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anyone know of a way to display a trinket next to or inside the cooldown manager?
I just made a bar that has trinkets, racial, health stone, health and damage pot
yeah, i think thats what im gonna end up doing
It does not track stacks of prism for example
A couple addons let you have a customizable cdm group where you can drag things like that - arc ui, nephui, tweaks. All do a lot extra too though and Iβm looking for a more minimal one
Happy NuSub day to those who celebrated it. May we enjoy the Shadowstrikes and the purple.
probably an addon
yeah just haven't found it. so was hoping someone in here know which one can do that
hi fuu is there a guide to make sub fun again, cant find and ive read wowhead 3 times
Whcich are not locked behind a paywall which quazzi ui is
Why do things default into german so often in WoW...
Dumb question, but is there a way I can make my extra action bars swap when in stealth? I know the normal one does but the way I have my bars set up having the other 2 I added swap would be ideal
Neph, tweaks, arc ui
I am annoyed I cannot put their damage meter right up against the edge of my screen and there has to be a 'gap'
so are we just running these 2 talents for fun in ST?
doesn't compete with other dmg nodes and has niche uses so yeah
yes
you can change it to utility
but most fights have some sort of adds
possible
And possibly the delve boss
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
what bosses are we playing DS? or we just playing fatebound?
this channel is pmuch the midnight channel now
Haha yeah was memeing
!ui
any premade UI's for sub out already? i really only need to see my CP under my character model and the duration of dance and blades
I'm very annoyed they broke the personal resource display for no reason..
i will make mine after work
i should've scrolled down on wowhead π€¦ββοΈ... where can i actually import the codes?
Is DS also the play on dimi or stay trickster cause wonky mark?
there are quite some people releasing CDM import strings, i listed my personal setup on wowhead and one of the streamer setups, there is luxtros too, and i assume many more, links:
- Luxtros CDM | UI
- WoWhead: Macros & UI
Installing fresh 
Nice
I like their name plate and bossmods so far. Lots of options and flexibility for showing what you want.
Angry about the personal resource display.
are basic bag and cast bar addons also not working anymore?
It seems like it imight be
yep
I hate the amount of padding on some of their UI elements. Like their DPS meter
The functionality is fine, but the UI itself is annoying to make clean and tidy
what are people using for energy/cp?
I wanted to use the PRD but Blizz have MURDERED IT so I might look into making my own. I just want a single clean bar that anchors to the PRD spot..
luxthos uses senseiresourcebar
or smthing
think he uses this
I'd been wondering that too haha
hmm
Was it arc ui that let you track trinkets ?
think the nameplates of enemies don't work well with resolution scale
uhm, guys, is the reshi cloak bugged? got yesterday, upgraded 15/15 and ilvl is shit, tried deleting it, etc. nothing works
Stat squish
probably, it was broken on beta too iirc, but hope was that its fixed with release
normal indie game bugs, i supose
I hope they let us change bar growth, etc. I want my Shadow bar icon at the bottom and the bar to shrink down..
lol
it died
ok i got to 31% haste and now its not worth double the other stats
nice, you fast
i mean u wanna go haste to reach 19.5-20sec sec tech to lineup and then the stat is dead right?
Also I have 24% speed. I had 12% before pre-patch. I've doubled speed.
by the looks of it
my sec tech is at 19 rn
yh the only way haste would be worth it past that point would be if it grants u 1 more finisher in dance from deepening shadows but is that even reachable
is anyone elses default personal resource bar not working? as well as DR
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
yye
i linked some sims in the pins, will do the sheet soon tho
Oh shit. We should take a moment to remember Shadowheart. Shadowheart 2025 - 2026. You will not be missed.
thank youu
i hope goremaws is next
Nah, Goremaw's has dirt on someone.
good thing is with lower damage numebrs seems like sims awre way faster for big iterations lol
I'm a huge fan of smaller numbers. THey're just nicer for me brain
The cooldown manager is pretty nice. Just some more customisation and I'd never use anytihng else. I think my only real major complaints right now are the Personal Resource Display and the padding on some frames (like their DPS meter)
but since we can reskin everything hell yeah
i installed betterblizzframes and betterblizzplates
lets see if these addons are good, someone suggested them to me before the patch
I'll check them out
I really like their bossmod system. It feels like a great first step.
