subtlety

[solar kestrel]

trying sub now

[maiden oar]

im sure if i was a veteran player i would feel differently but im gearing a 2nd sub rogue to raid on 2 chars

[solar kestrel]

is the most fun i had with wow for like idk how long

[maiden oar]

yea this is my 2nd season raiding but the reason i fell in love with this game is sub rogue

[solar kestrel]

because the way cds flow is so rewarding and nice

[maiden oar]

the flexibility goes crazy too

[tepid trellis]

reclearing 8/8 mythic every week and now all the stuff sub was good for

[maiden oar]

its cool to be able to contribute whenever u want almost

[tepid trellis]

is gone

[maiden oar]

well yeah but i dont care if its good im gonna play it bc i like it

[tepid trellis]

cuz they just get overkilled like crazy

[solar kestrel]

the only thing im concerned about is the tankiness i got used to from playing dk

and lol a ranged interrupt

[maiden oar]

except my guild wants me to play sin on soulbinder so they can parse

[solar kestrel]

XD

[maiden oar]

so ill do that and be nice

[short radish]

based sub enjoyer

[solar kestrel]

i guess i woundnt do wrong with focus shadowstep macro for interrupt

[tepid trellis]

it gets frustrating af, having to put in 5x the effort for less gain, than some fucking idiot bm hunter proccing black arrows

[warm marlin]

on a no all star fight??

[tepid trellis]

the fact that thing havent been hit by a 20% nerf is insane

[solar kestrel]

i want to remind you that

80% of playerbase that plays bm hunter

struggles to play it efficiently

[tepid trellis]

people just want higher numbers on their page, nothing to do ASP

[short radish]

yeah i want all pink numbers

[solar kestrel]

god i wish on my main

[short radish]

i just need one reclear on soul hunters

i havent been put into soul hunters for the last 3 weeks

[solar kestrel]

i mean tbf i can kinda blame my logs on my previous guild

[tepid trellis]

i stopped giving 2 shits about parsing when they introduced the tri-weekly dmg buff

[tepid trellis]

that shit ruined it for me

[solar kestrel]

i went from 99 parse on soul hunters

2% hp

to parase

1

so fun

[short radish]

happens

[solar kestrel]

ikr

[short radish]

that was me on our saladbar prog kill

the one kill we get it

i fuck up in p3

just as im about to send my full stack 18 prism

[solar kestrel]

i always end up in guilds when reaid leader is giving a wrong call

killing few people

[short radish]

but its okay i had my redemption last night

[solar kestrel]

im so pissed about it

i went from hof

[short radish]

unluggy

[solar kestrel]

to

top 700

zzz

[short radish]

why not go back up

or too much effort

[solar kestrel]

i have no logs to prove it

cause

private

[short radish]

[solar kestrel]

imagine private logs

[short radish]

private loggers are so fucking cringe man

[solar kestrel]

ikr

[short radish]

holy shit

especially any WR under 20 or something

[solar kestrel]

all i have is this screenshot

[short radish]

[solar kestrel]

yhhhh

well maybe one day

im mentally drained from pugging to 0.1%

but i quit

im done

[short radish]

ye

[solar kestrel]

fellowship and sub rogue time

[short radish]

2 night raiding is the way

just need to find a non dogshit 2night guild

[solar kestrel]

it doesnt scratch that itch for me

[maiden oar]

i dunno!

[solar kestrel]

god i wish i swear

[maiden oar]

i dont mind doing it for them if they just wanna see big number

[short radish]

ive managed to luck into one that's like

borderline HoF(Shame)

[solar kestrel]

somehow i feel empty

without splits

and shit

[short radish]

ewwww spl*ts

[maiden oar]

this is true but i just want to play well and get better at rogue and i care more about that than being at the top of the meters rn

[solar kestrel]

idk it somehow keeps me going and hyped

[maiden oar]

but it is actually insane what bm hunter gets away with

[solar kestrel]

although i think its time to swap a main cause there is way too many dks in every guild

impossible to replace anyone

literally every sdingle guild has an army of death knights

[short radish]

or someone willing to reroll DK

we went from 1dk season 1

to 4 people playing it

[solar kestrel]

and im playing dk only

since like legion

then you see all those rerollers on m+

who wont even use a grip

or pre ams

[short radish]

[solar kestrel]

:')

[maiden oar]

like honestly if i play a fight perfectly but im cursed by god and i 0% crit and never proc 2pc oncce im happy despite my log sucking

[short radish]

i have some trauma from DKs

pug DKs

that i refuse to invite them now

[maiden oar]

becoming stronger is its own reward i think

[tepid trellis]

i might just play assa on reclear so can brain afk and not have to worry about timing dances to try and pad

[solar kestrel]

rightfully so

fuck this class

[maiden oar]

i did play sin on dimmy earlier bc i couldnt predict the push timings and i just didnt wanna worry about it

so i get it hehe

[tepid trellis]

either or just not raid on rogue

on go on my dh instead

[short radish]

fuck this DK so much holy shit (dont look at overall as well)

[maiden oar]

but i think im missing spomething in general about dimmy on sub

its the one boss i cannot do well on

hard guy

[short radish]

he died on every single pull including first one

"nobody kicked"

including him

[solar kestrel]

and its only 15

DX

i cant

[tepid trellis]

its just timing dances to add in p1 and hope your team lets you pad your ass off in p2

