maybe z-axis bug idk
#subtlety
limpid sage
sonic ermine
bois i quit assa.
with 2 on use (netherpirsm and something)
Do you send netherprism every flag or every other flag?
warm marlin
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Its a trinket you should be using with your Shadow Blades, using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
sonic ermine
okok so if u got Araz trinket ig you just send on any shadow dance/where you need dmg
sonic ermine
U send it with blades
netherprism and araz dont share 30sec cd?
warm marlin
mb didnt see the 2x on use part
alternate using them in blades
forge -> prism -> forge -> prism
lucid jackal
Ye[p
sonic ermine
ait boss mans. ty
narrow owl
Thank you, I will work on it. Really appreciate it!
hearty flint
Anyone got a good coup wa?
warm marlin
Thank you, I will work on it. Really appreciate it!
np bossman gl out there
sand roost
What is the spell, which gives me back all CP even after using all of them before on a finisher?
bright elk
Might be a silly question but On forgeboy Araz, if we setup and hit sectec before the amp but the two clones hit after the amp, they’re still amp buffed right? Or is it based on the initial hit
Trying to figure out how early to begin setting up that window to get a second sectec in
vale pine
finality is one of the few damage amps that snapshots
you can assume subtlety damage amps to not snapshot
bright elk
Cool ty
vale pine
you alternate between them
vale pine
lilly -> prism -> lilly -> prism
lunar bluff
ok fine fuu ill do that
what should i buy 2nd trinket to then
trinket is usually x
shift x is potion tho
my dslice wants me to use poopmaker trinket but im TIRED of not having a true on use trinket on first pull
twilit phoenix
shift x is potion tho
holy my shift-x is potion too
lunar bluff
HOLY
willow mantle
!wa
plush roost
Macro lily into your sblades and make prism your x key
wicked joltBOT
plush roost
Press prism before sblades
lunar bluff
that kinda sounds like text charrend
plush roost
Problem solved
plush roost
Nop
lunar bluff
warm marlin
my dslice wants me to use poopmaker trinket but im TIRED of not having a true on...
lily prism is just bad
lily so icky
lunar bluff
it might be bad but wanna know whats worse
first pull gambit with 1 stack of your prism
plush roost
I have soleahs from hm and it sims 10k higher as versa than pacemaker
warm marlin
but think about all the pulls after!
plush roost
Freed
warm marlin
and you can still do 30M with 1stack prism
lunar bluff
yes but imagine more than that
plush roost
Straight up first pull gambit is all pad
lunar bluff
details dmg meter is what matters
lunar bluff
when can i play outlaw
forest moss
!wa
wicked joltBOT
plush roost
Find a good brew
lunar bluff
econ offline
lunar bluff
surely soon
plush roost
Pres is too good this season i think
Dhanglin may be sticking around
I had kigly do 2.3m overall as a healer the other night
Like wtf is that
Doing a bear druids damage ongod
lunar bluff
yes im worried by brew is actually jst gone
modest river
waht flask dfo we use right now?
modest river
fair, thank you
lunar bluff
Play with kwhatever? They always are missing a rogue
not a fan of that group xd
swift tinsel
I usually go alch in raid and vers in keys
lunar bluff
deeps is goated tho
lunar bluff
Zimbita keys are content
avg zimbita key
plush roost
Imissdragonlfight
cold grail
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
cold grail
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
karmic harbor
we're changing forgeweaver strat to move adds behind the portal 😩
ranged just nuking them before i can hit
silent ruin
can rogue immune hunt on soul hunters ? with evade or cloak ?
warm marlin
cloak
stoic token
in aoe should i use SS in between coup outside of shadowblades in dance or shadowtrike?
warm marlin
in aoe should i use SS in between coup outside of shadowblades in dance or shado...
shadowstrike, only storm in blades
or in aoe
viral phoenix
in aoe you can storm outside of blades as well if it gives you max combo points (similar thing only once per dance ever tho)
warm marlin
you can do it as well over shadowstrike
stoic token
im talking aoe
warm marlin
4 targets or higher
stoic token
yea this toon is m+ only, so trying to figure out the m+ nuances
when shadowblades comes up and a pack is at like 30%(wont live through a full shadowblades) is it alright to send a symbols/dance as long as it doesnt fuck up your shadowblades on the next pack?
plush roost
Define 30%
stoic token
yea i put a preface in it
plush roost
100m hp? Or 400m hp?
sand patio
!gear
wicked joltBOT
plush roost
Because if a pack wont live through sblades but you get 10+ seconds of it
Its still wprth sending
latent finch
on araz if your second soak do you dance the next 2 add sets?
plush roost
So that pack doesnt take 25 seconds
Your overall will.suffer
But the key will.go faster
stoic token
thats why i was saying throw a dance/symbols and then get full value with sblades on the next pack
bleak night
ok but if i look worse on details its not worth
hallow kernel
question. after the opener sequence and flag is back up. do i send it with rup again even if its max on the target?
hallow kernel
if coup is up what do i send it on after? sec?
lunar bluff
@plush roost
plush roost
Destiny
warm marlin
if coup is up what do i send it on after? sec?
can do straight flag dance symbols sectec blades yes
hallow kernel
thank you!
open glade
so just want to make sure - when you guys are simming for crafted gear (im thinking of making a ring)
are you guys using dungeon slice?
or using 1 target patchwerk?
swift tinsel
I usually check both
open glade
ah got it
keen dome
I just send dungeon slice
You might think "Why, isn't it better to sim both?" and you'd be right but typically at this point in a season I forget to swap my M+ spec to raid spec half the time so I'm just being sensible.
