subtlety

[bleak night]

yes

although i assume you mean the hunt not fel rush

[tulip remnant]

ye sorry

thank you

[fossil forge]

u can skip ss and rupture if the first masses disappear if you want to hit them with stech

if they dont die fast doesnt matter

[barren sandal]

I beg tell me why i suck i do not fucking get it : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FG9zXTtm4CbDdY8q?fight=30&type=damage-done

[shrewd lantern]

You basically sat on prism for 2:30

with a bad kill time

[barren sandal]

That's it ?

Like i do 73 i think and it's just that ?

[barren sandal]

There's no way just that is the diff between a 95 and a 73

[shrewd lantern]

considering sub is all cds?

kind of matters

with that kill time

[fossil forge]

You want the boss to die at the end of your burst ideally

3min ish

[shrewd lantern]

like basically having that prism sit there that long not using the stacks

meant you had half a trinket

for that much time

idk 4min kill time for sub seems doomed

[fossil forge]

Yep

[shrewd lantern]

maybe if you held second set of cds to 2mins

[fossil forge]

I dont think even If he swapped to antenna that would gelp

Just cursed kill time

[shrewd lantern]

then popped prism at 3:30

might work actually

[fossil forge]

Maybe If you played araz antenna

And play like 2min class

[shrewd lantern]

pull araz
2min araz
3:30 prism

might work

idk

[fossil forge]

araz+passive better on short kill time probs

[shrewd lantern]

i think ryldd said lily prism was working for him on like

slightly over 3min kill times

but yeah

[fossil forge]

Lily prism is banger too

Dont have myth Lily though

[shrewd lantern]

i might buy it with last dinar

since i fr need nothing

lmfao

[fossil forge]

Same

[shrewd lantern]

got everything pre turbo except forge

and if i was a rat i could have asked lootcouncil for forge

without spending dinar

[fossil forge]

I got everything but boots

Pre turbo

[shrewd lantern]

yeah we had one pair of boots go to vendor

womp womp

too many leather drops

[fossil forge]

Entire tier we Seen 1 leather

Boot drop

kinda crazy no

(Tank got it)

[shrewd lantern]

surprised dh didnt get

usually their reshii damage the highest

[fossil forge]

Dh got it the from the vault that jew

https://tenor.com/view/druski-rage-angry-annoyed-whatever-gif-5126333390325209476

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i got mine from drop

[warm marlin]

Sub 3 mins = forge passive, hold flag to 2mins
Under 3:30-3:40ish = lily prism
3:45-4:40 = forge prism, hold flag to 2mins
4:40+ = forge prism normal timings

[plush roost]

Sub 3 mins, play assa, get deathmark bug, deathmark at 2:30 with 15 prism execute damage 6head

[warm marlin]

Not in these parts betrayer

[plush roost]

Betrayer?? I hardly knower

[fossil forge]

[late grove]

hi iam new to sub rouge an iam 724 an do shit damg can someone help out

sometime i do good damg an sometime i dont

[lilac stag]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[shrewd lantern]

@warm marlin do you think forge prism is worth if im not sending cds on pargoth

[warm marlin]

i honestly have no idea

im playing it without cding pargoth

[maiden oar]

all the pargoth skippers run it still

[warm marlin]

i forge pull artoshion and then random p3 dances

[maiden oar]

yeah that seems to be consensus

some ppl do lily but that seems worse

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i forge artosh

[maiden oar]

by some ppl i mean 1 gyy

but he could know something i dont

[shrewd lantern]

but our dimmy push is barely 2mins after

so im sitting on forge for like

almost 2min

[warm marlin]

parse loves his lily

nothing will take it from him

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i just dont know where to send forges

[wicked urchin]

god its finally dead

[plush roost]

Whats it like to have a 9 minute dimensius (not jealous at all)

[wicked urchin]

it'd feel better if i had autumn

[leaden prairie]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[shrewd lantern]

how many supercharged points can you hold at a time?

[maiden oar]

im sure theres something to it but i cant figure it out msyelf im too noob

[shrewd lantern]

can you supercharge 4 pts and land both sectecs in burn window

[fossil forge]

2 is max

You can still fit in the burn window

[plush roost]

You can land both without charger

[shrewd lantern]

wait how long is the window again

[fossil forge]

15

[shrewd lantern]

so send first 2nd gcd?

[fossil forge]

Going into p3 with 14 sht and coup up

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-lost-ilost-ahh-ahhaa-gif-23799192

[shrewd lantern]

yeah seems im gambling if i send a coup on pargoth

ngl

[fossil forge]

U can bp to keep coup

type beat

[shrewd lantern]

well the gamba is

praying you get another coup

by the time its burn

[fossil forge]

I did dry stech

on pargoth

[shrewd lantern]

i can only send one dance

[fossil forge]

i skipped out on 1 dance though

[shrewd lantern]

since pargoth dies

[fossil forge]

Yea

[shrewd lantern]

before his second star

[fossil forge]

I did forge prism forge on plat 1 hold on plat 2 and 17 prism on p3

[shrewd lantern]

wait you hit sectech with nothing else

[shrewd lantern]

he parried akaari?

[plush roost]

Yeah thats uh, a weird one

Since hes fazed

And cant parry

[maiden oar]

i hate this guy

why doss he parry

[shrewd lantern]

i guess its because

akaari isnt you

[plush roost]

Yahp

[shrewd lantern]

and fazed only stops you

[plush roost]

Insane that akari can even be parried

Makes me wanna dig and see how many coldblood sec tecs in cds i have had parried

[shrewd lantern]

so you skipped rupture

and have sht+coup ready

i assume

[fossil forge]

Many.

