its already out of date
#subtlety
vale pine
you don't have this super long downtimes anymore
because dance cd was reduced
but the iteration just has many other problems
fossil forge
Watch shindigs vid
vale pine
blizz removed some core elements which made it work and seemingly
fossil forge
vale pine
did not plan to spend a lot of time to iterate after
tho probably realized after some early feedback
that they need to, but its hard to predict how much "extra time" they actually have
because the release shedule seems fairly tight
tulip folio
we gonna kill dim on reset
how many pulls , asking coz we will start dim soon
just interest whats avg pull for guilds to beat it
tribal blade
how many pulls , asking coz we will start dim soon
looks like we're at 317
it's gonna be easier for your guild to prog with turbo boost and full raid buff
but it's a complicated fight, there's a lot of different moving parts
latent finch
We started after turbo boost. And sadly we have just to few braincells over 20 people to get out of p1 consistently even after 170 pulls 
humble rover
how much of a dps increase would an offhand weapon be compared to like a chest, i have a vague memory of offhand not doing too much with dps, unless it has a certain dmg affix on it
tribal blade
how much of a dps increase would an offhand weapon be compared to like a chest, ...
it's the literal lowest dps increase
offhand
out of all slots
chest, legs and helm are the highest impact tier slots
latent finch
it doesn't take much to die in P1
Yea we are also still not consistant on the gate devoure for some reason... WIth that inconsistency we will farm so many pulls till we get through that boss
tribal blade
Yea we are also still not consistant on the gate devoure for some reason... WIth...
the platform bosses?
platforms are pretty cursed yeah
so much out of your control haha
tulip folio
looks like we're at 317
nice gl
tribal blade
just have to pray every pull the ranged kill the right add
tribal blade
nice gl
ty! should die on reset, if not my raid team is gonna be demoralized
very easily could have died last raid night
latent finch
How does it comes always back t owait for ranges to get their shit togheter xD
tulip folio
yeah i feel ya lots of pressure thoes type of times
tribal blade
playing sub on the fight feels like so much plate spinning
i experimented with a bunch of cd usage
my RL made the call for our spriest to start holding dps in P1 so me and our WW could get our 1.5 min cds back before plat 1
which was very nice
we were sometimes pushing so fast i would have like 15ish seconds left on flag on landing
even longer
lilac stag
I hope we kill NK today. My poor broken eyes can’t take another week of looking for ghosts.
tribal blade
I hope we kill NK today. My poor broken eyes can’t take another week of looking ...
YOU GUYS GOT THIS
and then will be on to wishing you could be back on NK again lol
lilac stag
Maybe we both celebrate kills tonight
tribal blade
when you're doing dim
lilac stag
nah. dim I can mostly see everything on
NK is the worst fight for my vision issues by far
tribal blade
depends on if we have to reprog with a new person
yeah it sucks, i also have bad vision
i got around it by completely stopping my rotation during ghosts
lilac stag
horse blinders looking for 3 ghosts. Weeeeee
tribal blade
and then using my peripherals to locate them
lilac stag
I don’t have peripheral 
tribal blade
haha fair enough
tribal blade
the ghosts are interesting on the fight
it's something completely in your own hands
nobody else can help you
lilac stag
What’s also fun. The strength trinket “visual spawn” looks very close to the ghost spawn.
tribal blade
oh that's cursed
lilac stag
the fight is fun, just visual disabilities not be fun and there’s no way to really help it
tribal blade
dim is kind of a lot to handle as a fight
but it's definitely easier to see things
WELL
actually no
his hands are really stupid in P1
you'll wipe a bunch to people not being able to see
trying to rescue people with him cockblocking with his hands is so bad
maiden oar
how much of a dps increase would an offhand weapon be compared to like a chest, ...
for me it was a decent upgrade a little into the season because it let me swap off of ascendance and onto gem lens as an embellishment but thats a rare case
lilac stag
Unironically the best spot for me to see the ghosts I can’t go because it baits the tornados in a bad location.
maiden oar
but i was so happy to get the 2nd loom dagger
generally low prio
couldve also recrafted but the sim only really liked the embellishment swap after i got the 2nd gene splicer for some reason
lilac stag
trying to rescue people with him cockblocking with his hands is so bad
I swear at times they think we’re playing. First Person POV
maiden oar
the hand is so evil
i had to learn a new camera angle to see the little puddles when the soak goes live because his fat fingers hid one once
disaster!
lilac stag
blizz keeps trying to make visual clarity better and then they do that
Which again why nothing going to 12.0 until I can test it or actually see what it happening.
I’m hopeful it will work, but also very cautious with it.
ancient viper
!wa
wicked joltBOT
clever delta
i was so tilted with assa last reclear that i will play sub again on last two 😄
this random cdr drive me crazy
pale stream
Anyone know what talent we had on beta before this:
It looks like they changed the Deepening Shadows to prolong Shadow Dance instead of reducing its CD or was it like this too before? 🙂
hazy breach
#midnight-subtlety But its improved shadow dance that was removed
void ocean
this random cdr drive me crazy
Rly? How about having 10 pulls in a row no Coup proc in TFD
One of em ended up being kill pull (NK)
I was fckin fuming
hazy breach
Skill issue not using sectech before dying
Keeping disorienting strikes for the next pull
void ocean
Now im ready to be even more pissed off with those damn Dimmy timers
Gonna turn into Pilav
faint leaf
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
bright elk
is assa better than sub on Dimmy now? thought it was the other way around but theyre higher on wcl rankings
edgy zenith
chrome palm
is assa better than sub on Dimmy now? thought it was the other way around but th...
assa is reliant on the 4pc cdr bug to be competitive on dimensius
strange chasm
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
willow mantle
assuming we're not considering a movement heavy fight like dimmy, how close/far is using prism/antenna vs prism/ritual forge? the sim says double on use isn't accurate
bleak night
i believe they went in and made sure double on use was accurate for prism this patch
tulip folio
guys im playing with ascendance on my dagger and wrist that double effect for embelishments in case i get another myth track gene splicer what should i go as embelishments becouse we want to have 3 myth track loom daggers right
?