swift tinsel
plus raid and m+ talents can be very close
I just like checking both contexts to get an idea
warm marlin
dungeon slice is also intended to include a good amount of single target to accurately represent a m+ dungeon
arguably too much st in a lot of cases
queen kraken
i remember someone posting them but i cannot find them rn
keen dome
Ye
pseudo coral
anyone else encountering issue where secret technique + cold blood macro just breaks only in raid?
swift tinsel
!cbbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
pseudo coral
awesome tysm
fringe geyser
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
ornate lake
Watching plebs in assa discord have presidential debates about re-stealths and how hard is when the tank keeps chaining
rocky cave
!loot
wicked joltBOT
vale pine
Watching plebs in assa discord have presidential debates about re-stealths and h...
we have the first dance too, which requires 6 sec of out of combat, but think its wasted energy to be angry about it
!cbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
rocky ocean
limpid sage
what's easiest strat on forge? I've heard some people lust collectors and just skip intermission
we're on 54%
realize now I should've put in wow-general
radiant schooner
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
turbid arch
do we go wound poison for halls mini boss
rancid cypress
When i am in my shadow dance on 4 or more targets is it more optimal to throw an eviserate out as my 2nd finisher and then spam black powder for the rest of the duration? or is it just best to always press black powder. I ask because I am unsure of how much danse Macabre actually matters in aoe
acoustic lodge
do we go wound poison for halls mini boss
which mini boss?
acoustic lodge
Ooh gotcha.. ty ty
placid hornet
Does anyone know why my cold blood and secret technique macro doesn't work, IK got it from the wowhead paghe. It seems to prioritise Secret Technique everyttime
cursive vapor
Does anyone know why my cold blood and secret technique macro doesn't work, IK g...
!cbbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
flint girder
!wa
wicked joltBOT
thorny ridge
!fuu
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cursive spear
hey when do i use shiv as sub? Playing CB but i dont see where shiv is used in the guide at all
wraith sphinx
it's used for utility if you need a soothe or big slow, that's kinda it
we don't use it in our normal rotation
vale pine
hey when do i use shiv as sub? Playing CB but i dont see where shiv is used in t...
if you want to dispell enrage
shiv is only a rotational button on assassiantion
cursive spear
oh ok cool thank you!
wild hornet
on Araz M, for the arcane obliteration (big soak), are you supposed to cloak before or after the soak to get rid of the healing absorb?
scenic plover
what slot should i go for embelish?
ripe flame
on Araz M, for the arcane obliteration (big soak), are you supposed to cloak bef...
You'd want to cloak 1 sec before the cast finishes, the first second of cloak has a sort of super immunity
And you get no heal absorb
lone halo
Howdy friends. Is there an energy sweet spot to have before the mini cooldown Dance+Symbols+ST outside of 90 second cooldowns?
lethal lark
Does any ability during dance apply FW? Or only like shadow strike?
neon frigate
!st
dusk stone
When i am in my shadow dance on 4 or more targets is it more optimal to throw an...
you dont optimize for DM
neon frigate
Dm?
dusk stone
danse macabre
hallow night
You can use like 1 global for DM stacks. Typically it's a backstab with premed or a shuriken storm between coups to not munch procs
It just so lines up that those globals grant DM and are good for other reasons
daring trail
so, when you go into SB/Flag window with a coup ready do we ignore the coup and go with SecTec first on dance or do we do two coups then delay teh SecTec? The second one is weird with the timings for the second dance and so on
scenic plover
would it make sense to go 2 target rupture for soul hunters mythic?
dusk stone
so, when you go into SB/Flag window with a coup ready do we ignore the coup and ...
you sectec first usually because you dont get the stacks if the target isn't fazed
dusk stone
would it make sense to go 2 target rupture for soul hunters mythic?
it does yes
casual got 11.70mil overall in fg 18
daring trail
you sectec first usually because you dont get the stacks if the target isn't faz...
Aight thanks
thin sinew
!cbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
thin sinew
i was literally just about to ask about this
was so confused why it wasn't on my WA and could only use it manually from spellbook
scenic plover
__**Cold Blood bug:**__
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fate...
is this only assa fate or also outlaw fate?
dusk stone
how does one use tornado appropriately
feral bluff
why is the sim evicerating in the opening before going into cooldowns
random comet
is this only assa fate or also outlaw fate?
Outlaw doesn’t take the CB point in fate tree so unlikely you’d run into it as outlaw
scenic plover
true
olive jacinth
How we open on Dimensius?
random comet
I assume if you did then you’d get the bug
sonic ermine
yo let me guess real quick.
If no netherprism, double on use kinda dog?
random comet
Yeah
sonic ermine
ait so lily + azog dog nice
lone halo
Howdy friends. Is there an energy sweet spot to have before the mini cooldown Da...
Anyone able to answer this?
random comet
I mean depends on your definition of dog
sonic ermine
I mean depends on your definition of dog
me no use = dog xd
random comet
But the idea is you can save netherprism for 3m then juice the blades/flag in between as well
dusk stone
we dont pool generally except 20s before big cds but thats to farm sht and coup
sonic ermine
i mean sims says dont do it. but im betting sim would say dont use azog + netherprism
sonic ermine
(default sim no funky wonky change things)
ebon fjord
wtf xD
rancid cypress
you dont optimize for DM
Thank you
hallow night
On mini cds during aoe (M+) I've started to consistently go into them with max combo points and start with sod > sec tec > coup > shuriken storm (premed) > coup. Can switch storm and coup 1 around depending on status of SHT stacks
steel zinc
what slot should i go for embelish?