[plush roost]

Nah u dont need to skip

[fossil forge]

Rupture actually does more than evis there

i think bingus said its better to rupture

[plush roost]

If you enter dimmy with coup ready then youre good

Nothing else required just good inputs

[shrewd lantern]

so i probably cant safely send a coup on pargoth

if i only get one dance set on him

lmao

[fossil forge]

Do you have cloak for second platform

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

[fossil forge]

mog the adds Stand in the big circle

[plush roost]

I dance 3 times on pargoth typically

[shrewd lantern]

he dies before he does the second star

for us

[plush roost]

Oj

[fossil forge]

I danced 2 times before my gang started doing astro dmg

So i just started sending 1 dance and preparing for p3

[plush roost]

Hmmm we ended up having no cds whatsoever so we made it all the way to 2nd winds

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i assume i cant really coup pargoth unless i wanna gamba tier

[plush roost]

But we hadnt done dimmy since early october

[shrewd lantern]

and thousand cuts

[fossil forge]

You can try dry stech and getting it back on cd

Its a little scuffed first few time aint gone cap

[shrewd lantern]

yeah farm it back with storm bp maybe

[plush roost]

You can spam storm for cdr ye since the walls count as targets

[fossil forge]

Yea u can max combopoints on the walls

[shrewd lantern]

forge feels hella awkward

since it just comes back up

as phasing

[fossil forge]

do you cd first or how u play

[shrewd lantern]

forge pull

[fossil forge]

are you autumn maxxing

[shrewd lantern]

forge platform 1

[maiden oar]

yeah u just forge a random dance in p3

[shrewd lantern]

gotten into prism a few secs before flag to have 18 for burn

mfw hpal is on opposite side

in p1

so no autumn

[fossil forge]

i just missed out on 1 forge use

Not rly a big deal

I didnt get autumn on kill pull + i died

[shrewd lantern]

yeah started doing that wasnt sure if it was right

wall adds are taken off on logs right

besides the one that creates the gap

[fossil forge]

not sure actually i simmed the fuck outta the first Wall no cap

Nimble flurry go brr

[shrewd lantern]

the funny story time i played sin one night on it

got parried twice in my opener

[fossil forge]

[plush roost]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spin-fan-rope-gif-25248314

[shrewd lantern]

ngl how sub feels this tier

going from 14th to 1st some phases

on nk and dimmy

[fossil forge]

I like this version of sub hella good

[shrewd lantern]

bigger spike

than execute dm with adds on sin

[fossil forge]

Amp damage goes Wild

[plush roost]

I love being 45 seconds into a boss in m+, and then go from 1m dps to 11m in 20 seconds

[shrewd lantern]

this is how i feel 2nd boss of db

when i dont have a sectech on pull

then the blobs spawn

[plush roost]

And ur havoc goes wtf bro

[shrewd lantern]

also when i did a key below 12

[fossil forge]

sim their funnel!!!

[shrewd lantern]

and cc orbs spawned during my cb sectech

[fossil forge]

Dimmy would be a s++ tier fight If bro didnt have His big ahh hand in my ass for the whole p1

[shrewd lantern]

@plush roost am i trolling losing gcds

[shrewd lantern]

lmao fuck that hand

[fossil forge]

Side Camera pov goes hard

Wat r u feinting

[shrewd lantern]

the bonk

ig

or whatever you call the thing that drops

[fossil forge]

The falling stars?

[plush roost]

That doesnt start for 15 seconds tho

[shrewd lantern]

yeah that ig

am i overthinking the half seconds

[plush roost]

Also u didnt dance after the first one

U danced, did backstab evis, danced

[shrewd lantern]

oh yeah wtf is that bs

[fossil forge]

Dont waste feint on rings also

Just step it

[shrewd lantern]

yeah i step 2

[fossil forge]

Banger

[shrewd lantern]

also does feint even reduce rings

its a dot

[fossil forge]

I just stepped most cloaked the last set

[plush roost]

Rings arent a dot

Its just a large tick of damage, the DoT is dimmys passive aura

[shrewd lantern]

oh idk why i thought it left a dot on you

so wait if the second sectech is cast 14s after flag

is it not going to be in amp

[plush roost]

Ye

[shrewd lantern]

yeah it seems most attempts it was a bit dicey to send coups on pargoth

think most didnt have it immediately in burn

[plush roost]

You should be getting the second sec tec 9-10 seconds after sending the first

[fossil forge]

During the 15 s amp he doesnt do any dmg no?

[plush roost]

You can use SoD again for supercharger if sec tec is 11~ seconds

Nope just the passive rot dam

[shrewd lantern]

yeah here its about 9 after

also peep the second coup set at the end

[fossil forge]

Brother why no storm between coups

[shrewd lantern]

dont mind the strike fuckup

xd

[fossil forge]

😡

[shrewd lantern]

is there a buff to filter exactly when

the amp is

[plush roost]

I think bigwigs has a countdown

[fossil forge]

i think he means on wowlogs

Mby

[shrewd lantern]

well i meant on logs

[plush roost]

Oh u mean on logs

If u go into the phase tab and hit p3

[fossil forge]

Just check the biggest dmg spike 15s window

[plush roost]

I believe it starts exactly on amp

[maiden oar]

no

need elusiveness

[shrewd lantern]

so the first second of it is the 1st second of amp?

[plush roost]

Im pretty sure that is the case i can check

[fossil forge]

Are you stepping on boss also?

[shrewd lantern]

isnt that troll

i thought you get sucked in

[fossil forge]

Not rly

Hands off keyboard

And u land in front of him

Backpaddle into the group

[warm marlin]

No you should be mashing a target exact step at the start of p1

[plush roost]

P3 start, mash tab and step, no hold w

Ezpz

[fossil forge]

yep

[maiden oar]

i use a @boss1 macro

dimmy is boss1

i can get it for u in a sec

[fossil forge]

Bossman numero 1?

[maiden oar]

yea

[fossil forge]

Did u guys peep the new saladbar on ptr

[shrewd lantern]

dont you just get sucked if you w even one step forward

but yeah

[fossil forge]

no you wont

[maiden oar]

just dont touch wasd

[fossil forge]

If you accidentally press W you will get sucked though

[shrewd lantern]

also weird thing i found on logs

my p3 flag

[fossil forge]

yea hands off keyboard and ur gucci

[shrewd lantern]

isnt on the cast

did i cast it early

xd

its on the dam breakdown for the phase

[plush roost]

go into logs and select p3 as stage, amp starts exactly there

[maiden oar]

#showtooltip
/cast [@boss1, nodead, exists][] Shadowstep

my macro

[warm marlin]

you can also truncate to the exact 15s window by using the destabilized debuff on the boss

[shrewd lantern]

so the first second of p3 is first second of the amp

[plush roost]

what bingus said

also everyone lied its actually a 15.024 second amp

smhmyhead

[shrewd lantern]

oh there we go i knew it was named something

[plush roost]

:^)))

[hollow spear]

The worst part is that you end up early pushing when you've decided to send flag on platform 2 and you make winds everytime you've decided to hold

