subtlety

[short radish]

especially for how little we bring

[limpid sage]

Doesn’t noxiv and banshers play with an outlaw

[short radish]

i dont know any of those names

[hollow spear]

Imagine if we had a real stop

[limpid sage]

Squishvegan?

[short radish]

yes vegans should be squished

whats your point?

[hollow spear]

I know zac

[limpid sage]

xd

[lilac stag]

Archon list creator confirmed rogue enjoyer.

[vale pine]

Think its just statistics

subtlety has a small palyerbase but performs over average

tbh i am surprised assassiantion is B, beause it was A last time i looked

[steel zinc]

Assa is so bugged

I won't play it until they fix it

[dry plank]

Assa is so ass a?

[short radish]

i won't play it even if they fix it

[vale pine]

isn't the impact fairly low in m+?

[steel zinc]

I play w/e rogue spec is the best in raid and m+ is still big

[vale pine]

unless i missremember, most bugs are for fatebound

[tepid trellis]

few %

[steel zinc]

Already losing mark because u killed a target with low hp and not getting darkest nigh is so bad

There are plenty more

[vale pine]

ye, i mean so similar to sub

we also bugged a few %

[tepid trellis]

ye

[steel zinc]

Yeah but sub doesn't feel the gameplay impact

[vale pine]

wdym

[steel zinc]

Like your hero talents work more on sub then sin

[short radish]

isnt that because we've always had the bugs?

[vale pine]

what do you feel on sin?

[short radish]

so we're just used to it being dogshit

[steel zinc]

Sin sometimes fatebound the tierset doesn't work

[vale pine]

as deathstalker?

mapko

explain

what exactly do you feel gameplay wise on deathstalker thats a bug

and how do you not feel delays or lost gcds on sub?

[steel zinc]

As I just said killing low hp mark target and not getting darkest night

[steel zinc]

Because you lose gcds anyways and it's consistently 1.2 gcd on coup

[vale pine]

that bug is new?

[steel zinc]

Been forever

[tribal blade]

can confirm this is one of the happiest seasons i've had pushing with a spec i'm having a blast with

[vale pine]

okay

[hollow spear]

Afaik you also lose quite a lot of funnel atm, but that might be hearsay

[vale pine]

so what you are saying is

you had fun playing with the bug in s1 and s2

[steel zinc]

I never said I had fun

[vale pine]

but suddenly its impacting you now?

[hollow spear]

Is this a competition of who has it worse or what?

[vale pine]

no

[steel zinc]

I said I can't won't play it until one hero talent is working

[hollow spear]

Subjectively, I don't feel the sub bugs as much as the sin bugs

[steel zinc]

Like fatebound in raid my tierset week 1 said nah I am gonna mix up your cooldowns now because why not

[tribal blade]

i think historically sub has been as bugged as sin is right now

[vale pine]

mapko did say assassiantion feels terrible this seasons because of new bugs, so i asked what bugs he means

[tribal blade]

just didn't get the same attention

[tepid trellis]

everytime i get delayed coup refund

i lose 1 year of my ife

[vale pine]

btw.

[short radish]

yeah i've been getting into groups more often than not

[vale pine]

its not only delayed coup refunds

[tribal blade]

s a m e

[alpine wraith]

yea i think many peripherics have suffered

[steel zinc]

Yes that sucks

[vale pine]

i need to log more

[tepid trellis]

premed not letting consume either

yep

great

[vale pine]

but i have a suspicion the tier set 2p proc is slightly delayed too

[carmine portal]

delayed coup might be the worst thing in the game rn lowkey

[tepid trellis]

it is

[tribal blade]

i'm having a tough time getting into groups, but i just hit 3600 today so crossed that threshold

[tepid trellis]

it can come like 0.3

[hollow spear]

Coup just sucks in general, that implementation is completely cheeks

[tepid trellis]

after the first one

[vale pine]

ye

[tribal blade]

remember when we played with replicating bug

[short radish]

gzgzgzgz

[vale pine]

i think all the delays are tilting

[tribal blade]

that was horrible

[short radish]

im still in the 15/16 bracket

[vale pine]

rly annoying to play

[carmine portal]

imagine being 3600 and people still think ur cheeks

[alpine wraith]

both capstones are krangled

[carmine portal]

players are insanely stupid

[tribal blade]

those keys are so easy, it's just about finding non shitters to time them with

[hollow spear]

But I take coup resets over losing mark any day of the week

[alpine wraith]

hero taletents are here to stay too

[short radish]

ha

hahahaha

[alpine wraith]

for 4 more years or 3

[short radish]

h

[alpine wraith]

AAAAaaAAAAaAaa

[short radish]

AHHAHAHAHA

[lilac stag]

We still are. They just moved it to a different skill.

[short radish]

yeah youre right

but also people are so fucking stupid

[tribal blade]

heehee

[steel zinc]

Maybe the name I think they can change them completely

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[vale pine]

i am fairly certain they will rework some

[alpine wraith]

i hope they delete many things

[carmine portal]

Haven't played loads but moving into 14's atm, crazy how much time dungeons have when your tank isn't a moron

[vale pine]

its also very likely that we see some tier sets converted into new talents

[alpine wraith]

we saw a sneak peak they are consolidating cds

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-freak-out-crazy-wild-ahh-gif-15649052

[hollow spear]

Make Goremaw Great Again

[tribal blade]

replicating bug was so bad kush cooked a non replicating build because he hated delayed refunds so much

[alpine wraith]

maybe we get blades+flag and dance+SoD

[steel zinc]

I wish the coup tierset would be baseline

[hollow spear]

I wouldn't cry a single tear over flagellation

[carmine portal]

what would ppl think of Shadowdance AND symbols duration being increased with Shadowstrike?

[vale pine]

it also celebrated 1 year before it got fixed

[alpine wraith]

who would makes no sense to ramp

[lilac stag]

I wish prism replaced flag.

