subtlety

[short radish]

i mean don't we constnatly ask for sub to get kyveza animations or something

dudes not entirely wrong

[cloud rover]

But for example, Frost DKs have cool animations like winter and had the black puddle stuff thingy

THey couldnt see shit on Ovinax

and people around them did neither

[keen dome]

ye, but sprint?

[cloud rover]

and just died

[short radish]

yeah like i said, weird hill to die on

[ivory vigil]

yes but has the wrong attitude/style, that's why he's being picked on

[short radish]

but he's not wrong

[tribal blade]

nah i'm not pushing

[latent finch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1oetbdh/rogues_sprint_visuals_were_literally_untouched/

[cloud rover]

HELLO NOT PUSHING IM TIRAMIL

[short radish]

the heart of the hill he's dying on is valid

[tribal blade]

HELLO TIRAMIL I AM NOT SURE

[last gate]

xd

[keen dome]

haha the replies

they should bring back water running

[short radish]

picking sprint is the wrong choice

[cloud rover]

[last gate]

instead of running around in dornogal maybe do some keys

and enjoy the game

[short radish]

something like sectech

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVyRkl5qNb8

[short radish]

would be better

[last gate]

if you want animation swap class entierly

[short radish]

but yeah also almost every other class has good animations

except rogue

[cloud rover]

Well it does make sense as rogue no?

[short radish]

it does

[cloud rover]

Because you are a stealth

dude

you dont want a flare

[ivory vigil]

subtlety is the name of the spec

[short radish]

but he's not wrong that our animations are outdated

[keen dome]

SecTec is probably the only big thing for me, imo

Mostly the clones

[short radish]

we could have some animations that look good and are satisfying to see

[tribal blade]

play any other other class and it's a visual wonderland

[ivory vigil]

shadow dance should make your shadow dance

[short radish]

that being said i also wish i could turn off every other classes animation

[ivory vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-gugut-jiggle-shadow-gif-1209143805412934742

[short radish]

because i cbf looking at all that shit

but im the 1%

[tribal blade]

i like things being flashy

but yeah i can see it being too much

it's like how a lot of people turn off all game sounds

[short radish]

the fact i need a crosshair on my char to play the game

isnt good

[tribal blade]

lol i remember that shit

started using one for painsmith prog

[short radish]

yeah and ive just never gotten rid of it

[latent finch]

Same i ran so often in to the balls because i didnt see where im at because of all that stuff in melee. From range spells and other melees

[keen dome]

Def something they need to do better with. A lot more precision on hitboxes, etc and visual feedback.

[tribal blade]

yeah painsmith prog was rough

[keen dome]

That's the kind of addon change that won't impact a lot of players, but is absolutely massive to a small minority and should be considered. Either by better hitbox design, or something else.

[tribal blade]

i play with character outline mode enabled just for that

[latent finch]

There was also a dungeon with the same mechanic shadowmoon or something. How i hated how fuckery the melee hitbox where on that thing

[tribal blade]

shadowmoon burial grounds?

[warm marlin]

The bonemaw incident

[tribal blade]

haha yeah that boss was horrible

iirc they had to remove quaking on that boss

that was a season i was hard pushing but didn't make title

[cloud rover]

Quaking plus Raszageth Affix

at thte same time

was a cursed timeline

[tribal blade]

oh yeah that affix was a nightmare

[cloud rover]

iirc it was also HoV

[tribal blade]

it forced you to be very aware of upcoming mechanics

[cloud rover]

so Hyra bubble

and quaking

[tribal blade]

i fucking hated HoV

i would rank that place as one of the worst dungeons ever for me

doing last boss with 2 min cd sprint

was kinda gg

and 1 step charge

[warm marlin]

I was on havoc that season

[tribal blade]

oh NO

[warm marlin]

Half my spells (like essence break) didn’t hit unless I was inside the boss

[tribal blade]

omfg that's so bad lol

[warm marlin]

HoV Valkyrie frontals were also fun

[tribal blade]

dude the frontals in that place were illegal

just getting randomly sniped while trying to keep up with the tank chain pulling

🙂

[cloud rover]

BUT

You could outmechanic Fenryr as Outlaw

Favorite Memory of that place

[tribal blade]

i had a really hard time doing that with 200 ms

partly why i hated hov so much

thankfully nobody expected you to do the same thing on kujo

last season

[haughty rose]

not sub specific but can anyone tell me how i can mute the brannmoorpher sound with leatrix? https://www.wowhead.com/item=244792/etheric-brannmorpher#comments that's the toy but i can't find the ID

[keen dome]

every time I see that image I laugh

[tribal blade]

i honestly want to punch my screen every time i hear his voice on remix

I'M GOIN ALL OUT

[vale pine]

lol

hope your screen is okay

[haughty rose]

yeah right? i just joined a pug HC raid for chills and 4 or 5 guys spammed his voice lines

[tribal blade]

it is 😉

[vale pine]

nice

[tribal blade]

horrible, sorry you had to go through thta

[analog granite]

Why is he holding one of those spank whips

[scenic plover]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[scenic plover]

whats the symbols macro to prevent double casts?

[vale pine]

!symbols

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[wicked urchin]

kill times while being in a lower tier guild is so disheartening when you're trying to move up

[scenic plover]

thank you

[haughty rose]

i'm not sure if i will ever recover from that

anyway i found the voicelines from bran on wowhead but i'm too lazy to copy paste them into leatrix yet but this should mute all of his lines including the toy stuff

[tribal blade]

AW IT CAN'T END LIKE THIS

i want to kill him

[haughty rose]

if you are interested

https://www.wowhead.com/sounds/name:brann+bronzebeard

[tribal blade]

haha nah it's good to hear his voice to keep that hatred kindled deep down inside

[haughty rose]

after all we are staby boy shadow assassins

killing him is in our nature innit

[tribal blade]

brann is actually the worst for sub rogues

press dance to do dmg and everything goes running off to hit brann instead

and then he starts kiting

nonstop

pulls the boss out of the room

resets

like an ASSHOLE

[haughty rose]

the key is to not do delves at all

honestly cba

[scenic plover]

brann is a really good tank as sub tho, just use tricks on a heal brann

[tribal blade]

hehe might need to for the upcoming meta achieve

[tribal blade]

oh yeah for sure, but i have 0 issues in delves anymore

i'm never in trouble

[scenic plover]

start early, there is weekly and daily swapping stuff thats annoying to do

[tribal blade]

this time i'm not title pushing so i have tons of time to do it

praise allah

[haughty rose]

alhamdulillah

[scenic plover]

whats the delve meta called again?

