honest yacht
Lol my stats are so cooked rn while gearing up.
Currently I sim 2.1 as sub and 2.6 as sin and outlaw in ST 😂
#subtlety
sour sun
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
frosty holly
!guides
strange chasm
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tribal blade
well looks like it's this bs again
short radish
well looks like it's this bs again
Brother it has been 2 days
warm marlin
well looks like it's this bs again
they got you too eh
sub seemed good on nexus king
timings are alright
at least with current gear
hollow spear
Eventuelly, Prophet has to hand in his blue name
tepid trellis
sub seemed good on nexus king
thats currently the only fight i think Sub could be played over assa
maybe soulhunters it could be somewhat competitive as well
lusty root
well looks like it's this bs again
fake news
vale pine
!tier
wicked joltBOT
Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.
tribal blade
sub seemed good on nexus king
my guild just started on heroic, we'll see how it goes for that fight
would like to play sub on it, would be tight
alpine wraith
i did fine on hc for the most part
we cleared until fractilius
only fights i didnt do super well were when i messed up timings
but still it will be cursed i have no prism or tier
rocky ocean
tight sparrow
is it worth to remove 4 old set to get new 2 set like 2-2
tepid trellis
yes
jagged rover
nexus-king felt really good, just need to send cds immediately and never delay them at all
alpine wraith
i actually messed nexus king we didnt get to the add phase
and i didnt have cds for the amp on the dragon
because he died too fast on normal
shy scarab
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
bleak night
yeah the same thing happened to me lmao
watched the whole amp phase go by just backstabbing
warm marlin
nexus-king felt really good, just need to send cds immediately and never delay t...
main problem is that at least for our group damage amp was starting consistently at 4:15 to 4:20
so even sending on cd
you miss a good part of the amp
short radish
same same as well on nexus 
we didnt get add phase
and dragon spawned
so just sent nto dragon
and then when my cds finished
the amp started
and i was drinking backstab soup
keen dome
tasty tasty backstab soup
I wasn't doing that because I'd fucked my cooldowns up due to having to do RW's mid-fight so had my burst ready 
weak magnet
Somebody knows what this arcane shit is ?
shadow lance
Healer cloak shield
warm marlin
we didnt get add phase
for heroic
normal ya
i held on normal
huge backstab soup time
but felt wrong to hold for 1min20 on heroic
haughty mural
I wasn't doing that because I'd fucked my cooldowns up due to having to do RW's ...
Id love to join ur pugs one day 
keen dome
Yesterday's was just depressing on Dimensius and the first two bosses.
The rest we didn't replace a single person. Just solid the whole time.
haughty mural
huge backstab soup time
Same - in the I thought it was worth it - I did huge on dragon
haughty mural
The rest we didn't replace a single person. Just solid the whole time.
That’s crazy good for a day 1 pug
keen dome
Only on normal though.
But they did a really good job on Boss 3 to Boss 7. We only had one wipe on nexus-king 'cos "Soak the tank soak" is too complex for some people. Also people don't like understanding "Group 1 + 3 go left on the moon mark. 2 + 4 go right on the star marker" and then ignored me RWing it as ti happened.
Like four people on the wrong sides.
bleak night
im gonna make an eu account just to join one of your pugs
and probably ruin it because i'll have 400 ping
keen dome
I had a few people say I was the best pug raid lead ever, but then I think they changed their tone when I said everybody was stupid and making me sad.
haughty mural
Lmao
keen dome
Also one of our tanks would NOT understand where to stand on Dimensius and kept trolling us on pull. Even after I told him probably five times to not stack on the add and to be closer to middle / away from the groups. Just refused to change.
Multiple P1 wipes 'cos he fucked off to right side with the tank slam and killed half the raid stacked there
haughty mural
Man I didn’t get a single item out of normal besides useless daggers unforch
keen dome
I got boots and moe importantly, the hearthstone
haughty mural
Also one of our tanks would NOT understand where to stand on Dimensius and kept ...
I think this guy will be a nightmare to rl in pugs
keen dome
It's frustrating 'cos he's easy as hell on normal
maiden oar
what does heroic add
haughty mural
*in pugs
maiden oar
it looked like the same fight on stream but i could be missing something
keen dome
We had this really good DH tank, just super good. During Soul hunters, he tanked one of the bosses away for like 30s while it was on 1% to stop it dying. Just really above and beyond pug tanking
haughty mural
I got boots and moe importantly, the hearthstone
Somehow our ww got „funneled“ the boots and 2 token
keen dome
rip
haughty mural
keen dome
One of the problems in a pug is you very often have people who roll need on everything
haughty mural
I just passed on antenna
keen dome
We had a monk healer win an offhand and a staff and some other weapon lol
haughty mural
One of the problems in a pug is you very often have people who roll need on *eve...
True
Ya that’s sad
keen dome
I'm pretty hesitant to kick people for it because loot drama is so frustrating.
And they might have a good reason
haughty mural
I probably would ngl
keen dome
I feel it's something Blizz need to solve, rather than something pug raid leads need to police.
haughty mural
But I’m not a professional pug rl
keen dome
I'm very unprofessional, I sometimes call people stupid
haughty mural
I feel it's something Blizz need to solve, rather than something pug raid leads ...
What could they do ?
keen dome
I have no idea, really. iLevel restrictions on rolling? It's basically an impossible thing to solve 'cos of how loot works.
At least they did it for tier I think
rapid oasis
i think personal loot as default for pugging isn't the worst idea
haughty mural
I don’t know
rapid oasis
make it possible to not have it default to that if you have enough ppl in 1 guild, but personal loot for pugging solves a lot of those issues, no?
limpid sage
ye should really just be personal loot outside of guild environment
keen dome
Nah, I dislike personal loot. It feels bad and it's not fun seeing no items drop.