[alpine wraith]

when ti did dmg it was ok

[tribal blade]

horrible

[vale pine]

2p feels great

[tribal blade]

so bad

[alpine wraith]

but now it is a cuck buff

[steel zinc]

4p too

[vale pine]

but also delayed sometimes, feels weird

[alpine wraith]

nightstalker and premed bugs are going strong they just killed nightstalker

[vale pine]

4p is good because it gives more coups

[hollow spear]

Just make coup a stronger evis without the extra strikes

Who needs that shit

[steel zinc]

Coup just needs to be fixed and not a demonspell hacked together from dfa

[alpine wraith]

well if evis was just 1 hit

[limpid sage]

They should make it a capstone and then give the choice between Shadow Blades cdr and Flagellation

[alpine wraith]

none of these would be problems

[limpid sage]

Flat profile sub pog

[vale pine]

one thing to keep in mind for detahstalker is, assassiantions mastery workes on nature damage and not just dots/bleeds, so it gets additional amps

also the mark bug they introduced

[hollow spear]

I don't understand why coup has to be the way it is

[alpine wraith]

that is also funny

[tepid trellis]

i mean its kinda funny the reason it bugs out is because its coded as an evis xD

[vale pine]

when they fixed somehting for assassination

XD

[steel zinc]

It's coded as death from above

[alpine wraith]

problem is evis x3 bad

[hollow spear]

Isn't it a krangled dfa?

[tepid trellis]

its just a blanket spell with 3x evis hits

[vale pine]

makes detahstalker on sub just doa

[tepid trellis]

it is not dfa

[lilac stag]

because people wanted DfA so they tried to make a non animation version of it and failed incredibly.

[steel zinc]

Atleast whole animation thing + delay is dfa

[vale pine]

it used the skelleton of dfa

iirc

was why it had the charge

[hollow spear]

If it was evis, it wouldn't be that shit

I hope

[alpine wraith]

the charge had something to do with it but they changed it yea

[tepid trellis]

the spell itself is just a blanket spell over 3x evis hits

[alpine wraith]

i dont really like their fixation of split dmg

[vale pine]

and the 1.2 sec gcd ^^

[alpine wraith]

it just complicates things and introduces 6 diff bugs

and they never know how to hix

[lilac stag]

It the dfa skeleton.

[steel zinc]

Yup that 1.2 was the delay from dfa

[alpine wraith]

because it has to be a hot mess

[lilac stag]

And the animation charge

[hollow spear]

They could also make it work like the dn procced evis

[vale pine]

dfa also had a empowered evis cast for what its worth

[hollow spear]

Give it crit and more damage

[vale pine]

but what stealthi mentioned is likely true

[steel zinc]

Just make coup dfa easy fix

[lilac stag]

Just missing trying to sneak sod in between the cast and the hit

[hollow spear]

I like big hits, I cannot lie

[vale pine]

the spell is probably changed/altered to the degree now

[tepid trellis]

not likely, it is

[vale pine]

that its a new spell

no i mean

it could have started as dfa

[hollow spear]

Whatever it is, it's shit

[vale pine]

but is probably not dfa at all anymore but a new thing

[tepid trellis]

i had a nice chat about the spell during rwf with a certain someone (actually quite informative i really enjoyed it)

[vale pine]

the 1.2 sec gcd is a bug i would assume

[lilac stag]

So they intentionally developed a shit spell instead of just giving us dfa

No wonder we can’t have nice things

[steel zinc]

Tell that somebody to do a better job

[alpine wraith]

well they already have failure exhibit 1

[vale pine]

XD

[alpine wraith]

on sec tech

what a mess of an ability

[vale pine]

secret was supposed to be dfa like

[alpine wraith]

so now we can enjoy failure exhibit 2

[steel zinc]

At this point why not just bring dfa back. Atleast it worked

[alpine wraith]

or maybe we are on failure exhibit 3 because first was fucken shadowed finishers

[lilac stag]

remember when we were all surprised to learn there was an animation for coup as we all actively tried to avoid the charge? Yeah good stuff.

[vale pine]

dfa had a lot of problems

[tepid trellis]

lets not pretend DFA was a good spell here

like be real

[lilac stag]

I rather have it than coup

[alpine wraith]

dfa was not a good speel

[vale pine]

dfa had a satisfying experience

[tepid trellis]

shit was just as fucked up as the shit we have now

[steel zinc]

Dfa only reason I am rogue main now. Looks cool af

[alpine wraith]

i just liked evis bfa was good

[lilac stag]

They both have issues

The leap and hit was satisfying

[alpine wraith]

just tuning was tragic

[lilac stag]

Nothing is satisfying with coup

[vale pine]

a flashy animation and a hard hit

[alpine wraith]

wod was fine bfa was fine legion was weird

[lilac stag]

Everything is annoying

[steel zinc]

Coup sound is nice rest is pepega

[vale pine]

also it had some depth to it with the initial aoe hit and alignment of dance

all of that was good, so theoretical it was a great spell

[steel zinc]

Also you can fly as rogue

[lilac stag]

I talent out of coup by playing fury after the refunds send me to the mental institution

[vale pine]

you also had skill expression like you could use the animation to actively dodge raid mechanics

[steel zinc]

In pvp it's fun

[vale pine]

however

dfa had a lot of bugs and issues

you could just fall through the floor

[steel zinc]

Yeah but atleast no one said it looked bad and feels bad

[lilac stag]

coup is the shadow lands equivalent of dfa

[vale pine]

you would need to have very precise dance casts

[tepid trellis]

now imagine DFA on Fractilus and dimensius

and have fun with that

[steel zinc]

Fun

[vale pine]

due to the "charge to enemy", you would often end up in danger

[steel zinc]

Dimen I would die kekw

[vale pine]

but even without this problem

[steel zinc]

P3 is pain

[tepid trellis]

DFA straight to the front of the boss

and get tank smacked

[lilac stag]

of they could just ya know make a leaping animation clone and you never move

[steel zinc]

Dfa through the boss

[vale pine]

the gcd was not easy to read because if you ended up too far away from the enemy, your gcd would change and you actually would not be able to use dance off gcd efficiently

[steel zinc]

Like on that legion boss in antorus

[lilac stag]

get the fun animation and not screwed by turrent bosses

[vale pine]

So agree

dfa had a lot of issues

[tepid trellis]

this would be so fun everytime you press DFA

[hollow spear]

I hate forced movement

[tepid trellis]

straigh to the front onto the tank

BONK

[vale pine]

but it also had a lot of fun stuff to it

[lilac stag]

dfa was goated on the orb boss in legion. Shit what was her name.