lilac stag
that’s a sim question
chrome palm
assuming we're not considering a movement heavy fight like dimmy, how close/far ...
its extremely specific to kill timings and sims dont necessary show the best usage for all fight timings
willow mantle
its extremely specific to kill timings and sims dont necessary show the best usa...
gotcha, what would you recommend then?
chrome palm
forge/prism is good, just make sure that you always use prism with your last blades
willow mantle
and alternate usage before yeah?
chrome palm
generally yes, but if you have a ~4:00 kill timing, you can do
0:00 - blades/forge/potion
0:20 - prism
2:00 - blades/forge
3:30 - blades/prism
viral phoenix
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
viral phoenix
how important is stacking stuff before p3 dimmy? Like pressing a raw symbols for supercharger / getting shadow technique stacks up at the end of pargoth, I find that it's hard to do any of that meaningfully and shadow dance the last ad set on pargoth. Is it one or the other?
assuming timer where you can send at beginning of pargoth / dimensius
fossil forge
Very actually
shrewd lantern
almost 9 mil dimengy
do you guys hold dps
clever delta
do ppl start skipping cds on second platform just to have it for burn?
fossil forge
Yes
fossil forge
you can cd both with hpal ig
tepid trellis
probably alot of em on wago
humble rover
dear lord what do i take
chrome palm
do you guys hold dps
yeah
azure thicket
socket on ring is cheep i think nerub signet is da bis
iron obsidian
dear lord what do i take
sim it and see, especially since you can put sockets on rings for gold anyways
humble rover
sim it and see, especially since you can put sockets on rings for gold anyways
I don't think sim matters, i am 695 itemlvl ill replace all gear soon enough
iron obsidian
I don't think sim matters, i am 695 itemlvl ill replace all gear soon enough
theyre both myth track, right?
tepid trellis
707 so yeh
iron obsidian
then yeah sim it
humble rover
Still dont think sim matters for thr future when i have 695 itemlvl, according to "bis" list on wowhead i should take high nerubian signet
humble rover
But bis lists are usually hard to attain anyways
iron obsidian
for the love of god
humble rover
But what will sim do when i replace 1/3 of my gear today
tepid trellis
its likely an item you wont replace, thats why
iron obsidian
because both are myth you wont be replacing one of them
humble rover
I understand i wont replace the ring, but the sim result will be skewed since it might favor 1 ring now, but that ring might be worse later today
So again
What will a sim do in this situation
iron obsidian
it will tell you which one to take for the future
humble rover
Wat
tepid trellis
take the vers mast one if you only play sub, take the crit vers one if you also play assa
iron obsidian
theyre both vers mast
humble rover
Yeap
tepid trellis
tru its the neck from priory thats crit
take the one with the most mastery on then
for no perticular reason
humble rover
Sus
mental wyvern
Dang, I really like how strong Shadowstrike feels on Midnight Beta and you know when it's available, you just smash it.
Simple as.
rugged condor
alpine wraith
hmm
lilac stag
found the blizzard plant
vale pine
there is nothing wrong with strike doing damage
void ocean
you can cd both with hpal ig
it turns out u dont get this on prog 😄
imagine healing output being more important than my parse, fckin selfish pricks
fossil forge
My hpal is holding autumn for my macro
Bro 0 care
average i need to use it to get mana vs sigma i dont care u blast
maiden oar
dont ask how many ppl were above me i dont wanna answer
lost thistle
Hey guys !
Do someone can recommend me a good video guide to play sub this season ?
maiden oar
shindig guide from 11.1
all that changed is tier set stuff
and bp threshold
bp on 4+
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
maiden oar
rest of the info is good
lost thistle
Aight, i will take a look at him. Thanks buddy, I really appreciate
fossil forge
dont ask how many ppl were above me i dont wanna answer
7?
Wats rank1 rn
Nvm bro is r1
maiden oar
rugged condor
<a:nukochortle:1072602273944969296>
Oh W you're a hollow purple guy. Is rev still there
maiden oar
yeah
rugged condor
Tell him i said hi :3 old guildie
rugged condor
Oh you used a lily on ur kill. Ig that's the new meta if the kill time is fast?
maiden oar
yeah
3 flag w forge prism is ideally
f1 - 0:00 w/ forge
f2 - 2:00 w/ forge
f3 - 3:30 w/ 18 stacker
but if u get 3:30 kt then lily is nice bc u get the 18 stacks still
idk how to sim top gear w specific exact killtime so i dunno what single on use is like
rugged condor
I had single on use and ppl would just use prism on cd pretty much
fossil forge
Using the clanker to its max potentional
rugged condor
I just came back to raiding recently so im not terribly familiar with the new tech. You held finishers for 40s prior to your 2nd set of cds. Are the extra combo points that valuable. I thought the general advice was 20s prior if you had coup
maiden oar
there are alot of people more experienced and smarter than me who can just use raidbots to answer things i constantly wonder about
and im kinda jealous
bc im left to wonder and guess
i should lesrn
maiden oar
I just came back to raiding recently so im not terribly familiar with the new te...
no way i did it 40s
fossil forge
Blud held coup for 40 seconds ?
maiden oar
i dont think so
rugged condor
no way i did it 40s
Wait my math is bad i didn't see that last evisc
fossil forge
20 is aight no
maiden oar
ppl say 10
but i feelycraft 15
idk why i did 20 i dont think thats good
but oh well worked out
rugged condor
I mean you did something right xd
maiden oar
theres some variance to this spec
rugged condor
Ya im not a fan of variance
fossil forge
there are lots of evil techniques
maiden oar
so its not like i did every decision perfect
im sure theres stuff i could improve on but sometimes u win big anyway
the vanish opener is for predisorient btw
limpid sage
idk why i did 20 i dont think thats good
20 is good - it's what the sim does
limpid sage
it does?
