subtlety

[chilly sage]

what tricks addon are u guys using?

[shadow lance]

Yes, use your crest now, that's what I mean

[lilac stag]

no

you save the lwoer ones

you're capped this week

justs

stop

[charred kestrel]

Smart misdirect WA

[shadow lance]

USE YOUR GILDED CREST NOW

OMFG

[shadow lance]

Yes

The 21st

Do what I said

Okay, I got the point

[lilac stag]

like a dull knife lol

[shadow lance]

I thought you were speaking about the 21st

So I was not getting why save for the 21

Got it now

[lilac stag]

[shadow lance]

[lilac stag]

but if you could save this week 90 (or 60) because the upgrades were minimal, you'll get a bigger boost upping the big ticket itmes than say if you upgraded idk gloves and belt

on the 21st none of it will matter

fury warrior with 90 crests banked on reset

[shadow lance]

I was not considering alts

That are maybe starving crest

[lilac stag]

new main lol

[shadow lance]

Damn

[lilac stag]

because warriors dont exist

[shadow lance]

5.7 M ST?

[lilac stag]

mmhm

[shadow lance]

I'm also just weeklying the rogue now

Trying to play dh atm

[plush roost]

Scarrend 702 8llvl beaten 717 players

Rogue may be retired

[shadow lance]

Yep, time for a rogue break

Only for doing our slow progress

[plush roost]

I mean ,i lowkey think sub can take bms spot

U just wont have a druid

[shadow lance]

Only spot I'll play it is in guild

Never gonna pug a key with rogue anymore

I'm too low rio to play with good people

[plush roost]

Smodge

[shadow lance]

Or with people that want a rogue in their gorup

[lilac stag]

i think I've gone the way of the wild Ronkley

i keep ending up on warrior. should just swap lol

[tropic nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[plush roost]

Zugzug

[lilac stag]

speed shroud every 30 seconds minus the shourd part lol

we'll see whatever is fun come beta

maybe we are all outlaw enjoyers

[shadow lance]

Tbh, I enjoy outlaw

Just cba old KS

And cba stupid rules

"Press X if Y CP but if you go Z buff, you press X if <YCP IF you got 1/2 point in this talent"

I miss the simple BFA gmaeplay

[plush roost]

Alpha outlaw seems quite simple

[shadow lance]

I didn't check

[plush roost]

So youre probably in luck

[shadow lance]

But Might play it if it's the case

[plush roost]

Youre pretty much always in snc and broadside with rtb and no more crackshot

Idek if ks is worth it

[shadow lance]

I saw assa changes, give me way more envy to play it

[plush roost]

Yeah assa looks very promising if the numbers are there

[shadow lance]

I'm just a bit afraid for Sub

About CD's flexibility

[fierce finch]

Anywhere i can check why my overalls are so shite in the keys im doing as sub? I know prism helps out a lot and shit but idk if its that big not having it

[shadow lance]

It's big not having it

But share logs and someone gonna check

with the command ! logs

[fierce finch]

Ill make sure to record them on the next keys i do, dont have any currently

[lilac stag]

You’re not using CDs enough. Youre not getting 8 globals in dance. You’re not using black powder enough. Your gear is shiet.

[limpid sage]

That’d be because all the good players play in teams now

Puggers quit for the season

I have no data to back this up, but I stand by it

[bleak night]

[karmic harbor]

I pugged to resi 17

but getting into 18s is a myth i guess

and when i push my own key idk how these people got past 14

[late pasture]

everyone says "do your own keys" but it's actually impossible

when other people do their own keys it's fine

but when I do it we're doomed from the jump

[tepid trellis]

get better at picking people ong

[late pasture]

fair point

[fierce finch]

Wait shoulkd i be using BP?

[late pasture]

4+ targets iirc

[karmic harbor]

!aoe

[wicked jolt]

General Gist of the Aoe rotation

• At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
• At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
• Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).

[fierce finch]

That explains a lot

[willow mantle]

do you guys press BP on forgeweaver on the add drops

[late pasture]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[karmic harbor]

i dont

[late pasture]

is the tier set not applying unseen blades a bug or intended?

[late pasture]

i was doing it but a friend told me not to bother, also while juggling between if i should shadowstrike into bp, or shuriken into coup, or shuriken into bp the adds are dead already xd

[hidden jetty]

Guys can anyone point me at that WA that plays a sound before you're about to get combo points refund?

[late pasture]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[shadow lance]

Based

[iron plover]

Pugged to resi 15 by week 4 and barely touched keystones since

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/mental-health-walk-mental-health-walk-grimes-gif-15619509514588112855

[iron plover]

Failing 8 priory 15s in a row before finally getting it was the last straw

[shadow lance]

We played a bit on tournament realm , it's insane how it's easy to time 18+ as group and struggle with pug

Okay, tournament stuff maybe help a lot

[limpid sage]

yup same experience

and I don't find the "refresh button" minigame very fun

[shadow lance]

Maybe give rogue a real utility

would help reduce the refresh minigame

[karmic harbor]

let us use smoke bomb in pve

[shadow lance]

It would be soooooo cool

[glad rampart]

1fuu

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shrewd lantern]

doesnt help the fact all good players play in teams

always been this way

[karmic harbor]

hmm idk about that, i dont play in a team

there are good pugs out there... i just have to find them

and then maybe we play together a lot...

[shrewd lantern]

not really no

[karmic harbor]

perhaps create a schedule

[shrewd lantern]

because why pug if you’re good

[karmic harbor]

some people dont like playing at set times

but ig idk what you mean by good

[shrewd lantern]

except you still have to

if you want to play with people you know are good

else its a rigged diceroll

every time

[karmic harbor]

yeah, i have a gambling addiction

[shadow lance]

You sounds like my GM

[shrewd lantern]

I dont trust anyone without raid prog

to be good tbh

[minor sorrel]

and lust you get via shammy heal?

