subtlety

[ripe warren]

stone idol and prory myth in vault on rogue alt, those 2 suck pretty much, right?

[warm marlin]

is it a typo if finisher cp is 6+

[tepid trellis]

well it "should" be your first finisher

[rancid crow]

I did read it. Someone linked it a few hours ago and I’ve been going through it, I just needed clarification, that’s all I’m saying 😭

[tepid trellis]

so its gonna be at 7

so it kinda is xD

[short radish]

forget what you've learnt and read the guide again

youve clearly picked up outdated/wrong info

[rancid crow]

Yeah I’m figuring that out

[short radish]

the guides linked has like 90% of what you need to know

and again you aare also running tea

when you dont run tea in ST

[rancid crow]

Oh

[short radish]

do flag -> evis -> dance -> backstab -> symbols sectech

not a flag into straight dance sectech

[acoustic matrix]

aight, why tho

[short radish]

you gotta ramp that flag

we rampers now

[tepid trellis]

you can do flag straight into dance

[acoustic matrix]

it's the same

you spend the same amount

[short radish]

is it?

[acoustic matrix]

I mean

[tepid trellis]

it doesent matter

[acoustic matrix]

technically you lose 1 spender before dance

[rancid crow]

So flag evis, not flag rupture?

[short radish]

i thoguht we wanna stack the flag charges before sectech

always do a flag -> finisher

[rancid crow]

Or was that a typo?

[tepid trellis]

its 16 or so % mastery

[rancid crow]

Oh okay

[warm marlin]

the clanker does dance right into sectec if rupture doesnt need to be reapplied

[short radish]

[tepid trellis]

from those flag stacks

[warm marlin]

im partial to always refreshing rupture but

[acoustic matrix]

yeah technically you're right

[tepid trellis]

i do that too, unless its 30 or more

[acoustic matrix]

but i think it's marginal gains

[short radish]

tbh i always just reapply rupture anyway

because it always falls off before i can reapply after flags over

[tepid trellis]

not a gain, just a nothing burger

of shit that doesnt matter

[short radish]

honestly though just get an onuse trinket @acoustic matrix

that probably solves a lot of it

[acoustic matrix]

I wish i was that easy

[tepid trellis]

you would lose out on 7 stacks of flag which is around 16,8% mastery

[warm marlin]

yea double passive is turbo ass

[tepid trellis]

on your noodle sectech

[acoustic matrix]

I have shitty luck this season

[short radish]

it is

farm warcrates

get the addon

[tepid trellis]

and sub is sorta backloaded

[short radish]

join a group

get it done in 60-90 minutes

[tepid trellis]

and once you do sectech into coups you are insta flag capped

[plucky parrot]

sectech coup coup my beloved

[novel marlin]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[steady dune]

holy shit just pulled a champ prism out of the weekly box

[upper crypt]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crystal rain]

since i don't have forge, is it eeven worth subing in signet in with my prism?

or just got a passive trinket

[fair anchor]

It is crazy that 723 sentinel belt is not an upgrade from delves belt

[ember thorn]

Hello guys, can you give me your thoughts? It's always shitty vaults or multi-choice vaults https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7NzLKERtiXZEqT5k2douzB

[young roost]

That parsons looking nice

[real hare]

!disc

When we swap out disc belt?

[young roost]

Only thing that outsimmed mine was max myth track belt

[last gate]

sub is way toooo stat dependant

[last gate]

get a mythic track belt with a socket

[maiden oar]

i hate delve belt

i got hero nexus king socket belt and i am banned from using it because delve belt is too good

i want to use my cool new belt

[last gate]

bruh

whatever floats your boat mate

youre not forced to use it

[maiden oar]

i am it does more dmg

i must do whatever raidbots tells me

[solid vale]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[hazy plank]

hello guys if we dont have any other on use trink should we use prism on cd?

[fathom adder]

with blades

[hazy plank]

ye thats what i meant ^^

[short radish]

!prism

[wicked jolt]

Unyielding Netherprism
Its a trinket you should be using with your Shadow Blades, using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.

[hazy plank]

any chance to pre stack before dungeon or it resets?

[potent valve]

Thanks mate, ill try. Played rogue on and off since vanilla, never played sub. Finding it hard :p

[short radish]

resets

[rocky ocean]

What are the chances that it’s another week without patch notes

[sleek tide]

Is anyone else feeling like it’s hard to dot big packs with CB build? Feels energy starved

[hazy plank]

tea build looks like mandatory in M+

[rocky ocean]

Why would that be

[rancid crow]

How did you switch to this view?

[hazy plank]

avoid energy starve

[short radish]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[hazy plank]

not for the tea but for the 100 bonus energy

[short radish]

click that button

[sacred yarrow]

it just zooms the image, what am I doing wrong

[last gate]

sub doesnt even need energy wtf

sub does healer dps without cd and thats the design

if you energy starve during cd or dance

then its a you issue i guess

[rancid crow]

I thought tea was for the mastery buff

[last gate]

same

i play tea cause i cant use cb on 2nd sectec

[tribal blade]

hey do i press sectec on cd

[rancid crow]

But, the extra energy 200 energy is also pretty nice when you’re spamming shrunken storm.

[tribal blade]

also can i macro flag and blades together

[last gate]

it wont make you deal more over all dps tho

[rancid crow]

Not not recommended

[last gate]

youre still dealing healer dps

[tribal blade]

(i know it's a joke)

[rancid crow]

Does black powder reduce the cooldown on shadow blades?

[sleek tide]

When you’re running into large packs with CB you can only rupture like 2-3 packs before runningout of energy and waiting on energy to use a gcd feels bad

[last gate]

nope

[sleek tide]

No it’s a. Hard cd

[rancid crow]

Oops, I mean dance

[short radish]

wooooooooooooooo one shot macros

[sleek tide]

Combo spenders reduce dance cd

[tribal blade]

yo massive

[last gate]

yes

but its like

you get haste

[tribal blade]

use both trinkets why the fuck not

[short radish]

who cares just afk

[last gate]

for higher energy regen

[short radish]

if youre not dancing your damage doesnt matter

[last gate]

to spam more SS BP out of dance window

[short radish]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[rancid crow]

That’s not what I’m working out

[cursive vapor]

yes, definitely 🔥

[last gate]

what should i craft today btw

[tribal blade]

nice i thought so

[sleek tide]

That’s not the point lol I mean u need to rupture like 5x sometimes before damage burst to get efficient dmg

[tribal blade]

this channel is full of stupid people not macroing everything together

[short radish]

?????

please dont tell me you are rupturing every single mob

[shadow lance]

Just use one button rotation guys

[short radish]

before you are sending cooldowns

[rancid crow]

The other channels were pretty helpful

[cursive vapor]

i have one macro for blades, flag, ss, storm and throw glaive

[last gate]

how to fix this on sim?