maiden oar
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
maiden oar
no i just did what ryldd in here said
strike evisc vanish strike fla
g
if u have predisorient
maiden oar
yea u need the cheese
limpid sage
I've started doing symbols pre-ss when I have prepull cheese
you get a lot of sht stacks
fossil forge
I think bro used cb sectech in the first dance on dimmy
Is this worth doing to do more add damage
maiden oar
i dont know
idk how sectech dmg falloff scales on 4 targets
and avg ff stacks / flag / danse / whatever amps on 2nd sectech
if i said something confident id be lying to u
maiden oar
yea no idea what the ev on that is
could be good could be bad but i think that guy is good so i trust him
fossil forge
There is a guy with the same name on the cord but im not sure If thats him
maiden oar
yea maybe but if he doesnt post here much im hesitant to bother him
maiden oar
fossil forge
i just hope its actually him HAHA
rugged condor
Surely
fleet acorn
Isnt cb sectech only like 1% dmg difference when using in a macro instead of solo in Flag window on First Dance
Doesn’t rly make difference if u Play Rest fine still rocking 95+ Logs
tribal blade
Isnt cb sectech only like 1% dmg difference when using in a macro instead of sol...
might be not sure about the exact %
thing is this tier is a lot of dmg amp fights
plus you're sending cds at pivotal moments
so the difference is prob bigger
like you can imagine having CB on cd going into a dmg amp window is a pretty substantial loss
bleak wind
<@215577139653640192> brotherman broman
yes?
bleak wind
just feelycraft honestly, might not be actually better
real panther
does someone have an "already done" sim to compare all the embelish?
fossil forge
Its minimal dont think it matters
real panther
I know
fossil forge
Im running double lens
real panther
I've just run few of them. double lens stays top no matter what yes
I was wondering why some using ascendance but I think it's to double spec sin
quaint lodge
does someone have an "already done" sim to compare all the embelish?
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
quaint lodge
if it exists its in there
maiden oar
No BP
oh ok
ive been doing just nothing for 20s
but bot command says -20s coup hold -10s do nothing (so i assume at -20s through -11s i should be bping or rupturing)
but i will continue doing nothing
we love backstab
and its feelycraft but more sht in flag = more fun
plush roost
<@141665120764952576>
My team has no DH 🙁
And im the only one whi kniws how to play dh rn
tribal blade
dh funnel just too good right now
plush roost
Ye
tribal blade
i see good things in ara
plush roost
Same niche, more boss dam more prio
tribal blade
oh the ranged were being monkeys with killing the wrong add on platforms haha
and since push timings are wonky
if i land on plat 1 with flag on cd for like 15-20 secs
the tail end of cds carries over to the soaks
plush roost
Havent done dimmy for 5 weeks xd
tribal blade
and my cleave hits the wrong adds
plush roost
Timings are just omega cursed
tribal blade
dude it's so cursed right now lol
plush roost
Arent they
tribal blade
i don't have the best raid team and if dps is good flag is off by quite a bit for plat 1
i experimented with not sending 2nd cd set on P1 to have it up immediately for plat 1
but my raid team doesn't do enough dam for that to be good
if you have a raid of rank 1 parsers i think you could likely not send 2nd cd set
so my RL just asked our dh and spriest to stop doing damage halfway through P1
so we pushed right before the last knock
plush roost
It would literally be easier if people just didnt collect orbs
And just played normal
tribal blade
true yeah, i think some teams are doing that
we're doing that and skipping the cursed orb for plat 1
if we have 20/20 alive
oh we killed it today btw haha
tribal blade
thank god
maiden oar
my RL asked me today on dim if i could turn off my cleave
ppl ask me to not play sub on soulbinder
maiden oar
its so funny
they hate it
they saw i wasnt sin this week and someone called me evil
maybe next week ill play sin
tribal blade
haha it's a meme boss anyways
maiden oar
it is
fossil forge
be the evil rogue
tribal blade
i think the play is you have half the raid not do dmg 1 week and let everyone else parse
then swap it next week
maiden oar
i think the play is you have half the raid not do dmg 1 week and let everyone el...
and i play sub every week and i do damage
tribal blade
and i play sub every week and i do damage
hellll yeah
this is a weird iteration of sub
where we're doing monster cleave but bad ST
fossil forge
Sub is peak atm
plush roost
I wish blizzard didnt abandon the patch
fossil forge
we are not red class we cant do everything men
plush roost
And just did some tuning
fossil forge
Blizzard sipping on double mojito somewhere on Maldives rn
plush roost
Literally how hard are aura buffs at this point
U can see performance on fract salad dimmy m+
Just move a few knobs
maiden oar
this is a weird iteration of sub
i have nothing to compare it to im new
this is all ive ever known
vale pine
I wish blizzard didnt abandon the patch
they did that a lot this xpac
maiden oar
i prefer doing good boss dam if i have to pick
but subs fun so whatever
ill play to my guys strengths
maiden oar
U can see performance on fract salad dimmy m+
grrr
i should just play sin but i hate the 4pc bug
maiden oar
oh ok
plush roost
Ban him
maiden oar
what the
plush roost
Haha jk
plush roost
He was soaking the traps on the big mini zofar and linked to me and instead of moving towards me he dragged me into traps while i was eyebeaming xd
We were already behind so it was joever
Im not actually mad but was like omg ik that name
plush roost
Which boss was this btw
tribal blade
i have nothing to compare it to im new
sub has classically back in the day been a good ST but absolutely horrible cleave spec
for many years
lilac stag
@tribal blade did you stop at .3 or did you guys finish?
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064> did you stop at .3 or did you guys finish?