[short radish]

this was like 2 months ago

[tepid trellis]

thats all there is to dimmy really

[short radish]

no more flag in p2

[solar kestrel]

when i want my ego boosted

[maiden oar]

i see alot of people do no p2 dmg and have a crazy log still

so i think they know something i dont

[solar kestrel]

i join some 16s for memes

with dks

[short radish]

are you afking for long enough

in p2

before going into p3

[maiden oar]

yes

[short radish]

k i got nothing then

[maiden oar]

i make coup and 7+ sht

not always 14

but at least 7

[short radish]

just crit or something then

idk

[maiden oar]

no i think im just doing something wrong and i cant figure out what

[tepid trellis]

we just push push push

its so shit

[maiden oar]

so i need to forget everything i know and start from scratch

[short radish]

ive gaslamped my RL into us pushing p1 after we get people down

so i can press flag off cd

i was getting so sick of pushing early

and getting into platform1

pressing flag just as adds are dying

[solar kestrel]

everyone is

pushing p1

now

no point in stopping dps or something

[short radish]

there is if you need healing CDs up

but dps monkeys dont understand the concept of chilling out

and stretching hands

[tepid trellis]

i landed on platform 1 today

with 24 sec left on flag

very enjoyable

[short radish]

bro getting the 2nd sent up in p1

and getting the back one

is just

10 seconds to think about how shit your damage is going to be

[solar kestrel]

i got sindragosa on each platform

its 1.5

and i use it off cd

idk

[tall girder]

Woo fim

[solar kestrel]

maybe we're too slow then

[short radish]

yeah first kill timings you could send 1.5 on cd and it was fine

but now you can't do it on p2

woooo jontic

hows your new trial going

[tepid trellis]

we push p1 at 2:08

[solar kestrel]

oh alright

[tall girder]

I haven’t raided with them yet

[solar kestrel]

then we def dont do enough dps granted the buff and ilvls

[tall girder]

Outside of a quick heroic for rep

[short radish]

is it even worth to send 1:30 flag if youre pushing that early?

[maiden oar]

with 15% total buff u could hold 2nd flag and slam it on platform 1 perhaps

[short radish]

i suppose it is

but that feels so bad

need buyers

or a dead arcane mage

[tepid trellis]

i still wont get for both platforms + amp

so its eh

[warm marlin]

doesnt help really

[tepid trellis]

kinda just dead

[tall girder]

I’ll buy a dimmy clear

[solar kestrel]

yea we got

2:20

timer

holy shit

how bad is that chat

[short radish]

not terrible

but you have to send flag on cd

and pray you dont get sent up

on 2nd uppie

[solar kestrel]

im dk on progress

so

[short radish]

well whatever 1.5 is

[tepid trellis]

the fight is just ass on farm

it is what it is

[maiden oar]

i think it could be fine when u get even faster

[solar kestrel]

gotta love

our dps

chart

for p1

[tepid trellis]

parse wise probably not

you wont be able to cd both platforms + amp

[warm marlin]

you already cant so making it faster is good

[tepid trellis]

unless you are doing like 3x sale

[maiden oar]

rank 1 cds 1 platform rn

fwiw

so i think u might not have to cd both

[solar kestrel]

i might as well just buy mount

and stop playing

[maiden oar]

but i cant replicate it i am actually at a loss as to what im doing wrong

will study this week and try and solve it before next wk

[solar kestrel]

till blizzard reverts their minds about midnight prune

[tepid trellis]

well cd'ing both will be better and its gonna happen in some parse run

[maiden oar]

maybe yea

i am not knowledgeable enough to say

[tall girder]

No time to study new Poe league to blast instead

[solar kestrel]

holy shit

i

installed

fellowship

and this game is like 2 decades ahead of wow

[maiden oar]

the only game i care about rn is wow i will figure it out

[solar kestrel]

why doesnt wow

have anything like that

[short radish]

frostmourne server 霜之哀伤服务器 poor performance 表现不佳 monkey code 猴子代码 dollar company 美元公司

[solar kestrel]

better remove

addons

[tall girder]

And remove flagellation

[solar kestrel]

this is peak

wow community

🤓

[short radish]

i didnt think you could get more braindead than wowhead comments

but i forgot facebook comments exist

[solar kestrel]

I KNOW RIGHT

[tall girder]

Facebook in the big 25

[solar kestrel]

this one is even funnier

i have never heard of anyone requesting

elv ui

for raid

like

???????

[maiden oar]

that does happen in ffxiv

[tall girder]

Elvui xdd

[maiden oar]

no one wants to raid on patch tuesday bc their cheats arent updated

group finders dead

but i havent seen that in this game

[tall girder]

I will play bartender till I die

[solar kestrel]

casuals create their own happiness

but yeah im terrified about whats about to happen

mostly from healer perspective

cause my fiance is a die hard healer

[short radish]

theyve pruned so much from healers

that its probably fine

[tall girder]

Midnight will be like playing soup without the soup

[solar kestrel]

its not really fine cause

they will be healbots

without interrupts

without proactive gameplay

bnecause they cant even see if someone has defensives available

[short radish]

just how daddy ion intended

[short radish]

okay to pivot to the side of casuals now

how often does this acutally impact healers

because ive heard it a lot

[solar kestrel]

on high level content?

its extremely matters

[short radish]

but when i healed

i rarely looked

until after they died

[solar kestrel]

lol

[tall girder]