wrist
left ledge
Just wait
Hands aren’t super high value
Your prio should be weapons (mh), trinkets, chest/pants/helm
scenic plover
Your prio should be weapons (mh), trinkets, chest/pants/helm
cant really do much there without wasting crests
if i use lily and prism with the shadow blades macro with both in there
would that work?
or do i need to use one manually?
twilit oracle
hazy breach
cant really do much there without wasting crests
Drop the radiant power for a secondary stat enchant 
(that isnt haste)
plush frost
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
exotic zephyr
when should i be running inevitability and the rotten instead of finality?
is there like a reason to why i should be running those 2 instead of that
wicked joltBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
random comet
if i use lily and prism with the shadow blades macro with both in there
No you generally can’t use two on-use trinkets at the same time, it will incur a 20 second cooldown on the second one
daring tusk
!def
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <
scenic plover
No you generally can’t use two on-use trinkets at the same time, it will incur a...
thats not what i meant
with forge and prism you can use the same macro as forge is used first in macro and will be on cd / force prism cd anyway
lethal lark
What debuffs should we consistently track?
void ocean
did anyone here soak pillars at Loom
bleak night
probably
scenic plover
Drop the radiant power for a secondary stat enchant <:Surebud:108382736081566523...
basically no damage gain
random comet
with forge and prism you can use the same macro as forge is used first in macro ...
Oh right. I think it wouldn’t work since the usual cd for prism is short it would end up just using that at low stacks
hazy breach
with forge and prism you can use the same macro as forge is used first in macro ...
Ye as long as you dont end up delaying your cds, then it can be a bit cursed
north schooner
if i use lily and prism with the shadow blades macro with both in there
you can't because they are both ready at 90s, it would always use the first one in the macro
random comet
It would use araz once first then prism at low stacks from then on
scenic plover
you can't because they are both ready at 90s, it would always use the first one ...
so all the lily prism players have seperate keybinds then
sadge
scenic plover
It would use araz once first then prism at low stacks from then on
no it would alternate forge and prism
random comet
Yeah I just rethought that
Yeah it would as long as you’re not delaying as eleem says
scenic plover
even delay would be fine as forge is first in macro
scenic plover
hm true
random comet
Not sure why you’d use lily and nether prism, how would you be managing them at 3m, just not sending lily or desyncing it by sending on a non-blades dance/sod?
scenic plover
but like if i delay cds there is reason and then i use again with one of the strong trinkets anyway right?
what time does prism need for full stacks?
random comet
I mean that’s probably not hugely worse then a decent passive I guess
3min
1 stack every 10s up to 18
upper narwhal
Lily + Prism outsims everything except forge/antenna + prism for me
scenic plover
ye but using lily + prism is annoying
if i can use both trinkets with only 1 macro i am fine
upper narwhal
meh not really you just bind prism and macro lily to cd's, press prism before cd's when you want to use it
feral bluff
can someone tell me why is my damage so low my breakdown looks good??
dusk stone
we cant see your damage
feral bluff
dusk stone
for what key
feral bluff
db
dusk stone
what key level
feral bluff
16
im assa main but been playing some sub and cant figure out why im doing no damage
you reckon wowanalyser can help or
dusk stone
post a log
heavy compass
!wa
wicked joltBOT
sterile iris
Whats the best way to use Lilly and Netherprism? Like when do I use Netherprism
Would I use it on my second SD/Sym
brave harbor
do we do this to save coup in dance?
feral bluff
post a log
scenic plover
do we do this to save coup in dance?
why are there no finishers?
hazy breach
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
scenic plover
this sounds cursed
i will move that to "when i play the spec a bit better" teritory
empty plume
this is spec baseline info
brave harbor
Also wont the shadow techniques stacks go away when I use backstab?
empty plume
you do absolutely zero dmg outside of CDs
shadow lance
do we do this to save coup in dance?
Robot became crazy
empty plume
they are sitting on 7 cp, sht stacks stay
hazy breach
Also wont the shadow techniques stacks go away when I use backstab?
They only go away if they can actually fill your cp bar
If you are at 7 cp and press backstab they wont get wasted
shadow lance
Oh robot spammed bs at 7 cp to not waste energy?
empty plume
in the image you can see the buffs on the right, one of them is shadow techniques
brave harbor
oh yeah I just tested it if there are 7 stacks they dont go away
empty plume
it backstabs a couple times until 7cp, procs unseen blade which prepares a coup, and it decides to not burn the coup until next CDs
this can literally last ~30 seconds
brave harbor
but let's say it has 0 stacks do I just stop pressing anything?
empty plume
uhh not sure I understand your question. but I'm guessing the answer to whatever you're asking is no
dusk stone
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/d1D2GCgMNrqQBbzW/8-Mythic++The+Dawnbreaker+-+Kill...
on wcl please
brave harbor
They only go away if they can actually fill your cp bar
and also didnt see this
sorry
empty plume
basically
there is just no reason to burn resources that you could save for the burst
dusk stone
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/d1D2GCgMNrqQBbzW/8-Mythic++The+Dawnbreaker+-+Kill...
read the guide honestly. you need to get the burst correct. It's kinda of correct but also pretty incorrect . You don't use dance/symbols before flag, you don't pop potion on pull (i'm assuming this was accident). There seems to be random eviserates at the start. sectec isn't being used with symbols, there's no storms between coups, there's more symbols without sectec. on 2nd burst you just go from flag straight into sectec.
!guide
dusk stone
get rid of haste shoulders too
iron plover
clever idol
hi guys pls i want to know how many target i use black pouder and eviserate in m^y burst or out of my burst
hazy breach
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
- Always cast Coup de Grace when it is ready, regardless of target count.
- Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
- At ALL target counts use Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm.
clever idol
im my shadow dance i always use shadowstrike even if dont dont build all my combo point?
sometime shadow strike give you 4 or 5 combo point for example
lapis minnow
guys hi I recently switched to sub from outlaw. in wowhead guide it says shuriken storm spreads rupture, how?
shadow lance
Ruptures each mob
dusk stone
does tornado feel difficult to use for anyone else as well?
lapis minnow
lol I got confused thanks for the explanaion 😛
rose parrot
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
fallen depot
!log
tidal beacon
I feel like I'm going crazy here, I haven't play'ed rogue in a few years but tricks of the trade is just click the ability and select a player in your party right?
It just flashes when I click it and I cant apply it to a party member
random comet
If you’re playing trickster, the application to selected party member only applies after you hit something
tidal beacon
oh thats it then
random comet
Due to hero talent
tidal beacon
should it go on CD before Im in combat though?
random comet
Yeah its a bit unintuitive, you’re not the only one
You want to use it less than 30 seconds before you plan to hit something then you don’t have to worry about it for the rest of the key (or hour in raid if you’re taking tricks)
tidal beacon
yeah it just doesnt actually engage
dense swallow
should finishers only be used at 6+ combo points? i know on outlaw some say 5+ is fine
tepid trellis
6+
dense swallow
ok ty
dusk stone
should it go on CD before Im in combat though?
the main problem is it doesnt work on ppl who are mounted, and tanks being the premadonnas that they are, won't allow you to tricks them before the key starts
random comet
Are you trying to use it with that macro? I never have issues just having it a @mouseover on raid frames
dusk stone
if you're lucky you can catch tanks unmounted as the pull timer hits 0
dense swallow
for the backstab spam would u say about 15 seconds before flag is up just use backstab and save up energy/7 combo points
tepid trellis
10
topaz venture
Are you trying to use it with that macro? I never have issues just having it a @...
it might be the macro
dense swallow
ty
topaz venture
as i do have one
for auto trivks
but i swear i tried normal tricks and still functioned weird
it didnt just instantly go on the tank for 1 hour
dusk stone
you have to select party member for that to work
the macro helps
but its still aids if tank is mounted before the key starts
random comet
it didnt just instantly go on the tank for 1 hour
No, it doesn’t just apply. You need to cast on the tank and then hit something for the 1hr buff to trigger
dusk stone
ara is a pain for that reason
topaz venture
No, it doesn’t just apply. You need to cast on the tank *and then hit something*...
ohhh okay
topaz venture
ara is a pain for that reason
it sounds like just spamming tricks before every pull works if mounting stops it and i brainfart and think tricks is up and i get agro
dusk stone
it sounds like just spamming tricks before every pull works if mounting stops it...
you take the talent to make it last 1hr
rose parrot
This may have been asked before but why isnt it recommended to macro symbols/dance?
brave harbor
No, it doesn’t just apply. You need to cast on the tank *and then hit something*...
after that we dont have to press it again?
dusk stone
do not take the other one not worth
random comet
Die, tricks buff gone, pull agro and die again 😂
random comet
Yeah you’re right sorry, it’s only if you die
dusk stone
so
topaz venture
you take the talent to make it last 1hr
1 hr tricks works even if ur tanj is mounted
dusk stone
i was in 14 streets the other day and the tank died before mail boss
random comet
1 hr tricks works even if ur tanj is mounted
If you cast tricks before they mounted then tricks works if they mount later yes
dusk stone
he spawned far away and the mobs proceeded to run to him, halfway across the dungeon pulling everything in their way
topaz venture
If you cast tricks before they mounted then tricks works if they mount later yes
ohh ok
random comet
You just can’t cast it originally on a mounted target
tidal beacon
Im just hitting the tricks button and clicking the party member or even the party frame in combat
nothing
random comet
And that includes pally horse sprint 😩
empty plume
I haven't ever tricksed someone outside of a dungeon/raid
random comet
I have the talent but it counts down 30 secs
Again, you need to hit something after that cast to apply the 1hr buff
rose parrot
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
empty plume
pretty sure it would work inside a dungeon @tidal beacon
fallow nimbus
Maybe the pvp dummies don't work
Are you horde? That warri is alliance and you hit a pvp dummy
lusty badger
Hii can someone help me with reading a log? I dont really understand what am I doing wrong. First season as subtlety
shrewd lantern
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
shrewd lantern
7 should be another coup tbh
lapis minnow
when should I ever use shuriken storm?
pliant warren
is it worth dotting as many targets as possible with rupture outside of CDs or is there a point where you'd rather not? (assuming there isn't a prio target to slam with eviscerate)
swift tinsel
when should I ever use shuriken storm?
In aoe, or between coups either with blades up or 4+ targets
swift tinsel
is it worth dotting as many targets as possible with rupture outside of CDs or i...
Typically worth to maintain on targets that live 10+sec
pliant warren
thx 
swift tinsel
shrewd lantern
true
warm marlin
Triple sectec in blades, the dream
fathom wadi
i have a question bois, does the hekili work well with sub?
lucid jackal
We won
steel jolt
fuck this rep grind man
i'd rather hump a piece of splintered balsa wood than grind world quests
obtuse phoenix
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
lucid jackal
i'd rather hump a piece of splintered balsa wood than grind world quests
UIts not grinding world quests tho
Its weeklies and like, quests
swift tinsel
Like the side quests that count towards Sojourner?
