thanks I found that 
#subtlety
cursive tundra
so are you telling me I've been playing sub wrong the whole time 
i've been using eviscerate at almost all target counts in m+
for prio damage
i only use BP when no prio mobs are left in the pack
vale pine
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
vale pine
you will always use coup
you can continue using evis in aoe for prio damage
doing so trades off aoe for prio damage
you lose both in roughly equal parts
so e.g. roughly 5% aoe for 5% more st on 5 targets
cursive tundra
okay, thank you 
vale pine
it rly depends on the key level you do tho
cursive tundra
i feel like in higher keys getting prio targets down fast is what gets keys timed
15-16 currently
vale pine
the diffrence usually does not matter, so playing it wrong is difficult
cursive tundra
that's a socket right?
sly shore
ye
hazy breach
Evis instead of bp is around 5% more prio damage at the cost of 5% overall
So not massively impactful overall
fleet acorn
whats like the reason when i copy a ert timer for announcment to put in my name there or not?
does it not work without name
?
latent finch
When you put your name in it will autofill it in all rows from the below. Thats all. Otherwise you have the timings of the spells but you will not get a popup sound if you use stuff like kaze timers
fleet acorn
i see so name is needed ty
sullen hare
I've gotten to sit by and watch you guys talk about autumn like it's a thing that exists the whole expansion so I feel you
astral axle
i mean we finally got our salad ~~tossed ~~ kill last night and not only was it my worst pull it died as cooldowns came up so i guess not even autumn would save 
alpine wraith
it would have helped if you are the only one getting autumn used on
as you get it 4 times
maybe 3 if kill is not super long
actually most of the time 3
astral axle
vale pine
i got "no the dk needs it"
quiet bobcat
Guys why does nelf sim higher than human? its the shadowmeld into stealth for "master of sublety" buff or something else?
hazy breach
Im fairly sure it doesnt, are you talking about MoP?
In that case i wouldnt recommend this discord as its focused on retail tww/midnight
vale pine
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
bleak wind
do we have any info if aug works negatively with sub, I can't really prove it but from a month+ of playing with aug I feel like it just takes too much damage
alpine wraith
aug just does not do a lot dmg not because of sub tbh
but i dont remember if they ever fixed sec tech with it
hazy breach
I dont think it takes anything for sub specifically
warm marlin
do we have any info if aug works negatively with sub, I can't really prove it bu...
All the log stuff should work according to the GitHub page
bleak wind
I haven't seen a single top log where a sub is being auged
warm marlin
But sub is a vers spec so it’s naturally gonna benefit a bit less
maiden oar
is scalecommander innocent
bleak wind
not even sure what you need to look at
maiden oar
or is that guy evil too
i assume theres no way its the hero talent too right
(idk how evoker works)
bleak wind
no idea what hero spec they play
warm marlin
I think most of the aug bugs are positive for the non aug as well right
hazy breach
What about other specs
Because from what i call tell there shouldnt be anything, unless the underlying calculations are incorrect
In which case it should affect other specs too
bleak wind
I might just be getting way too washed, but all my good logs recently are when the aug is benched
and it would be a crazy coinsidence
warm marlin
There’s def crazy variance this tier
hazy breach
Maybe they do the armor calculations incorrectly with find weakness or something idk 
bleak wind
I don't even know how to check if its correct or not
maiden oar
There’s def crazy variance this tier
this is true
shrewd lantern
at least this late
warm marlin
It’s all troll
shrewd lantern
Just crit every global of your sb windows
warm marlin
40s variance on artoshion push time yesterday 🙂 in 4 pulls
maiden oar
yea sometimes i feel like how well i personally play has nothing to do with the outocme
warm marlin
It’s mostly dimmy nexus tbf
maiden oar
Also am i the only person who logic alpha sims a loss for
for some reason for me it was bad on droptimizer but good if i manually added it on top gear
and once i had the item it was good on droptimizer
i dont know why thats the csse
shrewd lantern
also @maiden oar theres a log in the top 5 iirc for nk that got no autumn and just ripped on cd
but he also did like 500m to reapers
maiden oar
also <@573407485218521088> theres a log in the top 5 iirc for nk that got no aut...
yeah i think thats correct
shrewd lantern
shrewd lantern
well the kill time is arguably not "good"
since his next flag should have came up
as boss died
maiden oar
It’s mostly dimmy nexus tbf
on loom we had a tank die w no brez and i thought it was a wipe so i was kinda checked out and we just went for the clear anyway and sacced taunt classes for the clear
i did not play well
and i went INSANE nonetheless
i think theres a slot machine mechanic for sure
maiden oar
well the kill time is arguably not "good"
oh i meant the 500m
shrewd lantern
maiden oar
tbh its fine if that happens though
shrewd lantern
look at his kill time and cd sends
chrome palm
!tricks
wicked joltBOT
Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0
yeah i agree w that
think its correct w no autumn
maiden oar
slow kt if its most recent onr
maiden oar
sending on cd *would* be good
i think u definitely wait for flag on amp though
shrewd lantern
but you miss having cds for like the first 10s of dragon burn
how long is the dragon burn btw
maiden oar
to answer ur earlier question
idk but if he doesnt die u can do 3 dances still
depends on if u hit the tiny man or the dragon during p2
shrewd lantern
yeah you mean skip the 1:30 set and wait for platform
maiden oar
no
i mean just auto him for the first part of the amp until flags back
or rupture vanish strike flag bp
shrewd lantern
oh you meant just afking for the early part yeah
alpine wraith
you can dance 4 times on dragon
shrewd lantern
i played the p3 burn wrong this week
didnt get my second sectec off
bleh
feels i can only send one dance on pargoth safely then go into prep mode for the burn
maiden oar
are u waiting for widns to go to p3
shrewd lantern
how many supercharged spenders can you hold btw?
