But ye, we drag sulleyman left, skip knight, and bait her over there
#subtlety
plush roost
distant sage
question about pushing higher keys while pugging, how do +18 and +19 feel comapred to 17s i dont find it hard to survive in 17s while doing somewhat above average dps and cc whats the biggest difference you guys felt in those keys(i know the question is wierd its my 2nd season of playing wow)
plush roost
question about pushing higher keys while pugging, how do +18 and +19 feel comapr...
You start getting oneshot natty at like 20s, and through feint at 22/23
distant sage
ive done some keys today not timed(sad) i can link the logs all pointers are welcome
plush roost
The things that will kill you id 2 mechanics at once or overlaps, like bolt+curse in dawnbreaker etc
shrewd lantern
basically all the mechanics you could "ignore" prior start to matter more
like missing kicks
distant sage
is it possible to tell by logs if im wasting defensives so to say
distant sage
https://not-even-close.com/
oh nice
charred kestrel
If you didn’t die before the defensive is back off cd then it wasn’t a waste.
ancient escarp
Hello guy's / salut les gars actuellement a la recherche d'un rogue qui peut m'aider a apprendre a joué la classe et partir sur de grosse clef dispo n'importe quand juste dm moi et on voit tout ca / search rogue to learn class if someone have time to help me need to do my main and go high key with it thx all have a great day/night
tribal blade
no shot the reset after i finally get myth track forge it drops in vault
little scaffold
much lower uptime on antenna
plush roost
i feel like u go 2x still but idk
If youre going like really fast, you cd p1, once on arto, then p3 is the 18 stacker
maiden oar
oh ok fastest ive gone is still 2 flag p1
plush roost
Maybe araz can cheese some add damage but idk that shit explodes
plush roost
I miss being able to do that 🙁
plush roost
Ye i did that last week felt kinda shit tho
maiden oar
unfortunate
do u not get a pot in opener
idk if p3 is still post 5m in that scenario
bright elk
what are you guys doing on the 2nd Dimensius platform in p2? my guild doesnt stop dam long enough for me to use cds there i think
plush roost
U either stop dam so u get 2nd winds or u dont send
P3 damage is the only actually relevant damage
tribal blade
if you guys want to have fun, here's a vid from 1 night of my guild's prog when our RL was out
and listen to the banter
vale pine
i love the guild name
tribal blade
i love the guild name
hell yeah 😉
fossil forge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=763IJD9auYM
W content for class
tribal blade
W content for class
i think this is the best video our tank has ever made
fossil forge
quick luh calm breakfast while watching dimmy jail
Absolute perfection
The pissing video at the end
iron obsidian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=763IJD9auYM
GPO mentioned, huge
tribal blade
GPO mentioned, huge
oh shit a stormrager
iron obsidian
oh shit a stormrager
hehehehe
tried apping to GPO a while ago
never heard anything back tho
big sadge
tribal blade
oh no! i'm sorry
iron obsidian
if youre shit what does that make me?
haughty mural
no shot the reset after i finally get myth track forge it drops in vault
so you are telling me mine will also be there finally? 
tribal blade
so you are telling me mine will also be there finally? <:2ez:587982296066424843>
yes i promise
but if it doesn't happen it wasn't me
tribal blade
dimmy is such a weird boss for parsing
haughty mural
could also just buy mine tho
tribal blade
so many different factors
haughty mural
with dinars
iron obsidian
yeah idk
i can just never do proper damage on this fight
and it annoys me
i just want my orange and be done
tribal blade
we were swapping around healers and dps tonight
and it ended up with me either topping or doing 0 damage
because of push timings/add shenanigans
very annoying
iron obsidian
fr
tribal blade
general consensus in my guild is nobody likes dim
iron obsidian
yeah this boss sucks
iron obsidian
yeah this boss fucking sucks i hate trying to parse it
ill just get a decent one hopefully with a new partition
fossil forge
i was doing 99 pretty consintently
ofc it dies the pull i troll it
doesnt matter i am free from jail
iron obsidian
ofc
the pull im finally doing decently
i die
i hate this game
and its my own fault too
iron obsidian
in p2?
fossil forge
If you swap to target one u hit them all with dimmy
If you stech dimmy you only hit him
fossil forge
vague grove
Hi! Whats best way to simulate/compare trinkets for M+? I have Tried Patchwerk 1m 30s, 5min, Dungeon Slice and some other and each of them gives me different trinket choice as best one so I'm kinda confused... I have 730ilvl Pacemaker and second trinket choice is between Araz/Prism 717 (Hero version). Any help appriciated! 🙂
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
rain warren
!guide
charred kestrel
Hi! Whats best way to simulate/compare trinkets for M+? I have Tried Patchwerk 1...
Dslice is what you use for m+
wet echo
The only minor downside to prism is the fact that if you die you lose your stacks
But just don't die 
vale pine
great advise, i will remember it next time i die to a heal debuff or dot or something similar
haughty mural
plush roost
Dh with prism is fun because not only do you lose all of your stacks, but your glaives too!
And youre squishy!
maiden oar
dimmy is such a weird boss for parsing
thats true
i could not get a good dimmy log
and then i changed nothing
and now i get good dimmy logs
i dont know what this means
maybe logs are made up
vale pine
and now i get good dimmy logs
nice
maiden oar
i wish i could say yeah i figured something out heres the secret but i dont feel like i figured anything out
drowsy mica
!wa
wicked joltBOT
drowsy mica
does anybody happen to have a WA bar that shows just shadow technique? i used to have one and cant remember where to find it
haughty mural
@tribal blade as promised
sullen hare
Hell yea
serene notch
i hate dooming.....but i dont like it
haughty mural
damn i actually am a prophet
you really are..
after 11 weeks of no drops (which i can win a roll on) or vault it was about damn time
tribal blade
you really are..
after 11 weeks of no drops (which i can win a roll on) or vault...
next week you win the lottery
haughty mural
if i do, i'll pay your subscription for a lifetime
hot oasis
TiL shadowstrike and dimensius p3 start is not a good combo
haughty mural
"today i learned" new member hitting me with that 
elfin sigil
If you swap to target one u hit them all with dimmy
dumb q but uhh should I be shuriken storming once for those adds on pull for FW? Or is there not enough time? Gonna play sub on dimmy next week
Also am I understanding correctly that when adds in p1 come out I should sectec them and not boss bc of hitbox shenanigans?
alpine wraith
you dont really storm those adds yea
elfin sigil
btw, for CD timing if my guild is nuking first plat but killing on second winds on second plat, do I just hold big CDs while I’m on second plat for p3?