[tribal blade]

nah you can just send as soon as the group is gathered

[last gate]

i wanted to sim a crafted ring

[tribal blade]

there's no magic number to rupture

[chrome fern]

anyone able to suggest to me, why i sim an offhand upgrade of 13 ilvl, and it says i'll lose dps?

[tribal blade]

i made seperate blades + prism macro along with solo blades

[sleek tide]

I’m not taking about it standard packs I mean BIG pulls where there are healthy mobs like first pull of FG or HOA

[short radish]

enchant?

[chrome fern]

ffs

ty

[last gate]

enchants

[tribal blade]

you're so helpful

[short radish]

doesnt matter

send first rupture later

[shadow lance]

You can't then

[short radish]

i'm a people person

[shadow lance]

Cuz you for 2 fucking spot for rin

[tribal blade]

ah yeh innit

[shadow lance]

Cuz it test 2 intial, intial1 - new, intial2 - new

[last gate]

nah it worked

i just had to increase the gilded crests

[sullen hare]

Yep just hit Max on all of them

[shadow lance]

Oh you were seapking about the blue line

Not the iteration number

[sullen hare]

Yeah lol

[keen dome]

My vault let me down. No atenna. Absolute travesty

[cursive vapor]

got just a 717 dagger from vault today, using that as oh i guess after i crafted my mainhand

[keen dome]

Nice, getting a myth dagger is huge

[last gate]

MY VAULTS WERE DOG SHIT

[shadow lance]

Same

[short radish]

same brother

[shadow lance]

SOmeone want tier set?

[last gate]

i have 3 myth items

and i got same slots

[fossil forge]

All armor pieces almost mythic still no trinkets or daggers

Paindge

[short radish]

i'm almost tempted to take lily for heroic speed clears

[last gate]

CHEST for sure

[short radish]

almost

but like

it feels so pointless

[shadow lance]

Already got MM one

[last gate]

you got logic gate

but wrong one

xd

[short radish]

[fossil forge]

Is the first Logic gate ring rly that good

[last gate]

sim

[fossil forge]

i got it on my first mythic run but i ended up selling it for 1,5m since it was 0,4% upg

[chrome fern]

i had a choice between myth boots and myth belt, i took the belt, found out it's -0.1% dps

[last gate]

robot knows whats better

[last gate]

worth it tbh

[fossil forge]

Ig

[fast elbow]

Can you do this macro
/cast shadow blades
/use 13 (forge)
/use 14 (prism)
Or is that bad?

[short radish]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
We do not recommend macroing your cooldowns together because most of them result in performance losses compared to using them manually.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key as well.

[short radish]

its fine

[fossil forge]

Finna get my mythic forge today and the dps will rise

[shadow lance]

It's fine if you use SB on cd

And have a single bind for prism

I case of you wanna use it instead of forge

[tribal blade]

ok brann is bugged af

[fast elbow]

Okey thanks!

[wanton needle]

Whats better, raid prism or mito necklace

[fossil forge]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-yes-sonic-gif-24364873

[wanton needle]

yeah hahahaha

[steel zinc]

Prism otherwise spec doesn't come online

[tribal blade]

yeah if you don't have prism as sub you're suffering

[fossil forge]

If you dont have prism+forge ur suffering i feel like

[potent valve]

In a m+ with prism, do you just use on shadow blades?

or do you hold for max charges?

[runic trail]

Did your screenshot tool break? Please

[cursive vapor]

ah guys what should i pick

[fossil forge]

Delve slot

[finite sequoia]

is it really that bad without those trinkets?

[tribal blade]

not blurry enough

[finite sequoia]

i dont wanna raid

[fossil forge]

It isnt im pretty sure prism and antenna simms more

[short radish]

oh yeah @tribal blade you weren't online for this but I cooked up the most amazing open world build that

Deathstalker, flagless, danceless and also takes goremaws

it's acutally so good for WQ

[fossil forge]

idk it just feels amazing with the double on use

[tribal blade]

mm that actually sounds pretty good

[short radish]

because hear me out right

mobs have like 5 or 10 mill health

they die in one or 2 finishers

[fossil forge]

Send the build

[short radish]

but if all your damage is baked in dance you have so much downtime

so this takes all the power out of dance

[novel marlin]

!bs

[wicked jolt]

Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.

[short radish]

and puts it into just regular finishers

[fossil forge]

Time a 10 with this

[short radish]

nah nah

this is only viable in world content

[wanton needle]

you I had to run to work

[short radish]

but it plays like old marked for death

[orchid shell]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[short radish]

and you just shadowstrike from mob to mob

[wanton needle]

y im playing sub but assa maybe too and necklace is good 4 assa thats my question

[fossil forge]

Downloading the shadowcraft refund sound trigger is lifechanging

[tribal blade]

prism is good for sin too

you need it for FB sin in raid

[proper vortex]

!craft

[hidden geyser]

question, between coup de grace procs, do i shuriken storm even when outside blades?

[proper vortex]

🥹

[steady dune]

no

[violet palm]

How many ub stacks is acceptable to lose in no sb dance?

[cerulean beacon]

!loot

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406266615619784765/suble.webp

[earnest prairie]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proper vortex]

We have a new spark this week, would you rather crafting an item to 720? or upgrade mythic track items to max? 🙂

[acoustic matrix]

Depends on the items

[steady dune]

Like always, sim it

[proper vortex]

😄

okay

[signal moth]

out of interest as they sim the exact same and ill just yolo pick one.. but you prefer either tier myth chest or tier myth hands from vault (upgrades from hero tier) from a pure 'this feels better for me even though numbers are the same

[fossil forge]

U can sim crafted items not all players actually know

[signal moth]

im thinking chest just feels better lol

[steady dune]

chest is later in the raid, so id probaly pick the chest

[signal moth]

im also not raiding

so all my myth stuff will just come from vault

[steady dune]

Then its all a roll of the dice but chest should have more stats on it than gloves I believe

[signal moth]

hands are cool transmog though

that is like 0.5% dps no?