maiden oar
theoretically a ton but i wouldnt do more than 2
shrewd lantern
we gate to dodge 2nd meteor on pargoth's
warm marlin
but idk how much 500m to reapers is
Kind of a lot
maiden oar
land -> bs spam him and make sure i have coup if i dont -> cloak dance cb sectech coup the adds -> dance again for 2nd add set
maiden oar
if i pushed artoshion so fast
then i can land and immediately dance
then prep for add dance
but usually im not full of charges
so it depends
shrewd lantern
yeah im not sure if waiting for adds to spawn to send cb sectec in dance on pargoth's
maiden oar
if ur not waiting for winds honestly just send 2nd dance earlier probably
maiden oar
yeah im not sure if waiting for adds to spawn to send cb sectec in dance on parg...
for 2nd conq cross probably not
but for first conq cross absolutely
maiden oar
so evil
shrewd lantern
on platform?
warm marlin
Yes
shrewd lantern
i did that once on nk in prog
it was funny
i also didnt have forge yet so i also had
warm marlin
The reapers died at 3:08
shrewd lantern
antenna agi
warm marlin
🙂
shrewd lantern
i feel the biggest offender padder spec
is ret
@maiden oar ngl our push is way too fast now i dont think i can even cd a second time on p1 anymore
maiden oar
<@573407485218521088> ngl our push is way too fast now i dont think i can even c...
hehe
get buyers
more buyer more stronger
shrewd lantern
and i think i gotta hold my prism
i tried sending on p1 and i only had 14 stacks
going into platform 3 burn
😭
maiden oar
i tried sending on p1 and i only had 14 stacks
sometimes its like that
shrewd lantern
yeah the amount of downtime on this boss
pranks you into thinking you'll have prism stacks back
warm marlin
They are not tuning shit
maiden oar
then SURELY u can just flag 1 p1 flag 2 p2.1
warm marlin
They’re gone
shrewd lantern
idk if they wanted to nerf p1
they should have nerfed living mass hp
never heard a guild struggle on the hp of the boss
warm marlin
There are prob more devs working on whatever is after tlt than tww
maiden oar
hehe
maiden oar
tbh with midnight assa i dont care as much
i just dont wanna play assa right now because of the 4pc bug and because the st rotation is insane boring
maiden oar
i dunno
my first season raiding in this game was lou
i have 0 historical context
but rn i think assa st is very boring so i dont like it BUT in midnight it looks like itll be more interesting so its ok
maiden oar
me too but i like farm bc i like sub rogue
shrewd lantern
maiden oar
the pvp tier sets for rogue this season are nice
but ive nbever pvped in my life so idk if its worth the attempt
shrewd lantern
i killed some evoker from 80% in 2 gcds because i got 4 tail coin flips
maiden oar
and i wear clown anyway
maiden oar
shrewd lantern
well the forced flips from dm
maiden oar
and the other one is too but that one is too hard if ive never pvped
shrewd lantern
s2 elite weapons were so butt
they picked purple colors of the lou weapons
💀
s1 was white but barely different from the black/grey of mythic of s1
maiden oar
evil guys
shrewd lantern
its just alot of the playerbase doesnt understand how rogue works
they dont understand the coinflips are more dangerous than deathmark
maiden oar
i wouldnt have guessed that either
shrewd lantern
applies everywhere, people kind of dont know how rogue works
besides feint and cloak are goodge buttons
shrewd lantern
<:glorpgue:1419056370602348615>
somehow we dont have the pepestab emote
yet pally discord does
maiden oar
odd...
warm marlin
haughty mural
somehow we dont have the pepestab emote
civic lava
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
plush roost
just mouseover
#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,exists][] Shadowstep
Mouseover step, and if no valid mouseover steps to current target
jade oasis
#showtooltip Shadowstep
/cast [@mouseover,exists][] Shadowstep
ty goat
wait why is sub going vers now
plush roost
Subs gone versa forever
Crit was really good when we had seal fate but that was df s2
mystic ether
A second 730 dagger is useless because of the ascendance embellishment, right?
shrewd lantern
A second 730 dagger is useless because of the ascendance embellishment, right?
No in some setups you don't use ascendance
alot of people opt for double duskthread or double lens by now
mystic ether
Is that purely for ST or does it work in dungeons too ?
shrewd lantern
threads is technically better for aoe
pretty sure the difference is minor either way
lens benefits from the fact you can put it on any crafted item too
the tldr is the difference is incredibly insignificant
jade oasis
Subs gone versa forever
oh i see
maiden oar
A second 730 dagger is useless because of the ascendance embellishment, right?
double lens sims good for me
but some of that is probably bc i have never seen a single one of the good m+ rings in my vault so having my crafted slots be ring + neck is nice
hazy breach
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
chrome palm
@willow pawn dont steal my spot wtf 😭
jaunty heath
hey guys wanted a quick one, during aoe do we do same single target rotation or do we use black powder as our spender instead?
willow pawn
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
jaunty heath
thank you mate ❤️
chrome palm
you also spread rupture while gathering mobs
jaunty heath
to easy thank you heaps
jaunty heath
you also spread rupture while gathering mobs
when youre spreading always max cp or just send it?
chrome palm
yeah max
chilly spire
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
brave monolith
Is there a specific reason some top logs use their trinkets like this in p3 dimensius? Is it just to get max trinket usage within p3? Or something more specific?
warm marlin
you only get 2 casts of blades anyway, better to use prism again on the second one and hold blades a little since a 10 stack prism > forge, if you forge the dance there you still have pot/lust running etc
brave monolith
Oki makes sense tyvm
shrewd lantern
you only get 2 casts of blades anyway, better to use prism again on the second o...
