!simulationcraft
#subtlety
short radish
short radish
we did our best, best wasnt enough
but thats okay, we just need to live with our failings
lucid jackal
we private log
hazy breach
Its like -5% overall last i checked
lucid jackal
I mean on nexus king its not like a magic prio
lucid jackal
Its the same prio as normal its just a lot of mental overload to add with dodging and ghosts
hazy breach
On 8 target cleave sim. You can remove/comment out the BP line to sim it yourself
winter ice
we private log
L
lucid jackal
short radish
cringe private loggers
lucid jackal
True
short radish
on fights with damage amp its good
when you can sync prism to the amp
dunno how much more gooder it is though
hazy breach
Rather on fights with multiple sections where you need damage
For a singular amp maxed prism+passive is just better
tacit coral
what about a prolonged amp like loomi myth second phase?
hazy breach
But for example on nexus King platforms youd obviously do more with forge in cds than with passive holding prism for the amp
iron obsidian
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
tacit coral
For a singular amp maxed prism+passive is just better
we dont get to 18 stacks of prism in that 90 sec window between flags right?
iron obsidian
no
hazy breach
Double it and give it to the next guy type shit
tacit coral
type shit bro
noble stirrup
is double better than netherprism + antenna?
short radish
why are we giving even more stuff to guy wtf?
hazy breach
is double better than netherprism + antenna?
Sometimes
lucid jackal
double on use is good on last 2
Probably forge too but
Its overrated
its gonna get worse on short fights too(?)
lucid jackal
But U dont get an 18 prism
Like if u go forge prism forge
Ur saying thats better than just prism passive
hazy breach
The weak part about prism+passive is no trinket in opener
lucid jackal
Thats where lily comes in
tacit coral
a lily wouldnt out perform araz trinket right?
lucid jackal
in double on use context? never no
echo herald
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
sinful marten
did mana oil become better than whetstone this season
lucid jackal
a bit yeh
stuck linden
Anyone use subterfuge for open world stuff?
sinful marten
what does whetstone stat even count as. it doesnt show up on stat weights
iron obsidian
just attack power
lucid jackal
attack power is just mostlY agility
prisma minnow
Do I shadowstrike on aoe if i dont have shadow bblades up?
quiet smelt
i see high end rogues running a tree like this and sometimes with cb.. whats the diff between the pinned on
tacit coral
For a singular amp maxed prism+passive is just better
would this mean holding flag for the amp and sending prism even if araz is back up?
quiet smelt
Is dslice better for sims or 5 targ patchwerk
sinful marten
how much are you guys simming for i got 4.6 sub 5mil assa
quiet smelt
Is dslice better for sims or 5 targ patchwerk
for m+
lucid jackal
i see high end rogues running a tree like this and sometimes with cb.. whats the...
CB = more st Tea = more aoe
quiet smelt
CB = more st Tea = more aoe
thanks! and right side of tree? some take perf and some rotten
quiet smelt
so if i wanted cb for st i would just take away tea and 2 points in vig ?
wooden imp
got any great macros to share? I see some use SD, Tea, BS and symbols in 1 macro.
short radish
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
deft heath
!wa
wicked joltBOT
warm marlin
Nexus got hands huh
swift tinsel
finally killed it hc
was hoping to get it in 4-5 pulls but apparently hitting stars with beams is hard
icy tinsel
do we kinda just do beans damge wiht just our mini cds?
short radish
do we kinda just do beans damge wiht just our mini cds?
!design
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".
sinful depot
i notice the top 50 rogues in m+ use diff talents to the guides. Notablty cold blood instead of thistle tea and also the talent which extends symbols. Is the idea to extend symbols so that you get 2x ST off within one symbols.
Also the Rotten over finality is another difference and I can't really get my head around it
lucid jackal
The idea is just more ST
sinful depot
makes sense
lucid jackal
Rotten is like 0.3% less st than finality but it guarentee spreads FW in aoe
vagrant thorn
are you talking about a specific player and build? can I see that? π
lucid jackal
I forget their name it's like Nessa or smthing?
vagrant thorn
I like that ;o
I like it when someone knows what they like and they dont give a shit and are good at what they do π
oak grotto
How many ruptures do you send into a pack in AoE without CDs? Should I tag all mobs or
short radish
press black powder
oak grotto
Black powder?
short radish
but yes there are target caps
quiet smelt
Black powder?
well ye
oak grotto
i do 1 or 2 ruptures
Even if you plan on sending CDs?
short radish
Even if you plan on sending CDs?
well if i spend the entire time rupturing the pack
the mobs will die before i send cds
oak grotto
Yeah but does it make a difference if you send CDs or not? Or like is it 1-2 no matter if you send CDs or not
short radish
well the difference between not sending cds
oak grotto
Or is it like trying to tag all wit rupture if no cds
oak grotto
Absolutely, but the question was without cds if you send ruptures on all mobs or not
oak grotto
Dw bout it
short radish
unless theres 50 billion mobs
its just standard prio of
if not in dance
if you can rupture something that will survive duration
rupture it
oak grotto
But in general like send 3-4 cause that becomes 6-8 targets with the talent idk what itβs called
short radish
!guide
oak grotto
But like big momma you keep rupture on all adds in general if youβre outside of dance?
oak grotto
So basically if mobs survive send a few
short radish
yeah
if youre not in dance
your evis and bp don't matter
they are cosmetic
and only exist to reduce CDR
oak grotto
Ah okay I see
wicked joltBOT
Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.
- Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
NOT Recommended- Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully. - Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than1% damagegain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
oak grotto
So there is no like magic number on how many ruptures
short radish
!prepull
wicked joltBOT
Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.
- Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
NOT Recommended- Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully. - Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than1% damagegain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
short radish
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
short radish
fuck im so stupid today
so the bit around optimisation 1 kinda leads into the fact of how little damage your non dance/burst finishers do
short radish
So there is no like magic number on how many ruptures
the magic number is "the amount that will survive a rupture"
short radish
no wokkas
coral hamlet
clever delta
I tried on our forge kill playing prism with passive instead of forge trinket and end up doing no dmg π
The opener so small
still depot
!guide
timber stag
Petition to change this spec's name to Sneaky Pete
vagrant thorn
in keys I love the pulls where I'm completely dry and waiting for CDs, doing less than tank dps, I wonder if they think I'm trolling π
civic swallow
Is Sigil of Cosmic Hunter trinket any good?
lucid jackal
Ya
2nd best, 2nd trinket
Prism ofc omega bis, then between isgil, forge, antenna
all very good
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
plush roost
distant mist
i know that macro CDs its not recommended but.. im still learning what should i do? symbo + secret technique?
alpine wraith
it is my own sheet for several reasons it is not on here but you can check it on my profile
distant mist
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
vagrant thorn
it is my own sheet for several reasons it is not on here but you can check it on...
kk π thx
dusk stone
i know that macro CDs its not recommended but.. im still learning what should i ...
Probably not symbols and sectec unless you want to keep a seperate keybinds for those as well
shrewd lantern
i know that macro CDs its not recommended but.. im still learning what should i ...
you'd need standalone buttons too
distant mist
Probably not symbols and sectec unless you want to keep a seperate keybinds for ...
yeaa im separating btw... its just to bust
dusk stone
Thats fine then
shrewd lantern
too many situationals honestly
dusk stone
Thats not really a macro more than qol feature
distant mist
you guys spread rupture ?
dusk stone
I have cb on shift 6 and shift 6 also presses six which is sectec but they are bound seperately as well
It depends
shrewd lantern
you can on the gather if mobs are gonna live the full
dusk stone
Youre suppose to spread rupture while tank is gathering because dots are effected by your amps afterwords
distant mist
yyeaa
storm cloak
!cb
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker
storm cloak
fig
dusk stone
That macro is half true
storm cloak
!wa
wicked joltBOT
dusk stone
You shouldnt macro sectec to cb, but its fine to macro cb to sectec
storm cloak
lucid jackal
!cbbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
lucid jackal
hiii
storm cloak
come here often?
storm cloak
scrub numbers
dusk stone
I think there was some other work around for that bug, cant remember what it was
storm cloak
im good, hope ur doing well (i just crashed ou cuz i played sin on mythic nexus king and wanted to try sub for the last pull then had the cb bug)
lucid jackal
storm cloak
I think there was some other work around for that bug, cant remember what it was
well i thought if i went to deathstalker on sin and swapped it wouldnt bug
but
lucid jackal
I just play sub full time at this point
dusk stone
That yeah
lucid jackal
I played sin and I was a passenger princess even on Fractillus
Let me just play sub full time at this point idgaf
lilac stag
opener is fine with TFD
storm cloak
is that unpopular opinion
storm cloak
I hate the double sectec part of TFD
this
lucid jackal
I just ignore it
storm cloak
i dont like this at all, it feels unnatural
lucid jackal
I wait until my 2nd dance to sectec again
dusk stone
There's a double sectec part of tfd?
lucid jackal
Idc if its wrong
storm cloak
dusk stone
Is that why i feel like using sectec more than is prescribed
lucid jackal
If you get good procs you can double sectec in tfd yeah
dusk stone
I was wondering
storm cloak
i was excited for fatebound but now i dont want it
astral axle
i love sub rogue π
dusk stone
It felt like i used it 4x in cds or something in my opener on NK
lucid jackal
I really like deathstalker sin ST. Sin is usually pretty mindless so Deathstalker adds a bunch of "stuff" to do with the Shivs, and the Darkest Night
Playing fatebound sin is like
There is literally nothing going on
storm cloak
ya there is, u look for the buuuuuuuuuuuug
astral axle
I really like deathstalker sin ST. Sin is usually pretty mindless so Deathstalke...
had the same thought recently
lucid jackal
Yeah fish for the bug
dusk stone
Darkest night is a pain in the ass
storm cloak
how sad π₯
dusk stone
I tried to get a WA for it but even that was a pain
shrewd lantern
darkest night aint even bad
storm cloak
i almost wish it wasnt a bug because it does feel like u doing real dam with it
shrewd lantern
its bosses that fly away
fuck yo mark
playing sin on ansurek
wrong part of a dsm cycle
sorry no mark for your intermission
lucid jackal
Its so funny how garbage all 3 rogue specs are on ST
But it kinda doesn't matter at all because of the way the raid is
astral axle
my intuition tells me DN was a way to make something like marked for death. no real basis for this but just suspicion
lucid jackal
Literally thanos on last 2 bosses
storm cloak
π₯
open vortex
!atr
dusk stone
Sounds like thats why st of rogue specs are not great
open vortex
what is that command to see all things we can feint
storm cloak
dusk stone
Why is it better to run cheat death at all?
lucid jackal
Because humans make mistakes
astral axle
cause i guess escalating blade is like guile ig
lucid jackal
and being able to make a mistake and live is very valuable
dusk stone
Healers letting you die isnt your mistake though
shrewd lantern
because feint is a dps loss
shrewd lantern
and standing in shit you shouldnt
dusk stone
Fair i guess
lucid jackal
On mythic those blade dances 1 shot you
shrewd lantern
tbh you might as well ask why tanks play cheat
dusk stone
Well i get it for tanks
lucid jackal
If you were smart and fast enough to feint them, you wouldn't even have gotten hit by them to begin with
Meanwhile you can make a mistake, get hit by 1, and not waste a res/a wipe
No reason to ego a cheat death
Its insanely broken
dusk stone
The reason i dont run it isnt an ego thing
shrewd lantern
its just too strong
dusk stone
I just dislike how squidsh we are generally
lucid jackal
We playin the same class?
astral axle
shrewd lantern
unless its ticking damage
dusk stone
I was doing nk and was one of like 4 people alive because of cds at the end
lilac stag
I just dislike how squidsh we are generally
We are like the tankiest fucking dps out there
What spec are you playing ?
dusk stone
In keys kinda
astral axle
i feel giga livin if i know what's up
icy mulch
We playin the same class?