It's a shit system for the feel of looting a boss.
It'd make sense in LFR. in N+, nah, it's just not fun.
It inherently feels like less loot (even if it isn't) and you have less player agency over it, so it's just a worse experience.
mighty citrus
team was there a symbols reminder weakaura, so i dont forget to use it before the fight?
rapid oasis
but you wont have loot drama in pugged runs
keen dome
The change to tier tokens was the better approach to solving it.
keen dome
does 8 bountiful delve award gilded crests?
T11 for gilded.
keen dome
People would win an item via PL and someone else would get pissy they got it.
rapid oasis
yea, i guess theres no pleasing everyone
keen dome
In fact, PL makes it worse because the rolling is behind the scenes. So it feels extremely arbitary to people.
Being able to push the roll button and see the loot is better, evne if it's the same principle
Gotta think of the psyhcology of it
Game rolls for me and decides without me seeing - arbitary, random, unfair
I push button and game rolls for me and decides with me seeing - agency, chance, fair(er)
It's part of why I think Blizz went back to it 'cos it's just a better system for the feel of it even if it still has issues.
You currenlty can't roll need on some stuff if you have a higher ilevel equipped. Tier I know. Trinkets too if it's the same one? People get around it by putting on or deleting their better one, rolling need then trying to sell it
But this'd happen in PL if they could trade it and won so it's basically just a flaw of the system and I dunno how you solve it 'cos people gonna people.
rapid oasis
You currenlty can't roll need on some stuff if you have a higher ilevel equipped...
thats such scummy behavior lmao
keen dome
It is and I would immediately kick someone for doing it haha
rapid oasis
i know you can roll for duplicate trinkets if the new drop has terts attached to it
keen dome
Yeah, I believe so
spring elm
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
thorn oxide
!sims
wicked joltBOT
Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
shrewd monolith
!wa
wicked joltBOT
wet idol
!gear
wicked joltBOT
elder isle
about how many ilvls should i go for before i drop season 2 4piece? or should i hold it until i have season 3 2 piece?
tepid trellis
hold until season 3 2p
alpine wraith
after breaking old 4 set you can break for ilvl
spring elm
This shuriken storm stuff might be the last straw for me with sub why do they have to make it so convuluted. Just make it fun like in legion or dflight
dry plank
Playing sub in raid = trolling? I’m not best rogue in the world but my 80-90 log beat people with 29, 44 logs
haughty mural
We also had minmax things in legion and dragonflight
spring elm
Yeah but it was intuitive and not as many different things
haughty mural
Was it though?
spring elm
Yes it was we had less buttons to press and it was common sense things you could learn. Keeping track of a small debuff for your 4pc is insane
winter elbow
!tea
wicked joltBOT
Thistle tea use:
It is recommended to macro Thistle Tea with Shadow Dance like this:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```And you can't macro anything bc of micro situations
bleak night
theres definitely a lot of weird bloat that doesnt have to exist
like fazed for trickster
why does trickster need a random debuff
keen dome
Because it's tricking us
spring elm
why does trickster need a random debuff
its my least favorite thing for sure
There's the right amount of min maxing to keep it interesting then there's too much that it's overwhelming. Its too much for me to keep track of right now anyway for it to be fun
keen dome
FW is just bad
tribal blade
@vale pine might be worth adding /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null to the tea macro for spamming shenanigans
cursive vapor
if i have 2 cp's can I already use symbols + dance and sectec?
or is that damage loss
vale pine
<@194804407706189824> might be worth adding /castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, n...
oh ye, can do
tribal blade
oh ye, can do
messerknecht had the idea last week or so
spring elm
if i have 2 cp's can I already use symbols + dance and sectec?
you want at least 6 cps
tribal blade
if i have 2 cp's can I already use symbols + dance and sectec?
it's not like sin where you can send on low CP with FI up
follow the same finisher rules
spring elm
Is it fine to go into dance with full combo points
tribal blade
yeah that's fine
tight arch
jsut a question next reset is spark and not catalyst right
keen dome
Yep, unless we get a catalyst every week (which I doubt)
keen dome
Ye
keen dome
PvP trinket, woo. Now to decide on if I wanna spend runed or not..
tribal blade
PvP trinket, woo. Now to decide on if I wanna spend runed or not..
my RL set our runed crest rules as only upgrade 701 pieces
since that's what 10s drop
keen dome
Yeah
tribal blade
not sure if you're in 10s yet
keen dome
That's been my feeling as well. I'm not, and I'll prbably only do one 10 this week.
tribal blade
ahh gotcha
keen dome
But at the same time I don't feel like I need to spend them yet.
tribal blade
10s are actually pretty easy atm
keen dome
Yeah, the 7's I've done were super brainless minus incredibly laggy teleporting bear tanks.
tribal blade
i think it's a combo of everyone knowing all the dungeons and the tuning isn't too bad
keen dome
Also the cloak does SO MUCH damage
tribal blade
yeah it's not too shabby
keen dome
three DPS with that going off a lot is adding a lot of passive damage to keys
bleak night
it also helps that assa is so busted in keys it makes me look like a good player
keen dome
I'm gonna try to pug at least 4/8H this week, so I'll see where I am gearwise after that and send the runed before reset I guess
tribal blade
i might actually have a bias view because i've been doing em with sin yeah haha
so i mow everything down
tribal blade
i think it's worth it just to get keys done
keen dome
Doing like 4 - 5m overall in 7's and then a Sin rogue joins and does 8m+ and I just sit there going "come on man"
keen dome
Ye, just bleed DS right 'cos FB's aoe is doggy?
tribal blade
makes me sad because the keys i've done as sub have been so much fun
solemn lodge
whats the % upgrade for trickster tier from no piece to 2/4p
tribal blade
Ye, just bleed DS right 'cos FB's aoe is doggy?