just get the guild to hold+buyer to cd every platform 
jade oasis
my ss is always going on target rather than mouseover
prisma sparrow
What is used for AoE, Black Powder or Eviscerate? I saw in some videos that Black Powder hits the damage cap more than Eviscerate
chrome palm
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
jade oasis
is there any target count where it’s more worth to cast bp over just eviscerating prio targets?
hazy breach
Read the message right above yours
jade oasis
Read the message right above yours
so it doesn’t matter what needs to die first, it’s just better to bp?
i’m confused
hazy breach
At 4 targets BP does more damage overall than eviscerate
plain void
so it doesn’t matter what needs to die first, it’s just better to bp?
ig if you're trying to time a key and your group lacks prio damage then use eviscerate?
just depends on if the elite is living longer than the rest of the mobs
hazy breach
Fwiw theres not a huge difference in prio between eviscerating and BPing
Its like 5% more prio at the cost of 5% overall
Obviously could still be worthwhile, but not as often as people might expect
fleet acorn
anyone using on nexus king mythic/dimensius - wax + oil?
queen canyon
Can't see Simulationcraft in beta?
hazy breach
Its not implemented for beta yet
hazy breach
#midnight-subtlety has a lot of discussion
normal sundial
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
normal sundial
what poisions do iuse in m+?
narrow night
what poisions do iuse in m+?
if you are lazy just use atrophic otherwise you swap the non-lethal depending on the key
vale pine
what poisions do iuse in m+?
you always use instant poison as your main poison
you might switch to wound poison temporarely for certain dungeon passages, like the first part of gambit
for utility poisons, both atrophic and number are fine
evry high keys, you likely want to use atrophic because damage numbers get absurd
for your 10-15 key, numbing might actually be slightly better
you can't go wrong, so don't overthink it
sour horizon
good thing I never think!
civic swallow
Is it faster to level in Lemix or live with time ways active?
quaint lodge
you might switch to wound poison temporarely for certain dungeon passages, like ...
fuu do you know the dps difference between wound and instant
warm marlin
fuu do you know the dps difference between wound and instant
small
like sub 0.5% in st probably
quaint lodge
Sounds abt right
vale pine
^ as ryldd mentioned, the diffrence is fairly small, so nothing to worry about
fallow nimbus
What ever mic your headphones have
slate lantern
any chad gamers in the chat can drop mic recommendations
i just use like a $10 clip on mic cause i use good headphones not a headset, there are corded and wireless ones but i feel like it does the job just fine
twin quartz
I use an antlion modmic attached to a pair of hifiman sundara headphones. Great combo
slate lantern
I use an antlion modmic attached to a pair of hifiman sundara headphones. Great ...
ayy sundara
i need new pads on mine tho, they are falling apart
maiden oar
do u need a dac/amp for that or does it work fine plugged into ur motherboard
i just use 6xx and apple dongle 
twin quartz
You probably should have an amp for the sundara. It’s about equal loudness to a sennheiser hd600 at the same volume setting
So if your solution powers a sennheiser 600 satisfactorily you’re probably okay
jade oasis
any chad gamers in the chat can drop mic recommendations
what’s your budget
my favorite mic ever is a beacn mic
hey guys i’ve been having an issue with cd timings on salad bar
i get my cds back like 12 seconds into the amp, and my cds last throughout the last bit of the amp
is this ok?
tame terrace
if u dont have autumn yea its fine
the only way to line it up with the beginning of kings hunger without autumn is to hold ur 2nd set of cds until platforms
jade oasis
the only way to line it up with the beginning of kings hunger without autumn is ...
yeah that seems aids
tame terrace
otherwise u need 1 blessing of autumn after ur first set of cds
jade oasis
what’s autumn
tame terrace
yea
jade oasis
i’m about to dm my hpal
tame terrace
u pretty much just need 1 autumn at like 45-50seconds so that the rest of ur cds line up properly
tame terrace
too bad sub rog doesnt matter anymore
jade oasis
u pretty much just need 1 autumn at like 45-50seconds so that the rest of ur cds...
oh yeah
tame terrace
nice
jade oasis
nah i meant like the season itself lol
tame terrace
#6 holds their second set of cds lol
otherwise everyone just sends with/without autumn
i held to make platforms easier
bc we dont have a hpal
fossil forge
what’s your budget
Ive done some digging
Either getting the shure mv6 or elgato wave3
cursive tundra
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
cursive tundra
!wa
wicked joltBOT
cursive tundra
!up
wicked joltBOT
cursive tundra
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
odd salmon
How bad would it be trying sub with dagger mainhand and sword offhand incase i dont like it more than outlaw?
still got barely any gear and trying to see which of the specs i like the most and what would be most versatile for dungeons / delves / raids
Outlaw seems kinda rough to play and seems to do terribly in raids
wicked joltBOT
Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.
keen dome
Not worth it.
vale pine
How bad would it be trying sub with dagger mainhand and sword offhand incase i d...
a blue dagger in offhand will be better than the best non dagger
if that helps
upper cosmos
I'm not sure on how to use cloak in dimi p3 aside from ignoring lines. Is there a better use for it? like can I ignore the 4th inverse gravity and pull to have more uptime with cloak?
