subtlety

[crystal bone]

xD

[rigid iris]

Hey, with change to use Thistle tea in M+, should it's auto-use be something we should avoid or will simultaneous use with SD render make a non-issue?

[vale pine]

soleahs

its also not bad

[hazy breach]

Non issueeee

[vale pine]

just macro it to dance and forget it exists

[dusk stone]

it probably matters at some point but its such a huge pain that it isnt worth thinking about

[rigid iris]

That I had planned on doing, cheers and thank you

[fallen crescent]

With prism as your only on use. Is your first set of cds without trinkets because you have no stacks

[vale pine]

i like prism

[dusk stone]

ty for all the work on guides and stuff makes life easier

[vale pine]

you can use it, but it does not rly do much, so best is first use with 2nd set of cooldowns

[dusk stone]

yooo astral antella looks juicey

[fallen crescent]

No trinket cds sounds weird. Is double on use viable for raid? Because i was thinking of doing that

[vale pine]

prism is rly good, so yes

[fallen crescent]

K, ty kind friend!

[dusk stone]

is antenna pretty consistent with its uptime or no

seaforium you didnt have to think about

[alpine wraith]

antenna can highroll

[vale pine]

the biggets problem with antenna is

everyone wants it

[alpine wraith]

and get 3 stacks

[vale pine]

so, you roll for it against a lot of others

[alpine wraith]

i recommended prism and cosmic hunt but the dimensius trink is also good

[vale pine]

prisma, almost nobody does

[alpine wraith]

as real options

[vale pine]

so its nearly guaranteed

[dusk stone]

sounds like something you bribe for tbh

paid 250k for tier piece legit lol

[dire pulsar]

as non mythic raider witch one would you take ? Lily + peacemaker ?

[alpine wraith]

at least i got something from this dawmbreaker

you would use hc prism

[dire pulsar]

oh its THAT strong Oo

[vale pine]

yes

these two

very good options

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404829981074526238/sub.webp

[dire pulsar]

Thanks !

[dusk stone]

lily is just hoc without stack the deck

[vale pine]

^ i had the last minute idea, so now this chart exists to highlight gear thats good

[dire pulsar]

this gear sheet is so good ! U can just see easily what can benefit from each key !

[haughty mural]

Atleast we have options

Like lily

[vale pine]

ye, i mean lily is not as powerful as prisma

[haughty mural]

If we can’t get a hand on prism for whatever reason

[vale pine]

but raid trinkets are always slighly better

[haughty mural]

Ofc

[vale pine]

forge works too

so those are the 3 to look for for on use

[haughty mural]

We can’t get a hand on that almost certain

[honest void]

damn

black powder kinda fucks

[dusk stone]

11% buff + all the aura we got

[alpine wraith]

yea pvp trink prism and forge are cool to have

even lilly

[crystal bone]

are we ignoring FW now for when to BP? Is it just 3+ targets now

[vale pine]

buff was good

[alpine wraith]

you can sneak some storms outside dance

and those FW do a lot of carruing

[vale pine]

you can just bp on 4+

targets

[crystal bone]

kk

[vale pine]

the find weakness optimization is only marginal better

and a lot more complicated

[alpine wraith]

a floodgate I did

[vale pine]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[vale pine]

^ if you want to attempt it, there is a find weankess tracker with some rotation help in the weakaura sets

[crystal bone]

evis is still more prio though correct?

[alpine wraith]

also finally can craft 720 wep

BIG upgrade

[crystal bone]

so for big mama for example

[vale pine]

yes

but you trade off some aoe

obv.

[crystal bone]

yep

[alpine wraith]

when we get tier set you can kinda ignore evis in aoe and slam the coups

[keen dome]

hell yeah

[daring raptor]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

normal evis is not that powerful

but that snappy 150% coup

oh boi+

[vale pine]

nicuu

[crystal bone]

is it every coup gives a free coup?

i forget what the tier set said lol

[iron plover]

hi guys! whats the addon/wa people are using to display party frames?

[junior prawn]

Is it worth to go 2/2 set or wait till i get full 4set to replace previous one

[random hare]

assa is calling me to double everyone's dps

[alpine wraith]

you can use coup again for 5 secs

after first

[alpine wraith]

2 set insta replace

[junior prawn]

aight , thanks 😎

[grand wyvern]

i got hero helm tier from vault and hero glove from tw, should I cata them or be greedy hoping for myth in vault, what is the play?

[grave mango]

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404829981074526238/sub.webp

[short radish]

be greedy

[vale pine]

yes

[slender tangle]

Do we still need to do shurikan storm inbetween the two coup casts?

[oak grotto]

Do we wait to replace 4set or do we go 2 and 2

[empty cargo]

2 set asap

[oak grotto]

ty

[crystal bone]

every coup comes with a free coup

but during blades is the only time u want to coup storm coup?

[steady dune]

3+ targets is BP, but when should be be FoKing?

er shurikan storm

[crystal bone]

the rest is coup shadowstrike coup

[slender tangle]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[dusk stone]

2/4 + 2/4 its about 3-4% dps increase i think

not counting ilvl

[steady dune]

also anyone got a WA for TFD?

just a tracker for when it comes up

[rapid forum]

wtf

doesnt sim very good but what are the odds to get that

[lilac stag]

Just add a condition to your dance WA for a border change when TFD buff is up

[haughty mural]

LEs pack got a nice tfd tracker imo

[steady dune]

Ill have to figure out how to add the border

actually i bet i can jsut steal theh tracker from LE

[haughty mural]

Ye

[knotty depot]

Got netherprism in timewalking cache lol

That is filthy luck on week 1

[steady dune]

I pulled an antenna from somewhere

champ

[knotty depot]

timewalking I guess

if it's champ

[carmine portal]

What should we be using our Runed Crests on? Anything special?

