if you use double on use
#subtlety
dusk stone
i dont think you do that tbh
so in keys if you macro it to blades you waste a few charges and dont have 9 for next flag
haughty mural
Also in keys you want to be aggressive with your cds
vale pine
so in keys if you macro it to blades you waste a few charges and dont have 9 for...
you mean in the first pull?
dusk stone
yeah but ive had it happen at other times too
vale pine
you could use a modifier key if you want to optimize it more
dusk stone
like after deaths on bigger gathers it can do similiar thing
haughty mural
You ain’t sitting around for 180 seconds before something happens usually
But maybe I’m just bad this season
dusk stone
the sadge part of prism is its not a good pug trinket
vale pine
but you are not wrong, if you want the maximum control over the use, its always better to not use macros
dusk stone
you cannot plan 18 stack prism and sometimes you just die with it
karui chopper is top dps on purple drank man
bleak night
karuichopper 
slate marlin
When you have coup up when flag comes, its coup->sectec->coup?
vale pine
the sadge part of prism is its not a good pug trinket
found it not too bad tbh, but i don't aim to have a perfect m+ run
measuring performance relative to others in the key usually
vale pine
hmm think it matters once you go a bit higher
but you usually try to play with an organized group if you want to push
dusk stone
ideally, i just work super late half the week
vale pine
keen trellis
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
keen trellis
Question regarding #1 to not use finishers. That only applies if the 2nd dance will also be ready, otherwise if that is not the case (e.g. flag 10s on CD, 2nd dance charge ~50s -> it will not be ready to cast back to back), we use finishers instead of holding until 2nd dance charge comes up?
hazy breach
Yes if you dont have the cdr you cant sit
keen trellis
Thought so, thanks!
dusk stone
33.5% left on boss
hollow spear
3% every 3h
high eagle
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
oblique fable
Curious what an average overall after a key look like for sub? Say 700+ ilvl and 12+ key level
shadow lance
high eagle
!wa
wicked joltBOT
hidden jasper
Curious what an average overall after a key look like for sub? Say 700+ ilvl and...
Depends on key + pull size, but here's a flood 12 from earlier today
dusk stone
I had an Ara 12 where I basically broke a tiny bit over six
hidden jasper
Will also depend on if you're black powdering or opting to go for more ethical eviscerate usage
dusk stone
I didn't play bad or anything either
oblique fable
I feel like flood is THE meter to show lol
dusk stone
Yeah flood parses are kinda w/e atm we know sub is good
hidden jasper
Flood is a good sub dungeon
hazy breach
The 60m on big momma pull 
hidden jasper
Facts
dusk stone
Maybe ara but I think it's tank dependent
night sparrow
Do we know if the 4p unseen blade is not stackable after first coup a bug or is it intended ?
oblique fable
When you’re in big momma, is that an ethical evis moment or full send bp
night sparrow
like can we expect a fix 🥸
night sparrow
alright ty
also it feels so weird to waste an unseen blade even 2 while dancing out of flag+sb window
dusk stone
You send bp
hazy breach
Well the other option is to waste your globals doing storm
dusk stone
You are dragging mobs ontop that need to die
hidden jasper
When you’re in big momma, is that an ethical evis moment or full send bp
If you've got a group that does good add cleave, then can usually just evis boss, but gotta watch adds health to see if you'd rather bp instead
lucid jackal
Coup to 8 stacks in 11.2.5 🥸
hazy breach
Ye sub needs more things it can prestack for hardmode
lucid jackal
dusk stone
At 18 stack prism you do that pull anyway you wish tbh
hazy breach
7 superchargers, disorienting strikes, 4 coup stacks, 14 sht stacks and 18 prism stacks just isnt enough
We need more juice
dusk stone
How about a third trinket that requires you to turn backwards after every gcd for 15% more damage
slate marlin
a trinkrt that backflips every gcd, no stats or active
hidden jasper
a trinkrt that backflips every gcd, no stats or active
Okay but how funny and cool would that look if you think about it
slate marlin
I was not being sarcastic, i want that
Not on a tier sub is good
a tier where sub is ultra trash and we can be bad with style
hidden jasper
So last tier?
dusk stone
Is it possible for liquid to 3 heal dimensius
slate marlin
So last tier?
yep
dusk stone
Last tier was awful
hidden jasper
Is it possible for liquid to 3 heal dimensius
Would be interesting with how much passive damage they are all receiving
dusk stone
What made it worse was sub + 1 renown bug where you are just unplayable
Maybe they don't have enough damage with 4 healers
Salad man was like that
hidden jasper
Honestly think it's a week 3 angle if boss doesn't get nerfed
They still lusting on p1
hidden jasper
Maybe if they shift lust to p3
hidden jasper
I miss Jpc
dusk stone
Who jpc I am new rogue
hidden jasper
Need him to return
hidden jasper
Who jpc I am new rogue
Bro just made me feel old
dusk stone
Because vers is good for keys
calm haven
So would you also be going vers flask aswell?
dusk stone
I have 25% atm
misty umbra
Quick question about sub, is it better than assa since that week?
hidden jasper
Would anyone know why the Vers enchant is suggested for m+ over the mastery one?
Vers is a good stat to have, especially when you start doing higher keys
I'd still recommend you Sim your character to see which enchant would be better
dusk stone
Sub seems better for keys and certain raid fights atm
I am convinced for all but halls and dB atm
calm haven
Lets just say I'm only intending on doing 7-12 range, still go vers?
hidden jasper
So would you also be going vers flask aswell?
