subtlety

[tribal blade]

is there still a delay with dance+strike macro

seems like it but hard to tell

[kind edge]

Yea but the good about that is the bigger the pull is, faster that prio target goes down with me doing aoe. I always liked it

[hazy breach]

Yes

[tribal blade]

damn

[acoustic lodge]

Quick question..
In Eleem's rotation guide. Eleem mentions using a macro for SD and ST.
Is that because we should be going into decent with cp?

[plush roost]

I wish this was true but singular is less value that youd expect for sub

At least in all my beta testing

Not sure why but assa just hits harder with singular

Theyre not seperately scaled are they? Like subs dsm being 70% better than assa in NP

Is it mastery making assa singular stronger?

Im gonna have to do more log looking this is just #vibes currently

[hazy breach]

Yes

[alpine wraith]

it is to avoid latency on using skills

[hazy breach]

But also theres some stuff that singular doesnt work with, most notable sectech

[alpine wraith]

it is more important than ever to get as many globals in dance as possible

[alpine wraith]

sec tech and clones and blades dmg does not work with singular iirc

think eleem has the whole list

[plush roost]

Ah thatll do it

[alpine wraith]

havent checked apex

[hazy breach]

I think clones work, idk havent checked in a while

[alpine wraith]

well maybe it got fixed or they always worked

i deleted all beta logs maybe i do another one if they fixed some cp things

[plush roost]

What about our favorite interactive skill, shadowed finishers?

[alpine wraith]

ahahaha

think that one might work

[plush roost]

Thats a first

[alpine wraith]

but now you make me doubt

[hazy breach]

zzzzz went on to beta to test for a bit

[alpine wraith]

funniest shit is today i just edited and published a video and in a part i talked about bugs that got fixed today XD ayaya but we get closer to everything working

[hazy breach]

But it randomly disabled by advanced combatlogging so it didnt register

[alpine wraith]

i hate when that happens

[acoustic lodge]

Thank you!

[hazy breach]

Nah both blades and clones work

[kind edge]

No doubts about what are u saying, all my memories from singulary focus was from season 1 as sin.

[chrome palm]

does singular focus double dip with sub's magic amps

[hazy breach]

Can you DM me one of your deathstalker runs charrend

[hazy breach]

Yes

@plush roost

[chrome palm]

singular was so good for assa in s3 before they hydrogen bombed the spec in week 1

8% of overall or something

[warm marlin]

they really fixed it for assa and just didnt figure to fix it for sub too

insane

[hazy breach]

What

Im fairly sure it still scales with assa mastery

[kind edge]

Damn i didnt knew this

[plush roost]

Im not at pc atm, ill get back to u when i can

[alpine wraith]

ok so if clones from apex work and blades too

it is only sec tech now

wao

[warm marlin]

oh

[hazy breach]

The thing they removed was it double dipping on the aura buff iirc

[warm marlin]

right it was caustic

[hazy breach]

But sub also has a +45% modifier to it

Because they wanted to increase the damage of the deathstalker procs to make it better for sub specifically

[alpine wraith]

yea we got lots of extra % on things

[hazy breach]

But for some reason they included singular focus

[alpine wraith]

hunt them down has been a cool rollercoaster

from 2x to 3x to 50% nerf to 20%

think they buffed it again

[hazy breach]

Because yeah singular does seem to not be doing a whole lot while playing sub, but i dont see why it wouldnt do much damage

[alpine wraith]

i think DN kinda makes it mess up a bit

if you are slamming some BPs from apex or whatever without mark

and also trying to avoid apexing sec tech too

[hazy breach]

You should always have the mark up

[alpine wraith]

minefield

didnt they make it so you cant apply mark with DN

or you just cancelaura it

[hazy breach]

While DN is up you can strike to apply it

Without DN up you cannot strike to apply it

[alpine wraith]

ah so i misunderstood

[kind edge]

In my head singular would work as fine as it work with sin, but seems i was wrong.

[alpine wraith]

i mean it does quite a bit

maybe we think it does less because BP and sec tech do so much

[restive venture]

outside of shadowblades do you only dance when sec tech is up?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[restive venture]

thank you

[lilac stag]

@alpine wraith what got fixed today?

[alpine wraith]

blades cp

and some beta apex things but i dont remember eleem wrote those

the apex 2 i think was it

[chrome palm]

secret technique clones grant sht via apex 2 on beta

[alpine wraith]

yea that

[lilac stag]

well that’s great

[chrome palm]

sub might go crazy if blades fix gets pushed to beta

[maiden oar]

how does beta m+ testing work

is it really gone forever until march after the 27th

or will it come back ive never been around for a beta before

[tribal blade]

BUG FIXES FINALLY HAPPENING??

#blessed

[chrome palm]

should still be able to beta test m+

im watching zorthas in a +20 pit of ssaron

[maiden oar]

oh ok i wasnt sure if this meant that its over until midnight after the 27th

or if theyll bring the dungeons back agsin

i was planning on playing beta in feb...

[lilac stag]

You’d think we’d have it pinned!

[brisk onyx]

[lilac stag]

Exactly

[alpine wraith]

fuu is asleep when the fixes were done tbh

think was it midday NA so like 1 am eu or later i dont remember

[lilac stag]

GM fuu (whenever you wake up)

[quasi junco]

guys, how does sub looked in the beta? can we keep in numberwise in raids/m+?

[tribal blade]

wouldn't worry about numbers right now, we're still far out from midnight

also sub just got some bug fixes so we'll def be doing more dmg

[upbeat garden]

COPIUM

[lucid jackal]

?

[sour horizon]

What? Theres bug fixes?! Where post!

[brisk onyx]

Quick Fingers still bugged in retail?

holy crazy

[quaint lodge]

i just finally tried sub

this is very saddening

Legit feels like a shell of itself

[grand summit]

Im just a poor little scrub

but it does feel like I can finally play Sub

[wispy plume]

It plays kind of the same as dragon flight season one to me just without the really cool ramping mechanic in shadow dance

Which was a pretty fun version of sub

[tribal blade]

i'm curious if it'll feel better with bugfixes and the apex

the spec definitely does feel a bit better once you get the apex

[upper marlin]

Is rogue kinda doomed? I have yet to hear about a streamer or such like the new design. Trimaz put it perfectly, now that diversity is gone (Aka being a control spec, not a buttom smasher) the whole "rogue" image is kinda gone. Now we just button smash as well. I am not a fan of a single spec design so far.

[languid vapor]

Sub is so boring

[tribal blade]

so i thought this was just happening to sub, but i hear this is basically going on in every single spec discord

[upper marlin]

That is really sad, if that is true - IMO you should actually be able to "feel", when you change between classes, if they are all somewhat identical and lost their identity, then its quite depressing tbh.