[alpine wraith]

likely 1 step for trinkets

from 701 to 704

[chrome lake]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[sullen hare]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[gaunt bluff]

is there a diff target requirement for proccing coup vs black powder in aoe?

or same as eviscerate

[crystal bone]

i think u send coup no matter the target count

[dusk stone]

so im confused

were in a new town, but we still need dornagal mostly?

am i misunderstanding that

[warm depot]

oh man

i got 2p and it already feels so much better than 4p LMFAO

fuck that 4p was so trash

[vale pine]

New set Def has quite a bit more bunch

[dusk stone]

i dont notice much of a difference with new 2pc feels like i get more coups

bout it

[warm depot]

i really enjoyed just doing 2-3m less in my opener cuz i didnt have 8 stacks for the bulk of it

[vale pine]

!tier

[wicked jolt]

Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.

[vale pine]

^ 4p is the big hammer

[warm depot]

i really enjoyed not getting any stacks in my first dance

xd

[wheat lake]

do we have to play arround netherprism stacks?

[hollow plinth]

you send it with shadowblades

or towards the end of the fight

[gaunt bluff]

doesnt mention it on wowhead

unless im not finding it

[alpine wraith]

it is in a diff place

and yes you send coup as soon as you get it on aoe

[indigo steppe]

should i craft myth dagger?

[alpine wraith]

on st there some others

yea 720 is super big

[indigo steppe]

we might kill myth loom this week but like

the dagger will help do that 🙂

[indigo steppe]

hnnnngggg

[gaunt bluff]

ok thanks

[alpine wraith]

just check if you have fazed up

should be but just in case

[gaunt bluff]

but out of curiosity where is it on wowhead?

[alpine wraith]

no idea

you can ask fuu maybe

[steep raven]

Do you press BP with cleave build in raid?

[hollow spear]

#1 sub item

[alpine wraith]

only if targets need to die

like on king

in other places you would mostly keep evis

oh also the guy that takes mobs out of containtment

[steep raven]

On the platform?(king)

[alpine wraith]

and forgeguy

yea

[steep raven]

Don't you want to kill titan fast?

[alpine wraith]

the diff between bp and evis is not big

in ST

[steep raven]

huh?

really?

[alpine wraith]

yea

of course you will do a bit more prio

but quite less dps

not worth

there are classes that actually do prio

like arcane etc

[steep raven]

i mean ofc for parse etc you bp on 4+ targets, I know that. But properly when you do prio with cleave you're supposed to press evis, yeah?

[sullen hare]

someone else is out here hastemaxxing?! I thought I was alone!

[magic ruin]

Anyone know dps gain from using Stornbound Artistry instead of depths?

[heady crag]

does anyone know why this trinket is in D tier on the wowhead bis list but bloodmallet sims on 1,3,5 targets shows it's one of the best for dps?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=246344/cursed-stone-idol

[hollow plinth]

it did get buffed yesterday

[swift tinsel]

can you get tier from the hero track ulduar chest thing

[heady crag]

I see

[swift tinsel]

or is it just hero track ulduar gear

[hollow plinth]

No you cant get tier

[crystal bone]

the champ chest can have tier in it

the hero chest cannot

[hollow plinth]

ye

errr

are you sure the champ thing has tier

[crystal bone]

im not sure, just what other people have said in here

[hollow plinth]

i didnt have that impression myself from previous tiers

[keen dome]

no, it's exclusively hero track ulduar gear

so please enjoy the finest Ulduar trinket

[swift tinsel]

tyty

[heady crag]

my first hero track item this season was from ulduar tw quest. It was a cloak

🙂

[fallow nimbus]

weapon should be a safe craft, no?

[swift tinsel]

oh that's right its uld gear but it can be catalyzed

[fiery garnet]

Yo lads, which trinkets for SUB are worth to upgrade over myth cards/kezan? Are normal even useful, or keep until hc?

[limpid sage]

did they remove the delvers bounty?

the map thingy

[steel jolt]

Need to unlock maps now

[short radish]

need to be level 2

[vale pine]

you always use it, but its good information

i see why it might not seem obviouse, give me a sec and i will adjust it

[round latch]

i hate trickster

very much

[vale pine]

XD

[limpid sage]

ohh

how many bountiful delves for level 2?

[short radish]

To reach rank 2, you need to turn in the weekly quest and do 23 t11 bountiful delves with a coffer key. You'll need alts.

[vale pine]

changed it. Thanks for the input

[short radish]

should put (regardless of FW uptime) on the black powder bit

[carmine portal]

What the actual fuck????? why is it so high now?

I swear last season I blasted thru the delve track

[short radish]

free loot is banned

also blizzard upping the drop rate of tier by 100000% in vault

[swift tinsel]

yeah, but here's timewalking

[short radish]

[carmine portal]

jfc

[vale pine]

think most people don't consider find weakness targets

[pastel rampart]

yea feedback on delves was casual solo players enjoyed it but anyone wanting char progression felt like it was a chore, so they decided to add an 8 day timegate where you do delves for little to no reward before u start getting loot

[swift tinsel]

iirc we're the only spec that would look at a debuff # vs target # to determine aoe

[short radish]

yeah but for s1.5 -> s2 it was kinda (only press BP if you have it up on 5 target or more)

[swift tinsel]

so just looking at targets now is a nice bit

[short radish]

eh

nah

youre right

dont over complicate it on wowhead

[vale pine]

can't you just grind delves?

[swift tinsel]

you can but its slow

for the progress

seasonal progress*

[vale pine]

how many delves do you need?

20?

[gaunt bluff]

thank u

[vale pine]

if you find anything else lmk

always happy to find improvements

[pastel rampart]

bountiful only for rep so without alts itll take 8 days of bountiful refreshes at 4 per day no?

[swift tinsel]

roughly iirc

[pastel rampart]

i think t8s give 200? per and u need about 8000

1500 from a weekly quest

ig if u skip a day between a reset for a 2nd weekly its less delves but more time spent potentially

[vale pine]

can you repeat bountiful ones or no?