Although I worry the bar with icons is just going to be too much noise without context
'Cos a big thing of Bigwigs was someone curating or properly identifying critical mechanics, which most players aren't great at. But it's still great to see a baseline system like this
I've not got time to re-do my talents and read stuff, but I am enjoying the remains of rupture lingering in my bars:
Rest well, bad rotational maintnence button.
the muscle memory lmao
at first iw as stil trying to aply rupture and pressin my symbols button lmao
Weirdly Flag is just gone but I assume the difference is that Rupture exists, whereas Flag is straight up deleted from the game.
(Or the talent version of flag anyway)
holy shit boys, having no interupt while healing is PAINFUL
Just shout "DPS ADJUST" repeatedly
I can only ping so many times
ends up doubling the options of BetterBlizzFrames
this might be better
without all the install/setup stuff
i will actually test some addons now
sensai ressource bar is not my liking
I may end up doing this if I hit the "Why can't I make it look how I want"
Which is why I made my own WA's 'cos I wanted it my way haha
can this UI hide action bars z.z?
its a unit frame addon
so don't think so
but you can just use dominos or bartender
i actually want to hide my action bar too ^^
so i need to see
i am in this with you, i tested on beta without addons
Can probably still do it with cvar?
you can hide any bar thats not the default in the base ui
but i want to hide the default one too
It has a curseforge version now
amen
this one i can recommend
That looks pretty nice. WIll give it a go
adds the ressource and cp on top
Very nice
Nah but can it be in the middle too?
I want cds on top utility down
yeah same
i tried setting it up and just gave up
i feel like alot of the addon people aren't very good at UX design haha
i'm using orbit which expands on edit mode and adds a cool features without much setting hassle
looks like that with a single addon
i would be tempted to create a addon if its not soo much work to create and maintain
yeah it's constant iterating
and fixing
my guild had an addon creator and even after he quit playing he would log back in every patch to upkeep the addon
Have you guys checked out Nephui? Its rly goos too
i tried setting up neph on the beta but it did some really weird things for me
theyre probably both made in chatgpt or something
damn that's crazy
yeah my RL posted this for us
HAHAHAA ain't no way
my understanding is
nephui "risk of being vibe-coded"
a lot of CDM addons basically copied a lot of his code
Nothing wrong with vibe coders
so he doesnt mind doing the same
this is drama i didn't know existed
yeah the addon drama is crazy man
no
weird then lol
Non sense tbh. I just want a clean Ui and nephui did a good Job atleast.
it was completely borked on the beta for me so i just gave up trying to make it work
It's almost like both are made by the same AI :D:D:D:D:D
i tried setting up arcui but it gave me an aneurysm
might be the worst gui ive ever interacted with for an addon
btw. its very interessting that the default cdm is very similar to my weakaura setup in functionality
i don't know any other weakaura setup which overlayed the duration when a buff is active
yeah it drives me insane when addon creators think you need a degree in nuclear fission to operate their addon
ahh
oh nice! i just downloaded it, will try setting it up some time
did not know
try @steel zinc's addon
ty β€οΈ
yeah you can copy anything to everywhere
big
also presets for plug and play
ill try this out, but if i dont like it ill hold a grudge against mapko for an eternity
I remade atrocity and some other stuff
Are we actually a 5 spec class now?