[tribal blade]

the more optimistic way to see it is specs had become way too convoluted and the differences between them dictated how powerful they were (eg. certain specs having insane funnel)

and this is blizz bringing everything back to a baseline

and then they can interate from here

not saying ^this is right, just a thought

[glad cosmos]

People complaining that classes are too basic, but then can't do mechanics cause weakauras are gone, so it sounds like the changes are necessary

[tribal blade]

we'll see how it all pans out when the game is actually live with content

[wispy plume]

None of the 3 rogue specs play anything like each other

[tribal blade]

you can be sure if people start leaving the game because it sucks blizz will course correct hard

[tame terrace]

hard to say if weakaura removal really is a problem for bosses etc. bc weve all been trained to use weakauras on current bosses

so were all used to a certain way of handling current fights

weak aura removal will for sure widen the gap through fight learning speed

[glad cosmos]

Weakauras made people lazy, so now they don't have it playing the game for them and are struggling. People will adapt, but I doubt we're gonna see mass leavers because of the change

[vagrant fulcrum]

Idk I still feel like there’s gross discrepancies in quality of damage profile between specs

[tame terrace]

how are things looking on beta

[vagrant fulcrum]

Some specs just need better tuning than others by design

[tribal blade]

sad to hear if it's still that bad

[upbeat garden]

It wouldnt be boring if it had better numbers,but rn its boring and low dam

[wispy plume]

No one person is entitled to enjoy every spec. Find one you think is fun

[pale ravine]

Hi,
does anyone have a good way to track coup de grace?
I can use eviscerate and see when it changes to cdp or i can track cpd as a buff, but then the icon are not intuitive(cpd icon for zero stacks and 4 stacks are just escalating blades that stack to four.)

[sour horizon]

BM is literally 3 buttons xD great for farming

[chrome palm]

you can track escalating blade as a bar using arcui and change its color at 4 stacks

[prime raft]

its was mice knowing u bois

but the DK calls

[chrome palm]

id wait until tuning is more finalized because sub might do really good damage after bug fixes

[vagrant fulcrum]

Compare havoc or sin / OL to ret xd

[prime raft]

already have so much vers idk if i can swao to OL or Assa

[chrome palm]

vers isnt strong for any rogue specs in midnight

also prepatch is a joke gear doesnt matter

[vagrant fulcrum]

Focusing our damage into our prio target just makes it better, less prone to pad or waste resources killing meaningless small enemies vs killing the boss or the priority mob faster and not spending time at the end of a pull fighting one mob that lived cus everyone is playing for pad

[prime raft]

im thinking just going UHDK or Surv hunter been on rogue since Legion

[vagrant fulcrum]

Specs like ref that can’t control where their damage goes will affect your timer negatively while doing the same overall as another spec that actually kills important targets

[vagrant fulcrum]

Join the club, I’ve been a massive sv rep for a while now, it’s a sick spec I’ve held a mythic r1 every season for like three expacs

[upper marlin]

True, my initial thoughts are just that the rogue we know is maybe a bit too similar to other classes, but as the other guy mentioned - happens to almost all classes, so it is what it is.

[prime raft]

yea just need to lvl or boost a hunter

no one doing TW dun rn

idk if something else is going on or what

19 min qs is insane

[vagrant fulcrum]

Idk about uh in midnight not tested yet, I have a bis geared dk on live though, boost 6/8 on it - super autopilot chill mode l, dk plays so few mechanics and is ranged as UH, better sprint and defensives than rogue too

Death strike alone is better than two rogue defensives combined

[wispy plume]

SV is an absolute banger of a spec

[tribal blade]

i leveled every class to 80 on remix, and playing DK was the most fun i had

it's a bit of a fake experience on remix because you have insane mobility and resource gen, but it was still really fun

[prime raft]

did the stat squish mess with TW lvling?

that is what everyone saying in chat

[magic ruin]

Are there any easy ways to pick up haste gear in pre patch?

[tribal blade]

wouldn't be surprised if it did

[wispy plume]

TW dungeons are a lot harder but still easier than m0 or anything

You get like 2-3 levels per run as well

From 70-80

[tribal blade]

easiest way would prob be to just buy boes off the AH if you have gold

[sour horizon]

Dk is fun, but the slow ass normal walking around I cant deal lol I have all speedy classes as main/alt DH/Druid/Sham/Rogue

[lilac stag]

People won’t leave.

[pale ravine]

thanks

[tribal blade]

THIS WORLD IS A PRISON

[prime raft]

that sht mad bright holy

[lilac stag]

WHAT HAVE YOU SACRIFICED?

[tribal blade]

this is making me want to watch sylvanas cinematics

[lilac stag]

Open sniping tool app. Goto settings, adjust for HDR

[sour horizon]

Seen a lot of levelrs doing fk all dmg in TW but that could just be lack of gear/bad talents or anything

I was toping dmg as resto druid in a few runs, but that was mostly with velf DH trying new spec so hard to say there

[prime raft]

looks like its a wait for the XP boost on the 27th angle

[tribal blade]

most people are actually that bad at the game

[sour horizon]

Yeah that too 🙁

[tribal blade]

from 5 years of doing make a wishes with my RL in heroic pugs, it's insane

[prime raft]

i been playing Classic getting ready for TBC wanted to lvl a hunter and cant get no pops for anything

[tribal blade]

we did a heroic make a wish dimmy last week and there was an outlaw rogue in there going less dmg than the healers

[sour horizon]

I was honestly hoping that wasnt the case haha coz every class is so easy now

[lilac stag]

I started messing with Elv last night. I think that + arc + Platynator will be what I run for now until more of the qol addons get streamlined @tribal blade

[tribal blade]

it's weird that way, in relative terms the difficulty of specs might be normal now

we were just used to having pretty complicated rotations

[tribal blade]

NICE

i messed around with platynator today

mine looks like this now

[lilac stag]

I was lazy and tossed Jundies profile on

[sour horizon]

I am pretty out of touch though, Ive always thought sub was the easiest rogue spec

[pale ravine]

Found it thanks

[tribal blade]

i should check that out

[lilac stag]

No. It’s been easy covered in layers of confusion that forced people to quit. Assa is still and forever the reigning, defending easiest rogue spec

[sour horizon]

I literally just said im out of touch because I felt sub was the easiest for me

[lilac stag]

It read as overall to me, not you individually.

@tribal blade also figured out why people are mad at sub.

It plays more like fury warrior than arms warrior.

[tribal blade]

damn sad

[molten citrus]

shadowstrike

eviscerate

[prime raft]

lowk think fury warrior has more buttons now

[tribal blade]

i just realized it's gonna be a lot more boring listening to pikaboo do his sub rotation

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/safety-dance-men-without-hats-we-can-dance-if-we-want-to-we-can-leave-your-friends-behind-80s-music-gif-19349216

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMCVdKnDLp4 compared to this

[prime raft]

pika said he prob gonna play Assa or OL

[molten citrus]

doubt it atm

[tribal blade]

he's a classic andy now

[lilac stag]

Really hate goremaws ya do.