[shrewd lantern]

even the highest title players usually raid

[karmic harbor]

i think m+ is harder than raid

but it's an ok signifier

[shrewd lantern]

i meant logs

if your logs all green yikes

[minor sorrel]

my advice add people from those good pugs, but talk to them obviously.

[shrewd lantern]

well his idea is he doesnt like set schedules

[shadow lance]

I think it's not the same difficulty

[shrewd lantern]

if you set a time with those people its not entirely play whenever

tbf

[minor sorrel]

just having them in fl to hit them up can be worth it

[shrewd lantern]

might work with some people haha

i hate out the moment asks for anything important

[low tusk]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[shrewd lantern]

sometimes i miss being a teenager

and having infinite free time

to do that

[minor sorrel]

the first point still gets me when playing sub tbh. 20 sec is sooo looong

[shadow lance]

20 sec where you can take a sip of your fresh white monster

[analog granite]

What is "augmented crafted gear"?

[shadow lance]

8/8MM instead of 6/6 MM

And you can craft 726 instead of 720

[analog granite]

Ah okay, the way it was phrased I thought it was separate from that

[shadow lance]

Need to buy a additonnal reagent and recraft your gear to have it 726

[minor sorrel]

i prefer mango but yea ^^

[analog granite]

So the coup optimization states that you hold coup (so no evis) for up to 20 seconds and stop using finishers 10 seconds before flag comes up. You can't use evis so does this mean you will use black powder as a finisher on ST for those 10 seconds?

If rupture is already applied

[hazy breach]

No

[analog granite]

So basically it's not using finishers for 20 seconds then apart from rupture

[shadow lance]

Yes

You sit at max cp, stacking your sht stacks

Before sending the thunder

[analog granite]

That just makes me believe the rogue dev is a stoner who wants to take bong hits in the middle of raid

[hazy breach]

Idk its not like youre casting much less spells

[shadow lance]

You prolly right

[hazy breach]

Those 20 seconds are like 8 globals, if you dont do any finishers its like 7 instead

Doesnt really matter much

[analog granite]

And you only do it with 4-set I guess

[shadow lance]

Yep

[hazy breach]

Yeah but everybody should have 4p by now

We have enough catalyst charges for it

[analog granite]

I'm still gearing my rogue I don't even have 2 set

[hazy breach]

Just send catalysts

[analog granite]

Maybe it's worth to use charges on champion gear then?

[hazy breach]

Ofc

[shadow lance]

You gearing through openworld or what?

Send your catalysts

[analog granite]

Yeah idk people kept telling me to only use it on hero track but I guess it's relative at lower ilvl

[distant sage]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[shadow lance]

Doesn't matter right now

[hazy breach]

When you only have 2 or so charges thats solid

[shadow lance]

How many charges we got? 4?5?

[hazy breach]

You can also loot more after reset

[lilac stag]

4 natty. 5 with 2k aotc

Reset is +1

[hazy breach]

Patch allows them to drop

iirc

[lilac stag]

I think you’re right.

Too bad they don’t drop in remix

[analog granite]

Ah well I still have a season 1 headpiece

Fk

[lilac stag]

buy the delve one

like 600g

[analog granite]

Wait what

Where do I buy that from

[lilac stag]

The murloc in the delve area

[analog granite]

Ah I still need to finish delvers journey I see , but thx for the tip

[versed swift]

Does it still cap at 8 total or ?

[hazy breach]

Idk, just send

[lilac stag]

Skipping best content in game.

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[analog granite]

Delves?

I enjoy them but I'm not a fan of farming coffer keys to gear

[lilac stag]

You’d have a helm if you did em.

[bleak night]

honestly get rid of radiant echoes and just add more keys to the weeklies

i havent stepped foot in an echo since the start of the expansion and i only did it then for achievments that i gave up on

what a shit system

[lilac stag]

I’m curious if anyone enjoys them

Just seemed like random kill what spawns

[graceful osprey]

Good luck on vault!
Blizzard please give me a vers/mastery ring

[lilac stag]

It’s sitting on the AH

[analog granite]

I did them until I ran out of coffer keys

And I think the worldsoul memories are fking boring

[graceful osprey]

I almost bit the bullet and bought a vers/mastery ring for 400k
I talked myself out of it telling myself that the vault would give me a mythic ring

[storm field]

you always trinket before first secret technique right?

with prism / forge

[hazy breach]

Yes

[limber sandal]

Do you gotta stealth a lot in legion?

[split stirrup]

assuming coup is ready and so is dance/symbols/st. whats the sequencing of spells supposed to look like when im at max CP? do i dance symbols before coup?

[jolly sleet]

will sub be good in legion remix ? 👀

[vale pine]

probably decent

[jolly sleet]

cool 🙂 It's gonna be my first char I guess

[errant ferry]

Can always find some advantages with stealth, but if you want to solo world farm resources my gut tells me boomkin is going to be the best. That said, I’m still roguing

[sinful depot]

!defensives

!defensive

Any know where that spreadsheet is at

[jolly sleet]

i was in a mood of subtly assassinating every demon on my path so I naturally thought about playing sub

[analog granite]

What UI do you guys use? I fked mine up so I'm looking at different elvui plugins but there's a lot of them

[jolly sleet]

atm i'm maining evoker and i'm using a barebone UI using most of what is available on blizzard side : since we can say gbye to most of our useful addons next xpack i'm planning to leverage whats possible with the tools blizz give us, beginning with the cooldown assistant

the only addon here is sexymap bcz i cant stand basic minimap

[analog granite]

I think that's the first time I've ever seen a minimap in that position

Looks pretty cool apart from that tho

[karmic harbor]

i keep forgetting to get a weakaura that removes the minimap and objective tracker

[jolly sleet]

i'm using a custom script that hides my playerframe, targetframe and main action bar there tho

I thought about removing the obj tracker with it as well but its useful in M+ 😒

[opaque valve]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange chasm]

@hazy breach with WCL removing ad damage from forge. You think still delay cd on pull now?

or just max boss damage and send on pull

[warm marlin]