warm marlin
i was just saving it in case i messed up or one of the inverse people messed up
it will immune inverse gravity if you're outside the circle
shrewd lantern
i was just saving it in case i messed up or one of the inverse people messed up
it doesnt immune being sucked into him right
warm marlin
no
vale pine
you still need to keep your distance ^^
shrewd lantern
does it immune the tank pull at least
distant sage
how undertuned is ds on the live patch compared to trickster
chrome palm
ds probably gets beat by tanks
trickster is already some of the worst st in the game, ds is going to be worse
and aoe which is what trickster is good at, is a sore spot for ds
distant sage
like if it isnt too too garbadge i would be down limit testing it in a +17
shrewd lantern
Well the entire reason sub is ok rn
is held up by trickster
ds gotta be one of the most boring hero trees of all time
chrome palm
like if it isnt too too garbadge i would be down limit testing it in a +17
good luck
chrome palm
yeah its abandonware
chrome palm
last i checked outlaw and assa are better but im not a pvper
distant sage
ye same only did assa pvp for the elite mog
distant sage
distant sage
it didnt have to go this hard ngl
distant sage
man this is just too grim
distant sage
mental prep for midnight
shrewd lantern
Its basically a different class
distant sage
ye i know but it kinda plays the same
no flag and dance and symbols are just one button
shrewd lantern
I mean ds itself doesnt change playstyle much
you finish at max every 4th always
ig
distant sage
if not preparation outlaw it is
shrewd lantern
unless sub gets wild tuning
distant sage
ill make it stimulating myself
chrome palm
im fully expecting to be in assa jail
why do you say this
chrome palm
most bosses in the raid require you to leave the boss to hit adds
shrewd lantern
without tiersets etc
unless hardswaps to adds are required
which feels like the only downside to assa
chrome palm
its required on many fights
distant sage
i think there isnt any pure st boss
chrome palm
that depends on when youre progging it
shrewd lantern
idk im jaded and feel blizz just gives assa a perma reacharound
most seasons
XD
chrome palm
if you progged as assa early, assa was useless on rik
and doing barrel damage was like the one thing sub was good at in that raid
shrewd lantern
Yeah you could only spatter barrels near you
so depended how much comp needed barrel damage
chrome palm
its the same every tier, assa is more competitve when adds dont live
shrewd lantern
I guess sub was decent at oab assistants?
chrome palm
it was better than assa
chrome palm
but unless assa is VERY overtuned you wont see it until like half way through the raid
unless adds are just a non issue but they seem like the main mechanic of most fights
shrewd lantern
spatter is just a wildly powerful single point i feel
distant sage
tbh i didnt really raid last season i started playing in it but this season it felt nice to prog as assa or sub(we dont talk about outlaw)
shrewd lantern
I mean sub was very good early prog for last 2
became less of a thing once we stacked aura buffs and more ilvl
chrome palm
it was good on early prog for soulbinder and araz as well
cursive tundra
quick question about the coup the grace optimization...
let's say I go into a pack with Coup de Grace ready, with trinket + flag + sb also all ready. in what order do I press buttons as to not "eat" unseen blade stacks/procs?
do I just follow the normal Flag + Rupture + SD + Backstab + SB into rotation? doesn't feel quite right
also, who are some good sub streamers who I could watch on twitch or youtube to analyze some pulls and learn stuff?
shrewd lantern
Yeah araz early prog
vs now
holy misery
i havent done araz in like 2 months
i suspect gonna have a shit time as sub this late
I might have gotten closer to ryldd if we didnt get a second intermission
on the good farm week
distant sage
in our two measly kills on araz i got the add spawn in 2 of my cds so that felt disgusting
chrome palm
quick question about the coup the grace optimization...
let's say I go into a pa...
youre normally only concerned about saving unseen blades immediately after casting secret technique and between the casts of coup
distant sage
quick question about the coup the grace optimization...
let's say I go into a pa...
you can just do the normal thing if u dont want to eat the proc just shuriken storm it
chrome palm
so you can strike and spread ruptures and backstab in dance before casting secret technique
shrewd lantern
I didnt have double on use though so idk how much better that was
did prism on burn only
cursive tundra
yeah so i just go into normal "opener" and then shuriken between the two coups from 4pc
cursive tundra
huhh?
shrewd lantern
Cast sectec before a wipe
dont do anything else
You keep the 2 disorienting stacks through death
cursive tundra
uh yeah so this is about m+ if it wasn't clear
distant sage
how far were you guys pushing ur m+ keys this season
shrewd lantern
whatever gives highest vault because its a waste of time if not going for title
cursive tundra
i just started playing sub like 3 weeks ago
or any rogue for that matter just got fed up of not being able to do much on WW as it stands
shrewd lantern
If they gave actual rewards for doing keys past 3k i might
its basically useless if not going for title though
dry plank
Playing the game is useless. Copium. That’s why queue is so dead I guess
shrewd lantern
I mean at high range why would you ever pug
thats where you network and make friends
dry plank
What is high range? What network? It is very miserable to be not meta class. No one wants to play with you. People around you want rio and do not apply into easy keys
shrewd lantern
20/21s
title range
stop pugging then
playing a multiplayer to be antisocial is a choice
title needs to stop being account wide
distant sage
after 17 its really hard finding keys
even if you are a meta spec
at this point of the season
dry plank
Why should i stop? I like playing. You just don’t know what you are talking about
shrewd lantern
Im talking finding people to make a group with not treating the game like a solo queue experience
I think its a societal problem where people think its ok to just queue up for something and never talk to other people
distant sage
ye but there is something special pugging with randoms and everyone doing what they are supposed to do
distant sage
pug psf 17 in time trust me
shrewd lantern
its always felt more rewarding pushing a goal with people you genuinely like imo
distant sage
when ppl get in the flow it really is special
thats true as well
but its a big investment for wow
shrewd lantern
I have a long list of games i’d rather play if i was going for an individualistic goal
Wow was really never meant to be a solo experience and psf has always been a shit dungeon
why people voted it back is beyond braindead
distant sage
ye but im at the position where im the only one in the guild pushing these type of keys
so i cant turn to my guild for a group my irls play until 3.2k at max a can only find ppl while pugging
shrewd lantern
At that point you have to start meeting people outside of guildies tbh
idk crazy to me m+ has even less reward brackets than pvp
distant sage
and navigating when we can all play is really a clusterfuck
slate lantern
so i cant turn to my guild for a group my irls play until 3.2k at max a can only...
