subtlety

[dusty totem]

What trinks do u have atm?

[vale pine]

soleah is quite mid

[fast iron]

my only thought process w grabbing soleah's is that its a free 707 upgrade ig

or just, a half upgrade idk

my gear aint allat

(i got haste buff from pot on in the pic)

[dusty totem]

Yeah i mean ur current trink are not good so if u don't think u will replace them easy then i guess soleah's might be decent

[fast iron]

i mean its just hc roulette

[dusty totem]

Yeah true

[fast iron]

havent done raid this week yet so MAYBE will change but y

[dusty totem]

But sim it first i guess

[fast iron]

i coudl just grab belt and 723 it

[tepid trellis]

hold for adds

its that simple

[bitter halo]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[crisp idol]

oh that's my issue? 😄

[hazy breach]

Bro just explained most bosses as sub in these 3 words

[fossil forge]

forge did not drop

[hazy breach]

Why use many words when few do trick

[vale pine]

big brain

[fossil forge]

i still have hope for my vault

[dusty totem]

Pop a non cd dance on pull then cds at ~20 sec into fight so u get cds on first two adds

Then pop cds again at around 2 min

[fossil forge]

next week 💔

[dusty totem]

gg big dmg

Pray that ur raid does zero dmg to adds but good dmg to boss

[tepid trellis]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rLwkjD23fW1XChtV?fight=11&type=casts&source=11&view=timeline
if you wanna see how to unleash full pad just do what i do here

[fast iron]

@vale pine would u recommend double on use

in general?

if im not a 20 iq gamer?

my friend insists "all good rogues play double on use, the reason fuu wrote 1 on use and 1 passive is to make the gameplay easier for the average rogue"

[vale pine]

i would recommend it on the last 2 fights

[weary tree]

On pargoth platform you can cloak the big circle the add does right?

[vale pine]

or well 3/8 fights

[hazy breach]

Yes but dont soak the orbs

[weary tree]

Ye ofc xd. So I can just stand in it while he does it and then move out for orbs

[vale pine]

^ basically nexus kind, forgeweaver and dimensius

[hazy breach]

Well once he starts casting hes locked in so you just move once it starts

But yeah you can stand in the circle

[plain void]

isn't it kinda more optimal to not kill saladbar and dimmy

since we don't really need much from them

and not killing them gives us a better chance at other stuff in vaults

[hazy breach]

Youre not wrong

[fast iron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/srnBX8xsFwba8QkGBvQ4Gk

does this make sense?

@vale pine xd

i guess i recraft wrist?

[hazy breach]

What are you asking about

[vale pine]

i am not sure either

[fast iron]

my vault options

[warm depot]

take big number 4head

[mystic ether]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[honest grail]

With tier set if after the first coup I shuriken storm and I'm not at full cp

Do I keep SSing or do I send

[olive jacinth]

Im in front of Araz mythic at the moment. Any tips for first time progress?

[mystic ether]

!cbug

[wicked jolt]

Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:

• Relogging.
  You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <

[hazy breach]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[honest grail]

It doesn't explain whether I send without full cp or not

[hazy breach]

Well you should be at full cp

[honest grail]

I know on outlaw you send no matter what if you can't avoid wasting a proc

Even at 1 cp

[hazy breach]

During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets

You would never be at 1 cp

[honest grail]

So you just waste the guaranteed proc otherwise?

[wet echo]

well it does damage but doesn't count toward the 4 til next coup

so it's technically wasted

[limber relic]

If I just enter dance and sectec is off CD is it better to just send that or hit an evis first for the extra dance stack then send it? Or bad idea because im missing CDR then

[hazy breach]

Send sectech asap

[limber relic]

Okay thats what i figured...better to not loose uses then an extra 5% on one

[hazy breach]

And a lot of the power of sectech is in the unseen blade afterwards

if you delay sectech, you either wont get those inside your dance and/or you wont get coup(s) inside your dance

[tulip gorge]

dumb question but do you lose dps if you swap targets in aoe?

[limber relic]

Gotcha makes sense. I feel like i got my CDs down but its the random dances in between I mess up

[hazy breach]

Not really

[vale pine]

no, but your damage outside of cooldowns isn't that high

[hazy breach]

Unless you send coups on a target without fw

[tulip gorge]

I don't mean outside of cds

like sometimes during big pulls I just tab target to kick

[vale pine]

just use a focus macro

[tulip gorge]

I don't lose dps if I continue my rotation on my new target right

[tepid trellis]

4th soulhunters kill 4th time ive been murdered by someone on it 🙂

[hazy breach]

🙃

[vale pine]

[iron plover]

probably not, the only thing you could possibly be missing is the fazed and find weakness debuffs but idt thats really likely or really matters much

[tepid trellis]

we have stolen our progress logs back tho, so i can view them again

[alpine wraith]

wait didnt you part on good terms

or was it some colombian drama

[tepid trellis]

oh nah, logs in myst was controlled by guild rank

so we just uploaded them into the new guild

[alpine wraith]

ah i personal log private just in case too sometimes

[tepid trellis]

also not really parted that well, it was a mutiny

[vale pine]

yikes

[alpine wraith]

well the majority wanted something

[tepid trellis]

yeah like 85% of the guild wanted something different from the guild

[vale pine]

thats a lot

[tepid trellis]

it was essentially just not 3 officers and 1 raider

that wasent a part of it

[vale pine]

so you are in the 85% or 15%

i might missunderstand

[tepid trellis]

85%

[tall oriole]

!log

[vale pine]

oh okay, so the split was more about a certain small group leaving

thats not too bad

[tepid trellis]

well 85% of us left

and made our own guild

[vale pine]

what name did you decide on?

[tepid trellis]

nothing final

its just called "TheDen" for now

[tulip gorge]

man hunters and dks are griefing keys so hard

they have the dumbest specs imaginable and they still do tank dps

and DKs for some reason just die like flies

[alpine wraith]

most hunters and dk with me do fine

maybe they are just not used to be doing higher keys

[signal vortex]

Guys question, i have antenna and araz (mythic) and prism (HC), the best combo is double on use, but how should i use this?

[plush roost]

SorryIMystYou

[magic ruin]

feint does not work on soul hunters ghosts right?

