where little things like that matter

Since sec tec is 20ish seconds

Fazed lasts 10, unseen cd is 15

A lil 5-9ish second window where u dont have 5 stacks

[narrow shadow]

How much haste are u guys running for keys?

[lilac stag]

Whatever dslice suggests

[soft summit]

The pin says you want 35% haste in prepatch

[lilac stag]

It does not

35 is roughly ST target.

M+ is lower as stated.

Dslice still give best option for gear available.

[red vortex]

It kinda does

[lilac stag]

How is that 35 for keys

[red vortex]

Oh fk

[soft summit]

You want to run between 12% and 35% depending if you want to focus more on single target or aoe.
….

[red vortex]

Well i did wake up 5 min ago

[lilac stag]

again. Use dslice. If you wreck your crit for haste it’ll be bad

[red vortex]

My bad

[lilac stag]

Right now slice recommends 30% for me. Your mileage will vary.

[supple pawn]

how does sub feel atm?

i only played it in s2 and s3 briefly in keys and pvp

[placid blade]

Just trying it out my rogue feels awful now. Will it feel considerably better or just a little better if I recraft everything to haste?

[lilac stag]

It’s a vibe

[supple pawn]

would i enjoy it if i enjoyed deathstalker for those seasons?

[lilac stag]

Haste matters on prepatch

[lilac stag]

fun is up to the individual

you can certainly play DS right now. Moving mark is more difficult.

[supple pawn]

That's fair. I have never played trickster, but sorta fun to weave between Darkest Night and Secret Technique haha

[lilac stag]

You’re weaving BP and Evis at this point

[supple pawn]

BP?

[lilac stag]

Black powder

[supple pawn]

Oh, also do we still have Shuriken Tornado? I have not kept up with rogue changes at all

[supple pawn]

Oh! Sounds fun still

[lilac stag]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[supple pawn]

Ty!

[lilac stag]

They all should have changes

#subtlety-faq as well

[supple pawn]

Shuriken Tornado hurray!

No rupture aww but fair enough lol

Tyty

[lilac stag]

Have fun!

[narrow shadow]

I was asking how much are people running, not how much I need to run, just to clarify on my question

Curious on people's stat spreads

[lilac stag]

You should be able to see that data on WCL. General estimate would be between 20-30% in keys.

It’s also prepatch so nothing really matters. Experiment with whatever gear you have kinda thing.

recrafting and gems / enchants likely easiest approach, which takes you back to dslice. If you want more aoe focus a bit more on mastery than haste.

Haste is getting you an extra cast in dance and lowering Sectech cd. It’s not just a what feels good stat.

[vale pine]

snowy Sunday lovely people

[tribal blade]

i'm wearing a tshirt

benefits of living on the equator

[lilac stag]

We’re having a heatwave. It’s zero

[vale pine]

i am 10.000 km away from Ecuador, unlucky

(i am joking)

[tribal blade]

heehee

[tribal blade]

jesus

[sour horizon]

Actual heatwave here

40+ for the next 5 days thats 104+ freedom units

[keen dome]

Can I have the snow

[sour horizon]

Its also Australia Day tomorrow and no doubt some fkn nutters will be at the beach having a bbq

[lilac stag]

It was between -27 to -37 Friday

[vagrant fulcrum]

Morning fuu, had a light breakfast and now it’s time for gym, gonna mess about with a few more classes on wow later - hope your day is treating you well

[keen dome]

I would like the snow

[upper rock]

do we go haste/vers now? D:

[lilac stag]

You need haste in prepatch. Sim your gear enchants gems as always

or don’t care because it’s prepatch