[tribal blade]

inshallah

[tribal blade]

not sure if it's in the game yet

[scenic plover]

the meta for delve is

i have that finished but i cant remember the name

[tribal blade]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/earn-the-geargrinder-mount-by-completing-the-war-within-meta-achievement-378678

[scenic plover]

that one isnt in ye but the small ones should be in

[tribal blade]

oh this meta achieve is really easy compared to past ones

from a short glance

[scenic plover]

the delve one will have you checking multiple delves daily if you still miss stories

[tribal blade]

i did the SL and DF ones, and those were really time intensive

kind of a shame tbh, i like the meta achieves being this huge undertaking

[ivory vigil]

what? it's a huge grind, tens of hours

[scenic plover]

idk it looks pretty sizeable to me

[tribal blade]

i think i'm looking at it from the perspective of having most of that stuff completed

[scenic plover]

the "you xal not pass" is kinda big

[tribal blade]

yeah that looks like the big one

flame's radiance rep is also a big time gate if you haven't started it yet

i did that rep on and off and it took me quite a while to finish it

[scenic plover]

i did flames radiance at the start of this season for outlaw weapon

but then i swapped to sub

[bright bison]

Hello which faction is the flames radiance?

[tribal blade]

both factions have access to it

it's located in hallowfall

on the far west of the map

[hazy breach]

Its called flames radiance

[bright bison]

Oh okay I haven’t done any of that so I’ll check it out next. Thank you guys!

Oh wait I’m misunderstanding I thought you needed it for an important weapon. 🙂

Like the cloak

[tribal blade]

nah outlaw used a weapon from it in their offhand

because it has a proc that hits at the start of combat

but outlaw gets vanish so often they can proc it nonstop

[shadow lance]

I guess some people needs to learn to read

[tribal blade]

not sure if they still use it anymore after turboboost

[bright bison]

Thank you sorry again

[tribal blade]

no worries

[haughty rose]

TIL outlaw uses a dagger as off hand. can you transmog daggers to one hand swords/mazes/axes? if not that's a massive outlaw L

[tribal blade]

cannot 🙁

dagger is the only 1 hander weapon that is unique in appearance

mace/sword/axe can all tmog into each other

fist too

it's partly why tmogging as rogue feels bad

rogues are also the only class in the game who use agi daggers

[haughty rose]

damn another reason to never play outlaw. for me outlaw/combat was always a spec that uses 2 swords. imo class fantasy suffers if you are limited to a sword and dagger even tho there a probably some nice class fantasies with that combination

[hazy breach]

Theres very very little difference between a dagger and a something else in your offhand for outlaw

Very negligible

[tribal blade]

i think if you tmog the artifact appearance it will replace the offhand dagger appearance

[haughty rose]

dps wise or fantas wise?

[hazy breach]

Dps

its literally only more instant poison procs, so its like 0.1%

[haughty rose]

ah ok. but still, min maxxing is a huge part of the game and it would bug the hell out of me if i could technically do 0,1% more damage lol

but doesn't sound too bad to be fair

[vale pine]

good that you play outlaw then and not subtlety

subtlety has a lot of these small min/maxes i can asure you even the best players don't min max every 0.1% of

[shadow lance]

Right, cba overthink about rotation to gain O.1%

[wet robin]

So proud

All three specs actually played awesome in floodgate

Alternated sub/bleed sin blast on pulls. A million AoE blinds

[latent finch]

Sad that floodgate is one of the keys where blinds is not that nice to have because some mobs are immune to it because ... rp i guess

[azure mauve]

they are robots bro

what is a little dirt going to do against them

[latent finch]

Fair, but why can i box them in the stomach to stun them

[vale pine]

maybe allowing people to set custom names on details was a mistake

[azure mauve]

that is why blizz is getting rid of details

[vale pine]

true

[fleet wharf]

can't you ignore it in settings too?

[azure mauve]

aka max's legion kill vid, someone check his details name

[vale pine]

yes, you can

[azure mauve]

if you know you know

[vale pine]

i don't know, but i feel like i also don't wana know

[void ocean]

damn AI

[wet robin]

i’m proud of who i am

[plush roost]

Awarege

[jaunty heath]

Actually a huge fan of this weeks changes who knew the day would come

I really thought Id be full doomer for a full release cycle again... for the 3rd time

[jaunty heath]

Whyd Sub come in last tho

[fleet acorn]

question about ST sub on bosses - when do i use my vanish? is it like used to put up 100% find weakness before a burst? cause i cant see it being used in opener

[jaunty heath]

Idk but a quick sim scroll will tell you

[shadow lance]

Kinda useless to use

[uneven scarab]

doesn’t really do anything for sub

its just an extra shadow strike

[shadow lance]

Yep

[uneven scarab]

in terms of offensive use ya

[shadow lance]

Use it out of dance with Sectech and dance on cd

I use it as a shadow step mainly

[vale pine]

vanish is optional

so you can use it as filler

[fleet acorn]

ty

[vale pine]

vanish use will be more relevant in Midnight

shadowstrike will do a lot more damage if things stay like they are currently

[mental wyvern]

Shadowstrike is sooo satisfying. I'd be happy pressing that button 24/7 and even skipping Evis. during Shadow Dance windows.

I kinda feel like Rupture is a little out of place and hope they remove it for sub in Midnight personally...

[uneven scarab]

rupture is very iconic

be hard to for them to remove

Also just would make the spec even more bland outside of cd’s

Not that pressing a rupture over evisc is that different rofl

[mental wyvern]

I guess I don't mind the effect per se but using valuable resource and GCD during tight windows to maintain it feels like ass lol.

[jolly sleet]

fix : make evisc extend rupture for 1gcd during dance

might be broken

but thats a question of balancing

[uneven scarab]

well you should never have to maintain it in ur window, should always be done before

[mental wyvern]

Was thinking about PvP openers lol.

Ain't nothing like popping all your CDs, trinkets, and racial and blowing someone up.

But then Rupture comes in.

[uneven scarab]

ngl i dont even think rupture is used in pvp

when i played bg’s it felt like an absolute waste

[warm marlin]

man i should not have looked at this while im hungry

those look great

[mental wyvern]

Sauteed/stir-fry brocollies are pretty pog yea. Stay away from boiled...

[vale pine]

i don't hate broccoli

cauliflower is evil but broccoli can be quite good depending on the dish

just don't overcook it

[mental wyvern]

Wait what lol. Isn't Cauliflower much more mild than broccoli. I feel like cauliflower is inoffensive and vanilla.

Whoops, wrong reply lol

[alpine wraith]

there is the purple one that everyone hates

but no one remembers the name

[uneven scarab]

idk tbh i find cauliflower more offensive

broccoli just hits right

[thorny ridge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[austere spindle]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[sage ivy]

late to the party but i use it for premed to get combo points for second coup outside of cds

[agile ingot]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[marble comet]

hi i have 2 questions

1. is it vaild to use araz on SD+Symbol window aswell?

