subtlety

[fallow nimbus]

My next raid is on 01.feb

My guild is so lethargic when it comes to farm or prepatch raid

And then wondering why the sell run is the most sluggish thing not even progress comes near it

[sullen hare]

33ish% here. Definitely needed

Feels worlds different

[vale pine]

i think skyfury makes a big diffrence in feel

[sullen hare]

Oh that's without a doubt

[red vortex]

Alright today we farming 35% haste

[tribal blade]

can't imagine the poor casuals who logged into prepatch with 0 haste and were wondering why sub was unplayable

[vale pine]

i mean, i am close to that

and i feel like i need to pool energy for dance if i dance back to back

[narrow shadow]

is it worth doing Shuriken/bp in St just for danse?

[sinful zephyr]

I kinda like the flow but no cdr feels very strange, especially on sectech

[golden lark]

Sub feels so strange to play now with the loss of 4 abilities
feels like I'm just spamming 2-4 abilities 😂

Feels like it kinda lost its character, or maybe I'm just not used to the changes

[wild vine]

Imo specs always feel like they lost character if buttons get reduced that hard

I mean you didnt really have that many beforehand either way

So removing some feels worse than if you had a ton

[keen dome]

We mostly hit 2 - 5 buttons beforehand too

[wild vine]

I personally even dont like not having something like sod

[golden lark]

That is true!
now we barely have buttons during cds as well though

[wild vine]

Even if it didnt add that much

[golden lark]

no rupture to keep up either

[fossil forge]

Bring back coup dash as a exclusive ability

[keen dome]

Haha

[rapid estuary]

sub had so many buttons and my brain was so overwhelmed trying to parse the decision tree constantly that it was fun

but hit big button spend CP is also fun

[golden lark]

Felt more satisfying with the higher skill ceiling imo

Even though I didn't really maxd out its potential I still like the option 😂

[torn tide]

lmfao yea it was a mini game, also omg its valeera

[red vortex]

this is me, but am not the casual

[dry plank]

guys do we sent naked SechTech? lets say after shadow blades we have 7-9 sec cd on dance do we send naked and then next one in dance?

[red vortex]

never send naked sectecs

thats NSFW

and against ToS

[dry plank]

otherwise i feel like we delay it too much

because we stack 2 dance for next blades window

[alpine wraith]

you can send a naked one if you want to save dances for some situation

[limber sand]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[velvet nova]

at first i was like „yeah, 2 buttons instead of 12 is cool” as a joke
but bro...

[eager basin]

this is why shit was pruned tbh

[vale pine]

huh why

its basically

/cast shadow blades
/cast dance
/use trinekts/racial

the secret is on top

mostly because you want to not waste gcd's

[plucky moon]

Why sooo many ppl use this trink from nexus king now guys? Is it best for us or what?

[vale pine]

you can further reduce your button count

with that

you sucessfully

made your aoe rotation 2 buttons

[alpine wraith]

i still find it so funny

[alpine wraith]

it just gives haste so helps getting closer to 30-35%

that you want for st

[plucky moon]

But i am widout any buff aroud 30-32%

So thats not that good for me no?

[alpine wraith]

then that is fine tbh who knows

if you already have screams and ticking sac you could use those

[plucky moon]

Scream i have and i can buy that trink from streets

If thats bis

Ik its just prepatch but i just like minimaxing cuz im a bit crazy thats all 😄

[alpine wraith]

dont worry i also had a spare dinar

so i bough sac

already had dimmy ring

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah, 33% haste with sac and screams

[alpine wraith]

and araz to

just needed to change tier set to shoulders

and craft helmet+wrist

[fallow nimbus]

I could go more haste with haste gems

[alpine wraith]

im using mastery-haste gems

getting dance to almost 9 or a bit more if fine mostly

[plucky moon]

These are my raid stats

[alpine wraith]

afterwards more damage

[fallow nimbus]

Vers+mastery with 1 of the other colors for gem

[plucky moon]

Looking fine i gues

[fallow nimbus]

I have less mastery but more vers

[plucky moon]

Ye i wana do that also

Will need to check some stuff in my gear

[fallow nimbus]

I also have a 15-20% haste setup with a load of mastery/vers

[alpine wraith]

funnily enough

[fallow nimbus]

Didn't check stats after prepatch because ui had prior

[alpine wraith]

for some reason mastery is more % after the squish

on my mastery stack gear

i have almost 220%

before it was lower

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah, i had like 39% haste after squish

I took fuus bis list from wowhead with the items i had on hand

[reef walrus]

I'm pretty sure the changed stat scaling caused us to just have a bit more of everything. I made a haste set before prepatch and had around 40%

[cursive tundra]

where could i find sub/outlaw talent builds for midnight beta?

[reef walrus]

then prepatch hit and I suddenly could get up to 56%

[short radish]

[cursive tundra]

faq it is ty

[short radish]

[cursive tundra]

outlaw has builds for midnight

sub only has builds for prepatch

[short radish]

isn't it just same shit + the apex talents or something?

[cursive tundra]

you get 10 more talent points, which might change the pathing, idk, I'm clearly not a theorycrafter

i'm dumb for that

[fallow nimbus]

Isn't it 4 3 3?

Or 3 3 4?

[cursive tundra]

yes, that's 10

according to my maths at least

[tribal blade]

haha fair enough!

[tribal blade]

pretty much yeah

i think a big thing is sub has certain combos of key presses between builders and finishers

builder>finisher

builder>builder

finisher>finisher

right now we're missing 1/3rd of that from finisher>finisher

obv it's not that much to make sub feel a bit more complete, but it's something

i wish playing around DM was a thing, that introduced some variety to the rotation

[vale pine]

beta is basically just add apex and remaining hero talents

XD

just saying

i mentioned this to a freind, let me find it

there it is

the gate moves in midnight, or at least did when i tested

[wheat cloak]

is there no point in backstabbing for danse anymore?

[vale pine]

so you essentially get the same dps talent options in the class tree, just later

[vale pine]

no

[tribal blade]

not worth

[vale pine]

neither backstab nor shuriken storm is worth it

[tribal blade]

i wish storm was

[wheat cloak]

oh wow

so we really are a 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 spec now

[tribal blade]

i feel like they could introduce a 45 second cd to sub

[dark minnow]

smoooooooth brain we are now bm hunters

[vestal escarp]

Builder button finisher button and cds yeah

[vale pine]

i could make an argument for it

but i don't think its a good one

[tribal blade]

oo hit me

[vale pine]

storm crit is guaranteed, so it might be slightly more consistent to storm

[wheat cloak]

hopefully the apex talents add something good

something around optimising for shadow clone damage

[vale pine]

but you trade off damage by doing so

ofc all depends on talent choices

[lusty epoch]

anyone know if authority of the depths is bugged in raidbots? it sims highest but on wowhead it says stat enchants are better

[vale pine]

on single target or aoe?

