but its my 2nd season doing real content
#subtlety
maiden oar
plush cove
ayyy, same
glass cape
Wow needs more duck content
plush cove
did normal amir
maiden oar
rn we are world 122
glass cape
Still waiting for my duck mount
maiden oar
idk when hof closes
fleet wharf
only 102 guilds that's killed dimmy, i thought hof was to 200?
maiden oar
bc people say 200 but theres like
short radish
Wow needs more duck content
you should have played in last season of DF
maiden oar
300 guilds in hof most times
glass cape
you should have played in last season of DF
I did it was amazing I got my duck knight
short radish
300 guilds in hof most times
because hof "closes" after the "200th" guild kills it
plush roost
Hof may not even close next week tbh dimmy isnt as easy as people make it seem
glass cape
Like the only raid achievement I've ever cared about
short radish
Hof may not even close next week tbh dimmy isnt as easy as people make it seem
it'll probably close in 2 weeks
in time for turbo boost
maiden oar
but remains open for the "rest of the week"
oh ok
plush roost
Yeah thats my idea
fleet wharf
are you guys excited to run 20 keys in 2 days?
short radish
so theres also the next week
maiden oar
hehe
plush roost
are you guys excited to run 20 keys in 2 days?
Crsts arent uncapped
maiden oar
thats kind of funny
short radish
are you guys excited to run 20 keys in 2 days?
store up runed crests
fleet wharf
Crsts arent uncapped
WHAT?
glass cape
Theyrs not going to uncapped crests in turbo?
maiden oar
i only did last tier post turbo boost and stakcing raid buff and i felt nothing when i got ce
glass cape
They did last time
plush cove
i think dimmys a fun boss though
yeah
maiden oar
but this time ill feelk something
plush cove
very cinematic
fleet wharf
no way they don't uncap crests. that'd be so fucking stupid
short radish
tbh
plush roost
I feel like theyre angling for a slow burn
short radish
if they uncap it
glass cape
If they dont im burning doen California
maiden oar
i think itd be polite of them if they like
maiden oar
uncapped crests 1 week and raised ilvl cap the week after
short radish
also turbo boost feels kinda early
maiden oar
so you could split up your farming a bit if you wanted
short radish
how early was it last tier?
short radish
oh
plush cove
wasn't it like 2 -3 monts
short radish
felt more than 2
fleet wharf
no, they're releasing legion remix the same they. if anything they'd squeeze in even more things to do on the same day. maybe release another tier of MOP classic raid
maiden oar
i remember like clearing my calendar the day turbo boost dropped and degen farming crests
short radish
but time is relative or something
maiden oar
and just killing sprocket for the first time that night and getting rank 1 unethically
plush cove
from what i've read, turbo boost will just be gear ilvl increase
plush cove
and dinars at 11.2.5
maiden oar
actual robbery
plush cove
or after that
maiden oar
like i think only 2 other guys also farmed as much as me
fleet wharf
like i think only 2 other guys also farmed as much as me
was that the patch where they accidentally applied the 5% patch twice or a diff one?
maiden oar
no i was on sin for sprocket
i was too cowardly to play sub
i think diff patch though
plush roost
Yeah the idea is that this is the point in the tier a lot of peple start getting gear walled and not crest walled, so by adding 6ilvl to everything they prevent that gear wall from occuring
maiden oar
but i think thats kinda evil and people like me shouldnt get rewarded for no life farming and scamming ppl
and they hsould just uncap crests 1 week and raise the ilvl the week after
to prevent incidents like that from occuring
maiden oar
yea but we are competing with rogues
plush roost
Just be me and hit god rng on H loomithar week 3 and do 6m ST
maiden oar
theres honor among thieves
plush cove
that's for outlaw no?
maiden oar
Yeah the idea is that this is the point in the tier a lot of peple start getting...
i think they do it too early but maybe thats a minority opinion
it made my first tier way less fun to just trivialize every hard boss except for stix (although stix wasnt a hard boss probably by the time we got there but u know what i mean)
glass cape
Also you saw the dagger rogue use rtb in the trailer because RTB will now be on the class tree. Youre welcome
maiden oar
and skip all the cool parts
glass cape
And it will be the best option for all 3 specs
maiden oar
ok i dont mind ill gamble
glass cape
Also we're going to turbo buffed death stalker cause yall not playing it enough
plush roost
Skull n crossbones is just 1 extra cp on sht
maiden oar
big money
plush roost
What would xbones be on assa hmmm
Blindside chance? But then itd have to be baseline
glass cape
Ruthelessmess
plush roost
Poison app thats goos
glass cape
Seal fate probably
plush roost
Yeah? Poggers
maiden oar
also duck if u dont like rogue as a xiv refugee u might like havoc or enhance
given the guys u liked in xiv
plush roost
I swear havoc is like
glass cape
I won't plsy oc illidan
plush roost
Every rogue players alt
maiden oar
it was mine but i decided to bvench him and make more rogues
i need to focus on rogue
glass cape
I have an enh
maiden oar
until i am satisfied with my rogue gameplay
glass cape
Ive also played wow since tbc I know things sometimes XD
maiden oar
Every rogue players alt
tbh mine would have been ww but i had to make a havoc alt due to roster issues last tier
glass cape
My problem with enh is the damage profilr
maiden oar
we lost our vdh and had no chaos brand for mugzee if i did not step up
and play havoc
glass cape
But enh was super fun s1
maiden oar
whats wrong w the profile
glass cape
Then blizzard said no more fun
maiden oar
Ive also played wow since tbc I know things sometimes XD
ah ok
glass cape
S2 I played arcane and had a blast....
maiden oar
i tried to play warlock in season 1 when i was doing delves and reprogging fru on alt jobs
glass cape
maiden oar
because i missed shb summoner
and i was like so cool a job with pet and dot
we love it!