[acoustic matrix]

Did you sim it ?

Unless stats are really bad it's unlikely chest isn 't better than hands

[fossil forge]

Head chest legs give most stats

[carmine portal]

Any dookie vaults today lads

every hero track I got is basically the same item/worse

sadge

[acoustic matrix]

I just made a full int raid pug to loot the prism

Didn't drop sadge

[carmine portal]

sadge

[acoustic matrix]

Anyone knows if drop chance is influenced by number of eligible players ?

[bleak night]

nope

you could have something drop that literally 0 people can use

[carmine portal]

Had it a lot in raids without hunters

[acoustic matrix]

Really ? lol

[carmine portal]

Bows/guns dropping

[bleak night]

one rogue and 3 daggers on loom

ez

[steady dune]

the number of items is influenced by the number of players though, so bang out a 40man

[teal prawn]

okay what about this

[carmine portal]

Isn't it capped at 30?

[bleak night]

where goremaw

[steady dune]

is it?

[acoustic matrix]

That's gonna be hard sadly

[bleak night]

[carmine portal]

I could be wrong

[acoustic matrix]

People were catching up on it

[steady dune]

I have no idea honestly, I've never even gotten close

[bleak night]

honestly i kinda want to just like

[acoustic matrix]

It did seem that a lot of the drops were int though

[bleak night]

make a pug raid and stack it full of one class

and see how many people get pissed and leave

like invite only druids or some shit

[acoustic matrix]

lmao

"I love druids"

[teal prawn]

i dont have enough keybinds for it

[bitter cliff]

Whats up folks, I was wondering is the pvp trinket still good this season? Im not lucky with drops

[keen dome]

Yes, it's very good if you can't get better.

[mighty topaz]

is it worth crafting another wep or helm? both ones im using are 704

[hollow spear]

Need urgent help!!! What do I pick?!?!

[carmine portal]

close to my first craft of the season pogdge

did so much shit yday

[plucky parrot]

a 2nd monitor

[sacred yarrow]

a phone with zoom function

[hollow spear]

spent too much money on that one already

[plucky parrot]

[carmine portal]

that keyboard kinda goated

[sacred yarrow]

its the second phone pic i see in less than an hour, are yall okay?

[hollow spear]

it was sarcasm

next time I put an /s

[carmine portal]

haha

[carmine portal]

put a what? what's sarcastic about that message

[acoustic matrix]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P1mB8fA4VYwhTL7t?fight=15&type=casts&view=timeline&source=14
WTF am I looking at ? Is this a new tech guys ? He's spamming symbols

[sacred yarrow]

your right wrist need cushion too, not just keyboard!

[hollow spear]

it's mockery about people sending these pixelated images

maybe /m?

[carmine portal]

what on earth

[ionic thorn]

Guys help which rogue do I play?

[acoustic matrix]

Is he supercharging all of his finishers or ?

[brisk onyx]

Nice picture

[sacred yarrow]

bilbrostabbin ofc

[mighty citrus]

team, if i see something like this: usually we said after doing our 2 dances in cds, its 2 dances outside of cds after pull, 1 dance outside after 2nd set, then again 2 and so on

[hollow spear]

I thought your mic was a steering wheel 😂

I need help

[ionic thorn]

[sacred yarrow]

[mighty citrus]

this guy could use 2 outside dances after second cds as well, when do we do that?

[ionic thorn]

I need to gear that rat

[hollow spear]

if we have enough cdr

[mighty citrus]

i still struggle a bit when to dance and when not to dance

[runic trail]

[mighty citrus]

cause i dont wanna fuck my cds

or delay

[ionic thorn]

Sometimes no dance is the move

Sometimes delaying CDs good

[hollow spear]

I sometimes dance too early if I had too much to drink at a party

[grim pewter]

Is there any reason raidbots sims would be slightly favoring crit enchants and gems for rings when simming for aoe? should I ignore it and go for vers mast prio as usual?

[void ocean]

i almost cried when i analysed top parse on 3rd boss

like delayed 3rd flag for one minute

still top parse 😄

[ionic thorn]

afaik something something you want 2 dances and 2 symbols on flag window

[hollow spear]

RNGsus blesses them for their sins

[ionic thorn]

so

[wild vine]

You just use the gear the robot tells you to for the content you wanna do

[ionic thorn]

just don't oversend if you wouldn't get that

[hollow spear]

Maybe he fell asleep on his symbols keybind?

[ionic thorn]

maybe that means you naked sectech

[hollow spear]

he technically still supercharged his 2nd sectec though

[last gate]

how do i know what items to upgrade first?

[plucky parrot]

they're holding for the loomithar damage amp since you're not losing a cast with a ~6m kill time while getting 2 under the damage amp

[hollow spear]

top gear sim

[last gate]

we do dungeon slice?

[void ocean]

they have to hold it for a while since thats the 2nd boss

[acoustic matrix]

How would that result in the rank 1 though

[hollow spear]

that's a big gamble though

[acoustic matrix]

Isn't what he did super bad ?

He does it again after

[split garden]

Do we send spenders on 5-7 cp or 6-7 cp?

[hollow spear]

By being lucky enough to make up for it?

[ionic thorn]

I don't think it's much of a gamble tbf

after however many prog pulls you get an idea of kill times

[void ocean]

what do u mean they, that was u 😄

[hollow spear]

Because spending symbols like that is no way in hell optimal

[plucky parrot]

oh you're talking about soulbinder

[last gate]

its 2000 combination it wont let me sim it

[plucky parrot]

I thought you meant loomithar

LOL

[hollow spear]

6-7

[plucky parrot]

yeah soulbinder I just held for the big add spawns and danced the line breaks

[void ocean]

figured

[vestal escarp]

why does it have to be nothing or all together whyyyyyyy!??????????

[hollow spear]

Yeah, but if it just ends up being 6:20 instead of 6:05 because of some random deaths, you lose

[void ocean]

i like did almost perfect pull and had like 7.3M dps on 5th min mark and e r almost same gear

so like wtf

[hollow spear]

I can see what the choices are, get outta here

[acoustic matrix]

He does it again at 2 min

[hollow spear]

so?

[acoustic matrix]

Is he spam pushing his key ? lmao

[last gate]

its called BAD VAULT

[plucky parrot]

yea it's a gamble now but with every week that goes by it'll be more consistent

with more 3% damage amps + gear

[ionic thorn]

isn't there a macro to prevent this?