It’s only the p3 adds cuh

You still delay

[strange chasm]

Oh its not all the ads

[warm marlin]

Only the voidy boys at the end of the fight and the tank adds in intermission

Got removed

[strange chasm]

Bless

[left ledge]

most important thing is having your cds with 18 stacks of prism for the amp

so even if you send on pull you end up holding

so whats the point

[tepid trellis]

i dont use my prism for the amp

[left ledge]

what the hell you use it for

[tepid trellis]

padding

[left ledge]

yeah no way im doing that

these adds die before sectec can even hit them

love delayed damage

[tepid trellis]

just time it better

noob

[left ledge]

unlucky

[eternal abyss]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[plush roost]

I played for boss dps and parsed 80

But

I did 200m more boss dam then the next person

Whos the real winner

[tepid trellis]

well u dont really loose any boss dmg really by delaying dances for adds

so its like w/e

only thing would be to not prism at 2min in and hold it for the amp

[strange chasm]

and just use forge at 2 mins on a dance set ?

[tepid trellis]

it would be at like 2:20 so maybe the last set just before intermission

[wet robin]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[fierce briar]

@vale pine Typo in the WoWhead guide says rpoc not proc. This is on https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps#opener-st-explanation

[bleak night]

[fierce briar]

Looks like just below it does the same thing.

[vale pine]

will fix tomorrow

thanks

[chrome palm]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[topaz agate]

anyone around for log review

@tepid trellis @hazy breach uwu

[lilac stag]

Use !log someone will look at eventually

[slate lantern]

pinging them for a log review is craaaaaaazyyyyyy

[topaz agate]

i hate all the new people in these channels ong

!log

[alpine wraith]

dont worry fam we gotchu

[topaz agate]

❤️

[slate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[fleet acorn]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[lilac stag]

Many yellow names. Reds have stayed clear.

[warm marlin]

What color am I to you scath

[lilac stag]

Purple

[warm marlin]

[swift tinsel]

single myth vault slot, antenna unlocked

vault luck aging like a fine wine

[lilac stag]

but maybe more light blue since mage now

[lofty path]

god is good

[cedar willow]

is DISC nerfed yet?

[upbeat sorrel]

yup

[crystal bone]

i believe it got nerfed today

[upbeat sorrel]

20% less strong

[crystal bone]

question is, is it nerfed in sims?

[mild brook]

Does anyone have the string for the nerfed belt in sims? unsure if its live yet

[fallow nimbus]

Why is the boe crit mast belt summing 4k less than the nexus dude one?

[wheat sentinel]

ok sub's gonna be insane for speedrunning once we can one shot in remix

still has the thing where you don't drop stealth if shadowstrike instakills

[worthy pulsar]

astral antenna mythic dropped in vault. is this trinket really good or not as good in actual use?

[tidal marsh]

I mean, depends what miss chance you sim it at

It is good though

[worthy pulsar]

sim wise its an upgrade. but just wondering about the orb collecting stuff

feeling that it might sim higher than it should?

[upbeat sorrel]

some fights its hard to get orbs

with a lot of movement like last 2 raid bosses

[tight monolith]

what? 4 k is within margin of error

[thorny moss]

stop dying to beams getting your orbs though

[tidal marsh]

MUH ORBS

[clever delta]

i can send my crest for almost 4% upgrade tommorow 😄 if i stop playing my normal forge kek

but i feel like non forge gaming is not viable still

[alpine wraith]

yea i dropped normal forge on nexus

also likely a chest upgrade is more dps than antenna

or pants

for me it goes wep>prism>chest>pants>head>antenna

[clever delta]

idk how to even play game withnout forge 😄

no way this guys is R1 on nexus with antena

he had to cook something insane

[void ocean]

prism is everything

[clever delta]

@warm marlin is it you again

mf

[alpine wraith]

not really antenna is good

[void ocean]

we r prism and prism is us

[alpine wraith]

gives more dmg p1 and on amp

if platform dmg is whatever forge is nothing crazy

[void ocean]

which boss r we talkin bout

[alpine wraith]

nexus

[void ocean]

oh

[hazy breach]

Yes that is ryldd

[void ocean]

thats still ahead

like 2 weeks ahead

[clever delta]

like look he beat PI rogue

😄

[void ocean]

wtf

4 PI sub rogue

[alpine wraith]

that is autumn

not pi

[hazy breach]

Its both

[alpine wraith]

or is it also pi?

[void ocean]

he must've been guild master

[clever delta]

one or two is auttumn but atleast 2 is Pi

[alpine wraith]

ah yea

[clever delta]

i would invilide that log for sure

😄

[void ocean]

eh what is autumn

[rigid perch]

pal heal buff

[warm marlin]

[clever delta]

why is your log not on loggrs

when its this old

[hazy breach]

We missed a set of starkillers when i was at 8.2M at 6:45

Wouldve been slightly higher than yours, but it doesnt matter anyway now turbo boost gonna amp everybody to the moon

[clever delta]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/nexusking-salhadaar

not there sus

[hazy breach]

Autumn even better now as adds will die too early

[warm marlin]

not if you hold like a demon

[hazy breach]

Fair enough

[clever delta]

what did you hold

i wanted checked how did you play on lorrgs

[hazy breach]

He pretended to have autumn

By just not casting his second flag

[warm marlin]

lmao i just didnt cast at 90s

its better autumn

noobs have to hold 4s longer than me

[clever delta]

https://tenor.com/view/grandma-selfie-photographer-failure-error-gif-5841332344763791640

[hazy breach]

Truetrue

[warm marlin]

it was actually so troll though

adds lived so long anyway

could have just sent

[clever delta]

eleem not on loggrs either

is it broken

[hazy breach]

Im already mentally preparing for another week of my vault being like this

https://tenor.com/view/geladeira-gif-15096243982773393017

No prism

[clever delta]

antena abusers getting filtered out

[limpid sage]

I didn't even max it out this week

forge gaming is coming soon

[clever delta]

ohh ryldd did not send 1:30

make sense now

[wicked urchin]

any string for simming belt rn? doesn't seem like its changed

[chrome tide]

How do you go about using the Unyielding Netherprism? Do you just treat it as if it is a 1:30 CD and use it each time you use Blades and Flag regardless of stacks or do you always let it hit max stacks and then use it the next time you use your CDs?