[lusty epoch]

single target

2 min patchwerk

[vale pine]

authority of depth did start simming better after the updates

so its better

[lusty epoch]

okok ty!

[vale pine]

i need to update that on wowhead

radiant power sims now best in aoe

[torn tide]

casual 105% mastery

[vale pine]

i finished the sims on subtlety in

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vale pine]

need to do outlaw/sin now

tho i will update wowhead enchants/etc quickly before

[cursive tundra]

can you guys recraft?

or nobody is allowed to

also, can someone donate some haste to me

this is what I managed to scrape together

[red vortex]

thats more than enough

33-35

[cursive tundra]

i guess mana oil can take me to 35%

[red vortex]

i am rockign 14%

don't get me started

[cursive tundra]

eyyyyyy mana oil to the rescue

okay, 35% done

i am thankful for my haste versa rings that I built for outlaw

cause i cannot recraft anything it seems

[lilac stag]

Drop prism imo

[cursive tundra]

for what

[lilac stag]

Nothing lives long enough

Lilly if you want an on use

[tribal blade]

prism pretty bad for sub in ST now

[cursive tundra]

i might not care about ST

[tribal blade]

we don't do nuclear cd dmg anymore

[cursive tundra]

i am m+ guy

[visual plaza]

can any check my problem in sin tab plz

[lilac stag]

Lily is good in m+

[tribal blade]

i would rather run lily tbh

no chance of losing stacks

[cursive tundra]

i have Sigil, Araz, Prism, Antenna and Pacemaker in myth 8/8

lily I only have in hc track

could run sigil i guess?

[tribal blade]

prism should be good in keys

i haven't simmed it yet

[alpine wraith]

prism is good in dimensius

[cursive tundra]

sims work in prepatch?

[alpine wraith]

in nexus king you dont even have time to stack it

[vale pine]

prism did sim bis, but now that they fixed some other trinkets it seems it gets slighly behind other options

[vale pine]

yes

[flint umbra]

Is sub fun right now?

[vale pine]

!sheet has sims for trinkets

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fallow nimbus]

Glad i made a 2nd dagger with focusing lens

[vale pine]

fun is diffrent for everyone, best is to just try

[flint umbra]

Do they do tank damage outside of cds?

[lilac stag]

Fun is up to the individual

[alpine wraith]

we are mid pack

just dont try and compare to uh dk

[cursive tundra]

yes, but you are never outside of cds

[red vortex]

got nerfed anyway

[cursive tundra]

i feel like not much has changed

we are still okay

[flint umbra]

Ohhh really?

[cursive tundra]

i am strictly talking about keys

[flint umbra]

What’s the time on the cds? Last time I played they had it at 90 seconds

[cursive tundra]

no idea in raid

[lilac stag]

SV, Devourer were the only 2 consistently ahead of me last night

[cursive tundra]

SD has like 20s recharge now, with 35% haste and first dance, mine lasts for 13 sec

[flint umbra]

Hmm, they didn’t remove a bunch of abilities?

[lilac stag]

3?

There’s a #subtlety-faq

Maybe look at that

[flint umbra]

Ok ty

[elfin sequoia]

hi everyone
is there any option to have combo points on target nameplate without addons right now?
I'm trying pure wow in prepatch but the best i managed was to show them at static location of my choosing instead of target nameplate.

[red vortex]

iirc no

[flint umbra]

One last thing though, I saw someone say sub feels a lot more thematically cool now, did they give them cool shadowy vfx or something?

Still basically 0 vfx?

[lilac stag]

just purple farts

[flint umbra]

Dang

Does the apex talent not look cool? The clone thing

[elfin sequoia]

that's a shame about those CP.
I got really used to seeing it this way over the years

[lilac stag]

Outlaw got the noticeable gfx update

[flint umbra]

Yeah I saw something about outlaw being totally different now, I’ll have to check it out

[vale pine]

it looks nice

if you see it

XD

it is very easy to miss

[tribal blade]

@vale pine looks like both depths and radiant power are simming better for me on both sub and outlaw yeah

jsut gonna go x2 radiant power

[keen dome]

Neat

I guess it makes sense. Damage proc gonna be doing work

[vale pine]

ye this

also try

this

it seems like mana oil is rly good now

[lilac stag]

This is 2x depths. 2:20 kill

[tribal blade]

jesus

[lilac stag]

had to run mechanics out 3x

[tribal blade]

i'm gonna run radiant power because it'll be better in any cleave/aoe situation

[lilac stag]

That doesn’t exist in raid

[tribal blade]

M+ brain 😉

[lilac stag]

Ye

[limber sand]

what poisons u guys using?

[lilac stag]

Soul Hunters

So not awful, not sure if radiant would have done that much better

[tribal blade]

the main thing is radiant power gives main stat

[lilac stag]

Did you do 5 min sim or 2-3?

[tribal blade]

uhh 5 min i think

[lilac stag]

We had 1:30 kills with rats. Just not sure at actually getting the proc

[keen dome]

only 19 main stat though. So not huge.

But still, radiant seems nice

[tribal blade]

i'll see how much it does in dslice

[haughty mural]

Oh we are back to depths and radiant power ?

[keen dome]

ye 'cos damage good

raw stats kinda less good

[lilac stag]

Fract was 1:37 lol

[keen dome]

owns

[lilac stag]

Thank you Lily

[keen dome]

I assume on Myth

[lilac stag]

ye

[keen dome]

Faster than my heroic pug kills yesterday

oh wait no, fract was faster on heroic lmao

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468124640091439105/1463996827442483365/2768BE8D-AA12-4DD7-8600-86B04F2C50E5.png?ex=6973dccb&is=69728b4b&hm=e991eccfec330f2f0ed014be154a354232fa01a7d8e30fd69d0c23bc32660e82& first six boses

Just a random pug. Not even good damage

i'm gonna try to do a Mythic pug this weekend since it's so easy

[lilac stag]

Couldn’t beat the devourer. Beat one of the boomstickers & the UH

[keen dome]

Nice

[tribal blade]

my dslice sim prefers running hero lily over myth prism

interesting

[lilac stag]

mastery is good still

[tribal blade]

and my sim still wants me to run high haste over more mast

in dslice

like 30% haste

interesting

[keen dome]

Yeah, with Lily I hit 130% mastery which is pretty nice

[lilac stag]

being in dance longer is good

[keen dome]

I have 18% Haste and I want more

[lilac stag]

TFD + 35% haste.