so plug and play
yeah really fantastic 4
both deathstalker and trickster play identically
Thats crazy
in aoe and single target
It feels awful
wym 5 spec class
press button > get buff (coup or darkest night) > spend buff > repeat
outlaw -- assassination, what other three am i missing
It feels like a cheap mmo's version of a class
and yet it will be played
we are missing the apex atm
because it's fucking BLASTING
but yeah
even with apex
theres no depth here
yeah not much
almost no thinking required outside of playing the fight
Idk pressing evis is pretty hard to do
very few buttons, very few things to track
very smooth brained now
only diff on trickster and DS
Bro its a bullet proof spec only 4 button mean bigger tune number
is you can ignore DN for maximum damage in aoe
whats dn
zzzzzzz
bm hunters notorious for their mechanical performance
u disappoint me hacha
ahaha
bm hunters are not smooth brained
thats only rogue angle
huntard is now subtard π it might be over for us in midnight bros

It has also first dance tracker, crosshair etc. So everything any rogue wants 
only outlaw needs crosshair
dw i'm gonna be saying to my raid "i PlAyEd sUb wHeN iT wAs hArD"
i set better cooldown manager
to show the power bar on the opposite, so bottom instead of top
and now it does not show it at all
and i can't even open the pannel
XD
i guess i need to delete the wtf config
so this is the issue i was having with nephui on the beta, tried changing things and it completely stopped working
Anyone else encountering issues where deathstalker's mark refuses to apply? Had it happen twice now and the only fix seems to be relogging.
just installed BCDM and after going to combat, all of the bars disappeared and wouldnt come back anymore until after /reload
The duration is only a minute isn't it? I think this was a good 20 minutes or so.
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the dreaded resetting to default when you've spent so much time customzing
i'm reading up on outlaw right now
if it's as good as i hear i might have to check it out
if I have both crafted rings and neck would be ok go follow overall bis list? or wouldn't work since those item values are like 2000 haste and 10.000 vers for example (old values)
instead of crafted stats that are both equal
because I guess sims now gotta be taken with a grain of salt
is upgrading gear broken or something? it's trying to use gilded crest for me when the cost shows as 0.
?
lots of people are saying it's fun
i try to stay away from outlaw because playing it with 200 ms is horrendous, but if its at least simpler might be doable
haha ye
^^
(it might be nameplate settings and not the addon, but damn)
Lmao, amazing
it seems like its not platynator's entire fault
default plates also cause a bit of lag
betterblizz is a pain to configure, but they don't cause them, so i guess i use these for the meantime
demodal is broken, mhm
I keep getting 14 stored points
is it a bug?
They are not getting consumed or something
only by backstab and shadowstrike
you can stack sht up to 14
not a bug
they only get consumed when you use a builder currently
the finisher consumption moved to apex talents
Im ngl man sec tec not applying fazed rn is one of the worst feeling things ever
yeah it's pretty annoying
am i high i thought they changed coup so you don't need to cast it on a fazed target
no more fazed conditional
Well i will tell ya from my beta gameplay that id faaaake news lmao
oh is it stil there
fake news as always
that's CRAZY
Maybe its a live thing only but on beta id start a pack and coup and get zero stacks and wanna jump off a bridge
Since storm randomly applies unseen to a random target
thought i'd be smart swapping to trickster
Well i also think rogue is just weak in prepatch so maybe its just #roguethings
Do you hold SD+ST in this situation? Or send and hold SB for next SD+ST?
i guess IM THE FOOL
it's most definitely not
not if you abused vers embel or TW gear smile
Idk i was playing with bansh on survival and i was about 20k dps down overall
Maybe survival op
Beat the DH
Maybe dh is weak
Idk whst the aversges are
Anyone tried antrocity ui for rogue yet? Or anything else which feel nice? @tepid trellis hope you dont mind ping
i'm trying not to worry about prepatch numbers
8% actually
Dont
we're missing so much kit
does mark krangle in some way in nexus king or dimensius
that's fair, how's deathstalker?
yo is danger sense kinda good
rng but can become poggers
i think esp on rot fights
it's really good
which is where rogue has historically been bad
where tf was this talent when i was pushing during DF
lol yeah
or the frost bitch in halls
or worm in NL
healers having to babysit us
oh and we're down talent points compared to midnight level cap right?
so no shiv or graceful guile etc?
It does though?