alpine wraith
right now im not using flag in platform 2
there is not enough time
you kinda dance once per wall and use 1 sod to not overcap and get sht for p3
maybe i do a dimensius guide but idk last time i did those no one really cared
elfin sigil
btw I’m a lil out of the loop is sht shadow techniques?
alpine wraith
yes
elfin sigil
maybe i do a dimensius guide but idk last time i did those no one really cared
idk I’d watch it! There’s a lot of nuance to that fight so I think ppl could find it useful
At this point I’m just hopeful my guild doesn’t nuke p1 so I can actually have CDs to blast platform adds
alpine wraith
even on farm we still try to hold until 2:30 to 2:40
fossil forge
2 cds in p1 platform 1 cds and hold on platform 2 fullsend p3
elfin sigil
On mobile so I can’t check atm, but last week as assa I think I still had like 20-30 sec on dm I was so sad lol
elfin sigil
What I would do to have an hpal in this raid
elfin sigil
Ok kinda hard to tell on mobile but it looks like we push around 2:19…pray for me
guild doesn’t want to play those last adds + gravities ig
short aurora
Autumn very nice for dimmy
I feel like wow Parsing is more about social engineering than actual gameplay lmao
maiden oar
dont need autumn for most push timings
only really need it if u 0 buyer speed push p1 or if u hold every phase AND arent confident dragon riding (although it gives u a better flag timing on p2.2 in the second scenario since u can delay it a few seconds)
but if ur getting autumn when u speed push p1 u can also just get 2nd gravity and its over
funny gamble
sly shore
but if ur getting autumn when u speed push p1 u can also just get 2nd gravity an...
2nd gravity without autumn sucks ass too
maiden oar
it does but u at least arent mid flag when the circles go out
so u can flag after instead of losing the entire thing
r1 log rn did that but also i think they held anyway 
sly shore
it's during pushback on p2.1
but ofc can't hold
because then you'd be holding til 5 mins
from 1.5m
💀
and if you don't send at 1.5m and send start of p2, you lose an entire cast
because the next use is 5m still
because damage amp is so disgusting
maiden oar
and if you don't send at 1.5m and send start of p2, you lose an entire cast
im sure theres a timing where this is good
but idk the p1 push threshold
maiden oar
oh i mean just
1 flag p1 -> hold -> 1 flag artoshion -> hold -> flag amp
if u do p1 fast enough im sure thats good
sly shore
you lose an entire flag
maiden oar
but if artoshion dies right after winds and u pushed p1 fast enough the late flag on artoshion doesnt get finished
so grim either way
i think saccing a flag is sometimes fine but it depends on how useful the flag u lose is // how useful the one u gain is
maiden oar
ah ok
sly shore
this week 2 healing even
maiden oar
holy moly
sly shore
so it'll be even faster when we reclear this week
maiden oar
we just 4 heal so raid damage is an afterthought
sly shore
yeah you don't care much
sly shore
sentiax is so healing
maiden oar
sly shore
that's p1 healing
sly shore
This is overall
maiden oar
so less boss dam isnt a bad thing for us
maiden oar
This is overall
strong
maiden oar
personally i think it doesnt matter as long as i can finish the artoshion flag at some point bc p3 dam is what matters
im saccing a flag in p2 anyway to do good amp dmg
sly shore
slow push means you could do pull, 1.5m, 3m, 4.5m and then amp at 6m
maiden oar
yeah thats ideal
sly shore
this fight was really well designed for the time it was progged
but it's the worst designed boss for farm
maiden oar
i one time tried 0 -> 1.5 -> nothing p2.1 -> p2.2 with autumn -> amp
and that felt fine
sly shore
basically the same yeah
maiden oar
very hard agree
so cool prog fight
but turbo boost ruined everything
i saw the clips of the guy saying i dont want to hold dmg long before i started playing wow
i get it now...
sly shore
yeah...
fight gets design for 2 minute micro phases
forgetting that most of the dps are now 1.5m classes
so being faster bad
sly shore
those 10% nerfs to p2.1 and p2.2 bosses was completely non-sensical
fossil forge
2cds inp1 into autumn platform
fossil forge
even with hpal i still dont send on second plat
🥀
double dance with forge goes crazy 🔥
maiden oar
those 10% nerfs to p2.1 and p2.2 bosses was completely non-sensical
hehe
shrewd lantern
double dance with forge goes crazy 🔥
no artosh forge?
fossil forge
I think i missclicked prism on kill there
light nebula
!wa
wicked joltBOT
pallid jackal
Hi, quick question, do you use shadowstrike in aoe situations in shadow dance? Then black powder as finisher
What is like the priority? Between that and fan of knives
And how do you use the coup de grace tracker in this expac? I am a returning player
plush roost
Always shadowstrike in dance regardless of target count
Bp at 4+ targets or 3+ find weakness
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
plush roost
Hope that helps
hazy ore
How does danse macabre work, icyveins says the bonus is reset when you repeat cast a spell, is that repeat as in repeated overall within shadow dance, or a repeat of the previous spell cast
chrome palm
How does danse macabre work, icyveins says the bonus is reset when you repeat ca...
The bonus is only reset at the end of dance, and never by repeating a spell. Repeating a spell simply does not increase the bonus
hazy ore
Thsnk you. So this is incorrect?
chrome palm
Thsnk you. So this is incorrect?
Yes, that is incorrect. It is very simple to test, Danse Macabre is a stacking buff and the stacks do not reset upon repeating an attack
Apparently Coup de Grace and Eviscerate count as different spells for Danse, which I did not know
hazy ore
Thank you messer.
tribal blade
Yes, that is incorrect. It is very simple to test, Danse Macabre is a stacking b...
during TWW beta each individual coup hit was giving a stack of DM
it was so sexy
chrome palm
during TWW beta each individual coup hit was giving a stack of DM
God forbid I enjoy myself
tribal blade
God forbid I enjoy myself
sorry no fun allowed
it did create funny rules to holding coup where you would hold every coup for dance iirc
chrome palm
it did create funny rules to holding coup where you would hold every coup for da...
Sounds like beta
tribal blade
i haven't been keeping up with what people are doing, is it a hold coup for every dance atm
chrome palm
I think so
fleet acorn
Cant believe I fucked up my last 3 coins 😂 clicked the wrong f vendor and bought second heroic dagger and not mythic 🥲
Just 3 Ilvl offhand dagger guess doesn’t matter much
cursive vapor
Guys whats this addon for showing when a ability is ready? (Sectec here)
alpine wraith
lots of addons have that thing the og was called doomcooldownpulse
but it got kinda adopted into things
vale pine
How does danse macabre work, icyveins says the bonus is reset when you repeat ca...
unique spell uses.