maiden oar
arcane is kinda like ranged sub or so ive heard
idk bc i havent played it but 3 people in this channel have said it while i was reading the cchannel
and they were all different guys so im sure its true
glass cape
I just want to orb
If outlaw wasnt capped at 8 targets id play that
Assassin I do not enjoy this itteration
maiden oar
the target cap is not actually that bad as long as its tuned ok
outlaw kinda went crazy last season if u were good at it
glass cape
Sub is fine to me
hazy breach
The cap doesnt actually matter, it just feels bad
maiden oar
thats true
glass cape
The cap doesnt actually matter, it just feels bad
This
It feels bad
And if I wanted to feel bad id just heal
maiden oar
i was hesitant to pick up ww as a new player due to the cap
versed swift
The actual despair of outlaw rn is killing spree
maiden oar
but i think 8 is a less feel bad number than 5
glass cape
The actual despair of outlaw rn is killing spree
Based
versed swift
Useless pad dmg in aoe instead of prio dmg
maiden oar
yea...
versed swift
lilac stag
That would assume we had a class dev
versed swift
Just make new ks only shoot main target but procs blade flurry for cleave
versed swift
And tune appropriately
maiden oar
That would assume we had a class dev
ill see when alpha comes out and the class blog releases but they did say they were sandbagging class changes for some classes because they had big things in mind and they could only do them between expansions
this is the first time im seeing a new expansion while being an actual wow player
so i could be getting strung along
but i have high hopes
glass cape
Blizzard lies
glass cape
I have more hope for summoner getting dots back
lilac stag
ill see when alpha comes out and the class blog releases but they did say they w...
FYI. In the update notes it goes:
- Priest
- Shaman
maiden oar
glass cape
Blizzard tricks are going to feel worse than any square enix tricks
maiden oar
Blizzard tricks are going to feel worse than any square enix tricks
i am not sure if thats true
glass cape
I did BFA
lilac stag
sorry you landed on basically the least played class with the least amount of development
glass cape
Threw SL
maiden oar
i dont think i can be disappointed by blizzard the way i was by square
there is no way thats possible
lilac stag
Growth mindset friend
maiden oar
sorry you landed on basically the least played class with the least amount of de...
i dont mind i think its fun
glass cape
Thats because you didnt do covenants
lilac stag
Or azerite powers.
fleet wharf
Aren't we due some kind of a rework in midnight or is that all smoke up my ass?
lilac stag
Or artifact weapons
glass cape
I'll take 4 more dawntrails over another shadowlands
maiden oar
i need a date on the alpha
maiden oar
I'll take 4 more dawntrails over another shadowlands
ok i think id rather play shadowlands than dawntrail but that doesnt mean anything probably bc ive never played shadowlands
i have heard it compared to korean mmos though and i loved those in the past
glass cape
No you wouldn't
maiden oar
so i could probably handle the grind at least
maiden oar
did they change the correct covenant like mid patch
or if i just picked right at the start of the patch was it ok
glass cape
Not till the very end of expansion
maiden oar
oh no i meant
if i picked whatever simmed highest when the raid launched
would they make me reroll mid tier
glass cape
Oh yeag every season
maiden oar
or would the balance be about the same until next tier
glass cape
Nope lol
maiden oar
i did originally get interested in wow bc i heard about halondrus
and the bomb mechanic reminded me of nisi from tea
and i loved bjcc
glass cape
After a 3 week tine gated quest line to change clubs btw
maiden oar
so maybe id like shadowland just to fight halondrus
lilac stag
mention artifact power from legion in outlaw and see what ptsd you trigger
maiden oar
im gonna play legion classic when they do it
glass cape
Hoooobaby
glass cape
I'll take 4 more dawntrails over legion artifacts
lilac stag
nothing like saying youre not going to overnerf a power system, them proceed to destroy it after you grinded AP and you couldnt do anything to get it refunded but grind more on either assa or sub 
glass cape
I kept getting that fucking ring
vagrant sinew
After a 3 week tine gated quest line to change clubs btw
ok you dont have to lie to make sour point seem better
maiden oar
nothing like saying youre not going to overnerf a power system, them proceed to ...
hehe
id be playing sub if i played legion classic probably
so i dont care
the jump really high up button is so funny
lilac stag
enjoy backstab soup
lilac stag
dfa was the only fun part of legion sub and that was only a specific patch
maiden oar
oh ok i thought it was the entire time
lilac stag
nope
maiden oar
ah ok
was it miserable to swap between specs of the same char in legion
i assume so given the outlaw thing u talked about
that kinda sucks!
maiden oar
sad
vagrant sinew
depends which part of which patch
maiden oar
ah ok
maybe they make it easy for legion classic (ive never played a classic expansion in my life idk if this is a delusional hope)
lilac stag
everyone has omg legion was awesome. it was shit until very end of it
maiden oar
ok i made a few rogues
lilac stag
MA literally last lego
maiden oar
i did splits for the first time this patch and i had a havoc for splits due to roster issues last season forcing me onto chaos brand for 1 boss
i forgot how to play havoc entirely and i inted
vagrant sinew
It was bad early in patches but once artifact knowledge stacked up you could get offspec to 95% power of ms very fast
maiden oar
It was bad early in patches but once artifact knowledge stacked up you could get...
i see
glass cape
Its not about splits ots about getting drops
maiden oar
oh no im saying
glass cape
Your second drop is like so tiny
hazy breach
As a certified alt hater i see no issue with systems like artifact power 
maiden oar
As a certified alt hater i see no issue with systems like artifact power <:garf:...
i do like disincentivizing splits
but i guess the 2 runs to give ur guys tier splits would probably remain
and it mostly disincentivizes rwf splits
glacial tartan
Quick question, is Cold Blood still viable over Thistle?