yeah FB only for raid
tribal blade
yah prob
keen dome
I guess it doesn't matter
runic trail
I still need to learn how to fatebound because I've not touched it all expansion
keen dome
I have a myth signet anyway
tribal blade
I still need to learn how to fatebound because I've not touched it all expansion
it's not that bad
keen dome
I still need to learn how to fatebound because I've not touched it all expansion
push buttons, coins exist, coins do more damage than Sub rogue.
runic trail
Macro cold blood to kingsbane and then ???
bleak night
thats it yes
tribal blade
it sounds confusing, but when you learn how to use it it's essentially completely brain dead
bleak night
also press vanish there
keen dome
Am I right that bleed is basically 1:1 to how it was last season so you just stack bleeds, CT, DM, damage go brrrr,
tribal blade
shiv>deathmark>CB+KB>vanish
runic trail
and shiv before deathmark instead of after
Yeah that threw me
runic trail
I figured we'd vanish later for master assassin+ kingsbane ramp things
bleak night
assa was already not exactly what you would call complex in st
tribal blade
i think you need to be careful with how you use shivs because of the cdr
bleak night
and fb is like assa with head trauma
tribal blade
i think KBs between cds you only use 1 shiv
runic trail
Like I did no research I'm just winging shit rn
bleak night
yeah you only shiv second half of non dm kingsbanes
tribal blade
not 100% sure
bleak night
kind of like if you were dry shivving on deathstalker
keen dome
Every pull I did on ?? as FB made me sad 'cos it always had higher DPS than Sub lmao
tribal blade
yeah it's not hard to get used to
runic trail
I've not got 4 piece yet so I still have the 2 min CDs
tribal blade
Every pull I did on ?? as FB made me sad 'cos it always had higher DPS than Sub ...
yeah i did really high dmg as FB today in heroic
alpine wraith
just wait until we have the secret tech of double trink sub
keen dome
Ye I'll swap to Assa to get 2k + 10's done this week 'cos I can carry with it even if I play like a dumbass (always)
Sudden demise go brrrr
runic trail
Sudden demise my beloved. Half my fun in m+ is trying to unethically maximise demises
keen dome
Did a +2 and a +3 with a real good Assa on reset and SD was doing 20 - 25% of his overall
It was so funny
runic trail
Does this mean I sometimes send deathmark on bosses with 100 mil HP left? Yes
keen dome
Also double rogue key, my beloved
runic trail
Does this also give me a giga demise? Yes
limpid sage
how much does demise hit for typically
bleak night
depends entirely on how fast the mobs die and how much you cheese it
runic trail
depends entirely on how fast the mobs die and how much you cheese it
The answer is maximum cheese
bleak night
like you can vanish the back half of a pack to cheese out giga demise
runic trail
Always
keen dome
If you aren't cheesing it then are you even playing, smh
runic trail
I don't enjoy m+, I take my fun where I can find it
I liked my 2 months of never touching m+, good times
heady summit
Can someone explain to me, why is the subtlety taking more critical strike?
tribal blade
Can someone explain to me, why is the subtlety taking more critical strike?
crit is a good stat
bleak night
remember to do lfr with all alts for chance of warbound tier
more importantly remember to do lfr with all alts for chances at the cosmetic back from soulbinder
limpid sage
Can someone explain to me, why is the subtlety taking more critical strike?
main reason is probably because M+ build doesn't go Cold Blood anymore
or the rotten
limpid sage
yeah was fine before as well
but if there has been a shift to more crit, those 2 are probably the culprits
tribal blade
honestly makes gearing sub a lot less painful when crit is on the table too
i can dual spec in peace
warm marlin
especially since fb assa doesnt want haste as much
can very easily swap between the 2
warm marlin
assa does not seem very balance in keys
tribal blade
nah it's pretty busted atm lol
warm marlin
my guild members are here already 4p and crafted a mainhand and im gapping them with 2p and a 704 mainhand 💀
heady summit
Nobody says that CS is a bad stat, I just find it surprising that there are RS with 31% of CS.
tribal blade
i've been telling pug tanks "let me get restealths between every pack"
because when sin is doing this much overall
warm marlin
i feel like you have infinite vanish in 10s
tribal blade
it's worth waiting a bit
warm marlin
idk
tribal blade
yeah i usually end up capping on vanish charges when i get restealths
limpid sage
Nobody says that CS is a bad stat, I just find it surprising that there are RS w...
another thing that attributes to it is prob also that they're just equipping whatever pieces they're given
tribal blade
but still makes me happy
warm marlin
i have so many ive been sending to refresh imp garr like 20s into the pack
cursive vapor
!wa
wicked joltBOT
tidal chasm
Anyone know proc rate on the netherprism roughly
dusk stone
so how do i do this tazavesh dungeon thing? there's one portal and its somehow two dungeons?
bleak night
its a megadungeon thats split into 2 wings for m+
so you either run the whole thing normally or put in a key and it does whichever wing the key is for
or to do hard mode talk to some dude at the entrance
bleak night
ive actually somehow managed to not do either wing of taz yet this season
so no idea what its like currently
alpine wraith
Anyone know proc rate on the netherprism roughly
we proc it quite consistently because of poisons
every 10 secs
mortal hamlet
hey just wanted to ask why do we blac powder on less targets iwth new tier set?
dusk stone
its just stronger this patch
alpine wraith
because for some reason an aoe ability crits for 6m
even on St
so even with less targets and even if they dont have FW sometimes
you just ruip it
mortal hamlet
i see
okay thanks!