[icy mulch]

Forge on pull and then alternate from there unless you’re doing a boss with weird cd timings or holding prism for damage amps

[hazy breach]

!def

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[magic ruin]

thanks forgot about that command

[left ledge]

IF YOU TAKE ELUSIVENESS

FEINT WORKS ON EVERYTHING

[vale pine]

true

evasion too

[fossil forge]

sigma i press my defensives vs noob save me from death

[left ledge]

If we all use elusiveness more we can get more people to cry about feint costing energy

Then they can remove the energy cost

[fossil forge]

This bro

THIS

Bro just spit some absolute fax

[left ledge]

What can I say I’m like a pioneer

[vale pine]

energy cost on defensives is a weird design tbh

[fossil forge]

How much Exactly

Does it take

[icy mulch]

Feint on outlaw in Dragonflight

[fossil forge]

35?

[vale pine]

25

[left ledge]

25

[fossil forge]

and ss is

[left ledge]

Quarter your damn energy for a feint

[fossil forge]

Yea very big scam

[left ledge]

“We need more damage”

Guess I can’t feint

[fossil forge]

xdd

[icy mulch]

Just gotta get that backstab cast out

[vale pine]

think of it like this

[fossil forge]

Imagine vial gave 25 energy

Vial feint combo would be real

[vale pine]

feint costs 2.5 sec of energy regeneration

yet many healer will tell you you should use it on cooldown

[tepid trellis]

they should lower the dr to like 30% and make not cost anything

[fossil forge]

Th,, tech

[icy mulch]

And the holy paladin should autumn me on cooldown but suddenly I’m the villain

[vale pine]

crimson vial is also energy

[fossil forge]

Imagine If it wasnt and it gave energy 💔

[lucid jackal]

Feint is so fucking broken in raid I do not want them to nerf or adjust it at all

[vale pine]

which means, our defensive/sustain actively trades off offensive power

[north schooner]

imagine if crimson vial was auto-consumed when you dropped below 30% health

[fossil forge]

Now we are just asking for too much

[lucid jackal]

Pre dimmy nerf, and even on nexus king, having effectively 0 CD on one of the best generic defensives is so valuable

Watching so many classes struggle to live, and just taking 0 damage the entire fight is so nice

[warm marlin]

thoughts on max saying rogue is squishy?

[lucid jackal]

I mean it depends on the mehcanic

Like P3 dimmy is kinda rough but its a tradeoff

Ur immortal most of the time

Sometimes ur in hell

[sullen hare]

we don't do well with rot damage but we do fine with big chunky hits

[warm marlin]

wait how is p3 dimmy bad

ive never been even close to dying (post nerf obv)

[north schooner]

depends, some rot damage still counts as aoe

[warm marlin]

like it doesnt work on quake but you can just cheat all the hard overlaps with shadowstep

and everything else it works on no?

[north schooner]

yes

[lucid jackal]

Rings dont work on feint

[north schooner]

maybe the other way around

[warm marlin]

ya but u step them like a gamer

[fossil forge]

steppin on dk 💯

[hazy breach]

Rogue is either insanely squishy or completely immortal

Just 50/50 depends on if youre defensives work or not

[tropic pier]

does atrophic poison still stack if you have 2 rogues using it

[hazy breach]

No

[tropic pier]

oh, when was it changed?

[lilac stag]

I’m shocked at how low or how high (or both) the HP pools of rogue vs fury. Almost 2.2 million more health at same ilvl.

[hazy breach]

Sometime mid undermine

[azure mauve]

they do if you aint a noob

[sick jackal]

vial on cd never press feint still

more dmg

[grand quest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hb1xVYwzy9mt8JKQ?fight=19&type=healing&options=49156&ability=392388
why do logs show both with atrophic still does it split it or? or just logs being iffy with DR

[wild veldt]

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grand quest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hb1xVYwzy9mt8JKQ?fight=20&type=healing&phase=1&options=49158&ability=392388&start=10535914&end=10566452
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hb1xVYwzy9mt8JKQ?fight=19&type=healing&options=49156&ability=392388&phase=1&start=9426486&end=9457684

it for sure stacks or

[proper sierra]

hey is there a sub here that can help me and has a minute? I do something fundamentally wrong, I think. But I have no clue what. My Coup de Grace is super low

[hazy breach]

If you trust the function on logs that says its under construction and might not work fully yeah

But when i checked damage numbers a month or so ago it wasnt being reduced

[lilac stag]

Use !log and post there.

[proper sierra]

!log

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8qzZ4kDg6V2MbQtR?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=306

[mental kettle]

ty for the help wtih my pepega brain last week. on reprog of araz im now doing decent

and lining up things correctly xddd

i mean reclear

xdd

[golden lark]

What are some good m+ team comps for sub rogue?
I've only tried
BM monk, resto shaman, warr, feral druid, sub rogue
but idk if there might be a better option

[chrome palm]

you ever miss the soak on dimensius cheat death does something funny

oh wait this is a melee

[icy mulch]

200m cheat on a melee swing

[chrome palm]

just dodge 4head

surely a bug in the logs

[azure mauve]

prot warr (bshout), rsham (skyfury), havoc(funnel cause you are a pad aoe spec, chaos brand), x(usually a frost dk), sub rogue

[elder pebble]

Im curious how trinkets are used when you have araz and prism

[golden lark]

Oo I'll check it out, thanks!

[hazy breach]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[plush glen]

do u pop big momma pull or amp?

[azure mauve]

adds need to die as well

[wicked urchin]

Pull + Second amp usually lines up

[azure mauve]

i wouldnt hold unless you are holding for like 10 secs

[pure jay]

would love any feedback available

[placid elk]

was antena shadowfixed? i feel like the orbs pick-up is way more reliable today

[timber basalt]

is it accurate to measure my ilvl parse for normal pug kills or should I just manually check to see if my timeline looks good since my ilvl parses are rly bad but when I look at my timeline nothing really jumps out other than maybe a missed supercharger sectec and 1 shadow dance window unused. Im thinking of just sending it in heroic with my guild but I parse so much higher with assa rn even though I know its not as useful as sub on later fights. I can post an example log if needed

[stoic reef]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[wicked urchin]

Post example?

[timber basalt]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qf1CpngxGJTc7Nm4?fight=36&type=casts&source=10&view=timeline

[wicked urchin]

@timber basalt pm'd

[hot creek]

hello sorry to bother, I think I'm not understanding how Evisc gets into coup, it says 4 strikes with unseen blades, unseen blades says it strikes passively with backstab and shadowstrike, but in some openers i cant have more than 3 stacks of Escalating blade ... anyone to inform me on how it works ?