stopping at 3.2k is based
distant sage
stopping at 3.2k is based
true
shrewd lantern
I dont even understand why title is acc wide
pvp r1 is still singular character tied
distant sage
is CE acc wide
shrewd lantern
Yeah but CE is just an fos
shrewd lantern
Idk gearing isnt hard
distant sage
trust most players are boosted by gear
i had a FDK die 7 times to magic damage in psf
shrewd lantern
Some players delude themselves into thinking they’re only stopped by gear from doing the keys people who win tgp have
disregarding the skill canyon
distant sage
my biggest problem with m+ is the burnout
shrewd lantern
ill respect someone in title range on feral infinitely more than a dk
its why i hate title being acc wide
distant sage
ill respect someone in title range on feral infinitely more than a dk
big facts
distant sage
it would be cool to have class titles
shrewd lantern
like thats the thing i can see a pvp title and respect it more when they play something
that was genuinely hard to reach that from that season
shrewd lantern
in 7 out of 8 +17 ive had a bm hunter
yeah welcome to account wide
0 downside to playing fotm
shrewd lantern
class/spec locked titles would partly prevent it idk
because people cant use it then on toons they want to play
maiden oar
So if your solution powers a sennheiser 600 satisfactorily you’re probably okay
ty ty
did not mean to ignore u just forgot
twin quartz
No worries
upper cosmos
the extra last pull of the night we voted for
vale pine
the extra last pull of the night we voted for
big congrats, how many pulls did you end up on?
upper cosmos
Personally 82 but I was trialing for a guild doing reclear and helping fill in for another friends guild on prog on my other rogue
vale pine
ah, thats nice
short radish
Personally 82 but I was trialing for a guild doing reclear and helping fill in f...
82 is a lot less than this guild
plush roost
82 is a lot less than this guild
short radish
keen dome
82 is a lot less than this guild
I believe in them. They're so close to 1000. The 1000th pull will be the one
Incredible determination
short radish
vale pine
800 pulls sounds brutal
short radish
the guy in that guild said they took 1k pulls for fyrakk
sly shore
that's nuts
we had our last raid of the year on sunday
we did it drunk too
we couldn't kill fractillus
but we did have challenges to do on each boss
I spelled the word cock with bleach 
a level of micro whilst not getting hit/doing mechanics whilst drunk I've never known
keen dome
lmao, that rules
short radish
what the fuck lmao
vale pine
smells like whiping to me ^^
alpine wraith
they did wipe a lot likely
sly shore
We were pretty smashed too
THere is one plexus wipe unnaccounted for
because of the "take most damage" challenge
They do be taking dammy
had these too
rip did not have fun 
he was getting gripped and swap blasted on every boss and trash
tidal marsh
ayy, big up team two
tender dust
ayy, big up team two
Wait how do you know???
tidal marsh
Wait how do you know???
In another AD guild myself, saw some guildies posting about their prog on Sunday
tidal marsh
They linked one of their streams and it had 566 pulls on it, so I just remembered it and was like "I wonder if that's the same guild"
tender dust
Haha no idea the guild
Was on AD lol
tidal marsh
Fair, a lot of their raiders aren't either
but I guess my guildies look at realm rankings or something
or have old friends from there or summin
¯_(ツ)_/¯
plush roost
This is amazing holy
keen dome
AD is a magical realm
chrome elbow
Hello, I’m new to Sub Rogue.
The part I struggle with the most is getting back to 2 stacks of Dance and 3 stacks of Symbols for my Shadowblades, outside of the first pack.
Everything feels so desynced that I end up trying to hold cooldowns, and I think that actually makes things worse.
Could you point me toward a good resource to learn this properly?
vale pine
the best way to think of it is in this rythm
hazy breach
You do not need 3 stacks of symbols, only 2
vale pine
cooldowns usually follow the pattern:
- Dance Dance (during blades/flagellation), Dance, Dance
- Dance Dance (during blades/flagellation), Dance
This repeats after.
Every Dance is with one Secret technique and one symbols of death in the sequence.
If you want a mark to aim for before your major cooldowns come off cd.
- You want to have ONE stack of Shadow Dance and 30 seconds or less remaining on the second charge
- You want to have close to 2 stacks of Symbols of Death.
serene notch
For you title gamers, do any of you purely pug? I can’t remember who said it, but there does seem to be a wall of about 2 below max keys for pure pugging.
quaint lodge
!wa
wicked joltBOT
distant sage
what are pros and cons for cold blood sub compared tea sub
bleak night
cb makes your hands blue and tea doesnt
distant sage
cb makes your hands blue and tea doesnt
slate lantern
what are pros and cons for cold blood sub compared tea sub
cb like slightly better st, tea slightly better aoe
slate lantern
For you title gamers, do any of you purely pug? I can’t remember who said it, bu...
the venn diagram of the type of people who are pushing for title and toxic players is a nearly complete circle
fleet acorn
hey guys thats prob a quick answered question, but when i update raid weakaura like liquid and i moved some misc. stuff around is it safe to update like that? or should i disable display too?
vale pine
with misc you mean parts of the liquid pack or not?
fleet acorn
yes
vale pine
i mean, just update it
and if anything breaks
can still delete the set and import again
worse case
fleet acorn
okay thanks will do a export before thats a good idea
wild hornet
because of the "take most damage" challenge
DKs need to be banned from that event
trust
swift tinsel
hey guys thats prob a quick answered question, but when i update raid weakaura l...
as long as you don't check Size and Position you should be fine
I do the same thing, I resize and move everything
sly shore
hey guys thats prob a quick answered question, but when i update raid weakaura l...
import it all ticked because you control all the visual aspects with the anchors anyway
if you control how stuff looks in the pack itself, you done fucked up
fleet acorn
no thats wrong u cant move with anchors all the "Miscellaneous weakauras"
theres no anchor assigned to these
placid elk
on dimi p2 do you send cds on add as soon as you land or hold ~10s for when adds spawn?
fiery cypress
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
paper iron
hey guys thats prob a quick answered question, but when i update raid weakaura l...
