subtlety

[short radish]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[sudden quarry]

Perfect. Appreciate your help 🫡

[short radish]

No wokkas

[steel zinc]

@hazy breach what does blessing from hpal do again for sub rogue on the endboss? All sub rogues seem to get it

[west arch]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[west arch]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[short radish]

Autumn

For cdr on flag

[steel zinc]

No cdr on blades?

Otherwise they are desynced or?

[short radish]

Well cdr on everything

It syncs

Because prism has 20 sec cd

[sudden quarry]

In M+ big pulls, is coup procc always worth over powder? Regardless of target count?

[short radish]

Doeskt matter if trinket is desync

[queen plinth]

is offhand a high prio as sub rogue to upgrade it?

[short radish]

And ppl run forge prism

[short radish]

No

[steel zinc]

How much?

[short radish]

Yes

[queen plinth]

so i want mainhand to be 720/723 and focus on other stuff yea?

[karmic harbor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[steel zinc]

Gonna prog endboss mythic soon and we have an hpal in for that

[short radish]

Dunno exactly but you can send flag at 1:22 or something

Yeah ask for autumn

[steel zinc]

K

[short radish]

Its our tier for it

[karmic harbor]

what logs are you looking at? and what's the buff called?

[short radish]

Is this for dimmy or saladbar

[steel zinc]

Mythic public logs sub rogue endboss

[short radish]

makes it so it lines up with platforms better or something

[scenic plover]

when i shadowstep fractillus, where do i land?

[queen plinth]

does it make a diff if embelishment is on offhand /mainhand

[short radish]

in front of the boss

no

[scenic plover]

middle?

[short radish]

yes

[karmic harbor]

yuh

[scenic plover]

sadge

[karmic harbor]

dont step before you break the wall or it wont go off

[scenic plover]

is that actually real?

[karmic harbor]

yes

[scenic plover]

have heard mixed statements

[short radish]

thats not a thing

i step as soon as the knockback happens

[scenic plover]

well problem is my position is far right on the wall so i wont step anyway i guess

[karmic harbor]

[scenic plover]

ye see

[short radish]

you can step and the speed will be enough to run there

[scenic plover]

i heard stuff about deaths advance and i was grappling mid push before and was fun afaik

[karmic harbor]

i was stepping early in prog and pretty sure the walls behind me weren't being broken

but ill check again in hc

[short radish]

i stepped every time and nothing bad happened

so i assume its fine

[alpine wraith]

i didnt try to risk it

but should be fine

it is mainly to not drop the shrapnel on melee

[karmic harbor]

can pre cloak

[alpine wraith]

i usually save cloak for the dual mythic break

but id ont even remember when that one is

like 4 mins in i think

[final wasp]

[short radish]

you can't really see behind me

but thats me doing it

[karmic harbor]

bros wiping his raid for free

(or im wrong)

[final wasp]

Imagine playing a class where you can insta step instead of having to wait for cat travel time smile

[alpine wraith]

nope he already explained

wall breaks fine

[short radish]

i may have been too used to shadow step on rogue

and pressed feral cat leap on loomi

[alpine wraith]

ah rip

[short radish]

and killed myself through the web

[final wasp]

dawg

[short radish]

[alpine wraith]

use the bear charge

that one is on front

[final wasp]

you can have fractillus leaps for free

Puddles everywhere when you land

I have only killed myself twice because of that

Speccing zoomersprint next raid ong

[alpine wraith]

that sprint is quite strong

for how low cd it has

[short radish]

zoomer sprint?

[alpine wraith]

the 200% ms one

but lasts 5 secs

[short radish]

oh

[compact violet]

Hey guys, what is the value of monk / dh buff for sub ?

(wondering for king platform)

i remember it being visible on fuu sim but i cant find it anymore

[plush crescent]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[limpid sage]

given you're around 80/20 (phys/magic) split for higher target counts because of nimble, it should be 4% from monk and 0.6% from dh

[fossil forge]

Lines up ur cds

[alpine wraith]

they already line up you just get them earlier

that way you also get them earlier as the fight goes on

[fossil forge]

Ye it get rid of the awkward 10 seconds of nothing

[steel zinc]

Ok so gotta snack me that autumn buff

[fossil forge]

U can live without it

[alpine wraith]

it is noticeable because that makes it so you have instantly on add usually

then to have it again for p3

[proper latch]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[queen kraken]

i cant find anything about it but is there still the possibility of someone reviewing logs?

[short radish]

do a !log

and t hen

[queen kraken]

ahhh its ! and not / thanks 😂

me stupid

[short radish]

same

[queen kraken]

ya im gonna get ripped apart

[short radish]

just consider

[queen kraken]

!log

[short radish]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[short radish]

looking at that first

and then using that internal voice that hates you anyway

to say how bad you are

[obsidian crag]

what is the best option to sim for mplus as sub? dungeon slice or something else?

[short radish]

dslice

[opal basalt]

So nice being able to use this after playing havoc for a season and being told it’s utterly useless (it’s even disabled now)

[stiff raft]

Do we just macro netherprism to Shadow Blades and not think more about it?

[short radish]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Its a trinket you should be using with your Shadow Blades, using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.

[short radish]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[queen plinth]

we macro lily or forge into shadowdance?

tf

[alpine wraith]

into shadowblades

[queen plinth]

ah nvm

yea misread

[raw wadi]

You should not bind it to blades. Sometimes you want to send a blades without trinket.

[rose parrot]

Do you sec tech with 2 supercharges or with 1?

[alpine wraith]

either does not matter

[karmic harbor]

ive been griefing for no reason

@short radish ok you're right you can step and the wall still breaks

[stiff raft]

Ah shit. I’ve been blessed with loot rng and have both prism and lily. I’m all out of keybinds💀😂

[short radish]

im always right

except when im not

like my rotation

[karmic harbor]

i swear i tried it in hc yesterday and it wasnt working weird

[short radish]

good to have visual confirmation though

[scarlet oyster]

Hi,

Do we still use backstab in aoe after SD ?

[fair cloak]

Does assa fate single target sim better for all of u than sub

[karmic harbor]

yes

by like 400k

[upbeat sorrel]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[hidden oar]

are we supposed to cast second secret technique during dance when it is first dance buffed? I am able to pull that off but from lorrogs I can see nobody is doing it for example on soul hunters? Is it not good to do or maybe only should be done in M+?