[rigid iris]

Not with same toon

[pastel rampart]

i dont think so, just 4 per day (per char)

so you'd need alts or its "timegated"

[rigid iris]

And alts need keys too which need to grinded one way or another

Or well, not mandatory, but coffer yields a bit more delver's journey

[vale pine]

sounds like a shitty system

ngl

[pastel rampart]

:^)

[vale pine]

sounds like a huge step back

[pastel rampart]

agree

[vale pine]

"we want to make delves worse"

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/bFnaI.gif

[rigid iris]

Mmh, seems odd change, one piece of heroic gear shouldn't make or break anything

[jagged rover]

apparently some of my sub specs had raw shadow blades on my bars and not my macro. Found why I had some terrible parses on some bosses, on use trinkets never got used

[vale pine]

"so we time gate to make them only relevant for you once we can be sure you absolutely need no gear from them"

[swift tinsel]

yeah not a fan of the change at all

plus it can't be tier so idk why they did it

besides purposefully slowing gearing

[rigid iris]

Also fun fact: you can currently loot the item which summons the seasonal boss (for bounty map), buuuut it drops only valorstones until you've unlocked the map from seasonal track, geeeeez.

[swift tinsel]

lmfao seriously

[rigid iris]

Guildmate just wasted the summon item for nothing

[vale pine]

ye

i know

[swift tinsel]

and they let you spend 2k undercoins on it anyways

that's so shitty of blizzard

[vale pine]

my gf and i did 2 delves

and we got the seasonal boss

and killed it

completely useless

[swift tinsel]

man, that's really messed up

[keen dome]

Feels like a very last minute change and it's very stupid

Utterly needless esp in this final season

[swift tinsel]

yeah I absolutely do not respect that decision at all

[rigid iris]

Reasoning seems off, but I guess Blizzard Logic™ it is

[hollow spear]

What's the spawning item called again?

[keen dome]

Shireking Quartz

[rigid iris]

Shrieking Quartz

[keen dome]

Which would be a good band name tbh

[rigid iris]

damn, slow :P

[hollow spear]

Not sure if their music would be too great on the ears

Farming conquest rn

How much do you need for the trinket? 😄

[rigid iris]

Wasn't it 900 conq

[keen dome]

700

I think. I could be wrong.

[short radish]

its 700

[rigid iris]

Yeah, 700, just at the vendor

[keen dome]

urgh, bracers from the timewalking quest

Boo, I say. Boo.

[rigid iris]

Well, I got belt :P

[hollow spear]

my loot has been absolute dogshite so far

our tank got one of the nice necks

[keen dome]

ripperonio

[hollow spear]

couldnt trade it, but the stats are bad for him haha

[vale pine]

its a shit sandwitch, which is sadly the stnadard for wow

[keen dome]

Yeah. It's just needless.

[bleak night]

[left ledge]

The delvers journey thing is just a completely disconnected change

We don’t want to have to do more delves

[short radish]

the people who were only doing delves for content probably hate it

[left ledge]

Why can’t this company stop forcing these atrocious changes

[short radish]

and the people who only step into delves w1/w2 for loot also hate it

what was this change meant to accomplish

0 fucking chance im spamming delves without a really good carrot

[graceful osprey]

I think delves are okay, but I feel like it’s kinda tough for sub rogue in delves. Without CDs, damage is like a soggy newspaper

[swift tinsel]

I usually go bleed build and destroy everything then sub for last boss

[left ledge]

The problem isn’t doing a delve

It’s that you have to grind some shit delve battle pass

To unlock maps

[slate lantern]

i think the numbers will speak for themselves in terms of how large the dropoff will be from s2 in terms of how many people are doing delves, like i dont think ill even care to get full vault slots after like maybe this week? so just wont even get to the map section lol

[left ledge]

Which normally weren’t locked

[swift tinsel]

yeah this part is what bothers me the most

they only added it now at the last season of the xpac

[crystal bone]

[left ledge]

Yeah I don’t get it

It’s such a shit change

[swift tinsel]

yep

[left ledge]

My guild was prepping to do maps together

[crystal bone]

sub will kill the boss before the flag window is over

[swift tinsel]

like I don't mind if its slower to progress the season journey thing

[left ledge]

And now nobody is doing them

[bleak night]

yeah i really dont know what the reason for the change was

[swift tinsel]

but don't fucking lock maps behind it

[willow fulcrum]

I wanna like Sub, but man does the dance opener twist my brain up with a million buttons to push in 2 seconds

[keen dome]

The item for the maps is even dropping in week 0, too. It's so stupid

[bleak night]

did blizzard think people getting one hero track piece from delves for the first couple weeks was too strong or something

like what

[left ledge]

I’m fine with just doing the delves for vault and the map

It was fine

[keen dome]

Yeah

[rigid iris]

It does get better over time :)

[left ledge]

I don’t need another fucking battle pass

[swift tinsel]

yeah I usually just do it for vault the first few weeks then as something to do later on

[keen dome]

It's annoying 'cos I really needed those T11 gilded for less stress on getting a dagger

[swift tinsel]

and the map was a nice boost

[left ledge]

Whatever though let them kill delves off

Just like every other expansion system

It’ll be abandoned

[keen dome]

Nah, I tihnk it'll be in Midnight

[rigid iris]

Delves 2.0!

[swift tinsel]

yeah I think overall they're successful

good time sink and solo player activity

[graceful osprey]

I mean…if they added torghast anima mechanic to delves….

[bleak night]

yeah i think delves as a system are fine

this change was just a weird one

[keen dome]

Ignoring this dumb change, Delves are really good this season.

[bleak night]

the bountiful delve portals they added in tazavesh are wrong though which is very funny

[keen dome]

The ethereal stuff,f lickergates, quicker completion

[rigid iris]

I haven't minded doing delves, it's been a nice addition and after certain point you can just stop doing them

[left ledge]

I mean sure the system is fine but this seems to be a direction they’re trying to take

Rather than a one off change

[keen dome]

Yeah

Go the other way! T11 is a Myth vault

[bleak night]

T22 myth vault

[keen dome]

Also: hell yeah 2p

[vale pine]

midnight will have a new version of delves.
Blizzard introduces a new system, called promises.
You can fill up a promise bar by running delves.
After 4 weeks of doing your bountiful delves daily, you proc the promise.
Proccing the promise has a 20% chance of giving you heroic loot, 30% chance to proc normal loot, and 50% chance to drop the tier below normal.

The system is designed to provide a more realistic framework to increase player satisfaction, and should make delves feel like the best content any player can do.

[bleak night]

also attached is a brann dating sim

[vale pine]

oh yes

[keen dome]

[vale pine]

brans voice volume is 8x when doing bountiful delves, did hear people love that

[keen dome]

lmao

Brann should have a chance to spawn in any raid instance

You can't remove him. He will interact with mechanics.