Sub vs standing at your collector in intermission on Adaβs
lilac stag
Everywhere
icy mulch
Araz
astral axle
maybe healing back up we're not great at but
icy mulch
Fighting for my life
dusk stone
In raid it doesnt feel like that sometimes
lilac stag
The only thing that fucks us is rot dmg
ripe flame
Our only weakness is rot damage
shrewd lantern
only thing truly tankier
ripe flame
Jinxed
lilac stag
In raid it doesnt feel like that sometimes
You are doing something terribly wrong than
astral axle
rot damage is literal healer job anyway 
shrewd lantern
funnily enough dhs are good with rot
dusk stone
Also kinda i just prefer to die to my own mistakes so it forces learning
shrewd lantern
but kind of meh with big giant hits
open vortex
!atro
wicked joltBOT
Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <
astral axle
dying to mistakes instead of living with cheat
shrewd lantern
dont do that again
dusk stone
The upside to doing that is you are just overall more tanky, was doing a priory 14 the other day
dusk stone
I was only one aside from tank alive
lucid jackal
greed is good
sleek tide
Are you supposed to use prism whenever shadow blades is up or only at 16+ stacks
dusk stone
Well no the dumb greed
lucid jackal
Are you supposed to use prism whenever shadow blades is up or only at 16+ stacks
w/ blades
should average 9 stacks by the tiem its ready
sleek tide
Yeah i get 8-10
nova parrot
Hey guys, im playing assa, but little tired of it. Wanted to change to sub. I am feeling little trouble w damage in assa, will there be problem to have damage in 10 keys or heroic raid?
lucid jackal
Its not like its multiplicative or anything
shrewd lantern
btw does coup ever expire
lusty root
Having Lily and prism is kind of weird
short radish
what is that command to see all things we can feint
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aaBz5vC3VauxnXqY5q0zxOpFXwhPXaHvYe3VpWLAta0/edit?usp=sharing
lusty root
For M forge Iβm using lily on my first 2 blades and then holding a fully stacked prism for the burn
short radish
The only thing that fucks us is rot dmg
i hate this statement so fucking much
shrewd lantern
well ideally you dont play lily and prism
dusk stone
Are you using cheat in keys as well?
proven plover
Hey guys, im playing assa, but little tired of it. Wanted to change to sub. I am...
Wdym with problem
shrewd lantern
dhs not really
short radish
im pretty sure we're probably the least fucked by rot damage due to our passive DR
lucid jackal
EVERY SINGLE CLASS GETS FUCKED BY ROT DAMAGE
nah not really
lusty root
well ideally you dont play lily and prism
Yea, but itβs what sims best and prism is pretty OP fully stacked for dmg amps. Itβs like 60k agi lol
lucid jackal
If ur defensives are barriers or generic DR
dusk stone
Not dk rly.either
lucid jackal
Rogues specifically doesn't work on rot damage
short radish
sorry im just on tilt from our mage going "were weak against rot damage" after dying to fract
astral axle
dk isnt a class
lucid jackal
Well mage has no weaknesses, but the weakness if you have to be a good player
nova parrot
Wdym with problem
Idk i have 699 ilvl and in big pack having about 8m damage. When for example dk w lower gear making more damage
lucid jackal
Mages are the tankiest class in the game but you actually need to be very good at cycling cooldowns
Not even downplaying it, mage takes a lot of effort
Its probs the hardest class in the game
lilac stag
makes us pretty resistent to rot damage
And crimson vial does sooooo much to help as we bleed out
nova parrot
Wdym with problem
Could be problem w rotation idk
lusty root
Idk i have 699 ilvl and in big pack having about 8m damage. When for example dk ...
If youβre in a big pack having an issue with dmg on assa then youβre just not doing something right
lucid jackal
makes us pretty resistent to rot damage
Brother has not gotten to nexus king π₯
Wait until u get that dot on mythic bro 
lusty root
Boss dmg is kind of ass with the bleed build on assa but the big aoe dmg is cracked
short radish
Brother has not gotten to nexus king π₯
yeah because we cant kill fractilus since following weak auras is impossible and spot healing doesnt exist
dusk stone
Sub has pretty crazy aoe this time around
short radish
im actually crashing out
i hate ranged
just play the fucking game
and dont die
healers heal
lilac stag
lol
lusty root
Sub has pretty crazy aoe this time around
Yea I mean I play sub in keys, itβs good, but assa is insane in aoe
lucid jackal
banishment on nexus king isjust a dot he puts out, it literally does 2m a tick
It's so much damage
lilac stag
i hate ranged
I was too dps on tangles until RL lost his shit.
loom prog was interesting. 
bleak night
speaking of loom prog
dusk stone
It isnt by that much these days
short radish
I was too dps on tangles until RL lost his shit.
draco-swap-targets-rant.jpg
dusk stone
We are seeing subs post parses north of 10 mil in fg and i see casual do like 11 on sin
bleak night
i had 5 pulls as assa before i realized how atrocious our tangle damage was and had to swap to sub
and uh
nova parrot
Boss dmg is kind of ass with the bleed build on assa but the big aoe dmg is crac...