so how many times do you shurkian storm in dance to apply find weakness
only once right
alpine wraith
you strike in dance
the fw come mostly from before going into dance
or when you use it between coups
you can still use 1 stab as first builder but it is not as bit
mighty citrus
!fibre
haughty mural
the fw come mostly from before going into dance
Or you play rotten
haughty mural
Still not even close to what assa can do
mighty citrus
!gear
wicked joltBOT
haughty mural
Outlaws are also in some of the highest keys right now
dusk stone
ok yeah i really hate streets
my group was super bad but also every mob interrupts your cds it feels like
vestal escarp
streets without acro 
dusk stone
its just like every mob was one that had a white circle i couldn't dps at the edge of, and conspicuously happens as i press cds
limpid sage
its just like every mob was one that had a white circle i couldn't dps at the ed...
how I feel about half of the bosses in the raid
for some reason couldn't attack Fractillus for half of my opener
dusk stone
i think its bugged too
frequently so far i have been in stealth but couldnt use strike
dry plank
Guys do you have lag issues in new raid? Hard to press buttons and character does not react immediately?
tight arch
Is sub or assa the play in the new raid our guild is starting today and I was wondering towards what spec should I ench etc
short radish
how I feel about half of the bosses in the raid
FUCK DIMENSIUS
HOW IS THE BOSS SO FUCKING BIG
AND HIS HIT BOX SO SMALL
shut ridge
actually so tilting
hiding in the circle that just so happens to be out of range? 
move half a step back? out of range
limpid sage
idk if it's because they place the hitbox in the middle of him and it doesn't extend down enough or something
cloud rover
AND HIS HIT BOX SO SMALL
Thats the case for a lot of things tbh
Like Gallywix could be bhit from 500 Yards away
Last Boss Eco-Dome im scared to melee him while he does is ultimate phase
because the two Frontals arent clear and melee range is like -2
honest dome
anyone got soleahs trinket string to sim with?
jaunty heath
lilac stag
Is sub or assa the play in the new raid our guild is starting today and I was wo...
Whatever you’re comfortable on. ATM assa dominating logs
keen dome
The spec you are most comfortable on, and most enjoy, is always the right choice unless you are in a very, very, very high content enviroment where the damage profile difference will matter
lilac stag
or you’re fighting for a roster spot. 
tight arch
ye thats what I wanted to say we have 2 rogs and prob only 1 if even that will be in myth
😄
lilac stag
idk assa is good
limpid sage
ye thats what I wanted to say we have 2 rogs and prob only 1 if even that will b...
tell them that atrophic poison stacks
alpine wraith
dont worry assa will join us in being top 10 soon enough when the real specs get gear
keen dome
How the hell is the new key abandon system meant to work
there's no option to start a vote..
alpine wraith
but at least in our raids we can be there
tight arch
there's no option to start a vote..
ye our whole grp was searching for it until we just decided to left xd so we are waiting for leaver mark 😄
keen dome
Maybe it's only active on higher keys
Good job making it as confusing as possible Blizz
plucky helm
Guys, maybe a stupid question, but if I played assa for 2seasons and managed to clear M+12 and full HC raid + couple bosses from myth. Do you think I'm ready for sub? 🤣 sub really appeals to me, but not sure how difficult it is compared to assa 😃
keen dome
If you wanna play it, play it
alpine wraith
sub is not hard just complicated you can read the guides or watch my videos or people play
rn assa is very good too
cursive vapor
Guys, maybe a stupid question, but if I played assa for 2seasons and managed to ...
Go for it! Learn from guides and lets go
runic trail
and then this one is so small
I hate it, let me stab from slightly further away please
short radish
I hate it, let me stab from slightly further away please
the worst part is that
crystal bone
2pc 2pc acquired boys
short radish
his range gets smaller the further away from the middle you go
crystal bone
praying for raid finder tier legs or hands and then i can get 4 pc before i raid tomorrow kek
runic trail
2pc 2pc acquired boys
Hell yeah. I could 2pc now but I have 2 hero tier sets in the vault and I know as soon as I pick one I'm going to get hero track catalyst fodder for that slot
runic trail
his range gets smaller the further away from the middle you go
Hopefully they tweak the hitbox a bit
runic trail
I need to go back to the m+ mines but I don't have it in me 
fallen crescent
!gear
wicked joltBOT
void ocean
did anyone use that Edict from ara-ara
how does it work for melee, is it instant mastery buff?
hazy breach
Nop, works the same regardless
Just insanely hard to spot and get the mastery
Not particularly good
void ocean
i mean, since we r melee id expect the orb to be under our feet, no?
haughty mural
In front of you
hazy breach
Its not really an orb
haughty mural
short radish
fuck salad man loot
keen dome
It's time for the three axe, one head, four feet spec
short radish
no dagger :<
lilac stag
Was referring to m+
It’s all the same at this point.
jagged perch
fuck salad man loot
average salad bar loot
lone linden
would you guys spend both your catalyst charges this week if it meant you could get 4 set?
short radish
yes
vale pine
the trinket seems fine
keen dome
Why ass so strong. 
crystal bone
ass nerf soon dont worry
keen dome
Eh, they can wait until next week.
pastel rampart
is good
haughty mural
It’s all the same at this point. <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
You are so real for that
keen dome
I don't think they'll nerf it.
pastel rampart
when arcane get nerf... frost fire also get buff...
mayhaps assa nerf.... sub buff....
👀
hazy breach
Theyll likely fix singular focus working with amps
errant ferry
This man trying to start a civil war
crystal bone
i think when every1 gets 20 ilvls and 4pc
it will look a bit more balanced
mayhaps
but i still see sin being strong even after that
hazy breach
Didnt seem so on ptr
crystal bone
in keys anyway
pastel rampart
Dont call for nerfs for our red brothers <:sitmadge:1098972930605588491>
ok ok i will make peace with assa friends... but i not talking to the outlaw ones
keen dome
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4CMYzwCMDFU
I think they should buff it.