[scarlet oyster]

how can I check "crit from enemies" in a log, I don't see any on damages taken / damages done by enemies

[lucid jackal]

Your tier set can trigger UB twice

[hot creek]

Twice yes, but sometimes I'm ending my rotation with 3 stacks, and I've no coup available

[spring pumice]

!log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DnXR7A3r6Lq2ygJh?fight=42&type=damage-done&source=21 looking for some pointers. I have a feeling im doing alright as sub in raids after some fights but still parsing badly. I must be doing some things wrong without being aware of it.

[lucid jackal]

that can also happen

[hot creek]

and then the dmg burst drops from 15M to 10M or something ?

[icy mulch]

Can be ya

[hot creek]

on my last fractilus down im doing only 1 coup in the opener because i couldnt get a 4th stack, the dmg burst is just fked from this and fk parsing ?

thats sadge

[icy mulch]

Slot machine spec

[hot creek]

🙁 okok at least im not doing things so wrong

[warm marlin]

Gotta do the cheese cuh

No variance

[hot creek]

what is this cheese

[lucid jackal]

Every spec in wow has variance so

[warm marlin]

!cheese

[wicked jolt]

Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.

• Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
  NOT Recommended - Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully.
• Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
  Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than 1% damage gain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.

[warm marlin]

Second one guarantees coup in tfd

Gotta do it every wipe though! Please fix blozar

[hot creek]

Ah ye i read this earlier already but saw not recommended so didnt pay attention so much

I do the first cheese alrdy

ty for info guys !!

[spring pumice]

how does the coup refund warning bar WA from the wa list work btw? I dont really understand what it does but im curious

[dusk stone]

for loomithar at what point does nimble flurry cleave

[karmic harbor]

Coup hits 3 times and has a 1.2s gcd, if you get 7 shadow technique stacks by the time its finished you'll get a refund and the lines on the bar are each coup hit

[woeful barn]

Step to the middle of the web wall and hit both adds

[spring pumice]

oh shit yeah ive had sometimes where i have 6 stacks, use coup and assume i have to cast another shadowstrike only to give me a delayed refund

[gaunt bluff]

does anyone know if it's possible to check how many prism stacks is someone buffed by on warcraftlogs?

[native zodiac]

yeah

buffs > latent energy

and it shows you

[shadow lance]

God damn that kill timer

T_T

20 sec later would have been awesome

[main stratus]

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406266615619784765/suble.webp

[arctic scroll]

broskis

do we keep the disc or is a craft enough to replace it ?

talking on a fight like salahdar mythic

[lilac stag]

sim it. Your other gear will impact it

[shadow lance]

Interesting

[lilac stag]

717 was the point the crit mastery from raid was even for me. I’ll take the stam and less rng thank you.

[shadow lance]

MM belt was an upgrade second week for me

Not big but 0.5%

[mental shore]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gnDfxhdPaQYbCJz8?fight=7&type=casts&source=20&view=timeline

why shuriken storm?

[shadow lance]

And nerf soon

[shadow lance]

Not waste UB

[hazy breach]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[shadow lance]

And he had enough sht stacks to be sure to coup -> coup

And send a screenshot with the log so we know wich part is concerned. I assume it was this one

[mental shore]

yes

asking why he did shuriken after the shadow blades + secret

[shadow lance]

I answered you

[mental shore]

i see

[shadow lance]

Perfect then

If you understand what I tried to say

[mental shore]

what sht means

for sure i know ub is unseen blade

[shadow lance]

Shadow techniques

[mental saffron]

Anyone else experiencing these hidden blade hits that does not give Escalating Blade stack?

The Escalating blade is the purple bars in the middle right of my screen

[hazy breach]

Im confused what you mean

Youre only getting 1 unseen blade proc in the clip

[arctic scroll]

wondering, if i cast my cold blood st at then end of my shadow dance, does it keep the damage amp from sd and dm when my shadow dance ends ?

[hazy breach]

No

[arctic scroll]

bruh

they you never have time to send another st at the end of the first dance ?

or am i missing critical information

[hazy breach]

What buffs you have active at the time the clone hits determines how much damage it does

You can send sectech the last second and then dance again

[arctic scroll]

dont you lose out a lot due to dance macabre being down then

[hazy breach]

Yes but no

Because using sectech earlier is important to proc more unseen blades and coups

[brazen meadow]

!tea

[wicked jolt]

Thistle tea use:
It is recommended to macro Thistle Tea with Shadow Dance like this:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```

[arctic scroll]

Then another quick question

I sadly still didnt get an araz forge

I still use a lily instead alongside a prism

Am i stupid for thinking this totally fucks me ?

[hazy breach]

Its fine

[arctic scroll]

How fine are we talking about cuz when i look at other subs who perform ebtter than me thats the main difference, logs are nezrly the same otherwise

Idk how i could get better at playing the class in terms of cds and such

[hazy breach]

You can sim yourself to find out

[arctic scroll]

Sils aint too reliable for double uses arent they ?

[hazy breach]

They are

[arctic scroll]

Aight i just suck then

[empty plume]

you could post a !log and someone might be able to identify mistakes that you are not noticing

[bitter halo]

My finishing moves seem to be parred quite a bit, is that normal or am I lacking in a secondary stat?

[smoky tide]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[arctic scroll]

!log

[dusk stone]

ive had tanks ask me twice to do all 6 soaks in priory 1st boss

[livid hamlet]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[dusk stone]

doesnt the super immunity only cover the dot from 1 of them

[hazy breach]

You definitely cannot take all 5

[dusk stone]

2nd boss i mean but ye

[woven ruin]

is it ever apporitate to consume second coup with low cp

[dusk stone]

thats what i thought

[hazy breach]

Ye just send it

[dusk stone]

so the first is immuned

what happens after that for next 4

[woven ruin]

we can send it all the time with little to no impact like outlaw wqith low cp or nah?