[tribal blade]

gotta make that money

[prime raft]

yea im in his guild on nightslayer

[molten citrus]

sub is the only spec with decent access to cheap shot now

[prime raft]

and sadly more hype for tbc than midnight atm

[tribal blade]

oh shit true

[molten citrus]

assa also lost aoe silence

[tribal blade]

mm yeah sub has high uptime dance and shot in the dark

[lilac stag]

Please come back and link the pvp build on live when everyone is running

[tribal blade]

shot in the dark is actually strong in pvp now

[molten citrus]

goremaw is already decent atm but why

[lilac stag]

Folks are allergic to it here

[molten citrus]

why lmao

[lilac stag]

useless

[molten citrus]

??

its another button

[lilac stag]

it just doesn’t fit max dps setup

So ya know, bad

[molten citrus]

does damage, macabre, etc

[tribal blade]

goremaws has a long history of being hated in here

ever since they brought it back

[lilac stag]

I will support it. It just needs more dmg less energy.

[molten citrus]

ye

[tribal blade]

yeah remove the energy component

mega buff the dmg

[lilac stag]

The “missing” extra button

[molten citrus]

make it give full combo points, or even proc back to back full points

that'd be kinda hot

[tribal blade]

maybe make goremaw's baseline and then replace the talent with something that adds more to goremaw

[molten citrus]

goremaw-evis-evis

[tribal blade]

might be weird with apex refunds

[lilac stag]

Maybe realz saves it now that some bugs got fixed. we’re AHEAD OF SCHEDULE boys

[molten citrus]

idk i've barely even read the apex talents so far

i know a bit about assa's

thats it

[tribal blade]

the refunds are literally just old shadowcraft basically

[molten citrus]

yeah

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/purple-minion-shocked-gif-13254904260767736563

[tribal blade]

but fair :0

wtf is that face i put

i meant this 😉

[molten citrus]

i haven't had enough spare time to put any into beta/testing things that may change anyway etc

[tribal blade]

how dare you not devote every waking second to this game

[lilac stag]

Haven’t talked in a bit. Life been treating you well?

[molten citrus]

i do think they've gone too far with a lot of shit this expansion

especially for rogue but obviously thats the class that i know most intimately so idk

[prime raft]

This stat squish ruined it for me I love big numbers

[molten citrus]

yeah all good, just lotsa work n stuff

i also have to say

like i have said for the past maybe 4 years

they need to modernize animations for all of us older classes

devourer DH over here spamming hella purple insano effects

[lilac stag]

yeah.

[prime raft]

Yea us on 7 have nothing cool

Og*

[lilac stag]

Outlaw got the most love with visuals

[tribal blade]

that purple lazer is insane

[molten citrus]

meanwhile we just jump and spin around

[tribal blade]

btw why are they still trying to make killing spree a thing holy shit

that's the biggest thing i hate on outlaw atm

it's so weird

[prime raft]

Could be hunter just stand and shoot

[molten citrus]

they seem overly out of touch lately idk

has me kinda at a loss at this point

[tribal blade]

they do know how to make cool rogue animations

cough cough kyveza

[molten citrus]

too tired of complaining about all the ridiculous things they keep doing to rogue lmao

[prime raft]

Well ig we had are time S3 of tww

So they took us down

[molten citrus]

been catching cc nerfs for the past 5 years, its never enough for the rogue hating forum posters

i thought the kidney nerf would be the last of it - which most rogues thought was a crazy change already

[lilac stag]

Try SV

[haughty mural]

I’ll probably join that

[molten citrus]

(see feral that still has a 20sec CD kidney)

but no - now they've taken cheap shot it just doesn't end lol

[molten citrus]

i don't think they're having a great time either atm

[lilac stag]

Pve they are

Also pretty damn tanky

[molten citrus]

ye idk anything about how things are in pve rn

[prime raft]

What is having a good time rn in pvp this xpac is azz

[molten citrus]

pretty sure DK, warr, DH, hunter, mage are all doing fine

uhh

druid prolly fine

anything that didn't lose a bunch of CC

[prime raft]

Did warr lose or gain anything can't make a 2 button class any less

[molten citrus]

[tribal blade]

does anyone know if you can track sht on sensei

[tribal blade]

seems like a rogue classic

sub classic in particular

things are too strong on sub but gets given to other specs

[lilac stag]

Found the outlaw pvper Does Outlaw seriously only get one cheap shot per 12 seconds, do they not have anything like Subtlety has, where an example is when they dance they get an extra? This feels kinda underwhelming.

clearly sub expansion in pve & pvp

[molten citrus]

one cheap every 12sec?

one cheap every vanish, sir

[lilac stag]

yeah well math and pirates ain’t great

[molten citrus]

sub gets 2 cheaps every what, 20sec?

[lilac stag]

Ye

[molten citrus]

somethin' ain't mathin' here

[lilac stag]

I’m interested to see what pvp players try to do with haste to get longer dance window

[molten citrus]

i've been trying to figure out what haste % translates into more dance globals

[lilac stag]

Moment

[molten citrus]

cuz my math told me a much different story than the tooltips

[molten citrus]

what am i lookin at

[lilac stag]

haste raw at 90

those were the different break points

[molten citrus]

so 200 haste rating would be 7sec dance?

that seems like a really low amount of haste

[lilac stag]

From what I recall yes. I haven’t gone on beta in a minute

Our enchants are like 9 haste

[molten citrus]

9??

[lilac stag]

idk stat squish at 80 really dropped stuff

[molten citrus]

lmao

well

in pvp we'll most likely not go past the 8sec breakpoint, depending on sec tech CD ig

[lilac stag]

It’s higher but it’s comically low compared to where numbers were

[molten citrus]

2 sec techs in blades sounds kinda bigly, but you don't really get that long to burst someone in pvp

[lilac stag]

It’s basically fitting the extra global, which is different if you start with strike vs cc or Sectech

Strike still has the delay

[stoic steeple]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[upper rock]

we enjoy deathstalker more than trickster for m+ now?

[astral axle]

@lilac stag hope you didnt buy that quazii sub for ui

[haughty mural]

[lilac stag]

Nope

I do have it though

I started messing with the ElvUI prerelease

[astral axle]

this is crazy bro

[lilac stag]

The domino effect of WAs going away.

[haughty mural]

The internet is a sad place

[lilac stag]

[keen geode]

didnt play s3 and just getting that cloak now, do i just grab the haste fiber my haste is low low

[lilac stag]

I’m in America. It’s a lot of sadness here.

[keen geode]

appreciate it

[lilac stag]

The addon drama been good get away from reality entertainment.

[astral axle]

truly

he deleted his entire yt stuff, website, everything. good grief

[lilac stag]

Yeah I just saw his post.

He generally seemed like a good dude. All the hate he got is sad.

I didn’t see how much it blew up

[cursive tundra]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cursive tundra]

for beta m+ keys, are we playing ds or trickster?

[astral axle]

Yeah for sure. Good grief.

[lilac stag]

When are folks going to go after atrocity, naowh, jak, liquid for their paywall? This seems very like targeted hate.

