subtlety

[soft summit]

Just curious, if I have 2 targets is my builder shurikan storm and BP? Or am I still using single target? If so, how many mobs before I use AOE? Deathstalker or trickster hero talents

[alpine wraith]

that one was silly

2 targets you can strike

[plush roost]

Haha thats crazy theres a gigantic line coming from you!

[alpine wraith]

but also storm

as for bp 2 targets is fine to bp

you can even macro coup and bp in the same button for now if you are trickster

[plush roost]

Wait what

[soft summit]

Really? What’s that macro

[hazy breach]

Wouldnt recommend that

[alpine wraith]

yea someone found out but they can break it at any time

[plush roost]

/cast coup
/cast bp i assume?

[alpine wraith]

yea that easy but still

[plush roost]

Thats silly

[alpine wraith]

sometimes you may want to hold coup

[plush roost]

Ye ofc

I just was surprised that was a thing

[chrome palm]

Surely coup holding dead

[hazy breach]

Nop

[soft summit]

Hold coup for shadow dance yah?

[azure thicket]

also ran an attempt at a plexus kill with pugs

[alpine wraith]

i also didnt believe until i logged in and ehehe

[azure thicket]

they ignored adds on mythic

[chrome palm]

The tuning is so free

[azure thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/peaky-boys-gif-21252515

[chrome palm]

I did some 21s and never even hit feint

[alpine wraith]

you can still hold coup or 1 stack of mark if you are about to enter dance

but tbh we have so much dance uptime it feels weird

[plush roost]

Ye day 1 me forrest bansh and wox did eco 24 and gambit 24 with like 11 deaths

Tuning XD

[alpine wraith]

it is very silly

[chrome palm]

Tww remix man

[plush roost]

Real

But yeah you hold coup if sectec dance is coming up in 5ish seconds i wanna say. Supercharged apex coups are insane

Ive been pooling a bit before hand as well

Like sht stacks

Have to cancel aura apex on sec tec but w.e

[azure thicket]

netherprism is honestly still really good its not supported currently

[hazy breach]

You just macro that into sectech

And forget about it

[soft summit]

Do we have a soft haste cap we aiming for?

[hazy breach]

It is

[azure thicket]

almost beat a frost mage just forgot it was there

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq or any of the guides

[azure thicket]

weakaura trinket tbh

but also possible in addons right?

[plush roost]

I wonder if the next minmax is to have a seperate cancel aura macro so you can 2 seconds before sec tec is up go cancel aura evis, prime apex, dance coup, sec tec so youre not wasting disorienting but not wasting sec tec cdr

Thoughts eleem?

[soft summit]

Thank you good sir

[hazy breach]

I dont get what youre trying to accomplish

[slate lantern]

a drop of complexity prolly lol

[warm marlin]

I like it

But also it won’t work

Premed bug

Can’t dance into 2x finishers

[harsh meadow]

charrend cooking way too hard

[azure thicket]

just saying one of our 6/8m tanks is missing a hand cause of a motorcycle accident

it's okay to be mean to rookies they deserve it

would be 7/8 but the holidays y'know

heck em to the max

[harsh meadow]

Christmas holidays eviscerated our roster

We ended up 7/8 too

[azure thicket]

we got to platforms before things totally dissolved

actual burn phase lost to santa 🙁

[pure dust]

I just re-subbed. wow sub feels different

lol

[honest saddle]

Just noticed the pin message. What kind of psycho recrafted for prepatch. I want names!

I need to know who the serial killers are in this chat.

[modern pond]

can someone explain, why we want to use dance on low cp's? wouldnt you want to build up combo point for instant sec tec? 😄

[honest saddle]

Might be lash macabre

Unsure

actually that wouldnt matter. Yeah, unsure on why you'd build first

[sweet turret]

was looking for the explanation too

[azure thicket]

strike got buffed

afair

[lilac stag]

You’re better off dance + Sectech if you risk missing a global in dance

[steel horizon]

yeah i thought the play is macro sectec to dance and and send on full cp so u dont waste dance time

[pure dust]

I would figure you want to get as many shadowstrikes as you can during dance, so you would want to go in low combo points, but i am sure there is a better explanation

[lilac stag]

You can’t macro dance + strike

[sweet turret]

why that? was possible before (didnt play 3months)

[honest saddle]

Shadowstrike is good, but don't think its more dam than evis or tech.

[lilac stag]

It’s not been a thing since TWW

[sweet turret]

sure, with backstab, but macro works the same

[lilac stag]

It does not

[hazy breach]

Yeah you can with backstab

[lilac stag]

There’s a delay from Stab changing to strike

[hazy breach]

You cant with strike

It doesnt work

[hazy breach]

For trickster it doesnt matter, for some reason deathstalker prefers low cp

Not entirely sure why

[azure thicket]

dsm and dn hurt

lingering darkness is extremely fat

[honest saddle]

I wonder if the reason it prefers low cp

[azure thicket]

i would guess

[honest saddle]

Is because the Sim otherwise might do a 6 point tech

And low cp guarantees 7

[hazy breach]

It does not

[azure thicket]

20m dn/ld/shiv crit on big momma during vuln phase etc

[hazy breach]

Fwiw DN does pissall damage in comparison to Coup

Especially since youll be proccing the apex on it

[fallow nimbus]

Dance + strike works but needs 2 presses

[chrome palm]

trickster gameplay: find the target that ate your clever combatant to hit with coup

time for aim trainer

[hazy breach]

Yeah both of those bugs should get fixed

[honest saddle]

should

[fallow nimbus]

Trickster should always proc on target and only if you have none go random

[crystal bone]

double coup was such a good feeling

u will be missed

[fallow nimbus]

But that's probably harder to code than unkrangle sectec clones

[chrome palm]

i was thinking

maybe you could dance -> secret -> shiv -> coup, if you have 4x EB already

i suppose cheap shot would work as well

[hazy breach]

Does not

It doesn't generate cp if it doesn't stun

[chrome palm]

yeah just on a non boss

wait do umbral edge clones proc shadow techniques from ancient arts

[earnest rune]

anyone got the simc strings for Screams of a Forgotten Sky and Perfidious Projector?