[hazy breach]

You can soak one natty with feint, then soak a second and pop cloak to immune it

[arctic scroll]

You have to take them first and then cos

[hazy breach]

But you cant really reliably do more than that

[dusk stone]

oh so i was right its just people being dumb

[hazy breach]

Yep

[arctic scroll]

If you have elusiveness you feint and evasion take 3 then cos

[dusk stone]

cloak doesn't work on subsequent soaks

[hazy breach]

But obviously during dance you wont be at like 5 cp, its just outside dance

[arctic scroll]

It removes the dot doesnt prevent them from being applied

[hazy breach]

And at that point youre mostly interested in the cdr anyway

[mental saffron]

@hazy breach Sorry, went AFK for some mins, what do you mean? You see i have 2 unseen procs ready at the start of the clip

[hazy breach]

From what

[dusk stone]

second question why are people asking rogues to take 5 soaks to begin with

[supple verge]

You can immune with the 1s of super immunity

But yea I've never been asked to soak all

[hazy breach]

It does prevent it from being applied. Its just the first second of cloak that does it

Not the last 4

[dusk stone]

ive had two seperate tanks on two diff days ask me to do it so im guessing thats coming from somewhere

[hazy breach]

But the knockback makes it impossible to soak more than like 2, or 3 at most

[dusk stone]

yeah that was my 2nd thought

[supple verge]

It's kind of atypical to actually have a difference between the super immunity/regular cloak immunity

They prob just assume it works cuz it usually does

[hazy breach]

Even soaking two was sketchy during last season, but i was mostly playing assa so as sub it would probably be fine

[supple verge]

There's like that soak and araz this tier?

[plush roost]

What my group does it put boss inside soak somewhat, then tank takes 1. I take 3 and cloak with shadowsteps and tank takes last after

[dusk stone]

oh you eat multiple and then super immune the dot

[hazy breach]

Yeah but eating 2 or more is insanely dangerous in higher keys

[plush roost]

Ye you can take 2 cloak and then step the third

[warm marlin]

cloak will cleanse the dot and then you can use the 1s immune to eat another

[plush roost]

^

[hazy breach]

The step tech makes it easier for sure

[warm marlin]

but gotta be relatively certain you wont just die trying to get the last 1s off

[dusk stone]

sounds unreasonable in a pug though

this was just in a 15 so

[mental saffron]

@hazy breach Check DMs when you can

[plush roost]

Ye we usually rotate slt amz darkness rally

[hazy breach]

Why would you have 2 unseen blades ready

Its probably just a WA issue

[mental saffron]

Cause you get from Secret tech?

[hazy breach]

Link the log

[mental saffron]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TnVm8AFBGKpRDrYj?fight=1&type=damage-done

[hazy breach]

@warm marlin I was thinking about the "missing globals in dance" thing you mentioned a while back and decided to look at people doing sectech > blades like the old days to see how many of them actually got their "extra gcd" of blades off by using it after blades

Out of the 30 blades windows i checked on fractilus top logs doing it, how many do you think actually got the extra gcd

[warm marlin]

im afraid of the answer

[hazy breach]

2

[warm marlin]

[arctic scroll]

Another stupid question

[warm marlin]

im sure i would be included in the noobies

i press blades way too soon after sectec

[arctic scroll]

Why when my shadow dance is about to end and i throw one last shadowstrike, i hear the sound, there s an animation but it doesnt go through

[hazy breach]

You backstabbed twice after sectech

[hazy breach]

Yeah but with the coup gcd its almost impossible to do it now

The window is insanely tight

[warm marlin]

ive been thinking about a sectec blades macro

it just upsets me

[hazy breach]

Except you cant macro your way out of it

[warm marlin]

just perfect timing your macro press to not lose any blades time while also not losing a dance gcd!

easy peasy

(please fix coup god i beg)

[deft igloo]

Hi, I'm fairly new to Subtlety and I'm trying to understand the rotation and was hoping someone might be able to help me out, I have a log to show - I was comparing my damage breakdown to other sub rogues at my ilvl and noticed that their coup de grace damage was far higher at a similar number of casts and their eviscerate casts were lower than mine too

Here's the log:https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rCPp4xqK2jctMkhT?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=7

Any help is appreciated

[hazy breach]

If you get 4 coups in blades you would have to use it inbetween 0.8 and 0.99s after your sectech, assuming you have literally 0 delay inbetween every other global

When sims says its the same to just use it before instead, which has 0 risk of losing out on that global

[warm marlin]

well that depends

how are you using it before

because you have to use it at most 0.2s before

or am i cooked

it should work both ways right

[hazy breach]

Yeah but thats easier than using it exactly 0.8s after

[mental saffron]

If you have time for a 2 min screen share ill show you the whole clip. My hidden count should be correct and does not give the escalated stack @hazy breach

[warm marlin]

Ive been doing the flag sectec thing on dimensius

rate the macro

[hazy breach]

Again, the log shows exactly what you did

You casted 2 backstabs after your sectech

[warm marlin]

cant have delay this way!

[hazy breach]

So you do not have any disorienting strikes

[mental saffron]

I get 2 from my secret tech, and then my 20 sec icd comes back on top of that

Which should be 3

[hazy breach]

The disorienting strikes goes before the regular one

[warm marlin]

i will not drop a gcd (i was 0.08s off dropping a gcd)

[hazy breach]

The ones i marked with red are disorienting, the other is from the natty proc

Also idk how youre tracking that you had the natty one ready, as its impossible for a WA to tell when thousand cuts procs

[warm marlin]

honestly im more impressed that any got it

thats some pretty precise timing

gamers

[mental saffron]

it tracks if my natty is ready if you dont proc one in 20 sec

[hazy breach]

But you did

[mental saffron]

You are not even looking at the correct time

[hazy breach]

Is your clip not 1:30 into the fight

[mental saffron]

Would be alot easier to just show you this over screen share if you wanted to see the whole lineup

[hazy breach]

I dont want to

[mental saffron]

But i cant see there being a bug in the WA rewatching it 15 times

[hazy breach]

Because the logs clearly show its your WA thats being wrong

Not the game

[warm marlin]

dimmy dies tonight 10% pull with both mages dead for all of execute

live one more mechanic and boss kaboom

[hazy breach]

They blink into the planets when theyre trying to dodge the rings?

Thats a classic mage move

[warm marlin]

one did

supposedly one was an arcane missiles turning the character incident

[short radish]

thats my favorite

especially on nexus king

[chrome palm]

Plz wait for us to kill thnx

[warm marlin]

no!

(typing this while holding damage)

[graceful rock]

how difficult is it to acquire bubbling wax?

[short radish]

i spent 20 minutes farming some time in season 1

and im still using that stash

[lilac stag]

How do mages die?

[short radish]

by not pressing one of their 6 defensives

also not having a shiimmer charge and they unbound their movement abilities

[hazy breach]

Defensives wont prevent you from being slurped on dimmy

[chrome palm]

I have to hold a dance on both platforms

Just fuck my shit up fam

[north schooner]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TnVm8AFBGKpRDrYj?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=19&ability=441144&view=events&pins=0%24Separate%24%2354bdff%24auras-gained%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24441786^0%24Separate%24%23ff9500%24casts%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24441776&start=169914&end=198776 each UB proc came with a gain of an EB stack in the time frame of your clip. Clearly the WA got confused somehow

[mental saffron]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9bWP6nQJ2Hf18mkM?fight=5&type=damage-done

Was the wrong log

[ripe flame]

sorry is this to fit the 2nd sectec on the amp?