[short radish]

[steel zinc]

Just hit the add

[vale pine]

it would go hard

if you had a 2 part attack like dfa

[alpine wraith]

maiden

but it was still danger to do

you could get stunned

[lilac stag]

[vale pine]

and would have a immunity during the animation

just not the forced movement

[lilac stag]

There was always a safe spot to stand for dfa. Finding it was an adventure

[vale pine]

think of like a mini cos every time you use the spell

[steel zinc]

If dfa was immunity would be goated

Choice Note for cloak or dfa immunity

[vale pine]

so you turn purple, energy behind you collects, and after ~1 sec you do a cool animation/ranged attack

can use it to cheese mechanics, do burst, can align stuff like to dfa

[tepid trellis]

6/8 alt run tonight i forgor

[vale pine]

so basically the good dfa things without the problems

[vale pine]

on dh?

have fun

[tepid trellis]

it is yeah, dont think i will

[steel zinc]

Forgeweaver on dh is ... well an experience

Vr into death but also skill issue on my side

[vale pine]

not enjoying the first 6 or just not a high motivation to raid?

[tepid trellis]

it usually ends with me being assinged to shit

[tepid trellis]

tbh i just hate the build people on that fight

i might just say fuck it all and play fel-scarred on it

[steel zinc]

Fel scarred is way more fun imo

And easier to execute

[tepid trellis]

its more chill

[steel zinc]

Last season i played during farm dh. Getting no souls is so bad

Like rng can just screw u over

[vale pine]

sounds a lot like coup rng

or is it worse?

[tepid trellis]

think it hurts you more on havoc

cuz you have so little time to actually do dmg

to the adds

[steel zinc]

Worse

[tepid trellis]

and you want your enhanced sweep on them

[vale pine]

oh i see

[tepid trellis]

as Sub you will atleast always get Sectech + evis cleave

[steel zinc]

No souls u don't have a hero talent. It's like having not mark up

[vale pine]

ye, on sub you can at least set up for your burst outside of the opener

[steel zinc]

Yeah but in st last season dh u can get screwed hard

[vale pine]

[steel zinc]

Fel scared is more like sub st. U have all 2min big burst

And every eye beam window is like a dance

[vale pine]

i wonder how the new spec plays in midnight

[tepid trellis]

hopefully fun

its gonna be my split rat

[vale pine]

because iirc you can spam eye beam

[steel zinc]

Will see no one knows. I am just scared for havoc will be the new sv hunter

[tepid trellis]

i played ele sham as alt this tier

dont wanna do ranged again

[steel zinc]

Why play melee if you can go range

[tepid trellis]

well devourer is "fake" ranged

[steel zinc]

Yeah so is evoker

[tepid trellis]

its an actual melee class

[steel zinc]

But we both know what in a raid you will play more

[steel zinc]

Rly?

[tepid trellis]

it just has enhanced spells that are ranged

[steel zinc]

It has 20 yards range

Ohh ok

I just thought it's a demonhunter evoker

[tepid trellis]

atleast thats what they said about it

cuz yeah if they made it perm 20 yards

havoc is dead

unless tuned like a god

[lilac stag]

So now we get to listen to Evokers and DH complain about their assigned position due to range issues.

[steel zinc]

Yeah that's what all dhs I talked to said

It's everything 20 yards

That's why havoc could be dead except as you said tuning is godlike and then you play multiple

[tepid trellis]

i just like the theme so im gonna ply it

[steel zinc]

Yeah ofc

Also fun new spec no meta talents just play what sounds fun

[vale pine]

isn't that common as melee now

[shadow lance]

Thursday was our first evening on soul hunters, I already hate that fight

[steel zinc]

Nah they changed range talents in tww. We don't have extended range apart from feral ret and dk

[maiden oar]

wheeeee

[steel zinc]

As melee fight is legit hc apart from the first intermission

[maiden oar]

btw dumb question but what happens if u press tab/your target dies mid coup

[vale pine]

no, i mean, arn't there multiple melees with spells which are ranged.
E.g. ret paladin and Dk come to my mind

[maiden oar]

does it whiff

[tepid trellis]

stops mid cast and does nothing

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[tepid trellis]

just hope i dont end up liking devourer so much that i start maining it over rogue

[shadow lance]

We moving a lot more with the 3 hunts and shit. And HC dies so fast I'm bothered by the fight ahaha

[steel zinc]

Fight is also tank dependent and people know what to do with hunts and soaks

[vale pine]

we just need to make blizz improve sub to the point you won't ever think about any other spec again

[steel zinc]

As melee on soulhunter your a passenger

[tepid trellis]

its a very common trend for my guild to just kill me on that fight every week

ive survived the boss once so far

which was prog

all farm kills

[vale pine]

i would be sad if you switch away from rogue^^

[tepid trellis]

ive been murdered

[shadow lance]

This is the issue

[vale pine]

soul hunters is just a bad fight

[shadow lance]

I find it a bit overwhelming

[tepid trellis]

me and our feral druid crashed out a bit last week

we both got merc'd

[steel zinc]

Nah for a council fight it's been the best for years. Just council fights suck in general

[vale pine]

i would not agree with that

[shadow lance]

And I need a autumn to be able to send a cds set before 3rd Intermission

[steel zinc]

Amirdrasil duck boss was a joke for example

[tepid trellis]

that boss was funny

i remember loggin my shaman every farm week for it

[violet palm]

Remember Nathria’s Generals?

[tepid trellis]

just to spam meatballs

[vale pine]

i did like prime council overall more than this fight for example

i don't think council fights as good in general

[shadow lance]

VOTI was 10/10 council fight

Amirdrassil was a pain

[vale pine]

it for me feels like just a boss on the raid checklist

• ☑️ Council fight (even tho nobody likes them)
• ☑️ Patchwerk fight (we had some rly good ones, but fractilus is one of the worse)

[limpid sage]

How much armor does the avg enemy have? Does it vary from target to target in retail or do they all have the same?

[round latch]

Eating blackberry cheesecake

plz continue

[shadow lance]

Are 2 bosses fight considered like council?

[lilac stag]

Is it wrong that I’m assuming devourer and outlaw get the attention, sub gets its normal half assed expansion cycle and we’re all frustrated (again)

[short radish]

🙂

[tepid trellis]

i dont assume anything or expect anything therefor i wont get dissapointed

[short radish]

🥲

[lilac stag]

I expect nothing

[short radish]

i can expect nothing and stillb e disappointed

[lilac stag]

100

[tepid trellis]

then you did expect something

[sage ivy]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[tepid trellis]

you had a tiny sliver of hope

that was crushed

[short radish]

true

youre right

[lilac stag]

How many missing talents a week before prepatch goes live?