At the same time, they should buff BP.
crystal bone
also rogues are crafting 720 mainhands
idk what other specs are doing that
not casters?
crystal bone
yea
haughty mural
Some of them craft off hands 
alpine wraith
yea casters craft off hand
alpine wraith
yea so this week they can use the cool weapon that gives like 300k dps
haughty mural
They cope for the cantrip
keen dome
what is that
like a dagger, but not as cool
crystal bone
but yea something to consider
i have my 720 mainhand cranking already
every1 else still got that 684 wep
or hero at best
keen dome
I'm already at my peak as Sub. It's all downhill from here
alpine wraith
i didnt cata 2 set yet im coping by doing LFR with all my alts
surely i get some warbound tier
tribal blade
i was out parsing most of my guildies in normal as sub and middle of the pack on some fights
it's crazy having an orange parse and having all these purple parses above you
crystal bone
I'm already at my peak as Sub. It's all downhill from here
u have 4 pc??
keen dome
no, 720 dagger
tribal blade
granted that was w/o 4pc yet
crystal bone
oh
keen dome
2p atm
tribal blade
i got 4pc day one 🙂
crystal bone
4pc should be free orange parse this week
wouldnt it?
like if i can get it before raid tomorrow
tribal blade
i got all those orange parses w/o 4pc
keen dome
tribal blade
but playing sin in heroic
keen dome
Almost all of mine are blue from normal, haha
tribal blade
because it's just too good to pass up
mint swift
Started playing with a sub rogue
Is evic really that shit in m+ at the moment
lilac stag
in keys anyway
Honestly. No one really cares about strength in keys unless you’re pushing top end. Depression in raid will hit more.
tribal blade
sub with 4pc felt quite good in keys
lilac stag
and then you played assa
tribal blade
lol yeah
tribal blade
you would be crazy not to play sin in keys atm
mint swift
Btw graham
tribal blade
YO
keen dome
It really is incredibly strong
mint swift
did you ever complete that pet battle pvp thing
tribal blade
haha nah not yet
merry agate
you would be crazy not to play sin in keys atm
Sadly true 
mint swift
like ouy of everything
mint swift
Tbf
Friend that is playing sub rogue is pumping, but as you guys are saying
keen dome
Go for pet battle title.
mint swift
assa would just be better
BM feels great right now but omg
It's so clear that some don't know how to spread DoTs
keen dome
I tend to be doing 500 - 1m+ on my overall as Assa, while played badly, than I do as Sub atm.
mint swift
Im hyped af for assa FB ST tho
tribal blade
i was super casual during mop so i did a lot of pet battling and collecting
and now i have a big collection
btw why the hell is there no pet battle stuff in the new zone
so weird
keen dome
It's a dead planet
tribal blade
i don't remember the last time a new zone had almost no pet battle stuff
keen dome
and there's some pet stuff in the eco dome but yeah, it's weird
keen dome
Nah there's pets to collect, just not in the open world
tribal blade
well i think you can get pets from rares, but no capturing
merry agate
Sub a key here and there
But then its back to
gar gar rup rup zug zug 
keen dome
But I am sad there's no open world pet battles.
They've been walking them back slowly, and I do think they hit a better balance in DF / TWW overall to critter-to-pet but.
Where pets
tribal blade
i think sub with new 4pc is incredibly fun, looking forward to tuning so it's more playable
keen dome
Most likely busy working on Midnight's pet battle overhaul
alpine wraith
like sub is weird because in theory it can be good on some fights
keen dome
Which will make them mandatory content to engage with mythic raiding
vale pine
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4CMYzwCMDFU
i mean assa was insane for multiple patches now, so unsure if something changes
alpine wraith
but then aff locks and dks delete the adds
vale pine
it got even buffed this patch soo
alpine wraith
or vuln phases are not huge
or come in execute sometimes
so you end up just being worse than assa
crystal bone
i mean assa was insane for multiple patches now, so unsure if something changes
yea, also like what is the dps increase going from 684 to 720 MH
not many other classes are crafting their MH
tribal blade
it got even buffed this patch soo
yeah blizz has really been showing sin a lot of favor the past few seasons
crystal bone
atm
keen dome
yeah blizz has really been showing sin a lot of favor the past few seasons
Ye. It's interesting.
crystal bone
currently it just seems to be gapping every class
tribal blade
now that the FB tier set is working for sin it's really quite crazy
turns out reducing the cd on a spec's major cooldowns makes it really strong lol
alpine wraith
meanwhile in raid
have you seen soulhunters? XD
our locks were doing almost 7m dps
whole i was doing like 4.5m
tribal blade
oh yeah there's no shot melee is keeping up on that fight haha
unless you're a melee dot spec
crystal bone
yea 3 target cleave is a whole nother story
tribal blade
I FORGOT TO TALENT RS ON NORMAL
i was pissed
when i pressed rupture and saw only 1 go out
notlikethis
crystal bone
alpine wraith
happens
i did a 10 in raid talents
didnt even notice until i wanted to tornado
because tea is hidden kinda and CB i just use on second sec tech with a macrol
tribal blade
i wonder if there's a world in which you play DB on soul hunters
for big fat ruptures
hardy agate
!gear
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lilac stag
i think sub with new 4pc is incredibly fun, looking forward to tuning so it's mo...
You mean in 5 months?
keen dome
Nah, don't worry
We'll be really viable in 11.2.5.
In legion remix
Oh, also. As an FYI: don't put the new campfire background on. It seems to brick the game.
crystal bone
tribal blade
Oh, also. As an FYI: don't put the new campfire background on. It seems to brick...
oh yeah someone just linked that in my guild discord
keen dome
Yep
merry agate
In legion remix
Immunity to Fall Damage is back on the table bois!