[warm marlin]

its to sync blades with flag better

[ripe flame]

to avoid losing gcds?

[warm marlin]

well the macro is to avoid dropping gcds yes but im skipping rupture on the platforms to get blades up earlier in amp

dont want to flag rupture start of amp

[north schooner]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9bWP6nQJ2Hf18mkM?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=16&ability=441144&view=events&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24441776^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24441786^0%24Separate%24%23a04D8A%24casts%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%2453&start=797859&end=817583 same here all seems normal

[ripe flame]

so basically flag into the whole cds + the first sectech into pargoth just to be able to use them as the amp starts on p3?

I'm guessing this is a no autumn thing

[mental saffron]

@north schooner

[warm marlin]

yes

[ripe flame]

I'll yoink that to prac, thank you

[mental saffron]

The WA tracks everything correctly all the way, let me know if you see any proc that is not tracking correctly from this @north schooner

[hazy breach]

Youre proccing your natty backstab at 1:13

Then you use 2 disorienting strikes

Then when you backstab at 1:31, you havent gotten a reset, which is unlucky, but not impossible

[limber folio]

so i dont have any p2 logs for dim but, does my cast timeline look fine here? sure ive looked at lorrgs but i just want someone who >>>actually<<<< plays sub who could tell https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L8FZXAqxVd7Qb1Cv?fight=54&type=casts&source=24&view=timeline

[hazy breach]

Then when you backstab at 1:36, you have waited the 20s and you have it

Im guessing, like i said before, that your WA thinks you use the natty procs over the disorienting ones, but that is not the case

[dusk stone]

!defensives

!defensive

[hazy breach]

!def

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[north schooner]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9bWP6nQJ2Hf18mkM?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=16&ability=441144&view=events&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24casts%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24441776^0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%24-1%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24true%24441786&start=771655&end=827789 you can see for yourself that every single UB proc is preceded by an EB stack (yellow pin) except for the double proc at 1:17 where you overcap EB

[hazy breach]

Like say you go into a boss with disorienting up, the first strike you do does not start the 20s timer, because its using disorienting strikes, not the regular unseen blade

[graceful crown]

has anyone tested it out in pve and seen good results?

does it los packs in m+? does it help like old smoke bomb

nvm i read some comments on outlaw, it doesnt los

[hazy breach]

It does literally nothing besides what it says

And what it says it does is completely useless

Since we already get fazed on all targets with sectech during dance anyway

[graceful crown]

yeah... sad

would've been cool to have smokebomb again

[north schooner]

they really though that this is a good trade for losing 10% fazed finisher crit chance

[graceful crown]

yeah it's crazy that it's a choice node with something that is just vastly superior

i thought mb if it worked like smoke bomb it'd be a nice trade off for like

LoSing things

but i'm clearly mistaking

[hidden shadow]

stupid question here whats what triggers full cp after a finishing move and is there a way to track it?

[umbral fulcrum]

shadowcraft

[strange harness]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[hidden shadow]

thx

[strange harness]

why do u use backstab after using shadow dance?

instead of shadowstrike

[tribal blade]

so weird, it's showing i'm equipped 1 ilvl lower

[lucid jackal]

a combo of premed, and danse mecab

[tribal blade]

but i'm wearing all my highest ilvl gear

and nothing i'm wearing is upgradable for free

nvm i figured it out

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-are-you-sure-gif-25610993

[tribal blade]

I'M STUPID

forgot i have 714 boots in my bank that i got to upgrade my hero hunters boots for free

[lilac stag]

How was your vault?

[tribal blade]

really bad

got +3 ilvls on crafted belt

[lilac stag]

Bummer

[tribal blade]

kinda crazy to have that bad a vault with x3 raid options and x3 M+ options

[lilac stag]

Stop hanging out with guy

Bad vault mojo

[tribal blade]

reeee

it's been a while since i've had a string of bad vaults like this though

my vaults have been generally mostly good the past 2-3 tiers

[wispy crystal]

At what ilevel belt did you guys replace the Season 2 one?

[tribal blade]

sim it

[wispy crystal]

A 723 is only a 0.3% increase over the 701

[gleaming locust]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:

• If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
• If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
• If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.

[lilac stag]

Our raid loot has been horrendous

I think I’ve legit just gotten the daggers

[wispy crystal]

Yes I changed the belt ilevel with crit / mastery to 723 and it's about a 0.3 to 0.4% increase

[tribal blade]

we've actually gotten 0 myth daggers

[tribal blade]

mine let me replace the belt at like 701 with a socket

and i haven't looked back

i like having more stam

i'm not a believer in equipping lower ilvl gear that has stam for marginal dps increase

more stam=more living

more living=more prism

[lilac stag]

I got forge this week. So that was nice.

[tribal blade]

DAMN

i still don't have forge

i felt so bad i just bought the boe myth chest from raid

so this week i get a meaningful +1%

[lilac stag]

I’m tempted to buy a chest

[tribal blade]

i have enough gold where it's alright to do

[lilac stag]

But I’ve got about 90 crests of upgrades I still need to do on current gear so

May as well wait

[tribal blade]

nice nice

[wispy crystal]

You could be on to something here.

More stam gaming has got to be the way to go here

Well time to swap over then!

[tribal blade]

it also reduces the rng of the belt

you're not tied to it proccing during cds

[gleaming plank]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wispy crystal]

True that. Just no idea why it's simming higher. May be in a perfect 5min patchwork fight. Which is often not the case

[left ledge]

ETHICAL BOSS DAMAGE DOER

[lucid jackal]

[umbral fulcrum]

is there some mistake i'm making to get stuck at 3 unseen blade procs in my opener until my 2nd sectec

[left ledge]

is this on dimmy

did you just steal my r1 boss

[lucid jackal]

ya its dim

think I got 3rd overall

[left ledge]

how much was your p1

i think that may be where you gapperino'd me

boss was too low got -1 dance in p1

this my p1

kinda on the lower end of what ive usually done

this was the pull before that

[wraith sphinx]

What's the secret to doing hot insane numbers on dimmy

[lucid jackal]

ended p3 at 7.2

[left ledge]

oh yeah

jeez

your p1 is like 500k higher

p1 so rng i feel

esp if you dont land coups on pull then get a gravity

thats a angle

[lucid jackal]