hazy breach
Yes
glacial tartan
Awesome, thank you!
feral radish
what do you guys do when CDs are down and a new pack is engaged, do you go for shadow dances are you hold for next cds ?
left ledge
why dont people like tea? I love tea
We don’t dislike it
glacial tartan
I love tea, just prefer to drink some cold blood.
clever delta
sub gamers of RH, i saw on logs that some rogues target living mass with sectech and than swap next gcd to dimensius, and some target just dimmy with everything
can i get some advice on it
fleet wharf
what do you guys do when CDs are down and a new pack is engaged, do you go for s...
kind of depends. After running dungeons you'll kind of get a feel for how quickly you can farm up your cds back with your cdr. the goal is to use just enough so you have 2-3 dances ready for the next flag set
left ledge
Ye if you sectec dim it don’t hit the mass
hazy breach
It wont cleave clones from dimmy
So if you want to kill the adds you need to hit the sectech on them
clever delta
ok so hit them up
hazy breach
Which is annoying as hell
clever delta
im fine with using sctech on it and than swap to boss
crystal bone
It wont cleave clones from dimmy
same vice versa? if u sectec mass it won't hit dimmy?
left ledge
But sadly you do won’t be a good spec for masses because of that
hazy breach
same vice versa? if u sectec mass it won't hit dimmy?
it will
crystal bone
ohh
left ledge
Yeah not sure why Sectec does that on boss
Because flurry works perfectly fine
Like at decent range from the add too
crystal bone
so always swap to mass to hit both
hazy breach
Sectech is based on the boss, nimble is based on you
clever delta
i already forgot the name
left ledge
Sectech is based on the boss, nimble is based on you
Oh right true
left ledge
i already forgot the name
Gallywix
left ledge
so always swap to mass to hit both
Yes and no? You really only need to sectec the mass unless you NEED more mass damage
clever delta
more dmg more fun
left ledge
Mass comes out, you sectec it then continue rotation on boss
Although ig now with all the holding in p1 it doesn’t matter anyways
limpid sage
everyone has omg legion was awesome. it was shit until very end of it
ok but antorus was fire
almost compensates for the shitshow artifact grind was
limpid sage
idk man
alpine wraith
wow at that time and even now does not work with grinds
limpid sage
endless scaling was kinda stupid
ripe flame
the problem was getting your sephuz first
alpine wraith
i was pants sephuz pridaz cloak
should have listened and created more rogues
but i ended up playing spriest anyway
becuase i got rngd
ripe flame
I still have the sephuz and prydaz on my bank as a reminder of the sins I apparently was paying for
(also got the vendetta boots but that doesnt fit my unlucky narrative)
alpine wraith
i did get mantle first week it was introduced
sullen hare
I got the pants first which was kinda shitty for dps but made you invincible for mage tower 
alpine wraith
but still didnt have boots
clever delta
im asiggned to this mechanic, right afters gates i pop cds right ?
alpine wraith
you use second set of cds 2 mins or so in
maiden oar
can i get some advice on it
depends on circumstances
if i send the cb sectech from 2nd flag on a mass left side dies too fast
and we are sad
so i put that on the boss
but all the other sectechs i put on the mass
clever delta
thats second cds?
maiden oar
depends on how fast your side is and what they need
yea
i mean it just depends on the comp of each side
maiden oar
but its illegal for me to cleave my cb sectech i think
until turbo boost
so use ur judgement based on ur guilds dmg
hazy breach
I was barely cleaving with nimble during cds
Because our add died too early if i did
Especially if i secteched it
ripe flame
I accidentaly almost soloed the melee mass when trying to cleave with sectec
so I was banned from that
hazy breach
Yeah
lilac stag
antenna enjoyer
hazy breach
We stop dps for like 30 seconds anyway
alpine wraith
yea you forge twice in p1 if you have it but passive is also fine
maiden oar
im asiggned to this mechanic, right afters gates i pop cds right ?
depends
hazy breach
P1 dps kinda irrelevant
clever delta
im looking at logs and its kinda funny
alpine wraith
you still want to phase at 2:50 anyway
maiden oar
but we push at like 2:30-35
clever delta
yeah we plan to push at 2:50
hazy breach
You can push earlier yeah but then theres some dragon healing cds that get scuffed
maiden oar
so it depends on ur guild
clever delta
i think i just dont use prism in P1
hazy breach
But yeah either way you cant really push much earlier than 2:30-2:35 anyway
clever delta
and thats about it
limpid sage
is there any way to delay picking up antenna orbs in sim?
hazy breach
Not that i know of
maiden oar
i think i just dont use prism in P1
some people are doing it but i dont know how good it is
personally im not
but ive seen some people cycle the 2 on uses like its patchwerk
clever delta
i was watching kush doing keys with his mdi team and he misses so many orbs it hurt my eyes 😄
maiden oar
id have to compare 12/13 stack prism to forge for the amp and i havent bothered hehe
since my prisms higher ilvl im just lining prism up w/ the amp
clever delta
my forge is normal one
chrome palm
12/13 prism is much stronger than forge
maiden oar
which is odd to me
maiden oar
12/13 prism is much stronger than forge
yeah assumed so
chrome palm
i think people are just binding their trinkets and mindlessly using them when they do that
chrome palm
i cant imagine any real reason to
clever delta
8min mark is amp right?
maiden oar
this makes my log look so good
clever delta
like everyone use forge there
maiden oar
but i feel like thats not correct
ripe flame
its like 6 something
maiden oar
8min mark is amp right?