[tribal blade]

i'm not surprised haste is good in aoe

yeah more dance

more unga bunga

[lilac stag]

Even with a more simple setup, folks will struggle with the cd timings and fitting global in dance

[red vortex]

isnt haste bad on AoE?

[tribal blade]

supposed to want lower haste on aoe but my sim said it wanted it

[lilac stag]

Nothing is bad. You want balance in m+ imo. It’s not all aoe 24/7

Remember sub was ST destroyer in s3.

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

You can do some long dance chains with a good amount of haste.

Numerically better? Guess it depends on what your group odds killing and how quickly

Haste Vers/Crit makes outlaw swapping easier as well

[red vortex]

arent sims like, not optimised

[tribal blade]

yeah, but it's also how the TCs figured out the stat weights

[red vortex]

that is true

[tribal blade]

i wouldn't worry too much about stats, we're in "fake" content atm

[red vortex]

rtue

but also get 35% haste

[keen dome]

"Silly mode" content.

[weary tree]

Lol tried Arcui, brok the entire add-on apparently. Groups broken, can't repair and cant delete them

Just can't do anything 🤷

[tribal blade]

looks like my dslice sim wants me to have high haste and drop vers for mast

[tribal blade]

yeah i've decided to use mostly base UI

i'm only using sensei resource addon atm

[keen dome]

High5

[weary tree]

I just wanted a glow on my icons man 🙁

[keen dome]

One thing I really like about Sensei is it's the same spot for all my characters.

[tribal blade]

double win of not dealing with addons and my computer takes a lighter load

[keen dome]

So I can just unify it all

[tribal blade]

AND less chance of dealing with broken shit

[haughty mural]

Lily prism ?

[lilac stag]

Lily Warpedclaw

[tribal blade]

you can kinda do that with base UI

[weary tree]

Can you?

[keen dome]

I'm running Lily Moth because I like the little moth on my head.

[weary tree]

How can you make a glow when like Dance is active?

[lilac stag]

I’ll prob buy dimmy trinket

[weary tree]

That's what I want

[tribal blade]

if you right click on essential spells in the spell manager

there's visual and audio alerts

[haughty mural]

Prism deadge ?

[tribal blade]

but it's nowhere near the same kind of customization as WAs were

[lilac stag]

I think so, at least in raid except dimmy

[weary tree]

I just want a small glow

nothing more

Just knowing i pressed it and its active

[tribal blade]

like you can do that

[tribal blade]

ahh i see

[lilac stag]

AFAIK you can’t glow active on dance. It’s turn the active overlay on or off

You can do ready state, not active state

[tribal blade]

only available and on cd i'm afraid

[lilac stag]

So I just made dance a buff icon

[tribal blade]

i'm gonna stick with default as well because it's obv gonna get better from here on out

[lilac stag]

The CDs and buff are limited in different ways.

[plucky parrot]

I just wish there was a way make an inactive buff glow

[lilac stag]

ie no sound for rtb

[tribal blade]

good thing about sub now i guess is you don't have much to track lol

[plucky parrot]

not sub specific but just in general

[keen dome]

Yeah. I'm really happy with my UI

[tribal blade]

the biggest issue i have is not having a sound for RTB running out

[keen dome]

That's it, that's the UI

[tribal blade]

that's the 1 thing i want

[plucky parrot]

yea a sound

or a glow

as a buff drops would be nice

[keen dome]

They're going to let you use audio cues eventually so hopefully soon

[tribal blade]

they don't have sounds or visual alerts for buffs for some reason

which sucks

[tribal blade]

i hope so yeah!

[plucky parrot]

I mostly notice it if I ever need to keep bladeflurry up without deft

rtb is another

[keen dome]

I really do think, overall with some caveats, this is good enough as a starting point

[tribal blade]

i put an audio cue on BF for when it's off cd

[keen dome]

PRD changes are baffling. Damage meter padding and lacking functionality that exists on beta is also baffling.

padding as in UI element padding and not damage padding.

[lilac stag]

My blind ass needs buff audio cues

[plucky parrot]

yeah I was thinking about that

but I don't always want to know that BF is off cd

[keen dome]

100% agreed, those really should've been in at get-go, even if they were simple noises.

[plucky parrot]

I'd rather just see that the buff isn't up

if I'm balancing between ST and AOE

[lilac stag]

Best UI hack is moving target cast bar off target in UUF. You can see a lot of the mechanics being cast

[keen dome]

Yeah

[plucky parrot]

with deft it's fine since bf generates anyways

[plucky parrot]

yea this

[keen dome]

I like their bossmod so far but I need to find a better place to put the timer bar

[tribal blade]

yeah fair

i just figure the audio cue will be enough to remind you to pay attention to BF

[red vortex]

u know what has been killing me

not having a poison reminder

[plucky parrot]

yea I'll play around with it more and see how

thankfully the current ui hasn't really been an issue for sub

[lilac stag]

EasyReminders

[red vortex]

yea

will download that today

saw elvui also came out with an update

[keen dome]

Where poison toggle to save us

[tribal blade]

holy target dummies lag batman

[vale pine]

rly want one now tbh

[placid elk]

tbh with all the crap addons coming out after they "nuked" them, weakauras could come back and make something

api looks pretty forgiving

i trust them more than every ai coded crap

[vale pine]

ark ui is kinda already half way there

well lets say 1/4 way

[placid elk]

is it made with human fingers typing ?

[lilac stag]

We’re going to get sloppy addons just like sloppy WAs

[vale pine]

i would assume it is

but you never know

[placid elk]

well with weakauras i got pack from someone for class stuff, edit it to my liking and made new ones if i wanted

i didnt just import 300 shit ones

[lilac stag]

You’re assuming they’re not shit, or you know they weren’t doing stupid excessive calls?

some of the favorite plater profiles called spell reflect for every class.