2. How much energy i need before pressing SD to have good burst angel and dont run out of energy?

[dense mountain]

trinkets should only be used with flag+sb windows.
you dont need to pool for energy on sub you have enough energy during dance windows.

[limpid sage]

Cauliflower tastes a tiny bit like farts imo

While broccoli is goated

[vale pine]

can't wait for all the sub rogues in mdi

[void hound]

cauliflower is great

[bleak night]

so far the only rogue spec to be played at all

shindigg w

[last gate]

forge vs prism on dungeon?

[wet echo]

Both

[maiden oar]

oh huh

we love sub rogue!

[bleak night]

well

its kinda just being played because of the spec variety rule

so hes just playing it in the low keys so he has dh free for the ones that actually matter

but representation none the less

[hazy breach]

Those rules are so strange

[haughty rose]

does siphoning siletto have an embellishment on it? bceause if i replace my everforged dagger with ascendance with it and put focusing lens on my neck i have 1% DPS increase. if i only replace the dagger with siletto i have 0,3% increase

[hazy breach]

It is an embellishment yes

Droptimizer just screws it up, use topgear

[fast flax]

boys

is this well simmed ?

i dont feel like peacemeaker is that good isnt ?

[vale pine]

^^

[haughty rose]

i did actually. no warning that i have too many embellishments tho

[hazy breach]

Top gear shouldnt use more than 2 embellishments either way

But siphon sucks big ass anyway, never craft it

[haughty rose]

that's weird because i had one on my wrist already, replaced the everforged with siphoning and added amulet with focusing lens. means 3 embellishments in total no?

[haughty rose]

why is that? even without the extra embellishment and same enchant it sims better on both ST and dung slice than everforged

[maiden oar]

dont say that even if its true i wanted to believe

[sage ivy]

why did they french translate coup de grace into smthng else lol

[dire hare]

question re aoe in dungeons, in Shindiggs sub guide video (if im understanding correctly) he says to use BP as your main finisher only when 7+ targets, otherwise if <7 targets to use evis as your finisher as long as flawless form is active, but in the wowhead guide it says to use BP in any 4+ target situation. So when should I be using BP?

[sage ivy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vURj5PzU5-A
this one? i think its just outdated info

[dire hare]

yep that one

[sage ivy]

its for last patch, some stuff will have changed. they buffed bp a bunch since that vid came out i think

[dire hare]

oh ok!

tyty

[wet echo]

This is why video guides suck, 1 small change and you gotta make a whole new video

And obviously, wrong patch in this case

[alpine wraith]

idk nothing has changed really from my last video

but also yea if you try to watch a video from last season expect things to be outdated

[vale pine]

you could structure it in a way that does not need a full new recording i assume

but its for sure one issue with video guides

[sage ivy]

ShT is confusing me a bit, it seems to refill CPs if it gets enough stacks some time after using a finisher. do we know for how long after using a finisher it does that? is it worth playing around?

couldnt find any info on it anywhere

like if im in cds and use a finisher at 5/6 stacks, should i chill or just queue a generator risking burning those stacks?

[floral geyser]

Sht is SHIT

[vale vault]

on a 2 target encounter f.e first boss priory, do i shuriken storm or backstab outside of cds?

[vale vault]

ty ♥

[vale pine]

or shadow techniques

[rigid sparrow]

hii. Is anyone got apl for the double on use trinkets sim ?

[hazy breach]

Dont need one

Works just baseline

[rigid sparrow]

works with pop each trinket on every second offensives?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[rigid sparrow]

ahaa ty

[fast flax]

Yo boys what do we actually run netherprism with?

[fast flax]

Any info on this?

[hazy breach]

Antenna/forge/pacemaker, take your pick

[analog granite]

Can you use vanish to cancel the hookgrab on the pirate dragon boss in gambit? If you use it when it first targets you

[fast flax]

And how do w pop the nether?

Every cd or we have to stack it

[hazy breach]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[shrewd lantern]

Idk what you're surprised about from this sim

[turbid cedar]

how is rupture used in m+?

is it only outside of dance/symbols

[hallow night]

On soul hunters do you just press shuriken storm to maintain find weakness uptime?

[mental shore]

yo

have any diff on prior when running finality isntead of the rotten

[distant sage]

cinema

13ilvl up 13k dps down

[lofty lance]

dont play rotten its a bait talent :p

[plush roost]

Nop, u still bp at 4+ or 3+ fw, u still coup always, u still storm once between coups in cds, u still shadowstrike during dance

[fast flax]

How much better is thistle tea over cold blood? I feel like u would just passively drink it by mistake and waste more damage than running cold blood?

[tepid trellis]

Slightly more AoE for slightly less single target

[alpine wraith]

yea around 1% both ways

but there are a lot of variables that will move your dps more than your talent choice on that way

[winter harbor]

You guys doing the new strat on dimmy where you are holding CDs on platform 1?

[alpine wraith]

depends on comp

usually now you dont use 2 mins on p1 but on first platform

and then use 1:30 on second then hold as usual or whatever

[winter harbor]

Yeah they are talking about using 2s on platform 1 and 90s on plat 2

Kind of makes me feel like assassination would be better for this strat. Sitting on cds as sub doing healer damage seems a bit sus.

[alpine wraith]

assasination is also bad you dont get 2 set of cds in p3

so rogue once again is krangled kinda

[mental shore]

what is fw

ty for info

[keen dome]

FW is Find Weakness

[alpine wraith]

or fat walrus

but usually find weakness

[fickle jacinth]

might be dumb question but do you want to wait till Coup is over before doign another attack? I.E. you have full CP already after hitting coup

[alpine wraith]

you have to wait because if coup is not over you cant use anything?

you just spam a finisher and if it does not shadwocraft you use a builder

[fickle jacinth]

i swear i can use something else since i still here the double swish swish sound it makes

but cool thanks wasnt sure if i would be cutting damage in half if i didnt wait

[azure thicket]

mouseover shadowstep is stonks tbh

[jolly sleet]

I wish we had a glyph or a technique like the mages do for their blink for keeping our orientation when shadowsteping

[hoary coyote]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[plush roost]

Wait till u find about about mouseover[exists];@target shadowstep

And

/cast @focus, shadowstep

(Note these macros are probably syntaxxed wrong its off memory completely)

[azure thicket]

yeah exists shadowstep is nice

[warm marlin]

@lilac stag castsequence seems untenable, it breaks when you press it twice as expected so dont really want to risk it like that

[analog granite]

Is this a mouseover macro that casts shadowstep on the focus target if you aren't hovering your cursor over another target?

[polar fog]

hey all, quick question, why am I getting 5cp when I use shadowstrike? no buffs, not from premeditaion, just improved ambush
this should give me 4cp when I shadowstrike, right? because it generates 3cps, but with improved ambush it should give 4, why am I getting 5?

could it be Weaponmaster?