Im using ending at the top but yeah it can be a bit swingy

[cyan cobalt]

aug is just busted or

[lucid jackal]

I prism p1 as well fwiw

[cyan cobalt]

same

then hold for burn

platforms just fkin melt nowadays

[lucid jackal]

use 13 use 14 no think

[bleak night]

[sullen hare]

[lucid jackal]

seems to be working for me :)

[left ledge]

oh what

did you 18 stack burn then

or forge it

i was thinking about just doing classic forge-prism-forge-prism

[cyan cobalt]

i always 18 stacked burn, felt better honestly

[chrome palm]

@warm marlin its so over for you

[warm marlin]

im gonna

explode

grats though

[left ledge]

i mean

if you send prism off cd

and forge burn

you can do 9-18-18

[lucid jackal]

NO LOL

[left ledge]

[lucid jackal]

caps

I dont get autmn so idc about optimizing the burn

[left ledge]

ah

[lucid jackal]

Might be wrong but boss dies

[left ledge]

so you have to send giga early on platform 2

[cyan cobalt]

fast flying into 1st global flag

fun fun fun

[left ledge]

yeah this time i delayed the flag

by 4 seconds

[cyan cobalt]

holy moly

adventurous

[left ledge]

but i get autumn

[warm marlin]

autumn PIGS

[cyan cobalt]

autumn is goated

imagine not having a hpal

[warm marlin]

just say you cant dragonride lil gup

[left ledge]

oh woulkd you get 4 prism pops by doing off cd

[cyan cobalt]

i almost beat the npc there wdym xd

[left ledge]

wait actually idek

[grim cedar]

should I build more crit instead of vers to have a better performance on single boss

[restive mauve]

!first dance

[lucid jackal]

Just sim and use what sims highest

[hazy breach]

Not sure what youd want a command about tfd to say or explain

You play sub the same way with or without tfd

[left ledge]

IM FULL MASTERY

ULTIMATE GAMBLE

like 115% mastery or some shit

[restive mauve]

What do people think about taking the First Dance talent? If you pick First Dance and fit in two Secret Techniques during your first Shadow Dance, is it definitely stronger? Why is it that when I practice on the training dummy, Weaponmaster still makes my Secret Technique hit harder? I only tested it up until the end of Flagellation, and that’s how it turned out.

[charred kestrel]

Weaponmaster doesn’t have anything to do with sec tech tho?

[whole patio]

Is Warpclaw trink any good? Only vault option I got that isn't a dupe ><

sim says it's even with so'leah (hero)

[hazy breach]

Weaponmaster is atrocious, its effectively +15% damage to shadowstrike and backstab

And maybe a dozen combo points across a long fight

[woven ruin]

should be good on longer fights?

[hazy breach]

Moreso tfd being bad on longer fights

And If you end up storming a bunch wm loses most of its value

[ornate lake]

Is it worth to spend 500K gold to get the mythic waist boe from auction to replace the 701 belt?

[short radish]

sure

i wouldnt

but sure why not

[steel sierra]

On M Salad, can you cloak the ghosts to avoid MC if you fail to face one?

[restive mauve]

Then isn’t Weaponmaster better for raids?

[lucid jackal]

No

Other than like, maybe dim

[heady drum]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[heady drum]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[heady drum]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[tranquil pollen]

!atro

[wicked jolt]

Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

[pine mirage]

During nexus platform

do we send bp or only bp outside dance

and evis during flag/dance window

[maiden oar]

do u need to do any sort of extra hold or anything without autumn?

our hpal is retiring

or if u just fly really fast and slam 1st global is it ok

and see winds on plat 2

[lucid jackal]

Just evis

Only titan damage matters

[lucid jackal]

Nope

Just fly very fast, have full cp for when u fly to platform 2

Flag go

Ur probably gonna miss Ur 2nd sectec in the weakness

[pine mirage]

sick that makes it even easier lol

Im walkin in and doing one quick storm, spreading couple ruptures then going into flag

just wasnt sure if i needed to bp

or natty evis

ty guy

[maiden oar]

sob sob

hopefully we get a new autumn gamer

but yea not too bad then

[pine mirage]

am i getting trolled by not getting autumn btw?

[lucid jackal]

On nexus? Not really

But on dimensius it's more troll to not get autmn

[pine mirage]

Gotcha so fight rl for autumn

[warm marlin]

flag insta blades sectec

i was doing it on both plats because we were holding on plat1 anyway

but doing normal flag rupture will cost you blades gcds in the damage amp

you can have flag/blades 1s away from coming up when amp starts

and get cb sectec + 3 more gcds

[maiden oar]

ty ty

[warm marlin]

you have to hold cb sectec a lot on the plats to hit the adds though

its a bit cursed

[maiden oar]

yeah i started delaying 2nd dance on plat 2 a bit

on plat 1 i take a very slow and ethical route so i just flag insta and it hits the guys

bc one time i had a weird camera angle and the back end of a meteor clipped me when it was off my screen and now im paranoid

[warm marlin]

yea cant do that either

full send it

[maiden oar]

oh

ok

tyty

[warm marlin]

well maybe plat1 u can be a bit careful

flag comes up like 2s before i cast it

[tepid trellis]

All gas No brakes

[maiden oar]

yea p1 -> 2 im a speed demon

dimmy -> p1 im a bit of a coward

[warm marlin]

but you need super fast plat2 flying

[maiden oar]

im always first guy at plat 2 until our druid started using flight form

now im like tied with him

sometimes i win sometimes i dont

[short radish]

@warm marlin time to join you in the no autumn corner

not what i wanted to get dm'd by my hpal today

[lucid jackal]

I dont get autmn and I got rank 3 today

and rank 1 boss damage

[short radish]

yeah but im stupid

[maiden oar]

@lucid jackal did u change anything due to not getting final flag in p3 in terms of on uses if u dont mind me asking (if u want to keep the tech secret its ok)

i wasnt looking at boss hp on the kill and i was poolign for big 9:30 flag and he just instantly died

so i think i absolutely dont do that

and definitely shouldve dumped symbols more aggressively

[tepid trellis]

you would just delay your 2nd cds for a decent high prism count

and send it

[maiden oar]

oh ok

is it not worth to go like patchwerk trinket sequence

and do something at 1:30

[upbeat pulsar]

Hi friends, I'm learning Sub and having trouble finding an intuitive keybinds. Can any of you share your setup?