lucid jackal
ya
swift tinsel
Ah, def skipped all of those
lucid jackal
I just had them all ready to turn in when DMF buff was up
swift tinsel
Oh good call
lucid jackal
Its like that + the weekly rare kill + the ecodome events + the lore books
swift tinsel
Spent ungodly gold on inky black potions since DMF came up today
I think I’ve pretty much only done the weekly special mission thing there the past month
shrewd lantern
theres a ton of quests
swift tinsel
Yeah it sucks
shrewd lantern
Yeah if you wanted more on alts
brisk thunder
!guides
swift tinsel
So it’s just kinda a time sink
shrewd lantern
only other way to get credit for ecological succession is kill the event rare
for 20%
charred willow
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
shrewd lantern
its an hour long transformation lasts through death
turns you into bran
saying all his lines
swift tinsel
Why can’t glamours be like that
Wait how long is the cd
Big wish is glamours that have a cd that matches duration
fathom wadi
Need help, i ve crafted 2 weapons for outlaw but now wanna try some sub, i can put 720 sword in off hand? seems like i can play like that but idk if its kinda efficient or there is some passive, dont have any other dagger higher than 704 for off hand
shrewd lantern
Wait how long is the cd
1h
sword offhand is bad
also so is crafting a second wep for outlaw
steel jolt
what the
swift tinsel
Man why’s this shitass toy get a duration/cd that makes sense but nothing else does
shrewd lantern
!oh
wicked joltBOT
Shadow Techniques is not normalized and this makes a slow weapon (axe/sword/mace/fist) in offhand significantly weaker and almost never worth equiping.
shrewd lantern
Man why’s this shitass toy get a duration/cd that makes sense but nothing else d...
fathom wadi
I still have 1 left for craft ima make the dagger 720 and maybe 704 off hand still worthier?
swift tinsel
Toy should make it where if you fuck up like this it Branns you in raid/keys lol
shrewd lantern
i mean a second sword even for outlaw isnt worth
swift tinsel
Or if you butt-pull packs or shoot things across the room
fathom wadi
yeah but its kinda late haha
shrewd lantern
outlaw is sword/dagger
shrewd lantern
Or if you butt-pull packs or shoot things across the room
real
bran does more dps than most pugs i see
fathom wadi
yeah i understand but didnt know that and crafted both sword
shrewd lantern
Yeah you cant use a sword for sub
hollow creek
Guys just wondering, the choice between ephemeral bond and exhilarating execution is purely personal or am i missing something?
warm marlin
execution better in keys, arguably better in raid for some scenarios
can take bond to be safe in raid
hollow creek
ty
quick glen
ro
viscid ridge
hello guys i think there is problm in my AOE rotation can u check it plz ?
shadowstrike rupture shadow dance symbol death flagel with blade CD macro
shadow technique then black powder / shadowstrike.....
random comet
You don’t want to macro flag and blades, you want to send blades a bit later
viscid ridge
ah ? why this ?
misty hedge
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
dusk stone
A better question is why would you think its proper to macro blades and flag
viscid ridge
cause 1.5min each and i guess they match well together ?
i see many sub going to 20/30M dps i cant far than 12 max
sure ive a fking 665 dagguer cause i was outlaw^^ but i know something going wrong in my gameplay
random comet
I mean a 665 dagger is definitely a big part of that gap
random comet
But to answer your earlier question, you want blades to cover the mastery buff from flag when it’s stacked higher
dusk stone
You wouldnt want to press that until its somewhat ramped to not waste shadow blades
random comet
And also i think it covers your second sectec that way and may not if you send it with flag?
viscid ridge
ive time for 2 sectec during my "macro"
when do you think i can press on blade then ?
and we are ok 3+ targets its only B powder ?
i saw many guides but they cant say the same thing
dusk stone
You press blades/racial/potion right before secret technique
random comet
There is a very good timeline shown in a picture in the wowhead guide
viscid ridge
all right will check this timeline
dusk stone
85% of your damage in cds getting stuff inside that wrong is a larger dps loss than with other specs
viscid ridge
yeah i can understand this
cedar willow
viscid ridge
shadowblade vey hight comparing to me
random comet
That probably indicates it’s being saved for larger pulls in general or perhaps being used with prism and you don’t have one, but yeah that’s way higher than mine too
But I’m a pvp trinket gamer because prism eludes my entire guild
dusk stone
Prism is great and all but i miss having trinket for 1st pulls
random comet
I think in DB at least you get good value from second pull
But for like a FG or Halls or Gambit it’s a bit sad
That’s where double on use comes in I suppose
dusk stone
Nah
Its just not good in keys
Too much passive stat loss
If prism had passive we'd pop it on the 1st ludt pull and it wouldnt look different
random comet
Plus double on use 🤢
dusk stone
Cursed stone idol is a better double on use in keys than forge or at least thats my instant reaction to looking at it
18k stat in cds and you dont lose the passive outside of it
random comet
What are you doing every 3min then with prism use?
random comet
Hol up does prism not get the cd trigger by other on use
stiff tangle
Hello got a question ,why do we use backstab in the beginning of our opener when shadow dance is active ?
dusk stone
Prism gets cd'd by other on ise, yes
random comet
So what I mean is
dusk stone
For pre meditation and danse macabre
dusk stone
Nothing
random comet
Just not sending it all that round?
random comet
Yeah right that’s what I thought
random comet
Yeah
dusk stone
Its like this
You can have 23k stat for 30 seconds every 1.5 minutes or 8k stat permanently
And w/e else the trinket does
tired dome
Is Sub the better spec to be playing this tier?
shrewd lantern
on some bosses
random comet
Yeah I get that math, just been getting confused by a few people talking about using prism and another 1.5m on use and I’m like what why
dusk stone
For raid its fine yes
Forge needs to be slammed into something important to get value
tired dome
Managing Deathstalker mark in this raid seems awful
dusk stone
23k stat is a lot when it gets 50% value increase
shrewd lantern
its really not
was fine on nexus king before mythic
but sub just has better damage profile for that
dusk stone
Cursed stone idol seems kinda lit
Its only 25% worse than forge in cds for duration of blades
earnest canyon
For pre meditation and danse macabre
dont you have to be in stealth for premeditation?
dusk stone
Its worse for 3 dance though
dusk stone
dont you have to be in stealth for premeditation?