[vale pine]

bran is the new nomi

[keen dome]

He does 200k DPS

[vale pine]

xD

he will also pull stuff randomly

[swift tinsel]

like he does now like a maniac

[vale pine]

"why did you break the blind on that mob?"

[swift tinsel]

throws volley on kyveza mob pack as I pull a boss in underkeep

[vale pine]

"because i am a good friend" - brann

[rigid iris]

I just love Totting Brent and letting him get rammed. My new favorite activity.

[swift tinsel]

then gets aggro bc of dance threat drop and runs boss out of room to reset

I stg he's the most pug-accurate hunter on the planet

[keen dome]

I just wanna run keys but there's so many DPS applying to them all

[graceful osprey]

Happened to me yesterday on a tier 11

Welp time to wait for my cds again

[swift tinsel]

I straight up tilted SO hard

[left ledge]

Not having an option to disable brann is crazy

[swift tinsel]

like please give me a taunt

[left ledge]

He actually just makes delves worse

[swift tinsel]

or disable the dance threat drop in delves

[keen dome]

He does

[swift tinsel]

for the love of christ

[left ledge]

I’m trying to stealth through to speedrun the delve

[swift tinsel]

it sucked hard on kyveza too

[left ledge]

What does brann do

Shout some dwarf bullshit

And shoot mobs across the map

And pull every mob onto me

[swift tinsel]

omg when I'm stealthed and he breaks stealth to Rapid Fire some random-ass mob

my 13th reason

[left ledge]

Thanks brann

So useful

[keen dome]

Make him an actual pet so he obeys all the things we do

[rigid iris]

Yeah, it's nice that sometimes decides to go apeshit on some mob I was facing forward, not even targeted

[keen dome]

Instead of this frustrating.. hybrid

[swift tinsel]

other times he shoots dead mobs and doesn't heal

[graceful osprey]

Huh, why am I still in combat…sees brann…oh

[swift tinsel]

yep

lmao

[vale pine]

i would just want to dissable brann

[rigid iris]

This.

[vale pine]

give me some defensive anima powers

or sth

so i can survive shit

[frail kindle]

on soul huinters boss do u black powder

[keen dome]

Yeah man

Torghast powers in delves would go INSANELY hard

[graceful osprey]

Adding more meaningful player power ups would be nice

[keen dome]

I don't hate Brann as an idea but I hate how frustrating he is

[graceful osprey]

Last season I used the random mech spawn where I control it just so I won’t get obliterated and I can live

[keen dome]

New M+ talents are for 4p, right? Not 2p?

[vale pine]

should be fine without tier too, but they become better once you unlock the new tier

[keen dome]

Neat, thanks

[mental comet]

what is greater echoing void ? is it amirdrassil helm enchant v2?

[bleak night]

basically, but it was from last tier

doesn't work anymore

[mental comet]

oh ok

[peak jetty]

What happened that we use versa mastery or crit enchant on weapons instead of main stat enchantment on weapons?

[vale pine]

dissabled enchant from 11.1.7 content

[modest river]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gaunt bluff]

do u guys think its worth to shuriken storm in ST if theres orbs from affix around

cus u get like full cp

[alpine wraith]

man black powder is so silly

6m crits

aoe ability btw

[graceful osprey]

Looks like we need another BP buff
Another 12%

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[loud brook]

pvp trinket is decent?

[alpine wraith]

yea

kinda sameish than lilly

but you can double trinket it better with prism

[loud brook]

is it worth farming

[alpine wraith]

quite easy to farm yea

[loud brook]

got it

[swift tinsel]

I should probably do that today

[lusty root]

the ferocity one?

[jade urchin]

we go full unethical padding in this house

[young mural]

out of all passive M+ trinket options, is pacemaker still the best option?

i want to farm it

[alpine wraith]

crystal can be better depending on gear

this one

[young mural]

Ah yes

perfect, ty hacha

ill farm either one of those

[loud brook]

are we at bad status right now

[swift tinsel]

nah

[loud brook]

seems outlaw and assas perform way better

[hazy breach]

Their sets are also worth 10-15% dps

Ours is 30%

[alpine wraith]

until we get 4 set we are not on the map does not help of course that you will see more people playing those

[hollow spear]

Might as well delete your character rather than playing sub :^)

[bleak night]

real

[hollow spear]

I thought fatebound set was also pretty spicy?

[swift tinsel]

do you do the warcrate farming in DF or TWW zones

[bleak night]

tww

[alpine wraith]

just do a brawl and some epic bgs

there are seasonal quests that give lots of conquest

[bleak night]

then you take 8 epic bgs to get a win

[swift tinsel]

yeah I saw you get 175 from the quest

[young mural]

this is how i grabbed my pvp trink last season lol

[swift tinsel]

I greatly dislike pvp so this'll be fun lol

thankfully its only 700 conq

[alpine wraith]

i will likely do it on friday

you can also get a wrist with socket

not bad

crit vers

[limpid sage]

did they

actually

fkn

remove the gilded

from doing the same dungeon again

[young mural]

idk if you play assassination, but try playing bleed build on pvp, its pretty fun and VERY strong

[swift tinsel]

?

[alpine wraith]

what do you mean

[limpid sage]

it said I could do the same bountiful

for gilded

[alpine wraith]

oh you cant?

that is annoying

[swift tinsel]

was it your third

or fourth

[fallen mortar]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[swift tinsel]

I think we push pvp thing til after lunch, I hunger

[limpid sage]

just barely didn't get to make myth track weapon now T_T

indie company

[swift tinsel]

do a 7

[viscid jungle]

How did people feel about sub dps in raid? I was having a lot of trouble keeping up with assassination

[swift tinsel]

single target feels a bit behind but some of the timings line up well

only done the one 7/8 so far

[alpine wraith]

when you get 4p and prism you will feel a bit change

but then everyone will get gear

[swift tinsel]

yeah I'm holding off on criticism until I'm 4pc

at 2pc hero track so I'm feelin good so far tho gear-wise

then with badge it'll be nice

[hollow spear]

The big jump will be myth weapon and 4p

First two bosses look pretty sin to me tho

[swift tinsel]

ye I'm probs crafting dagger later this week

since we won't see myth for a few weeks yet

maybe jump into liquid split for hero vault

[hollow spear]

The raid definitely looks challenging

And laggy

[glacial wind]

Is bloodmallet accurate atm? Prism is very ahead

[hollow spear]

Sounds accurate

[glacial wind]

okay cheers

[scenic oxide]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[leaden prairie]

how is 2p2p for sub @vale pine

[lucid atlas]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[dusky yew]

/wa

[runic trail]

I love this delve boss that insta despawns whenever I try and use vanish in my rotation ._.

pls

i beg

[keen dome]

Turbo boost for S3 confirmed. Coming after 11.2.5

[rare sedge]

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404829981074526238/sub.webp

[vale pine]

!tier or !sheet

[wicked jolt]

Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.