[plush roost]

I love being the difference maker

[hollow spear]

I feel like at this point I almost have to hold

[shrewd lantern]

i mean we cant hold

[plush roost]

Yeah you can

[shrewd lantern]

because we got people still being pushed into walls

xdd

[plush roost]

Welllll

If youre on prog and not consistently hitting p3

Then yeah u send

[shrewd lantern]

its fine now

but yeah they tried a bunch of shit none of it involved holding

pargoth doesnt even do 2nd star

half the time

[warm marlin]

dying before 2nd star wtf

thats gotta be a lot of cds sent

[hollow spear]

Well, if nobody holds

[plush roost]

Thats what happens to artosian for us haha

[warm marlin]

ye artoshion dies that fast

pargoth dying that fast is brazy

[hollow spear]

We're calling dps stops on arto haha

The faster pargoth dies, the more you get rewarded for holding kinda

[shrewd lantern]

i think they're overcommiting

pargoth cds

[hollow spear]

For sure

[shrewd lantern]

because im just

limp dicking aa

at that point

i cant even land a post second sectech second coup

on artosh half the time

[hollow spear]

Ig you're dps stopping in p1?

[shrewd lantern]

no

it just comes up though when the adds come out

also wait @warm marlin how are you bonking living mass so much

[fossil forge]

Are you swapping to stech them

If you stech dimmy it doesnt hit him

[alpine wraith]

yep you need te sec tech them

[shrewd lantern]

sometimes yeah

[tiny schooner]

Anyone tested sub on beta? Do you know if there are any bugs? I tested a couple of keys and it seemed a bit too broken (read OP) - can’t tell if it’s a dps meter bug, or if sub is that good or if sub is bugged

[wicked urchin]

wait you need to sectech the masses? wtf

well i certainly missed that

[alpine wraith]

there are some bugs yes

namely sht getting muched with blades on dance duration being longer than intended

[shrewd lantern]

do the clones not hit him at all if you target him directly

[fossil forge]

If you target dimmy tech only hits him

Press tech on mass and it hits him too

[fossil forge]

Extra dmg is extra dmg

[shrewd lantern]

oh the clones dont hit adds if targeting dim

what if the mass is 0 hp

[fossil forge]

doesnt count in logs i think

[shrewd lantern]

yeah so not worth to do in that scenario ig

[fossil forge]

This why i said yday to skip ss rupture on opener

[shrewd lantern]

tbh didnt know if hitting a dimmy add with sectech was worth if it didnt have fw up

[fossil forge]

Also pressing cb stech in tfd is a life changer s/o grouch

[tepid trellis]

Fw is only 12% phys dmg to sectech initial hit

[warm marlin]

Like they said sectec them

I’m also turbo greeding my puddle drops

Pretty much full nimble cleaving the entire time

[shrewd lantern]

wdym like pressing the second one then mashing dance

in case it expires?

[fossil forge]

U can Jump off And it spawns the puddle in void

When u step in air

[warm marlin]

ur a psycho

[fossil forge]

probs useless

But stylepoints

[fossil forge]

You can fit it at the end of tfd

[shrewd lantern]

yeah

its usually super tight

[fossil forge]

u can do it consistently

Try it out on dummies

[shrewd lantern]

yeah if you pre disorient

though i mash dance to not risk losing

[fossil forge]

Dont think pre dis is Needed

I could be capping though

[warm marlin]

you can certainly low roll into not getting coup before second sectec

[maiden oar]

iodk why but past 2 weeks when i went to the boaters they didnt spawn

[warm marlin]

2p makes it a lot less likely but it’s possible

[maiden oar]

no matter how many times i went in and out

game sucks!!

[shrewd lantern]

the absolute worst shit

is when i just send a sectech

and someone decides to blow up the raid

[fossil forge]

Weird

I did it yday

https://tenor.com/view/wyaking-gif-9712475764034023502

[maiden oar]

i was helpoing a friends guild on my 2nd rogue

and i could do it there

[shrewd lantern]

isnt that where you go beat up

the guys by nk tele

[maiden oar]

but my mains guild has no boaters

yes

[shrewd lantern]

dont you need a summ back

[maiden oar]

mp

no

theres a tele in dimensius room

u just take that to the boats

[fossil forge]

They all Been touched by grouches blade

They scared

[maiden oar]

[fossil forge]

@shrewd lantern https://youtu.be/r9QGINVd8BY?si=Lr1_bTDrBAONwgVs

+10% dmg hack 4 dimmy

[limpid sage]

how do you get 12%

I haven't been able to find armor values anywhere for retail

[limpid sage]

we have 2x ele shamans so they're pretty much dead before the latter hits of sectec :(

[tepid trellis]

koji and solo are the smart ones and i was wrong its more like 10% phys dmg

no idea where they fetch the armor values tho

[alpine wraith]

mobs of elite lvl have around 30% phys dr

so you do the arpen and it gets to around 10% from that

there used to be diff armor lvls per mobs depending but they took that off in like cata or Mop i think

that is why FW used to be way stronger too vs plate or some mobs

[hollow spear]

Trying flag strike sectec rn

Seems to be solid

Only wondering whether to cold blood the sectec or not, will have to scour some logs

It's a bit of an arms race tho, because we hold at the end of p1 and people are minmaxing the pad

[limpid sage]

yeah we do the same

• when skipping rupture for sectec you skip 1 stack of disorienting

[fossil forge]

I gave up on the starting mass

My ele just molested them

Every pull

[hollow spear]

Fckn eles

[fossil forge]

We kinda had a silent agreement

I let him sim adds And he let me touch first platform

[leaden basin]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[limpid sage]

Nothing he can do about cb sectec there either

Our adds stay alive for like 2 seconds on first platform

[fossil forge]

They die the moment they spawn

You can time rhe hit

Though

[cinder marten]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[knotty mist]

Genuine question. On beta we have up to 28% increased shadow damage in talents I think. Does this increase to shadow damage also work on trinkets?

[hazy breach]

Usually no, and if it does its a bug

[vagrant fulcrum]

Lingering be like

https://tenor.com/view/moto-madagascar-sexy-eyes-how-you-doing-gif-8807297

[limpid sage]

ye exactly

I just delay cb sectec till they're almost grouped up

[fossil forge]

[warm marlin]

fun fact you can just go to the side that dies slower

since you group up in the middle anyway

[odd fox]

Quick question - my guild started M Dimmy prog this week, is sub still the move? I see assa is technically putting out more throughput, but I assume sub's profile would be better for prog.