[alpine wraith]

yea if it is up in the first dance you send it

remember to use SoD to supercharge it

[untold sable]

You CAN just macro Lily With sb and use a separate keybind for prism

Aand just press that before you send sb

[sage saffron]

Wait prism doesn’t put other trinkets on cd?

[slender zodiac]

qucik q, if you play araz and prism, first you use araz then on 9 stacks prism?

[honest scarab]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[queen plinth]

are we sendin bp in aoe no matter what or doe we priotize evis if prio targets need to die

[shy scarab]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint swift]

Every time I read coup de grace I’m reminded of the horrid way I pronounced it for the first month or so

[limpid sage]

coop the graze?

[mint swift]

P much yea

[keen trellis]

Coup over bp. And evis for prio if needed yea

[vale pine]

you find the finisher priority in every guide, e.g.

which is if you write it in one line:
secret > coup > bp > evis

[feral bluff]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[wispy crystal]

Coop dee gra

I think is the right way to say it out

May be butchering it. Correct me if I'm wrong french people

[grand viper]

“Coo”

Don’t pronounce the p

[vale pine]

probably better to use the phonetic alphabet
or voice messages

[grand viper]

Can’t send voice message

😓

[vale pine]

https://youtu.be/_hjmwzykx5Q?t=20

[limpid sage]

coo dæh grah

[runic trail]

I'm referring to it as cup of grass from now on out of spite

[opal basalt]

French is a beautiful language

[spare quiver]

aura of prism?

[opal basalt]

[vale pine]

or in german "Kuh de grass"

[limpid sage]

didn't know you said "græs"

[opal basalt]

Ironically that’s quite close to what the ipa translation looks like

[karmic harbor]

@vale pine did you see this? someone was in here asking if they should storm inside dance but blades not up

[obsidian crag]

is it a dps loss using cold blood with 6 pts coup?

[vale pine]

or to also have this too/ˌkuː də ˈɡrɑːs/

[vale pine]

oh, let me add shadow blades conditional to that too

[opal basalt]

ʁ*

[mint swift]

I mean with english you have such bangers like

colonel

[opal basalt]

French origin

[mint swift]

God damn it @leaden prairie

[placid hornet]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[vale pine]

haha ^^

[opal basalt]

Sorry I study linguistics and the IPA really fascinates me

[alpine wraith]

yea it is a cool beer

[vale pine]

all fine

[opal basalt]

If you know how to read it it’s really a gamechanger for learning new languages

[void ocean]

its disgusting

[vale pine]

we learned it in shool

[void ocean]

the beer?

[vale pine]

the phonetic alphabet

[opal basalt]

First semester of my studies was like 85% that

[fallow nimbus]

Brewing beer is a subject in every german school

[vale pine]

but i haen't used it ever since

[alpine wraith]

makes sense

not many people brew after school is done

[vale pine]

oh no not university, it was before that

[void ocean]

later on u start baking

[opal basalt]

Yeah I got that

[void ocean]

when that 16.20 clock hits

[fallow nimbus]

We made beer and apple cider in chemistry

[alpine wraith]

i mean someone has to do the pretzels

for the beer+pretzel combo

[vale pine]

we only distilled alcohol

[alpine wraith]

wish that was also here in spain imagine

[void ocean]

https://akademskarakija.rs/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/kazan-za-pecenje-rakije-100l-novo-3764286-5898824.jpg

[fossil forge]

Fym brew beer we use this to brew crack in europe

[void ocean]

every 10 year old here knows how to operate this

[alpine wraith]

nice

gotta let the kids begin early

[limpid sage]

are you german

[void ocean]

thats not for beer

[limpid sage]

I have no idea what I'm looking at

[alpine wraith]

i know it is not a horse

[void ocean]

its for the spirits that could make u blind, such as Rakija

[limpid sage]

I ruled that one out as well

[rocky ocean]

fun fact coup is translated differently in french client
https://www.wowhead.com/fr/spell=441423/achèvement

[alpine wraith]

so like playing sub

yea it is so silly

likely the subcontractors decided to tl

[limpid sage]

[late oxide]

started practicing sub and it feels great, but my fingers are getting confused with key binds

[opal basalt]

I think it’s mostly because Coup de Grace is kinda a loan term now in English

[late oxide]

Need more muscles memories

[opal basalt]

League uses it too

[limpid sage]

cut the grass

[void ocean]

but u need to spit at least 3 ppl while saying it

[opal basalt]

damn subtlety in the french client is called finesse

what a sick name

[limpid sage]

honestly better than subtlety

[opal basalt]

agreed

[bitter needle]

Direct translation would be Subtilité

[alpine wraith]

i mean i think they need to rename our msatery

we dont execute anything

[outer goblet]

its leftover from when we got executed after uldir

[bitter needle]

We do Coup de Grace, litterally finishing someone off

[alpine wraith]

yea and we do it twice in a row because we suck at it

[final wasp]

HELLO IS THIS THE CUP DEY GRASS CHAT?

[alpine wraith]

it is golpe final ricardo alberto!

[bitter needle]

Lots of people don't pronounce the "sss" part of Grace which is funnier because Gras in French is fat.

Coup de Gras is basically what Gragas does belly charging

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/jesse-breaking-bad-walter-white-wtf-wth-gif-26435332

[alpine wraith]

yea gras is also fat in catalan

[obsidian crag]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[lapis minnow]

I get the opener but when should I use shadow dance again after the opener? on cd and only hold shadow dance if my big cooldowns are coming?

[vale pine]

the use will depend on the fight

this might help understand the cooldown management

also https://www.lorrgs.io/ is a very good option to see how cooldowns are used on specific fights

[stoic steppe]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[icy peak]

my bros. i got question for the opener. I'm a beginner. stealth> shadow stab> flag > rip > fan of swords > rip > then shadow dance > back stab > ( when i enter in shadow dance, do I always use back stab and not shadow strike and like everytime i enter shadow dance i always use back stab first ? ty

[vale pine]

you use backstab with premeditation, you can skip it with more enemies

[karmic harbor]

what is fan of swords

[icy peak]

that aoe ability

[karmic harbor]

ig storm

[icy peak]

sry i don't know the names properly. i just started.

[tribal blade]

hrm if we're not using rotten to spread FW with storm i might swap off it for 1 finality

in keys

[icy peak]

i see. so, in general is like shadow strike and black power bomb for aoe ?