[tepid trellis]

im kinda synical i dont really care how rogue ends up im still gonna play it and ill still be in on prog which is all i care about

if i dont enjoy rogue after prog is over

i just dont log in

[lilac stag]

Since our prog is longer. Easier option is just cancel subscription.

[tepid trellis]

i just treat wow as a purely seasonal game

and go do other stuff (mainly lost ark)

id probably care alot more if i gave a shit about m+ tho

[lilac stag]

M+ is weird for me. I realized I don’t enjoy it on the rogue. Brain off warrior has me wanting to push a little more.

[tepid trellis]

i just dont like the direction they have taken dungeons

so i want nothing to do with it

[lilac stag]

It’s not bad on the rogue, but pugs and rogue just bleh

[buoyant birch]

just play bm hunter, 3 buttons, ranged and top dps

[plush jackal]

stats fine?

96points of mastery over cap and 247 points versa overcap

[round latch]

wdym cap

[round latch]

so its DR threshold kicking in

[tepid trellis]

yeh dont look at those

we dont really care about them

just do as the robot tells you

[plush jackal]

robot?

[round latch]

simbots

[plush jackal]

ahhh

never used it

[round latch]

u mean u never simmed your gear?

[plush jackal]

nope

maybe in df when i wasnt sure of equipement

on ym mage

[tepid trellis]

should prolly learn to do that

[round latch]

that means u just took a bis list and gathered it?

[plush jackal]

no

[tepid trellis]

it is alot smarter than we are

[plush jackal]

i just spam versa/mastery and when i have enough i just add crit to it

[round latch]

not rly,its programmed by us,not exactly smarter

[tepid trellis]

u dont know

when you have enough tho

[tepid trellis]

its better at math

than me

[round latch]

its literally a program someone wrote to execute

[tepid trellis]

therefor smarter

[round latch]

..

schemantics

anyway

[plush jackal]

i have 21k mastery and 23k versa so i think its wnough xD

[round latch]

ye sim your gear

[plush jackal]

wanted to switch few items for crit ones

[tepid trellis]

"think" is the keyword

[plush jackal]

i mean

do you have more?

[round latch]

[tepid trellis]

just sim yo self, what i have dont matter, you and i probably do not have access to the same gear

[round latch]

the reason its proposed to sim yourself is because we dont know every single profile and stats are different

[plush jackal]

because in what scenario can i use simbot to actually help me besides see some dmg input which doesnt make sense to me

[fringe palm]

robot was programmed by a human, cant be that smart

[round latch]

also waht racoon lord says

[fringe palm]

are you hitting a dummy with perfect raidbuffs, bl, consumables 100k times to see if versa enchants are better than mastery? if not use raidbots

[tepid trellis]

what if i infact do that?

[round latch]

u do that while simming though

[fringe palm]

[tepid trellis]

but i suck at math so i still sim

[round latch]

totally different story

u dont have to be a phd holder in math to sim though

u are strawmaning yourself bro

[plush jackal]

i started using crit ones as i got to such high versa numbers and mastery ones

[fringe palm]

have you tested it 100k+ times to see if your feeling is correct? if not go and use raidbots

[plush jackal]

because i thought dr cuts a lot of ur stats

[tepid trellis]

how do uknow if thats better or not tho?

[plush jackal]

i just hope

xD

but thanks for the advice lads

[round latch]

u hope wrong

[tepid trellis]

time to join the church of raidbots

all questions leads to sim yo self

[plush jackal]

shit feels like im not playing casual when i play sub xD

[round latch]

sub isnt casual by any means

also,if u read on the addon DR threshold notes it expresses the % of penalty your stat has above that threshold

that doesnt mean that keep stacking that stat is still better than others

hence u need to sim to know if it is or not

[plush jackal]

aaa make sense

[plush jackal]

ye but i started playing it because they fcked arcane mage and made him braindeadly easy

and sublety is probably last spec that requires at least 2braincells to work instead of other which needs 1

[round latch]

thats completely irrelevant(i also play mage and i agree)

if u wanna minmax sub

[plush jackal]

i kinda do, but im lost at it

[round latch]

there is no way u can ever say its easy

[plush jackal]

i wanna be like good good

[limpid sage]

Feral feels good too

[round latch]

u can never say u are,even if u perform

[tepid trellis]

sub is easy (to me)

[fringe palm]

i need more than 1 braincell to play bm. takes a lot of effort to stay awake

[plush jackal]

feral is wonderful

[limpid sage]

Enha’s supposedly hard as well?

[round latch]

no its not,not only to you that u minmax it for years,but for every experienced rogue

ever

period

[limpid sage]

Given you’re a riven main sub is prob more your style tho

[plush jackal]

sub is easy to your(2500hours on the spexc) xD

[tepid trellis]

it did infact take more braincelss to fix our Fract wa issue last reset than it did playing the class

[fathom adder]

dr bm has its little things to optimize as well in this season. Easy to fuck up

[limpid sage]

Edgy and piano rotation

[plush jackal]

yeah

exactly

[tepid trellis]

thats a low ball i think

[fringe palm]

you can combine both wa packs now reloe added something

[tepid trellis]

big

no more fract jail

[fringe palm]

[tepid trellis]

big cope

somebody will have a red horse

and not tell

until 5 pulls deep

[fringe palm]

you should be able to talk to the boss, and if everyone has the same wa it just drops loot

[tepid trellis]

facts

[plush jackal]

okay so i simmed my gear, now i gotta buy it in wow the gems enchants or can i change it in simbot somewhere?

[tepid trellis]

can change everything in raidbots

[plush jackal]

im doing quick sims so i suppose i aint in the right place

[tepid trellis]

topgear

pretty sure if add all of my rogues together i have more than 10k hours on it

i need a hobby frfr

[plush jackal]

jesus christ

[fossil forge]

How many rogues do you have

[plush jackal]

unemployment final boss

xD

[tepid trellis]

active or in total?

[fossil forge]

Total

[tepid trellis]

9

[plush jackal]

big respect

i wanted to do my second one ngl

[fossil forge]

I have 2

[tepid trellis]

only 1 active tho, since i refuse to mirror split

[plush jackal]

whats that?

like doing content with both?