[astral axle]

Right??

[lilac stag]

I wonder how much revenue liquid generated from the wa/timeline subs

[cursive tundra]

can someone explain the apex talent for me?

wdym attacks that expend shadow techniques

i am lost

oh shadow techninuqes omg

don't mind me, i confused it with sec tech

[lilac stag]

All good

Sometimes you just gotta look at it a little differently

[tribal blade]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1qlhzvo/quazii_update_2_hes_leaving_wow_for_good/#lightbox

oh shit

[sour horizon]

Seems a bit over the top but hope he finds happiness

Made good M+ guides

[tribal blade]

i don't know anything about the background to this so i have no idea

[sour horizon]

I play with some SG peeps so hes pretty popular with them

[tribal blade]

i did quite a few keys with him last season

it kinda mirrors the way i've been feeling about wow recently, been thinking about possibly going full casual some time

[spiral sierra]

heard Quazii had copied 1:1 a bunch of addons, and is getting massive hate for it.

big post on neph's discord about it

[tribal blade]

looks like it yeah

[spiral sierra]

thats crazy.

[tribal blade]

not looks like he copied 1:1, but yeah the drama

[spiral sierra]

i mean he is being accused of it

[tribal blade]

i dunno, i have no opinion on this because it's completely outside my wheelhouse ahha

[spiral sierra]

can you even copy right addons? idk out of my wheelhouse aswell

its free ware

hopefully

[tribal blade]

i'm listening to shindigg talk about it and apparently it's extremely common to copy code and build upon it for addons

[spiral sierra]

yeah theres a bunch of OG code being tossed around and remade w/o crediting the originial auther (not AI slop either)

[tribal blade]

the fact that a lot of these addon packs are paywalled is what causes the drama i'm guessing

[spiral sierra]

yea

but the bigger picture is the code that was taken and then pay walled. where the original addon was free

like making $$ off of free stuff is scummy

[lilac stag]

Devs take code all the time either human or via ai. Just in the real world you’re all getting paid for it. People got triggered he made money and they didn’t.

[tribal blade]

hrm either i can't remember exactly what quazii's battletag is or he deleted his btag or something

[spiral sierra]

but w/o crediting the orginal auther? again scummy AF.

nothing worse than getting no achknowledgement

for hard work

[lilac stag]

Need an excel formula? You’re gonna search for one and just use it

[spiral sierra]

i mean, did you code it?

[lilac stag]

It’s how coding works.

[spiral sierra]

it dosen't mean its not scummy

[lilac stag]

Someone figures it out. Everyone basically copies and alters

[spiral sierra]

meh i know that, but it still looks bad. sad that its happening in WoW again.

[lilac stag]

The same people complaining aren’t going after Jak, atrocity, noawh, liquid, etc

it’s targeted.

[spiral sierra]

you in the discord for betterblizzframes?

[lilac stag]

Nope

I hate discord

Try to not be in too many

[spiral sierra]

they had sarena 1:1 copied and not credited, then harrased. its crazy.

idk what the latest is however

[void ocean]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spiral sierra]

maybe resoloved idk

[lilac stag]

for better or worse lau isn’t complex.

[spiral sierra]

yeah AI can easily make addons

xD its crazy

[lilac stag]

So ai coding going to make similar choices

[spiral sierra]

meanwhile, im SUPER enjoying sub rogue again on prepatch and beta 😄

[tribal blade]

i always pictured addon creators as these starry eyed people who loved the game so much they decided to make addons for it

i had no idea it was this petty

[lilac stag]

Did he copy luckyone? Idk

[spiral sierra]

idk

[lilac stag]

They all make money

In some form when they get to Elv etc

[spiral sierra]

well those arn't paywalled i thought?

just donations

i could be wrong...

[lilac stag]

At one point I’m pretty sure they had extras

liquid 100% paywalled timeline

[spiral sierra]

oh yeah...

[lilac stag]

akaik Quazii was still intending to do full free release with elvui and another unit frame once the game launched. His allinone easy setup was the intended paywall

I would have thrown him $5 to see what it was. Would not have done that monthly.

[tribal blade]

as a complete coding novice i assumed all the addons being paywalled were made exclusively by the people selling them

[lilac stag]

Depends how you view coding

[spiral sierra]

i just don't like the 1:1 w/o credting auther stuff but it can't be helped.

[lilac stag]

Jax, Naowh, atrocity?

[spiral sierra]

xD

[lilac stag]

Liquid TL I’m sure took concepts from ERT / MRT

code just gets sniped and adjusted

Cover your tracks and no one knows.

Commenting methods is usually a signature for some devs

[lilac stag]

Anything vibe coded likely teetering very close to the 100%

[subtle hazel]

Why don't blizz use AI to make their UI better then

[spiral sierra]

IDK

[lilac stag]

Copilot is trash.

So they likely did use AI

but blizz gets a day of peace, we got bug fixes

[hazy breach]

200 is 6.2s dance, which is enough for 7 globals

[molten citrus]

Ahh okay

[lilac stag]

ty. I couldn’t recall the exact numbers

!breakpoints

[molten citrus]

It seems very wonky on prepatch

[lilac stag]

!soonTM

[molten citrus]

Ig because we’re not max level

[lilac stag]

ye

90 is gonna feel weird for sub and outlaw at the start

[molten citrus]

I kinda feel like I’m seeing more negative feedback than normal

With a distinct lack of positive feedback

[lilac stag]

in regards to ?

[molten citrus]

Class changes

A lot about the UI/addon changes too but that’s just to be expected imo

[lilac stag]

I think it’s a combination of things, which is part of the reason we got prepatch so soon.

[tribal blade]

it would be really interesting to see blizz dial back some of the pruning

[lilac stag]

Folks are pissed about their UIs, as they should be.

gameplay got simplified, while using it in unintended content.

[lilac stag]

Not gonna happen until we see encounter design.

I’m still convinced this is the next step in progression to Xbox wow

[torn tide]

it has to be, bm is already there

[lilac stag]

yet some of the most popular specs are the “already dumb” ones

[molten citrus]

You can have controller play with plenty of keybinds

Look at ff14

[lilac stag]

So the discord complaints for the most part I would assume is the loud minority

[torn tide]

i heard frost mage is like actually not brainless now tho

my frost mage yesterday was doing math or some shit

[lilac stag]

yeah fire got that assignment.

[torn tide]

he had to calculate some stuff from what he said

[lilac stag]

and people like it (that weren’t fire OTP)

[torn tide]

LOL fire mage got its fireball removed didnt it

[lilac stag]

sub I think is one 45 second cd away from being great

yet folks just hyper on button count

[swift tinsel]

Fire got crumbs of gameplay back after the initial pruning

[lilac stag]

While assa has more buttons and is easier and more forgiving.

[swift tinsel]

But still barren

[lilac stag]

make it all make sense.

