getting raid trinkets gonna take a long as time
#subtlety
foggy sphinx
ionic thorn
prism should still be good in keys
foggy sphinx
gonna have to try and buy them of guys winning the roll because i aint
tepid trellis
gonna have to try and buy them of guys winning the roll because i aint
just get devine and them all in on the bit to get it to you
divine*
foggy sphinx
suuuuuuuuuure
still need to learn how to play sub propper
a bit harder than assa
graceful osprey
It’s alright, I’m running house of cards still and the dimensious trinket since it sims better lol
hallow night
Currently I’m using lily and mythic track pace maker. If I get both 710 prism and soul forge double on use still sims a bit worse but I’m sure it’s good at the high end
ionic thorn
Same, I'm trying to learn but I can only get so far reading the guide tbh
ionic thorn
I find the guide hard to read (not through any fault of the wiriting or structure it's just a me problem)
swift tinsel
its not even tea that people like about the build its vigor
tepid trellis
also surely the rio builds are better than the wowhead one
there is like a combination of builds you can play in keys, which are all very similar but id probably go with CB+rotten build
shrewd lantern
its not even tea that people like about the build its vigor
vigor would matter if this spec did damage outside sb
tepid trellis
most is gonna net you very similar results
shrewd lantern
(it doesnt)
swift tinsel
yeah, people talking about loving the energy of tea but its literally vigor
tea energy is nothingburger
foggy sphinx
you dont need energy
swift tinsel
idk people like it for storm
foggy sphinx
during burst when you do all your damage
swift tinsel
outside dance etc
foggy sphinx
but you do 0 dam outside of dance
shrewd lantern
damn you might
foggy sphinx
so why would you amp that
swift tinsel
the fact it isn't a choice node yet is weird
I mean its not bc rogue talents don't get iterated on more than once a year
but weird it didn't go live with choice node
shrewd lantern
Hey you’ll take mandatory speed shroud
hallow night
You can add a tick to your energy bar so you know when it’s safe to spend energy outside of cds
shrewd lantern
and you’ll like it
tepid trellis
You can add a tick to your energy bar so you know when it’s safe to spend energy...
not worth it at all
hallow night
When you’re in cds it’s fine to waste a charge
foggy sphinx
you only use tea for the mastery
swift tinsel
ye you can achieve the same thing by spending to keep from capping energy as you approach flag like you do normally to farm sht stacks
tepid trellis
shit does fuck all
shrewd lantern
Im convinced a decent amount of df and onward
rogues
hallow night
Wait do you get the mastery at all times?
swift tinsel
no
tepid trellis
no
swift tinsel
just from using tea
tepid trellis
we just dont care
shrewd lantern
have a moderate to high level of adhd and need to spam an ability
hallow night
I care
ornate current
!cbug
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
swift tinsel
like the people saying sin has no energy ever and can only envenom every 3-5 business days outside DM
shrewd lantern
I solve the tea problem by never talenting it
ionic thorn
like the people saying sin has no energy ever and can only envenom every 3-5 bus...
because sin doesn't have energy in ST lol
but you just don't care
tepid trellis
thats how we used to play it, but it doesent show as a gain anymore to do that, i however by feels still do it
hallow night
In top logs they back to back symbols of death
swift tinsel
idk the times I ever feel energy starved as sin st is
once or twice maybe for 4-5 seconds
a fight
ionic thorn
swift tinsel
even with sanguine blades
tepid trellis
but isnt nimble damage based on the main target
it is
shrewd lantern
i mean raid build is much faster i wont deny that
hallow night
So they’ll symbols > storm > enter cds and just symbols again
magic ruin
yo chat anyone here sending 2 sectecs in first dance in opener? feel like clones dont hit within it
shrewd lantern
especially if you chain crits
grand viper
what belt power do we run in m+
tepid trellis
it was just a thing last tier for FW spread for BP spam
tepid trellis
what belt power do we run in m+
crit
swift tinsel
I know you don't
just saying even if you have the extra energy consumption never really feel starved
wild hornet
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
wild hornet
wait why is prism macroed to blades while at 20 sec cd?
hazy breach
It stacks up
ionic thorn
wait why is prism macroed to blades while at 20 sec cd?
because sending it every 20s is booty cheeks?
hazy breach
You dont want to be using it every 20s
ionic thorn
you want the stat during your burst window
wild hornet
ohh i thought youre getting the stats each 20 seconds
hazy breach
You get stacks every 10s
hallow night
If you run 2 on use trinkets you’ll probably need 2 shadow blades macros
hazy breach
And you get more stats the more stacks you have
fast elbow
hello im new to sub rogue and the guides are a bit tricky for me to understand but do you use shuriken storm outside of shadow dance to build combo points in aoe, and in shadow dance you use shadowstrike?
swift tinsel
pretty much yeah
swift tinsel
humblebrag
foggy sphinx
So sub is mainly for burst aoe and assa is more sustained focus?
swift tinsel
there's some niche stuff with storm in dance but that's related to 4pc
glacial hinge
do we avoid deminish returns on mastery? to be efficient?
versed swift
If you run 2 on use trinkets you’ll probably need 2 shadow blades macros
Pretty sure you can just put the other on use before prism
/cast forge
/cast prism
Cause forge will put both on cd
swift tinsel
do we avoid deminish returns on mastery? to be efficient?
sims generally tell you when to shift stats out of mastery
for me it was 22-23k
tepid trellis
So sub is mainly for burst aoe and assa is more sustained focus?
yeah, like you can still do decent dmg with just dances, but it wont be the same dmg as Assa since they arent cooldown based in AoE
swift tinsel
and it wanted to shift way more into crit
hollow spear
@warm marlin mr. cash money right there, huh
mental shore
!guides
mental shore
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
mental shore
!prepull
wicked joltBOT
Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.
- Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
NOT Recommended- Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully. - Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than1% damagegain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
tepid trellis
<@135762418251988992> mr. cash money right there, huh
we had one of those drop for an evoker on mythic
full vers
he was in shambles
keen dome
I guess he better become.. versatile
tepid trellis
nah im a mastery believer
vale pine
mastery is my highest stat too
foggy sphinx
yeah, like you can still do decent dmg with just dances, but it wont be the same...
I just had issues with assa about not getting to restealth and running out of vanish charges
When i wanted to hold vanish for when mobs reach execute to re spread bleeds
foggy sphinx
and opening without stealth is pain
glacial hinge
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
shrewd lantern
<@135762418251988992> mr. cash money right there, huh
Outlaw players requesting your location
alpine wraith
big mastery snacker
surely when they become available no one wants the 9700 mastery one
elder pebble
Guys is there a permanent wayt o fix cold blood macro? XD
hazy breach
No, relog is the only thing
quiet smelt
hey guys hows this breakdown look ? 12 dawn
wicked joltBOT
Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:
- Relogging.
You can use ths weakaura to get a reminder: >Open on Wago.io <
left peak
Is it possible to make a macro for shadow stepping a specific enemy? I have one for allies but I can’t change it to the name of the boss.
steel jolt
Target it first probably
warm marlin
swift tinsel
or focus macro ig
left ledge
Or whatever boss you want to step
left peak
Hmm. I did do boss1 but I didn’t work
left ledge
Weird, should work
left peak
True I can just focus. No kicks on soulhunters
swift tinsel
ye if its for soul hunters a focus macro would be fine
past storm
!wa
wicked joltBOT
steel zinc
<@135762418251988992> mr. cash money right there, huh
that ring is like 200k on normal
steel jolt
!guide
elder pebble
Is it 2 dance in symbols and then 2 dance windows between next cds?
Yeah i looked at method picture
lime obsidian
!gear
wicked joltBOT
obsidian merlin
does coup the grace more dmg if I have more combo points?
vale pine
yes
obsidian merlin
ok always try to do it with 7?
vale pine
6+
swift tinsel
ideally 6+, sometimes your 2nd coup from 4pc will force you to finish with less bc of the timer
its more important to send that one with as many cp as you can get before the buff duration runs out
ornate current
is the a Weakaura that counts how many globals you used in a dance window ?
elder pebble
its so weird that dance lasts so long now
honest basin
I don't know of one, you could probably make/get one made. I personally count them because I have mental problems and my brain forces me to count random shit lol
mental shore
__Subtlety Macros:__
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Co...
how much % is if we macro this
manic silo
Hello, I'm trying to learn Sub at the moment but I'm doing around only half of the dps I do with the bleed Assa build in m+ (both on aoe and st). Is that just a plain and simple skill issue or does sub need a certain level of gear to really pop off? I'm pretty much just wearing whatever I could get my hands on at 692ilvl, so the statline is pretty all over the place. (33% crit, 15% haste, 13% vers, 33% master)
vale pine
assassiantion is significantly easier to play
so without any context, i would assume it is a issue of not being familiar with the spec
keep in mind that subtlety punishes you for mistakes
honest basin
Hello, I'm trying to learn Sub at the moment but I'm doing around only half of t...
Your mastery is really low, and mastery does help a lot in AOE but def recommend just practicing if you're intending to play sub more
vale pine
stat wise you want mastery/vers/crit and not haste
honest basin
P much what fuu said. Mistakes are punishing, you can lose a lot of damage for mis timing one ability in a key
vale pine
important thing is to line up your cooldowns well
you should always have 2x symbols, 2x dance and 2x secret during your flagelaltion/blades
and outside of that 1-2x symbols + dance + secret
the former is what you should focus on at the start
as well as!
trying to not hold your cooldowns too much
many players hold their cooldowns on this spec when learning, often for their entire duraiton
native hawk
disaster
honest basin
F
swift tinsel
F
honest basin
Hello, I'm trying to learn Sub at the moment but I'm doing around only half of t...
General rule of thumb in m+ is send CDs on cooldown. As you get more familiar with routes, timings, etc you can tweak things such as sending an extra dance here or there or waiting till the next pack to send flag/blades, but overall the most DPS you can get out of sub will be from sending CDs as often as possible since the majority of your damage is crammed in CD windows
cursive vapor
Ffff
subtle rapids
So for Trickster, what triggers Flawless Form? Or is that always active?
midnight stratus
is cold blood better than tea in kets?
alpine wraith
So for Trickster, what triggers Flawless Form? Or is that always active?
unseen blade and also using coup when target is fazed
jovial quest
might be worth adding to a pin or command but are we supposed to press SnD at all?
honest basin
So for Trickster, what triggers Flawless Form? Or is that always active?
Unseen blade gives a stack, secret technique gives a stack, coup on a Fazed target gives 5 stacks
vale pine
might be worth adding to a pin or command but are we supposed to press SnD at al...
we don't
subtle rapids
Unseen blade gives a stack, secret technique gives a stack, coup on a Fazed targ...
Thanks, that helps. Was wondering why my cleave would get scuffed on some pulls
honest basin
Yuh
obsidian merlin
its more important to send that one with as many cp as you can get before the bu...
many thanks 🙂
sullen hare
In edge circumstances like pressing it between packs for a little CDR maybe but otherwise we don't put snd in the rotation
sullen hare
One of many teenie tiny optimizations that aren't technically necessary
Mmmm backstab soup
alpine wraith
our dances outside cds actually pack a bit of punch now tho
runic hull
alpine wraith
does not help st hugely but on aoe it kinda goes hard
shrewd lantern
our dances outside cds actually pack a bit of punch now tho
Yeah we upgraded from ice soup to stale bread
twilit phoenix
slim chasm
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
slim chasm
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
honest basin
our dances outside cds actually pack a bit of punch now tho
Yeah but it's for the MEME
It's all about the funny backstab soup
oblique mauve
!wa
wicked joltBOT
rocky ocean
tulip token
Just got held hostage in a key for the entire timer cause the tank and dk were friends and didnt want to let the other 3 people leave even though the key was undoable with them. Sick new system
alpine wraith
rip
proper slate
!MACRO
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
gleaming carbon
Hey folks... Don't know what to do next. Changed from Assa to Subtlety (I'm a new player) and I'm doing shit damage. I know I'm missing experience but at the same time I think I'm kinda doing the things that I should but it's not representing on Details:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KyY13CdJwbQv6Fjf?fight=59&type=damage-done&source=15
I'm open for suggestions or criticism, I just want to understand what I'm doing wrong
swift tinsel
Hey folks... Don't know what to do next. Changed from Assa to Subtlety (I'm a ne...