[honest saddle]

believe you mean cut de grass

[chrome palm]

think you mean

[honest saddle]

how else are you getting find weakness up. I typically just follow the tank and as he is gathering shit up I am storming rupture spreading until grouped then going ham. If not that, then how fw?

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm doing the same

it's more so i just realized rotten is less useful to have talented if i'm not storming in dance

just simmed it, 1 finality is slightly more dps 😉

easy choice

[honest saddle]

yeah I dropped rotten for same

one thing I was wondering

is what are you guys doing for snd

in big packs

[tribal blade]

you can evis a mob during gather

[woven ruin]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[tribal blade]

what i do before a key starts is put down a turnip

so i can use sectec to get disorienting

then get max cps right before key starts

then once the key starts and you're waiting for the bubble to drop you can spend the CPs and get full snd

[honest saddle]

I dont even have a snd key anymore

I dont think

[vague dragon]

!atro

[wicked jolt]

Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <

[tribal blade]

i don't have it bound, but i have it on my bars to click

[honest saddle]

I need to just make it some obscure shit like alt 4

[chrome palm]

wait can we reapply mark with darkest night up now?

[tribal blade]

all else fails during gather just use 1 evis

[honest saddle]

ok last question

not dancing

no cds

just raw dogging tank dam

and evisc 4pc is up

but ive been spamming bp

[chrome palm]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[honest saddle]

so no flawless

what then

[tribal blade]

oh

i would just send coup as soon as you proc it

unless you're holding it for upcoming cds

[chrome palm]

oh you can reapply but not reduce it

[tribal blade]

i think that's the bug yeah

[chrome palm]

who knows

could be their design

just to keep mark for singular focus

clown hero talent

[honest saddle]

without flawless it wont cleave though so I wonder if you have to send a backstab to get flawless up

not that it matters since doing zero dam anyway

[tribal blade]

you'll have flawless up when you proc coup

[fair anchor]

Interesting, finality1 was a 1% loss for me in dslice. Maybe its gear

For me

[tribal blade]

might be, i have 29% crit atm

[fair anchor]

Yeah that would explain it

Cool

[haughty mural]

Essentially raid cleave build then ? 😛

[tribal blade]

you should resim, sims for sub in dslice are quite crit hungry now

[tribal blade]

yes basically haha

except i'm running tea too

[honest saddle]

think raid cleave runs no tea

[fair anchor]

I simmed yday but i have much less crit

[haughty mural]

Oh

[fair anchor]

I remember it being 30% with one stack of antenna

[haughty mural]

Forgot you guys are running tea now

[fair anchor]

Dont know the base value 😆

[tribal blade]

i feels good running more crit in keys atm

you spread FW much more

[honest saddle]

yeah, having storm at 50% is real nice

[tribal blade]

yeah you can just storm a few times on gathers and most mobs have FW going into cds

[honest saddle]

with antenna and councils guile its literally like 60% crit

[haughty mural]

As long as I’m not on your crit numbers I’ll run CB still

Gimme plexus ring and I’ll swap in an instant

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm running plexus ring 😉

[honest saddle]

this feels REAL bad

REALLLLLL BAD

[slow gorge]

Haste???

[honest saddle]

it makes me want to vomit

but it's what I have atm

[tribal blade]

notlikethis

[haughty mural]

Damn

[tulip perch]

Hey guys, to what extent am I screwed if I am assigned to the first soak as sub on mythic araz?

[honest saddle]

it's a find a new guild angle I think

[final wasp]

[short radish]

💯

just gquit now

[manic salmon]

at least you didnt have mythic fract trinket drop and then the hunter gets prio over me who then quits a week after

and if we kill NK tonight we will be extending dimmy so i most likely wont see the trinket until turbo boost

[honest saddle]

why would they ever give the hunter prio

[alpine wraith]

soak should be close to boss

[chrome palm]

its not like sub gets autumn on dimmy specifically because it can send prism its trinket with any timing

[alpine wraith]

you just move away a bit then step

ah i also lost first prism to a hunter

but it is what it is

when they do so much more dmg and still use it

we may gain 140k dps

but they gain 210k

XD

[honest saddle]

but they wont be in on dimmy anyway

should be sitting the filthy hunters

[alpine wraith]

ahaha we wish

rogue is getting beaten down now even on our "good" bosses

as weeks go by

still very decent at least

[honest saddle]

yeah I saw we were behind dks on our "good" bosses

[haughty mural]

Hunter dmg big, hunter getting trinket

[alpine wraith]

yea dk hunters and locks just get more dmg

[haughty mural]

That’s how loot is rolled

[tulip perch]

Is it close enough? 😭

[alpine wraith]

rofl that is comp diff

i mean strat

wtf is echo doing there

[scenic plover]

should i use a mouse over shadowstep macro?

[bright elk]

How are you guys simming on st compared to assa? I’ve been running sub for the cleave and damage amp bosses so far but assa still sims like 400-500k ahead on a 5 min patchwork. Wondering if it’s worth just running sub on all bosses instead of swapping back and forth

[alpine wraith]

you want to kill it first with the adds

or well who knows what people do now

[final wasp]

Optimally next week is the last chance I have for a forge

[alpine wraith]

already on dimensius damn

koffing rising

[honest saddle]

sin is definately more ST on average but there isnt a fight in the raid that matters where sin damage vs sub would make a difference

[final wasp]

Nah, we are starting NK prog tomorrow

[manic salmon]

IF I SPEAK I AM IN BIG TROUBLE

[dusty totem]

Assa is better on quite a few bosses

[alpine wraith]

wait no way people are extending for salad boi

there is so much good loot

[final wasp]

You think we will spend more than a week on NK?