Are causals doing content where defensive tracking matters tho

[short radish]

and it was always off cooldown

[tepid trellis]

well in "high end" stuff is pre planned

so you dont need to see it

[solar kestrel]

thats my problem

[short radish]

like thats some super 0.1% level imo

[solar kestrel]

they are doing changes

that dont matter

for casuals

like

i always laugh

[short radish]

im also a monkey brain healer

if i see health bar go down

i press heal

[solar kestrel]

when my fiance pugs some hc raids with me

[short radish]

and health bar go up

[solar kestrel]

and she's like 680

[short radish]

so if they die

[solar kestrel]

and others 720

[short radish]

thats their fault not pressing a defensive

[tepid trellis]

like when i last did high keys, last boss on black rook hold or the charge boss

[solar kestrel]

and she does like 2mil+ more hps than them

[tepid trellis]

every single soak and defensive was pre planned

[solar kestrel]

and it clearly shows how huge the difference is between someone who knows their shit

and casuals

[short radish]

yeah the average pug healer is kinda ass

[tepid trellis]

avg pug anything

is ass

[short radish]

true

[tall girder]

Real and true

[short radish]

fuck pugs

[maiden oar]

are there any 5/8 pug runs

[solar kestrel]

i mean lol

just look at this

[maiden oar]

that are like mostly cleared ppl or something

[solar kestrel]

and these dogs

[maiden oar]

i need to find a raid for my 2nd sub rogue

[solar kestrel]

will tell you

how to play

thje game

[maiden oar]

[solar kestrel]

i swear

[tall girder]

When I healed I didn’t really track defensives bc if u died with a defensive up that’s ur fault gang

[tepid trellis]

my dh does 7/8 every week

[solar kestrel]

not really

[maiden oar]

[tepid trellis]

just a mix of raiders from different guilds during an alt run

[maiden oar]

ic

[tepid trellis]

for 2 hours a week

[maiden oar]

ok i will look around for alt runs surely one exists

[solar kestrel]

dawnbreaker

high legvel

is really reliant

on defensives externals rotation

[tall girder]

Tbf I didn’t do super high level keys I pvp more if I’m playing healer

[solar kestrel]

oh

now i know

where blizxzard is taking inspirations from

[short radish]

tbh im not opposed to them removing interrupts from healers

if im healing i jsut want to heal

[solar kestrel]

yea

its fun

when youre in premade

not in pug

[short radish]

true

which is why i dont pug

[tall girder]

Fim let’s pug double rogue 15s

[short radish]

nah

triple rogue

one of each spec

[tall girder]

U play sin i play sub and then we get boswald on outlaw

[short radish]

woooo bssy

[solar kestrel]

i assume

ure

us

[short radish]

nah mate

[tall girder]

Fuark oath

[short radish]

i guess technically NA

[solar kestrel]

i can do some

15

for meme

with double rogue

[short radish]

time to sit in queue for an hour

[tall girder]

I was just joking cba doin 15s now maybe like a month ago

[short radish]

yeah im a bit over doing keys

theres a part of me that wants to get 3.6k

but like

thats so much effort

[solar kestrel]

i spent

[short radish]

i know i can do it

[solar kestrel]

6 hours

trying to time

[short radish]

but i also cant be fucked

[solar kestrel]

18 flood

[tall girder]

It’s worse for me fim bc I started the first month of the season on warlock

I can’t even get into 14s on my rogue

[solar kestrel]

i have 19 hoa

if someone wants

to blast

it

[maiden oar]

id like to get into keys as an excuse to play the game more

[tall girder]

Yea I’m good for it my highest halls is a 12

[solar kestrel]

i already timed it so idc

[maiden oar]

but ive only ever done 12s and i feel like its probably too late into the season to push on my own

maybe next season

[tall girder]

Next season where we are soup with a fork

I’m gonna see fim on feral Druid in midnight

[maiden oar]

im going to wait and see bc they apologized and said that theyd give it alot more attnetion

not gonna doom yet!

[tall girder]

I’ve full sent the doom

[maiden oar]

or maybe not apologized but acknowleged their mistake

which is similar enough

[tall girder]

I’m new dh spec otp

[short radish]

trying to convince joel to let me in for an araz kill

[tall girder]

Can I come to a myth reclear

[short radish]

i think im the only other one with a druid alt

at a playable level

duno ask joel but probably not

[tall girder]

Joel doesn’t like me

[short radish]

unless youre a buyer

we finally do sales

[tall girder]

Can I get one for 500k

[short radish]

for plexus? sure

[tall girder]

I’ve already killed that guy

I haven’t got salad bar or dimmy

[short radish]

did they say whether you would be in for prog at all?

feels weird to DM you

and then not bring you in

[tall girder]

Nah they haven’t

I think they just need bench players

Might get a reclear kill who knows

[short radish]

hows their prog going now

[distant sage]

if myth prism and forge better than myth antena and prism

[tall girder]

They arent raiding tonight but they consistently hitting 2nd platform

My best friend kagan is in this guild if u remember him

[short radish]

oh kagan

wait

doesnt bssy hate him

[tall girder]

I exposed him to Joel the first time I was in myth vc

When I was raiding with him in abberrus he didn’t do any mechs bc of breath uptime

[short radish]

speaking of absolute parse ignore mechanics monkeys

kagan is the biggest one

[tall girder]

Yea

Can’t parse the boss if u don’t kill it

[tall girder]

Depends

[pearl fox]

hey gamers anyone know how many stacks netherprism needs to have to be better than ritual forge for a big cd usage? both myth 730

[distant sage]

what needs to transpire for my hoeass vendor to make myth items purchasable

i did 3 myth bosses and truckload of 12s

[lilac stag]

They’re trying to fight rosters boss and prog boss.