6m30s
clever delta
ohh
chrome palm
i just use forge at 2 minutes with dance
maiden oar
yea me 2
chrome palm
or its maybe a little delayed
clever delta
nvm 6min everyon prism*
chrome palm
the next dance after blades
alpine wraith
what you do is forge open forge at 2 prism in platform forge platform 2 full stack prism into amp forge before it dies then sneak a last prism
maiden oar
what you do is forge open forge at 2 prism in platform forge platform 2 full sta...
yea
i think if u kill before final flag at 930 or whatever possibly better to 2x prism last phase and delay the 8m flag
but thats reclear opti
clever delta
so what do i do, forge twice in P1?
maiden oar
so what do i do, forge twice in P1?
yeah
clever delta
than my prism line up
alpine wraith
you would need a TTK addon or something for that last part yea
p3 can get very weird as more people get gear
chrome palm
you want prism in p2.1
clever delta
its like forge forge prism forge prism (amp)
alpine wraith
yea
clever delta
cool
chrome palm
p3 can get very weird as more people get gear
step the tank when you get antigravity and kill the melee
problem solved
clever delta
time to unbind trinkets and get good i think
maiden oar
forge opener
forge my 2m dance after 1m30s flag (or delay 1m30s flag to forge 2nd sectech if holding til 2m50s)
prism artoshion
forge pargoth
prism amp
forge 8m
prism 9m30s if boss alive
clever delta
nice
maiden oar
bc focus step has been sometimes unpredictable
clever delta
just gotta unbind trinkets than
maiden oar
i just have 2 macros
clever delta
i just need to ubind prism
maiden oar
if u wanna prism something random with blades on cd alt f is fine
hazy breach
forge opener
forge my 2m dance after 1m30s flag (or delay 1m30s flag to forge 2n...
Generally your boss should probably be dead before the 9:30
maiden oar
Generally your boss should probably be dead before the 9:30
yes
clever delta
we are still on nexus but surely killing tonigh
maiden oar
but im not gonna delay 8m flag and use prism with it again in prog
just in case we see the 9m30s mark somehow
im gonna be so polite
chrome palm
safe to say if you see 9:30 you better hope you have prism
maiden oar
yea hehe
clever delta
and i ask for autumn on second platform right
maiden oar
so im just forging and sending flag off cd at 8m after suck
maiden oar
and i ask for autumn on second platform right
yea but paladin has to like not blessing on cd
to give it to u
ripe flame
how tight is the amp without autumn?
hazy breach
Extremly
maiden oar
u need to be speeder route
ripe flame
alr im cooked
maiden oar
and u need to have either a tank or a healer be there because u need to flag him right when u get there
hazy breach
To hit adds with your sectech
maiden oar
and he i think does magic dmg on auto or smth
clever delta
good to know
hazy breach
Otherwise your cds end before adds on second platform
maiden oar
bc with evasion i still hurt 1v1ing him
maiden oar
yea hes too evil
ripe flame
Otherwise your cds end before adds on second platform
surely with ilvl and stuff adds just get cooked fast anyway
surely
maiden oar
with ilvl and stuff flag on 2nd platform probably banned
hazy breach
Yeah its fine either way
hazy breach
with ilvl and stuff flag on 2nd platform probably banned
Idk you need way more damage
ripe flame
I'm just gonna cope with saying I'm timing my shit for maximum boss damage
hazy breach
To be able to kill second platform if you dont use 90s
maiden oar
Idk you need *way* more damage
with 730 and 15%?
i trust u because u know more than me
so ok not banned
hazy breach
I was moreso talking about in the coming weeks, yeah when youre at like 15 or 18% with turboboost then maybe
alpine wraith
week of turbo boost we already have 9 so who knows depends on how sweaty people are
maiden oar
ignore the dragonriding meteor things on purpose?
alpine wraith
because going from 617 to 623
maiden oar
who knows!
alpine wraith
or people going from 620 to 627
we will see
people with champ things will be sad
my champ forge will get krangled
at least i do have M antenna
alpine wraith
dinars will come later blizz is weird
clever delta
my forge is normal too
maiden oar
mines heroic so i cant be mad
clever delta
from timewalking first week 😄
maiden oar
idk if sims different on nightly it sims really close to my myth antenna today
and my miss rate is pretty low
myth forge will be so strong
i will ascend
fleet wharf
vanish strike as you begin p3
just to clarify, this gets you killed right?
maiden oar
it shouldnt if you arent pressing any keys
alpine wraith
just to clarify, this gets you killed right?
yes
maiden oar
you can shadowstep to him and its fine
fleet wharf
I've successfully done that in the past, but died last week doing it
maiden oar
wait what it does?
fleet wharf
so I think I'm gonna stop doing it
maiden oar
i thought it put you in step spot
alpine wraith
vanish strike kills you if you do it at the beginning on p3
ripe flame
shadowstep and either hands off w or backpedal
hazy breach
You can indeed step him, but besides the literal first global of p3 i wouldnt
Because youre likely gonna end up on a tank
And then you get knocked
maiden oar
yea i whack the boss1 macro as i land
hazy breach
And its gg
alpine wraith
do you rupture or go all in ro try and get the second sec tech in amp
hazy breach
You can do both
alpine wraith
from hc to M it is a bit diff becuase you can bank more on M i guess
hazy breach
Just need to prep some from the platform before
maiden oar
from hc to M it is a bit diff becuase you can bank more on M i guess
less on m
crystal bone
You can do both
you can? damn its tough then lol
i will try the step tech
afraid it would kill me
maiden oar
i think im gonna pool coup out of the dance+symbols for 2nd conquerors cross
hazy breach
maiden oar
and use a naked symbols after to farm sht
hazy breach
Like here, im doing rupture like usual
maiden oar
will test tonight and see how that feels
hazy breach
And its not that close
maiden oar
do you do either of those eleem
maiden oar
yea i just dont imagine i get 14 without it
alpine wraith
no idea how your dmg situation it is
like you want it to die just as push back begins
maiden oar
i do see most people coup the 2nd cross and not have coup for amp
but i feel like i could just bp the cross and have it for amp perhaps
dont know how wise that is but in my head i like it
frosty thistle
o/ guys! why r we using black powder in 4+ target scenario while nimble flurry works on 8 targets?