[manic salmon]

its half half

[honest saddle]

extending makes zero sense unless you are like a 6 hour a week raid

[manic salmon]

for sure

[slate lantern]

Well sub is more fun so that's the only number that most care about

[alpine wraith]

maybe they are 2 days

[honest saddle]

because the first 5 bosses are really easy

[dusty totem]

Yub

[manic salmon]

consistent p1 on NK is such a nightmare

[final wasp]

NK is rumored to get nerfed tomorrow, so idk if thats the case anymore

[warm marlin]

we're coming up on week3

[alpine wraith]

actually yea gear cant help with double claw

[manic salmon]

just from last night

40 pulls

[alpine wraith]

or not soaking the ghost

[manic salmon]

25% uptime

[final wasp]

Ok, but like you dont have the koffing debuff on boss. Gigashreds right out the azoo

[manic salmon]

good luck

i wasnt in on araz but it got it from vauly

[final wasp]

I think we should ban this guy

Red name in blue chat

[manic salmon]

i like sub more as it stands

[honest saddle]

sure sure...

keep your hands where we can see em

[alpine wraith]

i got normal forge

[manic salmon]

for what its worth

[warm marlin]

if it makes people look at spirits maybe theres a chance

[alpine wraith]

dont think im ever getting a better one until vault

[void ocean]

relax, guy who wants to ban u is not even playing rogue 😄

[alpine wraith]

ronkles on warr koffing on cat

[manic salmon]

that majes it even more dangerous

[alpine wraith]

only whispyr last bastion

and i dont even remember if rosvall still plays

[honest saddle]

you could nerf sin so it did negative damage and buffed the boss

and whispyr would play it

[final wasp]

[void ocean]

Shadows (of themselves) 😄

[final wasp]

Ill have you know I did lfr as rogue this week

[honest saddle]

how did it go? Tell us a tale of your legendary journey

[final wasp]

Dawg

[honest saddle]

im listening...

[final wasp]

Lets not talk about dimensius lfr

[runic trail]

LFR dimensius is pain

[honest saddle]

group of 30

8 alive

killing final 50%

[final wasp]

Accurate

[limpid sage]

worst lfr experience of my life

[honest saddle]

let me offer you a silver lining

[limpid sage]

90% of the time is just people leaving, someone new joins and instantly takes the portal xd

[honest saddle]

wipe on dimmy 10 x on lfr

[limpid sage]

leaving to more people leaving

[honest saddle]

get that sweet determination buff

turn on logs

[bright elk]

Who doesn’t love progging lfr p3 dimmy?

[honest saddle]

get rank 1 lfr

[void epoch]

Is shuriken tornado ever worth it in keys now? And if so would you want to use it in your dance/symbols or is it outside of the cds to farm dance charges

[limpid sage]

the real prog is having people not taking the portal immediately as they join

[void ocean]

portal is there to be taken

i dont see the problem

[honest saddle]

why would they put it there

if im not supposed to take it

[void ocean]

ikr

[warm marlin]

i killed lfr dimmy as the last member alive in the raid

hard carried frfr

[final wasp]

The only thing ur carrying around here big fella

is the weight of the world on your shoulders

[limpid sage]

is it possible to make personal note adjust it's timers based on a certain mechanic coming up?

or will I have to cook something up

[final wasp]

Depends on the boss, some fights are notorious for having different timers based on pushes etc etc

[shadow snow]

In the guide i feel the raid cleave build and the council build are the same am i wrong?

[alpine wraith]

could be we dont change many talents around

[limpid sage]

ye exactly

[alpine wraith]

the only bosses i change to replicating+1 finality instead of PE are hunters saladbar and dimensius

[limpid sage]

just wondering if you could anchor it to a certain id or something

[warm marlin]

Yes you can anchor it to spell completion if a boss has variable timers

It’s a bit annoying of a process though

[alpine wraith]

yea you can use spell id and some mumbo

i never got too into personal note thingies

just put my cds there

[warm marlin]

what boss are you looking at doing it for? afaik none have variable timers this tier except like araz/loom

i guess dimmy too

[scarlet oyster]

hi, I got a question, are we supposed to use backstab instead of shadowstrike after SD anytime with out exception beside 0 cp & coup isn't ready ?

I was checking logs and seeing most of subs not doing it I was wondering why

[limpid sage]

I wasn't really looking for a particular boss, but it just came to mind thinking of something like OAB with the bombs spawning

or gallywix energy bar

still don't really know when his goons came down xd

[warm marlin]

you can use something like {time:0:07,SCC:464801:1}

reminds 7 seconds after a spell cast completion, which is what i used for bandit

[limpid sage]

sick

where'd you find the syntax for this?

[clever delta]

Ppl with blessing from paladin are cheating, change my mind

[alpine wraith]

it is an external like any other

kinda cool on longer fights too

[warm marlin]

clicking stuff in the reminder timeline tab, then exporting it to mrt note

[alpine wraith]

although usually only 1 is needed

[limpid sage]

thank you baller

[alpine wraith]

which timeline reminder thing you use echo or liquid?

[warm marlin]

i was referring to method's but i just rip the raw note usually

[limpid sage]

soon I will outsource thinking to mrt note entirely

[alpine wraith]

oh method also work

have to use that one more

[warm marlin]

we have liquid's but i like the text format

easier to edit

[limpid sage]

btw

when you guys were at araz

did you all stick to standing in front of pool and knocking them in?

[clever delta]

Do I get full cds off in intermission on salamander withnout blessings?

[alpine wraith]

you just get them later on the platform

[clever delta]

What im suppose to do first 10 sec

[alpine wraith]

as you might expect it is not ideal

[warm marlin]

yes you can still get full flag you just have to press flag instantly throughout the entire fight

[alpine wraith]

so it also comes later on the amp

[limpid sage]

because we're standing behind the pools currently and had 2 wipes at low %

[clever delta]

I hate it

[warm marlin]

amp should start at 4:25 and flag comes up at 4:31

[limpid sage]

just thinking if the uptime diff might be the difference in us clearing

[alpine wraith]

boss goes to p3 at % of life

so if you are missing in the end

it is because of other things

[limpid sage]

when should you phase him?

5 mins?

[alpine wraith]

after second amp he should be 15% or lower

[queen plinth]

do i play it correctly when im sending on cd and hold cds when flag comes up so i get 2 shadow dances during flag + symbols?

[clever delta]

Ok

[warm marlin]

you can still do insane dragon damage without autumn to be clear (this is without lust). it feels kinda bad seeing all the other rogues get it but its almost entirely unnecessary

[limpid sage]

lust would've added another 200k pog

[warm marlin]

its like 6% damage in a 30s window

[hazy breach]

I mean autumn is better than not having it, but its not gamebreaking if you miss it

[limpid sage]

I need to save fuu's pic of the dps gain of all the raid buffs next time he posts

[warm marlin]

ye you can still get your full cds off on both platform and amp before they end is my point

[hazy breach]

Ye but youll get to use your cds with a bunch of saved sht and guaranteed coup

[scenic plover]

autumn?