Can u mb tell where could be problem? I would like to try go heroic raid, but i feel that no one will take me w this damageπͺ
bleak night
hm
shrewd lantern
thing is sub only does that during cds
bleak night
one evoker wasnt in most of the night and played aug a bit when she got there so they get a pass
shrewd lantern
sin is out there doing almost that much with just a shiv charge
dusk stone
Pugs have been making me want to play sin for that reason yeah
dusk stone
It is so infuriating see 4 mob pulls knowing its giga waste to flag
short radish
do you h ave to hold your dance for it everyy time or something?
lilac stag
They finally had me swap to assa for execute and forced range to take care of it.
dawn summit
Mages are the tankiest class in the game but you actually need to be very good a...
its probably the most demoralising class to be just good at aswell
lilac stag
It sucks
iron plover
It is so infuriating see 4 mob pulls knowing its giga waste to flag
Thatβs a problem that will solve itself as you go higher in keys π
bleak night
everything else is just tangles
dawn summit
bc the great mage players are so prominent
bleak night
short radish
lilac stag
Couldnβt even catch up with 18 stack prism going into amp
iron plover
!defensives
short radish
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aaBz5vC3VauxnXqY5q0zxOpFXwhPXaHvYe3VpWLAta0/edit?usp=sharing
astral axle
bel the tangle mangler
bleak night
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aaBz5vC3VauxnXqY5q0zxOpFXwhPXaHvYe3VpWLA...
good bot
short radish
π€
dusk stone
Thatβs a problem that will solve itself as you go higher in keys π
Im seeing tanks get really scared in like 14 priories and do that though
iron plover
Thank you!
lilac stag
if you were good with timings you could step the first tangle after the pull and cleave both
short radish
look at me. I'm the clanker now
short radish
if you were good with timings you could step the first tangle after the pull and...
thats what i was doing
lilac stag
short radish
after dying to tangle from stepping to early
bleak night
yeah i was stepping
dusk stone
Also right side priory is not a thing i ever want to do again
lilac stag
You have to wait for the yank if your range is π€€
iron plover
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aaBz5vC3VauxnXqY5q0zxOpFXwhPXaHvYe3VpWLA...
Do you happen to have a version for m+?
Stuff like 1st boss streets interrogate ability can be cloaked
shrewd lantern
i went to a dimensius pug the other day
short radish
Do you happen to have a version for m+?
iron plover
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRbbVqlyvPRWxPiMH5825BKQutI4FQA8...
π«
shrewd lantern
idk what dks are pressing DA on
shrewd lantern
do they fr think 30% movespeed is worth for the movespeed
dawn summit
cant play riders on dimensius
your riders go to the cuck chair and watch instead of hitting the boss
dusk stone
Thanks for the sheet
shrewd lantern
i thought they removed db rng
dusk stone
Does feint work on shreddation
lucid jackal
They lowered it idk abt removing it
grave shore
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
dawn summit
i thought they removed db rng
you cant super highroll into +50% dmg but its still p high variance
dusk stone
Interesting it seems you can cloak a spark jumping on you while in water
That seems like fun tech
shrewd lantern
Yeah i thought making the mark flat give you 2 scythes with no proc chance anymore
removed rng
dusk stone
After looking at that sheet thats also why i like elusive, it just works on everything
abstract dock
is our best passive trinket still antenna?
dusk stone
From what i have heard yes
lilac stag
is our best passive trinket still antenna?
Yes. Or the trinket from hunters
distant mist
A dumb question, but I'm not used to reacting quickly to Coup de GrΓ’ce procs... sometimes my mind bugs out (learning process), so I take a while to react to the procs. Do I lose a lot of DPS because of this slowness?
short radish
A dumb question, but I'm not used to reacting quickly to Coup de GrΓ’ce procs... ...
!wa
wicked joltBOT
lucid jackal
Yeah you will lose damage from it yeah
short radish
there's a weakaura to help you with that
distant mist
there's a weakaura to help you with that
wich one?
short radish
shadowcraft refund sound trigger
lucid jackal
Just keep in mind that you can jump from 2 EB stacks to 4 EB stacks
distant mist
What exactly does it do to make you react quickly?
shrewd lantern
plays a sound
lucid jackal
I think he means the EB from 2 > 4 not the coup delaying shadowcraft refunds but
dusk stone
Guy, do you snd while spreading rupture in keys
shrewd lantern
I feel im used to combo refunds
distant mist
Honestly, age is starting to catch up a bit... it might not seem like much, but it does affect me, haha. I'm 33 now, not quite the same as when I was 18.
shrewd lantern
from playing 2 seasons of crackshot outlaw
distant mist
short radish
Guy, do you snd while spreading rupture in keys
i just snd with the spare combo points after a pack
dusk stone
Its not going to particularly going to give you more procs though cause your right we do have coup
shrewd lantern
I abused this in timewalking too
distant mist
!wa
The sound worked for some procs... not all of them triggered the sound.. is that normal?
shrewd lantern
with mfd
short radish
The sound worked for some procs... not all of them triggered the sound.. is that...
it only procs when you get a full refund
dusk stone
Is outlaw actually a fun spec
shrewd lantern
If you like reacting to procs
lucid jackal
depends who you ask
lusty root
Itβs def my favorite spec of the 3
lucid jackal
BFA was an era
dusk stone
I feel like id want to claw my eyes out if tank suddenly decided on big pulls were a thing
lucid jackal
The difference between now and then is 1, I'm older, 2, I've come to the realization that I'm always right
lucid jackal
Well, I feel more vindicated in my beliefs
willow mantle
!loot
wicked joltBOT
lucid jackal
Well that hasn't changed
lusty root
We get some good tweets now from you too
short radish
dude NA queue is already kinda dead this early on in the season
whats the point in pushing when turbo boost is coming in 3 months
tribal blade
whats the point in pushing when turbo boost is coming in 3 months
haha fair
shrewd lantern
tribal blade
thing is you don't want to fall behind usually
sometimes once you've fallen behind it becomes very difficult to catch back up
lusty root
If youβre pugging, forsure
dusk stone
Or you just cant
lusty root
Ideally you get a solid group and you all just push when you are fully geared later in the season
shrewd lantern
sometimes you get funny experiences
dusk stone
Happened to me last season, i could not get any 13 other than ML to clear regardless of what i did, it was an experience
shrewd lantern
like in tww when i was farming skardyn and i run into prophetβs guildy
and he has a rank βprophet sucksβ
tribal blade
hahaaa
vagrant thorn
Happened to me last season, i could not get any 13 other than ML to clear regard...
you mean nobody was inviting you or what?
tribal blade
so true
dusk stone
you mean nobody was inviting you or what?