Yeah, but that's because I'm a tiny bit under the wanted vers value. Flask gives me just enough to not be
mighty venture
new to sub this xpac, do we stack flagellation as high a possible and then send our cd windows? or do we just send while also ramping the stacks
dusk stone
Check the guide
hidden jasper
I am convinced for all but halls and dB atm
Nah, DB and Halls both good wdym
dusk stone
!guide
dusk stone
Wowhead guide covers it all
dusk stone
Nah, DB and Halls both good wdym
Db is suppose to be good sub key but check the logs
upper crypt
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
alpine wraith
new to sub this xpac, do we stack flagellation as high a possible and *then* sen...
you use flag then finisher then enter dance
dusk stone
We are way down on db
alpine wraith
you dont really stack it before dance it stacks fast
mighty venture
you dont really stack it before dance it stacks fast
ty for useful info
alpine wraith
follow subscribe smash that like button and idk
cunning notch
follow subscribe smash that like button and idk
hidden jasper
What's wrong with sub logs in db?
dusk stone
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
sullen hare
Who's ready for that new Apex Talent we're getting that increases black powder damage by 24%
dusk stone
I want the one that makes DS meta
alpine wraith
weapon master master
dusk stone
That talent
untold raptor
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
hidden jasper
Who's ready for that new Apex Talent we're getting that increases black powder d...
I'll take any talent over goremaw's bite at this point
covert apex
hidden jasper
Return of invigorating shadowdust? 👀
Imagine
Can't wait for the return of the spreadsheet days
sullen hare
Sub rogue will get a literal last week drop like ds again and it'll be just as broken and dysfunctional
All the dev time is on the new dh spec any other expectation is lunacy
slate marlin
weapon master master
its 4 points on apex talents, so it would technicaly be weaponmaster master master master master
Each point thus, giving you 1 master
hidden jasper
Would be nice to see sub get like a 45 second cool down as one of the apex talents
To fill in downtime between blades and flag
dusk stone
Yes give us shadowdust DS best sub tier
hidden jasper
That actually does something
dusk stone
I mean there's nado'
slate marlin
I think apex is meant to empower your iconic spell or somethint not somethint new
hidden jasper
Why such love for deaths talker?
slate marlin
If thats the case then we wouod get fatty fat fat sectechs
dusk stone
Bro we do not want that
sullen hare
Apex that changes tornado to sectecnado
dusk stone
Where you have to stab the guy from step
slate marlin
Ngl sectecnado would be so stupidly fun and op
sullen hare
Just purple everywhere
dusk stone
Make all the clones use backstab
hidden jasper
So with 3 new class tree talent points
sullen hare
rofl imagine they give us dust
Irony would dead
hidden jasper
We just get tea + cb now
untold raptor
We sim Patchwerk for Aras/Soulbinder right? I wasnt able to find the answer in a search
bleak night
So with 3 new class tree talent points
we dont know if you can just spend them all wherever or if they're gated
you might just get one per gate
hidden jasper
Would be cringe if it's per gate
dusk stone
Give us more difficult dust where we have the sheets but it's 50/50 if you're doing the right one
hidden jasper
Nah dust will never return if raid renown will stay a thing
Because every week or two you have to now adjust
cunning notch
is it best to funnel as sub rn ? or black powder spam ? ( m+ )
hidden jasper
Because bosses will be dying faster
hidden jasper
is it best to funnel as sub rn ? or black powder spam ? ( m+ )
Depends on if you want to be ethical
alpine wraith
it is fine to think
cunning notch
Depends on if you want to be ethical
biggest number
alpine wraith
about time to die
hidden jasper
biggest number
Send BP on 4+ targets
cunning notch
copy that
alpine wraith
sneaking in some extra cds was quite fun
sullen hare
10 sec lol
cunning notch
was that talent ever even played
sullen hare
Let's talk 30
dusk stone
I see
untold raptor
Smolderon go brrrr
hidden jasper
Real
hidden jasper
It's nice in theory
But then like, the stronger your raid got as a whole, bosses started dying faster
Timings started to shift
alpine wraith
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=382523/invigorating-shadowdust
that is the pvp one
got nerfed 4 times there
from 20 to 10 to 30 to 20 to 10
hidden jasper
So people started creating spreadsheets of optimal cd usage with dust
dusk stone
What was it for pve
alpine wraith
for pve it got buffed from initial 20 to 30
hidden jasper
And every week or so it would change after boss netfs, etc.
alpine wraith
it was not people it was just 2 people stealthi and me
dusk stone
That sounds intuitive and fun wdym it was bad
alpine wraith
and i guess some people did do theirs in private i guess
the biggest problem was we had several cds that desynched quite easily
hidden jasper
That sounds intuitive and fun wdym it was bad
It's intuitive and fun until you have to adjust ever single week
alpine wraith
but the coolest thing is you could OMEGA send
if you wanted
completely destroy something
i did keys as dust
hidden jasper
Was fun in keys tbh
alpine wraith
i adjusted every key and pull
dusk stone
I see cd desync
alpine wraith
and it was very fun
even played it on sl
you could do a special tech with flag obedience and the cdr boi
hidden jasper
Will never forget the "just play darkbrew" moments when people were asking which build to play in m+ lol
alpine wraith
could get flag to stack again
alpine wraith
you send them the big boye
dusk stone
That's the good stuff
hidden jasper
But realistically dust will never return
sacred yarrow
In Midnight, It will be called Void Dust now
alpine wraith
very unlikely same as our cool super dances
sacred yarrow
trust
sacred yarrow
a-void dance
dusk stone
Bro a talent that gives branching decision making
That sounds like it doesn't have a skill ceiling, it has a skill sky
alpine wraith
i would not mind some talents that gave cd to some finishers but would make things cooler
like evis with 10 or 5 secs cd
but you can buff it with other finishers or doing x diff builders or something
dusk stone
I am legit gonna make a ticket tonight and ask for that back
woeful roost
guys is it ok that my second dmg is st? or does it have to be bp in m+
alpine wraith
depends on dungeon
usually nimble is first now if you have 4p
then bp or sec tech
scarlet stump
Hi, new to sub rogue. Do we use black powder on 4+ or 7+ targets ? Some guides say different or is it because black powder buffed ?