[vale pine]

old 2p is kinda meh

so probably fine

but you want new 4p

i did add tier sims to the sheet earlier today

[leaden prairie]

ye im mostly wondering about old 4p value right

for 2p2p

but imma do a quick sim anywya

[vale pine]

ye it includes old pieces in the sims

[leaden prairie]

oh i see

[vale pine]

i did set new tier set pieces to the old item level

so it is comparing on equal base

[hollow spear]

So the 22.2% are ilvl neutral

And 30% would be mythic new vs mythic old

[vale pine]

no

basically

the roughly 30%

does not include item level gains through this tier

[jagged rover]

I did my part sandbagging sub logs by not using my on use trinkets all night

[vale pine]

so if you get heroic/mythic set

its also item level on top

[keen dome]

high5, good work team. I helped too by trying to type RW's mid-cooldown

[swift tinsel]

I purposefully had graphic error and client crashes on soulbinder and araz to do my sandbagging part too

[vale pine]

nice

i will do some mechanics testing today probably

[crystal bone]

oh good idea, i'll "dc" a few times

[vale pine]

i tested the aoe on 2nd? 3rd? boss in lfr

and you could cloak it

[keen dome]

I also tested the aoe on the 2nd boss

[vale pine]

need to see if you can still do in normal

[bleak night]

you can

[keen dome]

You can cloak the knockback on the 3rd guy too

[bleak night]

never left a boss due to a large circular aoe in my life

[crystal bone]

rogue stocks

📈

[keen dome]

There was something I cloaked today and went "uh..." but I forget what it was

[void hound]

!cbug

[wicked jolt]

Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:

• Relogging.

[runic trail]

Brann is the deadliest enemy in t11 delves, I swear to god.

Hit shadowdance, brann runs into 3 other packs.

[jagged rover]

I confirmed you can live the aoe on the 2nd boss on normal with feint + evasion and cheat death 😂 Was curious if it wouldn't proc cheat

[bleak night]

this might not be great on mythic though

[keen dome]

Yeah

[jagged rover]

still hit for 16 mil

[bleak night]

might drop a puddle right on top of boss lmao

[keen dome]

lmao

"I will poop WHERE I WANT" i declare to the raid, hitting cloak and wiping us

[devout quarry]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

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[jagged rover]

our ele shaman took the aoe better than I did. I'll keep cloaking it

[young mural]

!loot

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404829981074526238/sub.webp

[young mural]

ty fuu youre the goat

[proper rune]

simmed my gear in sub (3m dps) and the same gear in assa gives me 3.5m dps. not played much assa but may have to jump ship to see how it goes if its half a mil morfe

[glossy turtle]

Hello. I was wondering if I could get some tips. im doing terrible dmg, so I must be doing something very wrong. Just dont quite know what. Would love some feedback. 🙂
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xxt8AVhYmJCd92aZ?fight=15&source=31

[fallen crescent]

My st with 4p fb was at 4m and my sub st was at 3.3m

[proper rune]

im 2piece fatebound assa sims 500k more than 2piece trickster sub

i just wonder if the damage amps on certain bosses is enough to make sub shine

[warm depot]

theres a lot of fights with downtime

or movement

which favours dot specs like sin

• its d1, ppl will learn + share where and when to hold cds for burst phases and what not

[jagged rover]

interesting to see some of the top logs are dropping imp shadow tech and planned execution

[warm depot]

i went in yolo yesterday and didnt really think about timings at all lol

[sharp lake]

Question, I've seen a lot of guides say always finish at 6 or more combo points. In dance without blades I often get Shadow Strikes that give 5 combo, going for another Shadow Strike often means I don't have enough energy for an Eviscerate on the next global. Is this still correct?

[void hound]

that only happens with very bad rng

[swift tinsel]

As annoying as it is you still strike

[void hound]

as long as you dont clip your dance globals you should be fine

[hexed sluice]

I also discovered this when I shadowstepp3d and it sent me to the center of the room lmao

[sharp lake]

I'm clipping dance globals constantly doing this :(

[snow yew]

what bosses do you recommend playing sub on?

[keen dome]

He has returned to taunt me.....

[sharp lake]

oh has anyone figured out Forgemaster Araz timing? When my guild was fighting it yesterday the burst phase lined up poorly with my cooldowns

[jagged rover]

looking at parses, do a dance in the opener, hold first set of cds to 20-30 seconds

your going to end up holding to 6 minutes anyway, but this sets everything up for pillars and the amp decently

[sharp lake]

Do I start burst on pillar 2 or on the boss?

[jagged rover]

dances on pillars, cds on boss

[fallen crescent]

I was seeing kush play it a bit earlier and he held for boss0

Also held coup in that period of time for cds

[jagged rover]

if you open like we normally do, you can send cds on pillar 3 and partially into the boss, but I think holding for first usage and lining up that way will feel better

[fallen crescent]

Holding first usage?

Like for when orbs spawn?

[jagged rover]

I think so, like 20-25 seconds. I haven't checked Kushs log, but ryddles and perkz did the same thing

a dance set in the opener, then send flag + blades around 25-30 seconds

[fallen crescent]

That makes sense because that’s how long he held i believe

Sounds interesting ty

[jagged rover]

its what I'll be doing because I noticed the same awkward timings on pillars on heroic last night

[sharp lake]

Other weird coup optimizations, if we have coup up going into a shadow dance do we coup first then sectech or do we still sectech first?