[dusk stone]

depends, if its double on use you send it at 18, if its passive + prism sending at either 9 or 18 is fine but it ends up being pull dependent in some ways too. Like if you're on a small pull where only flag is needed, you can save 9 more stacks and unload the 18 on the big pack

[quick swan]

This is sad, we were already blasting ours and now I feel like Ill get horrible usage as we have no Autumn

[tribal blade]

ok guys do i take hero forge from vault to replace 723 antenna

while progging last 2. bosses

[upbeat sorrel]

What else is in the vault

[short radish]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[tribal blade]

basically nothing

i took it already

[short radish]

could have taken a spark instead!

i think having the forge is good for flexibility

that being said with how mch holding is happening

antenna might be more worth

[twin quartz]

Just had someone in my guild recraft an upgraded turboboost level weapon and it’s not giving them stats

[short radish]

yeah

its bugged

L

[twin quartz]

I think there’s gonna be an imminent post about it everywhere

[short radish]

ppl say once you leave dorn

its okay

[twin quartz]

I’ll have them try it out

[graceful osprey]

Sub is saved, I got a mythic vers/mastery ring from vault

[wispy crystal]

this talent is bugged and applies a raidwide effect to the boss where it cant parry?

someone correct me if i am wrong please

bugged in a good way

[hazy breach]

Used to be, not anymore

[wispy crystal]

ahhh ok, damn thought it was still around

[hoary lotus]

I have double on use now

When do I send prism

[twin quartz]

Yeah, they queued a follower dungeon and the recrafted weapon fixed itself

[hazy breach]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[hoary lotus]

Is araz or other amps different?

[unkempt drum]

I've got the tier shoulders and that same headpiece at hero level right now, I'm thinking shoulder swap and catalyze the head to reduce haste? Straight upgrade of the headpiece is a slightly smaller upgrade, but still sizable

[near stratus]

is flag no longer resetting on death

between pulls

[hazy breach]

Never did

[dusk stone]

710 myth belt is better than delve belt atm?

[left ledge]

abilities that are under 2 min do not reset (WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ABILITIES THAT USED TO BE 2 MINS+)

blades is part of that exception

[plush roost]

Another day

Another mythic prism evading me

2 more weeks for dinars

Xd

[strange chasm]

my goodness 4:38 kill timer on plexus

so insanely bad

[plush roost]

Im deliberating between playing forge antenna or assa this week

Since all these kill timers have been 430s

[warm marlin]

more fire kill times indeed

[slate lantern]

Delve belt sux

[warm marlin]

sub is gonna go crazy mode in a few weeks though

once we get out of this dreadful pit

[strange chasm]

ye 3:30 would go hard

[warm marlin]

4min is salvagable

430 is just cursed

[swift tinsel]

if I'm gonna swap between sub and sin tonight and I'm logging do I have to /combatlog every time I relog to fix the cb bug?

or does that persist unless I close the game

[warm marlin]

its not a log bug

your spell should be uncastable in game no

or do you mean you're asking about logging itself

[swift tinsel]

I know, I mean to fix the cb bug does logging out and back in on my rogue do anything to turn of combat logging

[dusk stone]

you can use simple combat logger

it starts and closes every fight

not sure if it works the same for raid but its great for keys

[graceful crown]

is that a typo?

gloomblade awards 7 combo points?

in midnight

[swift tinsel]

holy buffs

shoulda put that on the bingo card

[bleak night]

[tidal beacon]

do we know if the disc nerfs are included in raidbots

[umbral fulcrum]

do we have any idea what the new timings are on dimensius?

[tribal blade]

hrm even though i finally have forge i might not use it on salarbar today

we're so close to a kill and i have all my prog using prism+antenna

so likely i bork trinket usage

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin they fixed havoc prepull shenanigans. Have you been in raid on rogue?

[warm marlin]

yes

and no they did not fix prepull sub stuff

i retain my unseen blade cheese

[lilac stag]

ty

kek the cloak thinks its rank 1

[fallen depot]

whats that? lol

[warm marlin]

!cheese

[wicked jolt]

Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.

• Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
  NOT Recommended - Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully.
• Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
  Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than 1% damage gain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.

[warm marlin]

second one

[fallen depot]

ah

[languid moss]

guys is details tracking the right damage to coup?

[chrome palm]

i wanna scratch my eyes out on double on use

with these timings

it so bad

[river cargo]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

i have tech

i think

hold the second flag for 2mins and prism 330 maybe

im not sure if its just better than forge prism prism

but it seems okay

idk cope that i can counterplay the kill time

[lilac stag]

@warm marlin rent-a-warrior stonks 📈

[warm marlin]

im inting this reclear a bit

[chrome palm]

seems like it might be ok

[warm marlin]

i havent slept it so long

[chrome palm]

with how bad timings are

you just never get full prism value this fast

[warm marlin]

it makes me feel like im recouping some value

getting an extra forge in

[lucid jackal]

Guys I'm goatewd

[short radish]

no youre guy

[hazy breach]

4:30 is forge+antenna

So is 2:30

[short radish]

gz though

[swift tinsel]

did first boss break for anyone else

[lilac stag]

nope

[swift tinsel]

it just stopped doing mechanics from 80%-40%

turned into a jumbo target dummy

[upbeat sorrel]

do i need to be in dance for the 2nd part of sectech

to be optimizing sectech

[boreal breach]

guys idk what to pick im returning player with shit gear but i know these 2 are bis, i just plan on doing M+ and some heroic raid, which should i go for

[warm marlin]

boss damage man

hunter who

[gleaming plank]

!crit

[fleet wharf]

take prism

[gleaming plank]

!stats

[wicked jolt]

The following is a general recommendation, but you will always get more accurate results through simming your gear through Top Gear.
Mastery >= Versatility >= Critical Strike >>> Haste

[boreal breach]

ty, will do

just macro into shadowblades? or windows outside of sblades to use in M+?