[tepid trellis]

play the same 2 classes for raid splits

[fossil forge]

i know a dude with like 20 rogues

He only play rogue though

[plush jackal]

i think he likes rogue

[wet echo]

most i ever had was 3 rogues in wod

[fossil forge]

Craaazy

[wet echo]

1 was main night elf, then i made a human for pvp because racial and then made a dwarf to play low rated pvp with casual friends without tanking rating

[fossil forge]

18 of them end up not played because no weapon first fault

Vault

[plush jackal]

xDDD

let me guess they had to be myth as well

[tepid trellis]

i pretty much did the same thing, also just me refusing to pay money for anything so had multiple different ones in each faction/race and servers to play with people

[fossil forge]

Ofc

[wet echo]

same reason, i've been paying everything in wow through tokens since their implementation

[tepid trellis]

i have alot of gold to burn through before i end up quitting the game

so its gonna take me a while

[wet echo]

until very recently, now i don't have anymore gold and i'm reluctantly paying for gametime

[tepid trellis]

i still have 5.7caps left

so

gonna be a bit

[wet echo]

damn

toss a coin to a beggar

it's all from guild boosts or do you do stuff with a boosting community as well? or are you 1 of them AH gamers?

[tepid trellis]

just from boosting the last like 10 years

made most of it in legion/SL

[fossil forge]

i mean boosting is crazy money if ur willing to sit there and play

[wet echo]

yea i had a bunch of gold in bfa/SL cuz of boosting

[tepid trellis]

i never really did like the heroic community shit

i just did mythic boosts and m+ boosts

and some pvp a long ass time ago

[fossil forge]

cbaaa m+

[wet echo]

i never got paid for boosting in pvp but i'm pretty sure i boosted RBGs unknowingly

[fossil forge]

fell asleep with a open window now i am sick #home for vault day

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-the-frog-pepe-yey-yes-cheer-gif-11930895

[wild tide]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[azure thicket]

any advice for getting good at big momma fight in a 13-14?

this fight gives me the pains with all the target swapping/losing globals etc

[fair anchor]

Swapping target on big momma ?

Maybe only on shield

Dont think you lose globals ever

[azure thicket]

so you just sit on big momma the whole fight until shield pops and finish adds?

i usually play outlaw and assassin so im not used to just funneling that i guess

[fair anchor]

Yup, you still rupture adds i think but otherwise cleave off momma

You still target big momma as outlaw and sin

I dont get it

If you target adds then you kill adds one by one instead of at the same time

Maybe if one has too much hp

[azure thicket]

yea after deathmark i would focus on killing adds and outlaw is just who cares hit stuff kick casts

[limpid sage]

Legion numbers were crazy

[fair anchor]

Assa is 100% funnelling off adds 🧐

Otherwise boss takes 10mins

If you cant kill adds in time but have to actively focus them you're most likely bricking the key anyway for lack of damage

[azure thicket]

guess i keep getting iffy dps

[fair anchor]

Starting boss with 18 prism stsck helps

[azure thicket]

never did 2 chest any of the 14 keys i did in s2

[mental kettle]

if you guys are going into a bossfight in m+ and you have let's say 7-8 prism stacks, and you know you'll send second flag because the boss will live, do you hold prism

[golden totem]

If you play double use yes

[mental kettle]

single onuse

[golden totem]

Then doesn't matter unless one burst is more valuable than the other during the fight

[mental kettle]

aha ok

thanks

[haughty rose]

!aoe

[wicked jolt]

General Gist of the Aoe rotation

• At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
• At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
• Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).

[haughty rose]

"no othere secret rule" probably includes that it doesn't matter if every target has FW on it right?

[dusty totem]

Yeah there was a rule at some point about FW

[haughty rose]

last season irc

[dusty totem]

Also part of this season i think but yeah it doesn't matter

[vocal bear]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[lilac stag]

It was initially there, but for the little to no gain it was removed as a recommendation.

[tribal blade]

you can press BP on the fight

people talk about padding on that fight, but the adds dying in time is important

[short radish]

i fucking hate so much

[lilac stag]

Not “can” you do.

[short radish]

whenever someone says "sub is just pad damage"

it's the fucking misinfo about our non existant funnel

and for some reason every other spec is allowed to hit adds

except us

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[lilac stag]

Sounds like assa

[placid elk]

do we finish on 6+ or 5+ ?

[fleet wharf]

!bp

aww, but for bp its at 4

[lilac stag]

6+

[fleet wharf]

i misunderstood the question

[lilac stag]

4 targets. Not CPs

[hollow spear]

Sub is just pad damage

[fleet wharf]

watch them take away nimble flurry based on these messages *in midnight

[lilac stag]

It sure as shit ain’t our ST dmg in raid

[lilac stag]

Good. Give it back to outlaw or whatever the fuck they change that spec to.

[tidal patrol]

Hey. Currently lvling but wanna prepare for 80; how do I play around dance macabre? Just got the talent, i remember playing it in dragonflight, is it the same pretty much? Use some dif abilities before ST while in dance?

And how many stacks should I aim for before throwing ST?

[lilac stag]

You don’t

[vale pine]

only deamon hunters is

[lilac stag]

At 80 you do dance + backstab instead of strike and that’s the only DM optimization.

[tidal patrol]

Gottcha, thanks

[shadow lance]

So it's the first council fight this xpac

[vale pine]

oh no

its the only one this tier

[shadow lance]

That's why I was asking if you consider double boss being a council fight?

[vale pine]

usually not, but you are correct

we have a lot of 2 boss figths

[shadow lance]

And last tier, the dual boss fight wasn't really council cuz you could not hit both

So, we don't have council every tier (hopefully)

[vale pine]

it was def. less common this xpac

was more common in DF

[shadow lance]

Yep

Even more in SL

[haughty mural]

In hindsight if they really take it out, they could buff out single target again

[fleet wharf]

If that were to happen would we just be DOA for M+?

[haughty mural]

Till they buff BP again

[lilac stag]

Bring back combo. Buff Dance, Evis & BP. Actual prio dmg choices.

[haughty mural]

[tepid trellis]

@tribal blade

[lilac stag]

10 gambit with 18 stack on pull

[tribal blade]

the raccoon man is doing it

i need me a 12 mil overall at some point

[tepid trellis]

was just a quick lil floodgate

[tribal blade]

i haven't done FG in a hot minute

that place is so cancerous this season

[dusty totem]

They did fix the stuff where you could start the key with 18 stack prism right?