[placid elk]

i deleted 80% of triggers and conditions for luxthos wa for example, and never loaded half the auras

[lilac stag]

yeah and most aren’t doing that

[placid elk]

all i wanted from him was the customization and groups skeleton for easy adjusts of position

[lilac stag]

Meanwhile Blizzard Frames

[placid elk]

yeah... default UI is bad

[lilac stag]

In 4 days people will just go back to elvui

[placid elk]

dont even know if i can turn off debuffs and buffs from party/raid frames

i never need them as rogue

[lilac stag]

someone that likes to tinker will do individual addons

[tribal blade]

thank god we don't need good raid/party frames as rogues

[placid elk]

is elvui same bad performance fiesta ?

might think installing it

[lilac stag]

Who knows

[tribal blade]

all i know is it's become a meme in my guild

elvui breaks

and a 1/4 of the raid is floundering

unable to play

in my guild

[placid elk]

i played tww season 1 with default UI and it was better than this crap

felt way more fluid

same in DF s2

[lilac stag]

I’ll send Quazii money today and try his out

[red vortex]

ill just wait for Naowh

seems like he is almost done

[lilac stag]

he’s super on top of his shit

[placid elk]

can't wait to see RWF ui's

[red vortex]

minimum of 1 base ui rwf raider

surely

can't wait for the casuals to lose their mind seeing RWF ui's and think they are cheating cus of the "addon purge"

[lilac stag]

I can’t wait to see how far they push the known black box workarounds

[placid elk]

well its still a battle between devs and addon developers

[lilac stag]

and RWF pushes it further than anyone short of botters

[placid elk]

but now there's also AI

[chrome palm]

Every addon I try spams me with a trillion lua errors in combat

[lilac stag]

Only Uuf does that for me if I try to move something occasionally

[chrome palm]

Using that with better cdm

[chrome palm]

It’s the best that I’ve found but it’s still trying to ruin my life

[lilac stag]

sounds like worse cdm

[chrome palm]

Centered cdm was asking me to reload my ui every 2 minutes

Otherwise very solid

[lilac stag]

Arc was the most stable I found

Also masque seems to have some issues

If you’re running that

[chrome palm]

I tried arc but it is a disaster to set up I’ll have to give it another go

I haven’t used elvui in years

[lilac stag]

My gripe with arc is no center

[chrome palm]

But I’m about to just pay atrocity

So I can play the game

Yeah

No center is unforgivable

[lilac stag]

Look at Quazii

[chrome palm]

For me

[placid elk]

masque literally bricked my game, had to alt+f4 and delete it from addons folder

[chrome palm]

Bro it’s so bad

I had a great ui I loved it so much 😭

[placid elk]

same. shadowed unit frames was great

[chrome palm]

I just used weak auras and better blizz frames

I created a Zac/luxthos bastard child and I loved it

Now its gone forever…

[tulip light]

hi guys is there a point in tracking mark / darkest night? is there any interaction we play around?

[placid elk]

well i hope they enjoy having a lot of fkin casuals paying for their game because it's frustrating for older players

[chrome palm]

Yeah that’s the whole hero talent, you cast eviscerate to consume darkest night

[lilac stag]

https://quazii.com/

[tulip light]

yeah but i mean in terms of actively managing it

rotation wise

[chrome palm]

I’m extremely sus of quazii because I heard he borrowed from nephui

You just cast finishers to consume the mark

[tulip light]

i know how it works, but is there any benefit to actually seeing it on my cooldown manager

it doesnt change my rotation, does it?

[chrome palm]

In aoe it does

[lilac stag]

to know when to move mark

[chrome palm]

If you want to do prio damage

Regardless actually

If you want pro you bp until dn and then evis someone

If you want aoe you bp until dn then strike someone then go back to bp without consuming dn

So you need to know when dn is up for that

Also dn and mark are literally the only buffs you need to track besides shadow techniques which you probably can ignore on prepatch

[lilac stag]

I think the evis will be what most people will need

[chrome palm]

I was doing both depending on the pack

Sometimes it’s just exhausting in huge packs with no prio mob to keep moving the mark

And doing no aoe

[lilac stag]

when you weren’t reloading

[placid elk]

i'll make an UI where i don't track shit. im gonna vibe play

[chrome palm]

Do you need to track dance rn

The cd not the aura

[placid elk]

i can see it on my bars so no

gonna go full blizzcon pvp-er UI

[chrome palm]

Just see if the character is purple

As ion intended for us

[placid elk]

just press shadowstrike, if it works u are in dance, if not, u are not

[chrome palm]

[lilac stag]

Don’t be VE then.

[chrome palm]

That’s blue purple not purple big difference

[vale pine]

you could in theory

[lilac stag]

Not when you’re blind

[vale pine]

only track secret

tho it will be hard to know when blades is up, to use a 2nd charge of dance

[placid elk]

i hate so much secret cd is reduced by BL

[vale pine]

i don't mind that

but i think haste interaction with secret is in general not fun

[chrome palm]

If you get pi maybe you can 2nd secret in dance with tfd

[placid elk]

im gonna go make my own mmo brb

[tulip light]

i want to track stuff just to feel something 🙁

[vale pine]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[placid elk]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-how-hard-can-it-be-botswana-special-gif-21741438

[chrome palm]

Just put kick and step on your cdm

Or do what I do

Press n - change specialization

[quasi junco]

guys, if rotationaly nothing will be changed, how hard is our spec to play in midnight? like easy going?

[chrome palm]

If nothing is changed then it would be the same as now

But apex probably changes some things

Like maybe pooling sht or hero talent stuff

[lilac stag]

It’s a vibe for people that have played sub in TWW. Non sub players will still need to sort out how it works. There’s less overall to worry about fucking up.

[sacred gull]

I hope it will get a bit more complex in the future seasons, but I understand they had to simplify with the loss of WAs

[chrome palm]

you didnt really need to track that much as sub actually

[sacred gull]

True but they don't know it

[lilac stag]

The spec is the same at its core. They just got rid of the krangled repetitive CDs.

[chrome palm]

its a matter of opinion but its fundamentally different imo

like the main gameplay of sub was always decision making around cds which doesnt exist anymore

[sacred gull]

The backstab thing during dance was cool trick

[chrome palm]

that could come back at some point

[sacred gull]

But otherwise venthir and symbols don't really matter

[lilac stag]

You’ll have to decide on do I send CDs before sblades or not. You’re just not dealing with shit overlaps

[chrome palm]

if they fix some of the bugs with danse and then buff it to compensate, maybe youll do it again

[lilac stag]

It’s the same at its core

[chrome palm]

i mean its still a rogue sure

[sacred gull]

Rupture was nice also

[chrome palm]

ye i liked rupture too wouldve been nice to have nightblade or something tho

[sacred gull]

Now my A button is empty, I don't know what to put on it 🤷‍♂️

[lilac stag]

Cancelaura Sectech macro

[sacred gull]

For what ?

[keen dome]

I have a space where rupture went and I don't know what to put there, too.

Ancient Arts once we have Apex, iirc?

[short radish]

detection

[sacred gull]

Ancient arts is an active spell ?

[lilac stag]

You can always try the other specs or other classes if Sub is too dumb now.

[keen dome]

I recall it being an aura or something and we want to do.. something.

I'm not sure.

[keen dome]

give us a button that spawns a clone

[lilac stag]

Goremaw

[short radish]

goremaws clone

[wispy pebble]

I dont think i agree with that haha

[short radish]

nah old sub had the illusion of lots to track

but everything kinda played like clockwerk

[keen dome]

[lilac stag]

TWW sub sent an overwhelming amount of info for you to learn to basically Sectech in dance with supercharger.

checks prepatch…

[keen dome]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

yep still sub

[keen dome]

Convuluted and complex, with a lot of confusing moving parts and weird rules.