[hazy breach]

instead of having em be used on the dance beforehand

But ye you still get your cds out

[warm marlin]

i skip one use of dance to full pool anyway

idk if its worth

[warm marlin]

this is overcapping like 5s beforehand

[native zodiac]

With autumn

[scenic plover]

whats autumn

[slate lantern]

blessing of autumn, hpal buff

[runic trail]

The season after summer

[karmic harbor]

if i tell my hpal to autumn me is he gonna be mad

what do they usually do

[warm marlin]

when i remember to hold maghar ill be there

[scenic plover]

interesting fact btw, having someone in your raid named "everyone" and then assigning them stuff in the note makes for fun interactions

[native zodiac]

I think i had a pull where i got to 34m but i cba going through logs on phone

[outer rivet]

with prism as sub do you send it with shadowblades or do you hold it till 18 stacks?

[slate lantern]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Its a trinket you should be using with your Shadow Blades, using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.

[runic trail]

Have a second one called 'You' and a third called 'Healers'

Maximum confusion

[native zodiac]

Shuriken toss the boss when you leave to your platform and when you comeback, allowed me to get full prism stacks usually

[warm marlin]

ye i did

[native zodiac]

Bc you wasting procs on the prism usually otherwise

Ah okay

[warm marlin]

we killed our add like 15s early so i missed 2 stacks

[scenic plover]

the note interacted with the name and send reminders to everyone

[warm marlin]

still feeling out the damage

[native zodiac]

Ah rip

[pliant arrow]

ayt im done being a noob macroing cb to sectec, whats yall's cb bind?

[rare laurel]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[swift tinsel]

my sectech lol

just have a naked sectech bind

[pliant arrow]

not a bad solution ngl

[tiny sierra]

my gem sim told me to use a few haste gems, is it normal or i fucked up my sims? lol

[clever delta]

Tokin stop flexing

[native zodiac]

Wait unil you get to dim, can cook some cds there

[rare laurel]

!mistaks

[clever delta]

Or it's send zerocool after you

[rare laurel]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[warm marlin]

looks like a fun fight

[weary bone]

HEY ! what are the benefits of playing [The First Dance] in MM+, knowing that you are never / almost never more than 6 sec out of combat ? thx for your anwers ❤️

[swift tinsel]

you do 🙂

and you can game it

but even getting tfd just a few times is much better than the alternative talent

[native zodiac]

Think im good

[slate lantern]

weaponmaster is ass

[limpid sage]

Doesn’t it proc off rupture ticks?

Or am I hallucinating

[weary bone]

thx guys ❤️

[warm marlin]

no auto attacks

[limpid sage]

Oh I thought it was the rupture ticks

[warm marlin]

if you're not actively meleeing the boss you're going to slowly delay it

[limpid sage]

Is that because poison counts as an ability

[warm marlin]

ye

[limpid sage]

That’s cooked

[native zodiac]

[limpid sage]

But much appreciated

Else we’d have to track the icd of it

[warm marlin]

can see it during 3rd spirits sometimes when i walk out of melee and lose like 6s of icd

[clever delta]

Im pretty sure he blame you for int dagger

[native zodiac]

I did that aswell lmao, i was too scared to fuck up the ghosts

[native zodiac]

Think he had more the blame then that int dagger craft

Man was a weapon

[clever delta]

Weapon of God

[tepid trellis]

i had the lowest of low rolls on our burn, it wasent pretty

[limpid sage]

Might have to test what the avg proc rate of poisons is and make an icd tracker anyway

[clever delta]

Ok so I need toss boss too

[tepid trellis]

but i absolutely fucked up the platforms

[clever delta]

Cool strat

[tepid trellis]

so i still did infinite overall

[native zodiac]

What was your titan dmg stealhti

[tepid trellis]

360m

[native zodiac]

Our side also got completely nuked

Ah you beat me

Think i had 330m

[clever delta]

You guys tracking icd of prism?

[tepid trellis]

think i did 1.2bil dmg

on the platform alone

[native zodiac]

Lmao

[limpid sage]

Not yet but I plan to

[clever delta]

That's mental

[tepid trellis]

i aint tracking that shit

waste of time

[limpid sage]

I mean it’s only during downtime it makes sense to look at

[native zodiac]

Ye you gapped me hard on platform dmg then, i did 1.05b

But i popped off on amp

[tepid trellis]

xD

[native zodiac]

[tepid trellis]

cant wait to pad on it on farm with prism

gonna go hard

[native zodiac]

Same im looking forward to farm this tier aswell

Gonna be good content

You guys far into dim?

[vagrant sinew]

did you get autumn?

[tepid trellis]

nah

[pseudo coral]

Do you ever press shuriken storm in single target?

[tepid trellis]

we had like 1 pull on him after we killed nexus thursday night

[tepid trellis]

i do yes

[native zodiac]

Ah alright, jm trying to figure out cds on it but unsure

[tepid trellis]

ive got everything mapped out

start to finnish xD

[native zodiac]

Holding 1:30 for araz sounds kinda good

[tepid trellis]

depending on your p1 push timing yeah

[native zodiac]

Mind giving me a peak in dms

[tepid trellis]

can be

im kinda on the fence about delaying them or not

will have to see how the dmg is lookin

[native zodiac]

Ye if you land 3:30 on p1 you can send max stack prism that way and let it stack again

And you wont lose anything by holding

[tepid trellis]

sent a dm

[clever delta]

Damn meanwhile im trying to not use araz with stacked prism on forge 😄

Send help

[brisk onyx]

!def

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[pliant arrow]

i sent araz instead of 18 stacked prism on last amp on forge last kill ggs xdd

[vagrant sinew]

dont think it will max stack because of flying but close enough

[tepid trellis]

well p1 is like 2:50 ish

so very close

[native zodiac]

Ye its like 17 usually

Good enough

[errant ferry]

Go behind the pool Strat for araz seems like the go to now yeah?

[final wasp]

Whats the cloak timing for araz soak? Right before, after?

[native zodiac]

1sec before

[sly shore]

requires the cloak immune

but if not after works

[tepid trellis]

0,1-0,9 before impact

[final wasp]

Thank. You are making some duder very happy in RLE.

[neon frigate]

!aoe

[wicked jolt]

• Always cast Coup de Grace when it is ready, regardless of target count.
• Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
• At ALL target counts use Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm.

[alpine wraith]

yep need the 1 sec cloak to not get the heal debuff

[proven plover]

0.5 sec before pop u step someone, cloak the pop, then step back to adds and then think to yourself "this sucks" and the Group wouldve probably survived without you helping with the soak so the next pull you just dont soak at all and just tunnel the adds. If your Group survives you can just keep getting away with it and if not, rip your parse

[alpine wraith]

or you can cloak after but you get the dmg

[limpid sage]

Wait there’s a diff on cloak effectiveness based on how far along it is?

