subtlety

[swift tinsel]

can't add/modify borders

[spice monolith]

A guildie of mine was recommending:

Unhalted Unit Frames
BetterCooldownManager

[swift tinsel]

also the swipe covers stack/charge text

[spice monolith]

But I never installed anything, just reinstalled the game + plater

[swift tinsel]

yeah I really wanna mess with Unhalted after work

been using TweakUI:CD Sensei and Masque for pretty much all so far

and its gotten me like 98% where I want my UI to be

just need to fine tune and align everything

[spice monolith]

So long as you can get it close to what it was before for comfort, you're chilling

[thin sinew]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
Here is a macro to make it easier to fit all of your globals into your Shadow Dances

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

This can be combines with trinkes and other cooldown use.

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Secret Technique

[spice monolith]

And the amount of addons that have come out to do exactly that is great

[swift tinsel]

ye biggest thing is I want circle combo points, I really don't like the bar style

that also shows supercharged cp

found one that doesn't have SC

which is kinda fine bc you don't really play around knowing how many SC cp you have

[vale pine]

this is where i am at atm, still need a addon for action bars, idk if i need one for raid frames too or if the default are now good

[swift tinsel]

looks exceptionally clean, very niceu

[bleak night]

blue energy and rogue nameplate

[thin sinew]

can't use base UI action bars?

[bleak night]

[thin sinew]

i've found them basically as good as bartender since df but that's me

[bleak night]

does look clean though

[swift tinsel]

I just use the base bars and shrink/hide

[vale pine]

i want to hide them

[west tide]

guys its lookin bad for the laws and sin im glad to be here ..

[vale pine]

you can't hide the default action bar

so you need an addon

[swift tinsel]

and I'm just using default party/raid/player/target frames

[wispy pebble]

is this bcdm? You dont have any issue with icons buggin out of square shape?

[vale pine]

it is why i downloaded actionbar enhanced initially

[spice monolith]

Default ones are probably the way to go even as a healer now

[swift tinsel]

no more bartender?

or dominos

[vale pine]

i adjusted the zoom level and that fixed it

[swift tinsel]

I know Cell isn't doing prepatch support

[wispy pebble]

what are you at?

[swift tinsel]

but might be for full release

so I may possibly maybe get that again

[thin sinew]

ahh right i got you

[vale pine]

i went down to 2%

[spice monolith]

honestly not sure, this is what our rdudu linked earlier

[wispy pebble]

interesting. 2% looks way different for me

[swift tinsel]

is that what they use?

(I haven't used a bar addon in years)

[red vortex]

getting somewhere iguess

[vale pine]

i have clean icons installed

[swift tinsel]

but I'd imagine if bartender is working then that should be fine if you want to hide bars

[vale pine]

well "installed" as in you cop/paste them

bartender caused issues when i tried

[wispy pebble]

ah. Guess ill have to do that as well. But the issue might actually be the hide out of combat option

[vale pine]

wdym

[final pecan]

do u have prism stacks or just big ah icon lol

[wispy pebble]

it buggs out when i get out of combat which hides the cooldowns and when i reenter they are broken sometimes

[vale pine]

i just played 2 dungeons and had no issues

nameplates was what caused me the biggest issue

[wispy pebble]

my nameplates worked quite well apart from houndsmaster not being shown as kickable and gargoyles not showing when they turn to stone

[random mason]

way too much work for them talking so big a few months ago

[vale pine]

this was my frame rate with platinator

[thin sinew]

wtf

[alpine wraith]

got plated

[wispy pebble]

wtf. I hate no issues

[alpine wraith]

damn

[vale pine]

without i had solid 30

(i put a frame cap at 30 because my laptop isn't the best)

the issue is some blizz code tho

the addon just made it even worse

so default nameplates also lag for me

i found a solution tho

back to stable 30

everywhere

[swift tinsel]

I'm afraid to dive into nameplate addons lol

plater was nonfunctional when I was playing last night

[vale pine]

but now i am bound to a nameplate addon ^^

[wispy pebble]

guess ill give bcdm a few days to fix the resize issue before i move on. Im to lazy to rebuild now

[spice monolith]

he's said "bliizardbars addon"

[vale pine]

i used kai for most part, a slightly modified version tho

[wispy pebble]

platynator is kinda cool

[swift tinsel]

hmge will have to investigate, tyty

[swift tinsel]

ye thats on the radar for replacement

Kai was also nice but it couldn't recolor/retexture but now that that's basically gone i might give it another look

base nameplates are well and truly awful, the text and cast bars are miniscule

[bleak night]

i just used jundies platynator profile on beta

seemed pretty good

[swift tinsel]

oh very nice

isn't platynator the one that found the caster color workaround

since they flag casters as "paladins"

or something like that

[vale pine]

main ones keep bugging out for me

and become a blurry mess

[ripe flame]

found a way to remove the yellow swipe off the cdm with arcUI if someone is still looking for ittt

[vale pine]

so ye, i stick with my clean ones and no lag

[swift tinsel]

wait

did they remove the ability to have /run functions

[keen dome]

Zooms in Textile.. Doombanner??

[swift tinsel]

for basic scripts

[upper cosmos]

hey I'm trying to sim shadowcore oil and potion of phantom fire. I looked at the tc-research pins and pasted in the consumables like fuu said. I'm not sure how to add the SL stuff so I copied the lines for algari oil and just swapped the name and put it into the same section. Does this look right?

[vale pine]

i have no idea tbh, the text is so pixelated it could very well mean anything

you just go /simc in game

then paste it in advanced sim

copy/paste the content of the file below

press "sim now"

done

[upper cosmos]

I thought the file below was just for TWW consumables, I'm trying to sim SL oil and potion

[swift tinsel]

can someone try a macro for me quick, that has default combo point bar showing under player unit frame

prettiest of pleases

[ripe flame]

hit me

[swift tinsel]

/run RogueComboPointBarFrame:Hide()

[vale pine]

well ye its only for tww

the older ones are likely not supported

[swift tinsel]

and lmk if it hides the cp bar

[ripe flame]

its gone

[vale pine]

but you can try

[swift tinsel]

plz ty

[vale pine]

just put the tokenized name instead

[swift tinsel]

oh hell yeah

perf tysmmmmm

[ripe flame]

oh its back

[slate lantern]

trying to sim exploits ehhhh

[upper cosmos]

profileset."Shadowcore Oil x2"=+"temporary_enchant=main_hand:shadowcore_oil/off_hand:shadowcore_oil"
like this?