Well be so back
keen dome
IT BETTER
If it doesn't I'm going to send a very upset emoji at Josh if i ever end up in a conversation with him
tribal blade
imagine we keep our talents ON TOP of artifact wep ON TOP of new remix power
merry agate
Casually jumping from atop nighthold after Guldan
Pure aura
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
haughty mural
Almost all of mine are blue from normal, haha
Got also a pink w/o tier
We are truly at our zenith with a 720 weap 
short radish
Got also a pink w/o tier
We are truly at our zenith with a 720 weap <:Kappa:675...
Season 2 electric bogaloo
solar charm
!fuu
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runic trail
I need to get the 720 weapon, gotta farm crests
frozen lichen
what is the best delve belt status?
olive canyon
!tier
wicked joltBOT
Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.
proven plover
what is the best delve belt status?
U mean the Disc Belt?
frozen lichen
U mean the Disc Belt?
yeah
proven plover
The versa or crit effect, both are similar but you can also just sim it to be sure
frozen lichen
sims says crit, but in logs versa is better, but anyway tks
proven plover
In logs you mean from other people? Depends on their stats. I would go with what robot tells you
stoic valve
Check for overnight changes
5 character slots
How cooked
Surely this season is our season right guys
crystal bone
5 character slots
blizz must prioritize the casuals with 14 alts first
but i think balancing mid race is not something they do normally
keen dome
I can finally have more rogues
oak grotto
Also do you play around Tea by not going under 30 energy for example and then keeping it for burstwindow during cds?
cursive vapor
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
crystal bone
Also do you play around Tea by not going under 30 energy for example and then ke...
u macro it to dance and forget it exists
spring zenith
Do we actually trade in our 4 set if we can get 2 set? even when its champion?
merry agate
!gear
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stoic valve
blizz must prioritize the casuals with 14 alts first
My wrath will be taken out on my teams in m+ today. I WILL stand in swirlies. I WILL force my healer to blow cds on me. I WONT press defensives. I WONT backstab from behind. I will not use any prep items. I will NOT do the bare minimum.
swift tinsel
crystal bone
swift tinsel
Doesn’t work for people in my guild so idk
mighty citrus
is there a rough itemlevel when we replace belt?
carmine portal
@keen dome im praying on kyvezas downfall from central rome
When i return
I shall return for a victory
keen dome
You will win, easy
carmine portal
I am avoiding mosquito bites like daggers
mighty citrus
tyty
trail glen
!atro
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Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <
terse ruin
Hey mates, when will you craft ?
hazy breach
If you think you will easily kill the second mythic boss without a big damage increase then you can wait until after youve done that
Otherwise just send immediately
twilit phoenix
steel jolt
Fuu the guide god
crystal bone
fuu enjoys a good glazing every now and then
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vale pine
i love this chart, will tell my m+ group today what dungeons i want to run
to then get ignored
alpine wraith
ahaha
runic sinew
!fuu
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fallen crescent
rogues are goated
This, all the theorycrafters and supporting people here make me love rogue i appreciate all the time and effort people pour into this discord. Everyone is awesome
alpine wraith
we live from hopes and dreams
and living to see the next builder buff in a finisher spec
alpine iris
!gear
wicked joltBOT
pearl charm
can you still trigger the first dance in combat?
summer peak
Maybe crafting today, is there any any stats that will be good for Sin FB/DS and Sub?
hazy breach
can you still trigger the first dance in combat?
I dont believe so now
But it actually starts when you leave combat now
Instead of randomly waiting like 4 seconds to start the timer
topaz nexus
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
spice lichen
Maybe crafting today, is there any any stats that will be good for Sin FB/DS and...
i mean i would think crit/mast, no?
stiff remnant
For trinkets, is bloodmallet a good way to gauge their prio?
spice lichen
I like BM but I'm pretty sure people will just say to sim them yourself
alpine wraith
sub uses an on use then a passive or double on uses
so most on uses will be high on blood mallet
and be fine
the only ones you cant combo together are the 1:30 min ones
like you cant use idol and lilly
or hoc and idol
spice lichen
but they'll both be high on prio, that's a good point
vale pine
For trinkets, is bloodmallet a good way to gauge their prio?
!fuu has trinket combination sims, else raidbots dropoptimizer or top gear is great
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steady dune
oh damn i didnt notice that the weapon enchants changed
steady dune
from depths?
alpine wraith
rn it is kinda stat enchants>double radiance>depths
but also depends on your gear
the more agi you have worse radiant is
the more dmg you do with skills in general worse depths is
alpine wraith
you can always sim raidbots has a neat thing in top gear that makes it easy to check
steady dune
im in que 🙂 over 500 large
pearl charm
I dont believe so now
youre a doll as always, thanks! That explains why it wasnt working
cursive vapor
!guide
cursive vapor
Can anyone maybe tldr the rule for coup? Only cast if target has fazed right?
steady dune
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
cursive vapor
Ahhh ty
patent crystal
!fuu
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tight arch
is there a reason not to macro symbols to dance? Since I always use them together feels like
alpine wraith
you dont want those together
swift tinsel
!burst
wicked joltBOT
During your Flagellation and Shadow Blades you want your second Shadow Dance to be cast immediately after the first one ends. You do not
want to cast Symbols of Death at the same time as your second Shadow Dance, but rather 1 or 2 seconds later when Secret Technique has
10 seconds or less remaining. This is to make sure you supercharge the Secret Technique instead of an Eviscerate.