Idk ds feels rly nice which is all I wanted. Need to test in m+ tho
you can prob drop the increased healing from vial and pot to pick up x2 feint charges
Yes i updated it in the faq. Fuu forgot to check the utility points
Itβs Gna feel weird not rupturing stuff tho
i finally put shuri toss on my bars
feels like maybe dropping shadowrunner for airborne irritant might be a play
the extra movespeed during dance isn't a big deal imo only benefitted shroud of concealment group sprints i think?
huh, i thought i did
let me check
It doesnt have the 2x feint one talented
oh, ye, you can absolutely change utility talents
btw aoe blind is just gone now right?
so we just have no aoe stop now
it still works just blinded 3 dummies
How's Bugtlely feeling in prepatch?
gouge 
YUP rogue is borderline useless in keys now
They will surely tune us higher across the board so we fill a niche with our limited utility right 
I mean my hope is that we can play DS and prio/funnel monster it up
midnight beta ranks from a friend
ye was kind of tired of inviting marksmen hunters
You're friends with archon dot gee gee
Kinda similar to DH function last season ig but better ST without funnel
that's toxic
Dw you can relogg and its fixed
Where is devourer?
that one is cool or the one that stays phantomly 60 secs
wow wants you to get a fast ssd
fighting healers
out to lunch probably, still gotta do bars but most of sub clean up is done
This happens from wipes also?
I never encountered this, is there some special condition we know about
Maybe they fixed it, but it was similar to the "paladin boss bubble" bug
Maybe its if you vanish and reset? Or its just fixed
can clones spawn?
Wdym
yes clones aren't a part of the deathstalker tree
They really need to roll that back
The dn change
you'll just do no dmg because the entire hero tree won't be active smile
i never saw any shadow clones spawn
I mean for deathstalker you just skip the utility nodes
yea there is a funny thing
u gotta stun for a clone to spawn dont u?
we dont have apex rn
Idk why they are obsessed with making their job harder for themselves with changes like this
Well you dont have the apex talents that spawns clones talented
Are you talented into them?
cant talent into them in prepatch
likely where he was playing
unless it was beta then he was sily
You can talent into weapon master and tornado
There are 2 talents that spawn clones in prepatch
Or am I wrong?
ah yea those work
also iirc someone said that you need graphic settings a bit up there
i was seeing them in beta
they were like purple
can dm a clip to not advertise here
There are 2 talents that spawn clones in prepatch, they are just not in the recommended builds.
but its not like they are giga noticable ? or did they up them ?
of how they work kinda
I did notice them in beta, but I always run full graphics
They upped the visibility
yes im talented shuriken storm has a chance to spawn a clone
But you need graphic settings up
either its very rare either i dont see them
hell yeah
Well, it's 15% chance
im already maxxed out i think
i'll see this evening
Spam it for a minute on dummies and see if you get some
has anyone been able to place a crafting order? I keep getting error message
I am a bit annoyed they didnβt fix any of the major bugs, but not entirely surprised
Hey, at least we can transmog swords now
Quick question , as it's established in the FAQ that we now have breakpoints in haste. Is it still valuable to put haste if we don't get 35% ? As i understand 35% let us have one more global into shadowdance. Basicaly i'm asking if haste is still valuable in ST under 35% ?
W shit
you can bareeely see them im kinda zoomed in too they are the purple shadows that appear sometimes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uk6hX9mKHA
they appear to my left sometimes when apex procs
or wm
WTF is this man i dont have energy to do 3 abilities in a dance window
i do dance sec tech shadow strike go to bed
ngl I feel naked right now
Turns out not having apex slows things down
also remember to use symbols

you would be surprised
Ngl deleting a bunch of flag/rupture macros felt great
Though rupture and sod still in CDM lol
maybe i do a timelapme of me fixing my ui later today
I mean you play outlaw and it feels more complete than sub rn
Outlaw with no apex is far more complete than sub with apex
they'll be a lot of holes in my bars
Without apex sub is like an all time low
Well it kinda is from my understanding
i mean we knew that this would be the case as soon as they moved half of shadowcraft into the apex
This is wrong but it does affect it to some degree
Even with apex you kinda pool a tiny bit or at least I did
No reason for master of shadows to not be instant energy instead of over time
it is more than our apex is like feeding off itself and shadowcraft in dances
Itβs bugged with shadowcraft, no?
so not having it kinda ramps us down
yea but in theory
i guess the designer made cool things
but the implementation was ehehe
Well they might be more inclined to tune things around how they are rather than how they ought to be
lmfao
Well yes, but its still like 20% more sht stacks
Is there anyway to play a sound when you hit a certain number of combo points now? I used to do it with weakauras
Nop
Dang
like is this it with sub.. stab, evis, dance, sectec.. i was bored to tears in reclear last night
yes
sadge
Donβt forget blades
But ya thatβs it
Previously, you were only pressing rupture every 20 seconds or so, and symbol during each dance. Why is it boring now?