[latent finch]

Its a passive from sub rogue. We also have some talents which chances how it works biggest example is shadowcraft which makes it not only trigger more but also getting the refunds after using a finisher

[polar fog]

but it seems that shadow tech stacks are not going down when I generate these additional cps... I mean sometimes they do but not all the times? I think it's the weaponmaster talent making shadowstrike double

[latent finch]

Yes that can also give extra cp. But that talent is rearly taken anymore because most of the time its just a bit of extra dmg

[polar fog]

yeah yeah I'm just leveling and putting random talents in, i need to take a look at builds but only when I hit lvl cap, I'm in legion remix now, I got a rogue already at cap but only played assa and outlaw on it, I'm taking this chance to learn sub

[plush roost]

Nah those are 2 seperate macros and the syntax is almost 100% incorrect since im not at my pc.

First one is supposed to be mouseover step, if no mouseover then current target.

Second is just a step to focus macro

[analog granite]

Yeah that's exactly what I meant. Seems very useful for kick as well

[dire hare]

how are you guys spreading rupture efficiently on big pulls? mouseover macro? hard swapping targets?

[wicked jolt]

Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.

• Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
  NOT Recommended - Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully.
• Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
  Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than 1% damage gain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.

[vale pine]

!prepull

[fast flax]

is the talent improved wounded posion actually biss for the mini in hoa?

or is not worth the 2 more stacks

i feel like 29 to 49 its insane actually

[hazy breach]

Yes its good there if you dont manage to kill it before it heals

[fast flax]

i mean no one is one shotting that in a 18 19 right

[lethal gale]

Maybe a 17

[plush roost]

We one shot it in a 19 we did

Sub fdk havoc

Havoc went brrrrrrrrrrr

Lemme see if i can find it

[lethal gale]

Brb swapping havoc

[plush roost]

Havoc went BŔRRRRRRRRR

He did so much damage i didnt even get to finish my cd

Actual boss dam

[lethal gale]

He crazy

[dire hare]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[ancient leaf]

hey guys - lets say my fullburst is up in 1 min (flag+ blades) how much time do i need to pool for having enough dances to insta send the burst?

[uneven scarab]

you want 2 dances and 2 sods with flag+blades

[ancient leaf]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[ancient leaf]

!atro

[wicked jolt]

Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

[mental shore]

shidings thistle tea build 😮

[analog granite]

Quality of tanks in m+ has been down the drain today, are the good ones all playing lemix or what

[uneven scarab]

They are

I had pug tanks doing warcrime pulls all day yesterday

[sage ivy]

what part of our spec is causing double unseen blade procs on one backstab/Shs

[analog granite]

Glad it's not just me

Had a dk tank that didn't use combat rez with 2 people dead

[uneven scarab]

2 set

[sage ivy]

ah ty

[uneven scarab]

Oh yeah literally exact thing happened in a pug yesterday, our dk just refused to rez for like 30 seconds and we all died

[analog granite]

Ye same

After last boss ara kara we were missing like less than 1% and this dudes decides to pull the mobs in the middle that no one ever pulls

Causing a wipe and a not in time

[uneven scarab]

Yeah thats cooked

[mental shore]

any idea when use shurken tornado?

[uneven scarab]

Think its used to spread ruptures or just when you got nothing else

I haven’t played tornado in forever tho could be wrong

[sage ivy]

3rd dance with a buncha flawless form stacks from the little ive watched of the stream

[warm goblet]

why is the game so miserable without skyfury

i just hate how lackluster dances feel without it

[limpid sage]

you can do it in dungeons with large mob counts

[analog granite]

if my trinkets are signet of the priory and lily of the eternal weave, can I just macro them both to shadowblades? Signet going first cuz it's 2min CD

[limpid sage]

yes but I’m not even sure priory grants more than lily despite it being 2 min

[warm marlin]

would be significantly better off finding a passive and using it with lily

[analog granite]

Idk but I thought you should always send the longest CD trinket first

[limpid sage]

ye farm pacemaker

[limpid sage]

you should generally speaking as well ye

[analog granite]

you're right it doesn't sim higher than my warpclaw but my claw is champion track

but might as well farm pacemaker yeah

[limpid sage]

how much does priory give vs lily on use?

[analog granite]

Lily 8886 mastery and priory 8441 mastery

[limpid sage]

ye so you should basically just ignore the fact that priory is an on-use

[vale pine]

think the best action would be to get netherprism heroic or mythic

which became a lot easier now with the dinar

[warm marlin]

any ideas on what the highest value st talent is between RS, finality, rotten, assuming we already have PE?

[vale pine]

best would be to sim it

[warm marlin]

my other talents have cooked the sim logic a bit so that will not work great

my guess is rotten

[analog granite]

I wish I could get netherprism on mythic but I'm not much of a raider

[idle echo]

How should I balance my stats as a Subtlety Rogue — is it better to run around 22k mastery, 20k versatility, and 12k crit, or go for something like 15k versatility, 17k crit, and 22k mastery?

[analog granite]

guess I'll sim heroic netherprism vs mythic pacemaker

[wet echo]

sim

[coarse hound]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hrrisGahEQBMC37VxuZEmb

Sim it

[warm marlin]

@hazy breach my goat do u happen to know

[coarse hound]

Still dont know why Rotten sims just a 100k higher for me

[shrewd lantern]

you run whatever simc says is higher

[idle echo]

I keep seeing very diff stats on logs with same trinkets

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah because the difference

is like fuckall

whats 30k on a 10mil sim?

and thats a “noticeable” gain

stats arent the reason you underperform

[tepid trellis]

people also dont nescessarily have access to the exact same rings/necks and off pieces

[shrewd lantern]

I think the only big piece

is if you have a 730 prism

or not

Nothing like going into a group with a 70k agi injection and peaking 60m

[sharp bolt]

New to this discord and raidbots.com sim. Anyone know the best settings for the "Simulation Options" menu? For Mythic+ / Raid. Thanks

[vale pine]

default settings are perfect for raid

for mythic+ you might want to dissable some of the raid buffs, just make sure to turn then on again before simulating raid again

[sharp bolt]

@vale pine Which raid buffs should be disabled for mythic+? Which fight style? Number of Bosses? Fight Length?

[vale pine]

patchwerk for raid

dungeon slice for m+

main use for simulations should be for gear decisions

[sharp bolt]

Dungeon slice says "6 minute slice of an M+ dungeon. Overrides Fight Length. Check with your class Discord to see if appropriate for your spec." which is why I came here. Where do I find out if Sub Rogue is one of the classes?

[vale pine]

lets say it this way

the fight style was created by rogues ^^

[sharp bolt]

ah

[vale pine]

aethys, kojiama, mystler and me to be specifc (years ago)

[sharp bolt]

Thanks

should I disable ALL raid buffs for mythic+?