should save flag for first add set
tulip token
That second macro allows you to double on use with prism because the forge will go off before the prism so it wont use it right? Then you just bind prism to another key and can use as a 3min?
winter ice
!wa
wicked joltBOT
grand viper
Outside of shadow dance, we build with backstab? even in aoe?
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
swift tinsel
your symbols/dance/sectech use is kinda all over the place, I would recommend spending some time at the training dummies and really hammering in the cooldown sequence
obsidian orchid
is sub ahead of assa now for both raid and m+?
swift tinsel
aim for 2x symbols/dance/sectech in each flag window, and supercharging every sectech
for that fight especially, if you just use symbols/dance/sectech on opener they'll be ready to send with first flagellation with first add spawns then you'll use dance for each add set
you'll hold your flag for the big add spawn set and it comes up in time to nuke the world
swift tinsel
is sub ahead of assa now for both raid and m+?
they each have their strengths
fathom adder
is it normal to sit on sectec 20 seconds when you just did the 1 dance between cds or would you send it with symbol but without dance in that case? only thing i am still unsure about, i guess send it when you got enough time for symbols + sectec to get back because you lose nothing
swift tinsel
is it normal to sit on sectec 20 seconds when you just did the 1 dance between c...
you don't want to sit on sectech unless flag is coming up in ~20-30sec, so its fine to use if you know it'll be up by the time flag is off cd
woeful rain
how do we use tornado in m+?? durings cds or just outside?
swift tinsel
and if its the space between 1.5min and 3min flag you can usually sneak in a sod+sectech without dance
fathom adder
as i thought then, thank you
swift tinsel
np np
swift tinsel
how do we use tornado in m+?? durings cds or just outside?
before cds to spread rupture or after cds to farm cdr
woeful rain
before cds to spread rupture or after cds to farm cdr
valid tyty
inner garnet
Totally new to rogue - but when I see streamers play they almost always have 50% energy or higher. When I play Im starving like crazy. Am I spamming my backstab too heavily? Or am I missing something? :(
sick jackal
how big is playing prism + araz from antenna + prism?
gleaming carbon
tysm for the help, will focus on the rotation with my big cds.
swift tinsel
Totally new to rogue - but when I see streamers play they almost always have 50%...
!design
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".
swift tinsel
in your cds you'll basically have infinite energy
inner garnet
aight, so it is okay to have downtime with no spamming
swift tinsel
because of shadowcraft and relentless strikes
inner garnet
outside of cds
swift tinsel
yeah, outside cds you're pretty much just farming cooldown reduction
vale pine
yes
swift tinsel
spreading rupture in aoe
vale pine
outside of cooldowns is slow
swift tinsel
chillin chillin
vale pine
during cooldowns = fast
inner garnet
May I ask what makes sub so damn good in m+ right now?
swift tinsel
very strong burst
vale pine
May I ask what makes sub so damn good in m+ right now?
its a combination of multiple things
swift tinsel
non-reliance on funnel for boss damage like assassination
we don't trade off single target for aoe
pulsar hemlock
The real question is, prism + forge or prism + pacemaker in keys
vale pine
but basically, the tier set is rly good and it makes us better at burst damage
pulsar hemlock
swift tinsel
we're just in a really good spot to do good damage pretty much all the time in keys
feasting
vale pine
there is a trinket from raid (neatherprism) which gives the potential to get a lot of stats, which means we can burst even more
and the dungeon pool has enough fights you can't easy pull mobs to the boss
additionally
assassiantions fatebound tier set is the significantly stronger one
silent maple
!macros
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
vale pine
and you play deathstalker in m+
pulsar hemlock
I finally got to play prism+forge on nexus king this week and it felt incredible
vale pine
besides some additional nerfs to its aoe and some bugs
normal patio
Selling left nut for netherprism
stoic flower
So.. in M+ I've noticed I probably use BP too much. creeps up to almost 20% of my damage (and as a result CDG is down to 8% and eviscerate at 5%); I basically BP at 4+ targets.
But comparing to big boy rogues like Messer, BP is just 9% of his damage (67 casts vs my 144 casts), and his CDG is 11.5%.
So how are you approaching BP in m+? Saving it for massive pulls?
vale pine
so assassiantion got nerfed, sub has a lot of positives in this season going for it
tl;dr
wheat cloak
is it really better to black powder than evis in 4+ targets? i feel like im getting more damage with evis on the 5 dornogal training dummies
vale pine
yes
keep in mind that you have the control as a plaer
*player
if you need a bit more prio damage
you keep using evis
if you want more aoe
bp
pulsar hemlock
Also find weakness spread helps BP damage
stoic flower
I also saw Casualaddict's Araz prog and he doesn't even BP, just eviscerate/CDG
vale pine
many times you will just use evis even tho BP would be technically more damage
normal patio
You can attempt to avoid the padding allegations.