[acoustic matrix]

There is

[ionic thorn]

like I swear I have it

[hollow spear]

rank 1 log != optimal play

[acoustic matrix]

but dude is rank 1

[limpid sage]

How do I convince loot council to give me forge

[acoustic matrix]

Man we're not talking unoptimal play here

We're talking giga trolling

[void ocean]

i dont understand... 😄

[hollow spear]

he probably would have had 300k dps extra if he hadn't done that

[acoustic matrix]

There must be something going on

[hollow spear]

no

it's just luck

[plucky parrot]

been here

[ionic thorn]

bro just doesn't have the macro

[void ocean]

isnt the whole point of raiding rank 1 log

[hollow spear]

look at the #1 fractillus parse

[ionic thorn]

Idk I raid to kill the end boss

[hollow spear]

he played correctly, but lucked out of this world

it just happens

[ionic thorn]

parses are cool

[plucky parrot]

to some people

[acoustic matrix]

So parses are just luck ?

[ionic thorn]

but can't parse without boss ded

[hollow spear]

not just

[ionic thorn]

[hollow spear]

but a lot of it is getting lucky

[plucky parrot]

I mean with the current tier set, there is a lot of variance

but without good fundamentals

[limpid sage]

it's a mix of it all

[plucky parrot]

you won't luck into good damage

[acoustic matrix]

I mean the dude is literally spam castin symbols and rank 1ing

That's beyond me

[void ocean]

it seems without delaying burst on Souldbinger u get 2nd adds perfectly aligned for the 1 stack prism

[acoustic matrix]

How any luck could make up for that

[void ocean]

18 stack*

[ionic thorn]

you can play your heart out but like if your team griefs you gg wp

[plucky parrot]

I mean

more tier procs

more coups

mroe flawless stacks in cds

causes big swings

[limpid sage]

a top 2.3% luck pull vs an avg one will have ~10% dmg diff on luck alone

[hidden geyser]

is anybody here playing lilly + prism?

[limpid sage]

given you press buttons with the same logic

[acoustic matrix]

I don't have that variance on target dummy though

[hollow spear]

sometimes 3 people dying to just eek out a full last flag window is the luck you need

[acoustic matrix]

I do a lot of 2 min runs and it's always around the same mark

[limpid sage]

sample size of what

[acoustic matrix]

yeah fair

[limpid sage]

:D

[acoustic matrix]

This shatters my view of parses tbh

[limpid sage]

I can do some disgusting openers on dummy sometimes and other times I just get 0 unseen blade procs and barely get above 7 mil

[acoustic matrix]

But if that's the case, why do we see players getting top tier logs over and over ?

Wouldn't you need to be giga lucky to be rank 1 on even 2 bosses ?

If someone can roll his head on kb and get rank 1 ?

[hidden geyser]

it can't be news to you that parses are like that man

[plucky parrot]

not every boss is a patchwerk sim

[split garden]

Tbf ur looking at by far the most pad parse fight of the tier u don’t have to play good if ur in an environment that enables u to pad

[limpid sage]

they tend to play with very good people so they have really good killtimers

[acoustic matrix]

I mean I knew it was influenced by luck

[hidden geyser]

imagine i can play sub better than you but my guild's kill timer is higher than yours and you end up with a better kill timer and better cd windows

[acoustic matrix]

But i've never seen such a giga troll rank 1

[limpid sage]

and they ofc just play a lot better than your avg joe

[acoustic matrix]

yeah sure that's a huge factor

altho I would argue

Shindig got rank 1 fractilius ona 3 minute kill

whiich is our absolute worse timer

[split garden]

Also that’s a heroic parse ? Like legit doesn’t matter at all

30 man enviroment

He was allowed to pad

Doesn’t have to play right

[acoustic matrix]

How do you pad on fractilius tho

[ionic thorn]

wut

[void ocean]

calling it padding is generous

its more like full ignore of any mechanics

[ionic thorn]

so what most people who want to push the most damage do

[acoustic matrix]

there's literally no mechanic to do that you can escape doing on frac

[limpid sage]

his cape did 7.2% of his dmg and I'd imagine even more clicked for him that pull

[maiden oar]

on soulbinder u can just gobble up all the adds before everyone else

if u time ur dance/flag right

no one has to let u pad u can just get them all

[limpid sage]

r1 and r2 comparison

[ionic thorn]

also

fract doesn't seem like a boss that you can "ignore" mechanics

[acoustic matrix]

But he's consistently getting rank 1s. Is he just an outstandingly lucky dude ?

[ionic thorn]

Just because luck is involved doesn't mean that other factors don't play more of a role

tbf

there's certainly luck involved in getting into the highest echelon of most things but the things you can control have more impact

[lavish lodge]

Yeah

[limpid sage]

no as said he plays the spec better than most people

but you can't tell me 61% crit on his cloak didn't play a huge factor in being able to parse r1 on that specific encounter

along with proccing 18 times

[acoustic matrix]

Or maybe it's also that to be in a position to get that kind of luck, you need the gear to go with it for it to matter and he's on of the few who does have it ?

[lavish lodge]

You see this in ffxiv a lot since in that bosses are refightable quickly even after you kill them for the week, rng plays a significant factor but the players who parse high continue to parse high because their upswings on rng are higher than other peoples’ because it’s a higher base number

[limpid sage]

when you're as good as shindig is, the difference between him and the other consistent 99/100 parsers is luck

[limpid sage]

yes

multiple factors stack on top of each other

[maiden oar]

well in ff you can spam the fight over and over until variance favors you

and some ff guys will also just wall it if they arent on track for a pb

[lavish lodge]

Like even if you can get an rng swing of +/- 5%, if the competition is 3% below you then your median is still nearly their top end

[wild vine]

Well he probably also has the boots and the other guy doesnt

Id imagine

[lavish lodge]

To say nothing of padding

[limpid sage]

ye that's very possible didn't check

[maiden oar]

like there are people like that one paladin who does the fights hundreds of times with a tome weapon to get r1

[lavish lodge]

Yeah its even worse in ffxiv because of that, you can do 100+ kills in a week even if they drop jack shit

[maiden oar]

lapin gino i think

lapin gino is so cool

[void ocean]

Those boots drop from hunters, right?