tepid trellis
4 or more
woeful roost
there is a wa that tells if u have to use bp or ev
scarlet stump
where can i find it
tepid trellis
!wa
wicked joltBOT
hidden jasper
Gotta convert more people to ethical evisc enjoyers
scarlet stump
thank you guys
dusk stone
!guide
alpine wraith
funnily enough even if you want to ethical evis 1 bp and that dm stack might give more dmg
so cant escape BP
dusk stone
Ideally on stuff like 1st pull flood you should evis a few times to prio the big guy and bp after
Are we playing gloomblade for fractillus because no backstab
hazy breach
Nop
opal basalt
just went into another hc pug for the lulz to test out how my damage feels and man is it hard to parse on those cleave fights
wdym best log on araz is 8.6m
dusk stone
What's going on
void needle
He's talking to himself. Pay him no mind
opal basalt
i thought i'd share my experiences with some fellow subtlety rogues
dusk stone
What is rough about it tho
opal basalt
idk variables in raid quality ig
void needle
Oh I see, not actually asking yourself wdym.
dusk stone
Araz has set phases where the damage Amp is, if raid is slow just send a dance Instead of flag window
You don't have to send stuff on cd
void needle
It seemed like back and forth between your own messages. (cleave fights are hard to parse), wdym cleave fights are hard on sub? Top parse is 8m
hollow turret
why are you talking about damage in a pug
opal basalt
shhhh
opal basalt
huh?
wdym brain damage
i'm just looking for some fun stuff to do and as my guild doesnt do alt raids yet i joined a pug with mostly experienced people in it
dusk stone
Soulbinder you have total control over when your spending cds too
opal basalt
yeah on soulbinder i managed a bit better
dusk stone
So it was araz?
opal basalt
on araz i could have held cds better i think
opal basalt
isnt the amp like 10s or so?
dusk stone
Doesn't matter
You send the later 10s of prism
You have almost best burst in game
Amps are your thing
It is why we are viable in raid at all
opal basalt
bro i do understand my class
and i'm not talking about playing the boss 100% properly
but about padding in the meters lol
jagged rover
it lines up with the amp anyway, and youll do the most during the amp
jagged rover
last usage lines up with all the adds at the end with that timing
opal basalt
number one heroic log definitely used full burst for adds
opal basalt
bro why would i be talking about mythic in a pug setting
dusk stone
I mean that I wouldn't worry, there were sub parses last tier where people had insane parses you can't get Because of cd timings
opal basalt
its funny to do some things
like rogue's my alt and probably never gonna step foot into mythic raid
so i have to find something else to do on it as a sort of season goal
last season on my dh alt that was avg 95s in heroic
i think i wanna push that a bit more on the rogue this ssn
dusk stone
I got a 99.7 on plexus last week with m+ talents lol
dusk stone
I really do enjoy raid this tier
opal basalt
because i didnt look for timer
dusk stone
Frac is cancer though
crystal oasis
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
opal basalt
and got the knockback in my face right after hitting 2nd dance
tepid trellis
thats hc for me, dont even remember what i did, i think i just mostly ripped it on cd in p1, just timing dances to spawns
dusk stone
I got like 6.7 or something
tepid trellis
but we also do it in a split so i dont really care about full on cranking it, i just want my loot and get out of hc and into mythic
jagged rover
I need a better heroic parse. No splits so everyone is just sending
opal basalt
idk i ended at like 4m or so, but tanks fucked up the echos twice and also we didnt really keep adds tidy so i shadowstepped into them for raid to not wipe
dusk stone
It was the dumbest thing I got awful parse for araz and then like 3rd on soul hunters in my group
opal basalt
pug setting makes it very hard to pad on that boss
jagged rover
our evoker got his orange parse on our mythic soulbinder kill, killed my prog parse lol
tepid trellis
idk i ended at like 4m or so, but tanks fucked up the echos twice and also we di...
thats basically my boss dmg
but im probably also a "BIT"
more geared
jagged rover
previous pull I was like 1 mil higher and then ranged figured out the timing
opal basalt
thats basically my boss dmg
damn i actually did almost the same boss dam as you
like 20m less
jagged rover
I was 701 on my last forgeweaver, 705 now, probably 706~ next week when we do farm
tepid trellis
708.8
dusk stone
706
jagged rover
I'm missing gloves, need some to drop from M+ so I can push my last piece to 704
dusk stone
Veteran gloves
dusk stone
Why did a feral steal your trinket
jagged rover
im working on my scuffed as fuck feral druid right now because I can't grind for gloves anymore right now
tepid trellis
we got the same dmg from it
random hare
@tepid trellis
tepid trellis
so he got it
jagged rover
I dont even know how to gear from scratch this season
tepid trellis
its a w/e sandwich
random hare
@leaden prairie bozo…ur missing the doesnt matter dps gain
tepid trellis
its neutral
random hare
tepid trellis
think the only time you could actually do it and gain something is if you do the pre sectech cheese
random hare
U still run cb in m+ or what’s goin on
opal basalt
actually tea now
random hare
Rly?