I ran my own keys, and what i mean is pugs would just instantly fold on 1st pull of stuff like brew, priory was absolutely out of the question
tribal blade
you mean nobody was inviting you or what?
if you're full pugging and you've fallen significantly behind you have to try to make your way back up playing with shitters
and it just compounds the problem
dusk stone
I gave up after 2.5 weeks
astral axle
sounds like an L aura problem
dusk stone
I was new back then, which made the experience worse
tribal blade
i know some title caliber players who fell behind last season because they started pushing late
and they just gave up
because it became a lost cause
dusk stone
100%
tribal blade
unless you can play with a friend who has title level resil it's just too much work
vagrant thorn
I ran my own keys, and what i mean is pugs would just instantly fold on 1st pull...
interesting, I started pushing quite late last season, only after turbo boost, and had no issues timing 13s and 14s playing with "late people", but I was playing disc priest I guess I was just carrying so hard!
clever delta
Guys I love to play near perfect on progg and than choke on kill, best feeling in world
vagrant thorn
yep, feels great to ruin your logs
dusk stone
Well if you play meta is easier yes
But we are rogues and we were not meta last season, tankd and healers also have massive advantage
west tide
distant mist
i always want pop symbols befor pop shadown dance?
shrewd lantern
no
tribal blade
interesting, I started pushing quite late last season, only after turbo boost, a...
my argument is for title pushing
tribal blade
where there's an actual number you need to reach π
distant mist
Are you saying that sometimes I don't have a Shadow Dance charge, but I still have one Symbol charge, and that's the exact moment I should use the Symbol...?
shrewd lantern
You dont want to be in situations that cause you to not supercharge secret tech
blazing yew
for M+ do you use dungeon slice or 5-6boss 40sec-1min?
buoyant vault
!wa
wicked joltBOT
distant mist
You dont want to be in situations that cause you to not supercharge secret tech
still learning... now was my record at aoe dummies.. i did 15m :x
dusk stone
Your using dslice to determine how well you should be doing, or?
distant mist
A totally unrelated topic... it would be nice to have an NPC next to the dummies to reset CDs. π
blazing yew
Your using dslice to determine how well you should be doing, or?
sim gear i have. mostly playing sin, but need to work on sub for some bosses so im swaping gear around to see whats best (already completed it for raid ST spec) so not sure whats different/best from raid setup
raw wadi
sim gear i have. mostly playing sin, but need to work on sub for some bosses so ...
Most likely I swap neck and rings.. that's it for me.
static cosmos
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
blazing yew
Most likely I swap neck and rings.. that's it for me.
yeah it was that + cloak gem.
dusk stone
sim gear i have. mostly playing sin, but need to work on sub for some bosses so ...
I prefer top gear
limpid vessel
are we suppos eto macro netherprism onto shadow blades or use at 9/18 ?
dusk stone
Not reccomended to macro but you can
Or just do what i do keep prism on a keybind and use shift (prism) to modify it
blazing yew
I prefer top gear
yes, going in to top gear to check different items i have. Question is how to run the sim for M+, Dungeon Slice (sin does this) or 5boss w/40sec.
dusk stone
You can then have a macro for when you want both
The only thing ive heard is we just grab whats best off of top gear and dont rly care past that
violet palm
Is it ok to macro
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Azarβs Ritual Forge
/cast Unyielding Netherprism
So they would alternate every second cast for raid fight?
prime raft
does iron claw sim higher than mana oil
dusk stone
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
dusk stone
But no you cant use forge and prism at the same time
tulip token
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
haughty mural
But no you cant use forge and prism at the same time
Well akshually
limpid vessel
when do ustart holding symbo/dance/secret technique for flag/shadow blades
dusk stone
it changes
on a dummy you send your last dance at 45 seconds until flag is back, at 30 you theoretically "can" use one but it will start eating into flag dances
limpid vessel
icic since we get 3 charges of symbol and 2 charge of dance is there every any time we would be solo symboling into secret?
lucid jackal
not really with the tier set
There are situations, but they are niche and easy to fuckup
distant mist
Does the DPS drop drastically after the burst window ends?
lucid jackal
ya
limpid vessel
is it always flag into rupture or is that just the opening ?
haughty mural
Have you killed nexus king yet guy ?
tribal blade
does anyone know if the bigwigs timers on the 1st boss of streets are not accurate
dusk stone
what i found out if human sub is great for streets
tribal blade
because i pop feint right before it's supposed to come out
dusk stone
you have double immunity for 1st boss
tribal blade
and sometimes it just doesn't for a bit
dusk stone
double immune dont help when you get targeted 3x in row tho
lucid jackal
you usually every pack have flag + shadow blades?
every few
little fractal
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
honest basin
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
robust dust
Hi. Is it worth to fit 2 sec techs in first long dance in opener?
stone hemlock
question why is al the high rated m+ers full mastery vers.Aint no way the sims dont want crit
night sparrow
flat % dmg reduction ? idk
cloud rover
Just crit when it matters /s
Also its 50/50 to crit anyways, either you crit or you dont
./s
bleak night
why would i build crit when i just always crit anyway
rain vessel
Just snap cb
toxic cedar
Hi. Is it worth to fit 2 sec techs in first long dance in opener?