[wild vine]

Yep

[maiden oar]

doesnt even need bis

[void ocean]

I got em in hc but forgot from which one

[ionic thorn]

at least Shindig makes me feel better here with this

[lavish lodge]

But ffxiv also doesn’t include buffs in log results to avoid a lot of padding effects

[ionic thorn]

idk what I'm doing wrong rn but outlaw is not it for me this season

[void ocean]

Fck outlaw

[lavish lodge]

So WoW has thingsvthat skew parses too

[hidden geyser]

lmao outlaw is ded

[ionic thorn]

and yet it's competing with Sub in logs in most of the middle fights

[void ocean]

We sandbagging

[ionic thorn]

maybe come midnight outlaw can have a real CD and not be AR uptime centric

[hidden geyser]

until you get targeted by something and your uptime is lowered then your adr rush window runs out and oops

[maiden oar]

tbh i have never had a rank 1 in my entire life in xiv and ive had multiple since coming to wow and ive only raided in 11.1 and this patch

i think logs not being farmable in this game and the way gear progression is more drawn out makes it easier

[hasty oasis]

If we have the Cursed Idol we shout do it before Flag or After ?

[maiden oar]

and im also like not super consistent yet i have alot to learn before im actually good at wow

[lavish lodge]

Yeah it’s… not easier, but less time consuming, to parse chase in wow

[maiden oar]

idk i think id never ever have a 100 in xiv

no matter how long i play

[lavish lodge]

Highest I’ve done in xiv was a 96

[maiden oar]

i just did not have it in me

[lavish lodge]

On like, an actual serious boss. Not including casual content ofc

[maiden oar]

ive had 99s but 100 in xiv is too demanding bc u can just spam the fights

[ionic thorn]

never gotten a rank 1 in wow, but have def had my fair share of 95-98 with a couple of 99s, I'd like to chalk it up to me prioritizing having an enjoyable raid team over a really good raid team

but then again probably copium

[maiden oar]

i never had it in me in xiv

[lavish lodge]

My main thing is like

Parse strats are not clear strats

[maiden oar]

ppl like clear strats sometimes

[lavish lodge]

They can deviate significantly

[maiden oar]

did u ever see that one black mage in fru pf

trying to c41 people to get a better kt

bc the c41s are worse at doing dmg

[ionic thorn]

surely I'll be farming all the rank 1s in Midnight with Devourer DH cuz obviously I'll be the only one who wants to main it amirite?

[maiden oar]

he was like in there 24/7

[lavish lodge]

I think the most hilarious example was the warrior parse strat on p3s in ffxiv where you pop their 2 min cd 30 seconds early and waste 90% of it so that it doesn’t come up during add phase and get wasted

[maiden oar]

but on a rdps job it goes both ways

ive had like really good ndps logs that are just miserable rdps bc my team cant press button in my buff

[ionic thorn]

this is kinda the thing that I dislike the most in FFXIV tbh

[maiden oar]

i like stuff like that

[ionic thorn]

that and the 2m meta

[maiden oar]

sneaky doton is fun in ults that let you

oh yeah i quit xiv after fru bc of the horrible job design

123123123

[shut ridge]

no knock araz reclear strat is cheeks (in the bad way)

[valid vault]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shut ridge]

[maiden oar]

lhw and fru were not interesting enough to compensate for 123

so i moved to wow in 11.1

wahoo!

[ionic thorn]

I really enjoy FFXIV for what it is but I just genuinely dislike the rigidity

[maiden oar]

i can imagine

[shut ridge]

and they have me soaking in immune set too

it's unequivocally over

[maiden oar]

the 3rd one?

[shut ridge]

I'm on 2 and 3

[maiden oar]

grim

[shut ridge]

[maiden oar]

dont they know u still get the absorb

on 3

[ionic thorn]

we also are doing the no knock strat

[shut ridge]

it's sickening really

[maiden oar]

it sucks

[ionic thorn]

have plenty of knocks to do it

so idk why

[maiden oar]

play healer in xiv if u want to speedrun quitting

[tired ridge]

HC Forge or M pacemaker (already have Hero Pacemaker and Hero Lily), what do you think is best long term?

[shut ridge]

just gonna accept my boss dam cope it's so over

[maiden oar]

yea im boss dam coping so hard

im with u

[shut ridge]

I wasn't before but I'm all in now

[maiden oar]

ok dethrone me

get me good

[hidden geyser]

i think you aim for forge + prism

[runic trail]

I liked it, played whm, played the game of 'how few gcds can I spend actually healing'

[hidden geyser]

or lilly + prism

[vagrant sinew]

you dont get the absorb if you cloak last second

[tired ridge]

Ok, thank you!

[shut ridge]

i'm also just bad so you're probably safe

[maiden oar]

is the liquid wa timer wrong

[signal moth]

is there a sheet of immunes/cloaks for current season?

[maiden oar]

i was trying to do it at .7

and i got it

[signal moth]

!immunes

!cloak

!rogue

[maiden oar]

so i just assumed i always get it

[signal moth]

!s3

[shut ridge]

!mywifeleftme

[signal moth]

!dopenispumpswork

!dps

[vagrant sinew]

unless it got fixed this reset or something, worked last week

[maiden oar]

i am too its ok

[maiden oar]

ok maybe i suck

[acoustic matrix]

!areyouokloop

[limpid sage]

at what rate does forge lose its stats btw?

[ionic thorn]

yeah I think WoW moving away from the rigid rotation idea and more into a priority list (and not having major CDs on 80% of the classes that buff everyone else) was the right move

[signal moth]

!no 😭

[limpid sage]

is it linear or?

[maiden oar]

i had to play sch for my ult prog w my friends bc no one else wanted to play shield and i grew so bitter

1211111111111211111111111

[signal steeple]

Hello boys, i play SUb/assa, and this is my vault. Antenna or weapon???? Dont have fractilius trinket but have araz. ( I Play m+ mostly)

[ionic thorn]

obviously I think it's too late in FFXIV's life cycle to change their job design drastically but I can hope for maybe 2m meta to die?