[alpine wraith]

ok guys here it comes time to fix ui

[vale pine]

probably ye

just sim it and see if it throws an error

^^

[ripe flame]

don't know if it mattters but it comes back on relog/reload

[alpine wraith]

oh they broke my tmog

[vale pine]

good luck

[swift tinsel]

yeah it'll do that, the script is just to hide it but other elements will turn it back on unless its set to persistently run

[upper cosmos]

well I wouldn't call it an exploit, just wondering if some things scale better 😉

[ripe flame]

gotcha

saving it as a macro ty

[swift tinsel]

its what I used to make an addon that turns it off but prepatch broke it so I needed to check a quick fix before updating on curseforge

ty for your help!!

[placid elk]

all i got is leatrix plus and even that one bugged out with some minimap shit

[warm marlin]

MOTS this guy is self promotioning!!!

[swift tinsel]

ope

nuh uh

gaslighting smh

[molten citrus]

[placid elk]

isnt that something you got to run every login?

[swift tinsel]

if its just a macro yes

but you can take scripts and make them into .lua files

then make a .toc

[upper cosmos]

well I suppose it worked lol

[swift tinsel]

bicmex has a very easy to follow video on how to turn simple scripts into addons, its quite helpful

[ripe flame]

if you don't mind sharing the name of the addon on a dm please do 🐐

[warm marlin]

huge gains

[alpine wraith]

ok tmog fixed

[upper cosmos]

it's actually so low that I'm not even sure if it worked properly so I'm gonna hit the dummy for a bit 🤔

[slate lantern]

new meta defined

[vale pine]

👍

[broken seal]

Guy I just saw the Sub FAQ and I was wondering why do we use black powder on +2 target ?? Eviscerate + nimble flurry became bad ? Or am i missing something ?

[warm marlin]

evis doesnt cleave with nimble anymore

[vale pine]

yes

you use bp on 2 targets already

[warm marlin]

and bp got better too

[vale pine]

nimble flurry is only on coup

not on evis and strike anymore

[broken seal]

omgg....

[upper cosmos]

I really thought this shit would hit way harder lol. That's out of 6.9m dmg in about 2:10~

[vale pine]

put a satyr enchant on your neck

might do more

[real ravine]

what emblishments you guys rocking rn

[upper cosmos]

I've been dabling in some enchants

[fleet acorn]

which goddamn programmer changed the pers ressource bar there what is this ... as standard

[vale pine]

haha

[fleet acorn]

gotta b a joke

[queen plinth]

i just did 41k in a 15 prio with 156

that seems kinda low?

[fleet acorn]

dont have time for this ui shid i wait 3 weeks and hope i can import profiles

[dire jolt]

I can wield sword mogs while having daggers equipped, best expansion ever!

[jolly sleet]

"deluxe doomhammer" you lucky guy

[slate marlin]

does anyone know why tweaks cooldowns randomly disappear mid combat?

[azure thicket]

assa rogue hit 90-100k on gamba during cds at whatever 729 turned into but 60k when everyone is pumping seems about normal

author is working on bug fixes

it started having a fit when i applied deathstalker's mark in keys

[upper cosmos]

that's what I'm doing atm. just waiting on skill capped to make their midnight profile

[tepid trellis]

true and real

[spice monolith]

didn't know this was a change holy

[misty condor]

Wait is that real, we can finally transmog daggers into one handers?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[spice monolith]

goated change

[misty condor]

oh my god finally

[wheat relic]

anyone able to send talents?

[upper cosmos]

there was a bug in cata/mop that let you do so as well wasn't there?

[slate lantern]

[rustic mortar]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[opal basalt]

Fun Fact: You can apply old enchants to your gear now.

or this one

[vale pine]

can do some simulations tomorrow, the pins have sims

[dire jolt]

So how much would they have to buff Dark Brew at this point with how little shadow damage sub does now?

[low ledge]

The combo points being the way they are are killing me inside.

[vale pine]

lol

there is so much wrong in this picture

it gets worse then longer you look

[low ledge]

Tell me about it

[swift tinsel]

everything left-aligned

holy

lol

[queen plinth]

why are you guys struggling so much

[crystal atlas]

What add-ons are those?

[rustic mortar]

no idead im getting close

[low ledge]

I am jsut trying to make it work without addons but not really going so well

[rustic mortar]

im getting close to old ui

[tepid trellis]

hmmge wonder where its from

[dire jolt]

eww, I don't like that Cold Blood is visible out of combat

[queen plinth]

unhaltedunitframes and bettercooldownmanager

[vale pine]

• the bar texture looks like it misses an outline at the top (think it does not)
• The Essential cooldowns have way too much space between icon, while the utility cooldowns are all back to back
• Kick/blind/kidney have bigger icons somehow
• The combo point bar is not only misaligned to the right it is also not centered between utility and ressource display
• And there is an uncanny brightness to the entire screen, likely a bad gamma setting

[fathom adder]

what breakpoint happens at 35% haste?

18 sec cd sectec?

[queen plinth]

no atrocity doenst have 1080 p yet 🙁 had to do it myself

[tepid trellis]

so you took it and scaled it down

[azure thicket]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qkyg9wAITq8

[low ledge]

I was being sarcastic lol I havent even dove into all that yet. Got stuyck trying to see if you could change the resouce display

[queen plinth]

no 😄

i took the addons and just made it black and put everythign where i wanted it to be

[west tide]

shoutout atrocity

i dont want to think about my ui

[alpine wraith]

is there any combat text addon that works

[hazy breach]

Your Dance is ~9.2 seconds so you can hit 10 spells inside of it

[fathom adder]

thank you

[west tide]

the sims said i didnt need haste omfg i need more?!

[tepid trellis]

need is a strong word

[alpine wraith]

you might do a bit less dmg

damn so there really is no combat text addon i will miss those

now how do i enable back blizz one

hmm

[swift tinsel]

theres a script, moment

/console floatingCombatTextCombatDamage 1

[solemn charm]

my game refuses to display vanish in cooldown manager...did you have any issues with it?

[swift tinsel]

should do it

[alpine wraith]

thx fren

[swift tinsel]

np np

[alpine wraith]

man i will miss addons like nameplatesct and xct

[tepid trellis]

reset it and it will show 2 different vanish's

[sullen hare]

someone else was having that exact problem

ah it was stealthi good catch

[tepid trellis]

just press that

[alpine wraith]

welcome to the close enough tribe

[tepid trellis]

and set up the spells how you want it again after

[alpine wraith]

aaay

[sullen hare]

you need at least one more 100% on that left bar

(it still has the tag for your resource %)

[alpine wraith]

yea i actually dont know how to take that one off will see

[fallow glade]

the last point is most likely because the game is in HDR

thats exactly what my stuff looks like if i use the snipping tool

[tacit bolt]

question...what %haste are we shooting for now?