if you can yeah, its better
night sparrow
How do you guys handle the late ShT combo refill proc'd by Coup ? I have the instinct to not instantly press filler when I have 5 or 6 ShT stacks bc of the late refill but that feels really weird
night sparrow
Is there a specific WA for this ? I saw Imexile having a bar appearing when using coup in the last RWF
Already have the gunshot refill sound which doesn't always work (that's why I also added a sound when I reach 7 ShT stacks, double protec)
lucid jackal
I just have an actual sht tracker and mentally prepare myself to react if if it's at 5 or more stacks
I have mine set to pixel glow at 5 or 6 and then actual glow at 7
alpine wraith
i have an animation on my UI when i get a coup to know to be ready
it goes woosh and disappears then appears again
gloomy rose
do we still go coup > ss > coup outside of CDs, seems like sims use bs when not in cds?
alpine wraith
not without blades
gloomy rose
ta i thought that would be the case
turbid edge
is netherprism good in M+ as well?
gloomy rose
very
toxic cedar
as long as you dont die its very good
gloomy rose
turbo bis
turbid edge
very
trying to figure out between..... myth lily or normal netherprism lol. do i sim dslice?
or do sub use double on-use if i have both?
gloomy rose
ye just sim it, don't be afraid of double on use - especially for m+
craggy ibex
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
turbid edge
ye just sim it, don't be afraid of double on use - especially for m+
how do you even use double on-use...? lily is 1.5 min and blades is 1.5 already
short aurora
use another hotkey?
bleak night
normally double on use is forge and prism, lily and prism isnt really very good
but you'd go lily>lily>prism>lily>prism
etc
gloomy rose
just send on the packs you dont have blades
bleak night
no you definitely use prism with blades lol
you just wait until you have 18 stacks and use it
gloomy rose
trink 1 + blades > trinket 2 on next pack with dances etc > trinket 1 with blades repeat
bleak night
if you have another on use
short aurora
prism is stacking to 8 from a blade to blade window but you want to extend that with another on use so prism stacks higher
bleak night
brother why are we buffing random shadow dances
short aurora
lmao
bleak night
what a play
turbid edge
i'll sim it, but that seems odd to only use every other blade. gets so little value and decreases value of my lily
gloomy rose
we're talking m+ right?
bleak night
well yeah like i said you dont really use it with lily often
gloomy rose
no way you just sit on lily and dont use it for like 1.5 mins
mossy karma
!prepull
wicked joltBOT
Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.
- Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
NOT Recommended- Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully. - Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than1% damagegain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
bleak night
forge+prism is good because you get to abuse a strong 2m trinket and also have prism stack up
lily+prism is not very good
gloomy rose
it's aboslutely fine lmfao
bleak night
just if you were to use lily and prism you would not use it the way this guy is telling you
lmao
gloomy rose
especially in m+ when you still get a huge amount of dam without blades up
just sim it
turbid edge
i did, it won
gloomy rose
and if it sims well on an m+ route use it
void ocean
today im about to use forge+prism in keys for the first time
got both on hc in the span of 2 days
cant wait to fire 18 stacks on some unsuspecting trash pack
bleak night
cant wait to fire 18 stacks on some unsuspecting trash pack
nope you're supposed to use an 8 stack prism on your dances outside of blades
void ocean
gloomy rose
nope you're supposed to use an 8 stack prism on your dances outside of blades
literally not what i said lmfao
bleak night
gloomy rose
that can be lily
cloud rover
I mean he is kinda right
When you know you use your Prism with the next set of CDs
you could use Lily for something else
before
gloomy rose
ye Bel is high or smth
bleak night
except thats not what he said to do
upbeat sorrel
sub kinda fun in m+
bleak night
cloud rover
Language Barrier
upbeat sorrel
get to actually do boss damage
cloud rover
frfr
upbeat sorrel
bleak night
he straight up recommended using one trinket every blades and the other outside every time
void ocean
Im gettin this assa/outlaw vibes, guys, we dont fight over rotation in sub channel π
tribal blade
he straight up recommended using one trinket every blades and the other outside ...
y i k e s
zealous flint
!wa
wicked joltBOT
gloomy rose
he straight up recommended using one trinket every blades and the other outside ...
that is the least charitable way of reading what i said lmfao, obviously i didnt mean to send prism early if thats the trinket you're using, i just meant you dont not use your lily for 1.5 mins and just sit with it off CD, that would be wild
vale pine
!prism
wicked joltBOT
Unyielding Netherprism
Its a trinket you should be using with your Shadow Blades, using it on 9 or 18 stacks is the same on a target dummy but in practice thing like big pulls, damage amps or timings often end up favoring the big 18 stack.
long sun
Its like -5% overall last i checked
more so i wanted to compare some diff talents when the sim only uses evis
vale pine
you can use priority_rotaiton=1
it is a parameter you can set to check the diffence
e.g. i give you one example
on 5 targets, with
CUQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBAAAAAgZZMWmGzgZmxYMjxMzMMmtZxYstNzMYmxYMzysNAAAAMDGAjZzwADMLahWsBD
you lose roughly 5% aoe while gaining roughly 10% prio damage
sick sand
When we have dance & symbols rdy and at full cp do we cast a finisher and then enter dance or dance-finisher?
vale pine
if we move up to 8 targets
it becomes a slightly bigger loss with very similar single target increases
turbid edge
ive been dance-finisher-backstab
vale pine
you can sim it by simply:
/simc in game
and adding this below the sim in advanced sim:
copy="prio"
priority_rotation=1```
if you wan to have the diffrence %
chart_show_relative_difference=1
relative_difference_from_max=1```can add this at the top of the simdance-finisher is perfectly fine
mossy karma
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
acoustic matrix
If cooldown get desynced, what amount of charges on symbols/dance do i wanna have before entering flag ? I remember someone gave exact numbers here but can't find them
night sparrow
The very minimum is 1.3 Dance and 1.7 symbs
tepid trellis
1 charge and around 30 sec left on the 2nd dance charge
symbols you want 1 charge and around 8 sec left on the 2nd charge
acoustic matrix
aight ty
night sparrow
1.3 dance might lead to have 1 GCD or 2 without dance buff during flag/blades before your second sec tec depending on coups procs
correct me if I'm wrong
clever delta
So i was doing double on use on progg of forge and i was doing insane dmg, than i switches to prism + pacemaker for kill and did poop dmg
Wonder what i did wrong as most / top logs don't play double on use there
acoustic matrix
Did you have the same amount of dance casts ?