opal basalt
ya
tepid trellis
tea is chill
random hare
Is it bigger boss dam by how much
tepid trellis
1%
dusk stone
Tea is good
random hare
tea is chill
Ye but cb is like always there
Tea in boss dmg sim starts at 3 stacks
Which sucks to me
jagged rover
I am really enjoying sub in M+, bleed build boss damage is ass and I hate it
random hare
I am really enjoying sub in M+, bleed build boss damage is ass and I hate it
Sub is good enough in m+ yes its probably better than sin in all runs except premade groups where sin literally solo’s the entire dungeon
random hare
cb is -1% aoe and tea is -1% boss dmg
Oh thats like omega big
Then u just always cb ok ok
tepid trellis
its basically 1% for 1%
tepid trellis
just in AoE vs single target
random hare
And u lose more than 1% boss dmg if u start with 0 tea
Right?
So that probably omega sucks
In real runs
tepid trellis
not actually sure, depends where eleem gave me the numbers from
random hare
I might run tea in dungs like floodgates if i wont play sin will see
opal basalt
auto-tea should be a warcrime tbf
tepid trellis
if its boss dmg in dslice sim or a 5min sim
in dslice it wouldnt have 3 stacks
but i do not know where he gave me the 1% from
i just trust the raichu
errant ferry
Some dungeons are better for sub right? Which ones would those be?
tepid trellis
dawn and streets
errant ferry
Cool ty
jagged rover
Sub is good enough in m+ yes its probably better than sin in all runs except pre...
sin is great in the big pulls but even when I run with guildies we aren't pulling stuff onto boss. literal tank dam without funnel
random hare
Ye sin without playing around it is just sub angle to me
U can play sub in arakara maybe too
ripe flame
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
random hare
I think most tanks dont know how to tank arakara for sin
So u just sub there imo?
Idk
Didnt try tet
jagged rover
ara-kara has a lot of built in funnel on the bosses, so that at least helps
random hare
Yet*
dusk stone
Idk people say db is sub key but it's the one we don't have a top parse for
We have eco dome over db logs
random hare
ara-kara has a lot of built in funnel on the bosses, so that at least helps
Maybe ye
jagged rover
like even on last boss you can at least get 5 target CT rolling on the boss
random hare
I wouldn’t look at sin logs atm
jagged rover
better than nothing, but still probably less dam than sub
random hare
We know how much it does at max ilvl
tepid trellis
sub in arakara is fine, only "bad" part is after first boss
random hare
And its omega crazy
jagged rover
yeah singular focus destroys in that area
random hare
Assa is BIG for those
Its annoying for sin cuz they die in 15 seconds
dusk stone
Which are the big fuckers with aoe dr
dusk stone
I check mdt it's not listed afaik
tepid trellis
big scarabs with white aura around them
random hare
Ye ik ik
dusk stone
Why is it not in mdt
random hare
Ngl stealthi
I think
Sin’s job there is to just nuke it
And u just chain the whole area
tepid trellis
yeah
random hare
Cuz like
tepid trellis
Assa is really good for it, where as sub is kinda not
tame stratus
@tepid trellis can you share your mini hp bar pls, I tryed to copy it, but cant replicate the look
tepid trellis
<@83652604344664064> can you share your mini hp bar pls, I tryed to copy it, but...
i yoinked it from zac lol
random hare
Rly rly bad for sin to restealth there
dusk stone
You talking right side 2nd split?
random hare
U talking to me zorn?
random hare
If u mean after 1st boss arakara
dusk stone
I got 5.7 overall and I thought I played well
random hare
That area up to 2nd boss
dusk stone
Yeah
tepid trellis
first one of the dr fuckers is on the end of the bridge after first boss
random hare
U never restealth there kinda
Unless its ez to do so
Cuz ur job will be to nuke the big guy
Thats it tbh
dusk stone
I was mad, I'm like I've been doing rly well on meters and I get this derp stuff that run idk
tepid trellis
but yeah i think its a chainpull angle as Assa and just nuke the DR fucker
and let the others deal with the shit
dusk stone
We did right side and I prio scarab I think right side is just bad for sub
random hare
Too many hp imbalances
tame stratus
i yoinked it from zac lol
ok ty, found it
dusk stone
Good rogue tier regardless we chilling
void needle
!up
wicked joltBOT
void needle
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/...
ty kind sir
void needle
loot is the same as far as I know
Just distributed per boss on their specific table
You don't run taz for the dungeon loot, you run it for the mythic piece
ripe flame
Is hm tazavesh diff loot than the keys version
loot is the same
dusk stone
It's all haste, the myth thing at the end is also haste mostly?
void needle
I'm ngl myth is myth
Especially if you're trying to catalyze tier gear
Most of the leather is haste though, yes. But I've been grinding the shoulders for hours
dusk stone
True
I did 20 dawns and got zero signet, teammate trolled me and got 2 b2b forced upgrades then 3rd b2b and I got it finally
I hate loot in this game
void needle
I don't honestly know why you can't trade "upgrades"
And the only factor in an "upgrade" is ilvl
If I loot a shitty sub trinket that is far worse than the lower ilvl ones I have, I should be able to trade it
hazy breach
The answer is toxicity
mossy hatch
i need help with my rotation i want to pump as sub, where can i look to see what im doing wrong
void needle
It's at the end of a dungeon, if I get bullied into trading an upgrade that's my own problem
hazy breach
i need help with my rotation i want to pump as sub, where can i look to see what...