[vale pine]

you should keep bloodlust enabled

[sharp bolt]

k

[analog granite]

why is this exactly? I thought haste was next to useless on sub

[vale pine]

you always bring a class with lust to your key

so it is a guaranteed raid buff

[analog granite]

For some reason I was thinking the 6min slice will assume you have 100% uptime on lust

but it probably only takes 1 instance of lust into account since it's within a 6min window

[vale pine]

yes, you only get it once

[acoustic drum]

Question im maybe blind start SUB alt what should i so with the Sparks is there some pref way how i use the 6 i have

[shrewd lantern]

make a mainhand make bracers for 2nd embellish

then whatever rng doesnt like you

[acoustic drum]

K thanks probly will do that then

[last gate]

why shindigg plays shuriken tornado in mdi? :3

(in halls 17)

[twilit oracle]

In damage amp phases like in nexus, is sub at 18 stacks of prism a bigger burst than assassin? and is it a massive difference?

[hazy breach]

Sub does noticeably more burst than assa yes

[twilit oracle]

worst spell ever I just talent out of that back in df was never using it

[twilit oracle]

Ballpark on the difference? if you know it

[hazy breach]

Nado is good but people dont like it

[last gate]

should i use it?

ive never used it

in my life

[hazy breach]

If you want to

[twilit oracle]

if you don't like it don't use it

[last gate]

idk if its a damage gain or not

[hazy breach]

Dont need to

[twilit oracle]

I never used it

[last gate]

i want to deal more dmg

IDC how a spell works

[twilit oracle]

I personally hate the spell, i'd happily take a 10% damage loss to not play it (it's not 10% just saying i'd still be fine if it was that much of a diff). but I doubt not taking it/not using it will make THAT much of a difference that you aren't timing keys

[last gate]

im fine about timing keys i just want to be THE NUMBER ONE in dps :3

[twilit oracle]

Real i'm like that too, but when it comes to that spell idk what it is I just hate it, tried using it a few times but makes me feel weird idk how to describe it

but a skilled player like me can take the dps loss and still top dps trust

[last gate]

:3

[shy flare]

I have a macro that’s just
/use 13
/cast Shadow Blades

It’s worked fine for the past month then all of a sudden in a key it was acting up, shadowblades would still cast but my netherprism would not activate despite having plenty of stacks.

Has anyone encountered something like this?

It started working again outside of the key after it was done

[mental shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fickle jacinth]

!trinket

do you hold Prism to full stacks or just use every SB?

[dense mountain]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[dense mountain]

on CD is nuetral , but if you can plan to use with dmg amp or adds it can be better than on cd

[tame terrace]

looking at lorgs, how are people getting their 2nd flag at like 1:25?

on nexus king

is that just some prepull shenanigans

oh

hpal

fcking blessing of autumn

[steel horizon]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[polar fog]

why do I generate full cps when I use shadowstrike even if I don't have premeditation buff up? And the answer is not shadow techniques, since the stacks of that buff dont go down when I generate these cps

nevermind, I tracked the buff better and I think it is shadow techs...

[wet echo]

can also be shadowstrike WM proc + 1 sht

wait

you're not running 2nd strategem...

then it's just WM proc

this is the weirdest build i've ever seen

[plush roost]

Looks like hes leveling since hes capped on points but is missing dark soul macabre etc

[fossil forge]

can someone send me thistle tea build

[hazy breach]

You select thistle tea instead of cb

[rigid sparrow]

gi guys! looks like the sims tells me to pick astral antenna (myth track) and prism on my m+. Although, araz+prism hero seems kind of different. Does anyone knows if it worths to have 2 hero items* araz+prism) than astral myth and prims hero?

[plush roost]

Astral myth + prism hero will net you more overall and allows flexibility in usage

Also better for boss dps

Downside is a worse first pull of key

For example this was my st on gigazap, note kill timer isnt even perfect

[rigid sparrow]

hmmm then i will better use antenna even on bad first pulls

[lone halo]

Does anyone know if there is a WA or MDT/MRT addon that uses the dungeon route and gives recommendations on when to use CDs based on your pace and whatever

[wet echo]

that sounds insanely difficult/impossible to make

[lone halo]

I dunno. There’s so much tech now in addons.

Anyways someone told me it existed but I never looked and I forgot the name.

But also I could be getting trolled

Figured I would ask here with the experts

[hazy breach]

Generally if your target lives through your cds

you should be sending

[wet echo]

i did a key with another sub and a frost dk at some point, and mobs would go from 100% to 10% in 20 sec and the last 10% would last another 20 sec without any1's CDs, and no1 wanted to pop even a small CD because it felt like they should just passively die

[lone halo]

Ya

[wet echo]

i overcapped dance multiple times cuz i didn't wanna dance against 4 mobs on 10% hp

but at that point, sacrificing a dance would have been the better play

[short aurora]

how many extra cp ist a supercharged cp?

+3?

or 4

with forced induction

[vale pine]

+3

[short aurora]

@vale pine always like an eagle ready to attack with answers

[vale pine]

it is an easy question

supercharger gives you +2

and induction is +1

so you get 2 times +3 combo points

[last gate]

dum question :3
should i sim dungeon slice?

or aoe dummy like a monkey

[vale pine]

dungeon slice is good for gearing

[last gate]

tbh i was playing with Tea the whole time
i just want to know should i play CB since i can do my rotation easly now

i've been playing CB in raids idk if its that effective in dungeons too or not

[vale pine]

cb and tea both are good

[last gate]

its the sim i get from dungeon slice

[vale pine]

so personal preference

[last gate]

but Which one better :3

should i swap back and forth between them

like Cb in dungeons with less mobs like street etc..?

or doesnt matter

[vale pine]

they are about equal

so play whatever you like

i know thats a hard thing to do ^^

[last gate]

EXACTLY xd

Rather learn SUB AGAIN than playing whatever i like xd

[plush roost]

Its about 1% either way for boss dam (coldblood) or pure aoe (tea) it is actually pure preference

[last gate]

got it

What about
finality and the rotten?

again preference?

[plush roost]

Ive been playing a bit more cb again now that im fully geared and i think at the cutting edge range youll want cb to push bosses 5 seconds faster for timings but idk its very min maxy

[plush roost]

Finality is strictly better, the choice is veil touched vs tornado

[vale pine]

finality and rotten is also preference

finality is a bit more aoe

rotten slightly better st

[last gate]

Ah

so should i get rotten and go Tea? :3

[plush roost]

If u want to maximize boss dps, rotten cb is technically strongest

[last gate]

i was using rotten to spread FW on mobs aoe ...

[plush roost]

Since lethality interacts with rotten well

[last gate]

im dumb i guess :3

[plush roost]

Youd rather not press storm in cds aoe unless between coups

[last gate]

OH DAMN

[plush roost]

So rotten tends to npt be used that way

If it happens to align its nice but idk ive grown off from rotten personally

[last gate]

got it

[plush roost]

Maybe i try it again and go for boss dps parse hehe

[last gate]

also some people in murlok.io play [Planned Execution]

is it just a raid talent?