(It won't work)
stoic flower
many times you will just use evis even tho BP would be technically more damage
Got it, just wanna kill the dangerous add then
vale pine
similar
spreading ruptures is technically good
but due to how adds often arn't that important to do damage on
you or streamers will decide to only put rupture on the main target
in the end, there is in talents and decision making a lot of flexibility
stoic flower
Ya and gotta get rid of assa brain where you rupture everything, even when it's low. Sub only ruptures when adds last long enough lol
vale pine
its also significantly easier on assasisantion
because you spread rupture to more targets with one cast
stoic flower
So BP at 20% isn't necessarily the wrong play if you're at 4+ targets, but its' more pad
hazy breach
is it really better to black powder than evis in 4+ targets? i feel like im gett...
Youre still using coup
honest basin
It depends on your role in the key generally. Usually when I'm with an arcane mage, I use more BP being that they're doing the prio, but if I'm with a BM hunter and frost dk for example, I stick to evis usually because at that point I am the prio damage.
hazy breach
Even when youre supposed to bp
vale pine
secret > coup > bp in prio (during dance, ouside of dance there is no secret)
sinful marten
how consistently can you guys fit 2nd sec tech during first dance
lethal yew
Are players in high keys running Inev and Rotten for more ST over default m+ build?
vale pine
yes
obsidian orchid
they each have their strengths
for m+ which would you say is the better? seems like sub has caught up quite a bit for higher keys?
vale pine
inev especially is for more single target
swift tinsel
for m+ which would you say is the better? seems like sub has caught up quite a b...
I'm extremely biased towards sub
vale pine
and burst to a degree, because you extend symbols for slightly longer during your cooldowns
i wish PV was not so shit
swift tinsel
same
vale pine
so it does not feel bad to play ^^
swift tinsel
or if it switched spots with inev
lethal yew
I see they are dropping Finality and PV in favor of those two
grand viper
do u never secret tech outside of sd/stealth?
lilac stag
I also saw Casualaddict's Araz prog and he doesn't even BP, just eviscerate/CDG
We are an anti-funnel spec these days. Just BP. Especially in pugs. Spread FW with rotten and let BP truck everything.
swift tinsel
do u never secret tech outside of sd/stealth?
rarely but yes
honest basin
i wish PV was not so shit
You just gotta be like that one guy the most nerfed rogue in existence and PV+goremaw
vale pine
do u never secret tech outside of sd/stealth?
technically, there can be very rare cases of it, but i would not advise to consider them
honest basin
lilac stag
but streamers do this…
vale pine
You just gotta be like that one guy the most nerfed rogue in existence and PV+go...
i mean
swift tinsel
naked sectech is something you'll get a feel for the more you play
vale pine
i dare you to look at the history of shadow focus
swift tinsel
lmao
honest basin
RIP shadow focus
vale pine
its probably one of the most nerfed spells in our talent tree
honest basin
I member when you were good
astral axle
Press shiv for more Danse stacks 
lilac stag
WM history also interesting
honest basin
Press shiv for more Danse stacks <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
Throw shuriken 
swift tinsel
Press shiv for more Danse stacks <:HOLY:1250893440183570533>
if you stormed previously in that danse you can shiv between coups lol
vale pine
and ended on 5
covert lagoon
how do i sim for m+ (high keys) 16-18 for sub / Asking for sim opt (topgear)
vale pine
dungeon slice
lilac stag
Dslice
lilac stag
your gearing won’t matter. Avoid haste. Be happy
vale pine
you usually don't play with your entire raid group ^^
covert lagoon
ah oke.. i allways felt dslice is way off
sullen hare
and ended on 5
I had no idea it had fallen so far from such heights lol
lethal yew
I wish i could drop my 4k haste
covert lagoon
cuz i do probobly 3-4M dps per sec more then sim tells me
lilac stag
ah oke.. i allways felt dslice is way off
It’s for gearing. Not for dmg output
vale pine
I had no idea it had fallen so far from such heights lol
it was nerfed every time the spec was designed around energy starvation
e.g. in bfa
slender beacon
Is the tea build doing less damage than the cold blood build ?
stuck linden
!wa
wicked joltBOT
vale pine
it became mandatory before blizz introduced a system with essences to give more energy
so it got nerfed
because thats how you fix a talent being good
swift tinsel
Is the tea build doing less damage than the cold blood build ?
they basically trade single target for aoe damage
tea for slightly more aoe, cold blood for slightly more single target
over the course of a key
vale pine
and this was just a repeating trend
slender beacon
Ty!
covert lagoon
It’s for gearing. Not for dmg output
what do i sim for dmg output ?
vale pine
This happened multiple times:
- design baseline energy to be too low to fit all gcd's in dance
- people pick shadow focus to be able to fit all spells
- blizz nerfs shadow focus
- < later during xpac >
- blizz introduces a system that gives energy allowing shadow focus to be skipped
lucid jackal
Nothing
timid forum
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
sullen hare
This happened multiple times:
- design baseline energy to be too low to fit all ...
And then it just repeated in cycles?
slender beacon
Is it me or chain pulling with sub is horrendous ? I find myself having shit overalls with tanks like that
vale pine
(also because of shadow focus, which is a energy system introduced)
sullen hare
I mean it's kinda hard to feel excited about 5%
vale pine
chain pulling is fine
slender beacon
Or sometimes coming into packs with no cds and having below tank damage 👀
normal patio
If anything chain pulling help me hide ice soup damage between cd's
hazy breach
With dance up you should be doing fine damage
sullen hare
Do you think if they changed the logic on shadow focus to be active during ice soup time do you think it would be more valuable?
empty plume
it would feel better but not actually be good
sullen hare
I'm not asking for AYCE gloomblades again but would it at least be pickable?
bitter halo
So just started playing sub in m+, any tips and tricks that would help me get my dps up?
honest basin
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
empty plume
finish your set bonus
sullen hare
Never underestimate a tasteful sprinkling of ruptures while the tank is getting things gathered
sullen hare
finish your set bonus
Also that
empty plume
set bonus dumb strong
honest basin
So just started playing sub in m+, any tips and tricks that would help me get my...