[fleet wharf]

you shouldn't bind it to shadowblades theoretically, but if you don't care about minmaxxing too much, that's the button you'd bind it to

18 stacks of prism is really strong so you ideally want to play around it in both raids and m+

[upbeat sorrel]

check out

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[boreal breach]

ok thank youvery much for that

[boreal breach]

oh mb, didnt know, ty!

[upbeat sorrel]

np

[half knoll]

lvling sub so painful wtf

[visual widget]

hey guys had a question regarding rupture. the tooltip doesnt mention anything about spreading among multiple mobs but I know there's some kind of application there, how exactly does that work? and in a situation where like you have it on one mob and it dies, is it worth reapplying to another mob or just continuing with the aoe rotation?

[upbeat sorrel]

there's a talent that spreads rupture to nearby targets

[tribal blade]

have your guildies discovered the tech to put massive icons in chat bubbles yet

[warm marlin]

its so content

i love it

[tribal blade]

also revel in my omega cursed set up

taking donations at the link below

[boreal breach]

guys I cant macro cold blood anymore?

[tribal blade]

where diseased baby bear

[warm marlin]

too busy spamming the pig

[boreal breach]

2 is cold blood in a macro, 3 is just cold blood from spell book idk why it wont work anymore

[tribal blade]

my RL just had to ban it because we had people spamming it on wipes

[boreal breach]

even this macro wont work?

[warm marlin]

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[warm marlin]

Wait

!cbbug

[wicked jolt]

Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:

• Relogging.
  You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <

[warm marlin]

That one

[boreal breach]

oh ok lol thanks

thought I was going insane

[quick swan]

Tfw 707 myth belt still worse than delve belt

[cunning anvil]

guys, can anybody help me out?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qwgtKfvJD31T8HxR/?fight=7&source=139

idk what i'm doing wrong

wowanalzyer said i had horrible use of shadowblades, however i used SB with flag, dance and symbols every single time

[native zodiac]

you are not using 2 dances with your blades/flags

[cunning anvil]

i'm not sure what it's reading and i'm not sure wha ti should be doing differently

[native zodiac]

you also shouldnt use cb on the first secret technique in cds, use it on the 2nd

also not having an on use trinket is a big dps loss

[cunning anvil]

what's CB?

[native zodiac]

cold blood

[cunning anvil]

ah

[cunning anvil]

yeah... havent had luck with prism or forge all season

both are used with SB, correct?

[native zodiac]

i wouldnt worry about forge unless you have prism

prism/lily should be your main focus

[swift tinsel]

what is this sorcery I must learn it to troll endlessly

[cunning anvil]

Trinkets:
First slot: 90/120 sec on use (Netherprism/Forge/Lily)
Second slot: Passive (Antenna/Sigil/Pacemaker)

should i keep both on use or an active/passive?

[native zodiac]

the robot is the best person to ask for that, just sim

usually prism/antenna is just as good as forge/prism though

just sometimes the fight favours either one of them

[white tapir]

for sub rogue, what is the priority for rupture in both raid and m+

[chrome palm]

rupture on all targets that will live most of its duration as a higher priority than evis/bp, but only while outside of dance

[haughty rose]

so are you all playing sub for remix or something else?

[visual widget]

paladin so I can solo stuff

[fossil forge]

nahh

[haughty rose]

bruh i just spent 30 minutes (during work time) looking at the character creation screen because i can't fucking decide what to play lmao

[short radish]

just play rogue and then log off in 10 minutes after you remember how shit it to level a rogue, then make a ret paladin

[frozen lichen]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty rose]

sounds reasonable actually but i swore i never play anything holy lol

[short radish]

its remix who cares

[fossil forge]

If u play pal ur dick falls off

I heard

[shrewd lantern]

literally just level what you want more max levels of on live

doesnt matter

[haughty rose]

that's what i heared too

and i'm too afraid to test it if it's true

[short aurora]

!cb

[wicked jolt]

• Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
  When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
  (yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.

[haughty mural]

Is the disc belt nerf implemented in latest ?

[limpid sage]

dinars are today right?

or did I miss something

[deep pivot]

Were supposed to be, but don't seem to be there

Crests still capped too

[limpid sage]

crests are supposed to be capped ye

[fossil forge]

Dinars arent comming for the next 2 weeks

Or sumn

crests will come with dinars later

[haughty mural]

No they are supposed to be on the 21st

[haughty rose]

why did they increase gear upgrades already then? makes little sense imo

[haughty mural]

tosay is just ilvl increase

[limpid sage]

idk where I read that dinars would drop now as well

prob the google ai

[haughty mural]

8th is ilvl increase

followed by cap

followed by dinars

iirc

[limpid sage]

dinars and cap drops at the same time no?

[hard quail]

hey guys, can somebody tell me if netherprism is only with araz the strongest combination or does the sim nothing to the trinket combination?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bvWHbRETe86s6B7F4A94gx

[haughty mural]

that i am not sure of tbh

[limpid sage]

netherprism is our bis trinket if that's what you're asking

and it's not only with araz that it's the best

[barren haven]

We partial use runed matrix for upgrading crafted Gear and gilded for stronger Mythic Tracks, dont we?