[chrome palm]

like could you cheap shot at low sht at the beginning of dance

[hazy breach]

I mean you could

But why

[sweet turret]

big stun or cast stop

[chrome palm]

like if you have the above scenario, but not a lot of sht

so its easier to get the coup clone

if you only have 1-2 sht

[hazy breach]

You could cheap shot for a clone of strike, or you could just cast strike which does more

[chrome palm]

yeah but

the strike isnt a guaranteed clone

[hazy breach]

Strike does more than the clone

[chrome palm]

im saying if you dont think youll get an apex refund off the coup

because youre low on sht

maybe you cheap shot to generate sht from the clone

via apex 2

well they dont proc sht anyways of course, what did i expect

[azure thicket]

just make the raid bosses and associated add phases after lfr difficulty thicc

should be fun

[sweet turret]

is it worth it to renew the subscription currently?

maybe for assa even

[chrome palm]

if you arent subbed

[lilac stag]

Do you want to play the game?

[chrome palm]

just wait until midnight

theres nothing to do rn

on prepatch

[sweet turret]

having a 3 month break currently

[lilac stag]

There’s shenanigans. Nothing all to serious. If you haven’t seen TWW content you’d likely find stuff to do

[chrome palm]

this was fixed

[flint parrot]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tropic pier]

are prepatch sims working for simming our sub gear out of curiosity, i saw fuu has sims on the sheet

[hazy breach]

Mostly yes

[crystal bone]

i personally wouldn't, next season is 2 months away still

march 24th

[tropic pier]

Whats the "mostly" part?

[hazy breach]

It works

But its not very optimized

[hazy breach]

👀

[chrome palm]

SPEC SAVED

ok but

clone bugs fixed before blades numerical bug

blades rework confirmed

[lilac stag]

tooltip bugged

[chrome palm]

not getting extra combo points is more than a tooltip bug

[upbeat smelt]

For you guys that played beta how is our Apex talent? On paper seams meh.

[soft summit]

do we want to build 6 combo points then go into shadow dance ->sec tech... or do we want to start off with no combo points, hit shadow dance, shadow strike then sec tech

[vale pine]

i already have my loot sheet updated as much, tho i don't know all item levels yet to do a midnigth version of !up yet

[hazy breach]

Fwiw the cp lost from that sectech bug is not far off the cp lost from blades

Especially before you get tier

[vale pine]

!upgrade

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1463210920976056351/dark.jpg

[crystal bone]

i like yours more

so clean

[plucky moon]

This is it now boys i gues

Dont think i can do bether than this

[vale pine]

ye, we haven't found a good replacement for the one who did a similar format

[chrome palm]

every ancient arts ii bug fixed is a lock of my hair that doesnt turn gray from not having a shaman

[vale pine]

so i just started to do one on my own ^^

[slate lantern]

rip ghostopera the goat

[vale pine]

he stopped playing

iirc

[crystal bone]

[steel horizon]

I dont think theres a big difference but the advantage to doing dance sectec is that it can be macro'd as to not waste any time in dance that could otherwise cause you to miss a global

Cus depending on your haste you might have a weird dance timer like 7.2 seconds for example. so if you were to waste any time in between globals, then you miss a global

But im not sure if darkest night takes prio over sectec if entering dance on full cp

[soft summit]

k thanks

[upper cosmos]

so is there no longer a way to have the ace sound effect play when shadowcraft refunds?

[chrome palm]

no more cdr or anything on secret technique so as long as it gets supercharged it should be fine to eviscerate for dn first

not a real difference there

[steel horizon]

The only issue i can see with doing sectec first is that you're technically "wasting" a stack of deathstalkers mark because theres nothing for the sectec to consume if dn is up

But again idk how much of a difference that is over the course of a fight.

[tepid trellis]

its going to be a buff when you get the apex talents fairly sure you can add sound to those (dont know if you can currently) but you also get a giant visual on your screen when its going to proc

similar to PS procs

and heating up for firemage

[woeful wren]

keep in mind the longer u delay sectech the less overall u may get to cast

[chrome palm]

i meant not a real difference as far as for secret technique

[hazy ledge]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[chrome palm]

huge difference for delaying darkest night/deathstalkers mark

[steel horizon]

So i guess its still good to have a no macro dance on a seperate keybind for when this happens

Or a dance+evis macro. I guess that works too

[chrome palm]

I think it’s apparently quite a bit more damage to dance at low cp as ds but the reason isn’t known afaik

[plush roost]

This may be more aoe centric since youd rather not hold globals and pool in aoe. Say you have 4 stacks of escalating, you cancel aura your ancient arts and finish with bp before your next dance, so you can trigger the ancient arts on your coup -> storm -> sectec is what im trying to infer, surely this is a gain since youre up one unseen blade doing this

Which can matter even more for something like your sblades, since that one extra unseen proc can lead into another supercharged coup and be less rng

[thorny wagon]

Does someone know at what time Raidtest starts today ?

[plush roost]

3hrs from now

[thorny wagon]

Ty

[hazy breach]

Their version control is just sus

Blades doubles cp on live now

But not on beta

[hoary lotus]

There like 300 branches

They just pick one and hope it's the right one

Do a bunch of work on the wrong build and yolo it to live or ptr

[deft gorge]

Hey anyone playing subtlety as a main?

[hoary lotus]

If you hate yourself probably

[hazy breach]

Lots of people

[deft gorge]

Just trying to see if I keep playing on my ilvl139 rogue or start playing on my fresh 80 assassin

[hazy breach]

You dont need two separate characters for different specs

But also play whatever you find fun

[slate lantern]

the only reason to do that is if you really like gearing up or if you want to be a different race

[steel horizon]

Don't most people that multi-spec have multiple sets of gear anyway?

To change secondary stats around and all that

[deft gorge]

I was doing legion remix and preferred the new name for my rogue

[deft gorge]

Not sure how to have 2 gear sets saved

[torn tide]

i like that i have to blast everything in a window instead of tracking poisons as assassin

[uneven scarab]

why would you track poisons on sin

[deft gorge]

Blast in what spec?

[torn tide]

sub

[deft gorge]

Whats your current rotation?

[slate lantern]

in your character sheet there is an outfit manager where you can save current set of gear and even attach it to a spec so when you switch it automatically switches gear

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq or any of the guides have rotational information

[torn tide]

just like dance, sb, sectec then i spam the shadowstrike/backstab and evisc lmao

until its time for the next window

[torn tide]

also this

[cursive vapor]

This channel here is prolly the worst place to find sub mains

[vale pine]

oh no, a formating issue

^^

[deft gorge]

Copy ty

[deft gorge]

Lol i clearly expected to find sub mains in the sub channel

[crystal bone]

blasphemy!