[warm marlin]

it did seem like you can basically play the gallywix timings

[stoic reef]

Id usually coup first

You will definitly loose blade stacks if you use dech tech

Sech tech*

[stoic reef]

.

Am just a newbie tho, so idk

[novel stump]

can someone help me if i black powder or eviscerate in AOE and whats the breakpoints some say 7 some say 3-4

[stoic reef]

It used to be 7

[sharp lake]

yeah the weird bit is you'll also lose sectech cdr but that might not matter. It would matter in burst though

[sharp lake]

its 4 targets because Black Powder damage was buffed, its now about 80% of Eviscerate damage. Black Powder might be better on 3 targets but only if all they have Find Weakness on them.

[random star]

this is a good ring right?

[steel jolt]

As good as it sims

[limpid sage]

ye but would recommend getting socket instead of hc pieces

as you can just farm them

[random star]

can you farm hc delve rings tho

[gaunt bluff]

is this also true in mega aoe?

[sharp lake]

honestly I've been storming after the two unseen blades guaranteed by sectech

[swift tinsel]

sockets are tiny

[sharp lake]

no idea if that's correct but eh

[left ledge]

!tier

[wicked jolt]

Tier set:
Best Slots: Head, Chest, Hands, Legs
Strength: 2p (~10% dps) | 4p (~20% dps) -> Combined: ~30%.
Note: Try to get the 4set asap.

[remote furnace]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[quaint orbit]

do we still shuriken storm between coups if we get a shadow techniques proc

[dire pulsar]

Can you remind me the command for black powder ?

[stoic reef]

!bp

!BP

I forgor

[limpid sage]

holy shit dimensius is cool

best boss I've ever been on

[rocky ocean]

when do you use prism?

[vale pine]

during blades

you can skip it on opener because you have no stacks

[iron plover]

!bis

sad

!loot

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404829981074526238/sub.webp

[vale pine]

!sheet has sims if you look for that

[wicked jolt]

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[rocky ocean]

can I macro it with blades? Does using it on pull ruin future uses?

[crystal bone]

[keen dome]

Hell yeah big daggers

[crystal bone]

recrafting old dagger also reduces risk of int dagger craft

[keen dome]

[swift tinsel]

I need I think 23 crests for dagger but pugs have been roughhh today

Got a Crystal from DB tho so that’s cool

[vale pine]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[vale pine]

can ye

[graceful crown]

[heady garden]

What changed to make us BP on 4 now?

[swift tinsel]

11% buff

[steel jolt]

BP buffed

[heady garden]

🤢 Ability needs removing

[cunning turret]

sorry if it's been answered already, but are there any rules around using new 4set?

[graceful crown]

bring back death from above in pve!!!!

[heady garden]

True, real, and facts

Having to press BP more might actually make me roll something else lol

[swift tinsel]

I thought I would hate it more than I do tbh

[chrome palm]

Why? It’s the exact same gameplay just a different button

[swift tinsel]

^

Ye was just typing that

Replace one button press with another that’s functionally the same just more targets

[vale pine]

bp got buffed ^^

[chrome palm]

Or just don’t press it and larp as a prio target class

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-wiggum-simpsons-hi-bye-gif-16529059407582436389

[heady garden]

It's the fantasy, pocket sand is boring

[chrome palm]

That’s fair

[lusty root]

4p day 2 😄

[willow pawn]

nothings changed talents wise in M+ right?

with s2 tier

[chrome palm]

There’s new builds you can do compared to s2

Most running tornado

[alpine wraith]

stacked boi

[chrome palm]

And you can potentially use dark brew in mass aoe centered dungeons

The shadow craft one is on the spreadsheet though

[hardy agate]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[toxic cedar]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[fallow nimbus]

is that 3 dh trinket simming correctly?

[swift tinsel]

Why wouldn’t it be

It’s good

[fallen crescent]

Almost there myself just need to grind today. Gz

[torn ginkgo]

How does 4 piece feel for those who have gotten it?

[jagged rover]

meanwhile we got almost all paladin/priest/shaman tier and I got none in my vault

hoping for some tier in the rest of heroic and that I can get something other than shoulders to catalyze

[cursive vapor]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[spice matrix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[severe vapor]

Do we still use shadowstrike as generator in AOE or shuriken storm?

[jagged rover]

shadowstrike in your dances, shuriken storm outside of dance windows

[tepid trellis]

@steel zinc told you so, both boots and the trinket

[alpine wraith]

MADE DIFF

we dropped 1 normal prism

went to dk

rip

will farm pvp trink tomorrow

[tepid trellis]

huh

why would they give to a dk

[bleak night]

spite probably

[tepid trellis]

its not their go-to trinket

[steel zinc]

I am in the split the other one got the normal one

hc didnt drop

[dusk stone]

bring back shadowdust

[void ocean]

does anyone know how to /ff key... 😄

[bleak night]

start calling your jungler slurs

[void ocean]

did that already, tnx, ended up permabanned since 2017.

[left ledge]

We got 0 zenith in my rogue split

[void ocean]

but for m+

[left ledge]

[modest river]

two on use trinkets viable?

[left ledge]

No

Two on use is quite terrible for sub

[modest river]

droptimiser being weird then

[left ledge]

The second on use would only be decent if it was a beacon like trinket

But you typically do not want two on use trinkets for sub

[dusk stone]

theres talk of 2 on use for raid atm

[left ledge]

Sure if one is a bacon

But if you’re going for a steroid trinket

You can use one in your cds

[plush roost]

Araz+prism was simming well but then they nerfed araz so who knows

[jagged rover]

it would have to be crushing the passive option for me to run double on use, I want no part of that

[fickle mason]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[upbeat escarp]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[dusk stone]

i believe its the on use hoc like trinket and then the 20s one with stacks

[tepid trellis]

0 in my rogue normal run so far aswell

[dusk stone]

1.5% dps increase over hoc like one and passive?

[tepid trellis]

just need 1 piece for 4set so surely the game doesent spit on my face

[left ledge]

Oh did you get vault

[tepid trellis]

ye

[left ledge]

I got hoed on vault

[dusk stone]

how you feel about sub in raid so far

[left ledge]

I want out of the s2 tier so bad

[tepid trellis]

shit

[dusk stone]

this with 4pc?