[chrome palm]

outside of your cds, it was tfd, eb, ff, fazed, and fw. they did a good job not making you track ff, fazed, and fw, but now you cant track tfd :(

[azure thicket]

put cheap shot on your bars

[keen dome]

We still have the core gameplay of strike dance sectec evis blades backstab soup

[azure thicket]

rupture come back but not really :'c

[lilac stag]

Can’t track buffs isn’t just a sub issues. That’s a gameplay issue on Blizzard.

If it’s in the upper right hand corner of my screen I should be able to track it in cdm

[wispy pebble]

Rupture, Shadow tech, stacks for coup

[chrome palm]

yeah sht too

forgor

i put eb there

not having eb change its icon to coup is infuriating

i hate the cdm man

[wispy pebble]

It worked before pre patch no? its just super buggy atm

[azure thicket]

tww sub felt well designed compared to the old shadowdust 7 target bp sub rogue

[keen dome]

Well, S1 Sub didn't.

[graceful osprey]

Backstab should just be gloomblade

[keen dome]

S2 sub felt better. S3 sub felt great and we had Netherprism.

[wispy pebble]

Also im pretty sure evis Essential cooldown was glowing when it transformed to Coup. Also not working anymore

[chrome palm]

i think backstab should just be sinister strike and make backstab an out of dance proc or something

[keen dome]

But don't forget how much impact the set bonus in S3 had to the feel of the spec too

[wispy pebble]

Been saying that for years

[azure thicket]

ye wasn't there for s1 except for a random rookery key and i was sending shuri storm in cds

[chrome palm]

make backstab something like old perf veins

[sick epoch]

is impossible to put Shadow Technique and eviscerate in the same macro, right?

[lilac stag]

Dust would work much better today than it did in s1

[keen dome]

But also 100% gloomblade should be our baseline. Make Backstab a cooldown for pvp

[wispy pebble]

ST is a passive?

[signal kettle]

Anyone having UI issues? My buff icons don't seem to exist even though I have them set up

[sacred gull]

For me it's not glowing but it shows the Coup icon instead of evis

[sick epoch]

lol sorry, secret techinque*****

[azure thicket]

but as soon as you figured that out you could proceed to doing dps

[chrome palm]

this doesnt show eb

its just a plain evis icon

and then a separate eb tracker

that does not turn into coup for some reason

outlaw also should have gravedigger change to a bte icon or something

at 6+

[wispy pebble]

You probably can but i dont think you really want to

[chrome palm]

staring at numbers on an icon is annoying

[wispy pebble]

My evis essential icon transforms to coup. But the buff tracker is mega messy

[sick epoch]

just tto avoid tracking it

[chrome palm]

yeah thats what im saying

theyre both tracking the same thing just showing it differently

peak blizz design

[wispy pebble]

I sometimes have it show coup but then its kinda stuck there. Its infuriating af

[lilac stag]

You’re playing around secret and dance. You need to track it

[wispy pebble]

Sectec is probably the most important cd to track atm

[keen dome]

I'm just tracking SecTec, Dance and Blades. I also have ST tracked to see stack sof combies, and blades/coup's icon at eyeline and it seems fine

But everything really revolves around SecTec so it's fine

[lilac stag]

Otherwise YOLO one button rotation and call it a day

[sacred gull]

I tried to put some sound alerts but blizz CD manager wouldn't let me do what really matters

[swift tinsel]

They don’t want you to have useful alerts

[sick epoch]

okay 🙂 I'm new to it and I started to avoid One button today

[wispy pebble]

Btw moving from "haste is kinda useless" to "haste is mega op" with gear that doesnt has haste is soooooooo shit

[keen dome]

making all my sound alerts a fart noise

[lilac stag]

Start here mate. #subtlety-faq

[swift tinsel]

A man of culture o see

Lmao

[keen dome]

If they let me use ANY sound

I'd just use my Purrkin's sounds

Since he has different beeps and meows when clicked on

[swift tinsel]

Aweee

[keen dome]

Shadow Dance? Purring.

[wispy pebble]

My blizzard dbm alerts arent working. I dont get any sound when i get a mechanic

[swift tinsel]

They’re broken atm

[sacred gull]

Same with big wigs

[swift tinsel]

Blizz messed up

[wispy pebble]

How the fuck do you break sound alerts

[swift tinsel]

And didn’t add encounter hooks or something like that Idr

[sacred gull]

I tried to use timeline of blizz and sounds of big wigs but something is off

[wispy pebble]

How the fuck do they not notice that

[swift tinsel]

Lemme see if I can find the tweet

https://x.com/deadlybossmods/status/2013830572930396297?s=20

⏱Deadly Boss Mods™⏱ (@deadlybossmods)

So doing some testing in prepatch
1. blizzard forgot ENCOUNTER_WARNING api exists on tww content too (just like they forgot it existed for midnight raid testing. so no built in or addon boss warnings at all
2. they only added timers to some bosses, not all. some bosses have

X · Jan 21, 2026, 4:26 AM

Lmao

Ope

[wispy pebble]

amazing

[azure thicket]

multi discipline developer meme

[wispy pebble]

pretty sure 80% of the new shit is vibecoded. Cant explain it any other way

[lilac stag]

@sick epoch If you have questions let us know. We’re happy to help

[azure thicket]

they should just hire some of the turtle wow devs tbh

[wispy pebble]

Hey copilot please create a dbm clone and dont forget anything!

[azure thicket]

probably slot right in to the current direction and make the game go brrr

[graceful osprey]

I really think, if blizzard wants to make things simpler and focus on fun, scrap our current talents, have a major talent choices at each threshold and then maybe 3 or 4 minor talents in between. Many things that they made talents should be back to baseline like blind and gouge, etc

[keen dome]

Yeah, back to MoP

[vale pine]

i have good news for you

you can reduce your button count even further with this one trick

macroing coup to bp

[sacred gull]

You can cast coup as coup and not as evi ?

[grand wyvern]

yes

[lilac stag]

Yes

[sacred gull]

Why did you tell me this ?

[swift tinsel]

Will that mess up my @mouseover Coup macro since clever combatant is still random

[lilac stag]

I haven’t messed with trickster yet. Assumed this was possible

[sacred gull]

Now I don't need to track anything

[scarlet heath]

plus you dont have to deal with DS BS

[swift tinsel]

DS is even easier in aoe since you never cast evisc

[grand wyvern]

i feel like sub mechanics are there but the tuning is such that you can basically ignore everything

[chrome palm]

need evis for snd 🐀

[swift tinsel]

That’s my G key sir

[lilac stag]

Put SnD on A keybind

[keen dome]

I still have S&D on my bars 'cos I like pushing it between packs

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[sacred gull]

Maybe you want to be able to hold coup in aoe if yoi want to keep it for next dance/blade ?