[maiden oar]

agree

wow class design is so good

i love this game

[signal moth]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[acoustic matrix]

Sim it but i'm more looking at the M trinket

[maiden oar]

im way more motivated to learn this game and get better at it than i ever was w/ xiv

[cursive vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/skate-kanji-cat-gif-18361256103636562809

[ionic thorn]

like their equivalent of haste is ironically a dead stat because it competes with 2m meta

which is wild

[limpid sage]

I'd take wep if you don't already have a 723 wep

[fossil forge]

Antenna prism is the highest simming

[maiden oar]

need exact perfect sks value on monk and fps aligned exactly with gcd wahoo

[clever delta]

Is fuu around

[short radish]

the trick is to be the first one to kill it

[signal steeple]

I simmed and have more dps trinket halls (nobody gear this trinket pushing hard) im pushing now 15s 16s

[shadow lance]

Maybe don't put miss chance of antenna at 0%

[clever delta]

@vale pine

[short radish]

thats how i get mine 😎

[acoustic matrix]

This trink is actually very good

[ionic thorn]

tbf you have to actively try to miss the orbs

[fossil forge]

Whats the point of having the trinket If ur not running at the orbs

[ionic thorn]

they last for like 23s

and come to you

[maiden oar]

i mostly ignore the orbs im a noob

[fossil forge]

• they float to you

[maiden oar]

i should try to game it

[ionic thorn]

you legit have to try to miss them (in most cases)

[clever delta]

Someone said miss chance on last two was 20%

[short radish]

dunno there are logs where ppl have like

70% uptime

or osmething

[maiden oar]

oh i mean i should try to only eat em with dance and flag

[short radish]

it happens

[ionic thorn]

it can happen ye

soul hunters is a decent example, when you're getting zucc'd the orbs move away from you when you're running away from the zucc

[acoustic matrix]

or during no cd kekw

[vale pine]

whats the question?

[ionic thorn]

but those situations are much more niche compared to most gameplay

[fossil forge]

U can ignore them when 10 sec for cds while collecting shadowcraft and then eat them all at once

[clever delta]

I noticed in today sim that non delve belts sim much higher for me. Today 707 belt was ahead 0.2% of delve one.. meanwhile last week was like 30k dps behind

[meager merlin]

i guess shoulders are the best here ? even though shoulders are kinda trash tier piece

[clever delta]

Did they change anything

[maiden oar]

crystal isnt bad id sim it

if u have antenna its better but i think m crystal > hero pacemaker

if ur m+ only

[vale pine]

we had a few aoe related updates in the apl, maybe that.

[meager merlin]

im m+ only yes

[meager merlin]

im simming rn but im so hesitant to pick the shoulders lol

shouldnt i use 2 on uses like araz + prism ?

[maiden oar]

its like .6% better than hero pacemaker on bloodmallet

really minor

[acoustic matrix]

How big a buff is ancestral call ? I see a lot of top loggers running it

[maiden oar]

probably not a big deal

[fossil forge]

its minimal

On st

[maiden oar]

in m+ thats not as important

u can though

its good on last 2 bosses in raid bc of fight design

[split garden]

I’m blood elf and going Maghar orc is roughly a 70k dps gain according to the sims I ran for my character

[fossil forge]

Fuu posted the racial differences If u scroll up

[clever delta]

Any advice on my vault? Is arakara any good

[fossil forge]

!racial

[acoustic matrix]

damn that's quite big

[maiden oar]

id honestly consider shoulders if its close

[meager merlin]

its kinda close on shoulders vs crystal

on sim

[acoustic matrix]

I'd 100% take prism

You can get any myth shoulders and catalyze them

[wheat crypt]

Netherprism😭

[ionic thorn]

you could just go void elf

and still be a blood elf

with objectively better racials lmao

[maiden oar]

it isnt like big winner but myth tier is something and the shoulders are good if youre flexing rogue specs based on key

[mighty citrus]

does the neck have haste? you may wanna get that

[meager merlin]

im only playing sub unfortunately

[ionic thorn]

honestly like void elf blink>the extra like 20k you'd get by being mag'har

[ornate heron]

for sub, if you had something like:
/cast forgemaster trinket
/cast netherprism
/cast shadowblades

would it use the forgemaster with shadowblades first

and then when its on cd, would it use netherprism the next time?

[maiden oar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/49xE6fHwYQccZiWoHfJxQe

[ornate heron]

or would this not work?

[maiden oar]

for dslice the crystals not bad

[acoustic matrix]

it would work

[maiden oar]

so its up to u i think

[ionic thorn]

double on use is so cursed though

[ornate heron]

yeah but its so good this season no?

[ionic thorn]

eh?

[ornate lake]

Bruh the hc kyveza ring is outsimming all my mythic loot by 2.7%

No mythic gear for me I guess

[shadow lance]

Enjoy getting ur orbs in M+ / Dimensius / Nexsus King

[ionic thorn]

been running it in M+, it's not hard

[meager merlin]

im simming patchwerk 7 bosses and 1 boss for 5 mins each

crystal is just a bit better than shoulders but i see nobody using crystal

[shadow lance]

Maybe not that bad but I'm nearly sure you don't have 100% orbs collected

[maiden oar]

i see idk how u sim m+ besides dslice im just going off of fuus sheet

can just do shoulder

[shadow lance]

Bro, just DSlice

[bleak night]

it would work fine, only time you'd have issues is if you hold cds for long enough that forge is back off cd

so might want to have a prism bind seperately just in case

[split garden]

Imo if u can handle the bind u bind blades and araz together and when we it’s nether prism window u just press it right before blades

[ionic thorn]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kpdsNBKcdURE6hK3EKtjwj

obviously not the whole picture but

I don't see why there wouldn't be some places where it could be advantageous

I just won't be fucked with double on use

[split garden]

Wouldn’t u rather have the gaurenteed chance of big stats under cds then the rng value u actually have an antenna proc in cds ? Also historically hasn’t double on use always under simmed

[maiden oar]

sorry meant to say with m+ only trinkets @meager merlin

since u need araz prism for 2x on use to do anything good

[acoustic matrix]

I've actually seen someone do great dam with lily prism

[maiden oar]

oh yeah its not bad

but compared to prism passive its not crazy

[chrome palm]

It’s ok charrend gets prism week 15 trust

[maiden oar]

ok i pass my prism luck onto him

i hit this week

[dusk stone]

you miss out on a ton of passive agility is the problem

[chrome palm]

Prism and forge in vault but neither dropped from raid

[wheat crypt]

Me me me prism charm me

[dusk stone]

it makes the stat you gain way less valuable

[maiden oar]

i like his monk profile picture hes earned it

[ionic thorn]

Idk unless something changed, I'll trust what fuu said as well as my sims

[ornate heron]

i have lily prism. should i be using that?