[deft gorge]

Haha

[torn tide]

yea 100% everyone here in this channel doesnt even play sub actually

we all play outlaw for sure

[fathom pendant]

outlaw is my least favorite spec. sub for pve and assasin for pvp

[torn tide]

i could never get assassin's pvp down

like damn bruh im just dotting them and waiting for them to die in half a decade as they heal faster than my dots

[fathom pendant]

idk now but garrote everything they melt

fun part they die trying to escape while you standing in the flag

in blitz I was the top killer most of the time lol fun fun

[astral axle]

https://tenor.com/view/how-could-this-happen-to-me-i-made-my-mistakes-simple-plan-untitled-untitled-simple-plan-gif-4632349

[hazy breach]

Can just talk in here now

[astral axle]

It felt different there

We were all so innocent

[plucky moon]

Is this bis trink for sub now?

[alpine wraith]

good for st yes

[fathom pendant]

I deleted all my addons im already at 27

[plucky moon]

Ye i have 6 more coins left to spend so thats 2 items

[alpine wraith]

im know im almost 31

[plucky moon]

Wana get bis trinks for it

[alpine wraith]

time flies fast

[deft gorge]

They do dmg wtf

[fathom pendant]

if you read reddit you install 5 addons daily

elv ui is coming this weekend, the dev version looks great

[uneven scarab]

im glad i got off elv tbh

i used it for a long time cuz i was lazy, but theres so much better out there

[fathom pendant]

I just like the mouse over action bar feature, blizz need to add that one, so far is visible, on combat, hidden

[bronze turret]

All you really need is a cd tracker in the middle

Keybinds should become part of your being after a while

[torn tide]

guys should i be saving my sb for bosses only cuz sometimes i go into bosses and sb is still on cd since i used it on a grouo

[bronze turret]

At some point i even played with hidden bars in combat, super clean

[uneven scarab]

no? Just use it on cd

[lilac stag]

Nameplates as well. Blizzard still pants.

[bronze turret]

Yea

Well

Not that important for raiding

For m+ sure

[lilac stag]

ye

[vale pine]

multiple of the cooldown manager addons now allow you to even add keybinds to it

[deft gorge]

How did u get that?

[bronze turret]

Almost like a WA, wow the tech

[vale pine]

it is rly good on single target

[uneven scarab]

Streets dungeon or dinars

[vale pine]

btw. push

you can now play subtlety on an xbox controller

you can reduce your rotational button count to 4 with macros

[uneven scarab]

P sure you can do it on a wii controller at this point lmao

[vale pine]

[placid elk]

this is our punishment for making fun of fire mage

[uneven scarab]

[deft gorge]

Indeed

[torn tide]

LOL thats hilarious

[bronze turret]

Well i am almost certain the plan is to make wow available on Xbox in the future so this pruning prob serves that

[torn tide]

i was playing with a beastmaster hunter earlier and he told me his rotation was basically 3 buttons too

and he was topping dps

[plucky moon]

I just bought it 😄

[lilac stag]

SV is their thinking spec now

[uneven scarab]

Meanwhile u just press boomstick and just top the meters

[bronze turret]

Bm hunter has always been brain dead

The ability to move at range and do dmg makes it so easy

[deft gorge]

Whats sv

[deft gorge]

Whats your i lvl

[vale pine]

survival hunter

[plucky moon]

If you mean overall its 169

[torn tide]

casually having a zoo in ur arsenal

[deft gorge]

Thanks.

I dont have too much experience in wow. Ive been playing solo casual for a while now

[deft gorge]

Is that current max?

[plucky moon]

Yeah

[vale pine]

gear caps out at 170

so 170 is theoretically the max

[plucky moon]

I mean ye but with crafted items that you need you cant be 170

But ye fuu has a point

[torn tide]

yikes im 30 levels down

[stuck lance]

What dps are you guys seeing right now in keys? Just wondering if I am getting close

[vale pine]

well we use crafted gear

so we cap at 169

[bleak night]

nice

[slate lantern]

nice

[vale pine]

also, crafted is 167, so all the 6-7 love too

[torn tide]

im doing like about 25k in +5 keys with 140 ilevel, probably bad

[rustic mortar]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rustic mortar]

god damn wclog is down again

anyone know whats a decent overall damage on 16 keys (eco)

[subtle hazel]

So now what. In midnight I just mostly press 2 buttons ?

[rustic mortar]

2 ST 2 AOE and CDs

[uneven scarab]

in midnight you will be playing sub rogue with your toes

[subtle hazel]

Hmmm

[fathom pendant]

now the dps loss for 1 button rotation is 9%

[lilac stag]

Stoooop. That doesn’t fit the narrative.

[subtle hazel]

I'll use obr and watch Netflix

[rustic mortar]

its like fdk but without grips and tankiness

[uneven scarab]

we are pretty tanky idk

[stuck lance]

Biggest win is sword mogs

[rustic mortar]

yes but fdk is more tanky 😄

[fathom pendant]

blizz did a survey to add tank rogues, stay tunned

[uneven scarab]

f that

Healer rogue would be better

throw vials

[subtle hazel]

Daggers look cooler

[stuck lance]

Sword look cool too

[lilac stag]

just a reminder, assa is more difficult than sub now because they have to press envenom… a lot.

[fathom pendant]

assasin have more to press than sub

[uneven scarab]

He spoke the truth and they wouldnt listen

[subtle hazel]

I like assa

[lilac stag]

and none of it has any real impact, where fucking up dance and Sectech still will.

[fathom pendant]

assasin is lazy now with 1 button u spread garrote and rupture on AoE

[uneven scarab]

yea its easy

[subtle hazel]

How can you fuck up dance

[uneven scarab]

every spec has shadow crash now

[subtle hazel]

Aff still has to tab rather Agony

[uneven scarab]

lot of ways actually

[lilac stag]

take a look at wcl and you’ll see

[alpine wraith]

dont worry my dms

are like a clown car

[uneven scarab]

[alpine wraith]

but i wont rat them out

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-car-krusty-simpsons-jheaton416-gif-4939143860707268157

[fathom pendant]

on prepatch logs sub is the top spec of the rogues

[alpine wraith]

yea turns out when bosses last 1 or 2 mins

the spec that use cds twice is good

[fathom pendant]

I think we are top 5 dps atm

[uneven scarab]

Tends to make you look good ya

no

[lilac stag]

yea we actually have burst and there are short kill times. It’s like heroic week 1

[uneven scarab]

Dont think top 5 matters when uh is doing double our damage

[alpine wraith]

i mean it has been what like almost 8 yers

of heroic kek week

situations

think uh got slammed

to the ground

[uneven scarab]

Yeah it did

[fathom pendant]

with the uhdk nerf we are probably top 4 now

[uneven scarab]

giga borked

[alpine wraith]

literally GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT

[subtle hazel]

Don't you just make sure to dance and then sech tech

[alpine wraith]

yea hard right

[subtle hazel]