!guides are a good start, but likely youre fucking up your shadow blades windows
dusk stone
i need help with my rotation i want to pump as sub, where can i look to see what...
Check the guide but this place is also good
mossy hatch
!guides are a good start, but likely youre fucking up your shadow blades windows
where can i look to maybe see what im doinjg wrong
void needle
Blades is the core. Master that rotation and you're immediately goated
tepid trellis
cross reference logs
void needle
^
hazy breach
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
dusk stone
The guide, it shows an opener and you check if you're doing it right
hazy breach
Ig i should update the picture to include double coup, but it doesnt matter much as its replacing an eviscerate
tepid trellis
i should get into photoshop again so i can make pretty pictures
instead of fancy words
dusk stone
As a newer sub rogue I wanted more visual information when I learned
Like different blocks of the rotation
tepid trellis
either that or i make short youtube clips
probably the 2nd
since thats gonna take shorter time
hazy breach
Cant really do a picture of the rotation since it varies depending on sht procs
hazy breach
Like not in a good "without much text" type way
tepid trellis
Eleem btw, im planning on make sub specific boss stuff (after prog), so if you come across something neat, hmu
dusk stone
I read fuus guide right and read priority but for new people I feel like text info will not always stick, I remember going to dummy, doing opener and getting lost
I kinda just grinded heroics and learned what the abilities did
dusk stone
I am also not new to mmos
tepid trellis
but i used to do it every ptr cycle
now im only gonna do it on ptr cycles if something is substantially changing from patch to patch
swift tinsel
I usually end up doing it by proxy of trinket testing on ptr
alpine wraith
kinda same
cobalt palm
!wa
wicked joltBOT
graceful osprey
Bubbling Wax worth?
wheat elk
bp can't keep up with nimble that normal?
dusk stone
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
wheat elk
12 hoa
dusk stone
Maybe actually I'll go and check my logs later
dusk stone
Top log for halls 12 is nimble over bp
Reason is prob that strike also triggers it
One below that is bp over nimble
When are you doing evis vs bp
wheat elk
boss and prio
dusk stone
You can just bp regardless for not bosses it's fine if you want
Depends if the mob needs it ig
jagged rover
my damage was lower than I'd like, but this was my breakdown on a 12 hoa
wheat elk
had like 8m overall, dunno what others do in hoa
wheat elk
thanks
dusk stone
8 is good for halls
thorny wagon
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
high crow
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
uncut grove
any of u guys got macro for shadowmeld into stealth?
slender totem
ive got 4 set now newly swapped to try out sub, i feel like im doing way less aoe than my assa build?
am i bad or
i dont refresh ruptures during sd right?
tepid trellis
!bugs
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker
short radish
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
slender totem
so when i have 4 piece i still do shadowstrikes incase i get more coup procs untill the 5 sec are out?
instead of ss
short radish
if youre in dance
you press shadow strike
to generate cp
if you have coup proc
you press coup
coup is like DN
you want to get rid of it
unique nest
If you have 4p proc, does it take prio over sectech in dance ?
formal viper
Am I trolling doing this? It saves so many binds
unique nest
Do you send 2 coups with energized cp ?
hybrid compass
do I just spam black powder after opener on pulls? I feel like this ability does negative damage and its better to push other buttons or its just dependant on build?
hazy breach
Am I trolling doing this? It saves so many binds
- Tea is 0% troll, thats optimal
- Symbols is 30% troll, during your shadow blades you ideally want to use them seperately
- Trinket is 100% troll, it should be macroed to Shadow Blades
formal viper
- Tea is 0% troll, thats optimal
- Symbols is 30% troll, during your shadow blad...
Could you explain that second part please 😄
slender totem
if youre in dance
ohhh so never ss? even in big aoe?
hazy breach
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
formal viper
ahhh okay that makes sense
short radish
ohhh so never ss? even in big aoe?
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
short radish
point 2 is the only time you really want to ss
my feelycraft also says pressing it first global in dance with TFD says its good
slender totem
!coup
ahh okey thats so smart, idk if my WA tracks the 4 set procc
i guess its just if i dump 2 coup hits and it comes up again thats where i ss?
cuz thats prob the procc
hazy breach
If you press coup
And you can press coup again
Then you have the 4p, your WAs should show that since its the same thing as regular coup
slender totem
i hear a sound
i think
okey ty
no wait the sound i hear is only if it doesnt consume cp
sry im new to rogue
i get it tho
alpine wraith
coup is quite interesting it can recoup cps from shadowcraft on any hit
so as you use it 0.4 and 1 sec in
lament hearth
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
undone mesa
with should use prism with SB always?
dusk stone
No
tepid trellis
playing 1 on-use you can macro it to blades
playing 2x on-use you wanna alternate so you can do 18 prism stack bursts
dusk stone
You 18 stack with 1 on use as well
Just have a macro for your sb stuff and a modifier for prism
lilac stag
not nearly as much of a reason
Unless you know you’ve got a reason to do so at 3 minutes
dusk stone
There are mobs I do not want to prism
Count too low but also needs flag
Prism is lossless
tepid trellis
the default is to use it with every blades
undone mesa
the better way to use it is with 2on use?