[warm marlin]

i noticed our right side melee ones (not playing double ele anymore) would die way slower on pull so i went there and ate them all up

then you group back up for first devour and then go left

[warm marlin]

idk theyre both pretty similar

assa has a slight lead on the st portions and sub has a slight lead on the platforms/p1 adds so it depends on what your guild needs more

id just play what u like better

[fervent leaf]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[maiden oar]

fwiw i checked p3 dam on highest boss dmg logs for both sin and sub

and sub peaks higher in p3 but

thats killtime dependent to some degree

u can absolutely go insane on p3 boss dmg as sub though so pick what is comfortable for u

i have not found a sin log that does as much p3 dam (highest sin was like 10.5m highest sub was 11m) as the higher end sub logs yet

[maiden oar]

ok

i am owned

is this new

[warm marlin]

6 days ago

[maiden oar]

ok

i was making this point to my rl like a week ago

[warm marlin]

last time i checked a bunch of both though sin was ahead like 1mil

[maiden oar]

as an excuse to play sub hehe

[warm marlin]

p1 probably has assa leading boss dmg too

idk its still not a big gap though

[maiden oar]

highest sub is 150k below that in p3

yeah its not

thank god he didnt clear when i last checked

dodged...

btw this week we all lost in p3 dam to a ret paladin

how does that happen

[warm marlin]

our ret has been on fdk all tier

[maiden oar]

yeah one of our dks was like

can i bring my ret

and he went crazy!

[hollow spear]

Did a lot of you guys die?

[maiden oar]

no he did like 11.x p3 dmg

i did 10.9m

he is just too go9d

[hollow spear]

Our ret parsed like brazy last tier because there was almost no fight where not at least five guys died before the end

[maiden oar]

hehehe

no i think its just good

for some reason

[alpine wraith]

i find funny doing 1.5 or so dimmy dmg is cool for us

while MM hunt does 2.4

brrrr

[warm zinc]

someone has the same issue, symbols macro keeps deleting itself kekw?

[vale pine]

no idea what could cause that

[proven plover]

can someone explain to me how on dimmy mm annsie is using a flag at 4:38 and then at 6:02 perfectly at the start of p3

I dont get it

[maiden oar]

blessing of autumn

[vale pine]

^ https://www.wowhead.com/spell=328622/blessing-of-autumn

[plucky niche]

is there a beta discussion channel in this disc that im not seeing or no?

[brave monolith]

#midnight-subtlety

[fossil forge]

Do i just troll the other rogue

[warm marlin]

If their side is dying way slower ye xd

[fossil forge]

Yea he has 3 boomers on his side

I got 1 ultra racist ele

Imma troll the shit outta the other rogue on reclear

[tired dome]

Anyone else using Luxthos WA pack? Any idea why the Coup De Grace timer for the 2nd CDG isnt showing anymore?

[shrewd lantern]

im assigned to pick up a mass (not actually since 60% the pulls someone steals it)

[chrome palm]

shroud the raid before dimensius for a cool and fun pull

you keep stealth mid air so for some reason he reset and wiped the raid when we landed

[fossil forge]

was that the reason he randomly ate us sometimes

i always shrouded pre pull HAHA

[ripe flame]

saving this for next reclear

[upper cosmos]

hey I'm subbing in for a friend's dim tonight and wanted to know if I don't make it to the inverse gravity can I just cloak and live or will that kill people

[karmic harbor]

think you can just cloak

[short aurora]

How can you not make it

[upper cosmos]

like if I forget which spot I'm in and I'm thinking maybe I just sit out or something idk

[karmic harbor]

as long as you arent holding an orb

it doesnt matter if youre in the stack or not

well, you wont wipe the raid anyways

[upper cosmos]

I'm taking about the 3 circles in p2/3 for melee, ranged, and heal

[karmic harbor]

oh ye any amount of ppl can be in that

i think

[fossil forge]

you will get stunned if you dont soak

[karmic harbor]

yeah but hes gonna cloak it

[fossil forge]

yea but he wont be able to cloak every single one

[short aurora]

Just set a Focus on another melee and Focus shadowstep

[fossil forge]

just make a step macro to someone in your soak

and you cant miss it

[karmic harbor]

true

[upper cosmos]

yeah but it's good to know, ya know?

[karmic harbor]

but im assuming this is just in a scenario where he fucks up

[short aurora]

But you need cloak for cd

[fossil forge]

cloak for uptime on plat2

[upper cosmos]

oh trueeee

[karmic harbor]

ye need cloak for plat 2

[upper cosmos]

okay how about step? can I step to dim in p1 and end in a consistent spot or should I just step to someone else while they're midair

[fossil forge]

step on dk/dh when u get knocked

if you step on dimmy you spawn in front of him

[edgy zenith]

is there a macro to step dimensius that I can spam going into P3?

does @boss1 work?

[warm marlin]

boss1 works, targetexact works

[shrewd lantern]

do you macro anything to sectec living mass?

or just tab fast

[plush roost]

Tab target mass, shift-tab back to last target

Ezclap

[warm marlin]

i click their plate

i dont think you can macro

sometimes boss 2-4 is on the left sometimes right iirc

at least in logs it works like that

[restive trellis]

👋

Noob here, I haven't played since Lich King

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-love-monkey-cute-monkey-hug-hug-monkey-gif-8658152799845650442

[grizzled fjord]

Potentially a bit of a dumb question, if I may: What is the best sub trinket to go with Netherprism? Most resources say Antenna, but IcyVeins says ISP is the best overall trink to go with Netherprism and it's confusing me a bit and I wanted to ask before using dinars.

[short aurora]

mouseover secret tech

[fossil forge]

No shot u can shift tab back

To prev target

[latent finch]

I think thats the default keybind for that. I switched it to ^

[fossil forge]

I always just spammed tf outta tab

[latent finch]

I started using it when deathstalker came out to get back to my marked target in big pulls without to much problems

[tulip perch]

Hi everyone, does someone know how those top logs sub on Dimensius have less than a min and a half between two shadowblades?