WE KILLED IT
finally
lilac stag
Yay
maiden oar
Which boss was this btw
fractillus
lilac stag
Gz
tribal blade
now your turn
maiden oar
He was soaking the traps on the big mini zofar and linked to me and instead of m...
hehehe
lilac stag
now your turn
cya in 7 weeks
maiden oar
sub has classically back in the day been a good ST but absolutely horrible cleav...
this sounds up my alley
tribal blade
Im not actually mad but was like omg ik that name
haha i feel this so much
tribal blade
cya in 7 weeks <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
you guys got this
lilac stag
@tribal blade how many days of prog did you end up on in total?
tribal blade
not sure how many days
but i think it ended up being something like 330ish pulls
but a lot of those pulls are with not fully done turbo boost and raid buff
lilac stag
So likely 5 weeks ish
tribal blade
so you guys are gonna have a much easier time
because some of the big dmg events will be a lot easier to manage with turboboost ilvl
lilac stag
nope but people just didn’t progress for extended periods of time
What was the spider boss with the raid split. We crushed that one.
apparently good dancers in groups.
Shit solo routines. Hahah
tribal blade
lol yeah NK is definitely a personal responsibility boss
lilac stag
I liked it overall. Would have enjoyed it more if I could turn off friendly visuals.
tribal blade
dim is interesting in the way where your raid's dmg is important
and where people put their dmg
lilac stag
Surely better in midnight.
tribal blade
i just xfered over my rogue to the beta today
saw everything i had to set up, felt anxiety and logged out
i'll deal with it tomorrow
tribal blade
i at the very minimum want to get a good UI going
maiden oar
yea i plan to do this before the years over
limpid sage
are you guys popping cds on pargoth
I'm not sure if I'm able to send both on pargoth and dimmy
lilac stag
@tribal blade did you pay for it or happen to get in?
maiden oar
are you guys popping cds on pargoth
my guild does something strange where we hold on pargoth platform for winds but dont hold any other time
and on one of our reclears i popped on pargoth and not artoshion and it felt fine
last reclear i popped on artoshion and it also felt fine
i think the way i decide as long as we are going to do the pargoth hold (assuming i can fly fast to pargoth platform / get autumn) is based on p1 push timing since we have buyers
if we push p1 fast enough to make it so my flag on artoshion would suck i will flag pargoth
limpid sage
last reclear i popped on artoshion and it also felt fine
I get cds for artoshion like 3 sec after landing
maiden oar
but im confident in my dragonriding speed/autumn giver
limpid sage
we don't push p1 very fast
limpid sage
but it seems like people send giga cds on pargoth and I'm first able to send cds on him at like 50%
limpid sage
ya think so
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064> did you pay for it or happen to get in?
i bought the epic edition
paid for it with gold, not real money 😉
lilac stag
I see
maiden oar
yeah i paid w gold too
tribal blade
i now only have 7.5 mil gold
maiden oar
i got a boe
tribal blade
i'm a POOR
maiden oar
and i turned the boe into midnight beta
swift tinsel
how much is it with gold?
swift tinsel
hm that's not bad actually
swift tinsel
nvm not worth lol
plush roost
Gimme 8(
eager locust
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
lilac stag
what a fitting last sub vault
Hunter time afk time?
haughty mural
probably prepping warrior and hunter ye
was about to try find groups for NK
but im demotivated to play rogue now
haughty mural
Hunter time afk time?
you are progging dimmy ?
austere elm
THE DILEMMA (for 8th week):
- we dont reclear
- got no araz trinket ever from vault even if we did
- using mythic pacemaker+hc prism
- having 1 dinar atm. (used the other for main dagger)
- no mythic boots either..
I wanted the araz+prism combo for such a long time (especially for m+). but the mythic pacemaker siming better than any heroic combo.
Shall I use the dinar on:
- mythic araz+hc prism
- mythic pacemaker+mythic prism
- go for the boots
?
warm marlin
what do you plan on doing with this gear
last 2 mythic prog, keys, chilling?
(it's probably just mythic prism)
hazy breach
Yeah if you dont have mythic prism its mythic prism in 99/100 cases
austere elm
what do you plan on doing with this gear
last two prog and the "big" 19 keys are on the platter.
hollow spear
If you're not progging 7 and 8, I wouldn't go for double on use
warm marlin
last two prog and the "big" 19 keys are on the platter.
prism now boots in 2 weeks with 3rd dinar
hope for araz on reclear in a while maybe but it's not that big
prism passive is fine
austere elm
yea, the sims are kinda suggesting the same. biggest upgrade is prism, then boots. but i wanted try out the trinket combo soo badly for m+..never really had the chance, since i got the mythic pacemaker like very early, which i was obviously happy about, but its kinda boring and the double on use better optimisation for keys, i assume. anyway, ty fellas!
warm marlin
could always just buy araz instead of boots, i just think boots are stronger for prog at this point and araz is mostly pad
especially on last 2
austere elm
true
warm marlin
i know eleem is a believer that double on use is bad in keys i dont push on rogue so cant comment too much
hazy breach
i know eleem is a believer that double on use is bad in keys <:garf:132017303274...
Nah its only bad if you end up holding cds often, which doesnt happen in every key
Last i checked the top chinese guy is using passives in most keys, but not in dawnbreaker and something else
lilac stag
you are progging dimmy ?
We start tomrrow.
lilac stag
thanks.
Hopefully goes better than NK. We had too many roster subs
Took us a week longer than it likely should have
haughty mural
i'll press my thumbs
upper rock
we use prism just on cd with SB or we wait?
plush roost
yea, the sims are kinda suggesting the same. biggest upgrade is prism, then boot...
2onuse in keys isnt really all that, you lose boss dps and value if theres downtime or awkward cd usage
karmic harbor
we use prism just on cd with SB or we wait?
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
hollow spear
Last i checked the top chinese guy is using passives in most keys, but not in da...
Passives?
So no on use at all?
plush roost
So no on use at all?