lilac stag
and at some point you over hold it, lose casts and diminish its value.
lilac stag
cds in keys especially are more about quantity.
tepid trellis
the better way to use it is with 2on use?
m+ 2x on-use is quite good, for raid unless certain timers 1x on-use is better
2x on-use being prism + forge
not anything else
dusk stone
There's like a 3 or 4 mob pack before boss 1 on db
undone mesa
k ty!!
lilac stag
and you keep holding it and waste it vs sending it every blades
dusk stone
I get the argument but it hasn't been more than an I was just bad type of thing
chrome palm
i take it back salad man was right again
lilac stag
Holding CDs is what makes for bad sub rogues
tepid trellis
who is salad man
chrome palm
the russian sub otp
tepid trellis
damn he just like me frfr
but russian
and not a raccoon
but other than that he just like me
frfr
chrome palm
spot the difference
swift tinsel
its true I seent it
lilac stag
No way salad man is eating trash lettuce. Raccoon 100% eating trash lettuce
potent echo
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
ebon geode
!sheet
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
dusk stone
The secret forbidden sub dps rotation
civic swallow
Sorta a weird question, but what tanks have fellow rogues enjoyed playing? Want to get one going as an alt later in the week after my rogue is set
steel jolt
i like prot warrior
civic swallow
Nice, that's one ive frequented playing as well
steel jolt
probably worth checking out brewmaster too
high crow
!wa
wicked joltBOT
tribal blade
does anyone have the WA that assigns your focus interrupt in keys to a marker
short radish
Sorta a weird question, but what tanks have fellow rogues enjoyed playing? Want ...
prot paladin is just an outlaw rogue that can tank
alpine wraith
bear is also mindless
if you really like to spam gcds
and if you like to do BIG DAM
prot warr
this silly goobers doing 5-6m overalls
serene notch
please blizzard...lets us stay good for this entire patch
spiral needle
ranged far too strong for blizzard to care about sub being good melee
void needle
and if you like to do BIG DAM
guardian does big dam too. You just have to play druid of the claw instead of elunes chosen. Elunes chosen give you survivability for free, while dotc feels far more deliberate more like managing rage for defense/offense similar to warrior imo
alpine wraith
i have never seen a druid do more than 4m overall as tank
but also druids are rare
i do know monk can also do crazy numbers but same almost never see them
winter ice
23 keys this week trying to get gloves/boots
Me still with two haste rings on
night sparrow
Saw prio ring drop 3 times "I dont need but cant trade sorry"
stiff stirrup
does Meld-> stealth spam not work if there are any bleeds up?
night sparrow
It does, sometimes
while melding it's a mixed of dmg taken, dmg done, healing received by your healer who's on fight, spaghetti code, worl hunger and Eipstein Files
so sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
stiff stirrup
aight back to blood elf, this is too rng
night sparrow
not really useful on sub anyway. I'd say I get it 2/3 of the time as sin
always popping it before vanish because xdd
stiff stirrup
it never worked if DS mark is up for assa tho thats for sure
vernal drift
Can anyone sent a detailed overall dmg breakdown from a dung? (Key range 11 or higher)
short radish
Can anyone sent a detailed overall dmg breakdown from a dung? (Key range 11 or ...
cant you find this on wclogs yourself?
vernal drift
U got a point 😝
short radish
void needle
i have never seen a druid do more than 4m overall as tank
I don't think I've seen a druid of the claw guardian at all
But the dps difference between dotc and elunes is absolutely massive
They do about the same amount as prot warriors
More than even shadowpan monks
You can tell they're sweaty druid of the claw players because they constantly catweave XD
zenith hollow
for 2x on use is there a good rule to follow lily/netherprism?
clever delta
so how do we feel about that double on use in keys?
i was doing great dmg but sometimes its weird when cds are delayed
shell willow
!wa
wicked joltBOT
keen patrol
Why is sub so high in the Tier lists?
hollow spear
Because we paid the tier list makers off
clever delta
ppl refuse to play sub
vestal escarp
And crazy sustained
icy mulch
Sub got insane on demand burst/prio
keen patrol
if im in shadow dance i dont use Shuriken storm right?
icy mulch
Pretty much
keen patrol
and i only spend on Black powder and Secret technique on cd
zenith hollow
first use is lily, second is netherprism
2nd use being on next flag?
icy mulch
and i only spend on Black powder and Secret technique on cd
Coup over bp if it’s up
keen patrol
what is fw
icy mulch
Find weakness
jagged flicker
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
polar cypress
I crafted a weapon + bracer for Assa, am I cooked if I wanna swap to sub?
wild hornet
not really
wild hornet
dagger users, sorta similar stat weights
steel zinc
If you have to ask that question 2nd stats is the last thing to worry about
Also 2nd are overrated
chrome fern
for sin maybe
proven plover
I crafted a weapon + bracer for Assa, am I cooked if I wanna swap to sub?
Embelishments are overrated. Secondaries are kinda big atm
proven plover
Assa wants some haste especially for m+ tho so not completely same weights. Personally i just swap rings & trinkets for haste on assa and versa on sub and leave the rest be
chrome fern
both specs are crit mastery tho
dreamy badger
2nd use being on next flag?
yes
lusty epoch
I'm trying to make a WA to track the buff timer between first and second coup, but there seem to be an issue with the progress bar.