[tepid trellis]

blessing of autumn

[limpid sage]

what does targetexact do?

never seen that

[limpid sage]

nvm google was my friend

[opal mantle]

araz

nothing comes close imo

[grizzled fjord]

What about passive trinkets? Don't think I can juggle 2 actives

[alpine wraith]

antenna and sigil are fine

forge just lets you have something for each flag

and it is good on dmg amps or when x things happen every set of cds

like on last 2 bosses of the raid

[opal mantle]

still in my opinion dont want to trigger any theorycrafters
but you have to play the class with 2 actives its just better in every raid fight/dj this patch

[hazy breach]

Theres rank ones with passives too

[fossil forge]

short kill times much better with passive

[plush roost]

Mfw im missing 8k agility and 8k crit on my 18 stacker after big mama and the bloodwarper lives too long but i have 2 on uses!

Its not as cut and dry as you may think brotha

[opal mantle]

ppl say that but i always parse way better with double on use even on short fights soo idk

[opal mantle]

what

[plush roost]

Passives are very good, better than 2 on use in keys (except db)

[opal mantle]

i very disagree but only my opinion !

[plush roost]

And in raid, a sub 3:20 kill timer, araz + passive is technically better

Or is it sub 2:40 i cant remember these numbers anymore haha

[opal mantle]

2 40 probably

[azure thicket]

we got soul hunters :Db

[opal mantle]

but its not my xp at all so same idk

[opal mantle]

u just 9 stack prism on cd ? or you hold trinket ?

[plush roost]

Depends from use to use

7 stacks of prism = araz in value btw

Only reason 2 onuse is strong in things like db is where youre flying around alot and losing some prism value and also every single pull needs insane cd value

But there are pulls where sending no trinket into 18 stack eith passive is super good

[azure thicket]

antenna isn't a great playmaker trinket but i think it's great

[hazy breach]

And most pulls are roughly 1:15

[opal mantle]

every pull needs insane cd value everywhere

[hazy breach]

With 15s of flying

It just always line up well

Whereas thats not the case in most other keys

[plush roost]

Gambit, dragon area. You no stack the 2 caster 4 supersaison guys

And 18 stack the big pull aftrr

No prism the murlocs before hymmdal

Etc etc

[opal mantle]

yeah i see what you mean

i just think pressing every pack is mandatory

packs dying faster is just so good

i used to be playing antenna before i could buy araz from the dornogal guy

buying araz changed my life

[plush roost]

Well from multiple 20 21s i can tell you my overall is lower with 2onuse

And so is my boss dam

[azure thicket]

it also comes down to group performance

pugs definitely favor araz where you get sketchy performances constantly

[plush roost]

2onuse also loses you flexibility

You have to send 18 stack

You have to send araz

Sometimes u end up with bad cd lineups vecause of that

[opal mantle]

crazy

[azure thicket]

did a two chested 15 eco with. 3.8k mage who cranked and a solid tank with two on use trinkets, never got a chance to line up

[opal mantle]

my overall much higher with double

19s rn but i dont think it changes much

[warm marlin]

i wonder if forge just didn't decay if ppl would more accurately compare the two

[plush roost]

I wish it decayed at like

A slow into fast rate

Sucks that its like -11kish agi by your second sectec

[azure thicket]

i tried a few 17s this week and it's almost to the point where a few deaths brick a key but araz is still really strong with that amount of wiggle room

[warm marlin]

i imagine in 21s you're just continually chaining the entire dungeon together so passive gets a lot better comparatively

don't think my group is gonna do keys this season

[plush roost]

That was gonna be my next point haha

People tend to forget that we still do damage outside of flag

And youre just missing antenna procs and the passive 8k agility

Whenever im 2 on use its a noticable difference between cds in damage

[warm marlin]

are you sending raw dance/sectec no symbols often

i got that vibe from the little keys i did and it seemed miserable

[plush roost]

Like 4-5 times a key

[warm marlin]

[plush roost]

The secret is to save a tea charge

[warm marlin]

early preview of midnight

[plush roost]

Can go ooe during dance with it

[warm marlin]

energy pooling

[azure thicket]

action wow

[plush roost]

Yeah its a very strange feeling

To just whiteswing for 5 seconds in a large pull

But its worth it

The raw dance is a loy more rare tho, its basically only when you have 1 sod, cds in 20ish seconds and nearly capping on dances from the aoe cdr

And usually when theres like a lot of trash between bosses to utilize the aoe cdr

So like ecodome boss 1 --> 2

[warm marlin]

i remember it consistently happening in the murloc area in gambit

[plush roost]

Not so much anymore

Routes have optimized

You do 3 pulls and youre on boss

But yeah when people pulled like 5 different sets in that area to skip 1 giant

It happened

[azure thicket]

on soul hunters today during the opener with double on use i would get a bunch of sec tec/coup crits and spike to 23m

maybe more antenna is the play

[warm marlin]

antenna pretty good on SH if you're playing the delayed flag timings so you cant 2x on use

i was doing it before we started killing too fast to delay

[azure thicket]

prog kill what are the delayed flag timings?

like a wipe and flag is on cd?

[warm marlin]

no there are a couple places pressing it is cringe since the bosses arent stacked well

or you have to run around during it

[azure thicket]

oh yeah i was settling for two and sending but that's neat

[warm marlin]

the above also lets you pot the last one

[azure thicket]

ye we passed the damage check with an enrage at 8% before wiping for an hour lotta blade dance deaths i was sitting around 9-10 mil most of the pulls

didn't press shadow blades and finished with like 7m for the kill though lol

[plush roost]

I need to sabotage someone or get a buyer in

So we can have a 4:45kill time

These 4:30s killing bosses during zecond intermission stuff

Aint cuttin it

[warm marlin]

time to get the soak, press cloak, then step someone last second

[plush roost]

"Oops sorry my zoomer fingers haha!:

Or we need to crank boss 45 seconds fast, id accept that too

[warm marlin]

are you delaying the 3min flag if you have a 4:30 kill time

could help

[opal mantle]

do we

[long marlin]

how are you popping cds at 5 secs and then 1:27 on Saladbar. Am I missing a cd reduction talent somewhere on shadowblades

@plush roost

[ripe flame]

Blessing of autumn

[narrow night]

autumn is like heroin i wouldnt have thought 5 sec to be such a huge thing but its insanely good

[vale pine]

it is very situational

but if it works, its rly good

[hazy breach]

When blizzard designs mechanics with like 85s inbetween them its really good

[plush roost]

Like others said, blessing of autumn

[bleak night]

i think its blessing of autumn

[maiden oar]

why do they love doing that

[plush roost]

Ye im thinking next time i go passive prism, prism at 1:30 (or maybe beg for autumn and prism 1:25) and then prism at around 3:50ish before they all jump away

Or whatever the timer would be 16 seconds before intermission 2

[warm marlin]

autumn begging is pretty good on that fight

[plush roost]

I just know that if i do that then we have a 4:50 kill time randomly

Its just fate

[fossil forge]

[plush roost]

Dw i have the perfect argument. "The first time you gave me autumn i rank 1 parsed saladbar!"