[plush roost]

In keys thats definitely not right

Its just for raid st

[last gate]

got it

why prism anthenna sim more than araz prism?

[scenic plover]

because pism araz is for damage amp phses

[last gate]

is it just a raid thing ?

to use double on use

[scenic plover]

sim doesnt have damage amps

[last gate]

i didnt get it..

you mean its only good for raid?

or sim just throw trinkets like a monkey?

[scenic plover]

i mean, prism and araz are good if you have damage phases instead of sustained damage

a sim has only sustainted damage

now you need to decide if you want more burst or more sustained

there is a cmmand with the explanation here but idk

[alpine wraith]

yea in a normal situation prism+araz is neutral to decent

with amps you usually play those better

but also if some phases dont need dmg the passive becomes better again sometimes

[pastel rampart]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[dense nest]

Yo guys! I am a classic andy returning to retail with intention to play in Midnight :)) I will use the legion remix to level my rogue as main and pick up some skins along the way and then transition to midnight. My question is - what spec is the most fun and be good transitioning to midnight. My last experience playing rogue is in WOTLK so...idk where to begin. Any advise would be appreciated!

[uneven scarab]

Theyre all good and you should try them all and decide whats most fun for you

rlly cant go wrong

[quaint lodge]

WE don't really have any definitive stuff on midnight's rogue iterations, its subject to a lot of change in the next few months, so i'd say just plan for the end of this season

[alpine wraith]

you can try the three of them yea

sub has changed a lot over the years

so maybe you dont like it now or when midnight dropos

[jaunty heath]

o.o

[mental flume]

How does First Dance talent work in raid ?

[warm marlin]

you get it once on pull and then it does nothing for the rest of the fight

[fossil forge]

any tips for daddy dimmy

[steel zinc]

focus target your dk and step him

and just send cds on cooldown and use them to progress xyz

[fossil forge]

✅ already have

[steel zinc]

your the most broken spec up their with dk and arcane mage

you can do everything

[fossil forge]

any hidden tips for parsing

china damage hack ?

[steel zinc]

parse depends highly upon the dmg you have in raid and how fast you are

at this point its w/e and timings on wcl are scuffed

[fossil forge]

i think i saw someone saying if you sectech the boss you dont hit the adds

[steel zinc]

I did a 82 89 on first and 2nd kill and 3rd kill was omega scuffed after turboboost

[fossil forge]

im not sure i might be capping

[steel zinc]

no

[warm marlin]

sectec clones go on the center of the targets hitbox

[steel zinc]

also you need blessing from paladin

if you dont have blessing

[fossil forge]

we do not have.

[steel zinc]

might as well jump off the cliff

I wont play that boss without paladin

[fossil forge]

ive been begging since saladbar

[warm marlin]

autumn crutchers

[steel zinc]

like its so much pain

[warm marlin]

[steel zinc]

on prog I got one that was fine

like 95% of subs during prog

[alpine wraith]

right now parsing wont be possible for a bit

timers got omegakrangled

[steel zinc]

yup

if you want to parse rn your kinda trolling

because your sending on p2 2nd plattform cds

and not during dmg amp

the boss rn is imo complete shitshow

you either stop dps

dont get one orb

or just blast and feel bad to have not cds that you had during prog for xyz phase

great boss just poor in farm

nexus king holds up way better imo

[fossil forge]

ive played entire saladbar without autumn almost it was fine ig

i guess it will be cancer now after boost

[steel zinc]

yeah that boss is fine without it

even rn its fine

not great because you wont have cds for the whole dmg amp

[ivory vigil]

is this fine for m+? 10-12 keys

[steel zinc]

bind tea to sectech coldblood keybind

for m+

[fossil forge]

i mean by the time ive got cds the drake was almost gone

[steel zinc]

yeah

[ivory vigil]

i don't run CB in m+

[steel zinc]

I know

but you can use the same macro for cb and just add tea to it

[ivory vigil]

okay, makes sense

had a lot of wasted energy gain in my logs after using just dance and tea

so I figured backstab in between should help, but this also works

[plain void]

whats the command for the spreadsheet showing which mechanics our defensives work on

[ripe flame]

!def

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[plain void]

ty

[fluid fiber]

guys, is boss st dmg just shit rn? in m+ dk, hunter, idk. everyone does way more than me

[vale pine]

we are bad in pure st, correct

for mythic+ dungeons, fights are short enough to make us good

[fluid fiber]

idk i have literally 700-800 maybe 900k boss dmg while others have 1,1 or 1,2 + billion + dmg in a +19 key for example

i cant keep up at all -.-

760k on first boss in eco +19 and dk has 960k and hunter 930k. thats embarassing

[steel zinc]

rogue is the best 3:30 class

after that you fall off a cliff

[scenic plover]

!def

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[scenic plover]

is shadowquake (dimensius ring) dot reduced by feint?

[wet echo]

did any1 else get actual depression progging salhadar without autumn?

[chrome palm]

ele might want a word with you

[vale pine]

did any1 else get actual depression progging salhadar without autumn?
maybe

[wet echo]

who in their right mind designs a fight where a phase starts at 2:45 and then has a burst phase at ~4:20

just make the fuckin p1 10 sec longer and the fight is perfect

[inland crane]

i wasnt sure which one to ask this in but, if i was to buy a trinket for Raid fighting not so much M+ that would suit both assassin and sublety which would be the recommendation i grab. online its saying netherprism but i wanted to make sure

[chrome palm]

netherprism

[mental flume]

!FUU

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quiet ginkgo]

is there any rng in getting 2 sectechs in the opener with first dance or is that 100% repeatable?

[alpine wraith]

there is some rng on getting coup

unless you do pre disorient

[quiet ginkgo]

im always like 1 gcd short of getting it

and cant tell if i suck or if its just random

[alpine wraith]

you also need to use SoD early sometimes

like if sec tech is 10 secs away

you use SoD and then you have it next finisher

instead of finishing and it having 3 secs cd

[analog granite]

so I'm trying to figure out which item would be the best for me to craft at this point, I'm not sure if I should go with crafted chest or boots. Chest is the biggest upgrade atm but it has a higher stat budget than boots

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xjVnGSmVA19dRFxnf3rvZU

[woeful wren]

seeing some of the m+ runners move away from double on use, is it the play or w.e

[alpine wraith]

in m+ runs sometimes you hold cds

the more you hold the worse double on use is

[kind edge]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[distant sage]

how much dps do you lose on soulbinder when u dont cast any cold bloods

cuz u forgot u had that talent after 12 myth 12s

[limpid sage]

idk I didn't have any issues with cd timings

you get them up for platform without autumn if you just send insta

[wet echo]

you get them late on the platform and the construct dies before blades are off

[limpid sage]

I didn't have that issue, but maybe you just have big pumpers

[ivory vigil]

The usual recommendation is weapon-wrist/ring

[ivory vigil]

Because armor is easier to obtain and you need 2 rings

[limpid sage]

you can skip weapon if you have another mythic wep as well

[ivory vigil]

Yes, weapon for main hand only

[analog granite]

I crafted a weapon and bracerq already so I'm now looking for my third crafted item

I guess ring is smartest but boots and chest upgrade sim quite a bit higher

[distant sage]

if u have tier set just craft lowest ilvl item or stat item like ring or neck

[tepid trellis]

just not boots

[distant sage]

get hc boots from soul hunters

[tepid trellis]

get the raid boots

[analog granite]

I should spend my dinars on that even if I can only get them on heroic?