Or is it more complex

[slate lantern]

liquid is calling me for a spot,they want to run 18 sub rogues next patch

[alpine wraith]

but you also need to snipe the adds

with that sec tech

[uneven scarab]

In theory its that easy

but theres alot more going on

[subtle hazel]

Maybe saving two dances for blades but then you will miss sech tech dance

[fathom pendant]

I still press the rupture key when playing so sad 🤣

[subtle hazel]

One

[uneven scarab]

I keep cheap shotting on accident bc its where my rupture key used to be

[subtle hazel]

If obr is only 9% loss that means most will list better with it

Going by wcl

[uneven scarab]

9% is alot

[subtle hazel]

Most people play under perfect sim

Some guy did the math once

[uneven scarab]

Yeah not by 9% though

[subtle hazel]

Probably more but of course

[uneven scarab]

obr is not a one button solution to your problems

[subtle hazel]

Depends on spec

[uneven scarab]

i hate to break it to you

[fathom pendant]

I only use 1 button rotation on alts on my main rogue I like to play normally

[uneven scarab]

any competent player with any sense of skill will do 100x better playing normally

[subtle hazel]

Im not gonna use it I just think most people are better with it going by this math one guy did

[lilac stag]

Are you ready for all the orange sub rogue parses that are free now?

[subtle hazel]

Most players are bad

[uneven scarab]

Yeah, those players you’re talking about typically dont set foot into raid or m+

[fathom pendant]

but 1 button rotation is fine I grabbed like 5 elite sets with it on pvp

[uneven scarab]

[subtle hazel]

Well the guy used Heroic raid logs, but not mythic then yeah those players will be way bettee

[uneven scarab]

Difference is smaller than youd think

its really a difference of time spent

[subtle hazel]

So do you save 2 dance for blades

[uneven scarab]

Yes

[fathom pendant]

how is aoe on sub?

2 button press that's it?

new mount, prepare a golden set transmog

[bleak night]

inb4 china exclusive

[alpine wraith]

the mecha cats are cool

sad we wont get them

[upbeat smelt]

Do we ever use CS and KS in a rotation for any reason, or is this more of a bonus and the real benefit here is the +15% damage to clones?

[uneven scarab]

its the clone damage

Like that’s probably nice for pvp but its never something youd prio in pve

you dont use those abilities rotationally, just as util

[upbeat smelt]

Ok I figured, was surprised to see this talent recommended in the icy veins and wowhead guides, but I didnt really know what part of our dmg comes from clones to know if that 15% is good or not

[uneven scarab]

quite alot

[upbeat smelt]

Can someone explain to me like I'm extra special how our Apex talents work??

[upbeat smelt]

Which surprises me because they skip Weapon Master

[uneven scarab]

yeah, its just not great in aoe

better in st

im not sure about the apex though havent read much about them

[upbeat smelt]

I really wish they made the clones more substantial so you could see better when it happens, or at least have a glyph for it or something

[uneven scarab]

what you dont love the little purple fart clones

that are like impossible to see

[upbeat smelt]

Yeah lol Im a sucker for visuals, im tripping over sub with swords seeing the shadow effects more prominent.

[uneven scarab]

Nah i completely agree though, visuals are some of my favorite parts of this game

i wish the clones were a bit more detailed

[vale osprey]

Is the SIM able to account for the fact that we want 35% haste ATM? Seems like it just wants me to blast full crit. Obviously prepatch Sims are a meme but still fun to play around

[sinful zephyr]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[lilac stag]

The sims are generally good.

[vale osprey]

Weird that it wants me to dip quite a bit lower than 35% haste

[lilac stag]

if you’re running zero haste and don’t have haste gear to chose from it’s not going to prio it

[plush roost]

Is it worht it in the opener if we dont proc quietus celeris to strike evis vanish strike evis, then dance so we can supercharge DN and sec tec?

any knowers?

[lilac stag]

trickster and DS will have different values.

idk what you’re trying to sim for

Anything more than a 2-3 minute sim is lulz for raid at this point

[tepid trellis]

its also only ST that wants that much haste

[vale osprey]

No I can comfortably get to 35, this is for DS ST, but you're right I'm simming 5 mins I think and there's not a single fight that long 😅

[lilac stag]

Dslice wanted me around 30

[vale osprey]

Rn my highest stat combo is something like (approx) 360 haste, 350 crit, 360 Vers, some mastery, like 200?

[rain stratus]

For some reason I cant upgrade my trinket, even though both my trinkets im wearing are max, and I have capped Valorstones :S

[lilac stag]

prepatch being prepatch

I couldn’t upgrade a ring.

[rustic mortar]

well at least its a lot to track

😄

[uneven scarab]

[shrewd lantern]

in all fairness, that's what you were mostly tracking in tww anyway

[lilac stag]

Throw your trinket and vanish in there

[weary tree]

anyone know how to get rid of these dumb world buffs in unhalted?

[shrewd lantern]

pruning flag was honestly a good choice

[uneven scarab]

Set it to only player buffs

in uuh

[weary tree]

It is

[uneven scarab]

Or disable them entirely up to you

weird

only shows my buffs with that selected

[weary tree]

wtf

Annoying

[rustic mortar]

i want a debuff ignore list

[weary tree]

And buff ignore list apparently

[rustic mortar]

and a 2nd buff bar + ignore list

😄

[spice escarp]

i want buff bars, dont need anything fancy just reskin blizzards

[sullen hare]

buff filtering isn't a thing right now

but you can try unchecking the box and reloading your UI maybe that helps?

[weary tree]

tried that enough times 🙁

idk whats wrong

Soem blizzard setting overriding?

[lilac stag]

Figure out the buff icon img file and make it a transparent img

[weary tree]

What kinda sorcery is that

[lilac stag]

what some healers are doing.

[weary tree]

Yo really

[lilac stag]

buffs/debuff legit worst thing in the UI shitshow right now

[weary tree]

Not wrong

There's just too many buffs/debuffs

Kinda hard to deal with when there's that many

[uneven scarab]

Blizzard frames are utterly helpless

as well

if you plan on healing

[outer cloak]

any talents thats good for st on beta

[uneven scarab]

pins

[zealous epoch]

Using the recommended builds, my hero talent Disorienting strikes is red;d out, saying it requires the secret technique talent. there is no secret technique talent but there is IMPROVED secret tech that makes the red go away. yall know if this is a bug or what?

[warm marlin]

bug 1: the red is purely cosmetic, the talents function the same way regardless of taking improved secret technique or not.
bug 2: the 10% cdr on secret technique from disorienting strikes does not work regardless of the talent being red or not

[zealous epoch]

oh ok, thanks

[warm marlin]

very well bug tested patch for sure

[latent finch]

what do you mean? we are bugtesting it rn

[vestal escarp]

so... if nephui is dogshit and out of the picture

what do i use?

back to elvui?