hazy breach
Because it does more damage
short radish
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
maiden oar
well i could cloak the winds and farm sht and coup on a voidwarden
but i think thats insane
keen yew
__**General Gist of the Aoe rotation**__
- At **ALL** target counts cast Coup de...
does that hold when playing rotten ?
i mean the no shuriken during dance
hazy breach
Yes
keen yew
damn
carmine fjord
Is it more beneficial to learn sub with tea instead of cold blood or i shouldnt diverge from the base talent setup?
hazy breach
It doesnt particularly matter
chrome fern
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923898501529600/1419295353219584082/...
how do you get delimiters on damage numbers on logs?
oh nvm
found out
obtuse shard
for dim p3 burn, should i skip rupture to make sure to get 2nd sec tech in?
left ledge
does that hold when playing rotten ?
Rotten is just tied to symbols
So if you play rotten you only really care about storming ONCE after symbols
plush roost
If people use prism on platform 1 then they wont have 18 for burn no?
hazy breach
If people use prism on platform 1 then they wont have 18 for burn no?
Correct
left ledge
If people use prism on platform 1 then they wont have 18 for burn no?
Correct
hazy breach
You will only have like 13
left ledge
You get 13
plush roost
So why the heck would u not prism the second cd set in p1
Forge platform 1
And no cd platform 2
No trinket*
left ledge
Because you won’t have prism for platform 1
hazy breach
You still need dps on platforms yeah
plush roost
It is? Were getting pargoth to 10% with 20 seconds to spare
hazy breach
But you could do that indeed
alpine wraith
big blasters
left ledge
As we get more dps
You will prob save 18 for burn
But rn not having 18 for platform 1 can be a little sketch
maiden oar
It is? Were getting pargoth to 10% with 20 seconds to spare
maybe we suck hehe
plush roost
Ye ig. Rn if someone is dead i 18 stack platform 2 to get prog in
alpine wraith
we do suck makes sense
plush roost
Probably
hazy breach
But if youre hyper focusing on p3 damage, you wouldnt really play forge anyway you'd play a passive like antenna or pacemaker
left ledge
Nah platform 2 is easier than 1 in terms of dps needed because you SHOULD get second winds
alpine wraith
if only screams saved between p1 and p3
hazy breach
Since youre not really gonna get a good third set of cds anyway
alpine wraith
big dmg situation
left ledge
But on 1 you want to skip the second winds
maiden oar
yea unsure then maybe we dont have enough cds on platform 2
plush roost
But if youre hyper focusing on p3 damage, you wouldnt really play forge anyway y...
So what u 12-13 the burn with antenna then?
hazy breach
Well 18
hazy breach
Its the same as what you just talked about
maiden oar
but p2 feels way tighter
plush roost
So u dont prism platform 1 or 2?
left ledge
I prism 1
plush roost
Sheeesh
left ledge
I go forge-forge-18prism-forge-13prism
plush roost
How do u get 18 if u prism platform 1
hazy breach
You literally just talked about it
plush roost
Oh we talking diff things
hazy breach
Either you send on platform 1 and get 13 for amp
Or you send at the end of p1 and get 18 for amp
left ledge
If you want to send on amp you can’t send prism outside of p1
hazy breach
Forge doesnt really matter for this context
plush roost
Hmmm so just no trinkets at all in phase 2 then
left ledge
Yeah but that might just be worse
plush roost
That may be a bit sus
left ledge
We will see how the fight evolves idk
plush roost
Ig its compositional, gotta look at how much p1 holsing were doing
maiden oar
We usually stop on pargoth
do alot of your non 90s classes cd on platform 2
plush roost
Rn our first platform is carried by me dh fury dk
maiden oar
we have to hold on platform 1 to see the rock but platform 2 genuinely does feel tighter somehow
plush roost
we have to hold on platform 1 to see the rock but platform 2 genuinely does feel...
Your 2min classes arent sending is why
warm marlin
Plat2 is tighter because 2 min specs are holding for p3
left ledge
do alot of your non 90s classes cd on platform 2
I don’t think so
I think it’s just the 90s that send
warm marlin
Only warlock does
maiden oar
oh ok
plush roost
Warl
ck
left ledge
Our warlocks might but they’re very non important to our damage
Ngl
Most of our damage is mages, me, dks, dh, ww
maiden oar
ic
plush roost
"What is my purpose?"
You press gate
"Oh..."
chrome fern
our warlock umm swapped off warlock to hunter and that was H dim
plush roost
Havoc them bitches
maiden oar
ty warlock
chrome fern
so from all accounts it sucks to play warlock on dim
plush roost
Weve been getting our warlock to havoc the second voidwarden
ripe flame
you need 2 so you are guaranteed to at least get in the roster 
plush roost
Cause first one goes kaboom cb sectec
Ive been intentionally misaligning my second sec tec so i can cb sectec the nullbinders and door
gleaming locust
Currently progging forge with my guild, I know we delay flag and blades in the opener but are we just using on CD after that or are we holding for specific timings for adds/dmg amp
maiden oar
Ive been intentionally misaligning my second sec tec so i can cb sectec the null...
same
plush roost
Usually with coup first
left ledge
It’s not
maiden oar
yea i have been
warm marlin
Ive been intentionally misaligning my second sec tec so i can cb sectec the null...