He means pace/antenna/sigil + prism
vale pine
^ basically not "two on use"
plush roost
That highly depends on the request
cinder tinsel
i need some advice on vc about subtlety
i dont understand them they are very complicated
can u help me
cinder tinsel
i read the wowhead one
latent finch
!wa
wicked joltBOT
lilac stag
i'll press my thumbs
I’m just hoping I’m not as triggered by lack of peripheral. NK was rough. I think dealing with big dumb fists maybe a bit easier.
wild hornet
first antenna this season
karmic harbor
gz
void ocean
anyone figured how that rank 15 teleport to raid works
warm marlin
@hazy breach shouldnt this be impossible
does the dance recast lockout not account for tfd
warm marlin
there is a vod attached and you can clearly see dance get refreshed half a second before it ends
hazy breach
Does the macabre reset
warm marlin
yep
I swear Ive mashed tf out of dance at the end of tfd
not recently
but it never refreshed the buff
hazy breach
If the macabre resets then its just bad no
fluid fiber
anyone feels like the coup de grace procs in ara kara are totally off, too? it's so weird, everytime I am in Ara I don't get much procs, it's literally the only dungeon where I have this
hazy breach
As i imagine it doesnt pandemic
warm marlin
it did not pandemic 
poor guy just lost dance uptime
also im not an expert but doesnt autumn only come up 45s in
this guy got it insta on pull
i wonder if it accelerated the icd of dance
and let him recast it early
hexed sluice
anyone figured how that rank 15 teleport to raid works
spellbook, general TWW raid teleports spell menu similar to the dungeon ports
void ocean
spellbook, general TWW raid teleports spell menu similar to the dungeon ports
I swear i went through spellbook and didnt see
Will check again tomorrow
hexed sluice
Should be raids below the season specific one
It will also contain the undermine one
if you have it
Maybe if you dont have undermine its just the manaforge one and not the path spellbook
gray cradle
Does the macabre reset
is it possible to keep macabre stacks in between shadow dances?
uncut oriole
I wanted to sim a meme shadow damage build against the standard ST one, and the number didn't make sense, so I ran the meme build on quick sim and now it makes sense. It just spams gloomblade for 4:30 
fossil forge
@left ledge
hazy breach
is it possible to keep macabre stacks in between shadow dances?
No
gray cradle
ty
short aurora
@gray cradle nice pfp
hazy breach
I wanted to sim a meme shadow damage build against the standard ST one, and the ...
💀 Oups 💀
But yeah even with it working properly gloomblade is horrible right now. It effectively costs 2 talent points and buffs your backstab by like 30-50%
And when your backstabs are 1.5%-2% of your damage
Thats a very poor investment for 2 talent points
uncut oriole
Oh yeah I knew it would be pretty bad in comparison, just wasn't expecting a 4 mill+ damage loss 
wicked urchin
Is it possible to have CDs up for the very start of P3 dim without autumn? They're coming up like 3 or so seconds after the damage amp starts for me
chrome palm
this keeps happening to me on g38/g64 of eco dome, but never on g34, with perma tricks and frame saying tank has aggro
tank says it might be z axis from stairs, any ideas?
fallen depot
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tribal blade
this keeps happening to me on g38/g64 of eco dome, but never on g34, with perma ...
yeah that's happened to me too
does it have something to do with tank being out of range
because when it happened to me the tank was mid gather
chrome palm
guildie said terrain
distant bison
we ll be calling this season "good old days" so u guys better enjoy it
spec will be dead in midnight
chrome palm
we ll be calling this season "good old days" so u guys better enjoy it
i remember 11.2 sub
maiden oar
lunar widget
how are subs getting flag off at 2:56 on salad bar?
potent relic
how are subs getting flag off at 2:56 on salad bar?
blessing of autumn ?
lunar widget
oh duh! thx
minor spruce
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
ember hound
i heard they fixed it a while back but does anyone else get double tapped by the pools in p1 on dimmy dome?
am i just not moving away fast enough as the pool is dropping?
tepid trellis
it ticks quite fast if it drops
ember hound
yeah but on logs i get hit twice at the same time
i think its some corner shenanigans with another person being too close; all good thanks stealthi
cursive vapor
!up
wicked joltBOT
worn oyster
Can someone explain in simple terms the rotation of sub rogue? Like without min maxing too much, what is the general rotation for pve content/dps
I see the guides, does it mostly just revolve around secret technique
alpine wraith
yes that and doing dances correctly
lilac stag
Can someone explain in simple terms the rotation of sub rogue? Like without min ...
!mistakes is the tldr
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
clever holly
Can someone explain in simple terms the rotation of sub rogue? Like without min ...
It got better for me after I stopped watching the sec tec CD and treated it like a dance charge and then I started taking my time with spending between flag
So I didn't loose track of how often I used shadow dance and symbols
Also coming from playing classes like enhance and fury warrior it took some time to treat downtime or not pressing buttons as a friend 😂
alpine wraith
yea using sec tech outside dance is advanced things you want to bother with later
dry plank
!wa
wicked joltBOT
latent finch
It got fixed
tulip folio
hmmm
me falling in dawn ship everytime i try land on it is not that important but pre stacking prism is
latent finch
Dawnbreaker is the buggiest shit but i do find it nice knowing i did not lose alot of dmg in the first pull by not sitting 3 min before keystart hitting something and then get out and in at the right time etc
fleet acorn
anyone here with 99/100 mythic raid logs and can tell me if hes bound netherprism in Blades macro or he presses it solo
fleet acorn
thats fine too u press solo or together in macro?
just wanna keep my buttons down and tryna improve
vagrant fulcrum
thats fine too u press solo or together in macro?
the way you can do it is macro both araz and prism into the macro with araz being the higher line
then if for w/e reason you had to hold blades and you've got a situation with both araz off cd and prism with 16+ stacks then you need a separate prism bind to activate it before pressing blades macro
macro will always send araz if avaliable then prism on alternate uses assuming you've not held blades over 30s
plush roost
anyone here with 99/100 mythic raid logs and can tell me if hes bound netherpris...