The text timer works but the progress bar never fills up all the way. Sometimes it fills up halfway and sometimes not at all. Anyone know why?
proven plover
both specs are crit mastery tho
Not completely, its just fatebound assa that wants Lots of crit, deathstalker aoe wants haste mastery Mostly, while versa is not as great for both as for both sub aoe and st builds
Sub wants Lots of versa as Well as mastery
lusty epoch
i just used a trigger -> aura -> name: escalating blade
Maybe i need to do something more than this?
chrome fern
Not completely, its just fatebound assa that wants Lots of crit, deathstalker ao...
i mean yeah, but also like if you are multi speccing, it's pretty much fatebound or sub
chrome fern
i've not began min maxing my gear, so crit is currently my lowest stat
just been chasing ilvl
plush totem
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
dreamy badger
2nd use being on next flag?
maybe lily on first and second and prism on 3 minutes is better, not sure about that
could be
also could be changing depending on fight i guess
chrome fern
to save me the time trial and error, what cd on flag are you guys using as a marker to not dance
proven plover
maybe lily on first and second and prism on 3 minutes is better, not sure about ...
imo stacking prism is only really benefitial if there is anything worth having more stacks for like an amp or higher mob count than on previous uses you'd have without holding
also having lily as 2nd on use to prism is not really a big upgrade since you could have just used prism anyway. it would maybe only be better on short fights where you'd have a lily on pullcds and prism on the others since prism wouldnt be stacked on pull
what makes having forge better is that you'd have more benefit from alternating between the 2 since forge is 2 mins and higher stats from the effect
so you can use prism on 2nd set while forge is still on cd
dreamy badger
yea you lose massive lily value playing double on use
proven plover
ye lily is only really good because its guaranteed up every flag, the stat bonus from the on use is pretty low
dreamy badger
might as well play a passive trinket
zenith hollow
sim said 2x on use is giga bis so wanna know timings
dreamy badger
better than antenna?
proven plover
well check the cast sequence if the bot wants you to use both, you'll see how it uses them
proven plover
better than antenna?
he probably means from the trinkets he currently has
dreamy badger
i see
proven plover
man it would be nice if embelishments would be swappable like a gem or the tinker slot
so when crafting you'd craft a slot for them on the item so that you'd be able to freely rotate them afterwards
vale pine
agree, recrafting adds more friction
proven plover
gz
short radish
no more pvp trinket
proven plover
@vale pine is there any gain from holding unseen blade procs when holding coup for flag? or is that an overcook
tacit maple
doesn't lily kinda suck? or I guess its the best M+ option
short radish
doesn't lily kinda suck? or I guess its the best M+ option
better than pvp badge
lucid jackal
so when crafting you'd craft a slot for them on the item so that you'd be able t...
I Agree. Would not be surprised at a crafting overhaul next expac in regards to how sparks and embellishments work
plain creek
2 lilys dropped and none of them needed
I got mine before season started, from m0 
short radish
hero track
chrome fern
why not fill vault
short radish
and i also didnt have a 701 trinket
short radish
2s are champ track as well
plain creek
Do u myth raid?
chrome fern
6+ or you're trolling
short radish
yeah
plain creek
Then why xd
lucid jackal
..?
plain creek
Isnt the main conensus to upgrade only to 704
lucid jackal
Just get mythic prism 
chrome fern
i did a key with some of your guildies
plain creek
So u dont waste gilded
plain creek
True
short radish
then free ilvl upgrade
lucid jackal
Having shit on hero track lets u upgrade it for when u run out of upgrades
also some trinkets r worth spending guilded on
short radish
^
lucid jackal
Not any of the dungeons ones but
In previous seasons, and other specs its been the case
Prism and antenna are so OP which makes it hard to spend it on other dungeon trinkets but yeh
lucid jackal
Yeah just get it
short radish
yeah but everyone and their mother wants the trinket
chrome fern
snatched prism on normal week 1
chrome fern
rough
short radish
our guilds acutally so cursed for trinkets
plain creek
We had 2 drop at the same time
short radish
we didnt get a single HoC until w5
plain creek
In a normal
short radish
we've gotten only one forgeweaver trinket
plain creek
Forgeweaver we got 1 nm and 1 hc i think
wary plover
!up
wicked joltBOT
chrome fern
we're yet to kill forgeweaver on hc, should get it monday, group was wiping at 4% on wednesday
short radish
could be worse, could still be progging loomi
clever delta
I got prism from my TW cache <:garf:1320173032743899157>
i got forge, otherwise i would be forgeless 🙂
chrome fern
could be worse, could still be progging loomi
how?
i mean plexus was more of a challenge
short radish
just RWFL things
chrome fern
dusk stone
why is it a meme that as a patch goes on sub gets worse? does it have anything to do with stat weight scaling? i was looking at my dh friends stat weights and he gets more from stats and such as slightly less ilvl
chrome fern
probably more likely that fight timers get lower, so it naturalises sin to end the fight on good timings?
fierce minnow
dont look at statweights...
that shit changes every patch and scaling doesnt exist
dusk stone
well i wasn't looking at them, i was asking if its relevent at all
dusk stone
is there any particular reason for that? it seems like it would have a lot to do with class performance
fierce minnow
why does it matter that sub gains X dps per statpoint over 5 minutes when it gains XXXXX dps per statpoint over 20 seconds?