[tepid trellis]

well not if you wont get third xD

you loose out on the big prism

[maiden oar]

yeah i guess so

i saw some logs do like

forge
9prism
forge
18prism
forge
18prism

and boss die

but idk if thats actually good or they just highrolled

and werent punished

[tepid trellis]

well yeah if the kill timer is like 10+min

[maiden oar]

no it was like 9m

they forged amp

[tepid trellis]

so just nothing on platform 2?

that seems

[maiden oar]

18 on plat 2

9 stsck prism phase 1

forge platform 1

18 stacker platform 2

[tepid trellis]

seems worse of actual parsing

for*

[maiden oar]

yea i didnt get why

but a few ppl are doing that

so maybe they know stuff i dont

[tepid trellis]

could be fine depending on push timings

[lucid jackal]

U can either do normal patchwork or u can do forge nothing prism forge prism

[maiden oar]

yeah i did 2nd one

[tepid trellis]

if stop dps in p1 you can psuedo forge twice in p1

[maiden oar]

but it felt weird in p3 with my kt

[tepid trellis]

with cds

[strange chasm]

Wait guy on dim are you sending the stacked prism on p2 2nd ad

And then forge on the amp

[lucid jackal]

I am literally doing use 13 use 14

So burn is forge

[maiden oar]

oh ok

do u have m forge

[strange chasm]

Every cd set lmao

[lucid jackal]

Nope!

[maiden oar]

oh huh

i see

[lucid jackal]

Heroic forge mythic prism

[maiden oar]

i was hesitant to do it bc heroic forge

maybe i could see how that is

thanks

fights insanely fun btw

[patent crystal]

Im doing orbs : )

[maiden oar]

i love this game im so happy i picked it up

wish i started playing sooner

[maiden oar]

do u think its good or bad to not coup on 2nd conquerors cross in platform 2

ive been doing it and sending an extra symbols to farm sht for burn

but im not sure if its correct bc alot of other people dont play it like that

[lucid jackal]

I go into every platform with like, literally full CDs

[maiden oar]

oh ok

maybe i should pool coup into platform 2 also

i was just doing it into amp

[lucid jackal]

Like idk the spec is intuitive to me so idk how to articulate decisions I kinda just play and it works

[maiden oar]

yeah im doing that but idk how to check myself after

i do stuff and idk if im right or wrong bc im new

[lucid jackal]

I dont think about coup at all

if that helps

[maiden oar]

so its hard to improve sometimes

i see

so far i just copy ppl and try to guess why they do something but its still just guessing

appreciate it btw

[tepid trellis]

not even 12 hours since i absolutely fucked over soulbinder and ive gotten about a dozens dms asking me about it, when its literally just "dance with adds" and a raid comp that doesent AoE that well xD

[plush roost]

ahhhhhhh

[tepid trellis]

most stuff is alot simpler than they think

[maiden oar]

i was r1 for all dps on soulbinder for a bit

i actually did get dms about it

[vagrant sinew]

do you want lost ark dm instead

[tepid trellis]

i did 11mil yesterday

[maiden oar]

idk why people would ask me im clueless

so cool

[tepid trellis]

sometimes id rather yeah

[maiden oar]

stronger than me

my lost ark question: when are they bringing back swift eo

[tepid trellis]

take away his PI and it wouldve been mine

[maiden oar]

i have a 9/7 that is not optimal for t4 spec eo and if i return to the game idk if i use it or not

need swift eo

[vagrant sinew]

lucky for you china just gota gacha system yesterday that gives you a selectable 97 so now just wait until we get it here!

[maiden oar]

i felt so cool

[maiden oar]

wahoo!

maybe if i pick up lost ark again i play ew deadeye or reaper

i think they dont know what to do with soulfist now

[tepid trellis]

dont play reaper

save yourself the pain

(i play it)

[maiden oar]

i like pain i played swift eo

[tepid trellis]

reaper is pure cbt

[maiden oar]

u press h3 boss does non timed afk pattern

50s zdps

wahoo!

i am sure reaper wouldnt make me as mad

but yea maybe its enhanced weapon angle

[tepid trellis]

hunger is mostly fine just gives carpal tunnel

[maiden oar]

is deadeye still an autodecline class

also do the current events let u get to lv70 really fast i want to keep my names before merge

i have some good ones

[tepid trellis]

lunar does good dmg, just make sure to never ever ever miss back attack or your ark passive doesent work and hope blunt thorn doesent spit on you and you are extremely backloaded but an uptime class

[lucid jackal]

Literally lol

Just do the rotation

No coup maxing

Just play da video game

[vagrant sinew]

yeah theres xp pots that get you insta to 70 on event char

[maiden oar]

phew

[tepid trellis]

most fun i have atm is probably on striker

[maiden oar]

i do this and sometimes i get great results and sometimes i dont and i dont know how to figure out if its variance or a misplay alot of the time

[tepid trellis]

but that shit is ehm maybe a tad bit overtuned

[maiden oar]

i see

tyty

[tepid trellis]

hit 95qual on wep on it last night

from 75 its about to get real

[vagrant sinew]

how much combat power was it

[maiden oar]

i guess i should just play more

[tepid trellis]

i didn't check xD

but it almost 1600 now

[maiden oar]

and ill probably just get better results from practice

[tepid trellis]

elixirs is keeping the power down

[maiden oar]

since its like my 2nd season raiding maybe hours logged is most important

[lucid jackal]

I need to make a new block of text that just explains sub

[maiden oar]

i just wanna get good enough to kill unnerfed endboss one day

[lucid jackal]

Its a very easy spec to overthink

But there is honestly 0 thinking needed

[maiden oar]

ok ill read it if u do

[tepid trellis]

time to 7 day raid and play top 10

chop chop

[lucid jackal]

hey

We dont raid 7 day

Only 5

[maiden oar]

no i think im flat out not good enough

unnerfed nexus king skill checked.me

i need to improve first

[tepid trellis]

might as well be the same

fess up and add the extra 2

[maiden oar]

but i think if i improve maybe that could be enough

[vagrant sinew]

its ok man get help killed dimmy in 350 pulls theyre so good

my guild on 130 pulls and we killed nk same day

[maiden oar]

[tepid trellis]

im gonna watch you tonight

[vagrant sinew]

I forbid you

[maiden oar]

idk what a good amt of pulls is i just wanna play better and improve

only care about that

[tepid trellis]

good pull count on last boss is like ehm

150 or lower ish

[maiden oar]

oh ok yeah we did not have that amt

[tepid trellis]

depending on when you progged it

we did it in 144 and had 54 wipes pre nerf

[maiden oar]