[maiden oar]

yea i got vault prism

vault forge next

[ornate heron]

myth lily but hero araz trinket

[acoustic matrix]

I mean sim it but i wouldn't be surprised if lily outclassed it

[ornate heron]

it likes the lily a little more

[dusk stone]

you want double on use strictly for last 2 bosses of raid

[ornate heron]

i just see ALL the sub rogues using araz prism

maybe because they dont have myth lily though

[dusk stone]

its inferior to antenna/maker and prism elsewhere

[wheat crypt]

Is lfr prism better than mytich lily?

[chrome palm]

I have a feeelinnng pacemaker is good for 3 minute burst but

Idk

[acoustic matrix]

lfr prism is a 5.5% upgrade for me

[chrome palm]

I tried so hard and my last week logs got like 20% more crits on all fights gg

Pacemaker did not make that diff

[ionic thorn]

couldn't you just use prism or forge + sigil instead of double on use on those?

[dusk stone]

no

forge is awful outside of double use

[acoustic matrix]

yeah 2 min sucks

[signal socket]

help 🙃 hands simming highest at max but feels wrong not taking forge https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sDKniekdbcsZsxHRR5S4Q4

[ionic thorn]

ok so prism + sigil then

disregard the forge

[dusk stone]

prism and sigil is decent yes

[chrome palm]

Sigil is dogshit

[jaunty harbor]

Would I be trolling if I picked a Hero Antenna over Myth shoulders?

[chrome palm]

Every time I used it the proc did last damage than prism proc

[west tide]

depends what boss u on i think

[split garden]

I’m not sure what u mean by passive agility, araz have baseline crit vs antenna having baseline agility isnt much of a dps different

[dusk stone]

sigil actually sims pretty ok

[chrome palm]

Sims are good but idk

I did norm soulbinder last week took 2:30 I had ONE sigil proc

[lavish lodge]

Found it

[dusk stone]

pacemaker for example gives 6k crit with its effect and 8k passive agility

[lavish lodge]

Behold fight specific opener lol

[west tide]

if you are close to doing nexus dimensius id value mythic tier and then try to get prism forge for those bosses

[dusk stone]

araz, does not have 8k passive agility

[maiden oar]

do you dislike spreadsheeting vengeance for 55 potency

warrior players so funny

[lavish lodge]

[maiden oar]

97% 123123123 3% that

[dusk stone]

so araz after you normalize it against other trinkets in the same slot is around 22k agility decaying over the course of 30 seconds

[lavish lodge]

Xiv is a game where actual optimization strats are often indiscernible from shitposts

[dusk stone]

most of your damage is going to be inside the front half of that

so its not significantly better than other trinkets except inside the first 16 seconds or so, which is where its value comes from

[maiden oar]

funny game

[dusk stone]

short term amps or large add phases are where it shines

long term its not as good as a passive

[solid vale]

how are you guys able to fit 2 sec tech in the first dance window? for raid

[mighty topaz]

is it worth crafting another wep or helm? both ones im using are 704?

[maiden oar]

knife is good craft

[dusk stone]

wdym

[maiden oar]

unless u mean offhand

[ionic thorn]

Well their writers certainly decided the MSQ should also fall within those parameters with DT

[mighty topaz]

yes offhand

[west tide]

forge is bis on the last 2 fights on mythic p sure

forge prism so

[dusk stone]

oh

[maiden oar]

oh ok

[dusk stone]

you can sometimes fit 2nd sectec into first dance window with shadow technique procs

because of the extra cdr

i think thats only during TFD though

[maiden oar]

id sim but my plan for next craft is a ring or a neck personally

tier hat is good

so id be hesitant to craft that slot

[dusk stone]

i legit have nothing to cata lol

[mighty topaz]

i see

ty

[maiden oar]

im using ascendance on offhand but

i didnt get myth weapon for awhile and crafted it w1 as my main hand

and sometimes i play sin for st fights so its good for that guy

[karmic harbor]

Is there a site that'll show me DPS increases for racials

[thick flax]

bloodmallet probably

[dusk stone]

orc is essentially the highest

night elf isnt bad

human is nice in several dungeons this pool

[maiden oar]

i like dwarf

its marginally less dmg but the racials good

[short radish]

everyone has their own fetishs i guess

[maiden oar]

and still more dmg than almost every other guy

[maiden oar]

no my guy is very visually unappealing

but hes funny

[karmic harbor]

Maghar orc?

[maiden oar]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/rogue/subtlety/races/castingpatchwerk

can check here

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/how-to-sim-your-wow-character-a-guide-to-raidbots#advanced

can do this to sim ur guy specifically

should take you to racial sim copypaste section

if no click on 11 in table content

[karmic harbor]

Tyty

[plush roost]

wtf

[quasi anchor]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever delta]

You are right, I have like 1% haste so better to pump it up

[mighty citrus]

but i guess gz to vault and we are happy for you :p

[vale pine]

antenna is actually maybe even undervalued in simulations

there might be some fights you won't play it

[bleak night]

[vale pine]

like dimensius

because of how the fight is constructed

but last 2 fights you would play double on use

forge + prism

everywhere else, can decide

prism + passive is as good as double on use and in many cases probably better even

[vale pine]

this is good, simulations are always the best representation

[wheat cloak]

are not taken the rotten in aoe anymore?

[ionic thorn]

Oh hai

[vale pine]

rotten is fine if you want it

[forest pond]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jYrDqdNn6y4eWFXYTzZxUKv can i really trust this sim? i wanna craft a ring, mastery vers and mastery crit both sim 10k dps lower than crit vers

[vale pine]

but its not that strong anymore

[wheat cloak]

ahh

what would you replace for it

[vale pine]

the sim you linked is expired

[fossil forge]

Finality gang

[forest pond]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jYrDqdNn6y4eWFXYTzZxUK

does this wrok?

[vale pine]

i would not trust dropoptimizer

but rather use

top gear

there is a text file you can copy/paste in pinned in #tc-research

[forest pond]

can i sim crafting in top gear?

[vale pine]

to add all crafted gear

[forest pond]

okay thank you 🙂

[vale pine]

#tc-research message

[ionic thorn]

Yeah you can manually add crafted items or do the paste

[vale pine]

i prefere copy/paste, i am lazy

[ionic thorn]

At the top you can pretty much add any items you want

[forest pond]

perfect thank u all, will look into it!