[lilac stag]

solves the rupture issue

[vale pine]

no need for one button if you are already down to:

• Builder:
  • Macro Strike/Backstab (Button 1)
  • Shuriken Storm (Button 2)
• Finisher:
  • Secret (optional)
  • Evis (Button 3)
  • Black Powder + Coup (Button 4)
• Cooldowns:
  • Macro Shadow Dance + Blades + (optional) Secret (Button 5)
    A total of 5 buttons, 6 if you use secret on a separate key.

[swift tinsel]

Took its rightful place on flag’s bind

Which was SnD before flag existed

[scarlet heath]

You will get macros nerfed again!

[lilac stag]

That is considerably more buttons than 1

[vale pine]

let me make it more extreme even

you can use modifiers in macros

so you can

[keen dome]

No need to macro Strike / Backstab since it auto swaps

[sacred gull]

You never want to hold coup in aoe ? If dance and/or blade is close from off CD ?

[vale pine]

By using modifiers we can change it to:

• Builder:
  • Macro Strike/Backstab - Modifier: Shuriken Storm (Button 1)
• Finisher:
  • Secret (optional)
  • Macro Evis - Modifier: Coup + BP (Button 2)
• Cooldowns:
  • Macro Shadow Dance + Blades + (optional) Secret (Button 3)
    A total of 3 buttons, 4 if you use secret on a separate key.

[keen dome]

Ahaha, very nice

[vestal escarp]

All the more reason to trust the one button

[vale pine]

one button has the gcd problem

[lilac stag]

Using a modifier does not reduce buttons needed

[vale pine]

it does

[vestal escarp]

Which is a nonproblem for the target users

[vale pine]

i can use 3 buttons on my bars

[grand wyvern]

still need only 3 depending on if its aoe or not

[vale pine]

and thats it

ofc i need to press the modifier too, so i get +1 button

[lilac stag]

Press builder without adding crt-shift-alt

[vale pine]

but even then

it reduces the button count

because you go from, lets say:

• 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
  to
• 1, 2, 3, modifier

which is 4 instead of 5 buttons

so a 20% reduction

[grand wyvern]

this is too hard, make modifiers toggable

[sacred gull]

I will do the BP + coup macro but with a shadow dance condition for coup, just to be able to delay coup if I see dance coming soon

[mighty citrus]

have never thought i would say this, but my button 3 is so empty. so lonely

[jolly sleet]

i have all modifiers on mouse and use 1/2/3 too

[wispy pebble]

i reorganized my action bars because i had to many of the easy buttons free now with rupture symbols and flag gone

rebound my shadow dance in the process and now i need to retrain my muscle memory

[vale pine]

wdym button 1-3 is for rotational keys ^^

[jolly sleet]

macros typically look like :

/cast [mod:alt] Blind; [mod] Kidney shot; [nocombat, stealth] Sap; [stealth] Cheap shot; Kick```

[vale pine]

Btw. this is funny, because it means you can fit the subtlety rotation on a game pad

[scarlet heath]

1 = builder/filler/spam spell generator
2 = proc base spell/secondary generator
3 = single target spender
4 = AoE spell

this is how I treat every class I play

[jolly sleet]

[mod:alt] being first quoted has highest priority [mod] following means [mod:shift][mod:ctrl] with way less characters

in case of emergency open the spellbook

[scarlet heath]

PS5 WoW confirmed

[jolly sleet]

i've not tried gamepad yet for midnight but might give it a go lol

[fallow nimbus]

Wait, bs and strike swap now?

[vale pine]

give me a minute i login and check

[azure thicket]

have had two people mention wow on a steam deck

and it's a pretty neat experience tbh

[vale pine]

i actually want to test wow on steam and freebsd

direct x 12 is sometomes wonky for me

[fallow nimbus]

Good that i have no raid this week, my to do list gets longer everytime i open discord

[vale pine]

so i wonder if dxvk works more reliable

[azure thicket]

ye one was playing dk the other was on a demon hunter afair

[vale pine]

backstab and strike does indeed not switch

still the same as before

[fallow nimbus]

Thought so

[vale pine]

stealth-strike

but ill try with dance

nope

[fallow nimbus]

Someday

[azure thicket]

oh right dxvk is a linux thing

[idle quest]

Just a couple of questions:

• So Vanish is no longer in the rotation?

I tried this macro, but it doesn't seem to work. Usadona has no effect. Where could I be going wrong?
#showtooltip
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[vale pine]

it works basically like this

there is no direct x 11/12 on linux

so there is a translation layer in between, which maps the direkt x calls to vulkan

[jolly sleet]

this macro doesn't seem to have any issue 🤔

[mighty citrus]

i just hope you guys dont come up with please backstab in dance when the moon has a full circle and the boss is not looking at you

[vale pine]

thats done with other system calls too, the program that does all of this is called wine

[wispy pebble]

Ive been using vanish after second dance in opener. Should give you premed

[vale pine]

and a part of wine is dxvk, which is the one specificallly for direct x 12 -> vulkan

if wine does not ring a bell

steam renamed their version of it to proton

its still very much the same thing tho^^

[azure thicket]

seen proton sitting in my library next to the sdk i use for hobby work ye lol

[sand furnace]

Does the backstab and shadow strike macro require conditions to work?

[swift tinsel]

has anyone run into issues with platynator turning all text black

[shadow lance]

Hey Fuu, I did import your bcdm profile and modified a bit but I got this kind of issue each time I log on or swap spec

Someone else got this kind of issue? everything stacking up

[azure thicket]

for me personally it's the blizzard dps meter header not being the same size as the header for the default m+ timer/quest tracker thing

[vale pine]

i haven't had problems yet

[shadow lance]

It goes back to normal once I open the buffs tracking option

[vale pine]

i have not have issues so far, even tho i need to setup my profile for the other specs

[wispy pebble]

Is that bcdm? I think you have to move the bars once. Saw something in the faq. Also there is a bug with icons moving that will be fixed in next release

[shadow lance]

In editmode? Already did but I can give a shot again

[wispy pebble]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wSLM5_NkN0

[vale pine]

outlaw

i mean, i rly need to setup all 3 specs

i just haven't played the other 2 on live

[shadow lance]

Yes, I agree

[vale pine]

oh i see

[shadow lance]

Cuz it was messy when I swap specs

ahaha

But I liked the color you used for energy/CP

[shadow lance]

Checkingit

[vale pine]

i think the author fixed a bug

thats why it jumps

XD

[harsh meadow]

refuse to play outlaw

[vale pine]

i palyed all 3 on beta

just didn't on live

okay, my cdm is fucked now too

[shadow lance]

Indeed

[vale pine]

time to configure it again

[shadow lance]

It follows the edit mode

Once you open /cdm

It goes back as saved

[vale pine]

hmm interessting

it is fucked for me now

haha

my bars

what is this

[shadow lance]

Open the tab essential

Should go back to normal

If it goes like mine

[tulip light]

is it acceptable to start a dance with stech as a first global if the cds come up while being at 6+ cp?