General quick tips: send CDs on cooldown, fit 8 spells in dance, make sure you shadowstrike during dance and press coup as much as possible
sullen hare
Idk about dumb strong but its good
empty plume
single target is terrible without it
so then bosses live longer and you spend more time in that trough
sullen hare
Yep get that 4pc
Doesn't matter how you get there even lfr pieces, assuming they even drop
honest basin
Idk about dumb strong but its good
691 champ 4p was about 750k for me at start of season and I was in full bis s2 gear
It's pretty damn good
honest basin
Part of it was lou 4p was also kinda dog after they nerfed the shit out of it
sullen hare
Imagine if they kept it at like the 8% per stack or w/e or was at first
fallen marsh
!bugs
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker
honest basin
Imagine if they kept it at like the 8% per stack or w/e or was at first
Bruh it was like 60% shadow damage or some fuckshit lmao it was projected to be like 33% DPS increase over NP tier lmaoooo
And blizz was like
What if we nerf it by 80%
civic pagoda
when do we replace Disc belt?
lucid jackal
Like 416 or smthing
honest basin
My sims want a 717 belt to take it off, might be different for others
rocky stream
how do I sim for M+? 5 boss 5 min? or dungeon slice? what is the recommended for rogue?
plush roost
Dslice is usually fine
rocky stream
thx
limpid gull
!wa
wicked joltBOT
limpid gull
does anyone have the gun reload sound for shadowcraft refund
the one that shindigg uses
shrewd lantern
Why not ask him
swift tinsel
does anyone have the gun reload sound for shadowcraft refund
the post directly above yours
swift tinsel
he is, but theres really only one that people use and its the one in the weakaura command
shrewd lantern
Fair
swift tinsel
some people change the shotgun sound to the silencer one since its shorter
shrewd lantern
I’ve always thought if you’re curious about someone’s particular ui element
its faster to ask them directly
swift tinsel
ye typically if they're streaming they'll have a ui command for chat too
shrewd lantern
i actually get annoyed at the chain refund sounds
clever delta
little bit zooming
shrewd lantern
had a shaman pack that came with one
shrewd lantern
Like warriors who play with thar execute sound wa
hearing chaching every 5 seconds
swift tinsel
fr lol just give it a flash animation
shrewd lantern
I prefer just making an icon glow+slightly larger
swift tinsel
yeah I'm a big proc glow/pixel glow enthusiast
pixel for currently active buffs, proc for procs
clever delta
ez pz zooming
shrewd lantern
I think spending hours playing crackshot outlaw made me used to reacting to refunds
without any sound
mental kettle
!wa
wicked joltBOT
swift tinsel
I need to do some UI cleaning tho
mossy ledge
When’s a good time to use netherprism? Second set of cds and then every set after that?
timid forum
at what time do I start pooling Dance for Shadowblades
violet palm
How do we use bubbling wax now? Just click and we gtg?
gilded lodge
How else were you using it before? 🤣
violet palm
I saw someone did weird shenanigans with unequipping weapon to put it on right one
swift tinsel
we're all big subs here
crisp pond
the backstab on the 2 or 3rd gcd is it only if u have a coup proc
or to proc unseen blade or macabre
swift tinsel
the first dance is quite good
crisp pond
do i still bs then or
swift tinsel
and weaponmaster is quite weak
that' doesn't have an effect on whether you backstab for danse+premed
charred pawn
my cold blood secret tech macro stopped working in raid after first couple of bosses, anyone dealt with the same issue?
swift tinsel
if find weakness is up (which it will be because of Strike) and its your first builder in dance
yes
!bs
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance/Tea Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, nullThis will cast Shadow Dance and Tea(if talented) on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
winter ice
When’s a good time to use netherprism? Second set of cds and then every set afte...
Macro to blades
swift tinsel
which is why this macro exists pretty much
crisp pond
i see i see big tyty, got another question too
swift tinsel
np np fire away
crisp pond
shadowblades damage is that pure rng?
swift tinsel
nope
crisp pond
also coup is it rng or do i do something for it
swift tinsel
its a percentage of the damage that procs it
crisp pond
so low shadowblades means i suck
swift tinsel
you gain stacks of Escalating Blade from each Unseen Blade hit
and once it hits 4 your evisc becomes coup
crisp pond
you gain stacks of Escalating Blade from each Unseen Blade hit
do i play around it or na
shrewd lantern
wasnt there some weird vanish shenanigans with tfd
swift tinsel
you have a random chance to reset the 20sec internal cd on Unseen Blade via Thousand Cuts in the hero tree
violet palm
wasnt there some weird vanish shenanigans with tfd
They said it's fixed and actually ticking down outside combat
swift tinsel
so that part is random, in addition to the s3 2pc which has a chance to hit twice with UB and grant 2 Escalating Blade stacks
winter ice
Yeah vanish and afk when the pull before boss is close to dead
swift tinsel
do i play around it or na
to an extent you try to not waste potential EB stack gain
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
swift tinsel
Blades is usually my top 4 or 5 damage source on a st fight like Plexus
idk what 'low' is for you
crisp pond
yeah comparing fractulis logs and my did like 120m compared to 145-150m
mossy ledge
Macro to blades
oo, then i dont gotta wait to build stacks for first use?
crisp pond
hapticts if u got time u can like take a small peak for me (keep in mind i killed it before i asked questions)
swift tinsel
there's my fract top few from our last hc kill
winter ice
oo, then i dont gotta wait to build stacks for first use?
Eh u might be able to farm like 2-3 stacks in gather but for m+ just macro to blades and you’ll have a good time
swift tinsel
I'm about to leave work but you can send a log or something if you want
can look at it in like 20mins
abstract oar
I have pacemaker also at 710
crisp pond
dming u dont have to go all in but like what ever u find before its bothersome
winter ice
If raid hopefully your playing double on use so u can stack it for second blades Idk what to do if it’s ur only on use
alpine wraith
made diff
shrewd lantern
nimble shouldnt be able to hit loom's webs right
crisp pond
nimble shouldnt be able to hit loom's webs right
u mean the circle adds?
shrewd lantern
yes
crisp pond
can check 1 sec
mossy ledge
Eh u might be able to farm like 2-3 stacks in gather but for m+ just macro to bl...
what about raid? still full send with shadowblades?
inner garnet
and you play deathstalker in m+
How come you play deathstalker in m+ when everyone I see is Trickster?
shrewd lantern
i guess it can if they get too close
winter ice
If raid hopefully your playing double on use so u can stack it for second blades...