[uneven scarab]

better cdm

[lilac stag]

ArcUI or see what Elv cooked up

They’ve got an unsupported release on git

[vestal escarp]

they released officially afaik

on wowup

will look into arc ui

[fallow nimbus]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[fallow nimbus]

where new macroes?

[west tide]

why couldnt they let at least 1 rogue spec a little harder to play chat ..

[signal moth]

ngl coming from sub rogue last season to frost mage now.. seeing the opener being 4 buttons made me laugh out loud

[indigo pendant]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

What spec in the game is hard to play?

[finite crow]

ngl ds feels stronger than trickster now ngl

[dry plank]

Why?

[west tide]

cause they all braindead

sub and outlaw were hard!

they coulda let one spec keep some complexity man

[dry plank]

Sub was not hard

[lilac stag]

Sub was confusing

[west tide]

we play it

[lilac stag]

Not hard

[west tide]

think outside of ourselves

[dry plank]

Yes

[west tide]

sub is hardd for people to pick up

hard to master

[kind edge]

i liked the way sub was tbh

[lilac stag]

Because it was designed like shit

[kind edge]

and dont crucify me, but i liked rupture too lol

[upbeat garden]

I already wanna kill myself with the new sub playstyle ,there is no fun

[dry plank]

Easy rotation does not mean easy to play

[lilac stag]

Then don’t play it?

[upbeat garden]

If numbers are bad I wont

[dry plank]

I randomly enjoy pressing buttons on sub hehe

[upbeat garden]

rn prepatch doesnt matter

[lilac stag]

It’s a game. If you’re not having fun, why are you playing?

[upbeat garden]

Ye but I want to have fun on the spec and class I played for 15 + years

[uneven scarab]

Its not even midnight yet either, cant really fully judge specs

Pre patch is always a mess

[kind edge]

true

[lilac stag]

I genuinely have no idea what people expected when they flat out stated they wanted the gameplay to be more approachable for everyone.

[kind edge]

i just subbed again to fix all the UI, thats it

[warm marlin]

It’ll get a bit better with the apex

[uneven scarab]

[warm marlin]

Not much though

[upbeat garden]

No one who has brain said that

[west tide]

i just hope eventually they think its ok for some specs to be harder than others

[dry plank]

Without back to back finishers sitting on 14 sht feels bad yeah

[upbeat garden]

I dont think wow gained any new players for years

real new players ,not players who came back

[west tide]

i just want to be challenged a little sometimes in raid we shall see if raid will have enough added complexity to balance this out

[kind edge]

because IMO WoW inst very noob friendly

[west tide]

they did state they are reducing cognitive load in specs to add into raid

so lets see lol

[uneven scarab]

I hope that third raid is extremely hard

[upbeat garden]

whyspyr testing raid rn

[dry plank]

Try to beat top rogue on wlogs. How about that challenge? If spec is brainddead

[lilac stag]

Play arms

[upbeat garden]

go watch

[vale osprey]

I hope the raid and classes are easy so I can get my CE and go back to Poe 🙏

[west tide]

im rank 1 on a fight right now man

i dont play the game for parses anyways

thats a noob way to play

[signal moth]

it isnt, my friend played it for the first time ever.. not someone who came back but 100% new, as soon as he reached end game he quit as it was too confusing

[west tide]

tbh its still not noob friendly cause you have to level

lowkeyly

[kind edge]

yea my best friend told me once he install wow, he needs to quit job to just learn to play it xD

i just laughed cuz i know thats how most ppl feel, and its legit to feel that way

[uneven scarab]

i mean i learned in bfa, i think i was probably lucky bc the game wasnt very hard then

before the talent changes i think it was alot less overwhelming

[signal moth]

@kind edge the problem my mate had was it doesnt teach you anything, so he got to max then had no idea what to do.. 90% of his abilities came too fast so he had no idea what they did, he didnt use defensives cause he never needed to when leveling (he picked prot pala) he had no idea where to go in a dungeon etc lol it was awful

[dry plank]

Than try other classes or find another challenge 🙂

[dry plank]

Follower dungeons might help little bit 🙂

But game for newcomers are not friendly at all

[west tide]

anyones weapons gettin broken more often

[fallow nimbus]

the default nameplates are spitting lua errors man

[west tide]

i got a theory we are bugged rn and my durability going down too fast

[vale pine]

possible

pre patch this time is quite a clown fiesta

i don't think we had the game in a similar broken state before

[dry plank]

10-15 min on dummy and my weapons goes to 40-50% so yeah you are probably right

[steel horizon]

Are recrafts still broken?

[dry plank]

But not always

[tropic pier]

no

[clever lintel]

With all the add on bs and changes I definitely saw this pre patch being a hot mess. I doubt its all going to be fixed before live.

[rapid estuary]

they aint gonna fix anything lmao

[clever lintel]

Trying to be optimistic

[rapid estuary]

[clever lintel]

But you right

[rapid estuary]

unless its gamebreaking prob gonna stay as is

[kind edge]

i get it. the thing is if you really wanna master your class you need to pass time out of wow, reading stuff about wow, in this case, the class you wanna play

atleast i do that alot, and i think im not the only since we are all there in a discord chat about a specific class

[vale osprey]

My mainhand durability is getting ruined yeah, but idk if I'm just noticing it more because I don't have auto repair anymore

[uneven scarab]

It’s definitely going down faster

im having to repair it like twice as much i was before

[lilac stag]

Is all the extra haste and melee attacks

[kind edge]

i think blizzard atm have way more stuff to do than fix how fast weapons are getting broken, since alot of stuff is broken ahah

im with 5% haste only

[lilac stag]

sucks to be you

[kind edge]

/cry

[steel horizon]

Get your recrafts in before it breaks again

[kind edge]

i wont change stuff until midnight launch, it doesnt matter atm. im in pre patch mode 😛

[steel horizon]

Normally I would agree but haste actually changes how the spec feels instead of just "number go up"

So it's cool to play around with it

[kind edge]

true, but what we got to play atm ? nothing

[wispy pebble]

in cleave bossfights like the 3 demon hunters do we spam storm and powder now with an occasional coup ?

[steel horizon]

Target dummies 🤣. Plus my guild is still doing mythic reclears for mounts

[kind edge]

ok then in that case mby it makes sense, my guild is doing a break until launch.

[lilac stag]

Rip nephui ☠️

[wispy pebble]

huh? Didnt he post it stays up?