Less buttons == boring
pumping out 20-50m damage required the player to multi task

Both my mains got wrecked lol
I respect your opinion.
Feral is also just as simple
u mean u dont like classic wow rotations 
last night i tried the sub spec after a while
care halkias swirlie, drop sod/flag start pumping as the groundskeppers run it
is there something else coming with midnight?
40-50m dollars
or is the energy starved gameplay intended?
you will have more energy in midnight
will have more haste, more regen
in retrospect are we supposed to evis or bp on those boss funnels?
also if you didn't get like ~35% haste right now on sub you're gonna be feeling pretty bad
i always evis'd but was never sure
It's just because apex talents is missing now.
im 15~20% and its fine
I do not understand. Am I at 35 or 30%?
This pre-patch seems a bit silly because it lacks apex, especially for the sub.
alacrity talent gives haste now
Imma be voidmanning prepatch anyways
I'm stuck at 9% haste rn cause I can't place any work orders
so how does sub feel?
So I do need more haste then
Felt mostly fine for me last night
is coup de grace bugged atm? i dont get flawless form stacks
Do you not get any or just 5
But you can just sim yourself
any
do i need more haste now to play sub? or can i play prepatch with my old gear
i mean is it unplayable with ahse
man my 1% haste before patch really hurting me
You donβt need lots of haste
Is the new opener identical to the tww one just without the missing buttons
Itβs nice to have 30-35% but the spec still functions with like 15%
Make sure the target is fazed

But if youβre trying it with like 1-2% itβs obv gonna feel rough
Is it 30-35 + alacrity?
But flawless form is capped at 5 also
wait, wasn't the requirement for fazed removed?
They removed it from the tooltip yes
Just like they removed blind being aoe from the tooltip

yeha does not mention it in tooltip
funny
now if you land from flying on dimmy with full cps what do you do
no FW up
dance and sectec ready
full cps
just send a natty evis then dance?
SnD
Just go
BP while flying through the air
Not very relevant for sectech
Rupture ofc 
heehee
wait does sub have a passive that makes u get SnD like how assassination has cut to the chase?
So, is blind still an aoe effect? I saw someone say it can no longer be used for aoe (my server isn't even live yet).
Yes
just sectech
All specs have cut to the chase
Ig if you send immediately youll run out of juice before adds spawn
ok i thought since you have more finisher dmg with FW up
or the strike after secetc does it i guess
Ig it might be worth to land with no cp as half of your sectech will be without that
forgot about the 10% from death perception for fw
my bad
yeah FW kinda crazy buff now
as it should be imo
Thatβs why Iβm tellin ya flying SnD to spend CP before you land on dimmy
gotcha
you could just fuck the CPs you have
and strike>sectec
either way dimmy is dying so fast
i think heroic raiders can kill dimmy now
probably
so long as you can do some dmg
anyone else having problem with tracking smoke bomb for sub spec in the cooldown manager?
SMOKE BOMB
fond memories
I miss smoke bomb
?
we don't have smokebomb in PVE
Buddy, have you met heroic radiers
it's a pvp talent
LOL yes

Heroic pugs end after fractillus
yeah doing nexus king is very different
Yeah, but that's not 'cos of Dimmy
Nexus King requires a proper raid lead to setup and explain the proper way to do it and 99% of people in a heroic pug won't bother
if you can't push nexus king fast you're gonna have a really bad time
Last phase nexus king sounds fun in a pug
It's extremely easy but one person can wipe the entire group on heroic
we pushed nexus king like it was on heroic today
was crazy
completely skipped platforms
only needed to do 1 image in P1
I gotta setup UI and organize my talents.. urgh
I need Opie to have a compatible version so I can take mounts off my bars
Feels icky lol
Haha
My biggest complaint right now is not being able to properly align stuff neatly due to padding.