[west tide]

sweet spot seems to be around 30 for me

[fierce ivy]

Ty for pointing it out, I have every piece enchanted now (not sure if the head enchant from Amirdrassil still proccs. I could apply it but it didn't procc on dummy) + two sockets on belt. Also, it seems like sophic devotion gives 60 primary stat... I love pre-patch

[west tide]

lemmme see ur enchants fully so i can copy you bro

ty for being a pioneer

[opal basalt]

I think i used everything i could too

Don’t have amirdrassil head enchant

[fierce ivy]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/cyphixr not sure if I caught everything tho and it's most definitely not optimized. Just bought some stuff from auction house so I can jump into the key with friends

[crystal bone]

wtb your sensei import! 😄

[west tide]

ty bro

guys how do u get over the mental battle of wanting to be a chad in raid (mastery doodoo) and slammin dungeon dps (mastery cool)

[tepid wasp]

Yes! Go Thunderfury!

[warm marlin]

swap a ring

[alpine wraith]

what was the command to disable the cb sound

i had it somewhere but i forgot

[zinc hull]

Hi guys!
I am new to sub, and was wondering, can i macro SD and Sectec together?
Since we always use them together, i would just build up to 6+ and just hit the macro, instead of 2 separate buttons

the only case where this would be wrong is if i have to sd on low CP, but can just game that

Or is this approach wrong

[fallow nimbus]

That the blizz combopoints are not centered in the default resourcebar is a crime

I would use them + any of these cdm addons

[alpine wraith]

happy with this for now

[fallow nimbus]

Maybe i build my old interface again but this isbthe time to switch to centered stuff

[alpine wraith]

now time to teach people

[cursive vapor]

coup also in aoe when its there right?

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[spice escarp]

vanilla flavored

[swift tinsel]

DN is the capstone we ignore lol

[cursive vapor]

yeah aightt

[haughty mural]

you could use DN if you need prio, or is that not worth ?

[alpine wraith]

you can yea

[earnest rune]

You have good taste.

[alpine wraith]

you will just do less overall dps

but it is fine

[fierce lantern]

so how bad does it feel to have heavy mastery/vers set compared to haste verse in trickster? First time seeing this stat change

[haughty mural]

didnt figure out prism and pot yet in the new ui

[alpine wraith]

you will feel it in st quite a bit

but in aoe it is not as prevalent

[earnest rune]

2 ways to do it pretty easily. I'm using Quazii UI and he just has an option for it, but you can very easily do this with dominos or bartender by just creating a tiny bar and putting it under your unit frame / making it non-interactable

[haughty mural]

also tried quazii ui this evening but did not find it yet 🙂

but good to know, ill take another look

thanks

[haughty mural]

im so blind sometimes

thanks mate

[lilac stag]

Did he release a non patreon version of it?

[haughty mural]

I just wanted to try it out

[lilac stag]

Yeah I’d like to look at it

[haughty mural]

i think I never would habe tried it out if not for a rl friend which talked me into it 3 days straight till i gave in

[raw wadi]

it looks so good

[upper cosmos]

night and day energy starvation

[crystal bone]

this is driving me insane

nvm reloading fixed it

jesus

[swift tinsel]

alright I think I got everything aligned lol

might adjust icons so they're 4:3

[crystal bone]

i like that black fade vibe

[bleak night]

man

[crystal bone]

or is that just a thicc border

[swift tinsel]

Masque

[bleak night]

padding out main bar with crimson vial

what a time to be alive

[swift tinsel]

lmao right

it was that or sprint

which honestly, probs going with sprint instead

if i could put on-use trinket there I would

its exceedingly annoying you can't

in the base CDM

[fallow nimbus]

I have only bartender in my masque settings, couldn't skin bcdm at all

[swift tinsel]

ah, TweakUI:CD has an option to allow Masque skinning

[flint parrot]

guys anyone know how to fix this? buffs randomly hopping left to right

[swift tinsel]

are those the positions you have them in in the CDM?

[plush roost]

Omg my UI hero is back

[swift tinsel]

the base one has them in set spots

okie back to work time bye bye

[flint parrot]

yes, it's standart coldown manager

[spice escarp]

Just started today, will probably have profiles available to share later on

[flint parrot]

buffs just acting weird, sometimes they like all somewhere left and not moving, sometimes randomly spawn on the side lol

[fallow nimbus]

Another day another round for ui building but tomorrow

[smoky ermine]

New gear wasn't added right? Same top gear before pre -patch is the same?

[thorny wagon]

Im done Okayge

[fluid moth]

how do you make tracked buffs appear as shadow auras?

[plush roost]

Your UI kept me sane throughout df tww ty king

[bleak night]

hes back

[fallow nimbus]

Damn that's clean. What addons did you use?

[flint parrot]

pls help

[thorny wagon]

Unhalted Unit Frames and Unhalted Better Coolddown Manager

Have fun

[crystal atlas]

thoughts?

[spice escarp]

Personally prefer more cds in essential, but sub only really has 3 offensive so i added some utilities in there

[woeful wren]

do we have a way to get combo points onto nameplates?

[fallow nimbus]

I like one icon centerd so i added step and cloak to the essential ones

Man, 7 hours sleep then 8 hours work until i can tweak my ui again

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that’s just how they are, there will be spaces if you have auras there that aren’t active

[fluid moth]

I really liked the shadow techniques bar under the combo points bar on the old Luxthos WA

gonna take me a hot minute to get used to looking at the buff icon to know when to double cast a finisher when we get apex talents

[tepid trellis]

fwiw you get a spell overlay when it procs

so you dont actually need to look at the stacks

[fluid moth]

oh nice

[slim sapphire]

this looks funny

[flint parrot]

yes but the guys have them centered somehow

my buffs just trolling me

[steel zinc]

all your ui looking great I am just fixing pushing updates all day

I need some more insperation here 😄

[flint parrot]

appearing left or right

[alpine wraith]

dont worry if you feel bad look at time this is what i ended up with

then now im doing dailies

[sick epoch]

yo sub is definitely the strongest rogue rn, it feels good to play

[velvet hawk]

Love it

[floral geyser]

What site can I copy peoples UIs

i can't do this nonsense

like strings

I dont even want to log in atm lol

[alpine wraith]

someone will eventually make cool things

i have a link to my export on the new video but it is only for the mapko addon

[floral geyser]

how do i monitor my shadow dance

duration

god this sucks lol

[hazy breach]