[cloud rover]

Roster Boss is a bithc

[little scaffold]

You need to kill the specific boss you want loot from on mythic
Same goes from whatever 12 you want loot from

[distant sage]

i did all dungeons and killed first 3 bosses and its still on heroic

[little scaffold]

There’s another vendor with the mythic stuff

Right next to the heroic one

[distant sage]

damn didnt even clock him

tyty

[plain void]

!defs

!def

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[last gate]

any youtuber that plays rogue in high keys?

a good one

:3

casualaddict is playing huntard now

[alpine wraith]

rogue is not exceptional so you wont see it on super high keys

but plenty of people have done 18 and 19 over here i think

[crystal bone]

@ charrend has done 18s or 19s im sure

i couldnt beat the lfg boss, only 17s here

[wild vine]

lashga is streaming keys

[lilac stag]

you mean buying keys?

[wild vine]

idk what he buys and what he doesnt

I dont watch streams

[lilac stag]

I wouldn’t recommend promoting him here. He’s banned for reasons

[wild vine]

its not really promoting and I dont really care for any beef anywhere. his logs look decent and he is up there, sadly not much else on the streamerside out there

him aside, anythng has a stream link and salatikue is one of the highest ranked subs, but iirc his stream is RU

[lilac stag]

game is basically maintenance mode.

[tribal blade]

thing is it's not a small amount of beef and controversey

it's a lot

that culminated in him getting banned

[lilac stag]

it’s not exactly easy to get banned here if you’re not a bot.

[tribal blade]

you know it's bad when you get banned and the person who bans you says "thank god i've been wanting to do that since BFA"

[wild vine]

you can definitely speedrun it

just need to know what to say

[vale pine]

well

if you want to get banned from any discord

just violate the discord official tos

so yes, if you rly want to you can get banned from any server in seconds/minutes

but thats not what scath means

[wild vine]

tho yet again, idk what happened even as a regular, maybe took a break at that time, but yet again it wasnt promoting or anything and I just answered a question

[tribal blade]

oh yeah for sure

[vale pine]

the rules on this server are very permissive and the moderation team will usually try to break up heated conversation, if you get banned you usually did multiple violations or went against the discord tos, which is non negotiable

[tribal blade]

wasn't trying to pile on you

[wild vine]

ye just saying. have no idea who he is in the first place. the russian stream alternative probably isnt really approachable for many. kinda sad casual started playing hunter

[tribal blade]

yah! i've been watching a bunch of casual's keys recently, their group is killing it atm

rogue is def in a weird spot

shindigg talked about sub in his MDI videos since he used it to push up keys

[alpine wraith]

rogue does fine dmg but fine is not enough for top lvl

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not quite good enough for R1 keys

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade 30 time? ;p

[tribal blade]

and you do anti funnel

so it's an issue

[tribal blade]

YO not right now

but i'll be around tomorrow

later tonight for you

[lilac stag]

i just happend to be up and awake

maybe we kill Nexus tonight

[tribal blade]

oh nice nice

i believe

[lilac stag]

i convinced them to run 4 heroic for raid buff instead of normal, and dimy finally dropped the screamer trinket

warrior is jacked

[wild vine]

also kinda lacking in the utility department comparatively. gotta give us a grab

[tribal blade]

niiice

yeah that's a good move if you actually have upgrades from heroic

i don't think doing normal is super meaningfully faster than heroic

[lilac stag]

heroic trinket was 70k lol

that thing is nuts on fury

[tribal blade]

i can imagine

[ivory vigil]

what rating is all +15 keys? I know +10s are around 2500, +12-13 at 3000

[tribal blade]

probably around 3400-3500 i would imagine

oh i was way off, it's more like 3300

[ivory vigil]

thanks

I find it strange there's such a huge gap between the last reward at 3000 rating which is roughly 10% of players and the 0.1% title. There isn't anything in between.

[lilac stag]

it's a mini game that very few actually care about

[ivory vigil]

yeah I don't even collect mounts so even 3000 is not a goal for me

but the 2500 shoulder glow reward is cool

[alpine wraith]

well glad is also like that you get it at like 2400 but rank 1 or well not it is top whatever % can get to like 3k+

i think i may get 3000 and just call it a day too

cba trying to "push"

[lilac stag]

funny part is thos .1% of players setting meta impact so many regular players

[ivory vigil]

yeah it's always like that in everything

[wild vine]

yepyep

pugging 18+ as rogue is just pain

getting to run a key or two per day after work basically

meanwhile dks get invites even with less score and not maxed gear

thats why I'm thinking about tanking for the rest of the season

[lilac stag]

mages are even worse than dks. i swaer they're all 500 lower than their io

[last gate]

just push your key mate

its faster

WAAAY FASTER

im resil 14

and i done 2x 19

:3

[alpine wraith]

be the gatekeeper

[wild vine]

can be even worse

ngl

[last gate]

EXACTLY

im taking people with 200 IO higher than me

no russian no mages no evokers

PURE RACISM

and Classism*

[ivory vigil]

is it discriminating if they are provably worse? I mean the cyrillic names. Always regretted grouping with those, not sure if it's confirmation bias because it's easier to spot.