[alpine wraith]

first you will upgrade weapon and prism then main slots like helmet and pants that have good stats

then chest

then depends afterwards

[barren haven]

ye, weapon and trinkets are no question - true. should've mentioned that.

i mean like non-embellished crafts to 723 with runed and off set pieces (like boots) to 727/730 with gilded should've have a higher overall outcome (since higher ilvl overall) then just boosting non-embellished crafts to 727, no?

i guess i just sim it and dig the rabbit hole

[weak bridge]

login to lemix
cant play dfa

[chrome palm]

many such cases

you can still

[cloud rover]

Worst thing, Login to Lemix, still target capped

[vale pine]

lol ^^

[dusk stone]

so what do you do if you have only 1 crafted item and the rest is myth?

for embellishments

[fossil forge]

Embelishments are so bad its very low% loss no

[alpine wraith]

they are still decent but nothing huge

like barding+ascencion is good mainly because you use the off slots that dont have much power anyway

offhand and wrist

i did craft shoulders but that was because i had shit luck

[topaz agate]

what am i taking for sub

fug it has to be antenna i think

to replace my soleah

[alpine wraith]

antenna is very good overall if you dont have it

[topaz agate]

well i robbed the bank this reset

2x antenna

1x void core

1x last mythic tier piece

[visual lark]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[thin sinew]

Love this is still a thing...

[candid raven]

Is the belt nerf not on simc? My other belts with higher ilvl still sim worse

[alpine wraith]

717 was a 40k dps upgrade for me on latest

so nerf is in

[candid raven]

I only have 704 and it's still 7k loss

[alpine wraith]

yea 704 is quite weak

you still want the belt

[candid raven]

I see

[visual lark]

do we slam prism on opener and then with sb?

[alpine wraith]

with shadowblades or every 2 shadowblades if it is your only on use

you can choose at 1:30 or at 3:0

[visual lark]

[candid raven]

What do I upgrade? Weapon and trinkets I assume?

[thin sinew]

sim?

[alpine wraith]

weapon>prism>main slots like pants and head>chest>everything else most of the time

trinkets are not always the best

[candid raven]

Has a mental breakdown over all the options I have

[alpine wraith]

for ex for me chest even being the worst main stat piece

is still more than +6 on antenna

and that is one of the better trinkets

[candid raven]

I have prism and forge. But I think forge doesn't even sim that high, but is probably better in practice

[alpine wraith]

forge sims very well if it is mythic

and even hc if you are at an hc level it is good with prism

now would i send gildeds into it depends

on your other gear

although tbh there is no reason to save gilded these last 3 weeks

they become uncapped anyway after

[candid raven]

I have basically all mythic except the dawnbreaker ring, the belt and the boots

[alpine wraith]

so yea weapon then prism then pants head

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aEPf5t5igrppVzp3PMHXC9

this are my upgrades this week

[candid raven]

I guess I'm gonna try those options and see if the sim can handle them

[dusk stone]

like do i keep a second piece crafted? literally all my stuff is myth slotted atm

[alpine wraith]

depends really embellishx2 should be more than 3 ilvl on each piece if they are on off hand and wrist

if it is shoulders might need to sim

i will come to that some day as i have another M dagger and loom shoulders now too

[candid raven]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o5DbXeiFYnwhyD93P9sLGS Actually simmed the forge slightly better

But with like a 2.5k difference, so yea

[onyx smelt]

Wasnt belt supposed to be nerfed today?

[karmic harbor]

should be nerfed

[onyx smelt]

is raidbots updated?

[alpine wraith]

it is but if you have a weak belt it is still fine

before you replaces it at like 723 and not even

so it seems around 714-710 depending on other gear

[onyx smelt]

Still need mythic to replace

[karmic harbor]

714

[onyx smelt]

ye

[rotund rock]

yo saw someone say upgrading wep with the matrix can bug it making it worse or smth anyone know if thats true or not

[onyx smelt]

worked for me

[rotund rock]

like the stats went up instead of down?

idk man maybe this guy was smokin something

lmfao

[onyx smelt]

idk what 720 has

[rotund rock]

isnt it supposed to be 727

or am i trippin

the guilded matrix

[onyx smelt]

i used the "free" matrix on OH

[rotund rock]

oh lol

i mean urs has 7 more stats than mine so i guess it works

[alpine wraith]

yea if you use the 30 matrix it goes to 726

or was it 727

[sand flax]

hey, does the BELT has been nerfed ?

[alpine wraith]

yes

[tribal blade]

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[sand flax]

Does raidbot adapted to the belt nerf ?

[warm goblet]

relogging should fix it

NA frens had this issue, I havent seen it on EU

most crafting is bugged anyways, cant fulfill a single order lol

[formal estuary]

all ST logs seem to suggest ritual forge is super BIS, but my sim prefers mythic track pacemaker over heroic ritual forge

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ejgDuDrC5cNWuuYhxNKNLB

How accurate is the sim with ritual forge and netherprism?

Maybe I'm too short on crit (8k)

[tranquil owl]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[fossil forge]

Sim gems and get cursed crit

(Simmed more for me same with crit gems)

[limber folio]

anyone on remix rn?

[alpine wraith]

people tell me it is laggy

[mystic bough]

Its laggy

Can't even accept the first quest.

[limber folio]

[tidal marsh]

Alt + F4 and wait 5 minutes

Only thing is

I couldn't accept the second quest either

just Alt + F4 and wait for every single quest

Time to fire some more QA staff I think

[native zodiac]

Id surprised if theres any QA staff left

[hoary bloom]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[vestal escarp]

game is fully broken lmaoooo

[vale pine]

there is a say

never play, on patch day

[vestal escarp]

too bad we have to raid

[magic ruin]

As Sub we sim lower than most specs, so when simming for loot in raid our raw value dps gain is lower then others at the same as our % damage gain is higher. Would it be right to judge by raw value or % increase?

Juding my raw value I'm falling behind for the contested trinkets and soul hunter boots

[ivory vigil]

I'm so happy I don't need to sim fight for loot. Objectively though, raw value helps the raid more.

[daring tusk]

Any reason most top rogue logs use Araz with prism rather Antenna? They sim the same for me but wondering if the sim is kinda bait compared to real fights

[runic trail]

Normally NA have beta tested by now

[void ocean]

Sometimes during heavy movement antenna can be a bit worse, I guess

Like Im thinking to swap to forge on Hunters

[daring tusk]

Yeah all i could think of too

[lilac stag]

Sorry EU. NA beta testing is on strike.

glhf

[void ocean]

Shadowstrike?