On the cooldown manager

The shadowdance icon

[floral geyser]

its not there for me

[azure thicket]

2nd tab

[hazy breach]

Well you dont even need the buff

It shows on the icon

[floral geyser]

i only see subterfuce

oh i see

[chrome palm]

It is a little invasive that the addon changes a lot of settings without the user knowing, when you install it

Like ui scaling and action bar settings in edit mode

Might be a lot of work but a wizard might be nice here for you to click yes to make a change necessary for the addon

[steel zinc]

I had a wizard in beta

I made a poll in my discord not one person used the wizard

tbf you can turn all that off with one click of a button

[alpine wraith]

most people will import a profile but yea you can change things around quite easily

[floral geyser]

how do i bring back the thing were my cooldown glows when about to be ready from WA

[alpine wraith]

no idea tbh

[hazy breach]

Dont think you can do it when its about to ready

But when it is ready you still can, and should be able to with the baseline cdm

Right click something an add an alert

[kind river]

anyone have an inkling on what weapon enchants are good now (besides the obvious stat choices)

[jovial sedge]

Am I going crazy or did the CDR on secret technique go

[kind river]

like did some of the flat ones surpass those secondary stat wep enchants

[lucid jackal]

it went

[kind river]

with the squish

[jovial sedge]

what the fuck lol

oh well.

[lucid jackal]

It just has the CD it would of had with CDR "Most of the time"

U just dont get double in blades

[jovial sedge]

Yeah that’s why I’m sad. & in SD I guess

That was the fun ngl. But ah well.

[opal basalt]

New sub kinda feels like fdk

[jovial sedge]

Something satisfying abt watching the numbers jump down

[opal basalt]

AoE Spender/Builder and ST Builder/Spender

[lucid jackal]

true

[opal basalt]

After playing 2 keys with it, I don’t hate it. But outlaw is definitely more fun for me personally now

[hazy breach]

Its just bugged

[short radish]

check out luxthos

[spice matrix]

!ui

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[solar thicket]

I am blind or they removed symbols?

[floral geyser]

yes and rapture

[hazy breach]

They did

[solar thicket]

what the heck

[hazy breach]

#subtlety-faq or any of the guides have some writeups about it

[muted girder]

how much haste we wanting ideally right now?

[lucid jackal]

30ish

[dire jolt]

I actually miss symbols a little

Looks like secret technique is your energy regen but yeah...

I really want the shadow dot back.

[hazy breach]

Theres also master of shadows, which gives 30 energy when you dance

So thats most of what symbols gave

[dire jolt]

Sub in general is really missing shadow damage now

[chrome palm]

It feels bad that it’s not instant

[hazy breach]

Not really

Its more shadow damage than before once midnight comes

Quite a bit more

[plush roost]

Apex talent go brrr

Mystic touch value 💔

[muted girder]

really sucks according to sims im missing 30% dmg right now not being able to put in recrafts since they are broken

[opal basalt]

That’s why I did those on Monday hahaha

[hazy breach]

Looking at some logs real quick, before we did like 35-40% shadow damage, now were doing like 55%

Without apex

With apex its like 65-70% as DS

[plush roost]

Yeah chaos brand way better now

Vdh meta just in time

[hazy breach]

I mean theyre about the same

Since touch is 5%, dh is 3%

[plush roost]

Yeah but i mean in relstion to s3 where touch was mega value

[lyric violet]

Ppl how u play in M+ in terms of stat?

I play with:
35 crit
90 mastery
30 vers
15 haste

But idk maybe are wrong

[dire jolt]

Have they nerfed symbiosis yet?

[dire jolt]

That's good, I prefer when sub leans into the shadowblade stuff since I play a void elf rogue. I still miss the old shadow dot.

[slate lantern]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif?ex=69722ebe&is=6970dd3e&hm=5cf538793ffe81a818f1b15a52d91252a23f12f45271e4e22384c0d1fded087a&

[short radish]

wtf 260 ilvl? he's hacking!

[tall girder]

Wooo fimb

[eager latch]

is recrafting fucked for anyone?

[latent finch]

Yes its bugged for all

[eager latch]

nice

[wicked urchin]

any fix for this with BCM?

[slate lantern]

Bugsack and Bug grabber and disable all alerts and pretend it isn't happening

[lime pollen]

Hey, new to sub and trying to learn it
is there a reason i shouldnt just macro coup + blackpowder together for aoe?

[hazy breach]

They are two separate spells on the global cooldown, you cant really macro them

[lime pollen]

yes but prio is spend cp on coup if able
or powder if not

surly this is fine?
#showtooltip Black powder
/cast Coup de Grace
/cast Black powder

[lucid jackal]

U cant do that

[alpine wraith]

coup is not a spell dif than evis

[hazy breach]

It will say that coup aint ready

[alpine wraith]

just a proc that makes evis coup

[hazy breach]

And not cast BP

But yeah also coup is eviscerate

[steady dune]

So, since its recommended that we macro dance with SecTec, does that mean we really only have like, what, 2 CDs?

[lime pollen]

O.o well it seems to be working in my limitied testing

maybe im wrong

[torn tide]

coup and bp are both spenders arent they?? how do they get casted together

[lime pollen]

it does only cast it when you have the proc when doing /cast Coup de Grace
so kinda bypassing the evis eating cp in aoe

[hazy breach]

Nah you seem to be right, for some reason it works

[lime pollen]

it trys to cast the first skill
if it cant
it cats the other

[hazy breach]

Typically it doesnt work though

If you do
/cast Eviscerate
/cast Backstab
it wont cast backstab if you are at 0 cp

It will only ever cast eviscerate

[lime pollen]

yeah but this is sligtly different because you dont always have coup in your spell book
only shows with the proc

[hazy breach]

Ye but its 100% not intended to work

But sure go ahead

[alpine wraith]

rofl blizz really made a diff one maybe that is why it has diff bugs than evis too

[hazy breach]

There could be situations where you want to hold coup for an add spawn or something

But for the most part that would be fine

[lime pollen]

true, but for now my lazyass gonna macro it
if it comes back to bite me, ill do it the proper way

[hazy breach]

Once apex talents comes out it most likely will

As you generally dont want to use the apex proc on coup during aoe (as it doesnt do any aoe damage)

[wicked urchin]

any way to fix BCM not showing my shadow dance + sectech cooldowns?

in combat

[stray oyster]

Do you always use ss with the proc?