I dont macro prism
alpine wraith
i dont even macro blades!
warm marlin
I have a different macro setup for each fight with different conditions spread across 3 keybinds
plush roost
Wildin i just krangle my fingers
Youd think with pot and trinkets on ctrl, id put blades as crt 1
alpine wraith
on my dimmy kill im fat fingered flag from healthstone kek
plush roost
But no
alpine wraith
flag is on 5 stone on 6
plush roost
Blades is ctrl q, flag is ctrl e, sod is shift r, dance is shift e. Backstab dance macro is ctrl r...
Black powder is randomly ctrl w
plush roost
I had sblades unmacroed on dimmy
warm marlin
he did say same to not macroing blades though
alpine wraith
ah the riddler
plush roost
Mbmb for not CLARIFYING
warm marlin
smh my head
plush roost
Cause
alpine wraith
will need a timeline of your macros
plush roost
I didnt araz artosian
alpine wraith
to cross reference
warm marlin
I have a feeling if i didnt macro all my trinkets that I would drop gcds in them
alpine wraith
yea i have a trinket 13 trinket 14 macro
plush roost
On prog
alpine wraith
then a standalone prism
warm marlin
that is why i macro them all
plush roost
As long as u press it within 1 second of sec tec its chill
warm marlin
well for maghar for example you will drop a gcd if you dont wait long enough
for the same reason as blades
and dance
hazy breach
As long as u press it within 1 second of sec tec its chill
As long as you press it exactly within 0.8-0.99s after sectech*
Or 0.4-0.99 if you only get 2 coups ig, but most of the time you should be getting more than that
warm marlin
and perfectly spellqueue every gcd for the entire duration
hazy breach
Yeah
warm marlin
the entire macro business is cringe and i keep screwing up my trinket/racial usage because I forget to use macro number 3 for my third cd set
please fix coup i beg
plush roost
My fdk moved to hawaii so ive been playing east coast servers and i am actually in pain with reacting to coup bug
That 50 ping increase completely melting my timing memory
I really dont wanna up my spell queue window cause i just know im gonna strike inside a shadowcraft refund
Cant wait for midnight where if youre at a certain haste threshhold you can pixel perfect your gcds to squeeze in 1 extra gcd in dance
warm marlin
The robot is going to top gear everyone towards exactly the haste value that provides an extra gcd and we are going to spend the entire tier telling people they should probably get slightly more haste than their sim suggests to account for spellqueue errors
hazy breach
alpine wraith
gotta have them play the reaction game before advising them on tresholds
so yea you might want 0.2 extra leeway
fallow nimbus
It will be a big help that the blizz cd stuff shows the gcd on spells
Like put eviscerate in the center and you can time it pretty well
eager latch
how far behind is a mythic lily compared to heroic forge?
not sure if my sims are trolling
but it's showing a m lily > h forge
trynna figure out what to plan to spend my last dinar on
warm marlin
what do you plan on using it for
eager latch
what do you plan on using it for
mostly keys
is one better than the other across different contexts?
like, is the gulf that wide?
warm marlin
lily can be good in raid sometimes, it should be universally not great in keys as a second on use. 13 ilvl is a lot though. if I had to guess heroic forge is probably better?
they're probably close
eager latch
lily can be good in raid sometimes, it should be universally not great in keys a...
yeah I saw you use lily on a few bosses in raid
idk, I still have a few weeks to decide what the last dinar should be
maybe I can just snipe a hero forge from raid or something
appreciate the insights
warm marlin
After the first few minutes of a key/raid, you're just alternating trinket usage, at which point forge's 2min primary boost is a lot stronger than lily's 90 second mastery boost. lily does have the passive agi though. if you're doing a key with a lot of consistent combat between your big goes M lily is probably better with the passive agi, if you're pulling big around 90s -> H forge probably better. a regular passive trinket would probably just be better than lily in the first scenario though.
eager latch
After the first few minutes of a key/raid, you're just alternating trinket usage...
if you're running forge + prism, are you waiting for prism to get to a certain amount of stacks before you use it?
or, ideally, you're just alternating because forge will be down anyways?
hazy breach
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
fossil forge
we are pushing dimmy very fast after the buff p1 would it be a gain not using prism during my second cds just to spawn on first platform with 18 stacks?
warm marlin
or, ideally, you're just alternating because forge will be down anyways?
as the command suggests yea you just alternate. lily works the same way, you just lily twice in a row at the start while prism ramps, then alternate from there on
fossil forge
i do get autumn so i have cds instantly on the platform
warm marlin
we are pushing dimmy very fast after the buff p1 would it be a gain not using pr...
you wont have a full stacked prism for the amp if you send it on artoshion
eager latch
as the command suggests yea you just alternate. lily works the same way, you jus...
ty boss I appreciate it
fossil forge
fk thats true
lilac stag
@warm marlin are the timings for pacemaker fubar on Dimy? Just trying to avoid orbs if possible.
warm marlin
they were pretty good last i checked
warm marlin
<@135762418251988992> are the timings for pacemaker fubar on Dimy? Just trying t...
are you holding damage?
it gets a little bit iffy if you are holding damage. you should get 3 procs in p1, proc right upon landing on artoshion/a little after, insta proc on pargoth. if you push pargoth fast enough/maybe hold gcd at the end a slight amount you should be able to avoid proccing it at the end of pargoth platform to have it up for the amp, but if you are holding this prob isn't possible. i havent tested it myself yet, but it is also possible it magically procs before the amp and griefs you (it can sometimes proc when nothing is happening, not entirely sure)
shrewd lantern
we’re not holding
lilac stag
fury and the amp likely not that critical.
shrewd lantern
i dont even think i can safely have 18 prism stacks for amp
lilac stag
I have to look at logs
shrewd lantern
fury and the amp likely not that critical.