[vale pine]

think there are multiple groups players can be hit or miss from

[swift tinsel]

Ragnaros/Azralon on NA is usually a trip

[ivory vigil]

!loot

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406266615619784765/suble.webp

[fast flax]

how can i sim if getting more crit is better for my dps ?

i have 4,418 crit 29k mastery and 21k versa

is that too much mastery?

or there is not such a thing as too much mastery

[limpid sage]

I mean you never wanna pass on free mastery

but looking at that screenshot you def would get a lot of dmg from recrafting something into crit vers

[steel zinc]

Dw so much about stats

Like 80% if your slots are already predetermined this patch

[fast flax]

Ye thats what im trying to sim maybe swap my fiber to vers or crit also and recraft to crit vers

no subs on the top ladder have that much mastery but instead they have a bunch more crit

[limpid sage]

they just play with whatever sims the best for the most part ye

[maiden oar]

can do both in top gear

click the + on crafted item to test recrafts

and replace gems and enchants and tick different fibers

[astral pewter]

is dance/symbols macro not recommended for pve?

i thought it sounded fine but couldnt find it in the guides

maybe theres a reason its not?

[tepid trellis]

its not recommended no

reason is that you dont always press them at the same time

mainly during your big burst cuz you always wanna supercharge Sectech's

[astral pewter]

alright gotcha, will keep them bound separetely

Is it ok to press death when there is like 1-2 sec left and does it carry over the remaining duration to the second one or does it not?

[warm marlin]

you don't think about symbols duration, you just press it when you need to supercharge sectec. but yes it does pandemic the duration (3s or less)

[astral pewter]

oh ok, good way to look at it

ill keep that in mind thx

[lilac stag]

run a top gear sim, remove all the gems from your gear, force the crit primary gem with 4 colors. select the different weapon and ring enchants you want as well as the cloak fiber you want. use the best combo.

[fleet acorn]

guys got like a question how to handle such a situation:

like i get my flag/blades back and i have no fw up at boss hes before dmg amp phase like on forgeweaver
do i spam backstab/fok until i get a fw up and the burst
or
do i just use my first global in dance as shadowstrike to 100% fw?

[hasty heart]

is it better to buy the Netherprism HC Version with the Cartel Chips or the Seaforium Peacemaker on Myth Track? (I will not be killing Fractilius on Mythic Difficulty this season - so no Mythc Track Netherprism)

[vale pine]

if you don't have prism, its the best option to buy

[upbeat garden]

then does a macro with symbols,secretech work ?

[lofty quartz]

have a question about prism when do you have to use it in raid or m+

i have lily and prism

[vale pine]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[unique nest]

is my hpal trolling by refusing to give the blessing to a subrogue on Nexus king ?

For progress, I should add

[upbeat garden]

Good thing u have a holy paladin

Before my guild disbanded we had 3 druids and 1 disc

[unique nest]

Oof

[lilac stag]

wtf are they using it on?

And are you killing adds in time?

[mental shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[unique nest]

They are using it on them to "get cds on time" i guess ?
And yeah, we're killing the adds reliably, I just get my cds a bit late

[lilac stag]

So by not giving it to the sub rogue you mean not giving it to you.

if they need it, and the adds are dead, either figure out a way they don’t need it or just not worry about it.

[unique nest]

Yeah, i mean saying "me" is less precise than "to the sub"

But yeah I guess if it dies, that's alright

[lilac stag]

It read as a raid leader trying to stop a rogue complaining.

If adds are getting obliterated, swap to assa and pump.

[fossil forge]

report scath for assa propaganda

[unique nest]

Would prefer dying over playing Ass 🍑

[lilac stag]

so the rogue is trolling. ✅

[fossil forge]

assa gameplay

https://tenor.com/view/sleepwalking-good-night-baby-gif-4420732695707597840

[unique nest]

Trolling would be playing ass and falling asleep mid pull tho, i'm preventing it by playing sub

[astral pewter]

so in m+ in lets say gambit when there r alot of mobs, how much do we wanna spread rupture before going into cds?

[fleet acorn]

why would u do that when u have cds rdy

main target rupture and blast

when no cds u can rupture

[astral pewter]

ok I just started sub this week so I was under the impression we wanted to spread rupture a bit, but I guess I just send then

[fleet acorn]

u can spread but not while holding dance charges and cds

makes no sense sitting on dmg cds

do dmg then spread

[astral pewter]

gotcha

thx

[frozen pawn]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[alpine wraith]

another hackerman

[lethal gale]

would you guys use atenna or forge on soul hunters?

[short radish]

forge because i dont have antenna

hope this helps

👍

[lethal gale]

lol

[short radish]

as for a serious answer

the forge vs antenna is kinda just a personal preference thing at this point imo

even if i had antenna i'd use double on use

because going into opening burst

with 0 trinket

is kinda pain

its supposed to average out

but i like doing big numbers

[bleak night]

double on use makes you look better on details when you wipe 30 seconds in

[lethal gale]

forge it is boys

we are progging soooo

[short radish]

glgl

[fickle jacinth]

i want to macro in SoD and SD, is there something that you can only SoD if on CD or maybe at least reset timer for the 10 sec?

[short radish]

no

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[short radish]

theres that

which prevents you from double pressing

but also dont macro sod/sd

[fickle jacinth]

ya figured lol

trying to cheat

i do already and i end up using SoD again for second dance when its only like half done

[short radish]

dont cheat

alternatively

you can have additional binds

as long as you also have them separate

so when you do your inital burst

you have them macro'd

but then your 2nd presses are separate

[sterile sapphire]

Is it better to replace either of myth prism/antenna with hero forge?