[fossil forge]

Cb with rotten and tea with finality thoughts ? @vale pine

?¿

[vale pine]

i don't think rotten is that good

but its gear dependent

tea vs cold blood is mostly mood

both are strong

[fossil forge]

i take tea in aoe heavy dungeons

[fast fulcrum]

Quick question: When you have 2 supercharged combopoints and have Coup and Sectech ready do you use the double coup first or sectech first?

[fossil forge]

Can you sim talents

[maiden oar]

will dslice decide for me

[lunar crystal]

Why does the macro for backstab use castsequence, and not just macro tea, backstab and dance together in the same cast?

[maiden oar]

im currently running it bc i have so much vers mast and not alot of crit

but its feelycraft

[vale pine]

dslice is good for gear compare

[haughty mural]

How do you convince RL though ?

[vale pine]

for talents its not opinionated enough

[maiden oar]

i see

[runic trail]

Top gear sim and add the item in?

Either that or bribery

[vale pine]

what i mean by that, its a good generalization but keys will value more st, cleave or aoe and it often comes down to the group constellation

[fossil forge]

good performance works usually

[haughty mural]

Yea sure - but they want them droptimizer things embedded in wowaudit

[twin quartz]

I like the tea build in dungeons because I can shuriken storm a lot more between dances in aoe

Just feels more fluid

[haughty mural]

But I did bribe an officer

Don’t need to do it anymore

[mighty citrus]

how can i get a trinket i dont posses to topgear?

wanna check double on use

[runic trail]

Like I said, bribery. Takes less effort

[vale pine]

2 options

option 1: you just type the name in item search

[mighty citrus]

ohhhh

thanks

[dusk stone]

yes that one

[vale pine]

option 2: you copy/paste the text file below your /simc and add all seasonal gear - > link to the text file <

[dusk stone]

fuu i discovered today that pacemaker is like within 0.4% of antenna

[vale pine]

nice

[dusk stone]

its 30k diff

[vale pine]

i play peacemaker heroic atm

[dusk stone]

20% miss

[vale pine]

antenna is very contested sadly

[dusk stone]

antenna really isnt as strong as it seems, or pacemaker is really good

[haughty rose]

is the gear compare tool bad? I find it so much easier to use than top gear

[mighty citrus]

had the soulhunters trinket in vault, sims decently

[vale pine]

also not bad

[vale pine]

it was nerfed and you can optimize the orb collection more than the sim does

[dusk stone]

i thought the miss rate was 0%

by default

[vale pine]

you can run away from the orb

to delay the trigger

or into it to trigger it faster

[dusk stone]

yeah but maker is always up

[random trench]

If I intend to play double on use do i still need to sim with custom apl or is the one on raidbots managing double on use fine?

[vale pine]

fair

[mighty citrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4wusMQnUXD8bbCZEUbisQV

so double on use is not it?

[dusk stone]

i guess my point is antenna shouldnt be as contested

just go farm pacemaker basically

[vale pine]

forge is rly good

[karmic harbor]

People out here simming 400k more than me

[vale pine]

double on use is bis on last 2 fights

[dusk stone]

forge sucks for us

were kinda low prio for it at least according to my RL

[vale pine]

wdym

forge + prism are within low % margin

[dusk stone]

but its bis for us where it actually matters

[vale pine]

and its the best combo for as i mentioned the last 2 fights

[karmic harbor]

Bro trusts random raid leads whose thought process ends at what's the biggest raidbots number

[dusk stone]

i kinda do

[rustic mortar]

i have araz and prism and a mythic lili in vault 😮

[dusk stone]

a lot of people dont go over sim math and think deep on stuff

[karmic harbor]

You have to advocate for yourself

I have prism mythic lily and mythic pacemaker

[dusk stone]

prism maker here as well

[shut ridge]

unfortunately it's not as simple as being a good advocate

but never hurts

[dusk stone]

yeah

its just big for some people

[karmic harbor]

Ofc

[dusk stone]

and we've seen 0 drops

it would also be considered a side grade for me as well so

[remote shuttle]

Forge+prism Is huge gameplay wise, last 2 boss as fuu said but also m+

[vale pine]

raids often otpimize diffrently

[shut ridge]

you can write a novel but sometimes it's as simple as a, "well, this is numerically better for [you] but [guild pumper] also needs a decent trinket and therefore we are giving it to them" angle

[dusk stone]

tried it

[shut ridge]

the best thing you can do is try your hardest to not be a rogue player

[bleak night]

so real for this

[dusk stone]

genuinely frustrating

bro

[karmic harbor]

If destro wasn't a spec I'd play warlock

[dusk stone]

you take elusive and then healers learn to not heal you

[karmic harbor]

But fuck having to play destro for some prog fights

[alpine raft]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[karmic harbor]

Demo is my favourite spec but the threat of destro is always haunting me

[dusk stone]

the play is just evoker tbh

[karmic harbor]

At least for rogue and the world rank I'm at nobody expects me to play outlaw if I'm sub/sin

[dusk stone]

facts

[short radish]

i dont think anyone expects any rogue to play outlaw

even RWF they didn't

[karmic harbor]

But it pumps on soul hunters 😭

[bleak night]

ye but you have to be like an actual outlaw player for that

just put the sub in the bag

[karmic harbor]

True

My guild has an outlaw player so he's progging that rn instead of me

[brisk onyx]

!bug

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[shut ridge]

they really yoinked my outlaw cook for DH

ranged outlaw rework would've been sick

[soft cove]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades or with 4+ targets, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[vale pine]

i want ranged sub too

[bleak night]

ranged sub but instead of casts you attack from range by sending in shadow clones

[limpid sage]

wait was premeditation the culprit making shadowcraft not proc all along

[shut ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-cooking-gif-13708524

[vale pine]

like, what if our attaks just turned into ranged when using shadow dance

there is a lot of potential for visual updates too

[wet echo]

am i tripping or did we have something similar before? like having your autoattacks have 30 yd range

[reef walrus]

only in wod, iirc only for a limited time after using deadly throw?

[ember thorn]

can you give me your thoughts? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7NzLKERtiXZEqT5k2douzB

[bleak night]

my thoughts are im mad you have a hero track antenna with myth track in vault

while im stuck with champ track

[ember thorn]

ahaha but is antenna that good for sub?

hc antenna was vault from last week tho

[dusk stone]

antenna is good yes

bis passive

well no way you take the weapon because you have one crafted

3 weapon ilvl isnt much

antenna is good

maybe you take weapon if you have mythic pacemaker

[ember thorn]

but that weapon sims higher that the max levl antenna