Ya I mean it’ll well be up for the next dance anyway
left ledge
Most of our burst is in the second dance
left ledge
So you really want as much of that in the amp
hazy breach
Autumn is 10 seconds removed
So depending on how fast you fly, you can delay around 6-7 seconds if you want
warm marlin
Pretty certain the lowest my flag can possibly be is 3-4 seconds away when burn starts without autumn
plush roost
You guys storm evisc or backstabbing on platforms btw?
warm marlin
If we hold perfectly
left ledge
I’m stabbing for coup stacks
hazy breach
But its literally getting ready when you land
keen yew
Pretty certain the lowest my flag can possibly be is 3-4 seconds away when burn ...
can be 1-2 if ur fast enough
clever delta
there are logs when ppl did not send prism on platform and they did well already
plush roost
I’m stabbing for coup stacks
I thought about that but i will have it ready before burn anyway so whats the point
warm marlin
I’m already landing first on both plats by a good amount and insta step flagging 
maybe our holds suck
plush roost
You taking the shortcut ?
warm marlin
I watched a pull where we killed pargoth during second winds and it was like 4:59 land on plat 6:26 amp start iirc
plush roost
U can get there realll early by skippung a couple rings
warm marlin
ye
hazy breach
Ok i lied the dks are sending their cds 0.8s after i send flag in amp
But its not 3s
warm marlin
U can get there realll early by skippung a couple rings
think I’m only skipping one
Maybe the route needs some cooking
skipping the first one
left ledge
You can skip second last one in second flight too
plush roost
Btw what stops the channel on platforms? Damage or tank kick?
left ledge
You just have to know where the last ring appears
I usually make it with like 0.8sec left
left ledge
Btw what stops the channel on platforms? Damage or tank kick?
No clue I think it’s a shield on the add
plush roost
Can also fly above that blackhole and get the third last ring
warm marlin
I’m sending flag so early that my cb sectec is almost out of blades idk
left ledge
I always shit myself when attacking the adds
warm marlin
When adds get gripped
plush roost
Lmao thats wildin
left ledge
Once he ignore my tanks and just fucking destroy me
warm marlin
I always shit myself when attacking the adds
I have to evasion first one
Not like it matters so down bad for a replacement warlock that I think were raiding with a guildies friends 8/8H destro who told us he would study up
warm marlin
poor fella was just trying to gear it to do well and accidentally trolled
Is what it is
maiden oar
yea
clever delta
out RL and only monk have some attendance issues aswell lately, not cool either :D:D
so i can feel ya
maiden oar
hopefully it works out in the end
i had some funny roster stuff happen last tier its the worst
20 guys is alot to manage compared to the games i came from
warm marlin
it’s ok warlocks have told us they don’t have a raid buff so I’m sure we could raid without a second one right
solid bear
How big of a difference is antenna vs Araz trinket? Because i see people blasting with araz in comparison of antenna
solid bear
Im running antena 723 & prism 723
maiden oar
Im running antena 723 & prism 723
2x on use mostly matters on last 2
ornate lake
Guys what weapon enchantments are you running in M+ and raids rn?
I was running bubbling max+whetstone so far
Just ran out of them
maiden oar
Guys what weapon enchantments are you running in M+ and raids rn?
oil and wax
warm marlin
Wax oil
maiden oar
vagrant sinew
yeah for 5k dps big time worth
warm marlin
you can get like 40 in 15 minutes
maiden oar
yeah for 5k dps big time worth
saves gold im in poverty
granite river
Im running antena 723 & prism 723
This shit p good, if you’re getting out blasted could be something else
maiden oar
ill get to do sales for the first time this tier maybe thatll help
granite river
X2 on use feel good tho big vibes
vagrant sinew
bro its 200g for 2h do 1 gold wq
solid bear
Mainly for the dmg amp in last 2 bosses, that is what really matters
warm marlin
wax was a 0.4% gain for me cuh
jagged rover
Not like it matters <:garf:1320173032743899157> so down bad for a replacement wa...
are we all down bad for warlocks? We failed a warlock trial and one of our frost dks had to swap to getting his ready last week
ornate lake
Man I love prism so fucking much but I absolutely hate it when I get globalled by random stuff with 18 stacks off CD
warm marlin
are we all down bad for warlocks? We failed a warlock trial and one of our frost...
we have 2/a third as alt just some unfortunate circumstances
And dimmy hard requires 2
jagged rover
yeah, we're workign on salad bar but knew we'd need one we can rely on for dimmy
warm marlin
maybe not hard hard require if you can craft a comp for one side with a lot of mobility
vagrant sinew
wax was a 0.4% gain for me cuh
this patch?
vagrant sinew
hmm aight fair I only simmed it on assa
lilac stag
wait til they see mana oil + wax is likely their bis option
hazy breach
Pretty similar to oil really
lilac stag
on sub
hazy breach
Doesnt matter much
maiden oar
i pickpocketed 150 of them i need to convince myself it matters
warm marlin
I did also sim it when my one crafted weapon was a higher ilvl than the rest of my gear comparatively so it prob looked a bit better than it would now
vale pine
only think thats important is that you use oils/stones
warm marlin
but it’s good and free
rapid stream
!cbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
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spice escarp
how big is the increase of optimizing coup refunds? i just spent 30 minutes trying to formulate an explanation of what the hell it even is
hazy breach
What do you mean
vale pine
you don't need to manage refunds, you just finish again
lilac stag
how big is the increase of optimizing coup refunds? i just spent 30 minutes tryi...
do you mean the gcd management?
spice escarp
I mean is there any damage gain from it yeah
lilac stag
losing a global in dance, bad
hazy breach
Building when you are already at max isnt great yeah
lilac stag
idk if they figured out actual numbers
vale pine
you can only do estimates, unless you build in a fail rate to simc
spice escarp
I see, and it makes sense to avoid it. But i was going a bit nuts explaining it in detail. Made me realize how unfriendly it is to new players
lilac stag
welcome to explaining sub rogue
confuse the fuck out of seasoned players new to rogue as well
chrome fern
what causes the resets?
so you could just track the likelyhood by looking at sht stacks?
quartz oracle
yo, is it a bug that u can't consume marks until u consume your darkest night or that's just how it's intended?
hazy breach
Its a bug yeah
clever delta
tbh the coup gcd tracket helped me a lot stop losing cps
vagrant sinew
Its a bug yeah
is it really a bug at this point after 2 tiers!
spice escarp
so you could just track the likelyhood by looking at sht stacks?