We did achieve run yesterday. 4th wall Fract was hard mode
Yeah, I def needed an addon to fix padding/placement and text stuff
Am pretty content with my UI and thankful I did more heavy lifting with it before release
Might give Unhalted a try after work tonight
hey dudes, do we backstab to get more out of danse macabre
or is this a thing of the past?
Nope
For the pre patch are the changes to sub made live?
so there really is very little to optize right now
At the moment
Optimizations can come out of the woodwork pretty much at any time
So itβs definitely possible more are found
SoonTM
where is the best place to get info about feral, everytime i go to the feral channel on the dreamgrove discord they are just talking about politics?
wowhead guide?
idk what youβre looking for but most TCs arenβt going to give a shit about prepatch.
goremaw's now hits with 3 seperate instances of dmg all coded differently so you proc DM 3 times in 1 global
they kinda abandoned their spec in their channel last time i checked in over there

am i cooking
and it has a 100% chance to spawn a clown
lmao
hey make goremaw's cool enough it'll be good π
remember when sectec was a garbage button
that did nothing
!wa
Rogue WA's:
Wago.io TWW Rogue
For more specific Rogue WeakAuras, run the !wa command in your preferred specialization channel.

what having numbers does to a button, right ?
yeah big numbers

rogue is harder to play in tbc
Good thing tbc anniversary dropped
Welcome back regular channel
uh is any1 else getting stuck in stealth bar after dance ends?
better to start dance with shadow strike or a finisher ?
Gloomblade, someday it will be your day..
this was already common in tww to be fair
see:
its the same principle here
i think i had 4-5 dance macros
i had a few macros for casting blades with sectec and trinkets
I don't know what to put where Rupture was on my bars
Yeah
I always had it on 2 where I put mainitnence DoT buttons on classes
Maybe I put SecTec there now??
yeah i moved sectech to rupture now i just got to break muscle memory of pressing it as 2nd global on pull
Dreamgrove website
The soec is really simple now it needs aura buffs though dmg is low
My settings keep getting resetted ... bruh
Feral player here kind of funny seeing the exact similar reactions to the dreamgrove feral channel. Picking up sub because of what they did to feral lol
It's funny cause I played some feral this morning and it felt fine lol
mine is empty atm bc I can't think of what to put there either lol
and its 5 which is a solid bind
that's gotta stay R for me lol
my rupture was on A, I feel like I have to rethink everything now π
Shift-R might be my cancelaura Ancient Arts macro
3 is my dance lol
Ctrl+R used to be Symbols. Ctrl+Mousewheel up for blades, down for flag.
blades is where sod was at Q now
I'm sinister so my ability to hit some keybinds is limited
I had flag on G which was my old SnD bind which might go back to its home
lol same but I use a typical right hand mouse setup
they tried to train it out of me haha
Haha
I refuse to give in
I need to go through all three specs, I guess. Try to unify all my buttons to be 'similar' but urgh
Buy a scimitar bro
I'm a librarian, I'm not made of cool mouse money!
hell yeah that's a sick profession
Yeah it owns. I'm not a Librarian librarian, my offcial title is Library Resouces Officer but I'm a librarian haha
It's real good. Local goverment nonsense, working in a quiet and calm place with books and helping people. Not chasing budgets or deadlines, etc.