The stacks stay active during the entire dance, but you only get +1 stack for the first time you use an attack.
You basically need to weight what spells are strong enough to be used during shadow dance.
This means we typically use:
- Shadowstrike (we would use always)
- Evis (we would use always)
- Secret Technique (because its our strongest finisher)
- Backstab (only with premeditation up)
In aoe (4+ targets) BP replaces evis, even tho we still use evis for coup
Shuriken Storm is used too during shadow blades because of the tier set
(You would use it between coup casts, only with tier set)
The remaining spells, so: Cheap shot, Kidney shot, slice and dice, Rupture, shuriken throw, shiv, etc.
are all not goos enough to be used, as you trade off too much damage using them.
The bonus lasts for the rest of shadow dance.
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
vale pine
^ you can read the explenation for why we use shuriken storm during dance (sometimes)
haughty rose
is there a way to sim zandalari troll loa's? there are 3 that look decent for pvp with one granting a bleed stacking 3 times, one with a chance of 4% increased crit and one with a chance of dealing additional shadow damage + healing. unfortunately changing it has a 5 day cooldown
haughty rose
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/266712108861751296/1416038590038...
thanks i'll try
almost 1.5% DPS more with a different loa than right now that'S crazy
vale pine
nicu!
coarse hound
Guys I need a reason to play Haranir, this seems like a good enough excuse no?
coarse hound
Dwarf is better cuh
Yeah but Dwarf ugly
coarse hound
absolutely
hazy breach
Yeah but Dwarf ugly
Tauren 
coarse hound
Tauren <:garf:1320173032743899157>
haughty rose
Yeah but Dwarf ugly
lilac stag
Guys whats this addon for showing when a ability is ready? (Sectec here)
Doom_Cooldown Pulse
limpid sage
Thsnk you. So this is incorrect?
A monk maybe got it mixed up with Hit Combo
cursive vapor
Doom_Cooldown Pulse
thanks man
woeful wren
unique spell uses.
The stacks stay active during the entire dance, but you only ...
See this part i dnt get about the coup scenario, say u have coup ready and sectech, ur sending the sectech into double coup so wasting a stack of passive on 1st coup but not second? or double storm, cos i have been double storming for the 2x coups to not use the set bonus
warm marlin
See this part i dnt get about the coup scenario, say u have coup ready and secte...
sending one storm is fine to preserve unseen blades because you still get enough value from the danse macabre stack that it is worth it. sending the second storm to also preserve unseen blades is not worth it
woeful wren
but is this value ST only? or also on aoe
speaking m+ mainly
idk, with the whole chance for UB to proc twice it's a lot of cdr from gaining more coups in general surely worth
warm marlin
well usually you'll try to pool enough sht that you don't ever run into the scenario that you've already stormed and are forced to mill an unseen
idk about the exact values but it shouldn't change too much in blades, you get full cp anyway and strike still does more damage than storm (just via nimble compared to raw storm), at some higher target counts its probably more fine to storm twice
woeful wren
can u rly pool during blades tho? like idm pooling for first dance ofc
but this scenario usually crops up on a 2nd or 3rd dance
warm marlin
well you do want to proc the unseens during trinket/blades
woeful wren
like the situations gna unfold from the premed backstab right
warm marlin
generally it should be quite uncommon that you would be forced to storm twice in the second dance. you need a couple of unlikely events to happen: you procced thousand cuts AND double procced the 2p to have coup ready before cb sectec, then somehow lowrolled enough that you didn't hit 7sht during strike -> sectec -> storm -> coup
woeful wren
so is it like
just fk it, dance stacks
lose a free ub
backstab > sectech > just send the strike anyway
or send the coups
and lose the cdr on sectech
warm marlin
well that's what I mean, you would storm there
youd have to then not proc to 7sht for storm -> coup with the late refund to be forced to storm a second time
relatively unlikely
because your DM has been reset if you're backstabbing again in 2nd dance
woeful wren
ye ths my confusion
ik its a little niche
but it happens more than we'd hope
would 2nd dance bs>coup>storm>coup>strike>sectech
be total grief
warm marlin
assuming you did highroll into coup being up, bs>sectec>storm>coup>strike>coup
and then cry that you somehow didnt proc sht for 5 globals straight
warm marlin
playing without shaman or something?
woeful wren
sometimes
as rogue we take what we can get no?
like im pug only so
if i actually get the pleasure of joining a key
its not on my terms usually
warm marlin
ye im just checking a bunch of my raid logs and i dont think i have this happen to me, could be shaman gives enough extra that it doesnt happen
skyfury op 
woeful wren
ye its a lot more often in rdru/hunt/dk comp
i will say that
sham u defo notice the late proc save
is that just cos coup takes so long to go through btw
warm marlin
coup is technically 3 eviscerates that occur over a 0.9s period after you press the button
each of them can individually proc the refund
woeful wren
ye figured it was something along those lines, its pretty dope tbf
warm marlin
that's not quite what i'd call it 
i hate the late refund
woeful wren
I mean its much appreciated idk
warm marlin
the amount of time you have to react can just vary too much based on ping/wa lag/timing of the proc. the game just isn't accurate enough for that kind of thing. i have a clip where i procced from 6-8 sht 3 milliseconds before the final evis hit/refund could occur, which due to some combo of ping/wa lag was only like 120 milliseconds before my shadowstrike hit the mob
pallid jackal
Hope that helps
Thanks! It does
pallid jackal
See this part i dnt get about the coup scenario, say u have coup ready and secte...
What is sectech?
pallid jackal
^ you can read the explenation for why we use shuriken storm during dance (somet...
Where can I get resources on this / this explanation?
hazy breach
What is sectech?
Secret Technique
hazy breach
Where can I get resources on this / this explanation?
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
pallid jackal
Secret Technique
Aha
vale pine
^ eleem was fast ^^
pallid jackal
So does this mean that it is optimal to delay coup by 10 seconds to put it in flagellation?