Iirc when i was playing, you must have a secondary pack that is call anchor liquid or smtg. It s that one you move arround and change sizes without it get overwritten by updates
fleet acorn
Iirc when i was playing, you must have a secondary pack that is call anchor liqu...
did u not read what i have written=? im only talking about miscellaneous has no anchors
i have the anchor package and everything else is moveable
paper iron
Used to be. But also i havent played in a year so dont quote me on that
quaint lodge
on dimi p2 do you send cds on add as soon as you land or hold ~10s for when adds...
P2 usage is kinda dependent on your raid
A lot if people skip add #2 flag usage so its up for damage amp
and use it on platform 1
sacred gull
hey guys, is it true that you can be out of range from the logs recorder if you play different platform on Nexus ? My roster thinks logs are not very accurate because of this
alpine wraith
yes if you are too far it is not logged
novel tulip
!guides
novel tulip
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
novel tulip
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
novel tulip
!up
wicked joltBOT
novel tulip
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
novel tulip
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
novel tulip
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
novel tulip
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
novel tulip
!design
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".
novel tulip
!wa
wicked joltBOT
novel tulip
!atro
wicked joltBOT
Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <
novel tulip
!loot
wicked joltBOT
novel tulip
!tier
wicked joltBOT
Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.
novel tulip
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
brave harbor
!wa
wicked joltBOT
pallid jackal
Do you backstab after every shadow dance / symbols combo?
I have been that in the logs
alpine wraith
you can do it once to get a stack of DM
you dont always do it but it is a thing to think about
twin quartz
Yeah plus it’s a super efficient use of premeditation
pallid jackal
What is like the best dps wise?
tidal marsh
Backstabbing there is a DPS loss, the top logs just do it 'cause uhhhh they want the challenge of parsing while playing suboptimally
warm marlin
What is like the best dps wise?
it's a 1% gain or something to use premed on backstab yes
hollow spear
Doing that might get you from a 92 parse to a 93 parse if you're lucky. It won't turn a 54 into a 99 tho 😄
tulip folio
!wa
wicked joltBOT
short aurora
upper cosmos
I was looking through some old SS last night and had something similar
fallow nimbus
Your gold is missing a few zeros 
versed hawk
if i got 2 675 daggers is it better to craft 2 daggers first or the ammulet and 1 weapon (everything is ilvl 675)
fallow nimbus
Mainhand is best, oh is whatever. Craft mh and neck
Spam m+ and you can craft every slot
versed hawk
ty
pallid jackal
it's a 1% gain or something to use premed on backstab yes
Is that always the case?
And when coup de grace is up, do you sd / symbols into st or do you use it so you can shadowstrike in dance as the first builder?
pallid jackal
And do you shadowstrike dimensius right at the start at say heroic?
In the logs they do that
warm marlin
Is that always the case?
yep (unless find weakness isnt up)
warm marlin
And when coup de grace is up, do you sd / symbols into st or do you use it so yo...
either sd/symbol into backstab->st->strike->coup or just sd/symbol->st->backstab->coup
warm marlin
And do you shadowstrike dimensius right at the start at say heroic?
idk if the things happen faster on heroic but on mythic its safe as long as you walk out of the way fast
vivid linden
anyone have a findweakness addon. the one posted on Wowhead doesnt seem to want to load anymore.
normal sundial
is the coup grace tracker important so u dont interrupt it or smt``?
chrome palm
no, it cant be interrupted because its not a channel, it just has 0.2s longer gcd
normal sundial
ah okey ty
chrome palm
the hits are delayed though, so if youre casting it at the last gcd of dance 1 in blades, make sure you hit dance again before the last hit
(the last hit is also the strongest hit)
normal sundial
fair enough. does it ever refund CP or is that the other proc
chrome palm
its a (bug?), any of the hits can refund with shadowcraft if you hit 7 shadow techniques between casting it and last hit
normal sundial
ahh that makes sense ty
chrome palm
i like to spam evis really fast and a builder slightly less fast if i am expecting a refund
idk if its foolproof but i imagine it spell queues the builder and overrides it with a finisher if you get the refund, could be wrong but its worked for me so far
normal sundial
Sounds legit, so u dont miss out
chrome palm
sim everything but haste
hazy vigil
how much damage is sub loosing from the tier set removal?
hazy breach
Thats not relevant
The reason theyre removing the tiersets is because the prepatch also brings the midnight class changes
chrome palm
we are losing shadow craft and getting a nerfed shadow blades
i dont think we are going to be good at all in pre patch
its just going to be dk and casters running circles around everyone
but who knows
sub in prepatch is just a far worse spec than on live
hazy breach
Idk what we are gonna do with haste, sure you get longer dance
But the extra sht you generate aint gonna do shit
chrome palm
i mean shadow techniques dont really matter without the apex
i wonder what energy is like at zero haste in prepatch
chrome palm
no instantaneous energy from symbols, increased builder cost
you can already run out of energy in dance in m+
hazy breach
Well MoS pretty much counteracts the symbols energy
chrome palm
yeah i think you still will need to pool 1-2s maybe
hazy breach
But ~30% more attack speed is very noticeable
fervent leaf
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
azure thicket
hey do we hold netherprism for the add phase on saladbar
i have 10 stacks into 3rd ghost phase and just send but is it worth pooling overcapping a lil to melt trash,
latent finch
if you need add dmg you can do it. Otherwise you can hold on platform and have max stack for the burn
plush roost
hey do we hold netherprism for the add phase on saladbar
If youre araz + prism. No. It lines up so that you araz pull, prism ghosties, araz platform, prism burn.