Yes
shrewd lantern
tbh on hc i only swapped from ds assa because our push timings made 2min cd on nexus king bad
earnest canyon
so if not in flag or shadowblade burst window, but only dance and symbol, use backstab once for the danse buff right
dusk stone
You follow the wowhead illustration on how to do the opener
Subsequent dances/symbols follow the same general rules
shrewd lantern
also gotta love killing someone 100-0 in a cheap right outside dawnbreaker
dusk stone
Which is symbols/dance -> stab (if not full cp) -> sectec -> strike -> finisher
shrewd lantern
then goblin gliding away from the guards
lucid jackal
For nexus, dimensius
None, it just makes it easier to get CDs for the burn
U can do it without but its a lot tighter
U need to fly very fast and flag instantly
Otherwise ur gonna be 2 seconds or so late
shrewd lantern
wait theres dragonriding on mythic nexus?
lucid jackal
For nexus I'm pretty sure it does literally nothing lol
shrewd lantern
lucid jackal
It makes it easier to CD the 2nd time in the fight ig?
earnest canyon
Subsequent dances/symbols follow the same general rules
i just wanted to confirm that you backstab in that situation only for danse and not premeditation in his question, since any opener will give full cps
dusk stone
i just wanted to confirm that you backstab in that situation only for danse and ...
We dont really micro manage danse, but it is coincidentally done for that reason
If you have cp youre not gonna waste a gcd of a dance on a builder
Stab is also fw generator so there's that too ig
earnest canyon
icic. so even without flag / shadow blades up, we still backstab once during shadoe dance correct?
dusk stone
Sometimes yes
ember latch
Meow
earnest canyon
in what situations would we not backstab during shadowdance (but no flag and blades) just wondering
ive made it into muscle memory to always backstab during any kind of dance(naked or with other cds), wondering if its wrong or not
lucid jackal
Backstab should always be your first generator
Fringe scenarios though are like, in aoe its a wash
and when the target doesn't have FW, it's bad to do
But both are fairly fringe
sharp schooner
in what situations would we not backstab during shadowdance (but no flag and bla...
Its give u 6% dmg.Always press 🙂
dusk stone
Fairly sure the gcd isnt worth the DM stack if its done strictly for that reason
elfin sigil
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
lucid jackal
Fairly sure the gcd isnt worth the DM stack if its done strictly for that reason
correct
dusk stone
The reason i wasnt giving a concrete answer was because people hear danse macabre and then press random buttons to get it higher
Sub has a lot of if/and/or stuff for things you do
willow pawn
if we get back Sec Tech in our first shadowdance in flag/blades, can we send symbols + sech tech + CB with the 7 stacks of dance macabre?
even if we are still in our extended first dance?
or send Sech Tech + CB in the second dance window in fl;ag blades
dusk stone
We have a robot to tell us whats best
Afaik it hasn't said to optimize for it
I think shiv is only a slight loss
dusk stone
if we get back Sec Tech in our first shadowdance in flag/blades, can we send sym...
Yeah thats fine, theres no ramp for flag going on, youre in blades and if 2nd sectec is up go for it
sinful marten
whats the dmg diff between instant and wounding posion
do i run it in like gambit first pool
random comet
It’s going to be better 100% of the time if you plan to ignore fish sticks, not for personal damage though. Although maybe having a big pull alive for longer lets you do more damage too so
sinful marten
it seems like instant do that much anyways
in one whole dungeon it did like 50mil for me
unless it enhances something else as well
random comet
Yeah you’d save more than 50m healing in that first pull alone with wound
*if ignoring fishdicks
dusk stone
Reason i ask is because it seems kinda good on paper. It has passive agi + frontloaded large amount of crit which is our best simming stat in most builds atm
W/e 1.5mil damage is worth as well
- you get to 18 stack prism on the pull after
You lose 3.6k crit on burst only sometimes without pacemaker
honest void
the forbidden secret technique
lucid jackal
Its probs alright in keys but, gonna be not easy to get a mythic one
dusk stone
Theres extra value that we get to condense our "passive" trinket into whatever mob
lucid jackal
Much easier to just get mythic trinkets yk
dusk stone
So its more prio too
Well im wondering if its just straight better than PM which is slightlt worse than antenna
spring pumice
i played with a hc one for a bit before i got prism araz and it felt terrible lol its on gcd + a 1sec cast
short radish
the forbidden secret technique
finally we have a reason to use shuriken toss
brave harbor
is symbols of death's cp charges unlimited duration?
wicked joltBOT
Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.
- Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
NOT Recommended- Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully. - Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than1% damagegain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
brave harbor
then what's stopping me from using all 3 before the key start
dusk stone
The 10.7k stat you are gaining from it is worth more point for point than agi would be as well
dusk stone
Can you channel idol and stab at same time?
brave harbor
does it include keys tho?
honest void
Can you channel idol and stab at same time?
doesn't idol incur a gcd?
tepid trellis
Cant do shit while channeling
vast holly
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
grand viper
does it include keys tho?
Yes
hazy breach
Outside of blades
dusk stone
Why would you use it during dance window
hazy breach
Its fne to use during regular dances, but it doesnt really matter
Best use of it is to apply ruptures before your burst with it
Generate the cp for the ruptures that is
short radish
yeah used to be nado into dance -> 4xbp
willow pawn
is there an option on why finality and BP doesnt show in Devlin pack?
only rupture finality shows
swift tinsel
is there an option on why finality and BP doesnt show in Devlin pack?