@mossy ledge
alpine wraith
there is a trick on the tangles
you can shadowstep first one
and hit both
just move bit to the side
i didnt do it on last kill but it is kinda cool
winter ice
don’t shadow step until after tangles come out or ur insta gibbed
crisp pond
thats pretty big but rouges ignore webs either way if not needed right
crisp pond
ye ofc depends on group but "optimally" i think u dont care imo
but im also dog at sub according to logs so idk
mossy ledge
<@144253436680994816>
running prism and antenna, but i could run prism and lily
i guess ill sim
shrewd lantern
i was mroe wondering if there was a way to get some cleave on them for free
while playing normally
sinful depot
Hey peeps
Long time sin enjoyer here. Playing sub in keys and feels really nice. Defo more boss damage for a bit less AOE.
My dungeon slice sim is 10% more with double on-use trinkets. Netherprism and mythic track lily (1.5min cooldown).
Any tips on how you would play around dbl on-use trinkets. I was thinking to use lily first pull and then just use netherprism every 1.5m after that and just dumping lily on big pulls whenever
crisp pond
while playing normally
only if they hug boss or get in tech range then
or a quick rupture but that might be assa in me talking
alpine wraith
to cleave from boss they would need to be quite close
winter ice
running prism and antenna, but i could run prism and lily
Yeah antenna gonna be ur bis I think the only good double on use setup is prism/forge
vale pine
How come you play deathstalker in m+ when everyone I see is Trickster?
on assasisantion
inner garnet
ah, gotcha :)
vale pine
my point was the tier set on assasisantion is stronger for fatebound
but you play deathstalker in m+
which contributes to assassiantion being a bit weaker in m+ this season
winter ice
make them remove the fateboind coin aoe reduction fuu
mossy ledge
Yeah antenna gonna be ur bis I think the only good double on use setup is prism/...
on lorggs im seeing everyone full sending with shadowblades, with the macro
pine ingot
!gear
wicked joltBOT
lucid jackal
I have pacemaker also at 710
Double on use is only good with forge
timid forum
Anyone could give some feedback on logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gPpMX16NZYFaLmKv
void ocean
so how do we play around forge and prism together?
crisp pond
Anyone could give some feedback on logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gP...
would love to but im bad
void ocean
where is that chart
crisp pond
so how do we play around forge and prism together?
think u click forge on pull, 2nd cds prism repeat
you could quick sim and look at its cast
void ocean
looks like a bit of a waste for forge
lucid jackal
so how do we play around forge and prism together?
Alternate them
It's not that complicated
void ocean
true
with alternate wouldnt even have to rebind em, just /use 13; /use 14; would work where forge is 13
limpid gull
the post directly above yours
that one only has the wa not the right sound file
it uses a sound from outlaw
daring tusk
is there some weird bug with Cold Blood wa's not showing? Only works if i quit and reload the game
next bone
Hey guys, Do you think my dps woulg go down too much If I start to /dance when all CDs are on CD? It jsut felt bad to have 0 CD's and energy starved, might aswell do some roleplay
quiet smelt
when you flag > blades and the dance window ends.. do you want to go into the next dance right away or use backstabs/finishers till flag ends then go into next dance ?
sinful depot
is there some weird bug with Cold Blood wa's not showing? Only works if i quit a...
Cold blood macros and was are bugged when changing spec between sub and sin. Relog fixed for now
shrewd lantern
I mean the tradeoff for being the burstiest spec is you do tank damage outside cds
daring tusk
Cold blood macros and was are bugged when changing spec between sub and sin. Rel...
cool ty
timid forum
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
lucid jackal
with alternate wouldnt even have to rebind em, just /use 13; /use 14; would work...
Yep, just be aware sometimes like on mythic forge you will want to manually use prism as forge comes off cooldown before u send the last set of Cd's
Do use 13 use 14 and then have a separate bind for prism
void ocean
oh u mean like with dying breath sending some half botched cds cause the boss is dying
no time for full
swift tinsel
that one only has the wa not the right sound file
you change it to the shotgun reload sound
hollow spear
@vale pine Does the target in range WA return something that I can use in a condition? I want to make an element glow if there's 4 targets or more
swift tinsel
or whatever sound you want
mossy ledge
i know i need to have both charges of dance for flag and sb, how many seconds left on sb do i stop pressing dance so ill have 2 charges?
next bone
I mean the tradeoff for being the burstiest spec is you do tank damage outside c...
I bet we do more like Healer Damage on downtime, but the burst is Godly, Guildmates always surprised that my alt Sub do more burst than Everyone on core, Then when the fight ends im almsot last DPS kek
lucid jackal
oh u mean like with dying breath sending some half botched cds cause the boss is...
No
final moat
Hey guys, what is the Open-world/pve/questing talents?
lucid jackal
Your last flag on forge comes up during intermission
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> Does the target in range WA return something that I can us...
you can re-use the variable to check
crisp pond
i know i need to have both charges of dance for flag and sb, how many seconds le...
i think you mean when to hold with dances for cds
shrewd lantern
we're more like tank damage outside cds
lucid jackal
But you hold it for the actual burn
crisp pond
i think its around 26 sec
lucid jackal
But holding for burn means forge is ready
Which means you will end the fight with a 18 stack prism
final moat
Hey guys, what is the Open-world/pve/questing talents?