I thought fury just plays screams+arcanocore
lilac stag
I thought fury just plays screams+arcanocore
You need to kill dimy to get scream. 
shrewd lantern
is heroic scream worse than myth other trinkets for them
lilac stag
Antenna sims slightly lower, but the overall always ends up better in practice. It’s not like prism heroic where you’re trying to line it up.
shrewd lantern
screams has variance iirc
lilac stag
It’s a heroic proc trinket that is rng
shrewd lantern
fury’s the only spec i see actively use it, even dh seemingly does less
lilac stag
since fury is so flat I think str at 730 > 719 proc
shrewd lantern
yeah most likely, i think i seen 90% use arcanocore myth
easy to get 730+decent proc
lilac stag
core is pretty much a given
It’s either mythic screams or antenna as alternate, but pacemaker is > antenna with 25% in sims at least
But if the timings are shit for pacemaker, it’s not worth
shrewd lantern
soleah gang obvs
lilac stag
yeah let me just shit out mythic trinkets.
shrewd lantern
i took it on rogue on the offcchance its good
graceful rock
is exhilarating more total healing?
lilac stag
it would actually need to show up. 
shrewd lantern
Depends on your healers
lilac stag
congrats on getting it. lol
graceful rock
id figure it does good healing during CDs
shrewd lantern
i mean i prefer bond in raid
exhil in keys/open world
taking bond on st does open up one talent point granted
since you dont need imp storm
strange chasm
What are you guys doing on dim now? We push p1 at 2:04 now
Just hold a cd set to be able to cd on platform then hold 2nd plat and then p3 pump
autumn condor
Does anyone have a WA that screams when your focus target dies on dimmy for when your focus target dies for sstep? Or just don't be shit and watch focus frame
granite river
theres def weakauras that tell you to set focus, could find one and use that
autumn condor
theres def weakauras that tell you to set focus, could find one and use that
Would that scream when they die though?
autumn condor
Or just do a friendly mouseover
This is probably more sensible ta
eager latch
can weaponmaster backstabs/shadowstrikes proc unseen blade?
hazy breach
No
Nor do they nimble flurry
And shadow techniques gives combo point before the extra weaponmaster hit goes off
eager latch
And shadow techniques gives combo point before the extra weaponmaster hit goes o...
damn, alright
thanks for clarifying
elder trout
why does the wowhead rotation guide have the opener doing a 20s pre-pull symbols? is it to better align recharge cds later?
vale pine
it is explained in the guide
but
basically supercharger
the first 2 charged combo points don't reset
elder trout
ohh so you start with charged combos
vale pine
so you get 2 free supercharger charges if you use symbols pre pull
vale pine
you can just use symbols once you get ressed after a whipe
it does not need to be 20 sec
elder trout
so just use it sometime before pull?
vale pine
because the combo points last forever
yes
its basically a pre pull optimization
!cheese
wicked joltBOT
Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.
- Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
NOT Recommended- Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully. - Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than1% damagegain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
vale pine
the first one
elder trout
ty !
graceful rock
viral phoenix
if you send on parg asap and my guild is waiting to kill until winds, is it standard that flag is like 1 and a half seconds off when dimmy is attackable?
like im waiting a full GCD during amp for flag to come up and i thought i was taking the optimal dragonriding lines but idk
do you just need autumn
warm marlin
you can have it up right when it starts without autumn
or very very close. on my kill flag is 0.5s away when the amp starts
maiden oar
does anyone know why the boaters by nexus king teleporter dont spawn sometimes
helping friends guild prog and doing it between wipes is really nice but in my main guilds last reclear i couldnt getn any boaters
for dimensius predisorient off the teleporter
viral phoenix
or very very close. on my kill flag is 0.5s away when the amp starts
were you flag rupturing or flag > sec tech for dimmy?
viral phoenix
yeah I see top logs are flag rupturing but if my flag is this far off sec tech presumably is better. But idk what I'm doing wrong honestly, the optimal path from 1st platform to 2nd is whirlling surge > skip 1st and third portal yeah?
like are you shadowstepping pargoth idk why my cds feel a full GCD off
warm marlin
this is the route i played, pretty sure i was doing something wrong on the very last part with skyward ascent since our ppal always caught up a bit there (he was gapping me until he told me to also press ascent)
and ye the control g thing is a wack macro just for dimensius that is targetexact pargoth step flag
viral phoenix
this is the route i played, pretty sure i was doing something wrong on the very ...
awesome thank you for the pov
viral phoenix
this is the route i played, pretty sure i was doing something wrong on the very ...
i did the flag shadowstep macro and the ascending and my flag was perfectly up for dimensius you're a life saver
warm marlin
void ocean
is there a trick to shadowstep Dimmy in p1 and not end right in the middle on top of tanks or do i have to shadowstep a dk
void ocean
its rly weird to decide what to play on Dimmy, trying to figure out whether im more annoyed by assa burst setup + fatebound bug or sub gamba
fleet wharf
whats gamba about sub on dimmy?
void ocean
i mean general gamba
fleet wharf
like damage variance?