[velvet ravine]

anyone figured out how to get combo points on nameplates yet?

[shadow lance]

Yes

[lilac stag]

Platynator

[fleet acorn]

Plater

[velvet ravine]

ok ty

[lilac stag]

Nator is easier to use and does it better imo

[swift tinsel]

btw if you sort party by role you can use

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/tar party1
/cast Tricks of the Trade
/cleartarget

to always tricks your tank

in place of the tricks WA

[shadow lance]

How you sort it ?

[swift tinsel]

edit mode

[earnest rune]

you might be able to use /cast [@party1] Tricks of the Trade to simplify that

[swift tinsel]

that wasn't working when I tried

[earnest rune]

meh. You know, it would make sense that blizz is never consistent about anything.

[shadow lance]

Was looking in options and not editmode, fuck me

[earnest rune]

hell, they should just give us @tank and @healer aliases

[swift tinsel]

actually now for some reason that does work lmao

idk if I had something weird before

but ye sorting by role then having /cast [@party1] works

[earnest rune]

that's a good idea. I've been using stupid @focus macros for years but that makes kicking focus targets a pain

[swift tinsel]

yeah I wanted to find a workaround that didn't use focus for the same reason

[earnest rune]

well.. the workaround I adopted was just talent out of tricks 😉

[tulip light]

do we know why they keep slice as a seperate button to press? its up 100% of the time passively and they are all into pruning

[tribal blade]

there are misdirect addons, i haven't checked if the one i use still works

[swift tinsel]

there are niche uses

cut to the chase is more so QoL

but could be pruned idc

[alpine wraith]

in between pulls or places you might want to slice and dice

as you will strike or storm from stealth anyway

for full cp

[shadow lance]

Mine are borken

[tribal blade]

damn, mine prob are too then

[alpine wraith]

could happen that they bork yea

every time i log on something hides or moves around

think i finally fixed it yday

but im not sure

[crystal bone]

i finally finished it last night boys

oh no u caught me in sin

[solemn lance]

With the dark moon sigil adjustment there is no reason to use crafted offhand if you have a mythic right. Just drop lens on wrists and neck?

[vale pine]

you can pmuch stick with whatever you had before

[cold sequoia]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[finite crow]

does recrafting work now?

[vale pine]

i haven't tested

[bleak panther]

With SnD, is there not a time where BP finisher is better than evis; thus sometimes you won't refresh?

even with DN

[radiant swift]

it does

it does give ocassionaly a error - then u jsut try a bit later and it usualy works then

[finite crow]

aight thanks

[vale pine]

you would ignore the capstone

on deathstalker that is

on trickster you use coup

[bleak panther]

yeah; that means snd could potentially drop no?

[vale pine]

yes

[bleak panther]

ok, just making sure I wasn't missing something

[lilac stag]

Time to track snd on the buff bar

[bleak panther]

I imagine its best to just ignore it and follow the prio

[lilac stag]

ignore what?

[bleak panther]

tracking snd

[swift tinsel]

ye no need to track

[lilac stag]

you’re only ignoring the evicerate in mass aoe. You’re still using it to move mark if needed. play around it how you want to.

[latent plover]

I know for ST we're not really going for mastery, but how much of a difference in dps we expecting in the prepatch in M+ if we run with ST stats?

[vale pine]

you don't want that much haste

so you lose quite a bit

like 12-15% of haste mroe

[lilac stag]

Dslice disagreed

[vale pine]

wdym scath

[lilac stag]

It kept me and prophet high haste

[vale pine]

oh ye

the profile has ~20%

iirc

[latent plover]

what about like mastery vs vers?

or are we wanting them around the same?

for M+ stats?

[vale pine]

the diffrence is probably not that big

[lilac stag]

the real answer

It doesn’t matter

[woeful wren]

the real question is are we gna need to use puzzle box

[lilac stag]

Prepatch.

[woeful wren]

cos i fkn hate that trinket

[hazy breach]

Unlikely

Its a 2 minute trinket

[woeful wren]

thank god

[lilac stag]

2x on use.

[harsh meadow]

Forgot all about that trinket

[harsh meadow]

Not sure if I have enough keybinds to have two on use trinkets /s

[tribal blade]

my sim wanted me to sit at ~30% haste

and then after that wanted to convert vers into mast

[crystal bone]

sin using puzzle box for SURE

[tribal blade]

can't remember how much crit i have, just under 40% i think

[ripe flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1232770176571805697/puzzlebox.gif

[frigid light]

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[remote blaze]

i havent logged onto wow in a while. did the prepatch simplify the classes, or is that in the future

[azure thicket]

ye sending damage is simplified for pretty much every class

less prep work

[remote blaze]

heard. so im bouta be bp spamming like i was in dragonflight xdd

[azure thicket]

ye, less clicking overall less actions per minute

[pure dust]

has sub retained their bursty profile?

[azure thicket]

feels like gear affects felt gameplay more

[dry plank]

nope

[hazy breach]

I mean its still bursty

[azure thicket]

before you lost haste and did more quad damage

[hazy breach]

Just not as much

[dry plank]

not same lvl burst as it was

[azure thicket]

and now you want haste to actually do quad damage

[hazy breach]

Prepatch is just silly

[pure dust]

yeah i figured as much

[hazy breach]

Theyve toned down all burst fwiw

Not just sub

[upbeat smelt]

Good morning ppls. New to sub here, rogue too really, gonna main one for the first time in midnight.

Love using swords as sub, really cool.

[pure dust]

ah that makes sense, I saw some of the patch notes. Looks like not just burst, but also aoe for every class is taking a hit

[hazy breach]

Moreso passive cleave than aoe

[upbeat smelt]

Question besides the obvious shadow dance, anything in the spec I should be tracking duration off? Im going to play trickster

[azure thicket]

honestly the recorded 21 run zac did of priory was more interesting than the method run where a dk and sham slammed out 70-60m and got to third boss trash pulls with 11 minutes left

not a lot of people can put out that much damage..statistical anomalies and all that

[lilac stag]

seems fine to me

[upbeat smelt]

Also another question, how do you fit two shadow dances into one shadow blades, Im looking at duration and CDs and not getting it.