Because of this a Shadow Dance+Symbols of Death macro is not ideal.
alpine wraith
we have some situations where you dont want to use them
tight arch
!burst
Ahh thanks so I was doing my burst wrong way the all time xdd luckily I found out b4 todays raid
brave monolith
Is there a reason for the '10 seconds or less" part? Could we just wait for sec tech to actually be back up to press symbols?
tight arch
I assume 10s is because you have 2 supercharged CPs and when you supercharge one evis you can still use the 2nd supercharged on secret
lucid jackal
That exactly why
frank narwhal
I hear it said that Sub is really strong for Dawnbreaker, that true?
brave monolith
@tight arch Ok that's that I was thinking also, so I guess the difference between 1 and 2 supercharged CPs on sec tech isn't that much to make it worth delaying
tight arch
when you have supercharged 2cps it doest benefit twice it is more like charges on bonus CPs
so your 2 spenders benefit from it not that the 1st one benefit more
tight sparrow
which set piece do we need for offset?
runic kraken
Macroing Shadow Blades + SecTech (separate from SecTech binding) still buffs SecTech with Blades, right?
runic kraken
which set piece do we need for offset?
Shoulders.
radiant raptor
guys, im new to rog, do you make a macro for shadow dance+symbols as sub or is it cringe?
frank harness
no
sick jackal
!fuu
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frank harness
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
frank harness
these are the only macro's you really need
radiant raptor
thank you!
frank harness
np
humble aspen
In terms of m+ comp, does sub have a preference - mostly phys?
sick jackal
In terms of m+ comp, does sub have a preference - mostly phys?
I would say just have a shaman in group and youll be fine
mighty citrus
is there a possibility in raid to utilize tfd more than once at the beginning?
tepid trellis
no
mighty citrus
ty
mighty citrus
!prepull
wicked joltBOT
Pre Pull Cheeses:
Recommended - Supercharge - Using Symbols of Death before pull gives you 2 supercharger charges, this is easy to perform and can be done without any loss given the infinite timer on supercharger.
- Explanation: Only the first 2 stacks of Supercharger don't reset on a boss pull, and you can easily press symbols early enough to have full charges on pull.
NOT Recommended- Disoriented Strikes - Using Secret Technique gives you disoriented strikes, you can start bosses with the benefits when using Secret before a wipe or on Trash carefully. - Explanation: Disoriented does not reset on boss pull, but this trick requires a lot of attention and can't be done consistently, so is not recommended.
Damage Impact: Both Cheeses lead to a bit more than1% damagegain in a 5 minute Patchwerk simulation.
hollow spear
premium, baby!
fallen crescent
Premium a scam?
dry plank
unequipping this 4set is gonna feel so bad
May be they extend hero tree in midnight and make this set a new talents )
Lazy solution bug became tier set became capstone 🙂
lilac pendant
!wa
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mighty citrus
i saw some peeps already crafting a dagger 720. is there anything speaking against it?
trail glen
!fuu
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lilac pendant
while in shadowdance, how many tagets for shuriken storm instead of shadowstrike?
hazy breach
Never
shadow lance
i saw some peeps already crafting a dagger 720. is there anything speaking again...
If you have a chance to have MM dagger this week from sec boss, don't craft
But this is the best dps increase for craft and you won't waste cuz it will stay offhand if you get full maxed MM dagger
cursive vapor
we wanna use backstab before blades cause of premeditation but could it also be shadowstrike?
limpid sage
Oh ok that's crazy that I didn't know that holy shit
if you have coup and 15 seconds left you can do it as well, since the 5 cps count towards the cd reduction
high eagle
we wanna use backstab before blades cause of premeditation but could it also be ...
Doesn't pre med get consumed on pull with SS? And Bs just for DM stack?
hazy breach
It could be strike yes, but backstab is better
scenic oxide
/up
valid vault
whats the dps gain from using backstab on every dance?
scenic oxide
!up
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cursive vapor
It could be strike yes, but backstab is better
so backstab is always nr 1 builder after dance?
alpine wraith
premium, baby!
need premiumest
hollow spear
whats the dps gain from using backstab on every dance?
around 1.0% - 1.5% or so during last season, probably didn't change much
valid vault
pretty good, start using it
vale pine
we wanna use backstab before blades cause of premeditation but could it also be ...
it can be, its only a small optimization
edgy zenith
do we macro tea on dance still?
cursive vapor
i think yea
mighty citrus
êmbs dont get stronger with higher ilvl?
aaaaaaand i just simmed it, WM sims higher for me than tfd? i guess shorter fights its favors tfd but for progress? what do you think guys. it might not even matter
gaunt bluff
do you maybe have an input to sim all the different consumable combos? @vale pine
pearl charm
!tier
wicked joltBOT
Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.
stoic granite
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
edgy zenith
how tf am I supposed to apply FW without rotten
sinful zephyr
!gear
wicked joltBOT
spice matrix
Backstab from behind or crit with shuriken storm
carmine portal
Just crit bro
magic ruin
opinions on catalyst a hero piece for 2p this week?
carmine portal
Watching a friend push keys, ecodome aldani is rlly low count without skipping packs huh
carmine portal
opinions on catalyst a hero piece for 2p this week?
If ur not raiding/didnt get any gear/wont be doing mythics that might offer a myth level vault piece then sure i imagine.
magic ruin
If ur not raiding/didnt get any gear/wont be doing mythics that might offer a my...
well im raiding so i guess not then
carmine portal
Wait until your week is over yeah
alpine wraith
opinions on catalyst a hero piece for 2p this week?
depends on your prog kinda
hollow spear
I really need to work on my black powder maxxing
magic ruin
depends on your prog kinda
mid/late CE guild
carmine portal
I personally used cata this week on hero 2p as im away/not raiding
alpine wraith
well then it is very likely this week you kill at least dimensius normal and maybe first mythic although last 2 hc have hands
magic ruin
just cant wait to not mald about losing winning streak stacks
carmine portal
I need to get better at using strike and not storm
lucid jackal
just cant wait to not mald about losing winning streak stacks
Instead you can mald about UB procs 
left ledge
Ngl
The new set feels infinitely better than winning streak
When it doesn’t proc you’re just playing sub normally, and when it does proc you feel a significant (good) change
Winning streak would stack up to only 4 in my cds somehow, then I press evis once outside of dance and it’s fkin gone
The only impact was making me hate my rotation outside of dance
And hoping I stack it fast in dance
wet idol
Hello there
Need some advice on how to management SoD and Dance. Sometimes I don't know if I should send them or not. I know that you should get two dance in your cds. Is there like a timer that I can reference to know if I should use or not ?