Probs because finality rupture snapshots
And you’d make decisions around that vs finality BP/evisc where you don’t
Even though you don’t really
For ruptures
willow pawn
so is there a reason to even show it?
swift tinsel
You don’t need to track it
glad rampart
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
dusk stone
All i track with my wa is escalating blade sht dance and symbols
brisk gull
!talents
fallen kite
!gear
wicked joltBOT
still depot
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.
still depot
!aoe
wicked joltBOT
- Always cast Coup de Grace when it is ready, regardless of target count.
- Black powder instead of regular Eviscerate at 4 or more targets (there is no other secret rule).
- At ALL target counts use Shadowstrike during Shadow Dance, not Shuriken Storm.
fringe lava
for M forgeweaver prog (doing 2 collector phases) is it better to slam flag on cd (so on 2nd collector) to get it back for last phase or is it better to hold for 2nd amp
alpine wraith
usually people hold cds on collectors to flag boss
as you wont get one in last phase
as it lasts less than 1 min
spice escarp
is there an option on why finality and BP doesnt show in Devlin pack?
yes there are options, in custom options:
short ingot
Why do you want to shuriken storm between coup de grace?
autumn glade
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
short ingot
Thank you1
bleak night
np
pastel tapir
you guys know a solution that warns me of the stored combo points when I can use 2 finishers in a row?
maybe an audio clue, i prefer visual clue
bleak night
!wa
wicked joltBOT
bleak night
the shadowcraft refund sound wa there
should be what you're looking for
think it also has a little icon pop up but not sure, i dont use it myself
scenic plover
is that what randomly gives me full cp after finisher?
the weird delay on that is really annoying
fringe lava
as you wont get one in last phase
hmm from logs i see you can slam one on collector and get one on last phase
cosmic dust
Do we just want to storm if we dont have cp between coup or even with full cp storm for danse stack?
short radish
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
alpine wraith
hmm from logs i see you can slam one on collector and get one on last phase
you actually hold a bit on collectors for people to get their 2 minutes up
for burn
so depends on your raid dps
fringe lava
since we are progging the boss dam is quite low, we made it to last phase with everyone alive once and still have 8% to go when we all died
alpine wraith
if they can keep people off the one you are in and send them elsewhere
then that is fine to send on collecor
fringe lava
hmm yeah makes sense
i guess if boss dam is too high and the 2nd burn is short i should be sending on 2nd collector
but not in my case
mint violet
!gear
wicked joltBOT
last gate
i still dont understand why we use CB on 2nd sectec
void ocean
i still dont understand why we use CB on 2nd sectec
cause 2nd sec tech is stronger than the first one
last gate
cause 2nd sec tech is stronger than the first one
why? how?
is it only bcs flawless form stacks from last sectec?
limpid sage
Full flag stacks, more flawless form stacks
void ocean
yea, it used to winning streak too
last gate
i got it
thanks
and one more thing in aoe
should i spread find weakness with the rotten?
or i can ignore it?
since its 30% armor reduction + 30% BP / evis dmg
limpid sage
You can ignore it
shadow lance
Some ignore it, others don't
fossil forge
Chaos simms more
fair cloak
Yesterday I killed with pub nexus king on hc
4m dps as 708 ilvl arond 30th parse
I have forge and prism
When I use blades and prism if this fight Takes like 7min
On pull forge> wait to 2m with cds to forge again (I dont use peism here because I want to habe it on damage amp) >prism damage amp> forge
limpid sage
For M+ atleast
versa flask is better for keys
fair cloak
Someone knows how to use cds that fight if it takes around 6-7min
limpid sage
On pull forge> wait to 2m with cds to forge again (I dont use peism here because...
you don't have cds for the adds when you delay
fossil forge
versa flask is better for keys
very debatable ur vers capped anyways + the effect from chaos with tempered potions
limpid sage
very debatable ur vers capped anyways + the effect from chaos with tempered poti...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9HQCTuQJ3ZaWzmDYF7wXJR
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wyZc2Ua6drFsETeNj1cnGS
16k dps diff is worth having more tankiness in keys imo
ofc this is with my stats
limpid sage
3.6% it seems
limpid sage
so 1.8% less dmg taken for 16k dps diff
dusk stone
well its less aoe damage
fossil forge
Im capped on both stats atm sooo
outer goblet
without (r2) vers flask and with r2 vers flask
fossil forge
Thats way too low vers no?
outer goblet
im probably not at ideal stats at 710 idk
scenic plover
i got both at 20k
outer goblet
~15k crit ~17k mast ~15k vers and 1800 haste
limpid sage
well its less aoe damage
around the same relative diff as on single target
for me at least
fossil forge
I have around 6k crit unfortunately but i do have antenna
limpid sage
same
dusk stone
its slightly under 2% dr for me as well
fossil forge
i sold the first boss ring 
limpid sage
stuck on sub 20%
scenic plover
i always think of this gif when stat amounts are talked about
limpid sage
i always think of this gif when stat amounts are talked about
need more haste
manic salmon
di men si us
dusk stone
idk about that
20ilvl with haste on it is only 20k better
i had 681 and 704 was like 20k better only because of haste
was wild
fossil forge
<:antennaglorp:1410496077362364549> di <:antennaglorp:1410496077362364549> men <...
daddy dimmy
scenic plover
has anyone here replaced disc belt yet?
manic salmon
🙋♂️
limpid sage
or is it 2%
1%
fossil forge
Yea for the mythic belt from first boss
limpid sage
unless they buffed it while I wasn't looking
limpid sage
fair cloak
Can someone tell me how to improve, main points
scenic plover
Yea for the mythic belt from first boss
you send crests into that one?
fair cloak
Today we run it with guild i wanna parse
fossil forge
you send crests into that one?