[hazy breach]

Dance is at minimum 6 seconds, blades is 16

6x2 < 16

[azure thicket]

get at least 20% haste tbh

drop the deathbound spaulders etc

[pure dust]

damn not bad at all haha

[lilac stag]

slightly longer fight

[upbeat smelt]

Oh dang Im dumb, SD has a 20 sec CD but two charges... Thanks...

[placid elk]

[harsh meadow]

Loser DPS lol idk why that made me laugh so hard

[spiral sierra]

its wrong right?

[placid elk]

its a video about simplicity and overprunning

too simple = no fun at least for me

[spiral sierra]

Ooof

idk im enjoying sub

[placid elk]

can't argue with that ppl enjoy what they enjoy

[spiral sierra]

mhmm

[azure thicket]

prior to getting netherprism sub felt good but also extra casts were going out

araz trinket helped but the gap between first and second best as far as trinkets goes was an actual gap

only had seaforium and lily and it felt doable but not pug proof

[placid elk]

seaforium + lilly was ok

[azure thicket]

ye wasn't throwing kidney shot either

[humble fractal]

Hey fellow OTP sub

[azure thicket]

was hella grief in retrospect

..if you wanted to be a nerd you'd give the perma casters like obliterators extra visual details to indicate they're worth targeting

or channel casts to indicate they're gonna start bolt spamming if they finish that cast

[maiden oar]

can i see it

i want to learn about the loser dps

[placid elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNGQKDfvVHQ

[maiden oar]

ty

im ready to AVOID the LOSERS

[placid elk]

lol, true

[sharp oriole]

How did u get pots and lockrock by ure hp bar ? Also the trinket

[lilac stag]

put an action bar there

Trinket you can add in ArcUI

[cursive vapor]

maybe we should just shut down this discord channel so blizz gonna do smth 100%

[brittle helm]

Are we still wanting to pool 2 shadow dances to be ready at the start of each shadowblades? Or less important now. Think the rotation guide I read just mentioned sending with shadow dance ready, but no mention of wanting or needing both

[lilac stag]

blizzard will do something when folks realize their intent was to simplify gameplay across the board.

neither is going to happen

[lilac stag]

You want dance to cover the entirety of sblades

[brittle helm]

Since we can usually fit two with enough haste, should the goal then be to put off sending a shadow dance until I know both can be used back to back in every sblade?

[lilac stag]

You can hold secret and auto attack for ~10 seconds to store combo points before blades

[brittle helm]

Thank you! I do also see now my specific point was mentioned in the sub faq—I just checked the pins here. Sorry there 🙂

[azure thicket]

the vibe in pre patch across all three specs is saving for big hits

[lilac stag]

The other vibe is “where are the buttons”

I’m enjoying the first vibe

[azure thicket]

don't deplete blade flurry

where's the two buff lebowski xd

[lilac stag]

They peed on the dude’s role

[azure thicket]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKqSQVyrp8Lc77tvPVEQxzrhcRZXQ_n2_amoT6swKNnQ&s=10

[earnest rune]

this one confuses the shit out of me... my bars are f#!@ing empty and it feels wrong.

[lilac stag]

the game changes. welcome to wow soon to be on Xbox

find some enjoyment or quit

very easy

[dawn stump]

is sub out-performing the other 2?

[earnest rune]

at the moment, yes

[azure thicket]

it can't stay like this or ppl are gonna melt but ye

[lilac stag]

it can

[azure thicket]

i'm telling if it does

[lilac stag]

Class discord melting vs the actual wow population are two very different things

[azure thicket]

sorry bad shadowlands npc farm joke

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/get-smart-maxwell-agent-86-gif-12923944

[azure thicket]

ye crossplay kinda griefed every other game it touched

they should get the same client but different leaderboards etc its too insane to reconcile for more than a season or two

[lilac stag]

I’ve blocked out everything SL

[lilac stag]

I think this is ultimately what they’d have to do, but kinda limits grouping so idk

[azure thicket]

crossplay with resil keys any day of the week tbh

[lilac stag]

I’m interested to see how raid and m+ numbers are for season 1

since for all intent & purposes TWW was a success.

I’m still worried about my vision and lack of audio cues on buffs/debuffs/ground dmg but we shall see. If it’s game over. It’s game over.

[warm marlin]

all intents and purposes

[lilac stag]

Voice Text did me no favors

[wet robin]

🦴 🍎

[vale pine]

i am not sure tww was a success

but rather "not a failure"

[lilac stag]

Their sub rate grew

And maintained

[plush roost]

Oral indents and porpoises

[lilac stag]

[plush roost]

Scath have u tried the ingame accessability audio features?

Forrest did a key with them all turned on in beta

And it was the most sound overload ever lmfak

[lilac stag]

Not yet

That’s on my todo list

[plush roost]

"Target on you""20rage"20%targethp"targe'""20%"tar- rage 4- tar-boss threat-20rage"

Amazing experience

[lilac stag]

Yea I did that in beta. Every cast

[azure thicket]

too busy playing sin

crimson tempest is actually goat

[lilac stag]

Didn’t try it on live yet

[plush roost]

Beta sin pretty chill ngl

[chrome palm]

🤖🔈: cry of em-arr-gee-el-gee-arr-gee-el
🤖🔈: cry of em-arr-gee-el-gee-arr-gee-el
🤖🔈: cry of em-arr-gee-el-gee-arr-gee-el

[alpine wraith]

aaaaaaAAAaAaaaAaAAaA

[chrome palm]

[plush roost]

🤖 🎙️ : JIGA-WALLOP

[chrome palm]

🤖 🔊 : WIND 🌪️ 🌪️ UP

[plush roost]

Forrest is actually going through it rn tho

He apparently relied on soundbites for every cast

[chrome palm]

The Forrest crashout will be good

[plush roost]

Did a 15 on beta with him and hes just like, what is that, wheres the hitbox in the spin, whats frontalling me??

Like idk bro use ya eyes

[lilac stag]

my hope is GTFO is able to use one part of the data that was discovered to make itself work

[plush roost]

Ik jubei is a big sound guy too

All my m+ buddies getting kneecapped 💔

[lilac stag]

and maybe one day I can actually turn off the other mother fucker friendly spell effects

[chrome palm]

Carried by weak auras 🥀

[plush roost]

This addon nerf was built for me

I was a no sound queues, no WA helper andy

[alpine wraith]

made diff

[azure thicket]

sat out from raid today after plexus and ye

[plush roost]

If my nameplates show casts (they do) and my UI is in the centerish im gamin

[alpine wraith]

we wiped in araz because people didnt realize they ad the add

XD