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[tropic latch]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[lethal yew]

On Dimensius prog. I noticed on my logs that nimble flurry damage and sectec damage weren't really cleaving onto the adds reliably. Do they work anything like spatter radius on larger bosses?

[tepid trellis]

nimble is around yourself

in order for sectech to hit you need to target them

and if you do target them with sectech it will also hit the boss, just not the other way around

[lethal yew]

Ok. Thats why I was doing so little add dmg. My sectecs were not connecting

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[potent relic]

on mythic nexus king do we pot at beginning and end or on damage amp?

looking at logs a lot of the hgiher ones are on damage amp but seems like 6 min kill time dunno if my guild will do that lol

[tepid trellis]

the amp

[bleak night]

[potent relic]

ok ty 😄

[tacit coral]

i did this today

and sent one mid cds

ended up being told im now just supposed to focus boss, apparently add damage was too much

how did other sub rogue players manage that?

since we just can single handedly nuke down adds

[short radish]

i always targetted the boss because im old and target swapping is too hard for me

[tacit coral]

thats what i did initially but if you compare logs the amount of damage you miss is crazy

[short radish]

is it really that much?

[tacit coral]

its gigantic from what i could tell

i sent a single sec tech coldblood and chunked the add

[short radish]

when i was looking briefly it was only like

[tacit coral]

each gcd i sent was tangible

[short radish]

60-80 mill difference

i suppose thats 2%

yeah thats kinda big

oh well

sucks to be me

[tacit coral]

my sec tech alone was like 30 mil i think

[ripe flame]

I just hit the boss, it feels bad to wipe just because you sent a warhead to the add and it got annihilated too fast

It is what it is, although with hp nerf idk if rn its doable to pad

[short radish]

eh other side just needs to git gud

[ripe flame]

Since the adds get nuked either way

[short radish]

ask other people to play better

not ask other people to play worse

[ripe flame]

I mean in an ideal world sure

[tacit coral]

even then i dont exactly know how because they were calling melee to chill on the add but both other 2 players in top 3 on graph were mages on that add

idk even how because one of the mages is on opposite side

[ripe flame]

Mage stuff cleaves in an unconventional way lol

Sometimes the mage on the right was like top 5 dmg on the melee add on the left side

[tacit coral]

but is that them playing weird or is it unavoidable cleave because ranged add had taken less damage than melee one

?? xD

[ripe flame]

I have no idea

Have to ask a mage main for that one

[tacit coral]

also idk what amount of better play can be expected when the add dies as it spawns basically

[short radish]

if all the adds die

then theres no issue though?

like if you kill it early it doesnt matter

[tacit coral]

ye but i mean idk if we can expect that kind of burst

i dont evne know how many classes are capable of calling that burst out of nowhere

to match a sub rogue who just happened to be mid cds

[short radish]

i mean

sub doesnt do THAT much damage to the add

[tacit coral]

it lowk does

[short radish]

compared to ele/devoker

[tacit coral]

maybe devoker crit can do same

[bleak night]

different add but i think if i posted damage to tangles from my loom prog you might cry

[short radish]

okay maybe it did more than i expected but its still half devoker/ele sham

and this is top log

[bleak night]

never underestimate the inability of lower end ce guilds to hit adds

[tacit coral]

what is half

[tacit coral]

u cant really compare that i dont think

[ripe flame]

Overall no but say for example, the add set after the 1:30 devour

[tacit coral]

yes thats the one that has me all kinds of messed up

[ripe flame]

If you do the 2nd sectech on the add on melee

That fucker is getting sent to the dust

[short radish]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i mean if its causing issues

then just dont send on it

[ripe flame]

Yeah thats what im saying

[tacit coral]

ye obviously i had to bite the bullet

just looking for other solutions that doesnt force u to stop damage on something

never fun doing that kek

[short radish]

the entire of dimensius is

stop damage

there is no other solution other than charge up SHT stacks

[ripe flame]

Like if other dps do their thing it doesn't matter but since thats technically out of your hands better to take the L

[ripe flame]

The timers just kinda suck now it makes the fight so much annoying

[short radish]

i successfully gaslamped the RL into us holding just long enough in p1 to let the people down before pushing

so flag can come up on p1 in time

so we push at like 2:25 instead of 2:15

[ripe flame]

We are yolo pushing on reclears and p1 timer its like 2:15-2:20 and artoshion dies so fast its cooked

[short radish]

i managed to convince him because our mages were going "yeah its cooked because we're late on p1.1 then late on p1.2"

[ripe flame]

An alliance with the mages for the greater good

[short radish]

the enemy of my enemy is my friend

[tall girder]

Fim is a mage player

[short radish]

how dare you accuse me of something i am not

[bleak night]

[ripe flame]

[tall girder]

I apologise

It was a false accusation must be the SEA version

[short radish]

probably was

though i think he plays evoker this tier

[tall girder]

We mass report him for a name change

[short radish]

nah

he's chill

i've claimed every single variation of my name that i can think of

so he has to make the Fimbulvoker/Fimbulmage or w/e

[tall girder]

fimbulgoat

u got that one

[short radish]

oh shit ineed to claim that one

[tall girder]

its not taken

i can hold it for you king

[warm marlin]

walk away from the adds

and keep hitting boss

get out of nimble range

on prog i sent dance on the ranged add and never cleaved the melee one

it still died quite fast

and then held damage on boss so i wasnt doing damage at all

thrilling

[tacit coral]

ye unfortunately what i ultimately did

still confused as to if mages should be dealing that much damage to melee adds

but as someone said earlier

their cleave is weird

[brisk onyx]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[peak jetty]

How do you maximize damage when you have to soak in the 2nd soak at myth araz. I just don't get it done. Flagging the echo just feels off...