[runic trail]

First second is full immunity, rest of it is something else

[light hull]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint violet]

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406266615619784765/suble.webp

[scarlet oyster]

does anyone knows how fractilus trinket is simmed on 5 min patchwerk ? does it wait for it to be stacked or does it sends every 1:30mins

[sterile iris]

I’ve currently got Lilly and netherprism for my trinkets - would I use Lilly on my first major CD then prism on my second major CD window? And just alternate each trinket

Weird timing lol

[scarlet oyster]

alright, well, 3mins between each use seems nice but I was wondering as I got MM antenna, what if I get prism as 2nd trinket but it would be my only on use trinket

then I would be forced to send it every 1min30

[sterile iris]

Oh sorry - I wasn’t answering your question if it seems that way! I wasn’t asking one myself

[scarlet oyster]

oh okok cause it partly answered it lol

[slate lantern]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Its a trinket you should be using with your Shadow Blades, using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.

[scarlet oyster]

tyyyy

[rigid sparrow]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[neon frigate]

When shadowdance is active with a big group do i have to switch targets to apply find weakness?

[scenic plover]

after blades, do i wait for my next cb before i use a dance?

or just send and use when it overlaps

[hazy breach]

neither, dont use CB outside of blades

[scenic plover]

but you can 2 times?

[hazy breach]

Not reliably no

Unless you delay flag

Because the exact timing of your cb in your blades window isnt constant, so sometimes you get more procs and get your sectech earlier than 90s from your previous one

[hazy breach]

"have to" is a strong word, on low target counts (like 3/4) then yeah you'd ideally do that if theres no priority target

But on higher target count the value diminishes so its not really worth thinking too much about

[kindred dock]

Hi all, Hope you're doing well. Is the two on-use-trinkets-thing the better option overall? (prism + 2nd on use)? Or is it just a m+ thing? Just asking, because some streamer i watch are using this combination

[hazy breach]

Prism+forge specifically is good yes

[kindred dock]

so prism every two cd's cause of stacking the agi buff

[hazy breach]

Not massively ahead of prism+antenna, but its good

[scenic plover]

but why would wowhead then say to macro cb to sectech

[hazy breach]

It doesnt say to just macro it and never think about it

[kindred dock]

okay, i've got the mythic floodgate trinket in 2nd slot or the option with the on-use from ecodome on nonheroic. + prism.

I know. Sim urself but its like simming this content isn't that reliable for me. maybe i'm doing something wrong

[kindred dock]

take 2 buttons. one normal st and one with buff. that's the way i do

[slate lantern]

literally the next section

[scenic plover]

ok but if i use that macro do i use dance / sectech on cd then or wait for one of the cb uses when its close

[civic robin]

Hi guys, I’m new to Sub Rogue.
I’ve been checking out guides on yt, wowhead, etc., but they all seem to say different things about when to use Black Powder and how to handle AOE. Could someone give me a simple, summarized explanation? Thanks!

Also, why is shuriken storm used after first coup with T4?

[alpine wraith]

to not waste unseens

[woven ruin]

dm stack

[swift tinsel]

BP on 4+ targets

[alpine wraith]

as for bp as long as you have 4 targets you can sen dit

[woven ruin]

but idk im also just learning

[swift tinsel]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[slate lantern]

wdym wait for one of the cb uses when its close

cb should only be used on the second sectec in your 1.30cd windows each time

[civic robin]

oh ok now it makes sense

[scenic plover]

ok but we went over how i macro it to sectech

and i will use sectech outside of blades

so it will sometimes use cb

[slate lantern]

you need another naked sectec

[tepid trellis]

then just play like norma

l

[slate lantern]

if you use that macro

[civic robin]

So powder always better at +4? even if you have flawless form you dont use eviscerate?

[tepid trellis]

and it will be used when its used

[swift tinsel]

instead, macro sectech to cb

[scenic plover]

thats not what the guide says and not sth i want to do

[slate lantern]

ok then dont play optimally and potentially lose a bunch of damage

[scenic plover]

for the start that is fine for me

[tepid trellis]

kaz just prentend you dont have CB specced and just play like normal and it will get used when its used

having to try and time it at exactly 45sec and have it up for the correct sectech is too much brain bandwith to keep track on during a fight, so just slam the fucker

[tepid trellis]

yes BP will always be more overall dmg at 4 or more targets

[civic robin]

ok ty

[forest moss]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[outer goblet]

i just have a macro with shadow blades and sectech and then a macro with cold blood in my sectec so i will never press it first during shadow blades but i will press CB on a dance window in between flag windows

[wheat elk]

the ratio of getting invited to17s gone to 0%

[outer goblet]

probably gimping myself but w/e

[forest moss]

was there a weakaura that helps tracking coup?

[wheat elk]

16s people were more generous=/

[tepid trellis]

probably 100s of them on wago

most packs have one as well

[queen plinth]

can we compete with uncapped classes like fdk bm hunter in keys like priory/gambit?

in 11 priory

and i felt like i didnt even do that bad

[tepid trellis]

you can yes

[hazy breach]

But also fdk aint uncapped

[queen plinth]

but are we mostly for prio dmg?

[tepid trellis]

BP is also "uncapped"

[hazy breach]

Just like sub is

[tepid trellis]

no lol

sub aint there for prio dmg

[hazy breach]

Thats assa

[tepid trellis]

Sub is the AoE pad spec of rogue atm

[queen plinth]

that bm was 697 btw

the dk was 708

and im 702 4p

i should be more up then no?

[analog hearth]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[tepid trellis]

you probably should be, but we have got no idea how well build your character is

or if you are playing correctly or not

704 doesent really mean much if your trinkets are dogwater etc

[queen plinth]

how many ruptures are you spreading before u go into cds

yea got lily and this fkn st sac

[tepid trellis]

as many as it takes for the tank to gather the mobs

[queen plinth]

sack of terror

[tepid trellis]

just from a random +11 weekly eco dome

[slate lantern]

thats what my wife calls me

[queen plinth]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

im pretty sure my rotation is good

[tepid trellis]

@hazy breach last boss eco crank i just realised wtf did i do to that boss xD

[plush roost]

Prism on 30% amp moment?