[hazy breach]

Well yeah all they did was remove stuff, there's practically been nothing new added

[tribal blade]

i agree on that

[molten citrus]

[tribal blade]

sub does feel like it could use a 45 sec cd

[molten citrus]

feels like thats all they've done to rogue since SL

i don't even want to know how bad it feels to level a brand new rogue now. lmao

energy probably feels like molasses

[spiral sierra]

has anyone tried sub at 90 yet?

[lilac stag]

Ye

[spiral sierra]

or i should say at all, i wanna know how the energy feels

[hazy breach]

Afaik it's way better than before prepatch

Because strike just oneshots most mobs

[fallow nimbus]

Is there a poison reminder addon?

[molten citrus]

energy is fine on sub

[molten citrus]

surprising ngl

[spiral sierra]

awsome 😄

[lilac stag]

EasyReminders

[void ocean]

is there an addon that reminds us which addons to isntall

[tribal blade]

you'll have no issue filling most gcds at lvl 90

with 100 energy

and like 20% haste

we don't need the ridiculous prepatch haste

i played with tea for a while on the beta and you didn't use tea charges very often, and in aoe it was impossible to consume tea charges

now with the bug fixes our energy will be even better

[tropic pier]

i understand why they removed rupture, it was weird especially in aoe but the rotation feels so empty without it

[lilac stag]

!scath

[tribal blade]

i think the spec is fine without rupture

but it does feel like it's missing something for sure

[lilac stag]

a 45 second cd will solve everyone’s grumbles

[tropic pier]

i like the changes to remove symbols and cold blood and flag but no rupture is a bit far imo

[lilac stag]

rupture was near useless on sub, removing it distances us thematically from assa (which is a good thing)

[tropic pier]

yeah sure but the rotation feels a bit too simple now

[lilac stag]

welcome to MN pruning

[tropic pier]

And i love simple rotation specs

[lilac stag]

assa is even simpler just with more buttons

[tropic pier]

It needs a proc or something to react to, or something to upkeep

[tribal blade]

the main thing sub needs is another cd to play with

that's not a talent

[swift tinsel]

And not a redundant one like symbols

[tribal blade]

yes

[swift tinsel]

Flavorful and unique

So we’re not getting one lol

[tribal blade]

trueee

[lilac stag]

I’d be fine is it was an aoe shadow dot spreader that you aren’t trying to gam around like you would with rupture. Out of dance cd kinda thing

[tropic pier]

My favorite specs before changes were all super simple like assa and fdk but now sub feels even emptier than those rotations

[lilac stag]

idk if that would please the rupture enjoyers

[swift tinsel]

Nothing would

[lilac stag]

u right

[swift tinsel]

Sub doesn’t have apex

Which is pretty integral

[tropic pier]

No one has apex tbf

[long cave]

hello sub rogues im gonna main this spec in MN

[swift tinsel]

So it’s like saying a puzzle looks incomplete when you’re missing a third of the pieces

[long cave]

i have come home to my class of choice

[swift tinsel]

But the integration of apex matters differently across specs

[long cave]

no longer will i meta chase

[swift tinsel]

Some rely on them more than others

[lilac stag]

Congrats??

[swift tinsel]

Ours happens to impact resource economy and provide a proc to react to

Which are common complaints

About what’s missing

[long cave]

which of the 3 guides up there do you guys think is best?

in faq

[lilac stag]

using prepatch to judge endgame play at 90 is certainly a choice

[graceful osprey]

I also think if blizzard keeps spells and abilities simple and easy to understand, a few more buttons wouldn’t be too bad. I think TWW had a lot of complicated things to keep track of and stacking buffs and so on

[lilac stag]

idk if any of us have read it. You can read the faq and that covers most of it. All three writers are good.

[swift tinsel]

If you have fewer they should be more meaningful

Agreed

[long cave]

alright ill read all 3 and bring the information together myself

if they're all good

[lilac stag]

we don’t mess around with shit guides here

[tribal blade]

i've been trying to hammer this point home in here haha

[swift tinsel]

Dude same

[lilac stag]

TWO BUTTONS

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[tribal blade]

we're missing like 1/3rd of the potential button push variations

i'm not good at math

[long cave]

i press button i do damage

[swift tinsel]

Doesn’t help that a lottttt of people don’t know what apex brings for sub

[maiden oar]

reworking goremaws a core rotational ability would be fine

[tribal blade]

and then if the TCs discover it IS a gain to use DN/coup with refunds

and supercharger

that changes things too

[maiden oar]

or just some random other out of dance keybind to break up the 12121212

[lilac stag]

It needs to be a spell not a talent

and get rid of the energy component

[tribal blade]

lol that's also true

[tropic pier]

Short form cd imo ~10-15s

like whirling dragon punch but sub version

[maiden oar]

ok can we spin and do a little jump too

[tribal blade]

holy shit bring back DFA

[tropic pier]

Backflip ninja spawns a clone idk

[maiden oar]

so cool

[tribal blade]

clone DFA

[maiden oar]

i meant cool

[tropic pier]

yeah dfa except your shafow clone does it

[tribal blade]

you press DFA and it sends a clone up in the air

mic drop

[swift tinsel]

“Every finisher used in dance grants X use of Y ability outside dance”

[tropic pier]

so you aren't animation locked

[tribal blade]

yeahhh you're reading my mind

[lilac stag]

Nah 40-45 second cd is what we need. Adds to opener and gives a boost in between sblades. Can use every pack in m+ even in low keys.

[swift tinsel]

Lingering made into a non-talent passive

[tropic pier]

thats what shadow dance + sectech already fills kinda

[maiden oar]

u take a break and backstep and just afk while ur clone stabs a guy for u

maybe read the newspaper or have a drink

[lilac stag]

If you want a 12 second cd, just put hemo back in

[swift tinsel]

You mean worse rupture

[lilac stag]

apparently what the people want

[tribal blade]

oh i just realized we're talking about introducing even more bugs to sub

can you imagine how buggy a DFA clone would be

[swift tinsel]

Hemo would be so bad

[maiden oar]

i dont know what hemo is

[tribal blade]

i LOVE hemo

[maiden oar]

i think i was told once

and i forgot

[swift tinsel]

A builder that added a dot

[tropic pier]

Dfa clone just dunking on the enemy, need it now

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[swift tinsel]

But said builder had no cd

[maiden oar]

neat

[swift tinsel]

Oh that’s old-old hemo

[tribal blade]

looks and sounds cool

[lilac stag]

how bout this. Rename hemo Banshee’s Blight. Make it a 15 second CD and after 7 applications it explodes

[tribal blade]

yeah OG hemo

[swift tinsel]

Nah make DB Banshees Blight

Make it a poison bc thematic or whatever

[lilac stag]

Make it shadow dmg

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ok6rJM_gqRA

[tribal blade]

oooo

[swift tinsel]

Idk bleeds don’t make sense on sub for me

[graceful osprey]

Goremaw’s bite could just be redesigned and made baseline lol

[tribal blade]

hemo sounded so damn cool

[lilac stag]

og goremaws baseline would be tits

big hitter

Let it work with WM as god intended

[tribal blade]

oh yeah OG goremaws was really good

[maiden oar]

i agree i wanna press goremaw

[swift tinsel]

Wasn’t it just damage plus energy

[tribal blade]

it was, but it hit hard

[maiden oar]

as long as ive been playing this spec goremaws has been a banned button

[swift tinsel]

Didn’t play rogue in legion so I never experienced it

[maiden oar]

it gets more mysterious and alluring the longer its off limits

[swift tinsel]

Granted didn’t play 90% of legion lol

[tribal blade]

had a bug early on too where WM would make it hit multiple times

unfortunately i found out about the bug after it was fixed

[lilac stag]

Original version of it was awesome

We got temu version

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[tribal blade]

that was when WM would proc ALL abilities at 6% chance or something

[swift tinsel]

How does that break up the non-dance gameplay

[lilac stag]

Why does it need to be non-dance?