Sub does 1 thing the best of all classes and specs in the game
dusk stone
i mean were not talking about external factors atm tho
fierce minnow
annihilate in damage amps
dusk stone
what im wondering is if we just straight up intitially dont scale as well as other classes before the other class variables come into play
i mean if my dh friends stat scaling is 50% better
fierce minnow
50% better at what exactly
dusk stone
more damage per point
fierce minnow
yeah i understand what you are saying, but i just told you that simming stat weights is gimmicky at best
how about you sim your characters for a specific piece of gear and change the ilvl by 50
dusk stone
im not sure about gimmicky but not being reliable would be accurate
chrome fern
the only stat weight that matters is weapon dps
dusk stone
yeah his weapon dps scaling is better too by 10%
fierce minnow
so i guess demon hunter > rogue
dusk stone
the charts reflect that
correlation isnt causation though, and while that is a true thing i just wonder how related it is
haughty rose
!up
wicked joltBOT
fierce minnow
yeah well simcraft has demon hunter at 5,6-5,7m dps and sub at 5,2m
so its natural that the same gear yields higher sim values on dh
dusk stone
stat weights between classes is uncomparable
why specically though, are they completely unrelated or is it just because there are external factors
chrome fern
a spells damage is made up of combo's of stat weights and attack power, they change the coefficients to balance
dusk stone
are stat weights one thing they change when they do aura buffs?
chrome fern
so you could double the attack power on a class, but the balance team will just make that coefficient on the spell half
fierce minnow
are stat weights one thing they change when they do aura buffs?
stat weights dont exist
chrome fern
not an actual example, but you can gather how the classes arent normalised to each other
chrome fern
on top of this, mastery is a good example, and you can look at it between specs even on rogue, sub just has a higher inherent mastery % compared to sin, even with the same total
fierce minnow
thats not really related to that "issue"
our friend just wants to compare apples to oranges
and wonders why apples scale better than oranges
fierce minnow
you asked if its relevant info, i told you its not.
fierce minnow
i could summon whispyr who would love to talk about scaling
but that would incinerate this channel
tepid trellis
some classes do have better "stat scaling" but it never matters cuz blizzard funnily enough balance the game semi regularly, if they never did then yeah the class would "scale" bad some classes just have internal factors that makes them like secondaries more
fierce minnow
tepid trellis
like certain talents the scale with haste etc.
there are just waaaaay to many factors in a game like wow for stat scaling to matter
fierce minnow
scaling would only exist if blizzard suddenly decides that there will be no more balancing whatsoever and just ups the itemlvl each month
fair anchor
Is the Tea/CB choice in keys pure preference ? or it depends if you want more AoE of ST ?
chrome fern
i wish they never downscaled haste on dh, just let me cdr my blade dance to 0
tepid trellis
thne you would have enhances lava lash
at certain haste levels
where you just spam lash
limpid sage
but that has nothing to do with scaling
scaling is a part of balancing tbf
tribal blade
Is the Tea/CB choice in keys pure preference ? or it depends if you want more Ao...
main thing is sectec is soft capped at 5, so getting the mast from tea during dances is more dps
tepid trellis
Is the Tea/CB choice in keys pure preference ? or it depends if you want more Ao...
CB more boss dmg Tea more AoE. its about 1% in each direction
fierce minnow
scaling is a part of balancing tbf
balancing negates scaling, hence scaling doesnt exist for us in an isolated environment that we call "patch"
fair anchor
ok cheers
fierce minnow
but yes, if you take anecdotal evidence from mop remix... demon hunters scale pretty good with insane amounts of stats
tepid trellis
or locks
limpid sage
balancing negates scaling, hence scaling doesnt exist for us in an isolated envi...
can you explain this - I don't quite get what you're saying
tribal blade
100% crit goes insanely hard on dh
limpid sage
coffee not activated yet
fierce minnow
can you explain this - I don't quite get what you're saying
tepid trellis
when a class goes too crazy
limpid sage
oh that's what you mean
tepid trellis
it gets the nerf bat
fierce minnow
oh that's what you mean
since blizzard constantly rebalances as the time goes on, scaling doesnt exist in our world
tepid trellis
so its better "stat scaling" did not matter
fierce minnow
it only does in miniscule amounts in our reality
limpid sage
yeah makes sense
fierce minnow
each patch has a very narrow range of itemlvl
chrome fern
how much unscaled haste would be needed to make rupture the best sub dps button
fierce minnow
and within that itemlvl range
you dont scale
you just grow a bit stronger
and next patch you will be reigned in again
so its really just apples to oranges
tepid trellis
not alot
fierce minnow
the only thing that matters is how does a spec perform in this current moment in time
limpid sage
I do wish they'd implement some haste scaling to our kit though
chrome fern
the only thing that matters is how does a spec perform in this current moment in...
and transmog
fierce minnow
I do wish they'd implement some haste scaling to our kit though
shadowtechnique says hello
dusk stone
some classes do have better "stat scaling" but it never matters cuz blizzard fun...
i see, thank you
limpid sage
shadowtechnique says hello
as the only thing in our kit ye xd
tepid trellis
I do wish they'd implement some haste scaling to our kit though
i really dont
cuz they will mess it up
fierce minnow
as the only thing in our kit ye xd
well its a very powerful ability, ofc it doesnt scale better than finisher damage or versa
tepid trellis
and its gonna end up like outlaw
chrome fern
as the only thing in our kit ye xd
rupture tick rate, very quietly says hello
limpid sage
rupture tick rate, very quietly says hello
ok i concede
fierce minnow
also, enjoy having versa as your go to stat... makes your life alot safer
chrome fern
pi is the reason i dont get 100's. i promise
limpid sage
state of unholy dk