[queen plinth]

does not being able to restealth give us big dmg loss?

[hazy breach]

Big bonkerman

[hazy breach]

no

[plush roost]

Not really, can meld(if ne) vanish at the end of a pack to start getting tfd back if cds coming

[vale pine]

nice

[queen plinth]

tfd?

[plush roost]

The first dance talent

12 second shadow dance very strong

[queen plinth]

AHHHH THATS WHY SOME OF MY DANCES ARE LONGER

was wondering

[plush roost]

Guys its one day before reset anyone wanna manifest a prism for me

[tepid trellis]

no

[plush roost]

11 frac kills and 3 vaults im due

D:

[tepid trellis]

cuz real reset is in 2 days

so

if i get it on mythic in my vault

[plush roost]

Europe speaking

[tepid trellis]

then yes you can have one

im not european

"technically"

[queen plinth]

lfr prism worth?

[grave shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rancid crow]

I thought that didn’t drop combat in m+?

[vale pine]

sim question

[plush roost]

They drop combat except bosses

[queen plinth]

yea thought maybe prism is like forge for feral. where even lfr is better than all the other trinkets kinda

[rancid crow]

That’s good to know, ty

[slate lantern]

pretty close to that

[rancid crow]

I guess that’s really like the only time sub even needs vanish then

[outer goblet]

lfr prism is like a 3-4% upgrade for me on a 710 seaforium pacemaker on dslice sims

[plush roost]

Well vanish is also an insane defensive

If youre down dance charges, it heals 30% hp with the one talent and is 10% dr with fade

[queen plinth]

so i basically vanish at the end of a pack and wait 6 seconds

[rancid crow]

My only experience with it is in delves in modern wow, and it doesn’t work there. I should start using it more in m+

I tried to reset a boss with it last week and I got smacked like a bug

In raid*

[dreamy oasis]

Is it still a good optimization to use Backstab once in dance? Or is it not worth it ?

[plush roost]

Ye you can track it. Usually i try to use it as a pack is like 3 seconds from being done and the one storm powder i do is w.e, then i can get it back fast enough so i can start rupture spreading during the next gather

[solemn creek]

At start of dance only (for premed)

[plush roost]

Its all very situational

[rancid crow]

Bleeds don’t snapshot on sub, right?*

[plush roost]

Requires quite a bit of situational awareness and understanding of your teams damage profile as to not waste time

[slate lantern]

snapshot is feral only these days

[rancid crow]

Doesn’t garrote snapshot on sin though?

With improved garrote I guess

Maybe not a real snapshot

[slate lantern]

i literally know nothing about assa and intend to keep it that way

[tepid trellis]

it does yes

[fossil forge]

inshallah bro prism araz and boots in vault

[tepid trellis]

Finality rupture does as well

[rancid crow]

There is no such thing as garrote on assa forget everything you heard from me

Feral is basically sin without tmog anyway

[wicked jolt]

Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.

[scarlet oyster]

wow

did you have full prism at the engage ? can I see the log if you have one ?

[azure thicket]

can anyone napkin math how much of a loss it is to use oathsworn* oh enchant in m+

[swift tinsel]

you can top gear sim it

scroll down -> check 'replace gems and enchants' and swap it

[azure thicket]

mm

[amber cargo]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[sly shore]

Will this actually use forge if off cd and prism if not lmao

that's actually quite funny if so

[final wasp]

Just because you went to brazil for the buttlift doesnt make you less of a european homie

[vale pine]

buttlift

[lucid jackal]

I do love that its just such a common thought that, "If this spec does damage in keys, its uncapped" lol

[tepid trellis]

im not even born in EU

only been in EU for like 20 years

[hazy breach]

We love buzzwords folks, we do

[vale pine]

so, you ordered a haste cap?

[finite kelp]

Is it Fine to use?

#showtooltip Backstab
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death, Backstab

[vale pine]

yes

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[final wasp]

Cant believe you dont have it macroed to backstab

[tepid trellis]

im gonna unban owl

[lilac stag]

can’t believe you don’t have it macroed to rake

[tepid trellis]

how bout that

[azure thicket]

it was something like 0.6% by the way

[final wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/run-twin-run-cat-gif-11721473836057368714

[azure thicket]

this dude is making portioned* steak in the ah rn and im trying to buy things

[slate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/apple-dog-plankton-battle-duel-fight-gif-7688109332376548358

[mossy zodiac]

!chain

[vale pine]

if you want to know about chainpulls

they are fine for us

ofc. if you can, you would love to get 6 sec of downtime between each pack to proc tfd

but stealth on its own is w/e

[alpine wraith]

you can vanish while the tank chains too

some mobs do put you in combat but usually when last one is like 20% just skeep off somewhere

then come back

[neon frigate]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[toxic cedar]

the first dance talent

op, my chat didnt update xdd, sry for the @ then homie

[devout jackal]

Would it be easier to add this to the !macro command?

[vale pine]

possible, its more specific

[acoustic matrix]

Hey folks, honnestly feel like I've played this fight perfectly but only got a 80, any idea why ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2vxY1J3PynZqkCQ9?fight=28&type=casts&view=timeline&source=519

[twilit oracle]

Is sub better for forgeweaver araz or is assassin better?

[scenic plover]

sub imo

[twilit oracle]

do we save cds for when the first set of ads spawn in?

or just rip them on pull

[swift tinsel]

many are sending cds for first spawn at ~22sec

[solemn creek]

Send a dance/symbol and 1 sec tech on pull. Hold flag for 1st spawn. Use flag when people have their add line up. Ur 2nd sec tech with cold blood + coup de grace will be up for add. Then u send every add spawn

They will line up

[karmic harbor]

pretty sure the amount of adds that spawn scale on heroic

[solemn creek]

During intermission u can send 1 natty sec tech when add + tower are close.. but hold for amp

[twilit oracle]

So dance + symbols and a tech, and then just don't use anymore until the ads are lined up. Then send everything into it?

[solemn creek]

If u send flag 4 sec before amp. U will get 2 sec tech in the amp

[solemn creek]

Work the timing. But u wanna make sure ur cold blood sec tech is on the add. Depend on your group dps

[twilit oracle]

Aight thank you, appreciate that

First time prog on this boss + 2nd time sub since df

[solemn creek]

Watch shindigg pov for forgeweaver

If u wanna nail the timing

This fight looks like it was designed for sub

[tropic nimbus]

I was first soak so I had to send cds on pull 🤷‍♂️

[twilit oracle]

thankfully i'm 2nd soak

[tacit void]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[haughty rose]

how do i use double on use trinkets with ritual forge and netherprism in m+? first blades ritual forge, second blades netherprism, third blades ritual forge, fourth blades netherprism?