[distant sage]

if u can beg for them in raid

[analog granite]

Because it's either heroic prism or boots for my dinar. Or I could take mythic pacemaker

[distant sage]

prism

no question

[wet echo]

when did you prog it? before turbo boost?

[analog granite]

Still need to do raid on heroic even but that's at least manageable

[limpid sage]

no killed it on turbo boost release day actually

[tepid trellis]

i dont have that issue on farm

[limpid sage]

is your platform generally down way before the other one?

[tepid trellis]

mine is yeah

cuz i kill it

[distant sage]

u can try and just save cds and pad real hard with prsim on it

[tepid trellis]

i just pot/prism it whenever my cds are up at 3min

[warm marlin]

if your titan is dying before blades is over on prog something is seriously wrong

[tepid trellis]

2dks, 1 rogue and 1 arcane mage all on one platform

[warm marlin]

i zoned out and went to the wrong side this week with havoc/arcane/bm and it still survived blades

[tepid trellis]

well bm and havoc dont do that much

unless they held their cds

[warm marlin]

the havoc was 2nd highest damage to titan in the raid

above the dk who sent full prism

funnel gaming

bm didnt do that much i guess

[limpid sage]

wat

havoc is insane prio dmg

at least whenever I look at their dmg

somehow all their dmg is prio and they still have goated overall

[warm marlin]

i mean that's doing a pretty good amount by my definition

[tepid trellis]

titan was the last to die here, and its me + arcane + 1dh + warr + ele

so it really shouldnt be dead

[wet echo]

wait, how many healers are you running?

that's only 12 dps in the screenshot

[tepid trellis]

there are dps players below the tank

3 healers in total

[limpid sage]

You still go evis on farm or bp?

[steel zinc]

havoc has insane funnel as long as the small adds are alive

except he plays fs

[crystal rain]

Just realized i've been using narubian for the entire season, does swapping to elemental really change much?

[tepid trellis]

no

[fleet acorn]

I use Double Elemental for everything and it feels rly good so I’m Not changing anything

[lyric violet]

Hi ppl, what kind of stats u play? Im trying to let max mastery and versa and so crit but a lot of ppl use less than 90% mastery

[hazy breach]

Not haste and youre fine

[lyric violet]

I have:

93% mastery
24% versa
31% crit
5% haste to lower more

I got 2.8k more versa ( 4% ) with buff in key

[short radish]

Not haste and youre fine

[tidal marsh]

Not haste and youre fine

[brisk onyx]

[thorny moss]

guys should I stack haste

[quaint lodge]

yea

[thorny moss]

thanks

[jade oasis]

idk who i talked to about bladee in here

but im at the show

[tulip folio]

whats best m+ sub build

atm

?

[worldly remnant]

Tea one probably

[tulip folio]

yeah i see people play that but how that differs from rotten build

[worldly remnant]

Plays the same, just no cb st

Rotten is a very meh talent anyway

[stiff stirrup]

what spec is the go to for legion?

leveling/dungeon spams

just quality of life wise

[worldly remnant]

Sub is definitely not it for leveling

But I leveled a 2nd char in a few hours yesterday (as sub). Do like 0 damage and have very awkward ability interactions until you are high 70s

[woeful wren]

One thing I'm curious of in M+ do ppl play around the first dance? Like would you sit out of combat for x seconds to get it

[worldly remnant]

Definitely

[woeful wren]

To the extent where you would vanish to break combat ever and wait it out if a chain pull is happening or

[worldly remnant]

pretty much ye

If tank is chaining mobs at like 2% you can vanish and chill till it resets

[woeful wren]

cool ty

[fast flax]

can we skip the sentinel on eco dome ?

shrouding or vanishing somehow?

[steel zinc]

Yes just distract and the run left past it

Not that worth tbh but yes

[raven maple]

How's the sub community feeling about the midnight changes?

[short radish]

#midnight-subtlety

but not good

[peak jetty]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[peak jetty]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[opal mantle]

yea tanks meld it

never tried to distract it but shroud doesnt work

[tight monolith]

if you distract and hug well it works but too risky

released one time we skipped but made it back with just distract

[lean arch]

which t11 delve is easiest to run?

[peak jetty]

I got a brain 404 error because my simming doesnt seem to sim:

1. Why does my Myth Antenna and HC Prism sim better at dungeon slice than Myth Araz and HC Prism at about BIS gear (728,3 gs) - (Sim delta is 1% to 2% depending on m+ or raid talents)

2. Why does the Raid build with (IST+PE instead of RS+TR) sim better in at dungeon slice but every high rio player plays the m+ build?

Example: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vVN1bCxvvc1mULkZoN6zVA

[nova cairn]

If you’re going for most dmg on saladbar add platform do you use BP?

[alpine wraith]

yea but not for long as adds die quite fast

[fleet wharf]

smh my pad

[limpid sage]

I do it for danse stacks, but else I just full evis

I think reducing the time singletargetting the titan makes it better to evis over bp

[fleet wharf]

have you guys killed saladbar since we got turboboost? I'd imagine the platform's dead by the time flag is done now, no?

[alpine wraith]

sometimes before the second sec tech

if you dont have autumn

tragic situations

[limpid sage]

I killed it first time this wednesday and I had my entire burst for it

but I also play in a very low wr guild, so our dmg numbers prob aren't the same xd

[fleet wharf]

I mean I did that even before turboboost, but yea, I think it's really awk to try to optimize platform burst

[limpid sage]

I have no clue if these numbers are normal or on the lower side - but we got to the "self-destruct" part sometimes even

[lean arch]

how do I stop getting energy issues on soul hunters fight?