void ocean
yea, coup procs n shit, kinda gettin a bit tired after NK prog
void ocean
i mean it annoys me less than assa but judging by logs assa is better on dimmy on almost all percentiles
and ofc its easier to play 😄
fleet wharf
yea, it gets cucked less when your raid doesn't hold perfectly
also, would you be getting autumn? Like it's pretty hard to expect the team to hold on pargoth perfectly, so you're missing out a few gcd on dimmy amp as sub
fleet wharf
I just gave up on my 2nd flag on NK haha
but if you send the 18 stack prism on the platform, it wasn't that bad, but that was before turboboost
void ocean
naah, i just used cloak on platform 😄
fleet wharf
it prolly sucks now because I'd imagine the platform evaporates now
fleet wharf
yea, that's the thing. you lose too much doing that
but simialr story with dimmy amp for whatever it's worth
void ocean
yea, still cant compare to fumble i did in p3 trying to hold for my dear life 😄
fleet wharf
well the nice thing about saladbar p3 as sub at least is when you don't have CDs up you can just take your hands off off your damage rotation, focus on not dying and then go back to doing dps without losing too much
fleet wharf
yea, you hold
void ocean
lost at least 1 global in that
fleet wharf
because you're not missing by holding 20 more sec
I only did my burst sequence when I knew there were no upcoming mechanics to fuck me
fleet wharf
ehh i kind of see where you're coming from, but I'd argue you get to just hold as sub cuz you're not assa lmao
assa holding cds is grief, as sub, it's whatever imo
void ocean
tho after the lines u get starkillers so even that its not too safe, i tried to play it safe since it was prog, didnt want to risk to get clipped or smth
fleet wharf
starkillers are a lot less dangerous than the line overlaps though
there's only 3 things to dodge and less mental arithmatic required
void ocean
indeed tho they spawn sometimes in the way u gotta go around to dodge them
sometimes its fine and u get nice space to stand in undisturbed
fleet wharf
yea, but that's easier than trying to predict where all the line overlaps are going to be
void ocean
yea
fleet wharf
cuz if everyone does their drops perfectly, the pattern is good
but sometimes someone misplaces it or some shit
and it's hard to know
beforehand, at least taht was my exp
void ocean
i remember on the second set of stars i got one starkiller and the fckin ghost spawned exactly on the very edge of the star i was suppose to aim at 😄
squeezing in was an art
fleet wharf
I was kind of annoyed that you don't lead the starkillers at all. I expected some traveltime, but nope
junior sonnet
any info on how to properly use double on-use? going to replace antenna for forge (first is obv. prism)
sry if its been asked already, cant find in pin / cmds
(dimmy fun)
fossil forge
@void ocean play assa for st and sub for add damage
lilac stag
any info on how to properly use double on-use? going to replace antenna for forg...
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
void ocean
<@331886967979507712> play assa for st and sub for add damage
platform adds, i suppose
cause i couldnt do jack shit to p1 living masses either as assa or sub
void ocean
but we have to hardswap to them?
like on pull i gotta pop flag on their asses
cause i tried cleaving off the boss and didnt do too much they die quickly
limpid sage
cause i couldnt do jack shit to p1 living masses either as assa or sub
Do you have ele shamans
Because they will hog all add dmg
tepid trellis
but we have to hardswap to them?
Target Them with sectech then swap to boss and cleave with nimble flurry
rugged condor
like on pull i gotta pop flag on their asses
You shouldn't have to be doing this when theres a 15% dmg buff. 2 ele shams and you just sit i the centre of your sides 3 stack adds and press cds
They should die pretty fast
void ocean
yea, especially those on pull disappear before i even blink... i just tho i might be doing smth wrong
cause im like 200k dps on them
i did check some high parse logs and they r about the same
so i guess im just being dramatic 😛
rugged condor
Dh can also omega blast them on the opener
rugged condor
Should have no worries with adds with that comp
fossil forge
Target Them with sectech then swap to boss and cleave with nimble flurry
Only stech on mass ?
Im throwing ss and evis usually too
The boss dies way too fast now anyways in p1
fossil forge
What would be the ideal burn damage
I didnt fit the cb stech this pull
we only been in p3 4 times though
rugged condor
Are you sure thats the destabilize duration. The total dmg is a bit high and the dps number is crazy low for a 15?s burn
I procced out of my mind and did like 650m total, 42.6m dps
If you send log i can take a look
hollow spear
I am on the side with our elemental shaman, so I was wondering how exactly casting sectec on the masses works
Does it get krangled if the targeted add dies before the clones hit?
Or do they go through anyways and still hit the boss if the mass is dead?
tepid trellis
if you target the boss with sectech it wont hit the adds, if you target the adds with sectech it will hit both
thats about it
hollow spear
I get that
But sometimes I get off the initial sectec hit
but the add dies before the clones appear
hollow spear
-.-
hollow spear
crazy work
hollow spear
was wondering whether it was worth it to skip rupture
tepid trellis
i dont rupture on pull
fossil forge
Ever since i got crazy stech in first dance tech from grouch i manage to hit the adds with all casts
hollow spear
and go strike - flag - sectec
fossil forge
I rupture after cds too
tepid trellis
i just do flag-dance+stab->sectech
hollow spear
you skip the strike?
or how do you prebuild cp?
my opener was strike-flag-rupture-dance/sod/pot/-cb+sectec
too slow tho
adds peacing out thanks to ele
fossil forge
Its probably not worth cb first stech when the ads disappear
tepid trellis
you skip the strike?
i do not strike no, i just go straight into flag
hollow spear
dang
fossil forge
R1 log did cb stech first so i dont think it matters
tepid trellis
otherwise adds are dead before my esctech hits
fossil forge
Stealthi leaking the secret padding sauce
fossil forge
Still r1
hollow spear
Chapeau for still making r1
fossil forge
hollow spear
I would have missed my first shadowstep on knock after that
fossil forge
haha
hollow spear
Brainfry
hollow spear
i do not strike no, i just go straight into flag
Actually goated, saves me from accidentally shadowstepping to the boss because I press too early
fossil forge
Strike the add and that wont happen
Shroud prepull also nice u get extra ms when u arrive on platform
Speedyboy
hollow spear
That requires me striking the add, swapping to boss and then swapping back to add
You're overestimating my mental bandwidth
hollow spear
fossil forge
Imma try skipping the strike though
hollow spear
Our ele will not like this tech
hollow spear
same
dreamy badger
warm marlin
Actually goated, saves me from accidentally shadowstepping to the boss because I...
he doesnt auto for the first like 3s of the fight so you have lots of time to strike sprint over
limpid sage
i dont rupture on pull
I checked your pov and started doing this as well
even easier getting cb sectec in first dance
Anyone tried to sim: ss > flag > rupture > vanish > ss > cds + sectec?
The tradeoff being a premed for an extra second in first dance
warm marlin
it's probably fine ish
limpid sage
Tradeoff is vanish too ig
warm marlin
you lose a danse stack for the first sectec, you get trolled by the premed bug if you already stacked sht