[swift tinsel]

Wasn’t that what prompted the discussion

[tribal blade]

would be a button you line up for dance prob

[lilac stag]

No

[maiden oar]

yea

[swift tinsel]

Wanting to break up the 121212

[lilac stag]

Originally it was just adding an extra keybind

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[lilac stag]

you’re not out of dance that long, and you’re likely going to be afk going into it [feels]

Out of dance it’s more 1112 if anything hahah, aoe maybe 343434

or 67 if you prefer

[swift tinsel]

Ye in that case make it do big dam and buff next finisher instead of energy shit

[tribal blade]

we don't need energy anymore

[swift tinsel]

Especially when apex grants a ton

[tribal blade]

i imagine sub is zooming with bug fixes

[swift tinsel]

Oh yeah

Blades bug already fixed on beta, if they clear most apex bugs we’re stylin pretty hard

[tribal blade]

the funny thing was even with sub being hella bugged energy was completely fine on beta

[graceful osprey]

I wonder how there could be something new added without the need to have it fit in the dance/sb window to make seem like it’s not over complicating it

[swift tinsel]

Idk it’s not really that complicated

[tribal blade]

i think most sub rogues would want you to be doing more in dance

outside dance is kinda w/e

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, to me designing for out-of-dance is the least compelling thing you could do

It’s meant to be less fun

[tribal blade]

yeah whole fantasy is you going into dance and go big unga bunga

[swift tinsel]

Idk of any fun filler rotation among any spec in the game

[lilac stag]

an impactful builder to partner with impactful finisher (sectech)

[swift tinsel]

Omfg an impactful builder would explode so many forum CHUD minds

[lilac stag]

doesn’t even need to generate combo points. Just truck damage, trigger danse, buff next finisher

wouldn’t need to be every dance

[graceful osprey]

Hmm like what if let’s say a new finisher only useable in dance? Like a cone aoe shadow daggers

[lilac stag]

or amp shadow dam during dance

I don’t think we need aoe, but that’s me

If it amps shadow it would cover both

[graceful osprey]

Like maybe in shadow dance, evis is a last prio finisher and we’d have ST and something else that’s like maybe 10 sec cd
I dunno just throwing ideas

[maiden oar]

i just liked the feeling of setup previously in terms of coup/sht/rupture/farming cdr etc

[lilac stag]

I’m not sure the desire of short CDs tbh

they won’t feel impactful

And it’s just a button then

[maiden oar]

that is the major thing i miss in terms of feel for me personally

[swift tinsel]

You’ll still have that to a degree

You’ll want to have ideally sht stacks for cds

[vale pine]

The easiest way to make dance feel more impactful is to give a talent similar to shots for secret

[swift tinsel]

And getting coup/dn

[maiden oar]

i felt rewarded for doing prep work outside of my cds but maybe the apex helps

[swift tinsel]

It does

Having a bigger sht bank going into cds is good

[lilac stag]

Taking away thinking about Sectech timing with “shots” makes it less impactful. You’re just dancing on cd.

dumbing the spec even further

[swift tinsel]

That’s why I think Shot should be attached to blades not dance

Bc that grants 2x supercharged Sectechs every blades

[lilac stag]

sblades reduces Sectech cd by x

[swift tinsel]

When you’re already lining it up with dance outside blades every time

Idk blades reducing cd

Bc you still want to supercharge it

[lilac stag]

Sitting there and having Sectech basically auto ready every dance is not it.

blades sure I’d be down to explore that

[vale pine]

You dont take anything away with the shots idea you still need to manage baseline secret

[swift tinsel]

Attaching it to blades makes the most sense to me bc that’s the only time you really experience that friction

The only thing I could see with Shot on dance is the occasional double supercharged sectechs which would be kinda sick, which you could also do in blades in your first dance

[lilac stag]

adhd brain, so elv is able to capture buffs that default cant

[swift tinsel]

Idk I still hate 20-21sec sectech

With 90sec cds

[lilac stag]

wdym 20-21

[swift tinsel]

Gl getting 35% haste season 1

[sinful zephyr]

the cdr as trickster is still bugged no? that should help a little

[swift tinsel]

Yea

Still bugged

[tepid trellis]

you dont need that much to hit that in actual midnight its just prepatch being funny

[hallow perch]

Anyone was doing some mythic testing yesterday and has a VOD of it ?

[vale pine]

Midnight is probably around 12% or so

Pre patch has no apex so haste has more value

[swift tinsel]

Wouldn’t 12% haste only drop it to 19-20 sec cd

With trickster cdr

[keen dome]

I wish Midnight was NOW

(but also took as long as it needed)

[tepid trellis]

stats are getting squished down as we level

% wise

[lilac stag]

the get weaker as you level approach that always feels good.

[swift tinsel]

So the cdr isn’t 25x0.88x0.90 at 12% haste

[tepid trellis]

12 or so percent haste in midnight is like 600 haste stat a little less

[swift tinsel]

Right

[lilac stag]

This is what eleem had posted for 90 for extra gcds

[swift tinsel]

But for sectech cdr

Not rating to % question

Of haste value

[tepid trellis]

it will go down to around 18-19 sec

[swift tinsel]

The math doesn’t math is what I’m saying, unless sectech haste cdr isn’t calculated the way I thought/typed (25x0.88x0.90) assuming trickster

Bc that’s 19.8

[swift tinsel]

It’s not what I’m asking, just about how Sectech cdr is calculated

[patent crystal]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[swift tinsel]

something funky

on beta

[chrome palm]

Don’t we have some haste from alacrity or something

[swift tinsel]

ah yeah duh forgot they changed it

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel dance timer bar overtop energy

dont mind the misalignment

[swift tinsel]

if only you could border the bar

[lilac stag]

i can

[swift tinsel]

I dropped tweaks bc it was getting real fucky so now I get to set up arcui on everyone

[chrome palm]

Are you using arc still scath

I have become a true believer in arc

[lilac stag]

ye

[chrome palm]

Being able to create a bar for shadow techniques almost makes sub not horrid for me

[lilac stag]

x

[chrome palm]

Have you tried something similar?