[lilac stag]

He crashed out

[wispy pebble]

lol. Well elvui releases tomorrow i think. No reason to use vibe coded addon anyways 😄

[lilac stag]

Elv is out now

[bleak night]

Can I has link pls

One of the guys in my guild or very invested in this drama

[vale pine]

F

[wispy pebble]

u dont like elv?

[lilac stag]

Best I can do

[vale pine]

no, the opposite

[bleak night]

[wispy pebble]

Bro complaining about stolen code as a vibe coder is so absurdly cringe

[clever lintel]

Glad I waited and didn't do much with base ui

[bleak night]

MechahitlerUI officially dead

[bleak night]

He's just complaining about stolen code to deflect from the fact that he stole code

[red vortex]

LOL

my guy

butthurt

[lilac stag]

Oh @vale pine https://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/s/hWBYAX8MjJ

[vale pine]

i saw that

i tested it but my ones are untracked

so no fps for me

[lilac stag]

bummer

[vale pine]

but my fps outside of the zone nobody talks about is good

[wispy pebble]

maybe ill give elvui a shot again

[misty compass]

So apparently the problem is 'cos he used AI but not because this code is big optimized, lmao, sure, I believe him 100%

[wispy pebble]

Sadly with blizz purging well known addons we now have weirdos vibe codind new ones

[uneven scarab]

its all open source code is it not anyway

like

[wispy pebble]

yea the license allows stealing

well "reusing" as long as your code is open source as well

[uneven scarab]

Right

[lilac stag]

Quazii issue is a blizzard ToS. He’s paywalling an addon which’s a no no.

[uneven scarab]

hasnt his ui always been paywalled

[bleak night]

Its funny because its not different at all from people having ui behind subs or whatever

But those weren't technically addons

They were profiles

[lilac stag]

no, before you could get access to the basics and the extra import scripts were behind patreon

[uneven scarab]

ahhhh i see

Yeah thats pretty cooked then

[wispy pebble]

maybe ill learn lua and write my own cooldown manager reskin. Im getting annoyed

[lilac stag]

now the addon itself is paywalled

Which is no no

[uneven scarab]

not a hard language tbf

one of the easiest

[bleak night]

Other uis were full pay walled previously

[haughty mural]

https://tenor.com/view/no-time-busy-aint-nobody-got-time-for-that-gif-15753141

[wispy pebble]

yea but im lazy as shit

[uneven scarab]

Just wait then

give it a few weeks we’ll have addons out the ass

[bleak night]

Ye

[misty compass]

Use grok

[lilac stag]

I hear Grok is good with lua

[wispy pebble]

i develop 8 hour a day i dont really wanna code in my freetime XD

[bleak night]

There's gonna be a fuck ton to come out

And we sort through the rubbish

Just to replace weakauras

[uneven scarab]

Im pretty much just waiting on cell, even though the unitframe part of it wont seem to work unfortunately

[lilac stag]

honestly Elv likely going to be best bet until dust settles on better coded approaches

[wispy pebble]

kekw. Id never use grok. I use gpt but also only for finding documentation not coding itself

[uneven scarab]

Grok is this real

[wispy pebble]

i dont need to vibecode since i can actually code XD

[bleak night]

Mechahitler make an addon that puts xalatath feet on my screen

[jolly sleet]

thats the way to go : asking link to accurate documentation regarding a specific request

vibe coding is bad coding

[steel horizon]

Do any of the CDM add-ons allow you to put a permanent glow on an icon? The blizzard one glows for like 2 seconds and then it goes back to normal

[lilac stag]

arc

[misty compass]

Lmao when i saw glowin feature i thought it'll let us chose the length

But they are like kk you can have 1.5 sec of glow

[steel horizon]

I know man

[misty compass]

And also sound notification which can be delayed but 10 seconds

And may not even work at all

[lilac stag]

arc right now is closest to WA features

[misty compass]

Thanks, blizz, i needed to know my cooldown is ready 10 secs after it's ready

[steel horizon]

Damn. I'm not a big fan of the all in one UI add-ons

[alpine wraith]

just realized they did some changes to assa and outlaw

but sub remains unbothered

[lilac stag]

It’s literally just a cdm

[bleak night]

What changes

[alpine wraith]

someone had to ask me about rogue after the changes

and i was like wait

[steel horizon]

Oh i thought arc was like elvui

[bleak night]

Oh you mean them shitting on bf

Yeah i think in this case sub is probably happier not getting changes

[alpine wraith]

yea they were like how is rogue after changes and i was like =?=?¿??

then i saw them

[stuck lance]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void hound]

do you guys like the new sub gameplay?

[sullen hare]

I'm torn

[signal moth]

well yeah but also new players have no idea where to go etc. unless we told him go here or there and then you start linking 400 different websites lol

[lilac stag]

It’s a vibe. I enjoyed it reclearing.

[sullen hare]

I think they trimmed too much and I'm gonna miss my CDR but the cdr is just kinda baked in and symbols getting baked into dance is a good thing too

I'm not a rupture hater fwiw

[lilac stag]

I am hahaha fwiw

[sullen hare]

yeah but you're cute so it's okay

[kind edge]

that is soo true bro

[lilac stag]

If they can fix goremaws / add a 45 sec cd and I think it’d be perfect

[sullen hare]

I wouldn't mind goremaws being a passive

[red vortex]

subt?

[sullen hare]

kinda like how cb is now

[red vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1279178304053842082/91xxgj.gif

[sullen hare]

and instead of being 3 finishers with no cost, make it a chance on generator to cause the finisher to be 10 energy less or something

it wouldn't be super overwhelming and skyrocket the APM but it would make it less of a dead talent

[lilac stag]

They just need to make it hit like a truck and get rid of the energy component

[sullen hare]

yeah, I mean we could use a little piano at this point

make it line up with dance / every other / every third or w/e

[haughty mural]

Does raid feel a lot better

[lilac stag]

I get why they disjointed Sectech to give you something to track, I think I’d like to see the CDR with combopoint back on it

[haughty mural]

Im not that sold only playing m+ for now this week

[lilac stag]

For me it was a nice mix of pacing and being able to focus on mechanics that I’ve had audible WAs with.

[sullen hare]

the impression I've gotten is that mythic is tuned very very easy

[lilac stag]

It felt comfy, and I still needed to watch dance / Sectech for blades if the fight lasted long enough

[haughty mural]

So it is kinda fine for you ? That was somewhat a big concern for you - the accessibility

[haughty mural]

I see

[sullen hare]

the guild that I was helping work on salad bar before the patch just got to the point where they were starting to bounce stars and this week they just walked in and 1 shot it

[lilac stag]

Oh that part is gonna be a wait and see with new raid

[uneven scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-the-rock-gif-21577036

this man is a genuis

[lilac stag]

The visuals are awful. The ghosts without being able to adjust contrasts with a WA were um… something.