[tranquil gyro]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[cloud rover]

Well it syncs with many stuff really good

and better than antenna

Like on Salhadaar you have Forge for Add phase and Prism 18 stacks on DMG amp

which are the important phases

and on DImmy you have CDs every platform and dmg amp and it works also really well with Forge and Prism

and antenna spawn on Dimmy is kinda cursed

same kinda for salhadaar with soaks, souls and beams

[thin sinew]

NA need to be fired, just like Blizzard's QA staff were. useless

[winter ice]

Was passed over on SH boots twice for MW monks cause the api says it was better for them over my sims

[lilac stag]

12.0. Not yet.

[lilac stag]

Competitively speaking you can’t fudge the numbers. Our first mythic prism went to a dk. It’s arguably as good or better on them. We’re tuned incredibly low on ST and as adds get deleted quicker our overall numbers will go down.

[daring tusk]

Cheers, Appreciate the input! Already took myth chest this morning for last myth piece though so gonna justify that decision to myself

[vale pine]

well surprise

[runic trail]

Normally the people who aren't stuck in the office until 4pm beta test it for me

[lilac stag]

Normally we have a server to test on before 6 Eastern

[runic trail]

You could have tested after 6 eastern for me

[lilac stag]

sorry. Legion Remix

[true citrus]

Hey just got nether prsim.

Do i only use it @ 18 stacks

[tepid trellis]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[true citrus]

Ty Stealthi 🙂

[tidal salmon]

ummmmmm another bug? ummm 😄

[haughty mural]

?

Cloak?

[raven frost]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[plush roost]

Well tbh NA had a pretty stable launch so idk what happened to EU

Only thing we had was crafting bug, Tazavesh phasing people in m0, and some server lag

[lilac stag]

cloak looks like it's not activated if you hover over it. seems to be acting like a rank 1 version

[vital sage]

um, is there not a way to droptimizer profession, 726 ilvl

[plush roost]

Hi tetra

[lilac stag]

just add them in top gear

[vital sage]

Hi Charrend haha

[plush roost]

Cant droptimize prof gear, topgear angle

[vital sage]

word

[lilac stag]

you're likely better off spening guilded on the big upgrades and using the heroic crests on rings, neck or wrists

[vital sage]

thanks hoomies

word, i was thinking my two trinkets, unfortunately my alt rogue still has no mythic dagger. just going to wait and pray on reclear today

D:

[lilac stag]

so i did, wepoan, trinket, legs and chest on mine. send wrists and neck with heroic

[plush roost]

Our guild has had 2 antenna and 8 daggers

[lilac stag]

was best combo I could muster

[plush roost]

From loom

Xd

[vital sage]

damn

lol

[haughty mural]

Notlikethis

[plush roost]

Can u +6ilvl the hero track crafted pieces with runed?

Didnt think to check

[lilac stag]

they go to 723

small but worth it imo

um the actual heroic crafted i think are just a 3ilvl bump

[lethal gale]

How do your guys guilds handle the araz soaks? and how do i convince my RL i dont need to soak

[lilac stag]

you soak 2nd

[plush roost]

Ah so 713

Err

703

[void ocean]

i soaked all 3 😢

[plush roost]

My guild has melee soak first

[lilac stag]

gamer

[void ocean]

got 35 parse, i believe it was the maximum in mentioned circumstances

36*, pardon

[plush roost]

Cant u just step and step back, soaks are like 1min apart

[lilac stag]

you can but the timing is right with adds and cds

so it's sweaty

[void ocean]

u gonna lose at least one global even if u r like surgically precise

[plush roost]

Ah ye the third one is for sure

[lilac stag]

not accounting for the soak running way out further than needed either

[lethal gale]

yeah the timing is awful for 1st soak casue u hold till adds

[lilac stag]

you maybe better off full sending if first soak

[plush roost]

Wait why is first soak an issue

[void ocean]

cause its away from the boss

[plush roost]

Are people taking first soak to range???

Aintnoway

[lilac stag]

yes

itthewaymostdo

[lethal gale]

you soak on top of boss for 1st?

[plush roost]

K my guild is just on different tech ig

[void ocean]

then u gonna have again downtime till echo fcks off

[plush roost]

Nah u can drag boss asap

And lose no uptime or damage

The immunity doesnt activate till 2 seconds after spawn

[lethal gale]

hmm ok could be a strat we try

[plush roost]

I wouldnt change strats unless on farm

[lilac stag]

most guilds on prog arent going to do that

[plush roost]

But here lemme find a recording

[lilac stag]

and they also aren't going to change after first kill since it slows down reprog

if you're CE already you start fucking around with strats a bit

[wispy crystal]

I got my guild leader to swap me with a range DPS

[lethal gale]

just messaged my RL for this 😂

[wispy crystal]

I was losing so much DPS on first add spawn. Running to soak then stepping back in

All the adds dead

Or I miss so many globals

Then holding cooldowns for second add spawn is kinda fried

That's like 1min in by then

[lilac stag]

your dps already cooked if you dont time sectech proper. then it's a matter of playing cdr catchup based on soaks

[void ocean]

i just started bursting on pull

[plush roost]

Check out this clip! charrend streaming World of Warcraft! https://www.twitch.tv/charrend/clip/AuspiciousEnjoyableElephantBCWarrior-seHjcrnbTK1uQ--i

This what we did all of prog

[wispy crystal]

Hope you're okay bro

[leaden prairie]

Check out this clip! charrend streaming World of Warcraft!

[wispy crystal]

Lost alot of hair progressing

[lilac stag]

ye, i dont know why the strat became drag it out

above my paygrade

[plush roost]

Gimme a break im on mobile

[lilac stag]

i blame tackticks

[leaden prairie]

even on mobile i wouldnt get skill issued that hard buddy

[plush roost]

Is it skill or laziness

[leaden prairie]

could post with my fridge i wouldnt do that

[plush roost]

Hmmmge

[cloud rover]

even with his smart tv

[plush roost]

Tvs smarter than i am gg

[leaden prairie]

yuh ..