[short radish]

flag shouldnt be up then?

[peak jetty]

I flag at first soak

But I have to stay away

It's awkward

Right before 1st soak according to llorgs

Is it possible to cloak first soak and soak 2nd normally? That could fix my problem.

[short radish]

are you soaking both?

[peak jetty]

I soak 2nd normally and 3rd with cloak

[short radish]

im confused then

what has flag go to do with you soaking

if youre not soaking

[peak jetty]

We play the soak inside the boss and pull the boss to cleave from the echo. Maybe our strat is off?

[short radish]

but if the soak is inside the boss

it means the add is inside the boss

and theyre both taking less damage

[peak jetty]

It's kinda awkward ^^ but we killed it like that once.

[grizzled hornet]

I would recommend to open with a normal dance rotation ( no CB) and around 20sec open with full cds, you should be fine for 2nd flag during 2 set of adds and flag on amp

keep dances for every set of adds and on the 2nd soak just wait for the soak insta step to boss and dance

hold that coup and stack ShT to pop at 20-21 secs, you are poping on 29 secs which is kinda late

[tribal blade]

no shot

[plush roost]

Nah my old guild did this too, and then ranged covers 2nd, immunes 3rd soak

Was good for melee uptime

[tribal blade]

i meant more so keeping the boss on top of the echo

unless i read that wrong

[plush roost]

The boss doesnt get the immunity aura for 1 second

Nah they pull boss away on spawn

So if u move early the boss doesnt immune and youre not sad as melee

[tribal blade]

mmmm ok gotcha

interesting, i dunno how my RL doesn't know about that

[plush roost]

I think its the better strat, esp if u flag at 20 still since your cds are still running on that add set

[scenic plover]

we did that too and it works better imo

[plush roost]

I flag on pull nowadays since we are pushing intermission faster

[tribal blade]

haha turbo boost changing timers shenanigans

[plush roost]

Yeah were gonna try lust on pull full ignore echo

Next week

Phase before first intermission

Assa rogue time 8)

[scenic plover]

we lost 2 main healers and 1 dk in progress and instead of being wr500 we are gonna be lost now. literally needed 1-2 more days and now we loose weeks

[tribal blade]

tragic

[plush roost]

It do be that way sometimes

[tribal blade]

nooo not again

[scenic plover]

it was one of the days of all time learning this

one healer is in hospital, replacement healer too somehow. but the other main healer got permad

and the dk decided to stop raiding

look at this bs

[tribal blade]

my guild doesn't take people quitting in the middle of prog well

[short radish]

[scenic plover]

i still dont accept that really

[short radish]

thats acutally such a dog move by the dk though

[tribal blade]

damn that 's a ton of low pulls and then back to early wipes

our warr wasn't in for the last night of dim prog

not having shout buff was big pain

[plush roost]

Notlikethis

[scenic plover]

and by the healer being too lazy to farm crests and letting his acc be piloted

and getting perma banne for that

[short radish]

aint no way

[scenic plover]

only 1 lock? but a feral

[short radish]

they got banned for that

fucking healers man

[tribal blade]

that's CRAZY

[scenic plover]

i mean if it would have been one of the replaceable dps then idk

[tribal blade]

losing a dk on dim is really bad too

[scenic plover]

but healers tanks warlocks are kinda not replaceable

[tribal blade]

grip is massive

[scenic plover]

and dks true

[tribal blade]

yeah dim is a very comp dependent boss

sadly

[void ocean]

best raid cd ever

[scenic plover]

imean late in prog replacing anyone is kinda tough but replacing central roles is really hard

[lilac stag]

How do they take one of your healers jumping to a HoF guild during prog?

[tribal blade]

probably hire an assassin to hunt them down IRL

[lilac stag]

Reverse prog on NK last night.

that didn’t help for sure

[tribal blade]

oh no back to progging P1?

[scenic plover]

mr.president we had reverse prog on nk last night fr fr

[wild vine]

I mean if he really had something going on that would impact his well-being if he continued to raid

who knows

[scenic plover]

he found a girl

[tribal blade]

hahaaaaa

[lilac stag]

yep. Also loved getting blasted on comms for missing a kick because the rogue thought he got hit twice when someone else actually missed it.

[wild vine]

yeah thats a weird reason to stop following your hobby ig

[scenic plover]

like no hate on that i know the struggle myself but quiting 2 days before kill is crazy talk. that last raid day in our prog with no p3 was the day just the dk was missing and the rest was there

[wild vine]

a girl shouldnt really be a struggle

especially if you just got together

[scenic plover]

not what i meant :)

[wild vine]

oh alright

[tribal blade]

those damn rogues

[scenic plover]

https://warcraftrecorder.com/link/233c528f-234e-43a6-b5fb-010ea6feb80d
how did my shadowstrike target the wall here btw?

[lilac stag]

Got the no apology apology later. My response.

[void ocean]

u tell em, bro

[lilac stag]

don’t be trying to call people out. Just not the play especially when you clearly are just guessing what happened.