And could someone explain the tier set buff better? As in why tier set buff does not allow new applications of the unseen blades stack?
vale pine
wll
if you use coup you get a buff
if you use it again or wait till it runs out, you lose the buff
unseen blade stacks generated during this buff are lost
because you can't get stacks during this buff
which is what is explained above, and why we optimize around that
maiden oar
that's not quite what i'd call it <:omegalul:360538346780622849> i hate the late...
sometimes u can gain from it but its so unwieldy to play
well stealthi wa helps
but there have been times my opener was stronger bc of late refund
without stealthi wa id hate it though
and its not healthy for the game
pallid jackal
unseen blade stacks generated during this buff are lost
Why are unseen blade stacks generated during this buff lost?
latent finch
You cannt build to another coup if coup is already active.
pallid jackal
So basically you want the unseen blade damage increase / debuff on the enemy in your secret technique / flagellation?
so you withheld your finishers to wait
latent finch
Secret gives you fazed on all target hits if you meant that. The case fuu metioned is the one from the coup commmand. Where its a min max to dont use strike but shurikan storm to not waste the garantueed stacks.
vale pine
Why are unseen blade stacks generated during this buff lost?
because you stay on max stacks
so any generated one does not count towards your next build up
pallid jackal
Are you saying that you preferably want fazed secret techniques on the multiple targets and you make a WA on fazed
vale pine
you want it on your main target, but its usually up so you don't need to make a weakaura
pallid jackal
Guys by the way, I am still going through the above
But I am 706 now, do some decent dps I guess - I've got one craft item 727 (dagger), should I do second dagger now?
Or should I maybe go for bis, which I initially planned, and go for wrist. A guildie was suggesting second weapon first.
Anyone know what would be most efficient?
latent finch
You dont craft second dagger. Its the one of the worse equipment slots.
teal prawn
Or should I maybe go for bis, which I initially planned, and go for wrist. A gui...
offhand dps is like the lowest dps thing you can craft
spend the crests elsewhere
pallid jackal
Yeah I'd say right
vale root
hi, new to rogue here. With Unseen blade buff, do we want to spend CP on Powder or Eviscerate? thanks in advnace!
vale pine
you mean with coup ready?
if you have 4 stacks (so evis glowing)
you use coup
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
vale root
if you have 4 stacks (so evis glowing)
no no, I get that part, but nimble flurry says evis hit 7 targets, so wondering if its better than a full BP cast
vale pine
yes on 4 targets or more
but you still use coup if you have it up
so 4 or more targets
you use BP
unless coup is up
then you use coup
ofc during dance, secret too
secret > coup > bp
vale root
gotcha, thanks a lot, so up to 3 evis wins, ofc coup >>> anything else, but that clears it up. 🙂
void ocean
secret > coup > bp
Except if its regular dance and coup is up then coup > secret > coup > bp 😝
alpine wraith
not horrible
serene notch
I understand directionally, but I suppose it’s an mmo thing. You have to accept that whatever you spent hours/days/weeks learning is going to be negated with a rework
rugged relic
guys i need a favor do any of you have any of these and are free?
restive trellis
Just hit 70 in non retail
Now I just need to spend a bunch of money and then grind some more and I can be up with the cool guys
Ever since burning Crusade I could never get maxed out and play with my buddy who was maxed
They've kind of patched that and leveling is pretty much a cakewalk now. I went from like 67 to 70 in dragon isles without even doing much
chrome palm
@plush roost let the earth open up and swallow priory
rugged condor
<@141665120764952576> let the earth open up and swallow priory
Swallow this bud 
plush roost
<@141665120764952576> let the earth open up and swallow priory
That shaman sure was something, also my MRT wasnt working because it was out of date xDDDD
I just figured out the order midfight haha
glad cosmos
If you are using double on use (araz + prism) do you use araz first, and also, do you hold prism for max stacks or do you just use it for every other cd rotation?
latent finch
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
glad cosmos
Thank you
sick jackal
!wa
wicked joltBOT
pine token
!sheet
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
quaint lodge
Holding Coup is worth up to almost 20 seconds before cooldowns and 10 or so before dances
Saw this in hachadino's spreadsheet, can anybody else confirm if its true
chrome palm
Yes, but you might hold it longer before a damage amp such as araz and dimensius platform 2
hazy breach
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
hazy breach
Dont BP instead, just dont do any finisher at all
pallid jackal
__**General Gist of the Aoe rotation**__
- At **ALL** target counts cast Coup de...
What are the more specific parts?
pallid jackal
__**General Gist of the Aoe rotation**__
- At **ALL** target counts cast Coup de...
What are the places you use fan of knives instead of backstab?
hazy breach
3 targets
pallid jackal
alright
shrewd monolith
!wa
wicked joltBOT
shrewd monolith
can someone link auto tricks wa?
latent finch
plush roost
The worst part of no WAs is gonna be losing this one....
Back to mouseover tricks wheee
vestal escarp
Never left that
latent finch
I will go back to target party 1 macro and some pure soul will die for it at some points
uneven scarab
hazy breach
The worst part of no WAs is gonna be losing this one....
Wait fuck youre right
Back to 17th century tricksing again 
vale pine
it might still work
i need to see addon/macro restrictions
but you use tricks outside of combat, so less restricted
hazy breach
Not always outside of combat
I mean for trickster its fine, but when new adds spawn midnight as deathstalker it would be fairly reasonable to use it midfight
vale pine
macro conditions migth work in combat too
but i haven't folloed the latest addon restriction changes, probably re-visiting it closer to pre patch
limpid sage
Holding Coup is worth up to almost 20 seconds before cooldowns and 10 or so befo...
What is it also worth for dances?
vale pine
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
limpid sage
Ye I was just wondering if Hachadino had done some APL magic
vale pine
baseline apl does the above
quaint lodge
Wait hold on, what I was referring to was the latter part
Not the flag dances
But the "dances" outside of flag
quaint lodge
Holding Coup is worth up to almost 20 seconds before cooldowns and 10 or so befo...
Which is the latter part here
warm marlin
you dont hold coup for dances
limpid sage
No I’m confused by that
warm marlin
only flag
warm marlin
if he isnt referring to flag ye
quaint lodge
Heard
limpid sage
@vale pine have you tried making the APL fish for UB stacks going into the dances between cd windows? I’ve started doing it and get 2x Coup inside almost all of my dance windows
vale pine
i haven't found a condition that was worth it, unsure if there is one
the optimizations we have all seem solid tho
limpid sage
the optimizations we have all seem solid tho
Ye def - prob not worth the effort finding more either considering how late it is into the tier
plush roost
<@194804407706189824> have you tried making the APL fish for UB stacks going int...
I think its worth doing in aoe with surplus cdr, you can even do some manipulation by doing a dry sec tec and build spend for 10 seconds before dance to guarantee. And if sec tec is 25ish seconds out you can just dance and go -> coup sod coup sec tec for big aoe dammy
shrewd lantern
I think its worth doing in aoe with surplus cdr, you can even do some manipulati...
is coup sod sectech coup ever worth
it feels really good to hit
limpid sage
I think its worth doing in aoe with surplus cdr, you can even do some manipulati...