[swift tinsel]

sht bar?

[chrome palm]

In arcui

[swift tinsel]

like how they have cp or what

[chrome palm]

Yep

[swift tinsel]

or maelstrom

[lilac stag]

i do better with numbers

[chrome palm]

A bar with ticks on it

[swift tinsel]

hm that sounds kinda sick

[chrome palm]

Showing sht

[swift tinsel]

ngl

[tepid trellis]

i dont even track my sht stacks

[lilac stag]

let me see if I can make one

[chrome palm]

I can post mine in a sec so you know what I mean

[swift tinsel]

I previously had rings around my cp that showed different colors for 7+ stacks

[chrome palm]

I cap mine at 7

[swift tinsel]

for old shadowcraft refunds

[chrome palm]

Yeah if you look at an older picture of luxthos

He had them too

[swift tinsel]

too bad you can set conditionals for cp+sht

WA I miss you

[lilac stag]

what color do you want the bar?

[tepid trellis]

with how sub works in midnight i just got rid of ShT stacks seems so pointless to track

[chrome palm]

You can sorta

[chrome palm]

Purple of course

Yeah you probably could get rid of sht tracking but

It’s not exactly visual overload to track it xd

[swift tinsel]

ye otherwise my buff tracking is just dance and mark/dn/eb lol

and dn shows up as a standalone proc with arc

with a proc glow lmao

WA died for what

[swift tinsel]

arcui literally is just WA2.0

[lilac stag]

x

[chrome palm]

I just set it to cap at 7

So it’s the same as combo points

Full bar = reset

Maybe better to cap at 5

[lilac stag]

right now the stacks comes so quickly lol

i thought it was broke

[swift tinsel]

retail update, omg is blades bugfix coming to prepatch

[chrome palm]

Waiting for arcui to support secondary resource tracking so I can turn combo points white at 6-7

It already is I think

[swift tinsel]

lol as soon as they do that I'm dropping sensei

[chrome palm]

But not beta

[chrome palm]

Ye same

[flint parrot]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

sensei is very nice for just a really basic resource tracker

[graceful osprey]

What if we had a finisher that spends our stored combo points for one big nuke?

[swift tinsel]

like an empty-the-bag finisher

[chrome palm]

We already have a big nuke finisher

[swift tinsel]

honestly with how much energy we get in dance/blades I'd be okay with a Ferocious Bite type deal

[chrome palm]

And eating all your sht wouldn’t really feel good

[graceful osprey]

But a bigger nuke

[chrome palm]

Here’s the problem

[swift tinsel]

so it would feel decent being capped constantly

[chrome palm]

Now our nuke is wimpy

Because it’s balanced around being worse than the bigger nuke

[lilac stag]

non-energy goremaw amped by SHT stacks

[graceful osprey]

Does more damage the higher the stacks?

[chrome palm]

Also the hero talent eviscerates are already small nukes

Apex accomplishes this it’s bugged

[swift tinsel]

just make it one big coupppppppp

[chrome palm]

With secret technique

[lilac stag]

gcd extended by number of stacks

[swift tinsel]

(andalsomakesectechonebigshadowhit)

[chrome palm]

5 hit coup son or 3 clone sectech daughter

[lilac stag]

so what are we doing with SHT on DS then?

[chrome palm]

Wym

[lilac stag]

if we're gigaamping coup

[swift tinsel]

each stack of sht consumed adds one stack of mark

so you never proc DN ever

win/win

[lilac stag]

sell me a DS nuke

[swift tinsel]

aoe DS solved

[chrome palm]

Well you still want to supercharge DN, and even though apex is bugged with DN, it still gets value from being supercharged

Not that dn is always supercharged but

You can probably massage it

[lilac stag]

i'm talking about sht stacks that we're playing being a rogue dev with

[chrome palm]

Oh

It consumes extra sht

To do nothing

[lilac stag]

DN do nothing tracks

[torpid heath]

Sht = Shadow Tech?

[chrome palm]

So in true ds fashion it doesn’t work

[tepid trellis]

yes shadow techniques

[vale osprey]

Top tier

[upbeat cradle]

I .... Don't enjoy sub anymore

Feels like i'm playing BM hunt

[quaint lodge]

sounds fun

[chrome palm]

this is how i use the sht bar, serves no purpose in prepatch ofc

[quaint lodge]

except ur wrong, you need an even BIGGER nuke

[swift tinsel]

Nuke Nukem

[quaint lodge]

@chrome palm its even worse than u described

this shit sucks man

[quick marlin]

does anyone know what the small yellow bars are under sectech and shadow dance

[chrome palm]

yeah a lil bit xd

better with apex

hopefully there are more optimizations around banking sht before dance or using the hero talents

need a lot of bugs to get fixed first

[quaint lodge]

Praying they get around to our bugs this tier

Granted they already let assa rogue be bugged rthe entire last tier, so i doubt it

[chrome palm]

they fixed a few big ones recently

they just abandoned s3 in general assa wasnt the only one, but it was pretty sad that both assa hero talents were massively bugged tho

like fdk had bugs with their hero talent and just played the other one, assa didnt have that choice

[quaint lodge]

yea fair

praying for a good rogue season

[lilac stag]

blades behind dance bar timer

[keen dome]

ooh, that's nice

[lilac stag]

the second dance obscures it though

[crystal bone]

guys remind me the addon for raid frames that paired with unhaulted?

raidsteadyframes or something

raidframesettings?

i think i just go with these 2 instead of relying on elvui

[austere spear]

what UI are you using for this?

[lilac stag]

i think we roll with this

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

A bit busy for my tastes, but that's really goood looking.

[austere spear]

yeah i really like the look of that

[lilac stag]

arcui

[lilac stag]

it's small overall on the screen. i find the bars easier to look at for dance/sblades

[austere spear]

Thats why i like because of how clean it looks. Is there a profile you could share for it?

[lilac stag]

i can probably shrink the dance bar

[tribal vortex]

Hello guys i am playing mainly assa but wanna try raid tomorrow as sub, cba changing talents for each boss unless it is a big diff. Is the deathstalker one ok ? or i should go trickster for NK dimmy etc

[lilac stag]

look at wcl if you want to min max

[lilac stag]

not right now

[tribal vortex]

i just want a build that kinda works for everything more or less unless there is no such thing. For example for assa we just changed CT to internal bleeding and we were good to go

[lilac stag]

#subtlety-faq

the raid is basically all ST except for demon hunters

[fallow nimbus]

Man, once you setup a cdm addon there is no going back or else you have to do it all over again

This is sensei + bcdm, i shrunk the combobar a bit but not at the pc at the moment

This was heavy work getting all borders to 2px with 2px gaps all around

[austere spear]

there is an export/import string available in arcui that i see

[lilac stag]

yeah doesnt mean I'm exporting it

it's still a WIP

if you want ready made, luxthos has stuff out there already

if I release anything it'll be midnight, not prepatch

it's a good bit of work and i'm a perfectionist

[austere spear]

fair

[lilac stag]

arc is missing a center option. maybe soon

[swift tinsel]

arc might be the most frustrating to use but its also so damn flexible

also Quazii quitting wow wasn't on my bingo card

[plush roost]

Bro crashed out and then in the wreckage lit a match and caused another explosion holy

[lilac stag]

good on him, let it burn

you can debate the issue, without being hateful in your targeting. unfortunately that wasnt the case. let bliz get rid of all the pawwall shit

[swift tinsel]

was LuckyOne crashing out that hard?