From what i understand yes, but its such a short time window
hazy breach
is it really a bug at this point after 2 tiers!
well yeah but the coup thing has been active for longer
chrome fern
From what i understand yes, but its such a short time window
yeah but like if you are at 1 sht, you know it wont get a reset, and if you are 7+ you know you will
quartz oracle
is it really a bug at this point after 2 tiers!
yeah i think i remember this bug from earlier tiers but I forgot, so it's still not fixed
hazy breach
Since that deathstalker bug was only introduced a couple of weeks after s1 launch instead of on the alpha
vagrant sinew
its okay luckily hero talents are going away in Midnight ... wait nevermind
warm marlin
yeah but like if you are at 1 sht, you know it wont get a reset, and if you are ...
Well at 7 you would refund immediately on cast
hazy breach
I mean surely theres some work done on deathstalker on the alpha
mental shore
When use tea or cold blood
warm marlin
The problem is that if you proc to 7 during the coup animation, the refund will proc mid gcd
hazy breach
chrome fern
The problem is that if you proc to 7 during the coup animation, the refund will ...
i get that, but you can forewarn yourself by seeing you are at 6 stacks
vagrant sinew
you tell us Eleem I know you have access
warm marlin
Yes but it won’t always refund even at 6
hazy breach
you tell us Eleem I know you have access <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Not sure i will immediately at launch
warm marlin
so you have to wait 0.9s, then have 0.3s to spellqueue next gcd based on reaction
chrome fern
so you have to wait 0.9s, then have 0.3s to spellqueue next gcd based on reactio...
yeah i know, im not saying it's ideal, but you atleast have an inkling before hand if it's even possible
spice escarp
True, the bar is more like a training wheel
warm marlin
yes you can at least mentally prepare
the bar will tell you for certain when you are safe to queue, without it you are mentally approximating 0.9s
chrome fern
yes you can at least mentally prepare
like im okay at reacting natty to resets except if it's the last one
zinc river
which trinket combination is better subt ? unyeilding hero + Antenna myth or Unyeilding hero + araz hero >!? M+
warm marlin
I have log evidence of a sht proc 2ms before the final hit which was for some reason slightly delayed and only refunded me 0.15s before my shadowstrike hit the target
ty blizzard
spice escarp
But hey, no need for wa in midnight, right?
warm marlin
yep shut it down
zinc river
which trinket combination is better subt ? unyeilding hero + Antenna myth or Unyeilding hero + araz hero >!? M+ anyone can help ?
chrome fern
i'm just worried they will think that icons are an acceptable weak aura stopping point
i want my progress bars regardless
amber sedge
!makro
vale pine
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
vale pine
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
warm marlin
which trinket combination is better subt ? unyeilding hero + Antenna myth or Uny...
A lot of the top players play double on use, antenna sims a bit better and probably does more damage, but double on use guarantees you always have a trinket ready if you need it (scary pack coming up or whatever). Personally I’m a prism antenna believer but it’s a bit of a personal choice
zinc river
ty
warm marlin
Double on use lets you pool 18 prism stacks for a giant pull or whatever without leaving you completely dry on a pack leading up to it
crisp idol
what talents and brann build to use for kyveza tier ??
lucid jackal
hatorang and aegis I think
fallow nimbus
you need to reset aegis after every wipe
lucid jackal
still very
fallow nimbus
pretty easy, but mechanics oneshot anyway
clever delta
yeah bur i struggle to live before
fallow nimbus
with 715 and healer brann i played that minigame 2 times
best time to burst is during the portal phase
crisp idol
i just cant see the shadows
fallow nimbus
antialising off and outline mode on and high
plush roost
Gott turn faster and also be pretty aligned
I just stop dps entirely and do the mech, its not a race
wary nest
Im looking for advice on trinket choices in M+ and in Raid, I have M prism, HC forge,HC antenna and M lily. thoughts? (yes i simmed but still very confusing because of how close they can get)
shell sorrel
Im looking for advice on trinket choices in M+ and in Raid, I have M prism, HC f...
sounds like a question for @vale pine, or maybe @teal coral
magic dove
Did something break weak auras using cold blood?
wary nest
oo i appreciate the pings ty @shell sorrel
vale pine
Im looking for advice on trinket choices in M+ and in Raid, I have M prism, HC f...
prism + forge/lily is probably the one most people play
prism + antenna is fine too tho
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades. What stacks you should use it on depends on your trinket combination:
- If its your only on-use trinket: Using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
- If youre using Prism+Forge: Rotate between them each Shadow Blades regardless of stacks (so forge on pull, prism on 1:30, forge on 3:00)
- If youre using Prism+Lily: Use Lily with Blades until you have 16+ stacks of Prism, then use prism and hold Lily for next Blades.
vale pine
you can't rly go wrong as long as you take prism
what matters is that you use your trinkets efficiently
e.g. having 18 stacks on a big pull is rly good
prism + forge/lilly is a bit more straight forward to play
wary nest
mhm
vale pine
antenna has the minigame, which adds additional stress
warm marlin
sounds like a question for <@194804407706189824>, or maybe <@167090536602140682>
Whospar my subtlety goat
alpine wraith
close enough
right whisp
hc forge can be better than M lilly
but also sending crests into M lilly is also a mistake so idk
vale pine
think everyone just defaults to forge + prism
not sure the diffrence is big, should be fairly similar
ashen sable
__**Unyielding Netherprism**__
Use the trinket at the same time as Shadow Blades...