Any1 know?
crisp pond
Any1 know?
wowhead have
mossy ledge
i think you mean when to hold with dances for cds
yeah, sorry i worded it weird lol
lucid jackal
Probs just the m+ talent build
crisp pond
yeah, sorry i worded it weird lol
no worries, i think its around 26 secs
final moat
wowhead have
it doesnt have 1 for open world, only delves etc
mossy ledge
gotcha, thats so awakward, just hitting backstab and evis for 26 seconds
hollow spear
you can re-use the variable to check
Do I have to re-write the custom variable then to something like "stacks >= 4" or how would I reuse it?
final moat
this one?
left ledge
Looks good enough
final moat
It's the raidbuild cleave
final moat
lucid jackal
The delve build will also be good in open world
final moat
ok let me do that one then
final moat
shrewd lantern
raid in theory ethereal should b better
final moat
Any recommended changes?
shrewd lantern
can swap sf for rotten
vale pine
void ocean
Which means you will end the fight with a 18 stack prism
aight, gotcha
final moat
can swap sf for rotten
sf?
vale pine
i don't think rotten is that good
shrewd lantern
shadow focus
but all of them are pretty insignificant
once you get the core talents
limpid gull
you change it to the shotgun reload sound
yea i was asking if anyone has the sound file
shrewd lantern
like delves are pretty poop content
just tricks to bran and only blow up packs when you have sb+flag
and do objectives when you dont
vale pine
the problem with delves is
shrewd lantern
hey my bran is 100
vale pine
they i changed the cleave talent a bit, can re-import if you want
vale pine
the problem with delves is
^ they kind of suck
shrewd lantern
Theres less reason to do them this season
vale pine
like, the gearing was changed to get maps very late
this means you don't get anything from doing delves early
and at the point you would, you need to spam them
vale pine
and already get more from running m+
shrewd lantern
there's like, only 2 really exceptional trinkets from delves this season
vale pine
so blizz did basically hear to the top end of the playerbase
and made delves completely useless day 1
shrewd lantern
The void fragment, and soulbreaker's sigil.
vale pine
shrewd lantern
They basically just exist as an option to get your shitty alts hero track tier
that cant get into pugs
vale pine
they are for casuals
sullen hare
Yep once I realized maps weren't gonna be around without grinding delves I dumped that shit
late elm
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
honest basin
they are for casuals
And fwiw the casuals love them, which is fantastic in the grand scheme of things
vale pine
i don't know
shrewd lantern
i've noticed
vale pine
like blizz did say
they want to introduce a 3rd pilar of gameplay
which should make sense to do outside of the first days of a raid
and this aint it
this is exactly what people feared the system to become
honest basin
3rd pillar? Even blizz doesn't count PVP as a real thing 
shrewd lantern
like honestly
vale pine
well raid, m+ and delves
shrewd lantern
most probably wont do 11s until like
1-2 months into the season
if that
like they're VERY good for getting my shit alts gear
that cant get into pugs
or i want to gear it a bit playing at degen hours
stuck linden
!guide
honest basin
You'd be surprised. Lot of the casual crowd is super into delves and basically have replaced all the low tier m+ they used to do with just doing delves and gearing up that way
shrewd lantern
thats what i do for my poop alts
void ocean
do we play double on use in keys as well?
shrewd lantern
you can get 31 gilded a week doing 11s
which is a 720 crafted per 2 weeks
its not terrible
sullen hare
You can. I am still just gonna play prism plus passive @void ocean
honest basin
I'm ngl, unless delves are required(one of my guilds requires them week 1 for tier chance since we don't do splits) I do not touch them on any characters, I personally cannot stand them.
shrewd lantern
i actually think because of delves theres no reason to do super low keys
and thats why players down there are even more pepega
than they used to be
honest basin
All the players that did low keys with any amount of skill are just doing delves instead to not deal with horrible pug groups
hollow spear
I think I haven't pugged a single low key this season and I don't intend to start now
shrewd lantern
like personally i've not had a reason to do a 2-4 key
this entire expansion due to delves
on any character
hollow spear
Kinda helps that this season added something like 4 key levels by default
honest basin
I don't do em because I can force my guildies to drag my rats through 10s till I can get into em myself
shrewd lantern
yeah
or you screw yourself and took your key
instead of getting one after mooching someone elses
honest basin
But I also don't play a lot of alts, p much only my wind walker and occasionally bdk aside from the 3 or 4 rogues I gear occasionally for funsies
haughty mural
„Yes“
final moat
they i changed the cleave talent a bit, can re-import if you want
Is it better then what I have for Open/world?
honest basin
I love when my guildies are like "can I bring my rat" and roll up with someone wearing season 1 gear
Like damn bro you said rat not fuckin cockroach
vale pine
Is it better then what I have for Open/world?
should be fairly similar
final moat
should be fairly similar
meh np then i'll keep the delve one. I just wanted smth that would help me out with quests
even thou im max lvl
honest basin
Didn't touch em in s2 xd
I actually have a level 70 rogue that's still sat with aberrus bis gear
vale pine
we did delves week 1
honest basin
shrewd lantern
Yeah
vale pine
no reason to touch
and thats exactly what they shouldn't be unless i missremember the idea behind them
honest basin
Yeah week 1 tier chance is goated for any guild not doing splits
shrewd lantern
if you didnt minmax alts for coffer keys to get your maps week 2
swift tinsel
I just do them as a time sink now
dusk stone
ret paladin
honest basin
ret paladin
Can't play it they closed the discord
dusk stone
exactly ur suppose to be on strike
maiden hamlet
But I also don't play a lot of alts, p much only my wind walker and occasionally...
I have one extra alt rogue at 80 and my guild looks at me sideways for having a second. Glad im not the only weird one lol
shrewd lantern
thats alot of void elves
honest basin
thats alot of void elves
I'm actually so mad I have void elves for the transmog discount and they're making it free 😩
Nerfing the best racial in the game x.x
honest basin
wait its becoming free?