Ye I do that as well if I don’t have coup going into the 20s window before flag
warm marlin
is coup sod sectech coup ever worth
pretty sure dance coupsod insta offgcd is good
i never made the robot do it but in theory it should be
shrewd lantern
yeah i was mostly thinking in the scenario you could supercharge the second coup
and sectech
how good it would be
warm marlin
the damage bonus from supercharging the second coup is more than you lose not soding the first coup hit
it isnt more than soding the first coup at all, but i believe it dynamic updates to buff the later hits
limpid sage
If you have at least 3 UB stacks going into dance something I’ve started doing is SoD to farm ShT stacks until ~5 (3 if you have Coup ready) and then Dance->Sectec->Builder->Coup->Coup
shrewd lantern
though not sure if thats bigger
than gaining cdr from sending the first coup after sectech
also been coldblooding the first sectech on artosh
when hes alive with adds
as opposed to the second
warm marlin
than gaining cdr from sending the first coup after sectech
all about breakpoints
i never need that sectec cdr so
i always make it to the raw one
limpid sage
also been coldblooding the first sectech on artosh
You don’t hold p1 I’m guessing?
shrewd lantern
uhh flag normally comes up as adds are about to spawn
unless we push early
sending twice p1
limpid sage
Ah ok
shrewd lantern
it would be 100% if i got autumn....
i feel i can only send one dance sectech set on pargoth though
to safely have resources for burn
plush roost
Was reading that they enabled dagger to 1h xmog
Except for rogue....
Fuckin mutilate man
alpine wraith
as always kek
chrome palm
Except for rogue....
10000 years of using artifact transmog for outlaw
void ocean
Wheres our Xmas server icon
tiny blaze
Hello, are there any youtube channels that focus on sub rogue? I’m new
sullen hare
There are a few. I know hachadino is very active for sub videos. I think eleem as well?
Whispyr put out a sub video by that was before we got that big tranche of changes
thorny ridge
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tiny blaze
There are a few. I know hachadino is very active for sub videos. I think eleem a...
Thnx I’ll check them out!
brave moth
Hello, are there any youtube channels that focus on sub rogue? I’m new
Killakris
Also this guy plays sub. Outside of that you have to stumle upon some russian or chinese guy that plays sub 😄
In season 1 I found out a chinese guy that played sub and learned some niche techniques from him 
potent magnet
Do you guys know if sims play arround rotten in aoe ?
void ocean
its not december yet
anyways...
vale pine
haha, i see what you did there
alpine wraith
big december situation
alpine wraith
Do you guys know if sims play arround rotten in aoe ?
nah not worth anymore
worthy escarp
Is there any shadowstep macro for dimensius ?
plush roost
fierce garnet
hi im new to rogue and am trying to learn sub aoe rotation for m+, is it just spamming shuriken storm and black powder? i see other rogues do lots of dmg with nimble flurry
plush roost
Saw this one on the ol timeline today
plush roost
hi im new to rogue and am trying to learn sub aoe rotation for m+, is it just sp...
Always shadowstrike in dance, except for coup rule, always use coup. Blackpowder at 4+ target or 3+ find weakness
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
alpine wraith
you can always check out the guides if you are not sure but it does get easy when you get the hang of it
fierce garnet
thank you!
plush roost
hi im new to rogue and am trying to learn sub aoe rotation for m+, is it just sp...
Your unseen blade is a 20 second cd with random cd reset chance (u cant track) so backstabbing in aoe when flawless form is down is also important
But yeah a lot of flurry damage is shadowstrikes and melees and eviscerates and coups, should be around 25-33% of your overall
fierce garnet
so do i use shuriken storm at all?
plush roost
Yeah anytime outside of dance at 3+ targets when flawless form is up
And between coups at 4+ targets or in sblades
fierce garnet
i get flawless form to activate by backstabbing?
plush roost
It activates from unseen blade our hero talent
Which is from shadowstrike or backstab
U can also proc it if rng is real bad by doing sec tec into coup (coup gives 5 stacks if the tsrget is fazed) but thats niche stuff
alpine wraith
it also gets activated from using secret technique
plush roost
And yeah, disorienting strikes talent in your hwro tree makes your next 2 strikes/stabs after sec tec guarantee proc
Other than that its pretty straight forward, know the rules, dont miss gcds in dance, and do dam
fierce garnet
thanks guys!!
timber basalt
Is there any shadowstep macro for dimensius ?
I use a focus target macro and focus target like another melee on your side for p1 and then rings just step to them after they go through
Ideally the focus target has a kb immune but if u time it close to the knock back you should still be fine
rigid sparrow
nah not worth anymore
When did that change??? Rotten- finality was the same!!
haughty rose
is there any way to turn off or work around details resetting after vanish?
alpine wraith
When did that change??? Rotten- finality was the same!!
with more gear and bp being stronger we simplified it to just use bp at 4 targets
regardless of FW
so using a storm for rotten was neutral or not much of a gain it got culled
alpine wraith
is there any way to turn off or work around details resetting after vanish?
use overall instead of current
rigid sparrow
regardless of FW
Thought the question he did this guy was the rotten or finality build on ds sim
alpine wraith
it was if we played around rotten so we really dont
and actually yea it is behind too in most builds
vale pine
is there any way to turn off or work around details resetting after vanish?
just use overall and reset before your testing
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
fossil forge
Wtf is this bro
alpine wraith
all the things
cursive vapor
Good morning
fleet acorn
Yesterday I asked our Holy Pala to Play Blessing on Nexus King - he said he is too stupid to play it ?
Is it that Hard to play it or what is up or is he just Bad
alpine wraith
he is just forgetful maybe
you need to use it as it comes off cd and it has 4 diff buffs it can give
you can tell to just give autumn to you and just use the others on himself
fossil forge
Wthelly new server pic
iron obsidian
Wthelly new server pic
they change the server icon for a couple major holidays i believe
pallid jackal
Does anyone have a good WA for coup de grace?
charred kestrel
!wa
wicked joltBOT
swift tinsel
nothing about this surprises me
limpid sage
serene notch
this is how i imagine my mid 40's guild mom screen looks like, got to bind that corgi toy
frail cairn
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
lone halo
!wa
wicked joltBOT
half birch
Hi guys, I have a question that might be extremely stupid.
I was analysing some raid logs and a doubt came to mind.