I hate rogues

[lilac stag]

I’m sure HR was happy with me

[void ocean]

best exit interview ever

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-8429099573937865667

[trail mantle]

Hello, Which race is best for rogue?

[void ocean]

100m sprint

[short radish]

nah sprint lasts for longer than that

we're good for the 400

actually assuming all classes can use movement abilities

so mage blink

dh dash etc

rogue probably best over long distance

next to feral

there's the sweet spot of 12+15 seconds though

of sprint -> shroud

[scenic plover]

human is pretty sick, remove stun is something i use waaaaay too often somehow

[ivory vigil]

For armor blood/void elf

The others are too bulky (human, orc, dwarf) or have spine curve problems

[trail mantle]

orc or maghar orc which one is better for sub rogue ?

[limpid sage]

Maghar

[scenic plover]

Imo, panda rogue is pretty nice too

Or dracthyr for double jump

[limpid sage]

Don’t listen to the guy above me

[scenic plover]

If my char name didnt lock me to human i would be dracthyr or panda

[trail mantle]

I cant decife between orc and maghar

[limpid sage]

Panda/tauren/drakthyr are all so goofy looking though

Maghar is best on sims

But orc is better for pvp

[trail mantle]

cuz of stun reduction ?

[trail mantle]

I have one more question 😄 for horde which realm is best? draenor, tarren mill or twisting nether ?

[limpid sage]

Draenor and Tarren Mill are the most populated iirc

[limpid sage]

Ye

Haven’t played pvp in a while though, so donno if they’ve nerfed it

Orc was pretty much a must if you didn’t benefit more from being nelf

[trail mantle]

thanks

[short radish]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

oh race sims arent on there anymore

but also races don't really matter

[lilac stag]

race input is listed in #tc-research pins

the swing is pretty big on sub from worst to first

[graceful osprey]

Any undead sub rogue enjoyers?

[carmine portal]

YESSIR

[supple verge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crystal bone]

i always mog myself to undead if that counts

[scenic plover]

dracthyr can stay in human form tho right?

[keen dome]

If they're non-evoker ye

[golden totem]

I used to be one of them..

[keen dome]

but on the login screen they're always naked dragons

[scenic plover]

true

very annoying

[carmine portal]

Sad times, decided to go female undead for rogue bcus their model isn't twisted 30 degrees

[alpine wraith]

they have cool animations

[tribal blade]

me being nelf currently might actually pay off in midnight

if we need to breakpoint haste i'll need 1% less from gear

[hazy breach]

My guess is dwarf

Or tauren ig

[haughty mural]

tauren is not a rogue race

[hazy breach]

More crit damage is more gooder when you have more crit damage

[alpine wraith]

yea we only need 2 or 3 more nodes with crit dmg

[fossil forge]

tauren rogue is bis.

[tribal blade]

trueee

but i'm not going back dwarf

i suffered with dwarf for long enough

[fossil forge]

i finally have competition

[haughty mural]

i'd argue tauren is a bigger suffering

[fossil forge]

tauren has nerfed aura

[tribal blade]

i'd rather be a tauren any day

dwarf looks so incredibly stupid

[fossil forge]

tmog looks the worst on taurens though

the model is hella scuffed

[tribal blade]

yeah tauren in general not a great model

it's only cool if you feel like being beefy af

[haughty mural]

it just looks so stupid as a rogue

[tribal blade]

haha that's why people like it on rogue 😉

[fossil forge]

aoe stop + extra hp though

[tribal blade]

a lot of people like their characters looking stupid

hence all the meme tmogs

[fossil forge]

Warstomp gang

[tribal blade]

what's the casttime on warstomp

[fossil forge]

not sure rn i swapped to morc

[haughty mural]

i give up

[tribal blade]

seems actually quite good

only 0.5 sec cast

[fossil forge]

it only Stuns 5 targets

And its random

[slate lantern]

imagine not being goblin

[fossil forge]

Though

[tribal blade]

OH

only 5

nah it's bad

[fossil forge]

good filler button at least

Just pray it stuns the mob u wanted to stun

[tribal blade]

lol no shot

[swift tinsel]

nah just only pull 5 at a time

[slate lantern]

the outlaw way

[fossil forge]

warstomp value maxxing?

[swift tinsel]

as soon as one mob dies pull one more

just keep a 5-mob deathball rolling the whole dungeon lol

[tribal blade]

when are they gonna get rid of racials

i hate playing the racial game

[swift tinsel]

hopefully soon bc i kinda dig worgen after getting it a bunch in raid

[slate lantern]

been saying for years all combat racials should die

[fossil forge]

I dont think they are gonna get rid of something that costs 20 eur to change

[tribal blade]

so thing is people will swap because of how it looks too

i guarantee you

and the people who care about that stuff way outnumber the performance people

[swift tinsel]

^^

[tribal blade]

during legion i swapped my rogue around a bunch because i felt like playing different races

big waste of money, but i did it

[fossil forge]

nelf was pog vs mugzee

[tribal blade]

well i suppose then they would be losing the market from performance people

[fossil forge]

mugzee jail ptsd

[tribal blade]

ever since i swapped to nelf it's insane value in keys

the moments you can use it are enormous

[fossil forge]

dwarf biggest value in keys id say

[tribal blade]

like key bricking deaths kinda value

[plush roost]

I like maghar

[tribal blade]

i think it's a tie between dwarf and nelf

[plush roost]

Makes my dam go kaboom

[fossil forge]

i swapped to maghar too

[tribal blade]

i wish i could go maghar