subtlety

[bleak night]

but only once at worst

[knotty depot]

two separate macros ?

[lucid jackal]

no

/cast blades
/use 13
/use 14

forge in 13 prism in 14

[still anvil]

for the time that i only have prism i might keep it on a separate keybind for flexibility, because i guess getting forge will probably take a bit longer

[lucid jackal]

The issue with "flexibility" is that unless your prism omega stacked, forge is just more value on a CD set

Forge and prism has synergy within each other where prism doesn nothing on pull, and forge is a huge on use trinket thats weakness is that it's desynced with our real CD

Being able to alternate between the two is important for the other tbqh

[warm marlin]

if you count the agi you would have from a passive trinket in the place of forge it’s not that bad

[fringe palm]

30% forge nerf next week

[lucid jackal]

Im unsure what ur getting at

[keen dome]

It can drop from her delve invasion form apperently

[warm marlin]

90s Prism + passive trinket gives more agi on a cd set than forge does

[vale pine]

Agi increases your burst during prism, which forge adds a diffrent dynamic. Think thats what he tries to highlight

agi trinkets have a lot of their power in the main stat, so the on use effect is secondary

[shut jay]

Outside of trinket/CDs, we're gonna be tickling bosses

[warm marlin]

Double on use trades having agi on opener and a bit bigger 3min prism goes for weaker windows (when you use forge) plus not having whatever your passive trinket gives you

[void raven]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[still anvil]

i was just talking about the (in my opinion very realistic scenario, because of loot competition) of only having prism and not having forge

[merry agate]

Is it different now?

[still anvil]

because in what universe do i get forge before the others

[fringe palm]

Maybe if you ask nicely

[still anvil]

im already away for half of the 1. and the entire 2. week, i think im using up all my goodwill already

[shut jay]

Unironically we might need another 5% buff.

[keen dome]

Tell them all you are getting it first and act like it's happening.

[steel zinc]

pvp

[round latch]

@vale pine a way avatar of shadow could look

but stupid blizz doesnt listen

[vale pine]

ye

i think blizz should lean more into the "shadow" theme

[steel zinc]

Sub Rogue should be the ninja in the game

Kinda like Batman

[round latch]

[warm marlin]

beautiful paint image since i explained badly before, but basically forge gives less stats than prism + passive does if you stack prism for 90 seconds (i.e. use on cd), while also not benefitting from actual passive part of the trinket and ignoring the fact that forge primary stat decays. so the statement that forge is more value during a cd set is not true, double on use only sims marginally better because having stat on pull is good

[merry agate]

67k agi do be bussin tho 🙏

[warm marlin]

if theres a dmg amp at 4min ya but prism + passive can do 74k agi at 3mins

well

[lucid jackal]

Hmmmm

Good point

[warm marlin]

it can also do 4mins if you just cd 90s instead

[alpine wraith]

2 on uses make lots of fun things to happen

[warm marlin]

and then everything gets cursed with shorter kill times

double on use seems omega bad with a 3:30 since your prism stacks get used on a regular dance, forge + passive means not having a trinket at all for 90s blades, prism + passive has nothing on pull

[lucid jackal]

What's the nutty setup then

[warm marlin]

playing dk maybe

fb assa with 3min prism for execute dm maybe has potential

[sour forum]

playing first dance makes sense to have forge for opener

[warm marlin]

forge+passive probably the best option for a 330 ngl, be maghar too and line them up. cry during 2nd blades

[sour forum]

how many classes have that prism as bis? and how low are we on the totem pole, thats the question

gonna rock that lily for a while

[merry agate]

Cant believe im saying this but...

I miss Transmitter 😭

[keen dome]

Jump three times

[limpid sage]

based on bloodmallet, it only seems like it's mm hunter and ww monk

which makes sense since they're also very cd centered

[bleak night]

tell the ww to fuck off and go get a lily

prism is mine and mine alone

[limpid sage]

ww has lily, forge and prism tied basically

[sour forum]

RL is hunter, its over

[limpid sage]

we have 2x marksman as well D:

[carmine portal]

I disagree, Ninjas "irl" were masters of using their surroundings and tricks, Sub should be about harnessing darkness and using the literal shadows around you to harm others

[warm marlin]

also since i havent seen anyone mention it yet, it's probably worth tracking the icd of prism somewhere. energy outside of symbols is so sparse that your backstabs sometimes come out only every 4-5 seconds or so. if you delay your proc of prism for that long you're not going to have as many stacks going into cds as you could

probably a bit cringe to do

[leaden prairie]

[rocky ocean]

[bleak night]

[alpine wraith]

actually it is kinda

you get used to it

[sour forum]

isnt it like 10s?

[alpine wraith]

yes

but if you delay it 3 seconds

3 times

oh you just lost 1 stack

[sour forum]

what are the chances u press nothing for 10s

[bleak night]

well

[alpine wraith]

that is not how it works

[bleak night]

its more likely you dont press something for 3 seconds

3 seperate times

like hacha said

[alpine wraith]

it is because the energy and global would be the same in x time

but one gives 2 procs

another gives 1

wonder what is better?