clever delta
I saw rogues tend to not use anything in intermission but my pillar really struggle
tepid trellis
1.3 dance might lead to have 1 GCD or 2 without dance buff during flag/blades be...
should be something like 22.5 sec of cdr from finisher with 5 finishers in 1 dance not counting supercharger
plucky parrot
obviously do what you need to do to secure the kill
but more resources sent on pillars
tepid trellis
and counting 2x coup
plucky parrot
means less resources for the amp
tepid trellis
cuz you would be holding coup going into cds
plucky parrot
which is where a large amount of your value comes from
clever delta
I think I need to start using those naked sectech more
Im sitting on sectech too often
night sparrow
thx for the precisions Stealthi
tepid trellis
quick maf
night sparrow
the coup goes skraaaa
sick sand
should be something like 22.5 sec of cdr from finisher with 5 finishers in 1 dan...
When do we stop casting dances or symbols, when flag is <20 seconds?
night sparrow
Why do you have Macron as PP Abda ?
bc this pic of this mfer makes me happy
acoustic matrix
bc this pic of this mfer makes me happy
Actually cracks me up lmao
tepid trellis
but its more so important to have used the amount of dances between that you can so you dont overcap charges
and you wanna have done that before you get to 20 sec or less
so it usually means stopping with dances at around 30
sick sand
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
hollow spear
My problem this season is that we're breezing through fights in normal and hc and I don't even get to feel out the spec. And now that we hit the harder bosses, I don't feel like I am 100% in tune yet.
limpid sage
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
vale pine
this website is rly good to see how others use cooldowns on fights
mght be a good starting point
haughty mural
Some pulls double on-use feels really good and some pulls itβs just straight up annoying .. I donβt know why
hollow spear
https://www.lorrgs.io/
I'm using lorrgs, but it's less about knowing when to hold flag etc but more about stuff like dry sectecs and holding coups etc
I'm parsing orange mostly anyways, so I'm not worried about that. It's more this feeling that I haven't achieved the mastery I'd like to with the new tierset
rigid delta
When do we generally replace the 701 DISC belt?
hollow spear
There's no generally afaik. Sim angle.
clever delta
Depends need to run sims, some may with 710 belt some never
vale pine
When do we generally replace the 701 DISC belt?
can be as early as heroic, but in mythic for sure
you will replace it at one point
vale pine
interessting
clever delta
But it sim different every time I do it tho
feral knot
i just replace it because it breaks my stealth every time
clever delta
Make sense
hollow spear
I probably have to top gear it, because droptimizer has been completely ass recently
runic trail
i just replace it because it breaks my stealth every time
It breaks stealth because you're using the wrong ability on it
clever delta
I need to cook what spec im playing on fractilus next raid, i saw some sub rogues popping off and make me interested
I did pretty good dmg on loomithar this week as assa tho
Im just worried since i stack every aoe with tanks I may eat Grass as ass
alpine wraith
yea if kill timer gets closer sub goes hard
clever delta
Yeah but lowering time in excecute
hollow spear
sin might suffer if it cannot get two dms in execute
clever delta
Yeah I know
alpine wraith
public of course likely there are higher assa ones private
clever delta
I dont see myself on meters as ass until I pop in excecute
Specially with prism π
alpine wraith
well around 5 min kill timer is kinda ideal for sub
as it is when you send the 18 stacker at 4:30
and if you know you only have 1 pot you send it there too
clever delta
Arent you sending 18 stacker at 3min
hollow spear
my guild has lower dps, I have been punished for holding recently
clever delta
And than normal one at 4 30
alpine wraith
not with forge
hollow spear
aint nobody got no forge
alpine wraith
i got nm forge and lfr prism
clever delta
And if prism drop for me this week, hunter will yonk it as he run lily
alpine wraith
it works with pvp trink just it is not forge
hollow spear
too much mental load with 60s cooldown for the potential upside
forge is at least straight forward
civic hearth
Hey, boys I wanna try a sub do you recommend using hekili as a base to learn spec? Or is it bad?
clever delta
Im not prio for mythic forge prism or antena for the moment so i think I will chill with normal trinkets for a while
fallow nimbus
I just need a forge for double on use. Got the rest on mythic already 
fierce minnow
any lily gamers?
fallow nimbus
Do we hold prism at bosses without amps? Did 3dh dudes and just macroed prism to blades. That fight is already shit enough without thinking about prism
clever delta
Only *
haughty mural
I just rotate forge and prism there
mighty citrus
on scale 1-10 how mad would you be when on forge in second amp the boss gets a shield for 5 seconds? π
runic hull
!wa
wicked joltBOT
fallow nimbus
Is prism+forge in simc or do we need a custom script?
plucky parrot
Is prism+forge in simc or do we need a custom script?
nah it should be in simc already
cinder steppe
!log
limpid sage
something doesn't feel right about macroing dance and thistle tea together
surely it's worth pooling for burst instead of just sending?
hollow spear
Don't think so
fallow nimbus
You send 2 in your opener already if macroed
zinc glade
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
limpid sage
how does that make sense
hollow spear
you get some free mastery when you deal the most damage
radiant shale
Hey, boys I wanna try a sub do you recommend using hekili as a base to learn spe...