I was reading this, is it worth using lily and prism instead of prism and peacemaker (all 3 hc)
crystal bone
peacemaker
vale pine
peacemaker is rly good on figths like dimensius
lily isn't bad, but you would probably just use forge + prism as default^^
ashen sable
I see, thanks a lot, i'm trying to learn sub aswell as main assa to rotate in bossfights, i find myself at a decent point having good stats for both specs somehow
vale pine
forge is just very contested ^^
sub can use everything well thats not haste ^^
so should not be too hard to play both without making big trade offs
ashen sable
Might be a dumb question, do sub have some sort of soft secondary stat caps?
Beside 0 haste
vale pine
no, caps in general only exist on classes with dynamic gcd's
and even then they are usually not static
ashen sable
People were suggesting me to use rotten in raid until i get to like 35% crit
ashen sable
Really apreciate the help ❤️
vale pine
so won't do worse if you play rotten
the last gate allows some amount of flexibility without much dps trade off
tulip quarry
but also sending crests into M lilly is also a mistake so idk
why would sending crests into a good mythic trinket ever be a mistake?
vale pine
it isn't, lily is just seen as worse than antenna/prism/forge
alpine wraith
lilly is good compared to maybe footbomber
mellow saffron
Can somebody enlighten me on the Eviscerate vs Smoke Bomb? Ive seen both things and feel both perform well, is eviscerate good until 7 targets or is it >4 targets ?
hazy breach
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
General Gist of the Aoe rotation
- At ALL target counts cast Coup de Grace when it is ready.
- At ALL target counts cast Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm. (unless coup is ready, !coup)
- Cast Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
mellow saffron
Perfect thank you!
tidal marsh
Smoke Bomb 
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
mellow saffron
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
west socket
Is recuperator talent bugged? On swampface I had 0 healing done from it
Or in general in a floodgate run extremely low uptime
hazy breach
Its showing up as slice and dice, not recuperator
west socket
Yes
hazy breach
But afaik its fixed, havent seen it bug out
mellow saffron
Is there a reason that some people play Cold Blood + The Rotten?
vast plank
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
livid hamlet
came here to say this spec is much more satisfying than assa in m+
getting the rotation down and doing some solid dps in +14 and +15s only thing i sometimes struggle with is wasting combo points when i expect to need a builder but im at full cp again after a finisher
is there a way to anticipate when thats gonna happen? its all just shadow tech procs right?
pseudo coral
chrome fern
is there a way to anticipate when thats gonna happen? its all just shadow tech p...
you can track the number of procs, if you have 7+ you will get a reset, if you have 6 it's possible your coup might reset
livid hamlet
<:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
happened to me the other day too !
livid hamlet
you can track the number of procs, if you have 7+ you will get a reset, if you h...
thanks! i can make a weak aura that does that i think
pseudo coral
only thing i needed for my sub rogue yipeeee
chrome fern
thanks! i can make a weak aura that does that i think
yup
wicked joltBOT
livid hamlet
one more question. Ive noticed that most of the time when shadow tech procs after a finisher i get instant cp generation. But sometimes i get full CP after a finsiher, but only after like one GCD has passed which makes reacting properly to the extra cp difficult. is that shadow techs proccing or is that something else?
willow mantle
the shadowcrsft refund?
hazy breach
After you press coup it can happen at 0.4s and 0.9s
astral axle
coup has a longer gcd and there can be delays from refunds
hazy breach
Because of a bug
chrome fern
one more question. Ive noticed that most of the time when shadow tech procs afte...
this is the coup thing im talking about, it hits 3 times, and all 3 can reset, so if you have 6, and get a 7th between the 3 hits you ger refunded
livid hamlet
ah i see
shrewd lantern
shadowtech isnt rng at all you can see when its gonna proc
Both specs are kind of fine in keys
but sub bursting 15m on 1t is funny
chrome fern
but sub bursting 15m on 1t is funny
tank was scared when we told him to pull more trash onto braunpike.. and ummm yeah look i sent 18 orism full cds on it, he was dumbfounded at where it went
shrewd lantern
Yeah sub doesnt really have funnel you just nuke it all
maybe can hit 80m in fg pull
🤣
lil 66k agi injection from prism
mental shore
thistle tea change something on rotation?
hazy breach
Absolutely can, especially after turboboost you might be able to hit 100 even
hazy breach
thistle tea change something on rotation?
Nop
shrewd lantern
im like just on the cusp
lucid jackal
Absolutely can, especially after turboboost you might be able to hit 100 even
Sub gonna be so fun in turbo boost
swift cloak
how long should i delay my cds on forgeweaver ?
chrome fern
maybe can hit 80m in fg pull
what part of this is ethical to trim the time to
shrewd lantern
Idk
chrome fern
17 mil with like 30s of nothing lol
royal iron
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: ** You can hold coup up to ~20 secounds and stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up on Single Target. The later is used to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
alpine wraith
biggus
plush roost
alpine wraith
brrr
frail kindle
Dark brew gaming
plush roost
Blackpowder
frail kindle
Haven’t heard that in a while
warm goblet
hey, how do you roughly check how much physical/shadow dmg we deal? cant understand the split details does
warm goblet
huh well
thats actually a very simple way of checking lol
forgot about it, thanks for reminding me
charred kestrel
Dark brew builds are a thing now?