Specifically: I cast Flagellation 2 seconds into the fight and, having a 1 minute 30 second cooldown, it returns to 1.32... But I've seen logs from another rogue who casts it 2 seconds into the fight but manages to cast it again at 1.22, so about 10 seconds earlier than me... What am I missing? o.o'
tawdry geyser
They’re getting blessing of autumn from an hpal, gives them some cdr
half birch
oh
half birch
They’re getting blessing of autumn from an hpal, gives them some cdr
thx mate, i was getting mad xD
tawdry geyser
Lmao no problem
dry plank
how the fuk happened that blizzard tune fuking lolmix and forgot about retail season xD
cloud rover
how the fuk happened that blizzard tune fuking lolmix and forgot about retail se...
Yeah. Dimmy not nerfed surprises me
1000+ Guilds are on him rn
dry plank
idk much about dimmy, i care right now about m+ xD
cloud rover
Class Balancing for M+ 
Thats somethign they really dont do at all
only if there is an major outlier
rugged condor
1000+ Guilds are on him rn
1100ish guilds have killed with 1100ish guilds progging dimmy, 3 months to go. Nerfs probably aren't needed but they'll probably happen in 2? Months or something like that
Turbo boost + raid buff has already astro nuked the difficulty
cloud rover
Did it? Low tier Guilds probably still have to play whole P3
And P3 wasnt nerfed muched iirc
fossil forge
there is such high damage u play like 60% of the fight
Lowk
Even in a world where everyone does mediocre damage u still skip a Lot because of 15%
i might be yapping though
cloud rover
We still get to the second devour and the Gravities after that
But we also dont dmg stop at all
fossil forge
we hold plat2
cloud rover
We dont even hold there
cloud rover
Ye Saladbar is easy
rugged condor
Did it? Low tier Guilds probably still have to play whole P3
I mean 6 extra ilvls and 18%? dmg and healing is pretty crazy
fossil forge
yep
cloud rover
But Dimmy is still kind of irrelevant
Its even worse for dimmy
Because you need to DMG Stop, if you dont know P3
rugged condor
Its hard to hold on dimmy now bc of so much dmg but progging guilds likely still are right
Having all cds for the burn is so important
cloud rover
And thats absolutely cringe imo
fossil forge
we hold just for the burn so we play as little p3 as possible
rugged condor
we hold just for the burn so we play as little p3 as possible
We just blast through everything and have mangled cds p2
rugged condor
*for progging guilds
Eh, im probably in the minority that bosses shouldn't be nerfed as heavily. There should be a baseline difficulty and if ppl cant kill it, so be it
Theres so much time left to prog too
rugged condor
Ya it'll be a struggle keeping motivation during farm
fossil forge
++
vale pine
fractilus in pre patch without weakaura sounds rough
fossil forge
Surely people can play tetris
vale pine
not because its a difficult fight, but players are used to blindlessly follow it
rugged condor
fractilus in pre patch without weakaura sounds rough
Ya that's a skip to last 2 angle
It'll be a nightmare
Definitely doable but it'll take reps that people likely do not want to spend time on month 5 of the tier
willow pollen
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tulip folio
can someone explain me how does dungeon logs work
? coz im kinda lost
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/silverice?zone=45&boss=62662 for example , last log of dawn 18 says 99 ? but it shows 47 ? on front page
or idk im lost
latent finch
This row means the dmg while the 99 is the key hight. But both is extremely irrelevant because m+ logs in that regard are a bit of a meme. Way to much variables like routes, to less logs etc
tulip folio
This row means the dmg while the 99 is the key hight. But both is extremely irre...
but then why people call out me for logs if its irrelevante or like i did same dps as frost dk bm hunter in that key
and its green
how
latent finch
Whoever calls someone out of m+ logs is just stupid and you should just move on. Logging keys is good so you can take a look at if needed. But m+ parses are a joke
quaint lodge
!wa
wicked joltBOT
fallen depot
does anyone have that symbols macro that protects against double presses?
plush roost
!symbols
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
plush roost
does anyone have that symbols macro that protects against double presses?
^that
grizzled bay
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fossil forge
no skyfury in raid today
Alt f4 angle
fossil forge
Big W
rose citrus
!symbols
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
wild hornet
but then why people call out me for logs if its irrelevante or like i did same d...
might just be coping
tulip folio
might just be coping
who me ?
wild hornet
no the people calling you out for m+ logs
tulip folio
ye idk how thoes logs are calculated
u can see i do same damage as meta classes if not more
and i logs me as green
😄
latent finch
You get compared to players with the same spec in the same key. Thats how it works. Its the same then in raid but m+ has so much more variables then raid thats its not a good metric at all
hazy breach
subtle comet
Whoops, sorry, didn't realize
frank narwhal
Anyone feel like we're doing less damage on Dimmy this week? I'm consistently 1-1.5M behind my avg from last week
placid elk
i can't tell my raid got canceled 
astral axle
bro i love sub rogue 🙂
alpine wraith
nice
alpine wraith
sub rogue is cool
alpine wraith
why assa
alpine wraith
ah well i guess if you dont need add dmg assa is fine
void ocean
p1 add dmg*
im going berserk on platform adds
tho we still havent reached p3 so im unsure bout timers yet, might swap to sub again later, who knows
those extra 7-8 sec assa needs to build up burst might bite me in the arse in p3
alpine wraith
cant really speak for assa p3 yea but also with how phasing works both kinda suck
now we are passengers mostly
void ocean
might probably need to not use cds on 2nd plat 😄
alpine wraith
yea you cant
void ocean
or just hope for fatebound bug
alpine wraith
yea mm hunter did almost 500m more than me in p3
it is also so funny dimensius kinda dies before third set of cds
but not soon enough that it is just as we use second
at least with 4 heals maybe some elite bois with 2 or 3 get it sooner
iron obsidian
tho we still havent reached p3 so im unsure bout timers yet, might swap to sub a...
i mean, if you play fatebound on assa, itll be the same timers as sub which line up good if you hold for double push on the 2nd add (most of the time anyways, youll get the random double tier proc every once in a while)
vale pine
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
edgy rose
Anyone know why CB and ST macro aint working?
hazy breach
!cbbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
eager latch
do we take one finality over the rotten in keys?
sim is telling me rotten > finality, but not sure if that's bait or not
tame terrace
no and doesnt matter
hazy breach
There isnt one
raw wadi
Wdym? "There isn't one"
hazy breach
They dont have any class head devs
tame terrace
even if there was one, no reason we should know or let others know
it just leads to harrasment
raw wadi
That wasn't my intention... I thought realz was it/is it.
But someone told me "he isn't"
hazy breach
He was responsible for the changes in amirdrassil
raw wadi
Kk Ty...
teal prawn
that was a good patch
plain void
At how many stacks of EB should we enter dance?