270 hehe

i have alot to learn

[vagrant sinew]

was it the classic guild is playing well so were adding days?

at this rate hof might fill before turbo boost and then blizz will forget to close it again

[maiden oar]

we did 2 extra wednesdays but today it was bc we didnt win yesterday and before it was because someone had a schedule thing i forgot the details of

[vagrant sinew]

ah so its the classic we only add a day first month of the raid and last month of the raid

[maiden oar]

maybe!

i dont know whats classic and not classic

my raid exp was like world 1800 last tier and this guild this tier

so i believe u

tbh u could tell me anything is normal and id believe it

[teal prawn]

send stream

[tepid trellis]

3 days no overtime world rank 69 (i think that was what i got)

[vagrant sinew]

yeah once youre in hof on non insane tiers youre clearing like week 6-8

[maiden oar]

i see

[spiral marsh]

why wont m13's accept me what is this racism

[buoyant vault]

Random question: In Tazavesh: Streets, I recall being able to use Evasion for the Whirling Annihilation during the Grand Menagerie boss. I just died to it even though I had evasion up. Did this change recently?

[spiral marsh]

is rogue really hated that much

[tepid trellis]

if you get sucked in it can turn you in so killing you

[vagrant sinew]

its not my stream hes hatewatching my guild and I have to play with 0 pulls on boss because of absences

[tepid trellis]

couldve merc'd me out

i only showed up to our "raid" yesterday cuz i was bored

[vagrant sinew]

but I didnt push it further

[tepid trellis]

we dont officially start raiding until next week

[vagrant sinew]

theres an advance raider that might take my spot on dk but he has last 2 to kill first in a split

[tiny flare]

Hi guys, im looking to improve my DPS as a sub player. Any tips? I read the guide and such but how can I check where im making mistakes in my rotation? Something like hekili or wow analizer

[upbeat pulsar]

Compare your logs to good players gcd by gcd

[short radish]

yes

we provide almost 0 utility

tanks think we need constant restealthing so they hate us

[spiral marsh]

shroud of concealment is crazy utility

[short radish]

all we provide is damage but so does every other class

[spiral marsh]

racism fr

[tiny flare]

Im way too outdated xD How do i do that?

[vagrant sinew]

yeah I saw was also in a convo with officers same time

[upbeat pulsar]

look up some youtube vidoes on how to use warcraft logs it will help you alot

[tiny flare]

TY ill get to it right away

[tepid trellis]

"Remember to sign up for raid if you are interested after you wake up. Ofc only if you wanna play wow"

[vagrant sinew]

its ok we just kill in 10 pulls

someone trades me mount and we gdisband

I hope people have crests for this week so there isnt some 1% pull incidents

even if you can limp into a kill technically

[tiny flare]

Damn im a shitty rogue xD

https://wowanalyzer.com/character/US/Quel'Thalas/juanchio/

[tiny flare]

My apologies, I know it might be something obvious but no idea what you are pointing out. I believe is the partial support part. Right? I was checking on wowlogs too. And parse wise im below 10%

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/quelthalas/juanchio

[short radish]

yeah wowanalyser isnt really supported for sub rogue

it is a bit for assi though

but yeah your parses are also a bit doodoo

ecks dee

[vagrant sinew]

youre 700 ilvl with 0 enchants

[tiny flare]

Hahaha I agree i suck.

Enchant wise is outdate i enchanted and geared today. So i fixed that part.

Im looking mostly deep into learning the rotation. I feel thats where im failing the most.

[vagrant sinew]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[short radish]

youre pressing dance too much

and sectech too much

[tiny flare]

For real? I though it was supposed to be used on CD

[short radish]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[short radish]

get this macro

[short radish]

no

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[tiny flare]

Ok gonna read all 3 of em to figure out what im messing. Thanks so much Fimbul!

[short radish]

no wokkas

just read one

theyre all largly teh same

but you need to get your basics down

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[tiny flare]

Ok that explains so much. I was used to play assa and that thing is use energy and line CDs for DM+KB

So i have to decide WHEN to pop my CDs. For example in Dimensius, Adds wont be a big CD time (P1). right?

[short radish]

you want to make sure when you into your flag burst (1.5minutes) you have 1.5 shadow dances and 1.3 symbols up

[tiny flare]

Oh. I see. Ok that makes a ton of sense i was thinking i have to use the restless blades passive to get my CDs as a sort of prio. So I have to time stuff and wait for the right time to pop. And RB is just there to facilitate my down time.

[short radish]

kinda

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/nexusking-salhadaar?difficulty=heroic

i'd advise looking at this site

and seeing when people are popping things

even though sub seems like theres variance because of cdr

everyone largly presses things at teh same time

or at the least

the same amount of dances

[tiny flare]

OMG hahaha its such a stark contrast of how i play.

Thanks so much! Im gonna learn this asap and try to improve as best as I can. Really means a ton all the info provided.

[short radish]

np gl with it

[tribal blade]

/way 42.2 71.6 Mirecroak

WOAH

doxed

you're all doxed

[iron obsidian]

shit

[maiden oar]

what the

[topaz herald]

how do i make a thread so someone can look at my logs?

[olive remnant]

gotta !log.

[topaz herald]

!log

[normal wedge]

anyone have the coup WA that shows the duration of the swings?

[tepid trellis]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker
• Stealthi's Coup de Grace bar

[normal wedge]

you da best

[fleet acorn]

What buffs and debuffs do I Track with weakaura if I wanna do a ui myself, if I forget something: Tell me pls

Buffs/procs: shadow technique, Coup de grace, Symbols, Dance, trinkets

Debuffs: rupture, find weakness

[tepid trellis]

easier to just download a pack and see what they are tracking or like a youtube video of a kill or smth

[fleet acorn]

Yea should prob do that got any good ones ?

[short radish]

look 2 messages up from your first message

[pearl swan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/382738869591736330/1420658807343677481/image.png?ex=68d6331e&is=68d4e19e&hm=2eae4386f89bc819344f15ff8d8c94f9cba10b03e5ba37fbfeda5b769c98647c&

is this just a spell absorb

with fancy writing ?

or does it only block 'cosmic' specific dmg

[lucid jackal]

cosmic is any damage that isn't fire, or frost

And physical ofc

[maiden oar]

btw just as an aside this discord is so good

[vale pine]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_schools

[maiden oar]

insanely helpful channel

grateful for the ppl in it

[short radish]

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Magic_schools

reminder to not use the old wowpedia site

i didnt realise it was a rogue only thing though