Hehe

[maiden oar]

yea i would just flag on cd and pray but i am a coward

[plush roost]

I just know that if i play double onuse

And have a 4:50 kill time

Its a 15m parse for sure

[maiden oar]

hopefullt works out

[plush roost]

Haha

[vale pine]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[soft ferry]

its kinda funny going over current m+ logs for sub rogue and clicking on them, just to see that in basically every log the sub rogue is the 3rd dps and quite far behind any other one. let alone trying to pug with it xd

[latent finch]

I mean its a few days old now but sub is still able to do really high keys with good players and perform well. Pugging is a hell tho especially with half the keys now are "note" ones

[soft ferry]

well charrend is also literally top 3 sub rogues so

but yeah i agree pugging as one is awful

even on my feral its bad, and on my shaman its impossible. tanks who just pull a pack a time

and then wonder why i do healer dps

[latent finch]

I looked at eco dome because somehow its the dungeon i has the easiest time to got dmg and you were kinda the first to pop up @plush roost

[plush roost]

Hehe is just funny to see

[soft ferry]

would you say sub is fun to play to slog through pug keys? i was holding of on my rogue but might give it a shot anyway

[latent finch]

I dont play that high key range. Im around 18-19 rn and its kinda fine. You are able to get some invites but the quality is all over the place in that range

[soft ferry]

and enjoying sub gameplay? or is it a bit of a ball ache

i just got feral down more or less, so i dont mind getting into some other dot specs

[latent finch]

I do enjoy sub in m+ alot. But its not a dot spec. You do spread raptures but your still a cd spec and it also playes like one

[soft ferry]

alright

ill try my hands at it

🙂

[opal mantle]

yeah that

you get invited after 30 minutes of queue and its a flip between a full resi 20 group and the most unreal dogshit group with a 9M overall hunt

[fossil forge]

Assa is a doT spec

[plush roost]

Like other classes your damage is actually dependant on the route and tank, just more than usual. Sub actually is insanely good in 19s due to packs usually dying around 1:15-1:20 which allows a cd usage basically every pack

In 20s it has an awkward spot where your cds are always slighlty misaligned, but then in 21 it goes right back to being good

[tulip remnant]

what's the reason behind using Shuriken Storm between the 4pc Coup de Grace procs in SB?

[plush roost]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[severe linden]

Is there a channel for midnight discussion?

[little scaffold]

#midnight-subtlety

[tribal blade]

@plush roost was helping guildies get 12s done, is this dps ok in a priory

haven't done high keys since way before turbo boost, i'm hoping i haven't lost the edge

[plush roost]

bro ina 12 idk if u can accurately evaluate dam

[keen dome]

save some dps for the rest of them, geez.

[tribal blade]

yeah it's weird af

[keen dome]

I've been doing some weekly 10's to help a buddy and constantly sitting at 8 - 9m DPS, which is like, 2 - 3m above everyone else. Sub just deletes bosses in weekly keys with average pugs haha

It feels very nice

[tribal blade]

it does! kinda sad sub isn't the best at the very tippy top range

but overall feels great

[keen dome]

You can carry very hard in lower keys though

if you know how to use your CD's and prism, which makes the content vastly easier

I love gambit because I know I can obliterate the bosses

but a lot of people hate it

Prism is one of my favourite trinkets ever and i will be sad to see it and the gameplay loop go

[tribal blade]

yeah it's pretty cool, doing 50mil burst in keys is amazing

[proven plover]

What loop do you mean, holding it? I mean dont get me wrong its pretty good but there have been cooler items in the past imo. I really liked the jailer trinket and the 2h mace for example

[plush roost]

I did do 13m in a 20 where i was dead for 3 mins on last boss so idk maybe

But like, we also do demonic 5 sharpshooter, 3 lynx, caster, knight pulls and pull dailcry at 7 mins n stuff

So overall looks higher

[keen dome]

Rogue can use 2h maces?? Damn. But also: just holding it for 18 stacks to absolutely demolish a boss. Also the general loop of how Sub plays atm

And how the trinket feeds into that loop

[proven plover]

I just meant items in general, but yea prism is fun aswell

[tribal blade]

oh jesus those are some crazy pulls yeah haha

[hollow spear]

Washed

Jk, I haven't played M+ for an eternity. I think that's pretty good for a 12. Might have benefited from the fury warrior not pushing as hard.

Especially in lower dungeons, your ceiling becomes quite compromised if two other dps align their burst with yours. Stuff dies so fast, you're basically wasting half of your blades and trinket on some pulls.

[azure thicket]

we had a tank in a resil 15 hoa grab the slashers in front of the 2nd boss

like sure play the game it's resil but also

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-sad-spongebob-depressed-spongebob-head-in-hands-spongebob-react-gif-2112710549962906415

also yeah antenna smashes, first pull mirage and saving key moments aside

[plush roost]

Thats what zacs group does isnt it?

[azure thicket]

first time seeing it since the season started

set group i play with sometimes runs a route named no slashers
also i guess you could grab one slasher for count and not get a pack/groundskeeprs but looks like 1 slasher
https://youtu.be/Iy0VC2sU6So?si=53SPIcU42PXQ82U_&t=804

[plush roost]

This is fine.

[tribal blade]

it's these moments i'm super happy i'm nelf

[plush roost]

The maghar damage diff unironically goes craaazy tho

Vanish is enough utility imo

Its pretty rare i say, "wish i was ne here" this season

[azure thicket]

i have two complaints..teams in mdi not having individual streams is tragic and no tanks in the game with a bloodlust

cs2 does a/b multi streams and has caster duos and it's fun viewing experience everytime...mdi stream feels like watching a highlight reel at a bar

[tribal blade]

let me cope, i've been coping for all this time as nelf

ALTHOUGH nelf actually goes way harder for sub in midnight

haste becomes an actual stat

[fossil forge]

Is delaying flag on araz still the move

Or it doesnt even matter now

[azure thicket]

i tried holding cds for the shielded adds to be unshielded and honestly my 2nd parse on that boss was worse

unless your group is cheesing the add spawns to all unshield at the same time it feels like tagging the first unshielding add is still better parsing

[plush roost]

Depends on strat.