[sullen hare]

I mean it's essentially asking for the same thing they did to CB. I'm not exactly some kinda gigabrain over here

[uneven scarab]

i do feel like i want another button though

ngl

[haughty mural]

Can’t wait to finally try some clone talents although it will just be weaponmaster

[uneven scarab]

but we cope

[haughty mural]

That sucks

[sullen hare]

I think wm+rs is typical for ST builds

since they're both shadow clone jutsu talents

[lilac stag]

but bliz sound alerts aren’t working

so that don’t help either

[serene thunder]

Does anyone know if sims are at all accurate for subtlety? Or, if not, how much damage a close-to-fully-geared subtlety rogue should be doing in prepatch?

[haughty mural]

Rs just ups Chance and dmg tho

[sullen hare]

I wasn't even getting system messages until I went into my chat settings and unclicked/reclicked them

[haughty mural]

Ah damn

[sullen hare]

they've been working overtime on em so they should be fairly accurate

[haughty mural]

What bothers me also is the bad implemented damage meter

Can’t even see what a min max hit is

[sullen hare]

yeah. just use details, which is essentially a reskin of it with less data than tww but it's still a huge improvements over base

for example: your min/maxes are there

[haughty mural]

Not for me

Details also does weird shit

[sullen hare]

no? let me dig something up

details, if you haven't, I would definitely recommend completely resetting

[lilac stag]

@haughty mural you should boomstick if you raid this week

[sullen hare]

mine got reset to defaults

oh! I misspoke. You're right they don't have min/maxes just avg

yeah that's pretty doodoo unforch

[uneven scarab]

is scrolling combat text out the window? like seeing damage numbers on enemies

[sullen hare]

logs should still have min/max so I guess I'm gonna become one of those auto loggers for everything

[haughty mural]

I did boomstick a bit in m+ yet - it’s nice

[haughty mural]

Yea

For reference for a quick hint I just did hit some birds in Dornogal with one ability and made 46k
Avg shows 8.99m and rest of the numbers are also all over the place

[haughty mural]

Logs for sure work fine
But for a quick overview inbetween fights - polished damage meter would be great

[lilac stag]

logs for the min max

[haughty mural]

I can guess what my hits look like

[uneven scarab]

if the meter ends up staying like this it'll be pretty depressing tho imo

[haughty mural]

As far as I know it’s not possible

[uneven scarab]

like its so useless lmfao

[haughty mural]

Pretty much

[uneven scarab]

compared to what we've had in the past

[sullen hare]

my favorite is the fractions of a % of hits

[haughty mural]

Yes.. also horrible

Looking forward to raid tho anyway
M+ on the other hand felt a bit bland the couple of keys i did - not gonna lie

[kind edge]

i dont know why blizzard want to hide the information that details provided, whats wrong about it ?

im ok with that they wanna remove the most of stuff about addons, but in that case about details i dont like too

[serene notch]

Less Info less tears about tuning

[kind edge]

that wont change anything imo, ppl will cry anyway about this and that

[haughty mural]

Tears will come when they watch the logs

[pseudo sail]

how is sub to play on prepatch? people on reddit saying they butchered the spec even tho it needed changes. Is it that simple now?

[alpine wraith]

it is quite simpler yes

think there was a wowhead post and i also did my opinion

when apex comes and they fix the bugs it will be more interactive in midnight at least

but the funny thing is there is like 2 or 3 traps from bugs too

like wasting apex on sec tech

or not charging sec tech

[haughty mural]

Apropos charging

Standard resource bar does have charged cps right ?

[alpine wraith]

sensei also has them

oh and i think pre dancing does work

to get 2 superchargers

actually let me check fast lest i scam people

maybe it got fixed

[pseudo sail]

on the wowhead post?

[haughty mural]

Couldn’t make it work on quaziis unforch

[alpine wraith]

could ask sensei how he did it

[plush roost]

guys

sub rogue is weak!

[alpine wraith]

5 mins da fuck

ours didnt even last 3 mins i think

[plush roost]

we lacked quite a bit of big orb damage

[alpine wraith]

wait is that dimensius

and it says salhadar

ok let me do some easy math

[plush roost]

nah its raid testing

lol

[alpine wraith]

ok it still works

i was not crazy

[shell willow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shell willow]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet

[hazy breach]

Ye and since theres no skill expression every rogue in testing should be doing what you are doing right?

[bleak night]

[plush roost]

[swift tinsel]

how can you express skill with only 2 buttons?!

[plush roost]

I didnt even know there was a damage amp on the unravel so i sblades a big add xD

[vale pine]

[vale pine]

pardon, 3 buttons

[hazy breach]

You stalking or trickyman

[plush roost]

Trickyman

Actual boss dam, so it wasnt just padding

[shell willow]

lol 30 bps ya'll did platforms?

[plush roost]

That fight is an insane sub fight

[hazy breach]

Did you see that they fixed blades charrend

[plush roost]

Raid testing

[hazy breach]

On live

[plush roost]

I did

[hazy breach]

And they fixed sectech

[plush roost]

But not beta!

[shell willow]

Oh okay myb

[hazy breach]

So it now gives 2 sht stacks with apex

[plush roost]

Wait sec tec is fixed too???

Sheeesh

This spec is gonna be so broken lmfao

[shell willow]

Fine with me. Sin looking doa

[alpine wraith]

interesting

[hazy breach]

If they fix so shadowcraft works on those too

Then we pog out

[alpine wraith]

yea if we get 4 with shadowcraft it will be big

[plush roost]

Yeee that will nerf sub methinks

They may leave it alone but if that goes through

Idk

[alpine wraith]

first 2 week heroes

[shell willow]

Are you running the haste trinket?

[alpine wraith]

we cant escape the allegations

[plush roost]

Heroic week legend!

[alpine wraith]

there are not great trinkets

so yea likely we may run that one although

haste is not as big in beta

[shell willow]

Just curious what charrend ran for the test

[plush roost]

The 1:30 flag trinky ye

[hazy breach]

From a while back when i calculated how much cp we lost due to the bugs

[alpine wraith]

have to remember to wait 0,4 to drop it tho!