[hazy breach]

What is ss

[stray oyster]

Shurikenstorm

[hazy breach]

No

You dont think, track or care about silent storm

[stray oyster]

Ok, saw some logs where they were

And got confused

[eager latch]

i see some people using the darkmoon card radiance

is that shit goated?

[dire jolt]

Some darkmoon stuff squishes weirdly but I expect those to be fixed fast

[graceful osprey]

I haven’t raided yet, how fast is manaforge heroic or mythic now?

[tribal blade]

it's insanely easy

might be the easiest prepatch raids have ever been

[dire jolt]

Maybe the shiny dragon will be dirt cheap

[tribal blade]

that dragon was looking to be one of the more rare CE mounts i think

to now being pretty common

[crystal atlas]

Wish all my cooldown manager stuff wouldnt disapear during combat

[lucid jackal]

?

[winter ice]

is the new rotation just backstab then every 20 seconds press dance/sec

[alpine wraith]

yea

just remember to enter dance with some energy

[radiant swift]

did somenthing go wrong in the guide or is it intended, that this isnt used for cleave/coucil and nothing else is taken?

[hazy breach]

It still works even though its red

[radiant swift]

oh i see - ty

[alpine wraith]

yea it is a little thing an indi company

[dire jolt]

Feels weird that secret technique is level up now haha

[radiant swift]

how can u get rid of the blizzard player frame?

[half knoll]

hello fellow sub rogues how are we subfeeling about midnightsub

[west tide]

guys all my friends are making fun of me that i play rogue in 2026 and that i cant swap cause i have a lil poison and they keep callin me lil bro

[alpine wraith]

tell them they got -1 dino coins for those comments

also time to sleep almost 3 am

[stuck lance]

is recrafting broken?

[west tide]

it was broken for me the entire day yesterday

[worldly remnant]

Very underwhelmed so far

[half knoll]

i miss my energy gain from symbols of death ngl

[crystal bone]

honestly not as bad as i was expecting it to be

[torn tide]

now its just a 3 second drip from dance

[west tide]

its easier but i actually like it, feels good and fun in m+ so far

its like the same same but less piano at parts

[crystal bone]

are you playing keys as trickster?

[west tide]

yeah

[crystal bone]

gonna try that next

took me 3 hrs to setup UI

[stuck lance]

i cant anywhere close to fuus sim am i missing something or is his pretty high

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3v7GCg6qfeSJHdQcWuy4oT

[west tide]

maybe not usin a radiance and not using the ticking bomb

with all that i sim like 40k which is like 2k less than the bis sim

[stuck lance]

radiance?

[west tide]

my gear isnt super optimal

darkmoon sigili radiance

[graceful osprey]

I miss double coup

[west tide]

this is as far as i can get right now https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nKNnmrbpWVfdkC4peanFB6

maybe more i didnt optmize my stats much

[stuck lance]

oh so the crafted weapon is pretty strong atm?

[hazy breach]

Turns out the embellishment giving 2000 stats are better than the ones giving 15 stats

[crystal bone]

[hazy breach]

If its not already fixed its getting fixed soon

[west tide]

they fixed symbiosis already

[stuck lance]

oh radiance is bugged?

[west tide]

it is fixed right now

[stuck lance]

oh so sims may not be right xDF

[west tide]

yeah its probably just x2 lens if its fixed

[stuck lance]

yeah the radiance is like 6k dps lol

[brisk onyx]

[stuck lance]

can anyone recraft atm

?

[hazy breach]

Dont think so

[stuck lance]

why is everything broken good god

[velvet grotto]

Why are people using the Projector trinket but not using it during the fight? Is logs not counting the dmg?

[west tide]

ive seen logs with the damage attributed

[velvet grotto]

I see some of the top not even press it

[molten citrus]

@vale pine I think I found a spot on a sub page that mentions Mail gear

[west tide]

they just forgor maybe

[velvet grotto]

nvm I think I was looking at the wrong icon

It doesnt show up in button presses but does in dmg breakdown

[hazy breach]

Bro if youre gonna minmax prepatch you gotta enchant your shit

Theres a bunch of old enchants you can apply to helm/neck/shoulders/cloak/gloves/socket to belt

Smh my head

[west tide]

i knoww im about to do it lmfaoo

this is before that knowledge existed bro swear

i cant even recraft im scuffed

[serene notch]

I can’t help but 0 in on shake my head my head. >_<

[fleet wharf]

we don't need to make sure sec tech is the first finisher in dance any more do we?

[hazy breach]

Very observant of you

[hazy breach]

You want it to be supercharged

So first or second

[fleet wharf]

I'm so underwhelmed by the cd manager. I think I saw fuu recommend better cd manager, is there anything else or is this about as much as we're gonna get for customization going forward?

[serene notch]

You mean the in game one?

[fleet wharf]

I like arc but it's a buggy mess atm

[hazy breach]

People are probably gonna figure out more ways to handle the customization

[fleet wharf]

but yes, the in game one, just cd and buff tracking in general

[hazy breach]

But its gonna be way more bare and janky than before

[serene notch]

Yea, I think it’s still very early and we will start to see better iterations. Ideally this is the worst it’s ever going to be.

I have noticed a performance increase, Omni CD was a bigger resource hog then in understood

[fleet wharf]

I certainly hope so. I just started doing some dummy testing but idk, not much of what I liked about sub seem to remain

[serene notch]

I think there’s a lot of optimism In this discord. I’m putting down wow due to how much I dislike it.

[fleet wharf]

yea, that's fair. I'll give it some time but I might have to play outlaw or assa for the foreseable future

[serene notch]

Learning to play an electric guitar was really fun….but they decided my fun was over and gave me a banjo

Neither is better then the other but I liked my electric guitar

[hazy breach]

Yeah but a lot of us are on a tour with our band, having fun with friends

[serene notch]

💯

I don’t have that

[hazy breach]

So the sound being worse does suck, but the tour is still fun

[serene notch]

I was just a solo key pusher

My mind would be 💯diffent if I had a push team or played for CE.

[fleet wharf]

Looking through some talents but where does it say sec tech cd is reduced by cd? doesn't seem to be anywhere. I know it's there but a bit confused

[hazy breach]

Its reduced by haste

[fleet wharf]

but where does it say that?

[hazy breach]

The green CD text indicates that, but blizzard never explicitly state that anywhere

Not for any spec

[fleet wharf]

smh

[kind river]

I logged in thinking I would have to relearn sub and realized how little there is now lol

[crystal atlas]

What auto casts SND?

[crystal atlas]

thats right im dumb

[soft summit]

how much haste we need to line up sec tech with shadow dance?