[karmic harbor]

since when was hall of fame not top 100

[plush roost]

K not everyone can be as smart as you. Like we get it, you coded the game to give u 5 buff more often smhmyheadmyhead

[karmic harbor]

or am i crazy

[plush roost]

Been 200 for a long while

Was 100 of each faction previously iirc

[leaden prairie]

when they changed hof to not be faction specific

[karmic harbor]

ic

makes sense

[cloud rover]

Bro really late to the party

[haughty mural]

Id be so mad if we would do that

(Im assigned to first soak)

[bleak night]

me when my guild was taking every single soak to range at first

thank fuck we fixed that

[lilac stag]

This was our last reclear so whatever now lol

[placid elk]

hero prism(got champ one) vs mythic belt with vers mastery vault

[ivory vigil]

hero prism at 717 looks fine vs 704 champ, but sim it I think

[lilac stag]

you can buy trinket in 2 weeks (i think that's when we get it) depending on what you're doing

def sim though

belt kinda huge now

but you can also craft

https://tenor.com/view/make-good-choices-make-good-choices-freaky-friday-gif-6060617

[short radish]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/you-ok-gif-16487216298258947285

[short radish]

WHY DO PEOPLE PANIC

WE STILL HAVE A MINUTE ON THE FIGHT

JUST DO THE FUCKING MECHANIC

AND WE KILL THE BOSS

[runic trail]

How many pulls you on so far?

[cloud rover]

You would think, people get used to it after several CEs

[short radish]

216

We were going so well

Like 40 pulls ahead of every other guild on our server at same %

Then we hit p3 and shit the bed

[short radish]

Ikr people just stress

They honestly need to play sub

Take hands off keyboard

Just chill for 10 seconds

[cloud rover]

Im playing sub

and Raidcalling

[short radish]

Absolute mad lad

How's calling during flag windows

[lilac stag]

you wouldnt have a raid team

[ivory vigil]

i forget to breathe and blink during cds as sub how are you raidcalling

[lilac stag]

spotify playlist

record it once, just put on repeat

[jagged adder]

is it a significant loss to have a sword/mace in OH as sub?

[lilac stag]

!oh

[wicked jolt]

Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.

[jagged adder]

ty

[lilac stag]

buy the visions dagger

[cloud rover]

Well i dont want to brag, but i got a highly contested 4 parse on Nexus-King

because i fucked up my CD management

[short radish]

still better than 3% of the population

[cloud rover]

but yeah Sub and raidcalling aint that nice

Sin was easier

[ivory vigil]

still better than 3% of the 0.01% that play mythic no?

even 0.01% is too high probably

[cloud rover]

nah mythic is like 1%

i think

of the population

[ivory vigil]

of all players? or all players that run some kind of raids. If the first then it's way higher than I thought

[cloud rover]

usually 1% of WoW Population kills the endboss

[short radish]

something like that i think

[cloud rover]

on mythic

Like 4% have the Gallywix achievment

[ivory vigil]

so 4% parse on mythic means you're better than 99.03% of all wow players

[cloud rover]

which is highly inflated

by boosts

[cloud rover]

Well it doesnt necessarly mean i play better, most of the time its the case that i have more time

[vale pine]

[cloud rover]

than others that dont play mythic

[ivory vigil]

also true

[cloud rover]

But tbf, cant really min max stuff while raidcalling and looking at my own feet

and when i fuck up my CDs its cursed anyways

[ivory vigil]

while playing one of the most complicated specs currently

[cloud rover]

I couldnt play outlaw like this

[lilac stag]

raidcalling from melee is cursed af

Finding a tank to raid call seems to be best. Followed by BM Hunter.

[cloud rover]

Our tank does it sometimes

depending on boss

our previous raidcaller is on healer duty atm as pres

so yeha

But on Salhadaar and Dimensius tank needs Mental Capacity to survive and positioning

[shadow lance]

I wonder how much is the average raid time per week for people having CE

[lilac stag]

we’re a 6 hour guild. Which equates to about 5 hours of pulls. Don’t think you’re gonna go much lower than that.

some guilds do 9 hours first month then drop down.

[cloud rover]

we have 7 Hours and three weeks 10 Hours

[cloud rover]

there was a 1 day raid guild

with 4 hours

[lilac stag]

RWF retirement home?

That seems cracked

[cloud rover]

it was a wr 700 guild or somehting?

Sideraid?

Yes Sideraid

We are at ~wr 400

with two days

[shadow lance]

I see more 5-6 raid per week guilds

Than 9 hours guilds

But yes, I was curious about the average

Prolly some data on warcraftlogs*

[lilac stag]

2 isn’t common. 3 likely the comfy average

[cloud rover]

3 is too much, outside of three dates in the tier

[lilac stag]

I agree

[cloud rover]

we do 1 extra day in the first week and 1 extra day the first two weeks of endboss prog

[shadow lance]

We doing 2 / weeks but we had a lot of reclear

[warm marlin]

Surely 2 is the majority outside of higher ranks

[strange chasm]

2 day 4 hr is the sweet spot

[warm marlin]

Like 1000-2500 is prob all 1-2 no?

[strange chasm]

Zero ot too

[shadow lance]

Prolly HOF are 3 or more

then you got 3-2 days

[astral axle]

the thought of raiding 3 nights and not being like hall of fame or someshit is intolerable. no way i'd do 3 for knuckledraggers like myself

[strange chasm]

Most hall of fame guilds 3-4 and then overtime

On top of that

[astral axle]

yeah just trying to imagine people who raid prog all tier 3 nights regularly

[cloud rover]

There are some wr 1000 guild with 3 days

[hazy breach]

The worse you are at wow the more you get to play really

[cloud rover]

Real und true

[leaden prairie]

true but false !