I aim for 3 but I feel like I could be wasting stacks?
upper rock
im curious about find weakness - does it matter for nimble flurry dmg that the other targets have find weakness too or does it not matter for the cleave?
sterile vale
\
idle echo
Choosing rotten over 1 point in finality better for prio in m+?
hazy breach
practically no difference
chrome palm
im curious about find weakness - does it matter for nimble flurry dmg that the o...
yes, nimble flurry is always physical
if the primary target has find weakenss, the "shadowed finisher" will still be cleaved regardless of if every target has find weakness (as physical, not shadow)
fluid fiber
anyone here who timed dawn +21 as sub?
idk what the fk i need to do to squeeze in a bit more boss dmg, my boss dmg is so bad. in the end we missed like 10 seconds to time it and boss timers were superbad because of me even tho my general dmg and prio dmg was kinda good
chrome palm
sub has bad st. only 3 in the world have timed that key. you could prestack prism to 18 on every boss with antenna and try using planned execution instead of replicating shadows but thats basically it
interestingly, all of these were timed with rsham instead of rdruid, which is a stronger buff in st
fluid fiber
idk I did more boss dmg and more overall dmg than all of these 3 sub rogues
i actually did nearly 1 mill more overall dps than r1 sub
which is fkn huge
and my boss dmg was better too
so idk. propably not my fault then
0 deaths and still 10 seconds overtimed. that key is crazy
and ye. i played with rshamy too
chrome palm
I think pe might be good in that key
fluid fiber
ye maybe ur right....but i think i play on my limit actually idk what to do different
chrome palm
harder
hazy breach
You gotta it up
vale pine
tidal marsh
tame terrace
bro
fuck shadow strike
teleporting bull shit straight into dimmy
🤡
im fucking pumping tho
chrome palm
you walked into him
after teleporting
youre in range when you land, so you can just hands off keyboard wasd and spam step
plush roost
sub has bad st. only 3 in the world have timed that key. you could prestack pris...
While sub has bad st db is actually a very good key for boss dam as sub since there is forced downtime on bosses where your cds recover. Youre also like 100% required to have a bm and DH (youre just a worse dk). Idk if antenna is truly the play in there since every single pack wants an onuse and being able to 18 stack the lust pulls is kinda critical
I should have had that key timed but unforunate shenanigans occured
Also in 21 having araz on first pull actually makes an insane difference for cd alignment (and living ritualists)
Probably the only good 2onuse key
plush roost
0 deaths and still 10 seconds overtimed. that key is crazy
Did yall cut a pull and play 3 shadowwalkers tact on 2nd boss? Big time saver
wicked urchin
Whew. Finally got the courage to message my GM about trying to HoF push next season
chrome palm
While sub has bad st db is actually a very good key for boss dam as sub since th...
i can definitely see that, and you have less time to enjoy the agi from antenna outside of cds
also the antenna is kinda annoying on first boss
wicked urchin
Anyone with recent HoF experience I can shoot some messages about the apping process?
cyan lava
Anyone with recent HoF experience I can shoot some messages about the apping pro...
Apply to guilds, have good logs, don’t be weird
That’s really it
It’s kind of like a job interview but with less pressure because it’s a hobby and everyone (usually) wants to be there
wicked urchin
Apply to guilds, have good logs, don’t be weird
Mind if I shoot you a dm?
cyan lava
Sure man
tulip folio
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
maiden oar
Anyone with recent HoF experience I can shoot some messages about the apping pro...
yes but my circumstances are abnormal
went from world 1800 first season raiding to world 13x second season
so i am lucky and i might miss something important bc i havent personally had to deal with it
fleet acorn
is that like normal on nexus king mythic? or any boss im always top healing myself
i feel like im always half dead
bleak night
fleet acorn
leeching myself alive xd
fluid fiber
While sub has bad st db is actually a very good key for boss dam as sub since th...
sorry was off yday night, so I just saw ur reply. why dh tho? just curious. i actually play with myth lily and its kinda good idk. Honestly I think there is smth wrong with those other guys because I am mostly r1 in dmg which shouldnt be possible with dk and hunter in group...
fluid fiber
Did yall cut a pull and play 3 shadowwalkers tact on 2nd boss? Big time saver
nope. maybe thats the play
Maybe I try Araz. But to be honest when I do way more dmg than those 3 sub rogues who timed this key...like 1 mill more dps which is crazy, i am starting to think its not my fault because i am playing on my max
plush roost
Maybe I try Araz. But to be honest when I do way more dmg than those 3 sub rogue...
Have you considered that youre pressing black powder too much? Also are you comparing details or log dps? Sharing a log would be useful as well.
Db is a key where you need to evis a lot.
If youre powdering and your dk is obliterating then yeah you'll be ontop of meters but the key could be going 5% slower
sacred gull
Hey, what is the ratio of dmg/heal denied on Nexus King through the dmg on the drake ? I know drake is 200% dmg during the interphase but how does it translate on the nexus king dmg ??? is it 1:1 ?
chrome palm
Hey, what is the ratio of dmg/heal denied on Nexus King through the dmg on the d...
1:1
he heals the remaining health of the dragon
sacred gull
he heals the remaining health of the dragon
ok thx, so prepot at start and end is more or less like prepot once in BL
chrome palm
no its better to use during burn, because you have prism at 18 stacks
chrome palm
only use one dance between platforms and burn, that way you can use 3 during burn
sacred gull
ok
upper cosmos
if I land p2.1 around 2:57, p2.2 around 4:09, and then land for p3 around 5:37 do I send around 4:30~ish with blessing? or should I hold and just dance once per nullbinder set?
warm marlin
you always want cds for the amp so just dance the nullbinders
upper cosmos
ty
fluid fiber
Have you considered that youre pressing black powder too much? Also are you comp...