[hazy breach]

As you can see the shadowcraft one is very impactful. As practically every strike procs 1 sht

[plush roost]

I was informed thats fixed

[alpine wraith]

didnt check tbh

but big if true

[hazy breach]

Yes the trinket gives stats immediately

[uneven scarab]

[alpine wraith]

POG

[plush roost]

Such a wild stat man

[hazy breach]

There is a 90s crit trinket too

[plush roost]

Just -35 finishers

[hazy breach]

But it gives way less stats than the haste one

[plush roost]

Yeee idk if i like that one

[alpine wraith]

think i like the haste one better tbh

[uneven scarab]

haste one seems good anyways we just get a giga duration dance ya

[shell willow]

Haste one probably better

[alpine wraith]

as long as you get tier set for 20 secs blades it seems good

[shell willow]

feelycraft but you can allocate more stats elsewhere

[alpine wraith]

but idk

[hazy breach]

Problem is that every haste breakpoint is ~500

Not 650

[shell willow]

Damn a lot of wasted stats in turn

[alpine wraith]

well we wont get it at max ilvl mythic likely

might stick with hero track or champion for a bit

[hazy breach]

Baseline hc is 577

[alpine wraith]

well at least we can math things out

imo i would get at least 0.2 or so extra

[plush roost]

I think hero flag will keep us strong for all of prog ngl

[alpine wraith]

likely

[shell willow]

good enough

[hazy breach]

Well i am assuming 0.2 extra, but that doesnt even matter for this comparison

Since its linear

[alpine wraith]

getting to 10 secs with trinket up and you piggyback it is good

[hazy breach]

For reference (at lvl 90 ofc, not 80)

[alpine wraith]

i was doing some quirky things and using pot inside first dance so it lasts through the other 2 and you dont overshoot making the first one too long

so you get the second and third longer ones but idk

pots will be weird if they dont nerf them

so maybe we go to like 2x% haste or a bit less

[grand summit]

So with proper haste weights in Midnight, how long is Shadow dance looking to be?

8 seconds?

[plush roost]

Like 7-8 but enough for 8 globals. If u use haste trinky can go higher during cds

[west tide]

i got pi in raid and bros

i was hittin hella globals in dance

[hazy breach]

You dont get more globals in dance because of PI

[bleak night]

[west tide]

alright

LMAO

bro isnt it haste

[bleak night]

its ok

walk it off

[bleak night]

its specifically haste from items iirc

[west tide]

what the heyll

[bleak night]

so no bloodlust/pi

[west tide]

hmm ok i felt longer ..

placebo..

dam so pi trash for sub..

[hazy breach]

Yep

[plush roost]

Tho, you do kinda proc hella apex talents with PI

Its not better than other classes

But it sure goes.brrrrr

[hazy breach]

Pretty sure its just more sht stacks after your blades end

[plush roost]

Idk when im in lust i kindof strike evis evis strike evis evis every dance

U get hella

[hazy breach]

Ok yeah i simmed it

It sits at 14 stacks of sht

For 18 seconds during opener

[formal sleet]

haven't played in over a year. why does stealth keep breaking? even when standing still, using no abilities or anything

[hazy breach]

Or well, it drops down after apex, but its over 14 before you can strike again. Overall sht overcap goes from 7 to 24

[hazy breach]

Are you using the intellect dagger from the hallowfall event

[formal sleet]

possibly? idk what that is. I bought a random AH dagger. Nightfall Darkcaster's Kris. and I have Blood-Kissed Kukri as well

[hazy breach]

Yes get rid of the intellect dagger

[formal sleet]

didn't even realize it was int only LOL ty

[hazy breach]

Seems like BL is kinda mediocre as well

[grand summit]

BL?

[hazy breach]

Bloodlust

[hazy breach]

Ok yeah the sim was doing some janky shit with my baseline almost no haste profile (probably sectech cd getting weird somehow)

It sims ~2%

[warm marlin]

does it let you drop haste

or dance globals too strong

swapping my ring out to crit/vers once im getting pi

holy moly

[hazy breach]

Cant be arsed to look more into it, as it would change if/when they fix sht bugs

Like they fixed one now, but its not fixed in simc yet

But wasnt PI like 1.5% or something before?

2% seems fairly similar, and not worthwhile

[grand summit]

wait why

[warm marlin]

the question right above it, just memeing about swapping stats once pi giving the haste u need. probably not actually a good idea

[chrome palm]

Perhaps with bl+pi you could double secret blades

[shrewd lantern]

i like how they gave it the outlaw treatment

[hazy breach]

You can with just BL, and with ~15% haste you can with PI too

[shrewd lantern]

of haste gives what the spell used to

[hazy breach]

But yes the extra sectech in the other blades is probably most of those 2%

[shrewd lantern]

i cant wait

to get parried on sectech

[hazy breach]

Pretty sure you cant

Also hopefully we play trickster anyway, in which case parry doesnt exist

[shrewd lantern]

i think someone showed sectech clones could be

even as

[tribal blade]

ello

how many times will people come in here saying sub is simple now i wonder

need a tally count

[hazy breach]

Tbf to some people subs identity was "being hard to play"

First and foremost

[tribal blade]

very true

ngl i've been feeling kinda an ego hit to sub becoming so simple

made me set up outlaw and get the rotation down

[sick basin]

This is literally every class and every spec disc right now tho

[tribal blade]

lol nice

[charred rock]

midnight sub feels like cata sub, just without the hemo rupture gameplay, you just sending builders and finishers during dance, im not mad at it, cant just go ape sending dance though without shadow blades and stuff so there is still some "me thinks" gameplay going on right

[tribal blade]

for new sub rogues there's still thinking involved prob

but i imagine for vet sub players it feels like kindergarten now

[charred rock]

vet subs should feel like this dude

https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-26107516

[kind edge]

Im really curious about that. What hero tree will be chosen and “the best” for m+

[hazy breach]

The least obnoxious is 100000% trickster

And if its close most people will play trickster, as is evidenced by all of tww nobody really wants to play deathstalker

[radiant swift]

does anyone have a classic aoe dmg breakdown for skills perhaps?

[bleak night]

deathstalker gonna go from not being played by one spec an entire expansion to not being played by either spec an entire expansion

now that fatebound is viable in aoe

[fallow nimbus]

Theme is good, mark is shit

[hazy breach]

Unless theyre tuned really poorly i suspect the top rogues will play deathstalker because its slightly more priority damage

[bleak night]

good thing im not a top rogue so i can play the less annoying one

sometimes sucking is good

[haughty mural]

Rejoice

[kind edge]

Yea, singulary focus is a game changer when we talk about pio targets

And higher the key, more value it gains

[hazy breach]

Well at some point if you only care about the priority damage and nothing else

Youre better of just eviscerating anyway right

And then singular focus doesnt matter much