[tribal blade]

99% sure they did

when you zone into an instance now you drop all stacks

noticed it this week

[dusty totem]

Yeah didn't work for me either

[tribal blade]

thank god honestly

that kinda shit is annoying

[dusty totem]

Yeah 3 min pre key is kinda pushing it

[lilac stag]

Fits sub perfectly

[tribal blade]

"hey guys sorry we gotta sit here for 3 mins while i build stacks"

[tribal blade]

haha trueee

i'm having so much more fun pushing as sub

makes me happy

[tight fjord]

I like double on use trinket, and I only have lily /prism

[dusty totem]

Fak that

prism antenna all the way

[tribal blade]

it looks like prism+antenna is less troll even on last 2 bosses than i thought

[fleet wharf]

I thought they didn't spawn properly? waht's new?

[dusty totem]

Yeah main stat on antenna also just means that ur 18 stack prism use is more strong

[tribal blade]

eleem got i think a rank 5 parse or something like that with prism+antenna

granted he's really good

but still

it's more so that the miss rate is high on those 2 bosses

but i simmed it and seems like even with 30-40% miss rate on patchwerk it's equal-ish

[dusty totem]

I also feel like it has to be under simming by quite a bit since you can delay the orb pickup

[tribal blade]

GRANTED patchwerk sim is not a fight with an amp

[tribal blade]

he mentioned that too yes

[dusty totem]

Like i never go into dance without an orb

[tribal blade]

this is all my cope for not having forge yet tbh

[dusty totem]

Same lul

[tight fjord]

Same

[fleet wharf]

well I'm in the same boat, so that's good too lol

[dusty totem]

Got myth antenna in vault so

i think i am stuck with it forever

Not the worst problem to have tho

[lilac stag]

I much rather deal with 2x on use than ball catcher

[tribal blade]

i simmed dslice and you need something like 80-85% miss rate on antenna for forge+prism to sim higher

[dusty totem]

That is crazy

[tribal blade]

TRUE i would too

[tight fjord]

I open keys with lily>lily>18 stack>lily on my cds though for now until I get araz trinket and it seems good

[tribal blade]

that was just my own sim though 2 weeks ago or so

[lilac stag]

I want the sigil from aces

[dusty totem]

Well clearly u can just not pick up the orbs and it is still fine lul

[tribal blade]

hopefully i didn't bork the sim, but i think i did it right

[mental kettle]

damn

[dusty totem]

no worries bro

[mental kettle]

hunter boss damage is insane

[dusty totem]

Fuck hunters

rng machine

[fleet wharf]

I thought fuck mages was our motto

[tribal blade]

hunters were performing well and somehow got buffed

amazing

[mental kettle]

this was last boss in dawnbreaker

[tribal blade]

was that with trash pull between phases

[mental kettle]

i sent double flag with prism and still nowhere near

no

[lilac stag]

Why is your dmg so low?

[mental kettle]

we had MB for healer

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[mental kettle]

idk @lilac stag

good q

downtime is giga tho

[tribal blade]

yeah a lot of downtime

[lilac stag]

You should pump that boss

[tribal blade]

while you're flying

[mental kettle]

we didnt do trash while flying

[dusty totem]

Yeah downtime is not huge for us

you just lose a dance use

[tribal blade]

that trash while flying is so good

[lilac stag]

You only have intermission. Otherwise it’s patchwerk

[tribal blade]

this was 18 DB today

i've never done this much dmg in there before

i was honestly very surprised

thank god i was doing those numbers, i think we timed with like 30 secs left

[dusty totem]

Yeah that key is soo faking tight

You just need everyone to be pumping entire key

[tribal blade]

i think i did 300 mil more boss dam on the last boss than the other 2 dps

no joke

[mental kettle]

huge

is it worth hitting webs flying flying for prism stacks

[lilac stag]

Imagine having shout, skyfury and brand

[mental kettle]

if ur not doing trash

[dusty totem]

Yes

[tribal blade]

not fair on arcane because they get no execute

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[dusty totem]

also to stack up combo points

[tribal blade]

be careful where you do it

[lilac stag]

Meanwhile running with prot pally, Hunter, priest and x as sub.

[mental kettle]

by the patrol in courtyard

[tribal blade]

if you do it next to 2nd boss place there's a pat

[mental kettle]

yeah

distract

etc

use eyes

unless it randomly bugs

idk

i heard there is some bug with hitting shit during the flying part

btw does sectec work same way it did in DF

[ivory vigil]

What's the ideal m+ comp for a rogue to deal the most damage?

[mental kettle]

warrior, monk, shaman, dh (?)

[fleet wharf]

Druid prolly ok instead of dh right?

[lilac stag]

Triple melee is pants.

[mental kettle]

dh, druid, shammy, warr, monk

i forgot versa buff

[fleet wharf]

yea, run that 6 man comp for m+

[lilac stag]

Monk & DH interchangeable.

[mental kettle]

new meta

[naive acorn]

hey quick question, if i´m not able to trac the amount of SD outside of BD. what talent would u recomend when having energy issues?

[lilac stag]

Nah. Same meta. Rogue on bench.

[mental kettle]

5 melee floodgate is so good

[tribal blade]

this might honestly be the ideal spot to be in, there's little danger of sub getting nerfed i think

it's just a shame that rogue doesn't really bring anything besides dmg right now

[fleet wharf]

They should either disable raidbuffs in M+ or let you pi ck which 5 buffs to bring through your keystone or something

[tribal blade]

yeah they should address it in some way

[mental kettle]

bring back scrolls

[tribal blade]

any way

[mental kettle]

and 35% drums

they fixed the problem

and broke it again

[limpid sage]

I legit don’t sign up for keys that don’t have sham or fits a sham

[fleet wharf]

I feel it's not as bad without shaman this season. Am I just high or something?

[limpid sage]

No it’s a relatively smaller difference this season iirc

But it’s way harder hitting double sectec in first dance without it

Unless you have pre-supercharged

[fleet wharf]

speaking of which, now I am also in the same boat missing the opening burst. wtb forge

[vale pine]

@tribal blade do you know if vanish fucks with spell queueing in halls, specifically 3rd boss?

[tribal blade]

not that i know of no

do you mean the casts the boss does on the tank?