If youre single on use, its pretty much if your guild is struggling to kill platforms. Then you would skip the 2nd cd set, 18 platforms and 9stack burn
cursive tundra
question about cold blood. if I press CB into Sectech, can I still use abilities while sectech lands?
like
CB -> sectech -> Shadowstrike etc to continue my rota
shadowstrike deals damage sooner then sectech, will that consume my cb, or cb is consumed on cast?
quaint lodge
shadowstrike deals damage sooner then sectech, will that consume my cb, or cb is...
cb consumed on cast
you can continue ur rotation
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
hazy breach
question about cold blood. if I press CB into Sectech, can I still use abilities...
Yes
The clones from sectech lands after 1s and 1.3, but once youve pressed sectech cold blood is consumed
normal sundial
!wa
wicked joltBOT
normal sundial
!commands
spring gate
Hi rogues, i have a noob question
why is it possible to double eviscerate at this point
how does that happen
and can i control or see it when i can double finish?
before i press my first finisher
small juniper
yes
small juniper
Hi rogues, i have a noob question
shadow tech
vivid linden
**__Subtlety WAs's:__**
Class packs:
> ### <:fuu:1184251947352608768> [Fuu's](<h...
that find weakness and target weakaura doesnt work attempted to redownload and make sure all options for combat are working . just wont load hasnt fora week now
latent finch
Both work perfectly for me. Also tested with redownloading.
Is your wa addon up to date?
vale pine
shadowcraft
there is a certain randomness to it, but you should get combo point resets in the opener
normal sundial
is there any benfit to using dagger or can i use mace?
keen dome
!oh
wicked joltBOT
Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.
keen dome
You want to use a dagger in both hands.
vale pine
basically, a green dagger from the auction house is better than any 1h weapon
simply becaue of attack speed diffrence
keen dome
It doesn't apply on every fight either which is even funnier
sly shore
It's only large npc's I think
sly shore
But, even the human sized npc's have been scaled so it works on them too
it's very funny
may just be world marked mobs
keen dome
It doesn't work on Epicus Maximus, either
sly shore
cos it only worked on open world
keen dome
may just be world marked mobs
That's a really good theory, yeah. I think it has to be that
sly shore
non-boss enemies
keen dome
Yeah
sly shore
Elite only
wispy pebble
is there any good replacement in midnight for poison weakaura reminders?
hollow egret
This SB bug being in brawlers guild is funny
What’s this bug?
sly shore
Just does a fuckload more damage than intended
bleak night
ye shadowblades scales weirdly in open world
so in brawlers guild you kinda just one shot everything with blades doing half your damage
vale pine
Just does a fuckload more damage than intended
do you need a pvp talent to trigger it or is it just always?
bleak night
happens without pvp talents
i just assume its a side effect of open world mob scaling like how sudden demise just doesnt work
vale pine
possible, i still need to do the brawlers guild before pre patch
because its a lot easier with current burst
bleak night
yeah there were only a couple bosses who even survived long enough for me to press my last sectec in blades
sly shore
Its very easy anyway dw
vale pine
Its very easy anyway dw
it wasn't hard last time around, i just cba because of the long waiting times
sly shore
I logged in this morning and it was just me and another guy
vale pine
i hoped that there is less players during the holidays
limpid sage
ye shadowblades scales weirdly in open world
Thought this was a karesh open world thing
But I haven’t done open world anywhere else since 11.2 either ig
bleak night
idk dippy kinda got his ass beat by blades
spark crystal
where can i find some talents for beta for sub rogue?
vale pine
we currently don't provide suggestions in order to allow people to experiment
tho talent setups are fairly obviouse in terms of whats good and not
pallid jackal
!trinkets
How often are you pressing unyielding netherprism in a fight?
do you just macro it with shadow blades?
wet echo
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
pallid jackal
And do you use unyielding netherprism on the platform on nexus king even though shadow blades might not be up?
chrome palm
Only use with shadow blades or if boss is about to die
fallow nimbus
Always use trinkets with cds. An 18 stack prism for a dmg amp is big
chrome palm
Takes 180s to fully stack so you can hold that amount depending on where you would do the most damage or be the most useful
You can fully stack it to 18 for the platform on nexus king but you’re losing 18 stacks on the boss to do this
pallid jackal
how long does it take to typically stack it?
yeah true, but in case cds don't align with shadow blades and you want to maximize add damage
warm marlin
if its your only trinket on NK I would probably hold it for the amp
you can send at 90s and 4:30 on mythic
willow oasis
whats bis trinket for raid and mythic for sub rogue
umm Araz's Ritual Forge or Astral Antenna
hello?
brave monolith
Hi
shrewd lantern
whats bis trinket for raid and mythic for sub rogue
prism+2nd is situation dependent
@tepid trellis yk weird thing i thought about, why does forge sim so much better for havoc than prism for fs
is the opener use that important
willow oasis
i have to do a loom on normal i thought after i did 4 mythics i would be able to get it im gonna cry 💔
i have prism but i see on icy veins and wow head that astral antenna is best or should i get lily?
hmmm
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
shrewd lantern
i have to do a loom on normal i thought after i did 4 mythics i would be able to...
an antenna on normal would lose to a pacemaker on hero
double on use generally refers to prism+forge exclusively, with some niche timers like 3:30 kill times maybe favoring lily to lily lily prism your cd sets
tepid trellis
<@83652604344664064> yk weird thing i thought about, why does forge sim so much ...