[tepid trellis]

no

[jagged rover]

yeah its ritual forge + netherprism, but I have no interest in that. I'd rather just run netherprism and something passive. Enough going on in fights to manage that I don't want to overthink on use trinkets during specific cd sets

[dusk stone]

i was not a fan of magnet last season myself

[left ledge]

You gonna end up playing fb sin? @tepid trellis

[tepid trellis]

probs

[dusk stone]

will the 16%+ not change anything, or

[left ledge]

This expac was just not it

[half remnant]

did someone check if using netherprism prepull leaves buff on start of combat?

[dusk stone]

i suppose better question is are the amps going to matter for us choosing to play sub on some bosses

[left ledge]

I think people brought this up before

Why would the amps matter so much for sub

The burst is good but it’s not like it is leagues ahead of anything

[dusk stone]

i mean i saw vexie last patch so yeah that's how i feel about it. i've also seen no sub rogues in RWF comps

[left ledge]

I mean fb sin is looking quite crazy for ST

[dusk stone]

that too yeah

[left ledge]

Sub needs some tuning but idk if we will see that

11% bp buff is the best we can get

[distant quarry]

Is the wrathstone playable with prism?

[jagged rover]

I played fb sin last night on the single target bosses, but I also don't want to play sin on something like forgeweaver or nexus-king

[hazy breach]

Yes play it just like forge

[dusk stone]

the 4pc prob matters in there somewhere if its an add fight but who knows

[steel zinc]

Does wounded posion work on nexus king

because doesnt seem so

[distant quarry]

It sims bad tho
but iguess it doesnt matter

[dusk stone]

can they really even tune us much for raid without breaking us in m+

[tepid trellis]

assa almost gets the same, so no

[dusk stone]

isnt sin 4pc flat 14? 16?% then our 4pc is 16% over last seasons 4pc

[serene notch]

Still unsure when to use ST, other then I avoid it during blades window? Can anyone clue me in when I should be pressing in M+?

[dusk stone]

we are gonna wear 2pc + 4pc?

[left ledge]

Ye sadly sin is just better tuned

[tepid trellis]

u cant

[jagged rover]

I just press it when its off cd outside of dance windows. In aoe its great for helping reset dances, and in single target its a bit extra CP generation during low phases

[dusk stone]

oh its just verbage

[hazy breach]

Needs kind of a janky APL fix, but this is compared to mythic maxed forge

So just use it

[dusk stone]

yeah i was like this set bonus looks cracked AF when i saw it, then i looked in sin channel and they said like 16% and i'm like ok.....

[jaunty heath]

we only swap talents when getting new tier or

[alpine wraith]

you can use the PE ones right now they are kinda neutral

[vale pine]

my only loot from normal clear

tho still nice

[fallen crescent]

Gz!

[hazy breach]

[magic ruin]

im hitting like a wet noodle in ST fights raid... feels bad

[lusty root]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using finishers ~10 seconds before your Flagellation comes up. This is to build up Shadow Techniques for your cooldowns.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[dusk stone]

Wait what lilly gives less mastery than hoc? 17 ilvls higher?

[swift tinsel]

Ugh that reminds me I gotta badge farm

[dusk stone]

so lilly 688 ilvl > hoc 671 by 26k HoC over an amount of time gives 8.6 vs 8.4 from lilly lol

[alpine wraith]

yea lilly does not scale that well

[fallen crescent]

why is my cold blood not activating from my macro 😮 it says spell not learned

[swift tinsel]

Fatebound bug

Relog

[fallen crescent]

oh my

[lyric cargo]

Exactly same as you got one set piece and prism its great tho

[bleak night]

i got that sigil trinket and a dagger, we only had one piece of zenith tier drop and it was a slot i have in vault

[jagged rover]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[bleak night]

im gonna do some begging for a curio when we go back and kill dimensius tomorrow though

[lyric cargo]

😄 DIm was such a cool fight tho

One thing I hated was that freakin knockback

other than that it was cool af

[stiff remnant]

can anyone show a screenshot of their damage breakdown in a M+? feels like I'm having trouble balancing SecTech and Black Powder

[lyric cargo]

Used Nimble on +5 targets sometimes as bad habit kicked in but BP is around 25 usually and more

[stiff remnant]

oh wow

[chrome palm]

itll change a lot with 4pc

[tight sparrow]

Rip subtlety mythic progression

[shrewd monolith]

!wa

[jagged rover]

well my sub sim is now ahead of my sin sim on single target. I'm sure that'll change once I get tier but its nice for now

[lyric cargo]

Well I am happy about my little prism so I had great raid today

Well dmg amps are good for us

but yeah Ass 4P is really good

[jagged rover]

hoping for a dagger from heroic nexus-prince tonight so I can take the neck out of my vault. Guild is also having me hold my craft so that we can hopefully kill mythic moth and see if daggers drop or not

[lyric cargo]

Was funny watching fist fight over HC antenna for us

[jagged rover]

I have the biggest number for mythic antenna, if they look at my sin stuff 😛 I did tell them in my note that I'll take sigil or antenna because of competition

[lyric cargo]

Well I just wanted my little prism from raid and I got it so I am also I took socket from vault so I was sad af

got 3 random delve trinks and 2 legs/1 ring from champ 😄 I was like WTF is this shit

[austere elm]

how do you use the Netherprism on SUB? just with every Shadowblades?

[lyric cargo]

at opener skip and either with 1st or second SB

depends if it is amp phase or not

[austere elm]

mhm, ty

[lyric cargo]

Its versatile so you can use it whenever you are in cds and you think its good time to use it 😄 esp with SB and Flag

[jagged rover]

if nexus-prince doesn't drop a dagger, I at least have this backup one. And if he does, i get a mastery/vers neck

[haughty mural]

I still have a hero shoulder tier in vault sitting till we clear heroic raid

Got nothing but daggers from normal unforch

[mortal hamlet]

Hey just wanted to ask why are some ppl palying the first dance on boss fights? is it just so you ahve a longer first shadow dance window?