[vale pine]

the boss sometimes spawns pillars very late, which seems like a bug

a friend has the suspicion that its vanish related

[tribal blade]

ohhhh right

[vale pine]

because it happens a lot and he plays outlaw

[tribal blade]

i think that just happens in the fight sometimes if i'm not mistaken

ahhh ok

[vale pine]

and outlaw uses vanish more than subtlety

[tribal blade]

but yeah i know you can have situations where you won't have a cannister up

[vale pine]

so the theory is that vanish might be the culprit

[tribal blade]

might be the case yeah, i haven't had that happen on the boss before

[vale pine]

exactly, and he had that only happen on rogue

[tribal blade]

and i'm not casting vanish on that fight ever really

[vale pine]

while i only had it happen once sof ar

[tribal blade]

i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case

it must be a wipe if that happens right

at least on higher keys

i have yet to see it knock on wood

[vale pine]

@leaden prairie might be also good to ask as he plays outlaw quite a bit.
(We currently have the theory that 3rd boss halls can bug out if you use vanish at the wrong time, just want to know if you have an idea)

[vale pine]

usually is, because it becomes impossible to heal

[leaden prairie]

ye of course

well it doesnt bug out

but its kinda a wipe if you vanish an add

the add will melee anyone close to it before retargeting

and then the time it take to retarget + bring it to a lantern

it delays the spawn of the next lantern

if you delay enough you can get situations where the lantern spawns after the add

[vale pine]

ah okay, so it fucks with the spell queueing

[leaden prairie]

ye kinda

[vale pine]

thanks,

[leaden prairie]

but this can also happen natually if you are just late getting the adds to lanterns

but obviously vanishing your add is a big nono

[vale pine]

perfect, good to know

[graceful osprey]

Any cd timing advice or general advice for H Dimensius?

[quaint lodge]

yea i have to routinely tell mages to not hit invis

just instant wipes the fight

[short radish]

send off cooldown

until platform 2

do not hold flag for 3 minutes

[vale pine]

my tip would be to test out cooldown timings

iirc most guilds will still do damage stops

[short radish]

on heroic?

[vale pine]

oh my bad

i did not see the H

tip for heroic

[glacial kraken]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[vale pine]

• make sure you have cooldowns on the damage amp phase
• Ideally send cooldowns on platforms to pad on adds
• P1 try to have high boss uptime, make sure to talk to your raid lead to allow melees to hit the boss during the intermissions you need to stack up

[mental kettle]

stupid question i think but

sec tec loses all damage if you move out of melee or mob moves away from you after pressed right

[plush roost]

Clones attack mob rrgardless

[maiden oar]

depends on how fast platforms die

can be correct to not flag on pargoth platform or can be correct to flag on both platforms

can sometimes be correct to flag at 90s in p1 but can be incorrect if it wont be back for artoshion

[queen plinth]

how do we play postmaster

in hardmode

how do we break roots

can cloak one?

should be dead then right?

[maiden oar]

can just do it normally its not so bad to throw it and catch your own one

vanish prevents it from rooting u for a few seconds too

but also can just skip it if ur groups good w current gear

[fleet wharf]

just to clarify, pretty sure he means running that particular boss with 1 tank and 4 dps and you kill the boss before the bomb blows up with all your cds and lust

[maiden oar]

yea thats what i meant by this

if u blow it up make sure to farm 14 sht + coup + disorienting + superchargers on a target dummy toy while waiting for lust

might be unnecessary but its funny

[graceful osprey]

I’ve been playing around with timings and for sure we have been killing him faster in Heroic. Times may vary if people are bringing alts. I’ve been holding CDs on 2nd platform and saving it to nuke boss in last phase. I don’t know, probably just shouldn’t worry about parses too much lol

[prime glen]

!sim

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[magic hawk]

hello, do you know if hekili is reliable and a good start to switch to sub spec ? i'm not an astro-physician to be able to play this spec from scratch without tools to help me 😅

[shy scarab]

just practice for a 1 hour on dummies you should be fine! 😄

[limpid sage]

They’re good training wheels yes

[magic hawk]

practice on dummies with hekili or just watching the rotation on 2nd screen and try to master it on dummies for an hour ? 👀

[lilac stag]

Hekili and dummies usually doesn’t work since I believe it tries to full send everything when in “execute”

unless you can disable that (no idea)

[magic hawk]

ok, thanks, will try this without then

[limpid sage]

Oh I didn’t know that

[inland cliff]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[lilac stag]

I’m 99% sure all the rotation helpers have a TTD switch that tries to use the apl to unload whatever CDs may get wasted

[plush jackal]

is there any flawless form stacks counter wa? or is it useless?

[vale pine]

you in general just want to know if its up

[plush jackal]

ahhh, dont i wanna know how many stacks i have as well?

[hazy breach]

Not really no

You dont change your gameplay based on how many stacks you have

So theres no need to see how many you have

[plush jackal]

aaa make sense, i was looking for that wa anyway, dont yall have some weak aura of that kind? or i gotta download whole pack and surgically remove it specificaly

[hazy breach]

You can easily make one through WA templates ingame

[plush jackal]

ill try it then, never was much weak aura creator

[willow egret]

Does more than 100 percent mastery be beneficial for sub rogues ?

[wraith girder]

Sim but prob drop some for vers

[cedar willow]

anyone else feels like 1st boss of streets knows when you pop cds to take your weapon?

[astral axle]

no because i watch the big wigs timer

[limpid sage]

that's pretty sick

[narrow hemlock]

any idea how on nexus king people get cooldowns back at 2:55 and 4:25? is it just logs or something?

[fallow nimbus]

Pala autumn

[narrow hemlock]

oh, thanks

[hollow spear]

That reminds me that I have to bribe our pala

[queen plinth]

do we change our sqw?

since i play arcane my spellqueuewindow is on 400, am i fine or do i need to lower it or something

[supple verge]

hows the zoneout tech for prism work

key gets put in and started, zone out before bubble ends, zone back in after bubble drops?