Normal 6 min kill timer? Ye hold

Phase during first damage amp? Nah send on pull since intermission will end fast.

Phasing before first intermission? On pull.

To parse? Ye maybe hold

[plush roost]

Idk, dwarf crit damage wins out if id have to guess

[tribal blade]

i think so too

but at least it'll be less useless being nelf dps wise

[opal mantle]

how do you decide if you send prism or not on keys like psf or flood

if you play only 1 use

isnt every pack important ?

you send 9 prism ?

[plush roost]

Route dependent.

Shaynemail route: 0 stack pull 1(duh), 9 stack shaynemail, no stack knight, 18 daimon, 0 emberlanze knight, 18-0 dailcry, 18-9-0 church, 18-0 braunpyke, 18 double pal caster, 9 every pack afterwards

High key route: 0, 9 daimon, 0 emberlanze, 18 knight 5sharp lynx, 0 lightspawn knight, 18 dailcry ^ same order abovr

Floodgate: 0-9-0-18-9-0-18-9-9-0-18-9-9-9-0-18-9-9-9-9

[opal mantle]

dont even know what high key route is on psf but the shaynemail one makes a lot of sense ty

flood im not sure i get everything but thanks

isnt dmg super low on first pull

[fossil forge]

Idk first reclear after killing dimmy

Wanna fix my parse

[plush roost]

0first, 9 scaffolding, 0 scaff, 18 2 shredders, 9-0 demo duo, 18-9-9 mama, 0 triple demo, 18 bloodwarper, 9 kelps, 9-9-9 swampface, 0 electrition platform, 18 jumpstarter electritions, 9 on repeat gigazap

Basically just 18 stack anything that is dangerous or takes a long time

If your demo duo is like a 3:40ish kill timer sending flag a third time is fine as well since theres a bit of walking and gathering mobs between that and bigmama

[opal mantle]

so in high keys you go duo - big mama - the pack downstairs - bloodwarper

ok thanks a lot

ill try this i hope im not too used to playing double trinket

[kindred copper]

are there any beta guides on how to play sub so far ?

[vale pine]

use secret with dance, 2x dance during cooldowns

rest is just very basic

strike as builder in dance, backstab outside, storm on aoe

if you want to be fancy, you can storm once in dance with prmeditaiton

but only if you are talentd into danse macabre

[proper temple]

Is the spec going to be boring with the removal of SoD?

[bleak night]

well it might be boring but symbols being removed is like the lowest possible reason for that

[vale pine]

its still fun

but currently fairly simple

i hope for more updates to make the gameplay more exciting

symbols was fairly irrelevant before, so the removal has little impact

[kindred copper]

why has rupture been removed ?

[vale pine]

probably because of the apex talent

and because they nerfed it heavily before

[kindred copper]

so our only finisher now is eviscerate ?

[vale pine]

evis and secret technique

if we talke single target

BP for aoe too

slice and dice still exists

even tho we don't use it

[kindred copper]

but it refreshes itself doesnt it ?

[vale pine]

yes

you never rly use snd

so its passive

kinda

[kindred copper]

hm do you might have a talent build you can share ?

[vale pine]

#midnight-subtlety has 2 suggestions pinned

[kindred copper]

oh i didn't have a checkmark on that channel, didn't even know it existed

thx 🙂

hope sub is still fun in midnight, dont want to change spec

[vale pine]

i hope so too, but it does not look that bad

[alpine wraith]

yea it can be boring if you like lots of dynamic things

but the baseline seems decent

[tame terrace]

holy aug is op af on dimmy

i out dps ele on opener sometimes on m dimmy lol

bc aug is on my side instead of with ele

[valid ledge]

imagine ele getting the buff tho

am i weird for not wanting to spend a single second in housing in midnight? i dont get the hype over this feature...

[dry plank]

You are not alone bud

[narrow shadow]

It's not for everyone. Why would it make it you weird?

Just many people are excited about it, but many also don't care about it.

[left ledge]

its okay, once you inevitably get bored of the stale ass content in the game

[shrewd lantern]

im gonna make a dick statue outside my house

[left ledge]

you'll want to check it out

[shrewd lantern]

and thats it

[left ledge]

you log onto NA servers, you look for a key and there's only fucking 3 listed

there is literally nothing to do

pve is stale and practically dead

and pvp has been dead

at least ill get my own private place to run circles around in

[keen dome]

make a cat house

[bleak night]

real

[upper rock]

i have the problem to keep thistle tea charges up, theyre gone so fast, does it mean i manage my energy bad?

[vale pine]

you don't need to

just macro tea to dance and if you have it, nice, if you don't fine too

[upper rock]

oh well ok, thanks for the heads up ^^

and whats our way to sim M+?

[vale pine]

dungeon slice is for m+ gearing

[tame terrace]

it would be busted af, but we didnt have our aug for a buncha weeks and just got them back and we didnt want to rearrange the whole goddamned puddle assignments

[proper temple]

Same. Zero care factor here too

[cunning acorn]

why do people use a dance first in some raid bosses before going blades and flag?

[alpine wraith]

some bosses have timings where adds spawn later

[fleet acorn]

The holy Pala skill for cd reduction on Nexus King does he have it normally or only when talented ? When am I supposed to get it ?

[tepid trellis]

its a talent at the bottom of their tree

that rotates between each 4 seasons every time you press

[fleet acorn]

Thanks gotta Check the Talent tree I think out holy Pala doesn’t have it

[tepid trellis]

autumn should come up something like 45 sec into the fight

pretty sure they play it by default

[fossil forge]

they play it by default for mana or something

[tepid trellis]

yeh and a healing buff

[fleet acorn]

Does he need a macro for it that I receive the buff ?