buoyant maple
dusk stone
In terms of m+ comp, does sub have a preference - mostly phys?
yes sub heavily prefers phys comp, you lose 10%+ + 5% + 5% + druid buff
swift tinsel
Don’t look because it’s week one or…
rich stump
!wa
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steel zinc
!fuu
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fiery garnet
yo guys, how do we play with the Prism? Do I hold it till next burst? meaning 1:30 and then another 1:30?
swift tinsel
Macro to blades
swift tinsel
You essentially treat it as a 1.5min trinket, yeah
swift tinsel
scenic oxide
Anybody feeling like reviewing? Except from 1 trinket not popping what are my biggest mistakes? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G2mwVdzLbDF8krtp?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=8
Halp
swift tinsel
Maybe there’s tech to hold it for stuff that gets figured out later but 
scenic oxide
My Sectech seems to do 3 times less than supposed to but dont know why
swift tinsel
What’s it hitting for and do you have a log by chance
Unless you mean from that one
scenic oxide
swift tinsel
Looks like you missed the double dance in opener and sent your cb Sectech outside of it
That’s a big oopsie
mighty citrus
!fuu
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mental dune
just got my hands on heroic netherprism
dont think ive seen numbers like this in my life
warm marlin
Champ prism is better than almost every other myth track trinket unless the fight is short
stoic reef
I mean for m+
warm marlin
Only gets stronger in m+ since you’re less likely to cast instantly on cd
mental dune
you can charge it up in trash
on an 8 a fully stacked prism is just 1/4 of the boss'd hp
slate lantern
!gear
wicked joltBOT
graceful crown
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
sand minnow
!macro
wicked joltBOT
Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:
/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.
idle aurora
So is sub undertuned or does it just need set pieces
idle aurora
For raid
hazy breach
Tier is very good, but yes probably slightly undertuned for ST
idle aurora
I felt like I was getting dunked on in raid last night lol
On packs I would shred on bosses not so much lol
hollow spear
How are you guys playing the forgeweaver burst?
Feels a little too condensed for the standard opener
iron plover
just got my hands on heroic netherprism
dont think ive seen numbers like this in...
wtf
Oh can I get the talents you’re using?
I feel like cold blood isn’t the move
alpine wraith
How are you guys playing the forgeweaver burst?
need to begin it a bit early
so you can get the second sec tech in
iron plover
Heard people started going to tornado
cunning mist
just got my hands on heroic netherprism
dont think ive seen numbers like this in...
holy how
😮
valid vault
do we have a rule for netherprism?
kindred dock
guys. sry quick question. do we change set instant on 2 or do we keep 4 until we have new 4?
kindred dock
thanks
hazy breach
New 2p is better than old 2+4 together
hazy breach
Second? 
bleak night
damn
cursive vapor
all rogues are damn awesome
rapid forum
I don't feel that way rho
All speccs feel ass to play atm
And performance is avg
And it's so much work to get good damage if I compare to other speccs
Am I cooked?
warm marlin
im slowly becoming an assa enjoyer
keen dome
same.
warm marlin
which is probably even more cooked
spec is kind of fun in keys (totally not biased because of how op it is)
rapid forum
Yes sin im keys crazy strong
But I hate it's gameplay
But I also dislike sub and law rn
Man
Idk what to do
warm marlin
as long as the pulls aren't too big dot management isnt super annoying
and just slamming the funnel target feels good
left ledge
Yes sin im keys crazy strong
Isn’t the ST still dog
bleak night
its not the strongest but the funnel and overall is so busted it doesnt matter
and you can just pull trash onto most bosses anyway
except in like dawnbreaker
bleak night
shuriken combo coming back any day now
rapid forum
Isn’t the ST still dog
It is yes
But it deletes everything in sight if there is ever 3 or more targets to hit
Which is the case most of the time in keys
left ledge
Yeah I’m prob gonna play sub for a bit longer when I get 4p
Then inevitably swap to sin
rapid forum
For raid too?
I am turbo lost what to play
Everyone yapped sub for raid goated
Usually best default prog specc
But doesn't feel good
Enjoyment doesn't matter because all 3 rog speccs feel like shit to me rn
I have rog existence crisis or Smth idk
hazy breach
Assa got some bugfixes and stuff that made it do way more damage (fatebound)
But also sub looks a bit worse than it should be right now because our set is very very strong
rapid forum
I have 4pc and prism
hazy breach
Or well "should" be as in later on in the tier
rapid forum
Got hunter boots as well
left ledge
For raid too?
Yes ofc
rapid forum
Like gear isn't my issue
left ledge
I’m only playing sub on dimensius
Because of the amp
But there’s like no reason to play sub on most bosses
hazy breach
Assa does fine on amp too as fatebound so idk
Sub mostly good at padding on adds right now
hazy breach
Ye
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The amp will be way more beneficial to sub
At least we’re thinking that rn
Mythic could be way different
rapid forum
I mean it's only nm and HC raids for my guild rn
hazy breach
Idk maybe too many adds for fatebound, well see
left ledge
Yeah that’s another thing
quasi eagle
!coup
wicked joltBOT
Coup de Grace Optimizations:
- **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
- Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
- Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.
left ledge
Fate bound falls off with adds
rapid forum
But on hc spider and araz I lost giga hard to other classes even during the amps
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And DS isn’t nearly as bursty
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But on hc spider and araz I lost giga hard to other classes even during the amp...
Yeah I mean sub needs 4p bad, and even then the burst isn’t much significantly hgiher
For dimensius
rapid forum
I have it