[chrome fern]

i'd be entirely unsurprised if no one in this discord knew about sqw's, maybe outlaw

[lilac stag]

It doesn’t work

[vale pine]

keep it on 400 or set it to 200-250

[queen plinth]

will 250 affect my gameplay positivly

sometimes i feel like my strike is laggy

[lilac stag]

Look at your logs

[queen plinth]

and coms with delay or something like that

[lilac stag]

We’re a 1 sec gcd locked spec

With the exception of coup

[opal basalt]

how does antenna sim for us on raidbots? with the 20% miss or just 0%?

like it's so far ahead the other passive trinkets i just can't really believe it

[vale pine]

it won't change your gameplay

[lilac stag]

Dungeon trinkets are mid

The 2 passive raid trinkets are good

[fossil forge]

changing sides

[chrome fern]

:spit:

[shrewd lantern]

man i love vault keys

[chrome fern]

i was doing like 6/7's on my arcane to just get smaller crests / chance at hero trinkets

tanks couldn't keep threat

[shrewd lantern]

lmfao

[fossil forge]

doing 6 7 s this late in the season is like visiting mental asylum

[chrome fern]

was spamming eco domes, and like that big devourer? runs outta pack straight at me lol

every sentinel? at me

i apologised to the tanks after

[vagrant fulcrum]

how dps feels when you win kekw

[chrome fern]

@vale pine

[willow egret]

Wish I could do that. I'm usually in the middle . One parse away from getting yelled at by my paladin tank

[shut ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/sybau-syaos-british-english-ts-pmo-gif-18322740700124619850

[vagrant fulcrum]

i usually win overalls, fdk and dh can be close though

[willow egret]

Can you share your logs please trying to learn .

[chrome fern]

just gotta play with worse players XD

[modest light]

qUESTION I jsut swapped to sub, and Im using ST trickster build, every rotatio nsays to use symbols of death but its not in my abilities at all??!

[willow egret]

Type in search bar it will pop up

[chrome fern]

pink icon

[vagrant fulcrum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/twisting-nether/rakin?zone=45&metric=dps im by no means amazing, just above average

[stone patrol]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[vagrant fulcrum]

also the vast majority of keys aren't logged

so idk how recent those logs are

[willow egret]

Thank you it's a mix between assassination and sub but I got the good log

[modest light]

this saved me ty

[willow egret]

Dang that's some monster level damage

[limpid sage]

we just killed soul hunters with my cb sectec midair

[dry plank]

Worst situation ever

[limpid sage]

yup and intermission just barely started before we killed darksorrow

so we had 0 uptime on anything when they flew up...

[dry plank]

2nd worst is when boss dies few seconds before your cds

[limpid sage]

it's mb

I should've blackmailed our hpala into pressing autumn on me

[plush roost]

Every single soul hunters ended with me afk watching a demon hunter jump around

Cursed timing

[limpid sage]

rip

[plush roost]

I had one pull where i was 10.3m on details. And boss was 10% intermission hits and i end at 8.7m :(((

Why blizzard why

[limpid sage]

I could've gotten so many 99/100s last raid night if we just got the exact same kill timer as this time

[chrome palm]

just get sludgefist'd during intermission and be mad for a different reason

[vale pine]

whats the question?

[limpid sage]

@vale pine

[vale pine]

@vale pine

[plush roost]

@uuf

[limpid sage]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-funny-oof-gaming-gif-17036380

[chrome fern]

was tagging cause spammer, no question

it was dealt with

[dawn pasture]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[scenic plover]

does feint work on the nexus king claws?

!def

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[stone patrol]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[scenic plover]

how do i hold coup without holding finishers?

[limpid sage]

rupture/black powder

[scenic plover]

on st?

[limpid sage]

you don't bp on st no

it's better to overcap on combo points then

[scenic plover]

for 20s?

[hazy breach]

yes

[stone patrol]

do you powder titan on nexus myth ?

[scenic plover]

sounds crazy to hold for 20

[wild hornet]

are you supposed to rupture all 3 soul hunters or is it enough to do it on one assuming talented replicating shadows

[limpid sage]

it's a pretty big increase actually

[scenic plover]

i just spend more on rupture outside of cds on soul hunters

worked for keeping it up mostly

[sly mango]

So, I'm trying to learn subtetly and someone said I shouldn't use black powder on aoe unless it's a shit ton of mobs because for regular packs (8 mobs) my eviscerate will cleave them, is this accurate or should I use black powder?

[signal moth]

bp at 3+

!bp

[limpid sage]

it's 4+

3 is only if they all have FW

[signal moth]

exactly 3+

[limpid sage]

that being said, it's more valuable to spam evis if you have a prio target

[signal moth]

playing arcane mage recently feels like subt that only does evis spam lol

[sly mango]

that makes a lot of sense

[wild hornet]

do you need to rupture all soul hunters whilst talented into replicating shadows, or is it enough to maintain it on 2 at a time

[karmic harbor]

Is arcane harder than sub

[signal moth]

hmm.. i have no idea when to use defensives, movement on some bosses as a range is ass.. I have been a tank and melee dps main forever.. the only healer i played was mw monk when it was all fist so I suck at that

in terms of rotation its basically subt but with different buttons

big burn and little burn

basically big burn is flag/shadow and mini burn is like dance inbetween them

so i have no idea what it does, just the order to hit my keys lol

arcane blast i downloaded a weakaura to tell me what to do

cba learning the class

[limpid sage]

just don't do it on very large pulls unless you really need the prio dmg

it's a 2.4% dps loss on 8 targets, but goes to ~4.6% already on 10 targets

[signal moth]

its a 20% dps loss if you get a shit tank too

[limpid sage]

100% dps loss even if he instantly lays down

[signal moth]

the worst tanks are the ones that just sit with like.. 2 mobs

and every dps holds all cds

repeat every pack

like fuck me, move

[limpid sage]

you don't understand, the 2 footmen have to be killed before entering next pack

[signal moth]

one tank said.. lets kill these adds before boss

took 500 hours until he went into boss and everyone hit CDs and they insta died

and he said 'why not just do that before wtf'

like.. how are you even in 18s lol

[scenic plover]

greedy dps players holding cds

[signal moth]

the problem is and what people dont understand (prob do here) using flag on 2 mobs is useless when they die befor eyou even get the 50% through lol

but without them you did no dps

[scenic plover]

i have no idea how flag works

i click buttons

[signal moth]

https://tenor.com/view/flag-yellow-nfl-penalty-hold-up-gif-17118803

[scenic plover]

am i doing okay for like a month of playing sub?

[signal moth]

no

why arent you 8/8?

[scenic plover]

[mental kettle]

!LOG

WHOOPS

[scenic plover]

big log gate keeping

[mental kettle]

Whats the log review command

[scenic plover]

smh