[bleak night]

several

[hazy breach]

25%, but thats not the main reason why you'd get haste, as you generally end up holding sectech a little bit for blades anyway

The main reason is for extra globals in dance and more combo points generated

[soft summit]

copy thanks

[crystal atlas]

odd cant move the top damage meter and thats the main damage meter

[bleak night]

yup

fun bug from beta they never fixed

afaik there is no way to fix it yourself

[crystal atlas]

fuck trash

wooooooooooooooow

Is there any other dmg meters that work

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/big-trouble-if-i-speak-if-i-speak-i-am-in-big-trouble-speak-big-gif-23519858

[hazy breach]

They all just reskin the default one

[crystal atlas]

So bug would still persist T_T

[bleak night]

its worth a shot at least

maybe it changes some variable and works

my solution was just waiting until beta updated and that fixed it

then it bugged again

[crystal atlas]

amazing lol

[warm marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[regal rose]

do we not have symbols of death anymore ? im so confused i feel like i only have backstab fok and cooldowns

[bleak night]

symbols was baked into dance yeah

[regal rose]

we dont have rupture ?

[bleak night]

rupture got shot

[regal rose]

so what do we do ? for rotation

just build and bp or evis

[bleak night]

press builder then press spender

[regal rose]

only builder is ss bs and ss now ?

[faint gorge]

2 builders and 2 spenders? beast mode class...

[bleak night]

goremaws also technically still exists but

[faint gorge]

goremaws gotta be insane in pvp now

[bleak night]

if it didnt suck it would actually probably be a welcome button to add

[regal rose]

so we just build with ss or bs and spend with black powder or eviserate thats it ?

[faint gorge]

secret tech

[bleak night]

#subtlety-faq has basically all the info you'd need

or wowhead guide if you prefer

[pale rock]

Mythic dimensius.. hahaha

[regal rose]

ya im confused i feel like we have 5 buttons on ly

[bleak night]

but its basically what you were doing before but simpler

[pale rock]

this shits legion remix atm

[regal rose]

ya but theres no rupture or anything ? for any dots to keep track of ?

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/gone-reduced-to-atoms-thanos-endgame-avengers-gif-5349675049589106761

[mystic juniper]

broooo

we back to classic gameplay

lmao

but simpler cuz no rupture

lmao

[lucid jackal]

Noob cultural victory

[plush roost]

guys i think sub rogue is bad

i sure hope they bug fix us

so we can be competitive!

smile

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GM6xJbZqVzW4RTar?fight=last&type=damage-done

[sullen hare]

Why did you put the graph upside down

[plush roost]

Rdruid on top true

[lucid jackal]

Its just so bad

[plush roost]

I think assa is also really bad! 10 more % please!

Nothing to see here!

[lucid jackal]

OH WAITER

MORE BUFFS PLEASE

[short radish]

guys does this mean sub will be the go-to spec for rogue in season 1
/s

[lucid jackal]

yes

[plush roost]

I mean memes aside, ye

Apex talents actually make us jesus

[short radish]

oh cool

[lucid jackal]

Yeah with current tuning, sub looks very solid

But who knows, maybe its a mugzee boss where only execute matters and sin gains value

Or maybe outlaw is just overtuned by the end of all the tuning

[short radish]

surely outlaw has one tier where every rogue has to play it

[cedar willow]

outlaw homework

[short radish]

when was the last time it was outlaws time to shine?

legion on first release?

[cedar willow]

has to happen

[plush roost]

Id love to play outlaw

This variation is a lil boring but i do enjoy me some bte

[serene notch]

Ok so outlaw….that spec needs Jesus

[cedar willow]

Especially that you don't have to have the RTB containers spreadsheet open second screen for the first 100 hours

outlaw looks ok

[short radish]

rules are simpler now right

something about only reroll if 1

[cedar willow]

reroll if 1 or 2, but i've only looked briefly

[plush roost]

Im waiting for solo to discover rerolling a KIR jackpot at 20+ seconds with loaded dice guarantees a jackpot again or some forbidden technology (i madr this scenario up)

[cedar willow]

SIR STATE YOUR NAME AND SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER INTO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE

[sullen hare]

Most reasonable outlaw player? My ol friend explained it as being in the right neighborhood of the buffs you want 80% of the time, being fully buffed 5% of the time, and then you spend maybe the other 15% thinking of rerolling

[tribal blade]

i think only reroll with 1 now

[lucid jackal]

It was good in vault season 1, and it was good in CN season 1

[plush roost]

Container theorum never left 8)

[tribal blade]

hit KIR if 2 or higher

[lucid jackal]

Nobody played outlaw in vault, they just played sub (even tho it was worse)

And then CN rogue was bad, so most ppl played 0 rogue

[sullen hare]

I'm in this comment and I don't like it

[cedar willow]

gotta make some AI youtube thumbnails "INSANE NEW TECH DISCOVERED??! SHOULD OUTLAW BE YOUR NEW MAIN IN MIDNIGHT"

[short radish]

oh yeah i forgot about vault

though it was a swap to sub for raz i think

[serene notch]

Outlawing being the goto raid spec next expac would blow my skirt up

[short radish]

i have fond memories of building up a 50 minute stack of slice and dice before raid

[plush roost]

Why play hard spec when 1m gloomblades were at your fingertips

[sullen hare]

0 rogue 3 boomkin nathria

[lucid jackal]

because I'm nota noob

[lucid jackal]

It was but outlaw was still good on rasz

[plush roost]

But them gloomblades do be hittin tho dopamine !!!

[short radish]

wait really? even with the having to go to different platforms

[shrewd lantern]

I dont even remember what made sub good on rasz

besides monke see rwf

monke copy

[sullen hare]

Survivability and multiple shadow steps

[plush roost]

Good on shield burn, killed platforms well

[sullen hare]

Also great CD timing

[plush roost]

Killed adds on p2 intermission

Cds aligned

[shrewd lantern]

i dont think survivability is ever an issue on outlaw

[plush roost]

It was definitely not bad

[shrewd lantern]

LOL

[serene notch]

This was dust era? Lots of ability to move CDs to fit encounter.