[haughty mural]

Yes the burst from it is good

And weaponmaster sucks

[mortal hamlet]

i see thank you

[lilac pendant]

Maybe big stupid

But flagellation always with shadow blade right?

Why no macro it

[jagged rover]

check the sequence again, we always flag before shadow blades

[lilac pendant]

Why no shadowblade with shadowdancr

I think im fuking up the names

[dull wraith]

guys when exactly do we blackpowder? +2 targets or +4

[dusk stone]

3+ with FW think its 4 or 5 without FW

[coral pier]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

4 targets

[dusk stone]

is 1 button allowed in keys?

[short radish]

No. If you are caught using it you will be removed from this discord

[dusk stone]

not me

just did a key where a shaman did tank damage

[short radish]

Average start of season shenigans

[dusk stone]

i think you mean banned from wow

[short radish]

Nah just here

Honestly if the shaman is doing tank damage

Theyre not even using the one button rotation

[dusk stone]

i was wondering

[short radish]

I think the one button rotation is good for lfr

[dusk stone]

it was actually less than tank damage like half the pulls

[short radish]

Yeah because it should take aoe in account

[gaunt bluff]

just to make sure in big aoe we only use shuriken storm instead of shadowstrike to guarantee full cp for new 4pc effect?

[tawny yacht]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dusk stone]

you still shadow strike during CD's and when youre doing coup, press storm once to save procs for next coup

there's some optimization around finishers too for that

[gaunt bluff]

ohh i see

[pulsar hemlock]

[swift tinsel]

Yuge

[edgy zenith]

guys I might come back to Rogue, Shadow Priest has a bug that makes me wanna kms

tell me I should stay away

[fringe geode]

Oh yeah, come to the bugless class, where everything works as it's supposed to

[bleak night]

well rogue is notoriously bug free

so good choice

[edgy zenith]

yeah but rogue bugs don't RNG damage loss of like 10%

just a static 5% 🙂

[spice matrix]

nexus kind down 😓

[edgy zenith]

one is significantly more tilting

wow TFD is better in these like 8 minute boss fights, really?

I know WM is a meme, but that's surprising

[stoic reef]

guys

what enchant do we use

on weapons

[spice matrix]

at any point you press shuriken storm, TFD is better

WM pretty stinky

[edgy zenith]

what does shuriken storm have to do with TFD?

[spice matrix]

it has to do with WM

WM gets worse any time your generator is not a backstab or shadowstrike

if im wrong someone please correct me

[edgy zenith]

no that's right I guess

I just have never thought of any sub generator in terms of damage

they are just a means to an end

[dusk stone]

As far as I know the real bug is called 'rogue' and it never gets patched

[stoic reef]

man

the new 4piece sure feels good

[frail kindle]

does badge just suck or is it cuz you need to use the custom apl to sim double on use

[civic lake]

was just watching shindig's guide, im using the talents from wow head currently but should we or should we not be using TLD?

[short radish]

Use it

[civic lake]

hek ok

i will just copy his talents

[swift tinsel]

what's the other possible sub dungeon besides Dawnbreaker and Streets?

I'm blanking

[civic lake]

does TLD change anything rotationally? i assume no

[spice matrix]

with 4pc you can go TFD because we'll be storming between coups in SB

[short radish]

All of them

[swift tinsel]

well yeah that's my thought too lol

[short radish]

I hate it but black powder buff make big aoe kinda strong

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I'm coming around to it

begrudgingly

bc like gameplay wise whatever, you're pressing one finisher instead of another

but conceptually it's butt

[spice matrix]

dont shadowstep Dimensius 🙂

[cunning mist]

learned this the hard way

[swift tinsel]

Lol yup

the new gally step

or ansurek coup charge

[cunning mist]

pressed on on reflex, end up in the middle

[swift tinsel]

rite of passage

[cunning mist]

https://tenor.com/dnPhizrizU4.gif

[tribal blade]

tf i'm getting 403 forbidden trying to use wcl

i was on the website and then it suddenly gave me that

[swift tinsel]

weird

[tribal blade]

nvm restarting browser fixed it

[steel sierra]

Is the sigil trinket from the demon hunters a fair alternative to the loomithar trinket?

[civic lake]

how is sub in target swap scenarios?

i was playing sin last season and never had to swap so wonderin how we are at it

[jagged rover]

normal dimensius timings sucked ass, though if you have netherprism, you can hold to 3rd phase burn because the adds don't really need it

[hidden basin]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[swift tinsel]

yeah its good

[swift tinsel]

its great

we don't have any issues swapping

[jagged rover]

sending cds at 25-30 secs on forgeweaver feels great, perfect timings for cds into boss and last phase burn

[quasi mantle]

anyone got a weakaura for this fuckin footbombs i never notice when they spawn

[neon pike]

oh man, hero boots in the vault, or veteran tier pants

[lucid jackal]

tier >

[swift tinsel]

our tier do be bonkers

[spice matrix]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[neon pike]

oh wow, yeah it def is!

[scarlet radish]

What’s the opener like waiting for 30 seconds? Just send 1 shadow dance or just massage him with back stabs?

[vast plank]

anyone have aura for this trinket ? Unyielding Netherprism

[pastel quiver]

is there a caap for sub on Mastery/vers?

[somber zinc]

!guides

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[pastel quiver]

use wowhead no cap mentioned and just said was okay to use vers/mast/crit in unison and just focus on ilvl

[quaint orbit]

If we get a sht reset after the first coup in 4 piece do we still shuriken storm in between?

[jagged rover]

open with shadowstrike > rupture > dance + symbols > sectec, etc

then you can just get your dance charge back and do the normal opener at 25-30 seconds

lol good tier token

[civic lake]

we using black powder on forgweaver, or just numble flurry evis?

[jagged rover]

BP if you need the add damage/want to pad and there is enough targets

I mostly ignored them, except on one of the double sets spammed BP because we were falling behind

[ornate vale]

the macro with cold blood and sec tec still works?

[jagged rover]

yep, works fine. Been using it on another key myself

[ornate vale]

#showtooltip Secret Technique
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Secret Technique

says spell not learned idk

[pastel rampart]

relog

[jagged rover]

did you spec into fatebound at all?

if so relog

[swift tinsel]

no

[ornate vale]

yeah was playing fatebound sin