Idk someone said it's becoming free and I don't fact check shit because it's funnier to just get mad about things
bleak night
It is becoming per slot and changing your gear will not require you to reapply the transmog
bleak night
So like kinda free in a sense because it's free to swap gear
lucid jackal
You transmog the slot not the item
vale pine
Can you tell what my favorite class is
warlock for sure
bleak night
But not free to actually swap to a new transmog
honest basin
Honestly now that you've explained it in even more mad because I can't be mad about my nerfed racial
I'm*
bleak night
Just never use a different transmog ever again and you can be mad again
shrewd lantern
human racial players:
bleak night
mental kettle
transmog is such an annoying gold sick
but the cost of consumables is worse imo
shit is overpriced af
shrewd lantern
im aware
lilac stag
Just be a Velf
honest basin
I never get loot
I get juiced because I'm a livelord in raid
shrewd lantern
with mythic nerubar and delve helm
honest basin
Other DPS be like: "+150k DPS 🤓"
Raid lead: "you die 20 seconds in every fight tho"
shrewd lantern
im floored
mental kettle
wtf us a kuvekird
lilac stag
Imagine playing wow and not having enough gold to pay for transmogs.
mental kettle
wtf is a livelord
steel jolt
someone that doesn't die
honest basin
Imagine playing wow and not having enough gold to pay for transmogs.
It's the whole reason I do boosting 🙏
honest basin
I survive better than our dk
mental kettle
idk whos dumber
shrewd lantern
one thing i've noticed
shrewd lantern
unholy otps are usually slightly brighter
than fdk otps
when it comes to dk players
honest basin
It's frost fs bc I'm a frost dk player
gray wedge
Does sub and prism trinket have a timetable like FDK does?
wispy echo
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you have the 4 set buff active and need to build combo points you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
mental kettle
im at war with dk discord
sullen hare
Why? What'd they do
shrewd lantern
Just like ask boomkin players
mental kettle
idka bout frost and UH
shrewd lantern
to count to 4
mental kettle
but blood dk discord
lilac stag
im at war with dk discord
Leave it there.
shrewd lantern
also im gonna pretend i use different mogs on dk
when i just mog warrior t3 perma
alpine wraith
Does sub and prism trinket have a timetable like FDK does?
yes
crystal atlas
!wa
wicked joltBOT
mental kettle
dome trink is ok no?
sullen hare
it's decent
sullen hare
if you haven't managed to get any good trinkets it's better than nothing and an okay pick for on-use
sullen hare
mental kettle
if you haven't managed to get any good trinkets it's better than nothing and an ...
nop no trinkets fro mraid
honest basin
I have both on one of my rogues and have been wondering about the double on use gameplay
mental kettle
yeah but thats like every raid
mental kettle
good trinkets in raid and dog in dungeons idk
hazy breach
does forge+prism sim proper
Yes
alpine wraith
So you literally just alternate? No weird gaming?
yep
shrewd lantern
oh 704 forge just sims less than myth pacemaker by like 60k
didnt expect that big
alpine wraith
only weird gaming if you ahve pvp trink
sullen hare
lily isn't so bad to be unusable but it's vastly outshined by prism
hazy breach
Maybe still doesnt if you sim on weekly
hazy breach
But i think it was more than a week ago it was pushed
shrewd lantern
Oh i sim on latest like a normal person
gray wedge
I only have prism / lilly rn
amber oak
best rogue spec for keys?
sullen hare
prism lily is properly cursed
gray wedge
sac/hunt are my outlaw trinkets
mental kettle
best rogue spec for keys?
the one you're best at
amber oak
I've mained outlaw for my whole life but started tanking for fun, now I go back to it so I don't know what to play.
mental kettle
outlaw good prob gonna fall off in high keys as always
gray wedge
I've mained outlaw for my whole life but started tanking for fun, now I go back ...
outlaw is fine, but people look for sub/sin in keys because it's on someones tierlist
honest basin
True
gray wedge
outlaw good prob gonna fall off in high keys as always
That 10% aura buff is going to go crazy
followed by 4% blade flurry nerf
shrewd lantern
I mean they're all good
mental kettle
outlaw is fine, but people look for sub/sin in keys because it's on someones tie...
tbh assa and sub are nice with funnel outlaw is meh
honest basin
Random streamer x said sub A tier outlaw D tier so if you apply to a 8 key with 3k io as outlaw you get declined for not being meta
shrewd lantern
but idk wtf "mained outlaw whole life" is supposed to mean.
mental kettle
like in flood with momma assa and sub go hrd
shrewd lantern
I honestly feel if last time you played outlaw was before df s3
gray wedge
like in flood with momma assa and sub go hrd
You should get your tanks to get crocs for the goblin/hob boss too
mental kettle
but idk wtf "mained outlaw whole life" is supposed to mean.
he was born when combat was removed
shrewd lantern
its basically a different class
mental kettle
You should get your tanks to get crocs for the goblin/hob boss too
ye ofc
but this is the obvious one
that even without extra mobs u can benefit from
gray wedge
We did that pull in some 12 to get a friend resli and the rest of the party freaked out and paniced into a wipe lol
shrewd lantern
he was born when combat was removed
Them 9 year olds got hands
Holy fugg
Legion was 9 years ago
..
...
...
gray wedge
Real dude
mental kettle
tf
gray wedge
they legit paniced
mental kettle
kekw
gray wedge
"wtf were those crocs"
shrewd lantern
You know
mental kettle
i wanna send 10cp supercharged potted sec tecs on those people irl
shrewd lantern
there was a details script that removed the slime damage in fall
was funny seeing where the ret was
on that pack without
mental kettle
fall?
gray wedge
there was a details script that removed the slime damage in fall
You can clean up details p easy
shrewd lantern
galakrond's
mental kettle
maldrxus
gray wedge
Galakronds
shrewd lantern
the slimes with the big mob
mental kettle
ahh yes
shrewd lantern
before blight