Well actually I listened to ur advice and within 2 runs we timed it now. It seems I pressed powder way too often
now ofc I did way less overall but we timed it!! 😄
finally
vale pine
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
vale pine
you can typically just follow this and should be fine
the prio gain from evis > bp isn't too high
fluid fiber
do u know how much % it is roughly?
vale pine
you trade off roughly equal amount of aoe for prio
its ~5-6% on 5 targets
probably gets slightly higher with more targets, but also depends on talent choice
the diffrence in prio is still not that insane
because a lot of your damage is in coup
which you still use on aoe
fluid fiber
@vale pine thx a lot, interesting to see
vale pine
you can use```yaml
copy=prio
priotiy_rotation=1
the sim does focus on priority damage if you use the parameter
if you add this at the very top of the sim, it also shows you the % diffrence like in the screenshot
relative_difference_from_max=1```thx ❤️
forest moss
at the start of dimensius p3 - do you have time to drop a rupture after you cast flagellation during his weakened state
warm marlin
if you are fast and prepped properly it's worth it
if you lose your second sectec in the amp because you delayed the first one/blades by two globals it's not
forest moss
alright thanks
upper cosmos
if you are fast and prepped properly it's worth it
if I don't have combo points banked going into p3, will a vanished SS kill me when I tp to him?
fossil forge
Step and hands off
warm marlin
I would not trust strike
upper cosmos
first time I tried stepping to dim it didn't go off so I started walking forward but then it went off after I alr stopped pressing it and I got eaten. I've been killed due to buffering in ssbu, I never expected it to happen in wow 😭
alpine wraith
yea if you vanish strike outside melee range you insta die
step is fine
it puts you just almost inside but not quite
dont use it later tho as his hitbox grows
plush roost
the prio gain from evis > bp isn't too high
Yeah but in cutting edge keys where shaving 15 seconds off timer using evis is better its a bigger deal than a 5% value. Esp in a key like db where you can have killed everything and the mini is at 150m still
plush roost
Well actually I listened to ur advice and within 2 runs we timed it now. It seem...
Congrats
vale pine
Yeah but in cutting edge keys where shaving 15 seconds off timer using evis is b...
possible, the current implementation allows you to focus on prio when aoe is irrrelevant, so its something you as a player need to decide based on packs
15 sec sounds like a big diffrence for ~5% dps on one player
fluid fiber
i mean especially for that dmg comp sub rogue/dk/hunter its crucial i think. @plush roost was def right with this. it made a difference. not a big one but atleast a possibilty to time that key finally
vale pine
👍
fluid fiber
its addictive to have 18 stacks and press full cds with potion and black powder on first miniboss for example in church while pulling the other adds too. or for the pull after. but in the end miniboss has 150 m life left while everything else dead like charrend said
plush roost
15 sec sounds like a big diffrence for ~5% dps on one player
It does but in a key like db youre shaving 5 seconds off this mini, so your cds (and your parties) align better on the next, and the next, and its just a compounding time save
21 db is a bullshit key ngl
maiden oar
if I don't have combo points banked going into p3, will a vanished SS kill me wh...
recommend this
it steps to dimensius and only dimensius
if u are not touching wasd when u press it its impossible to die
and it works without targeting him or having to mouuseover him which is nice
#showtooltip
/cast [@boss1, nodead, exists][] Shadowstep
dense swallow
!coldblood
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
vale pine
21 db is a bullshit key ngl
oh ye, 20s are evil^^
rose citrus
!st
rose citrus
Was just looking at ST rotation but found your guide on wowhead 👌
rare shell
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
wise scaffold
!fuu
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indigo gorge
is the cold blood and sec tec combined macro worth using or does it not work well?
nvm just looked up
vale pine
its like 1-1.5% worse
you can use it for simplification, but need to be aware that you trade off output
bleak night
or have it and a seperate button thats just sectec
vale pine
^ or a modifier key like secret
hollow python
im noticing doing brawlers guild that i can stack 7 supercharges and it isn't resetting
bleak night
yes
it only resets at the start of a raid boss or key, not during world content like brawlers guild
hollow python
fancy
quaint lodge
Did anybody make a list this season of abilities evasion dodges in raid and m+ keys
hollow python
has anyone figured out a good way to do the bare hands brawlers guild challenge?
plush roost
Did anybody make a list this season of abilities evasion dodges in raid and m+ k...
Nah but off top of head:
Priory- lunging strike, brutal slam. Impale, potshot.
Floodgate- quick shot, nailgun.
Ecodome- n/a
Streets- n/a
Gambit- n/a
Dawnbreaker - n/a
Arakara- bloodworker charges (this may just my healer being the goat not sure)
HoA - houndsmaster shots
quaint lodge
Nah but off top of head:
Priory- lunging strike, brutal slam. Impale, potshot. ...
Founda list for it too if u wanna double check
plush roost
Ahh i forgot whirling yea thats a big one
quaint lodge
Kinda crazy its completely useless in raid
Although I could swear I take zero damage from blade dance when I have it popped on SH
But maybe just imagining it
plush roost
Some of these on the list idk if theyre accurate
Ive evasioned during thrash and still been cranked
Maybe i go test later
quaint lodge
Im p sure that one is true
Outlaw has it up for almost every thrash
Maybe off by a seocnd or two
quaint lodge
Maybe i go test later
Yea I justdouble checked
Hes just not taking dmg during thrash
kinda funny
annsie on his best dimensius parse just chucks a shuriken toss mid dance
this is the danse macabre optimization people have been searching for
quaint lodge
laughing thats good
bleak night
this is the tech they dont want you to know about
bleak wind
I don't want to talk about it
plush roost
Forbidden technology
chrome palm
Nah but off top of head:
Priory- lunging strike, brutal slam. Impale, potshot. ...
halkias shard thrash is a good one, as well as anklebiter slow
shrewd lantern
if you dont get autumn on nk do you just send a dance set in the 10s before flag sb
or do you just afk auto
maiden oar
personally i spread rupture but i almost always have autumn
so ive only been in that situation a few times
it might depend on how long the platform lives
shrewd lantern
i meant dragon burn
maiden oar
if u can flag at 3mins and then get a dance after that then rupturing is absolutely the correct decision but if u dont get a dance afterwards im not sure
oh
i wait
shrewd lantern
yeah i wasnt sure
this timing is cursed with the flag set coming up as the boss is about to die
maiden oar
the consensus last i checked was to wait and better players than me waited but i never looked too deep into it bc i usually get autumn
yeah i think u just dont really get a flag in p3 ever
shrewd lantern
the boss died like
6-7s into the last flag
so actually would be peak with autumn
im guessing guilds with longer kill times on farm are selling
tame terrace
without autumn i just held my 2nd flag for platform
otherwise ur 3rd flag is late midplatform
shrewd lantern
is that actually worth?
tame terrace
if u need damage on platforms, id say worth it, u get better timing on kings hunger too
not like u skip platforms if u full send p1
at 130 im just doing a dance set, not full autoing until platforms
just holding flag/blades for better platform timing
hollow spear
If you're losing half of your last flag because you don't have autumn, it's probably worth it to hold 1.30
Since you'll blast harder both on platform and on dragon
fossil forge
Reclear without hpal 
vale pine
i aked my heal pala if i can get autumn
the response i got was
"no, i need it for myself"
chrome palm
this is the response i got during prog 💀
cursive tundra
!sims
wicked joltBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
cursive tundra
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
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