It's actually a really full on and pretty hectic job, no one day the same, and constantly juggling plates though. It's a ton of fun and alway sengagin
can someone explain how to use the shadow dance + secret technique macro, from what i read we are meant to use shadow dance when we are low on combo-points and have st up. so this macro doesnt really work in practice. or am i supposed to have full cp before pressing shadow dance?
does it assume you have 35% haste for the depeening shadows?
depeening 
hey guys, are we still using Strike or strorm as builder in AOE, say P2 in Dimi
Big fan of them moving premed to where SitD was, and putting SitD on a choice node
I mean its practically a choice node between Shot in the dark, exhilirating execution and shrouded in darkness
Exhilirating owns though
Yes
ok fellas. i know nothing of prepatch/midnight sub rogue. played sub rogue all of dragonflight and TWW so i know how to play it. how we feeling about. good or bad, simple answers only
good
yo is the new talent tree build on wowhead yet?
good, its much simpler now
Any ui options here
do i need to regear haste to get a proper feel for it or is vers/mast fine
yes
lol wait did they do something with addons? mine seem to be all off
Do you want the good news or the bad news.
they got rid of everything and made it their own system didnt they
I believe once we actually get into midnight we want haste but for prepatch I donβt think itβs worth worrying about regearing
there was a big addon shake-up with what blizzard allows so things are fairly different
addon-wise
yeah, details is purely cosmetic now but also the damage numbers it was telling me were off
like saying BP was doing millions
could also have been a target dummy thing
damn everythings on edit mode now
Imp telephone?
sub gapped the other 2 specs last night and then this guy gapped sub as sub
with these 2 trinkets on every boss 
ik sample size small and etc etc etc, just curious lol
I think it was the embellishment he used
355 vers per stack stacking up to 5
that embellishment didnt receive the squish?
lmao, probably not
idk what it was before but it's def way higher than anything else
atm I have 360 vers just from my gear
Any best practice for using silent storm procs?
so that proc is like having another entire set of gear giving vers
at 1 stack
and it stacks to 5

Dont care about it
yeah kinda crazy
seems like it didnt get squished
i heard timewalking gear didnt get squished either

gotta setup my UI today since shadowed unit frames are discontinued 
then ill sit at the dummy as sub first i suppose
4 minute dimensius kills is wild
i guess there is no reason for it to be hard anymore since no achievements
Deeply amused they put Eviserate on the Essential Cooldowns bar by default
You aren't wrong, Blizz. But, uh.
upon reconsideration I may just uninstall for a month or so and give people time to fix up their addons
it all seems a bit cursed though
if i build ui now then its gonna get broken again in midnight
Not sure how much better its gonna get
Wow is an expensive hobby π
if i wait long enough zac will drop his ui pack and i can avoid doing anything of my own
what is happening with our autos? i see some logs shows 6-8% mine is 3.9 π

haste possibly
Get more haste
Have you tried being closer to the target?
Do you have 35% haste?
did you spec into a fatebound spec and proc lucky coin with ravenholdt mint talented and then didnt relog after swapping to sub?
real question
Without gemming haste i am at 32%

did you equip a 1H in offhand and not just transmog it?
can you explain me how veiltouched works? what do they mean by 5% increased magic damage? is it 5% extra damage as magic on all skills?
guildy just told me that DF helm enchant works as well btw
11 agi or 21 crit?
someone tell them
relatable tbh
Do you still drop mount 100% ?
is the tooltip on ST bugged as well then because I don't see the cd decrease when I swap to trickster
Well the CDR doesnt work
But speccing into improved sectech doesnt make it work
It just never works
im so glad this small indie game is so well polished
so it only partially functions?
It being red is completely irrelevant
Yes like every other talent
i believe so
Are we dooming now? Iβm ready to doom
doesn't seem worth to doom over prepatch imo
prepatch is just another 1 month of beta testing
lets be real
only without apex talents that make every spec supposedly flow

yeah I feel people forget that sizeable caveat
i love crashing after entering the karesh portal
I really need to find a proper PRD replacement..
SenseiClassResourceBar is pretty solid
though it has the bar-style combo points, not sure if you're a fan of that
where would I put the talent point I get out of removing TFD if I chose to do so? or is it just really great value because of how short prepatch fights are?
but it allows you to edit the hp, energy, and cp sections independently which is nice
you keep TFD
vibes improve when you spec into it
Everything dead so quickly
less red = better vibes
more purple = even better vibes
maybe that's why I'm vibing with devourer atm
its quite purple
Itβs very purple
Can you Anchor Sensei?