[short radish]

oh yeah i played outlaw for the first 6 bosses in vault

[plush roost]

We didnt play dust

[lucid jackal]

idt it was dust

[sullen hare]

Not quite no

[short radish]

nah that wasnt dust

[sullen hare]

Dust was s2

[shrewd lantern]

nah vault was goonblade

[plush roost]

It was lingering darkness

[shrewd lantern]

and sectech

[plush roost]

100% lingering

More damage than evis

Gloomblade go brrr

[shrewd lantern]

dust didnt become a thing until s3

[plush roost]

Sealed fate sub rogue

Crit highest prio stat

Ahhhhh good days

[shrewd lantern]

s2 df was some freak shit

crit versa stacking

what the helly

[short radish]

i still don't know why i enjoyed s2 rotation.

im probably mentally cooked

[hollow compass]

This spec is boring as fuck now 👍

[short radish]

but something about it was very mongo bongo enjoyable

[short radish]

i think thats the general consensus for a lot of specs

[shrewd lantern]

idk i could play s2 sub

[plush roost]

U play beta? It is not boring its very fun

[shrewd lantern]

literally payphoning

[plush roost]

Apex talents change the flow

Banking sht can matter

[crystal atlas]

What a good amount of DPS atm?

[plush roost]

Is much more enjpyable

[serene notch]

Can’t tell how serious you being

[shrewd lantern]

its kind of decent on beta

who give a fuck ab prepatch

[hollow compass]

Feels like there is zero skill expression

[plush roost]

I mean yeah aoe is just storm powder

[serene notch]

Real

[plush roost]

But its still enjoyable st rotation

[short radish]

thank fuck i can return to monkee

[shrewd lantern]

i mean we can talk "skill expression"

when outlaw was unironically the hardest to play well

[short radish]

yeah but outlaw is like do 10/10 effort for 2/10 reward

[serene notch]

Honestly I feel like I’m getting diffed…….so many insane sub players enjoying the changes

[shrewd lantern]

LMFAO REAL

[shut burrow]

sub rogue fucking SUCKS

[lucid jackal]

If you don't like it dont play it

[shrewd lantern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HKYgcBDQ9Cxyb8p6?fight=20&type=damage-done

looks ok

idk

[lucid jackal]

It is a video game, there are a lot of specs, best time to try stuff on beta and stuff

[plush roost]

Banking sht stacks before sblades, aligning DN sectev superchargers, aligning coup supercharger, DS aoe placing mark with DN up for better overall aoe, holding dance for timings still matters like idk seems like theres plenty of skill expression

[lucid jackal]

Just cuz x and y person likes, or doesn't like it, shouldnt directly influence your opinion yk

[short radish]

unless max said it's shit, then its shit

[bleak night]

real

[shrewd lantern]

ngl getting the supercharged sectech coup

can feel

hnngh

[plush roost]

Also movement uptime is the most important its ever been and is a skill expression in and of itself

You dont want to miss white swings

[hazy breach]

Apex Supercharged coup clone hits harder than a sectech clone

[shrewd lantern]

Idk people can talk skill expression all they want

[hazy breach]

It's big dam

[shrewd lantern]

then dont have to logs to support saying a spec lacks any

its like

uhhh

how do i put it

[plush roost]

Yeah bro idk people say spec is braindead ez bad im doing tank dam and im topping over frostmages in some keys so idk seems like skill expression exists

[serene notch]

I think sub players enjoy the elitism in the previous iteration, and hate the idea of it being more accessible. Not defending this just pointing it out.

[plush roost]

Which is strange to me because last iteration of sub was not inaccessable

S3 df sub

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah the last iteration was just

[plush roost]

Thats elitism

[shrewd lantern]

do your 20s burst

then kind of bong rip

for 90s cds to be back

[serene notch]

Ok but that’s the whispyr charred view, your avg wow player think “sub is for try hards”

[shrewd lantern]

"how do i play without stealthi handholding my vanish uses"

[plush roost]

Eh maybe true true

[serene notch]

Again not saying I true just an observation

[plush roost]

Same logic behind arcane is hardest spec ever and its just follow a WA

[serene notch]

I agree….tbh I think outlaw is harder

[shrewd lantern]

I wonder when did insinuating someone tries become an insult.

It's a really weird thing about gamers.

[serene notch]

I think being in this discussion and being who you are such a small segment of the total pop

[shrewd lantern]

because you know its not the actual "for fun" players who complain about it

its the midcore reddit andys

[rapid estuary]

Is one spec signficantly outperforming in M+/Raid?

[lucid jackal]

sub seems very good rn

for prepatch

[shrewd lantern]

i feel the only time i was invested in a prepatch was df prepatch outlaw

which was kind of pants on head broken

but fun in its own way

then blizz decided to nerfbat every cdr interaction because dreadblading into another dreadblades was uhh.....

[shut burrow]

if sub feels very good then im missing it

seems like "hey just press your buttons" now

[shrewd lantern]

There are times you still have to think ahead like charrend mentioned

[lucid jackal]

Weird, I thought the spec had no skill expression anymore

https://tenor.com/view/hrmm-thinky-hrmm-thinky-thinky-seal-funny-seal-gif-17783314471613732874

[short radish]

[shut burrow]

maybe its just because im at minimum haste still

but it feels like shit

[plush roost]

You can play like this an perform at a 80% capacity ye, floor is much higher no doubt

There is still minutia that will move the needle 20% tho

[serene notch]

If there is 0 skill expression wake me up when it’s not the same 10 guys butt blasting everyone

[plush roost]

And i think thats actually exactly what you want from a class

[shut burrow]

wheres the 20%

you have dance all the time

[plush roost]

And if youre referring to prepatch then yeah it is quite barebones

[short radish]

woooo 100% dance up time

[shut burrow]

yeah im just talking prepatch

not beta

beta seems ok

[short radish]

????

[shrewd lantern]

well yeah prepatch is fake content

[short radish]

if beta seems okay

whats the problem lol

who cares about prepatch

[plush roost]

Yeah you cant evaluate on prepatch haha

Its definitely just push buttons on live rn hahaha

[shrewd lantern]

only thing less relevant than prepatch logs are fated prepatch logs

[plush roost]

Most u can do is supercharge coup dn sec tec and maintain perfect uptime

[short radish]

my best offer is to uninstall teh game and reinstall it 1 week before game acutally launches

[shrewd lantern]

I can't

if they need me for a sale

[rapid estuary]

having no rupture feels so ... weird

[shrewd lantern]

on tuesdays

otherwise yeah im not logging in

[short radish]

prices are going to absolutely tank with how easy it is

[serene notch]

Pre patch going full micky mouse

[shrewd lantern]

you aint wrong

[short radish]

i never am

[shrewd lantern]

we havent even gotten a call if we're even raiding prepatch

[plush roost]

Lemix mode

[serene notch]

FR

[shrewd lantern]

waiting for people to post their prepatch io

like a fking resume

[shut burrow]

i mean im still playing the game

[plush roost]

Waiting for blizz to put title out for prepatch io

Thatd be a banger

[misty condor]

black powder at two or three targets?