[limpid sage]

you stop playing sub rogue

[lean arch]

oops this was suppossed to be in assa channel lmao

[limpid sage]

makes sense xd

[fleet wharf]

you just gotta learn to appreciate the backstab soup

[limpid sage]

esp with midnight coming up ye

[fleet wharf]

well kind of. But Guy's point about how 97% of our damage comes from finishers and we do 1600% damage during cds kind of made it clear that you can literally fuck off for 30 sec without losing much

[limpid sage]

ye except we need the cooldown reduction

which makes it a little awkward

[fleet wharf]

well on that point, we won't in midnight lol

[limpid sage]

true, until they give it back with our 4p anyway

[fleet wharf]

it's kind of weird how they decided what cdr was inappropriate and which ones are fine

[scenic plover]

is there some kind of faster opener to do in short damage phases?

even if i have my cds ready when p3 dimmy starts i dont get my second sectech in the amp

[alpine wraith]

ideally you have 14sht and coup ready and full cp

so you step flag rupture

then dance strike sec tech coup coup

then should have sec tech ready just in time

[short radish]

max CP -> step -> flag ->

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Symbols of Death
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Unyielding Netherprism
/use Tempered Potion
/cast Secret Technique

[scenic plover]

14sht??

so you are basically saying i would need coup ready and just do rota faster

currently i do the sectech before the blades and have to wait for the global before sectech

[alpine wraith]

you also need some sht otherwise you dont get enough refunds but also

i dont know how many you need

[fossil forge]

Backstab souping quick luh calm break

[short radish]

you just auto attack on pargoth after the gate

since your damage is kinda whatever out of dance

[tribal blade]

interesting looks like since i stopped pushing arcane has been falling out of favor

is it literally a raid buff thing, i always thought arcane was kind of a wonky fit because they didn't buff anyone besides the healer really

and they don't benefit from shout

[dawn summit]

havoc's funnel is better and its uncapped is waaayyy better

[tribal blade]

very very true

havoc goes crazy in ara

any big pull havoc is unstoppable

[scarlet oyster]

most of the top players plays CB+the rotten, and they don't do backstab after SD unless it's single target

i've seen some chinese players always do a SS after symbol to proc FW on everything, they do a lot of damages like this

[hard plaza]

Is the cold blood bug fixed yet? (The one which broke cb macros when switching specs)

[tribal blade]

tea is for sure more popular

[ivory vigil]

only broken after switching from fatebound assa to sub no? relogging should work, also switching fateboundassa-deathstalkerassa-sub

[hard plaza]

Yeah only from fatebound but then again why would you play ds in any case, aoe/cleave kinda sub angle

Unlucky I guess, gotta keep relogging

[ivory vigil]

i mean I only have DS so i can switch from fatebound and then to sub

don't need to relog

at least I did it like that when I played CB, now I play tea

[last gate]

sub gonna be dead in midnight?

or should i still have hope?

[gleaming geyser]

i am wondering the same

[fossil forge]

Oneshot their funnel to assert dominance

[olive jacinth]

Do heroic bosses drop gilded crests?

or only the last 2 like last season

[keen dome]

The final two do.

[olive jacinth]

aaaaaaaah k ty:)

[tribal blade]

way too early to tell, there are confirmed many more changes coming for sub

so there's no reason to doom yet

[tribal blade]

i would 1 shot their funnel with our funnel combo OH WAIT

[void ocean]

nonsense, theres always reason to doom

[tribal blade]

true, this is the sub way

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/serious-face-bruce-wayne-robert-pattinson-the-batman-serious-look-gif-23486269

[steel zinc]

Yeah dead reroll now game is finished all talents are in tuning is final

[last gate]

sin looks fun tbh

dumbly fun :3

[steel zinc]

You should look at alpha and beta like a different version

Like classic wow or sod

[tribal blade]

yeah alpha is still very early

[steel zinc]

It has nothing to do with anything on live

Drawing any conclusion right now is either ragebait or plain stupid

[tribal blade]

we have actual no reason to doom this time because for once they let us know they have things in the pipe

[fossil forge]

Lucky me i made like 9 rogues on remix

Can try everything

[steel zinc]

It's a game do w/e makes you have fun and relax

So if playing 99 rogues is your jam do it

[fossil forge]

me and th,, squad made hunters we are ready to male oblock when housing comes

https://tenor.com/view/king-von-nba-youngboy-oblock-gif-23646663

Average housing experience

[tribal blade]

i joined a key today with 4 dhs

and they were memeing on me and saying how they'd carry me

[oak grotto]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[tribal blade]

and then i ended up topping dps by a fuckton

ended the dungeon at 100 mil

beat the 2nd highest by 30 mil

🙂

[fossil forge]

Zamn

I didnt even play remix much

I just parked all characters while my friend was farming power

Free xp

[tribal blade]

haha nice

i'm not going that hard on this remix compared to mop

if i was i would just live in keys

there's 0 shot i'm gonna do that

[fossil forge]

i wanna push but the whole squad is playing fellowship

https://tenor.com/view/imperador-paulo-rangel-ataraxia-gif-16962851851027120796

[tribal blade]

i wouldn't call it "pushing" tbh

it's kind of a meme

[fossil forge]

I mean on retail gang

[tribal blade]

OH right

[fossil forge]

I still have priory and flood on 15

while other keys are 17 18

[tribal blade]

i stopped pushing a few weeks ago and this was my IO

would prob be working on 19 resil right now if i didn't stop

priory still blows sadly

this goes super hard in priory for 1st boss kicks

that boss is an absolute nightmare with no kick caller or ERT note

[last gate]

same

I EVEN MADE A DWARF ROGUE xd

he looks soo dumb

[limpid sage]

you guys know if details is bugged right now?

my dmg breakdown was super cursed last dungeon despite not pressing anything diff

[jovial helm]

whats the catch between cold blood vs thistle tea in m+? they sim like 0.3% apart which is negligible

[alpine wraith]

tea does more aoe cb more st

[jovial helm]

0.3% apart in st

and its divided like 50/50 among the top rogues

[opaque snow]

tbh i feel the same way

I tried to push yesterday

i got in a group

then i just logged out

🤷‍♂️

[tribal blade]

yeah i don't have the same tolerance for degen gameplay like i used to

[ivory vigil]

that comes with age

[tribal blade]

if i was good enough to just push at the end and make title i would prob do that

[ivory vigil]

age goes up, free time and tolerance go down

[tribal blade]

and had a group to run with

but i don't have either of those lol

[tribal blade]

t r u e

[alpine wraith]

true i havent done another 70h game marathon i years

[fleet acorn]

Why cant I see the m+ loot anymore After I finished run /loot is empty

[ivory vigil]

when legion came I played from 3:30 am to 22:00 pm the first day, now I play that much in a month

[opaque snow]

its not with age

its the realization that

its not fun

[random hare]

we didnt use any of those

its just the overall skill of the group that matters

[tribal blade]

oh yeah for sure

[random hare]

we kinda did assign kicks tho for some dungeons

that were like giga kick heavy

[tribal blade]

but doing that boss with not the greatest players

was so sus

[alpine wraith]

shaman heal pala tank angle