As long as the fights arent longer than like 5 minutes you generally keep tfd
pretty cool color ngl
Yes. Just get it.
these two worked rly well for cdm + unit frames + energy/cp bar for me
Yeah, you can place it anywhere on screen
I haven't looked into nameplates much yet
Plater works.
have plater atm but will likely play around with platynator
yeah plater was breaking for me all night last night
The anator is more light weight.
Nah, Anchoring as in like how the PRD worked. I'll try it and then try Fuu's
I fear coming home
I just installed Jundies and it was fine
My nameplates setting keep resetting after I relog ,is there a fix ?
Ye if you never intend to play assa its fine
I only ever saw PRD as floating, but you can make sensei in a fixed position
Platynator added empowered dots as well I think last night.
no idea
does platynator force settings?
it does
ok thats why then
it had my game lag as hell when i used it
do either of these allow for circular combo points?
alternative ?
so i dissabled it
fuu, do u think getting both is too much?
no, one is only for unit frames
that ping 
the other one is for cooldown manager + ressource/cd bar aboth
so they work well together
its from the same author
i may be doing something wrong then LOL
it does? every time I enable it nameplates just disappear
this is what im looking at
Do we hold a shadow dance for an upcoming shadow blades to have 2
we need profiles for those?
gotta love having 2 energy bars
if you want to alter the default, yes
but too dumb to modify things myself
lmfaoo
ye
So I search for someones profile ?
the config is very minimal
there is a profiles tab
i can give you mine
moment
If u can π ty vm
but ui is kinda
oo can i get it too please
everyone likes it diffrent
give me a sec
Hmm. Can't anchor it like the old PRD was, sad. It was such nice funciontality to glue to a scalable spot on the character and not just x,y cords.
ah, yeah I don't know of any that allow that kind of functionality
Yeah
Like, I don't get why it's gone??
Blizz made the PRD completely fucking useless lmao
this is my wip ui so far
There going to be any scrolling combat text or we stuck with blizzards?
I think it was fairly unpopular as opposed to it being in a fixed position
What addon are you using for the target and character frame
wow, this one looks awesome
That's nice
wtb
TweakUI:Cooldowns, Masque: Simplicity, and SenseClassResourceBar
icons are 34x28 if you want to emulate
can set energy/cp to sync with essential cooldowns in Edit Mode but they're not exact due to how icon spacing works
can share import codes tonight if people want to mess around with stuff
The resolution scaling is the culprit. Quazii figured a way around it. Eventually someone will post it
ah figures
Is patreon UI is slick
can u share profiles?
but I ainβt paying for it. Iβd gladly do a twitch sub
I can when I get home tonight
sure bro!
I do like being at 45mb addon memory lol
Pfft, look at this guy without AllTheThings
Blizzard isnβt anti addons. Blizzard wanted WAs dead. 
@vale pine could it be that the import strings for the cooldown manager are broken on wowhead ? (edit seemed to be elvui problem)
What addon did you use to make this?
scroll down a bit from the picture
the list is a few messages down
also the text is fira sans medium which you have to add to the sharedmedia folder
and edit the lua to load it
but can use whatever font you want
actually maybe I can get the imports from the cloud lol
Imports:
- Unhalted Unit Frames -
/uuf-> profiles -> import- Import: uff.txt
- Better Cooldown Manager -
/cdm-> profiles -> import- Impart: bcdm.txt
- Blizzard Cooldown Manager Setup -
ESC-> Options -> Gameplay Enhancements -> Advanced cooldown settings -> import- Import: blizz cdm.txt
- General Blizz UI settings -
/editmode-> import- Import editmode.txt
thats my current wip setup
@vale pine I'm trying to use BetterCooldownManager and I just can't find where to actually edit the PRD / stuff in it
is sub the go to in raid now? we will do some reclears for mounts now and i cannot decide between sub and sin, sub seems better
better cooldown manager is not blizz cooldown manager
its confusing
PRD?
opener is just ss from stealth and instant dance + blades into 6cp sectec?
Personal Resource display, the bars with combo points, etc
I cannot find a way to edit it in the better cooldown manager addon
ah damn can't sync personal cloud with work pc