Nope not yet
fair cloak
And what should I expected max to deal dps wise if played correcgly
dusk stone
that is such an ass racial
scenic plover
idk i was gearing outlaw mostly and now i might swap over to sub mainly but my gear is kinda scuffed imo
bleak night
nelf also has passive 3%? crit
1% but also im like 86.5% sure its always haste in instances
fossil forge
ive maxxed out my helm legs and chest +trinket so far
scenic plover
Nope not yet
doesnt sim as an upgrade for me on only 707 sadly
manic salmon
Can someone tell me how to improve, main points
play more
fossil forge
Yea only mythic belts outsim rn
manic salmon
maxroll.gg hit target dummy
limpid sage
that is such an ass racial
ye I'm solely nelf for aesthetics + shadowmeld
fossil forge
After nerfs even hc belts will sim more mby
manic salmon
after nerfs it will be turbo patch
dusk stone
i thought it was like 2% or something and i was gonna vibe with it
scenic plover
i got 75 gilded left and i could upgrade belt or gloves or craft a second lens item
fair cloak
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4tQRnvYLwjNyzr61?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=13 i mean this log/fight mainly i sim for 4.5m
limpid sage
does feel good to be able to apply FW guaranteed on something like fractillus
outside of dance
fossil forge
Craft wrists
limpid sage
its over 50% crit
why when I can shadowstrike
dusk stone
if needed ofc
fossil forge
Wat is that ring ive never Seen it
dusk stone
its that you cant stab him is the problem
fossil forge
losing socket on them then sadly
Sadge
dusk stone
i aint got no bility' named front stab
scenic plover
Wat is that ring ive never Seen it
high mastery low vers delve ring
i got from bounty reward
dusk stone
still waiting for loom? to drop the crit mast ring
meh
you wont want the mast later on
dusk stone
100% is too much
i gained like 10k just from swapping mastery to vers/crit
(also don't sim with alchemical chaos on)
fossil forge
Ive got a mythic vest boe first week ;D
scenic plover
(also don't sim with alchemical chaos on)
what is the sim using default?
i was only using vers flask ingame
dusk stone
chaos
fossil forge
Lucky me guildies bought it because i couldnt auction it
scenic plover
well
dusk stone
which fucks any kind of optimization with stats you are doing
scenic plover
how far behind is vers flask?
dusk stone
17k damage apparently but idk
i stopped putting more in after 25%
crit is worth a lot more atm
fair cloak
Is there some Channel or someone who does log reviews
fossil forge
crit is worth a lot more atm
How come so
scenic plover
45% vers on outlaw is such a nice pillow
fair cloak
!log
fair cloak
How does it work, someone checks it out? And posts in this special Channel thingy?
dusk stone
usually we inspect the timeline and see if its correct
scenic plover
that is not in english
there is a translate button usually?
dusk stone
usually is the way to go about things
scenic plover
scenic plover
How does it work, someone checks it out? And posts in this special Channel thing...
loggin in german is cursed
?
@dusk stone
opal basalt
Playing the game in German is cursed
scenic plover
Playing the game in German is cursed
very true (i am german)
opal basalt
same
scenic plover
shadow dance is there no?
fair cloak
I would appreciate keen eye
I know I forget often about backstap during dance
My issue is I think I might Save cds to much or go wrong with which on use to use
sly shore
you delayed your 2nd flag which fucked you for the rest of the fight
it's because of this highly illegal dance
also the person logging was on the other side of the room so it didn't log that platform for you
sly shore
yeah cos the logger is too far away to log you
fair cloak
But details work fine
Was there really this big gap between me and top 1 dps of raid
Also illegal dance does it mean bad cuz it was third one
Between cds
acoustic matrix
No because it's too close to your flag
short radish
Yes. Straight to jail (assi)
General rule is only 2 dances between flags
In raid
Sometimes 1
Check out lorgs
fair cloak
No because it's too close to your flag
I used it because I planned for 2min cds with forge
short radish
See when they are casting
sly shore
Also illegal dance does it mean bad cuz it was third one
yes it hard inted ur cd's
acoustic matrix
I used it because I planned for 2min cds with forge
No don't do that
fair cloak
So for 3:30 for amp phase i would get full stacked prism
sly shore
I used it because I planned for 2min cds with forge
yeah that bad
amp is 4.30
literally in the log
acoustic matrix
Meaning you gotta flag literally on cd
sly shore
it naturally aligns if you send on cd
acoustic matrix
or you miss it
fair cloak
Oohh
fair cloak
Okk
I was afeaid i use it on platform
Ans wont have it for amp
Cuz it feels like its straight after
karmic harbor
on heroic saladbar some people dont send 2nd flag till 2:50 ish
so you have it at the start of add phase
upper narwhal
After the nerfs to platforms health you can’t cd the add phase and have it back for the amp, it kinda sucks now
fair cloak
on heroic saladbar some people dont send 2nd flag till 2:50 ish
That was what I was thinking about before
Thanks kpb
sly shore
they also kill the boss over a minute slower
karmic harbor
After the nerfs to platforms health you can’t cd the add phase and have it back ...
depends on your group
limpid sage
i aint got no bility' named front stab
race diff
karmic harbor
#2 log was from yesterday and also holds 2nd flag for 2:52
but ye the people he's playing with aren't blasting
sudden quarry
Hey lads. I just returned from a long break. Is there a working „auto tricks“ macro / wa out there still working?