[hazy breach]

Yes, you just rotate them on blades

[haughty rose]

or do i keep netherprism off CD till i have 18 stacks and basically do fourth blades without trinket?

[lucid jackal]

Sub is better on every boss

[lucid jackal]

forge > prism > forge > prism

[twilit oracle]

cap fact?

[lucid jackal]

Truth nuke

[plush roost]

Cmon man give the assa boyd frac and plexus!

[swift tinsel]

No.

We get them all

[lucid jackal]

Just highroll on sub

[plush roost]

Fluff

[lucid jackal]

It's better on frac

[plush roost]

True

Just hit double unseen every hit in cds and crit

[swift tinsel]

Ez

[lilac stag]

Hunters disagree

[plush roost]

Predisorienting too fuck it

[swift tinsel]

thankfully easy to set up since there's lil critters everywhere

[lime verge]

same order when playing with myth track lily?

[lilac stag]

Lily unless 18 prism basically

[plush roost]

On reclear i just send sec tec on the last trash pull and help with trash by pressing storm

5head

[swift tinsel]

Lol typically same

then conveniently forget to do old vanish opener

[plush roost]

Oh were wiping? Lemme just evasion mash all my symbols for supercharger cdr annnnd sec tec okay ill die

[swift tinsel]

we call wipes weirdly so I can't rely on getting a sectech off (if its doable)

[hazy breach]

Me telling the tank im chained with to not run out when we called wipes on soul hunters prog

[plush roost]

Luckily a lot of the wipe spots on saladbar happen around the period im pooling cdr and backstabbing

So its ez to sec tec

[gilded lodge]

Wait what’s the tech with sec tech (pun intended)?

[ornate lake]

Any tips for araz?

[steel jolt]

watch people better than you kill it

[devout jackal]

What if I am the best though

[steel jolt]

then you wouldn't be asking that question probably

[devout jackal]

💯

[stiff stirrup]

is dungeon slice a good way to sim talent set ups?

[obsidian crag]

!mistake

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[stiff stirrup]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[neon frigate]

When I run thistle tea for m+ should i align this with flag and shadow blades? Or just always with shadow dance?

[lime verge]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[slow solar]

so i would like to talk about just overall dps for m+ 10 for weekly vault. if a player has same skill level and tank is not chain pulling what spec would have the most overall dps?? Sin vs Outlaw vs Sub

[devout jackal]

Yes

It's impossible to say

Sub, stuff might die before you even finish you CDs
Sin stuff might die before you ramp
Outlaw idfk who tf plays that shit outside of pure phsy comps

[tropic nimbus]

I don’t think a 10 would really matter what you play

[bronze dagger]

I never know if i should be in aoe or single in raid ? Any tips ?

[tropic nimbus]

If you check the wow head under season 3 fuu has talents for each fight

[devout jackal]

There is very little variation though if you just run the st build ur probly chillin

If you don't want to change talents

[violet palm]

Is it worth trying to fit 2nd sectech in first dance? If so, des it mean your 2nd dance would be w/o sectech?

[obtuse shard]

I just learned that araz trinket can actually kill you

[vale pine]

[willow pawn]

yah i got wombod in 18 echo yesterday

zap from sentinal + leap + trinket

woulda lived without trinket

[obtuse shard]

lol

[unkempt glacier]

Some of my first runs as subtlety, priori+10. What are the obvious issues you can spot from the damage breakdown?

7,2m overall so still way behind my assasination

[north schooner]

where is in the breakdown?

[vale pine]

its censored

needs to be pegi 12

[plush roost]

Just from a baseline observation your coup damage is very low which leads me to believe youre not utilizing unseen blade well. Your sectec being third also makes me believe youre not doing your dance rotation properly but that also could just be a byproduct of you pressing black powder more than you should

[unkempt glacier]

First one is lacking for sure. The black powder being too high I did spot myself, but I don't really know where am I pressing it when I shouldnt. I use coup de grace on proc and secret technique during symbols

And bp on 4+ targets otherwise

[stable ruin]

Why is crit simming higher than vers for me wheni only have 11% vers and 24% crit?

[devout jackal]

I'm gonna be the spreader of misinformation, and say if you are just doing 10s you can unbind black powder

[unkempt glacier]

Im resilient for 14s but dont dare to go there with the unfamiliar spec

[vagrant jewel]

yo, wowhead guide suggests playing thistle tea build , also the build pinned here suggests that, but in murlok io when I checked last week - top rogues are not playing it, this week some are, some are not, so my question - which build are we supposed to play in M+?

[hazy breach]

Either

[vale pine]

both is fine

tea feels better to play

but both have their up and downsides

[devout jackal]

I've just found life to be so much better in 10s when you just mongo burst down the prio caster in pulls and worry about aoe after. Evis still cleave (7?) anyway so good enough for me....elem or fuu feel free to correct me

[vagrant jewel]

i saw some builds with thistle tea and rotten instead of finality

anyways im rocking this

[sick sand]

finality or rotten for DH boss?

[sand roost]

Do we always want to have 2 SD's before using main cd's? Or just on the first pull of the dungeon and then enter main cd's with atleast one SD?

[stiff stirrup]

always 2

[hazy breach]

You need atleast 1½ before flag

Not the entire 2

(so 30s on the second charge)

[sand roost]

aight

[cedar willow]

Priory timings and packs arent as good for sub imo, hard to beat assa

[wintry heart]

What build are yall rocking in keys? The recommended one or the cold blood one?

[cedar willow]

Tea with rotten no tornado is my default, switch out points for tornado and finality for big pack size business

Doing 16-17s atm

[shrewd lantern]

I mean i just play cb with rotten

[tranquil egret]

why do so many rogues play sub on last 2 mythic i get dimensius with the p2 platform dmg and generally having cds for dmg amps but what with saladbar ?

[swift tinsel]

pretty sure I've been playing cb+finality but the rotten/finality thing is bc I keep forgetting to change

[warm marlin]

heres my priory 10 breakdown (in log) from a week ago. blades is certainly a bit low for you (less than half my total blades damage, less % overall as well), maybe not executing cooldown windows well (this could also be why coup/sectec is low).

hard to tell exactly without a log