[plush roost]

2+

Strike at 1-2, storm at 3+

[misty condor]

danke schoen

[shrewd lantern]

actually no i logged in to put an extra socket on my belt

before blizz patches it

[mental snow]

can you not macro shadowstrike into shadow dance anymore?

[plush roost]

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Strike

Ur making sure the gcd is available? Otherwise itll just dance and do nothing

[bleak night]

didnt that stop working properly at some point in tww

i remember seeing complaints about it

i never used it tho so idk

[plush roost]

Idk i uses a backstab dance macro all season

[mental snow]

i can get backstab to work but it doesnt work for me with shadowstrike

[plush roost]

Hmm maybe its stance window breaking it

[lucid jackal]

Do u have shadowstrike before dance in the line or smthing

Like u have /strike /dance or smthing

[mental snow]

no

/cast shadow dance
/cast shadowstrike

do we even bother casting backstab in shadow dance for macabre anymore?

[plush roost]

No

Dont even use storm like was being cooked earlier

[eager latch]

char did you do mythic raid yet?

got any logs I can peep?

[plush roost]

Nah were doing a UI test in like feb

Otherwise were off for the season

[shrewd lantern]

yeah idk if we're raiding in prepatch

leadership just said "fix up your ui before midnight"

[plush roost]

Based

Fix it so it breaks on heroic week anyway W

[shrewd lantern]

[bleak night]

[shrewd lantern]

We dont need any mounts and im pretty sure they find prepatch just a shit time

to really eval trials

anyway

[plush roost]

Yeah u cant trial on prepatch

[eager latch]

yeah this prepatch is a horrible time to trial

[plush roost]

Could barely trial on farm this tier

[eager latch]

everything just dies

[shrewd lantern]

yeah NK/dimmy only bosses you really could

somewhat

[eager latch]

dude NK dies so fast

you don't even have to do platforms

[shrewd lantern]

[eager latch]

and dimmy dies instantly once you land in p3

[shrewd lantern]

dont remind me

i have to hope someone dies to something stupid

to get any platform dam

[eager latch]

lmfao yes

[shrewd lantern]

then we miss a star

on the attempt the good aoe specs were dead my side

[plush roost]

Im still impressed nobody topped my nexus king where i had to compete with cheek on platform dam

Gonna print that log and put it on my fridge

Babies first rank 1

[warm marlin]

more to come!

[serene notch]

Will you continue playing sub @plush roost

[chrome palm]

Do they wait until prog to promote for you?

[plush roost]

Ofc

[plush roost]

Probably idk, i feel at home already anyway. Id be shocked if they failed me

I perform way better on prog than i do on farm

Farm so resident eepy

[warm marlin]

i was watching back our prog kill of dimmy today and i was gaming

so locked in compared to farm

step full on cd all of p3 going over rings

[plush roost]

Our nexus king prog i never felt more alive

Esp with 4 extra lasers in p1

[warm marlin]

p1 NK was so fun once you had it down

in melee

[plush roost]

Full matrix uptime

Then you mentioned the slice n dice spam farm cdr for the burn phase and backstab dance macro

Its a shame i messed it up on the actual kill pull lmao, mistimed by 2 globals so i fudged up the first dance sequence on burn

[plush roost]

I had trouble with this cause melee would be so inconsistent to step to haha

I ended up using my warrior as he kinda ran to the rings asap rather than waiting for them to hit him

[warm marlin]

i was just mouseover,help stepping the group

[plush roost]

Man im always so scarred im gonna mouseover dimmies big ass fucking hands at the perfect frame

To do that

[warm marlin]

that's what the help is for bucko

[plush roost]

Wait

See this is why im fried in the macro world xd

Thats good future comms, rn i have (mouseover,exists);

Good thinf

We have all these extra keybinds for more step macros

[warm marlin]

true and real

[craggy quest]

Looks like swapping between hero talents bricks deathstalker

[strange chasm]

wut is this tech

[craggy quest]

Went from Trickster to Deathstalker after doing a fight and it just doesnt apply mark on the target

[chrome palm]

I turned off my dps meter to focus on nexus king LMAO

I was so locked in

[plush roost]

After platforms in p2 of nexusking you have time to send one symbols and build with backstabs/storms for coup. If you finish with slice n dice and cancel aura it you can spam cdr farm without consuming supercharger. This allows you to enter burn with:

14 sht
Coup
2 supercharger

Which obviouslty is a lot of burn damage

[lucid jackal]

U get platforms?

Tf

[plush roost]

Nah that was during prog hahah

[lucid jackal]

Oh LMFAO

I was like tf

[plush roost]

We arent raiding prepatch lol

This dark tech still works too

Well

[warm marlin]

itll work better in midnight

dance flat 20s cd

even easier to fit in

well you miss a dance but

[plush roost]

Its not exactly good since its tied to dance, but it can work

[chrome palm]

i remember prestacking

[warm marlin]

itll be better for prog when you dont care about damage, after that kinda shit i suppose

its usually bad after prog anyway tho

[plush roost]

Hey man, got me a r1 parse haha

W

[warm marlin]

ye for damage amp i could see it

mby

but like dimmy p1 with 20s dance at the end, you could farm 6 superchargers maybe

[plush roost]

Yeah with midnight its gonna require a very specific scenario or dps hold

[chrome palm]

one thing about flag/flawless form rework that is sad

[plush roost]

Otherwise youre just losing hella dam,

[chrome palm]

is that you no longer get that pre-ramp gameplay before add spawns

[plush roost]

Yeaaas the preramping was kinds hype

[chrome palm]

like on araz even

[plush roost]

Like sending flag 4 seconds before araz

Yeyeyeye

[chrome palm]

on both the burn and the first add spawn

was really cool

or on dimmy plat 1

[warm marlin]

thats why i was sad to lose flag

but also stuff like dimmy burn will be better

same w rupture being gone

flag rupture was satisfying

[chrome palm]

i like flag as a cd, i just wish it did more damage

like it did in shadowlands

[plush roost]

I liked the forbidden flag evis vanish strike rupture

[chrome palm]

why might you do this

[plush roost]

I remember it being a thing for like the opener on sprocketmonger

[short radish]

gets your 2nd sectech+cb in your first dance window

[chrome palm]

you can do that without flag tbf

if you just use vanish like the (old) opener

[short radish]

it makes it a lot easier

[chrome palm]

well you just strike vanish strike rupture