[tepid trellis]

he just needs to target you with it

[fleet acorn]

Or I’m Not sure how it works

K Gotcha ill Talk about that before Next raid again

[random hare]

https://tenor.com/view/prairie-dog-tongue-sticking-tongue-out-sticking-out-tongue-nya-gif-5739499488581936739

[fleet acorn]

We played part 1 clean yesterday need it soon

[random hare]

Stealthi u like my hedgehog

Im starting to learn

@leaden prairie

Taught me animal names

[fossil forge]

Bro that aint a hedgehog

U trippin

[random hare]

?

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/run-gif-13064017758136282204

This hedgehog no?

[random hare]

Idk isnt this a racoon

Or a pufferfish

Wait fish are in ocean

[fossil forge]

Pufferfish is a fish bro

[random hare]

Yae my b

[fossil forge]

Pufferfishes are goated though

[random hare]

They delicious or

[fossil forge]

Did u ever eat one in minecraft

crazy trip

[random hare]

Idk i wasnt playing when they were a thing

[fossil forge]

U need to have like a diploma to cook them otherwise they are poisonous

Irl

[random hare]

I think i ate one

Irl

[fossil forge]

i would love to try it

Has to be good

[random hare]

I did eat some poisonous fish

That were non poisonous cuz giga chef

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/m4kktruck-getintoitya-hasbulla-gif-24294280

[random hare]

[alpine wraith]

big puffer maybe that is our next poison

[fossil forge]

Fishing for poison bro dont give them ideas

[alpine wraith]

they know something we dont that is why they changed DB

trust

[torn sable]

how the fuck do you turn these things on

[tepid trellis]

spend talent points into them from the spec tree

[torn sable]

ohhh

🤦‍♂️

cheers

wonder why the suggested/starter build doesn't put points into them, sub probably the only dps spec for which that is the case

[fallow nimbus]

They didn't exist when the starter build was put in

[torn sable]

[clever delta]

"fuu

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[eager latch]

do you guys send cds on that very first pack in streets?

the 5 pack

maybe the timers work out better in higher keys, but I feel like I'm limp dicking the next lust pull waiting 20-30 secs for cds

[wet echo]

who cares about BL tho?

[eager latch]

it's just a much bigger pull

like 8-12 mobs instead of the 5? at the start

idk, just thinking about value

[alpine wraith]

never worth to hold cds for long

just let other people carry you on dmg soetimes

[eager latch]

thanks hachagoat

[alpine wraith]

although if you see some top logs there are some silly things you will see

but it is likely because they have a fixed strat with timers

and not play for overall but for timing keys

[maiden oar]

https://tenor.com/view/roingus-roing-roig-roingus-generator-gif-22796874

what animal is this

[plush roost]

Always, ur a 1:30 class where all your damage is in the 1:30s

[eager latch]

thanks charGOAT

[karmic harbor]

think it depends on the key level / comp

tbh

but i havent played m+ in 2 months

[hazy breach]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[hazy breach]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[eager latch]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[latent finch]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[runic garden]

how much differnet is sub in midnight

[charred kestrel]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1422984870132580422

[runic garden]

did not see this thanks alot

[dry plank]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[sacred gull]

Sometimes when I solo soak with tank on Nexus under feint I get mid life and sometimes I get one shot with feint as well

Is it about how the tank mitigate/absorbs the dmg of the soak ? What could fluctuate this ? I know I shouldn't be solo soaking but sometimes I miss first soak 😅

[tepid trellis]

depends on how many are in it

if you wanna do a soak with tank do it with cloak not feint

[alpine wraith]

yea like stealthi said maybe there is some healer or other global cd going

but you would want to cloak to avoid any 1 taps

[fleet acorn]

What reason u soak with tank ?
Noone Doing that for us

[tepid trellis]

if he misses the one he is meant to soak

[fleet acorn]

Oh ok so to correct a soak mistake i see

How do I Tell my Guild our Holy Pala needs to Play Blessing and cdr me ? I just looked at our past Logs he is Not Even playing it

[fleet acorn]

Guess theres no articel about that couldnt find a Holy Pala Guide which explains it

[alpine wraith]

yea just tell him you are going to go big dick dps trust

[woeful wren]

how it feels in M+ atm

[radiant swift]

what a shitty person

[fossil forge]

Open dk logs into classic red class abuser without hands

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[worldly dome]

Helllo!

Can I bother y'all for loot decisions?

Either grabbing Logic Gate alpha to replace jastor diamond

or grabbing Araz's ritual forge

I'm tempted for the ring, but it's quite the drop in mastery

[placid elk]

get the trinket and craft a ring to replace the jastor

[worldly dome]

Got it -- and for my understanding is the Araz trinket best used in tandom with S.Blades/Flag and then whenever it's up afterwards?

Bc I noticed the cooldowns are off

1.5m vs 2m

[placid elk]

you kinda need fractilus trinket with araz

you got that even on heroic or normal?

[worldly dome]

Not yet

but can grab it with my last cartel chip potentially

[warm marlin]

you can use araz as a 3 minute trinket for now, just macroed into blades

it will be better than screams

both those rings are really bad though (the ones you have on), would probably craft 2 of them

[worldly dome]

And for the netherprism (fract trinket), probably best if I get a weakaura for that?

[placid elk]

if u want, there are a lot of them, if not just use araz on pull, prism at the next 1.5, then araz, then prism etc

true your rings are crap, you dont want haste

[warm marlin]

ye if you're playing araz/prism you just use prism with blades whenever you don't have araz up, dont need to track the stacks necessarily

if youre holding blades for a real long time in keys and you have a large stacked prism you may press it instead of araz

for raid though itll always be alternated

[worldly dome]

Thanks for the tips! Yea i heard /use trinkets were best for sub rn

[fossil forge]

Whats ideal autumn Timing for saladbar

[hazy breach]

The first one

No particular timing needed

[fossil forge]

Thanks eleem

surely autumn will save my parse on reclear hopium

[solar gale]

if I have coup ready and 7cp before blades, should i sectec-> shuriken storm->coup->shuriken storm->coup? This seems save 1 stack of Escalating Blade

[hazy breach]

No, only storm once

Doing it the way you said usually wastes an escalating blade stack anyway because you dont do enough strikes to use all of them before secteching again

And you lose the proc+the flawless form stack

[solar gale]

Thanks, that makes sense

[chrome palm]

@plush roost have you tried fully skipping shaynemaile in 20 priory? some tank mentioned it was good for sub, and that you did it

[sweet current]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[eager latch]

what are some route sub optimizations you've seen across diff keys?

[plush roost]

All the good priory routes skip shayne tbb