If you need something visual, I would watch the Shinding video on youtube about Subtlety on TWW followed by his 11.2 video on rogues.
limpid sage
you get some free mastery when you deal the most damage
ye but stuff like staying above 30 energy
as well
I keep seeing people just say "macro it to dance and forget about it"
just seems weird to me
hollow spear
that's what I do
I probably lose 2 or 3 charges to auto tea, but I couldn't care less
per key
upbeat sorrel
What fotm alts are you guys playing
I got a balance druid but boomie stonks are way down
hollow spear
my fotm alt is monster hunter wilds :^)
vale pine
i play sub rogue as alt when i am tired of subtlety
delicate steeple
do we ever sectec without symbols?
vale pine
no
delicate steeple
and can i macro them together
shadow lance
Neither
Cuz sometimes, you press sod > evis > sectech
Cause sod supercharge your 2 next finisher
delicate steeple
hmm okay ty
floral solstice
new to sub in keys. when is it better to send black powder over eviscerate or visa versa ?
upbeat sorrel
i play sub rogue as alt when i am tired of subtlety
even while playing subtlety rogue, being forced to play sub rogue
hard plaza
!gear
wicked joltBOT
vale pine
even while playing subtlety rogue, being forced to play sub rogue
i have nightmares of being forced to play the best designed/most fun melee spec in the game, its such a punishment... people are so cruel forcing this faith on us....
vale pine
prism is also rly fun
floral solstice
i have nightmares of being forced to play the best designed/most fun melee spec ...
you have nightmares about playing arms warrior?
plucky parrot
new to sub in keys. when is it better to send black powder over eviscerate or vi...
bp on 4 targets as a general rule
floral solstice
bp on 4 targets as a general rule
ok thank you
knotty depot
prism is also rly fun
I just macro-ed it to SB so far and didn't try using it more manually yet.
yesterday I tried to really improve my Dimensius HC parse, but those other dps are killing stuff too quickly >< https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2PXZYTfvzKt3nFdA?fight=12&type=damage-done&source=212
I managed to pop burst twice in p1
held when it came back on first add cause it was likely gonna die before the end of CDs
modest river
are there any APLs for double on use or do sims take it into account?
knotty depot
sent on second platfrom
but it wasn't back for Amp + BL at start of p3....
Not sure how we can optimize with these timings, the logs I've been looking at have been... slower kills.
In retrospect maybe I should not have popped CDs at all during p2
plucky parrot
are there any APLs for double on use or do sims take it into account?
sims take forge + prism into account, unsure of other trinket combos
acoustic matrix
are there any APLs for double on use or do sims take it into account?
sims acount for it
modest river
was trying it with lily and i think its scuffed since lily comes back
acoustic matrix
Guys, not pressing Coup de Grace 20 seconds from flag does it mean I'm spending on black powder in single target if that happens ?
plucky parrot
was trying it with lily and i think its scuffed since lily comes back
you can run a quick sim and look at the ability timeline to confirm
plucky parrot
Guys, not pressing Coup de Grace 20 seconds from flag does it mean I'm spending ...
depends on if you need the additional cdr
acoustic matrix
That means I could not be pressing any button for 20 seconds ???
modest river
you can run a quick sim and look at the ability timeline to confirm
it accounts for it, gg
wanton portal
!cb
wicked joltBOT
- Why is the Cold Blood and Secret Technique macro not recommended anymore?
When you macro these two together you often end up using it outside of your shadow blades window rather than inside of it, and since Subtlety gets so many damage modifiers inside its cooldowns its actually more damage use it only in Shadow Blades
(yes, even if you end up losing casts of cold blood). Ideally you use it on your second Secret Technique as it will be buffed by more stacks of Flawless Form and have higher Flagellation stacks.
hot creek
That means I could not be pressing any button for 20 seconds ???
Backstab while waiting i guess
plucky parrot
That means I could not be pressing any button for 20 seconds ???
sometimes it do be like that, but you can still maintain rupture
dusk stone
anyone have any idea why my chat commands dont work anymore
plucky parrot
backstab soup
dusk stone
i tried that too
i get no response from game
it seems the commands are half broken, my chat doesn't respond to /combatlog but it does function
/rc brings up some weird weird ass menu, i have to /readycheck
hot creek
Do ST dmg is increased even if i press SD and/or SoD just during the lag ?
dusk stone
im not sure what you're trying to say
hot creek
Secret tec dmg are lagged like half a second after we press it
tepid trellis
sectech is a 3 part attack
one hits when you press the ability so at 0 sec
then two clone attacks follow at 1sec after press and 1.3
the dmg is dynamic
so whatever buffs you have when the dmg lands on either
is what they get
hot creek
Ok thank you
shadow lance
Do ST dmg is increased even if i press SD and/or SoD just during the lag ?
I love how you call that "lag"
zealous flint
Hey guys, with prism, are you waiting for a certain number of stacks before sending?
spare quiver
there is 2 builds that sub players are playing? any change on rotation?
upbeat sorrel
chat how come when sometimes when im doing the first part of coup with the 4 piece i cant cast any globals but sometimes i can
upbeat sorrel
there is 2 builds that sub players are playing? any change on rotation?
theres players who believe weaponmaster does anything
and players who know the truth
upbeat sorrel
u doing m+ or raiding
spare quiver
m plus
spare quiver
oki
tardy sable
!prepull
wicked joltBOT
Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.
- Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
NOT Recommended- Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully. - Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than1% damagegain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
quiet smelt
is it better to spread rup during downtime in aoe or just spam shuriken>bp ?
lilac stag
chat how come when sometimes when im doing the first part of coup with the 4 pie...
Coup has a 1.2 second gcd
fleet wharf
is it better to spread rup during downtime in aoe or just spam shuriken>bp ?
depends on how long the adds will live. Usually good to spread rup while tank gathers
dire crater
!coup