FS is more upfront bursty thats why
it also values crit very highly
shrewd lantern
yeah i assumed its because the upfront agi of forge lets you rip your surges before the decay?
tepid trellis
yeh
shrewd lantern
even if prism is net more stat per use
shrewd lantern
well know your enemy makes crit basically also versa
the damage component at least
tepid trellis
also im pretty sure if you were to not lust on pull
prism would be better
but im no havoc tc
i just play for split fodder
shrewd lantern
prism generally gets used by aldrachi players yeah
uhh wounded quarry funnel for araz for example
i was just more curious why prism sims so piss for their burst spec
tepid trellis
ive done 0 research into how to actually play havoc
i just press buttons and it shows xD
shrewd lantern
i just press buttons and it shows xD
yeah same im real bad at wounded quarry funnel on AR
allegedly according to logs
but i can play fs fine
vale pine
i just press buttons and it shows xD
are you having fun at least?
vale pine
im doing it cuz i have to
shrewd lantern
not because i want to
surprised you didnt just make another rogue
shrewd lantern
yeah i assumed their dh would play one for splits
rogue is likely the only class you dont need on farm
ig hunter but mechanic bitch
warm marlin
Hunter mark getting biggie buff in midnight too
shrewd lantern
its kind of funny how we went from years of aura mastery being mandatory in prog
to "its not bad"
i definitely heard healers complain alot about how 2 healer slots on prog were always hpal/priest
then adjust rest of healing comp on tuning
shrewd lantern
Hunter mark getting biggie buff in midnight too
yeah maybe i level mine from sl
then get bored and become bomb boy entire expac
lofty saffron
Will it still be 2 dances and 2 sectech during blades in midnight given the CD and haste changes?
swift tinsel
Will it still be 2 dances and 2 sectech during blades in midnight given the CD a...
2 dances yes, 2 sectech unlikely unless you manage to get obscene haste
at least not supercharging 2x
cursive tundra
question, for high-ish keys, do you prefer netherprism + antenna/pacemaker or netherprism + araz?
i feel so limited let's say with netherprism + passive when all the big baller bloodlust pulls are usually the first pack
and I have nothing for it
I killed araz on myth recently and I still have 1 more dinar to spend, I could pick that up
currently I have
717 netherprism with no realistic chance of killing fracti on myth
730 antenna
730 pacemaker
latent finch
Fractilus is pretty puggable rn.
I play only in dawnbreaker prism plus araz in all other keys i play with antenna.
But im only doing 19/20s
tidal marsh
Yeah don't listen to him, he's only doing 19/20s
Only listen to resi 21 sub rogues
and nobody else
vale pine
fractilus is very easy, the main problem would be to get to him in pugs
spiral sierra
this might be a general rogue question but ill post it here, if i run out of energy, (mainly as sub rogue) do i just sit on my hands for like 1-3 seconds or do i keep pounding my face on the keyboard? (comeing back to rogue after a good 2-4 months)
uneven scarab
its different for all specs tbh, sub you can kinda just keep slamming for the most part, because when we need energy we have an overflow of it
spiral sierra
awsome, ty
chrome palm
question, for high-ish keys, do you prefer netherprism + antenna/pacemaker or ne...
Prism/Antenna is much better for keys
uneven scarab
Prism is insane for keys
chrome palm
You could use forge in dawnbreaker, but in all keys I would use antenna
shrewd lantern
currently I have
717 netherprism with no realistic chance of killing fracti on m...
Fract is easier than araz
Honestly hc to myth prism is a larger gain than debating myth antenna or forge for the second slot
cursive tundra
really?
fract is a really easy boss
it's not about that, it's my alt and we are not going to reclear for the rest of the season cause we are still progging
i might just buy a fracti dinar boost then
will have to sim
shrewd lantern
dont people pug 5/8 atp
latent finch
They do
frigid depot
So what stats are sub potentially looking for next season?
shrewd lantern
So what stats are sub potentially looking for next season?
agi
tidal marsh
Definitely agi
Definitely some crit, mastery and versatility
Probably some haste too
vale pine
So what stats are sub potentially looking for next season?
you mean midnight or pre patch
if its for pre patch, likely similar to what we have now
if its for midnight, make sure to book the next free slot from your fortune teller of choice
plush roost
Only listen to resi 21 sub rogues
Yeah all those non purchased resi 21 sub rogues.....
Mfw the one resi 21 sub is a chinese buyer oof
chrome palm
Is it really lol
I guess any non meta spec is doomed to being dominated by buyers
It wouldn’t be the first time the rank 1 for sub was a buyer
latent finch
Wasnt there also some drama with him in here?
chrome palm
He was banned a while back but he lurks on his alt still
left ledge
alpine wraith
well he did have an argument with zac
and it did not go well
but i think the ban was after some other things
we will never know what was his endgame
hazy breach
but i think the ban was after some other things
Yeah lets just say the ban happened in june, so you can probably figure out roughly what happened
alpine wraith
yea now i member
i guess if you have those opinions they can stay in your head instead of public places
wild hornet
Mentioning bannable opinions
For anyone that has fiddled with sub in the beta - does the difference in how sub works with the CDs and the lack of flag/symbol hurt sub a lot, does the new gameplay feel like shit?
hazy breach
#midnight-subtlety But it definitely doesnt feel like shit, it plays roughly the same except you're not thinking about "can i send this dance or will it grief my blades?"
plush roost
<#1422984870132580422> But it definitely doesnt feel like shit, it plays roughly...
Roughly the same????
Bro i hit the mobs 25% faster with ⚠️ WARNING SIGNS ⚠️
Peaking
plush roost
If they fix all the ancient art bugs and we arent losing like 30% energy and cp gen
Could be cooool
swift tinsel
I know I certainly wouldn't mind getting all the resources I'm supposed to