[spice monolith]

This is clean

[swift tinsel]

I just saw the tweet where he showed the 1:1 code rips

[lilac stag]

mmhm

[lilac stag]

thanks, it's getting there

[swift tinsel]

https://x.com/Luckyone961/status/2015068854607650864?s=20 the tweet in question

Luckyone (@Luckyone961)

🧵Since the conversations in the initial post comments are all over the place, here is screenshots of the copied code. The point in this claim is that without asking for permission, you don't get to copy paste All Rights Reserved code into a project locked behind a paid

X · Jan 24, 2026, 2:27 PM

[austere spear]

Ye look forward to the released version if it ever gets there

[lilac stag]

i dont want to get sued

[austere spear]

bruh what

[lilac stag]

it's a state of the addon joke

[plush roost]

My question is, even if quazii copied some code from elv (remember when they said the project was over in september) whats the big deal? Its clearly altered in a way that it is its own thing.

[lilac stag]

they're butthurt that they didnt figure to make money off of it

[plush roost]

And as well, like, elvs is free so why do they care lmfao

[swift tinsel]

I think its a combo of the fact it was copied but then also sold as an addon not a profile

and was an easy Gotcha

[bleak wind]

is there a way to see anything else than a pure cosmetic number on details now? Do I have to log everything I do to even see if my spells crit or not

[lilac stag]

we also dont know exactly what got copied.

[austere spear]

ah im not current with drama. I just came back to the game and setting up my ui for Midnight

[swift tinsel]

see tweet

[lilac stag]

that's one side of it

[plush roost]

Not atm 8( maybe when a details addon gets more permissions one can hope

[swift tinsel]

screenshots of the code?

[lilac stag]

i see no screenshot

[swift tinsel]

open the tweet

[plush roost]

@lilac stag

Its in comments

[bleak wind]

Im so glad the decision to make the game more user friendly and not require addons is now forcing me to have an addon + external tool + external website to see the most basic things

[plush roost]

Yeahhhh at least the games fun

[lilac stag]

blizzard wanted to nuke WA's. the players are left in the crossfire

[swift tinsel]

and all of it still mostly falls short of what WA could do even from a cosmetic perspective

[vagrant fulcrum]

yo, do we change anything based on having / not having silent storm?

[swift tinsel]

nope

don't really play around that at all

[vagrant fulcrum]

one more thing to remote from cd trackin g then

[lilac stag]

that's also how math works for doing resizing. if pixel perfect is the only thing LOL at luckyone

[fallow nimbus]

If i could change the cdm icons and bars without an cdm addon that would be great

[swift tinsel]

yeah I felt I was grasping trying to find stuff to put in the Essential row lol

[vagrant fulcrum]

ez one is kick / vanish

[swift tinsel]

man imagine a world where Edit Mode could usefully edit that

[fallow nimbus]

I added step and cloak

[swift tinsel]

yeah Ive got dance/blades/sectech/feint/sprint/kick atm

[vagrant fulcrum]

they need to let us track cdg itself, not escalating blade smh

[brave moth]

If I don't have enough haste to send 2nd SecTec in Shadow Blades. I hold 2nd Shadow Dance for SecTec to come off CD, yes?

[lilac stag]

it's all just dumb tbh. he started working on it once lucky said they were done. LOL WE'RE BACK

[bleak wind]

the fact that an addon can do it means blizzard allows it and decides to hide the options on purpose in an update to make the game not require addons is a crazy decision

[fallow nimbus]

I mean masque exists so let it skin all default icons

[lilac stag]

addon forks have been a thing forever

[swift tinsel]

ye

wait no

you send with the dance after

send 2x dance in blades like usual

[lilac stag]

2x dance in blades always

[swift tinsel]

sorry misread

[vagrant fulcrum]

heck why cant i track stuff with bars AND icon

[swift tinsel]

what would you want to track twice?

[vagrant fulcrum]

blades and dance

wouldnt mind a bar and icon

idk got nothing on the screen anymore

[swift tinsel]

I don't even track blades buff uptime lol

[sinful zephyr]

but you can make a bar and an icon for blades in the blizz ui

[brave moth]

I forgot the first SD is 12 seconds. But I hard need to get some Haste

[swift tinsel]

current arcui setup, still got a lot of adjusting to do

like making energy/cp match essential row

[harsh meadow]

As rogues I think we need to use quazi UI, ya know just to be some edge lords

[vagrant fulcrum]

for me it seems to be mutually exclusive

[harsh meadow]

I’m just kidding I’m not paying for a fucking UI

[vagrant fulcrum]

quazi made his ui paid? rip

[swift tinsel]

yep

which is why he's quitting wow

[harsh meadow]

Yeah I had used it before, but since it’s pay walled now

meh

[sinful zephyr]

you have a second tab there. At the top you can drag in your spells and they display as bars when activated

[swift tinsel]

Also very annoyed nothing can remove player frame energy bar from default player frame

BetterBlizz can only remove cp

[sinful zephyr]

its independent from the cds in the other tab

[swift tinsel]

they want a bar and icon for the buff

[placid elk]

ppl really tuning a CD manager for a spec with 2 buttons kekw

[swift tinsel]

yep

must not take long with only 2 buttons

[past token]

sorry if its asked before but the macro of shadow dance + secret techniques in the faq isn't popping shadow dance for me?

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel the other funny haha. for all the copied code, QUI didnt do this

[swift tinsel]

what was QUI usage? never used it myself

[lilac stag]

very low

https://tenor.com/view/rip-dr-evil-homies-gif-10430138

[swift tinsel]

idk seems like a bit of a tantrum rugpull on his part

[north schooner]

are we still in 2005? 20mb is nothing

[torn tide]

bruh lol thats crazy

[lilac stag]

it's also the cpu profiling with elv, not just the memory. I'm waiting for another crashout by monday

[torn tide]

is it even worth grinding the pre patch event btw, isnt the gear like hero track and maximum upgraded to 144

[lilac stag]

transmogs and alts

[dry plank]

Oh thanks. Didn’t know we have event kek

[void ocean]

is Midnight PTR up or is that yet to come

[swift tinsel]

been up for a few months

well, alpha/beta

ptr also up tho

[void ocean]

blah i was hoping i'll be able to join it without having Midnight but it says im incompatible

[opal hound]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jolly sleet]

Are these buff timer bars ? How did you manage that ? 😮