[sour forum]

oh i see what u mean

my bad

[alpine wraith]

also encounters are finite

[warm marlin]

not like you have much better to do during backstab soup anyway

[hollow spear]

Whenever I see Ryldd come up with a new discovery I die a little inside

[alpine wraith]

say there is a 460 secs encounter

there is a total of lets say 40 stacks you get

[bleak night]

finally gameplay outside of cds

[alpine wraith]

losing 4 of those

is already 10%

[warm marlin]

unlucky

[alpine wraith]

meanwhile me trying to make pvp tinket get used just after prism but have enough time for next set of cds

and everything kranlging

[warm marlin]

you can see this happen in sims btw

im not sure how i would even go about making it play around prism icd

[hollow spear]

Mister raid lead, I am sorry I missed the soak, but I had to backstab to optimize my trinkets icd

[alpine wraith]

we did it way back

when trinkets had icd

there should be a way

[hollow spear]

Nothing against you of course. Your findings make perfect sense. It's just that they're cursed

[carmine portal]

some things are better left undiscovered

[keen dome]

Real good info: I hate it

[carmine portal]

perhaps you dug too deep like dwarves

[alpine wraith]

not really it is fun to optimize

[limpid sage]

compared to playing around tier stacks last tier, tracking the icd on the trink probably feels better

[warm marlin]

nah i know lmao but i would rather know about such things so that i can play around them rather than get griefed having less prism stacks sometimes

[keen dome]

Ye, way better to know about it than not.

[limpid sage]

it's only really outside of cds that you have to mind it

[hollow spear]

It's like darkest dungeon

[keen dome]

It's just lol rogue

[hazy breach]

Doesnt rupture trigger it?

[hollow spear]

Oh

[alpine wraith]

would be neat

[hollow spear]

Interesting

[alpine wraith]

havent checked

[sour forum]

Eleem to the rescue

[bleak night]

eleem saving the day

[warm marlin]

not on this ptr dummy

[hollow spear]

Good thought. Let's check and find out it doesn't. So that we can feel let down again.

[bleak night]

[warm marlin]

it does proc sometimes when autoing (much like pacemaker)

[hazy breach]

Ok then, unluck

[sour forum]

wdym "sometimes"

[hollow spear]

Despairge

[alpine wraith]

the proc on autos might be the thousand cuts

[sour forum]

[alpine wraith]

or poisons wonder which

[warm marlin]

that was my theory before

but idk

[hollow spear]

The bottom line is

[warm marlin]

there is some background shenanigans going on that can proc "ability" usage

[hollow spear]

ICD tracking is back in town

[limpid sage]

try playing without things that proc on autos to single out the rascal

[warm marlin]

when i was testing pacemaker and just autoing a dummy it would randomly proc like 7 minutes in sometimes

spaghetti code deep inside somewhere

happened on this ptr dummy a couple minutes ago

[hollow spear]

Ryldd, please use your time to make Goremaw happen. Thank you 😚

[tepid trellis]

99% sure poisons do

[hollow spear]

Do what? Proc trinkets?

[tepid trellis]

nertherprism

[clever delta]

Forge is vault angle so dont need to cook it much

[tepid trellis]

it is indeed poisons

just double checked

[warm marlin]

okay ya it didnt for prism but for this it does

saved

[tepid trellis]

avg proc i got was around every 11-12sec

just from autos

[warm marlin]

well saved a bit

[tepid trellis]

thats without SnD active or skyfury etc

[limpid sage]

prob still worth playing around when you're waiting for backstabs

[tepid trellis]

so it should just "play" itself

[warm marlin]

probably very small to force it so you dont really have to track it

[alpine wraith]

so force it outside range with shuriken toss

ok

[shadow lance]

If I wanna vault try hard tomorrow, set > trinket > socket, do you agree?

[bleak night]

they just nerfed all the good delve trinkets so idek if that would be worth lmao

[shadow lance]

When I say trinket, I mean Lily

[bleak night]

would just be champ track

[warm marlin]

i got 16 stacks autoing over 3mins (also with no buffs) so it does proc fairly often on its own

[bleak night]

would rather just farm it myself

[shadow lance]

Crap yes

[limpid sage]

ye socket > champ track item

[shadow lance]

Forgot it was champ and not hc

So Set or socket

[hollow spear]

What are you talking about

Just manifest a tier item

[bleak night]

real

im even going to get 3 different slots of hero track tier so i can pick whichever one i end up needing

[hollow spear]

Or you can be like me and get 3 boots and 3 capes

[shut jay]

3 tier shoulders

[hollow spear]

it's a choice still

[shadow lance]

Set/tier same shit

[limpid sage]

I swear if I get boots and capes in vault

[shadow lance]

We say "set" in french , dunno if ut works in English tbh

[bleak night]

ye we knew what you meant

[shadow lance]

Cloak isn't lootable this tier

[shut jay]

cloaks shouldn't be a thing

[limpid sage]

oh that's nice to know

[bleak night]

im still gonna somehow get a cape

[tepid trellis]

18 stacks just autoing

[bleak night]

open vault on reset and its bugged and drops capes still

[tepid trellis]

id say it plays itself

[warm marlin]

💯

[limpid sage]

ye ok and that's without snd even

[hollow spear]

need ICD tracker to shuriken toss during downtime

[vital ocean]

!cbug

[wicked jolt]

Cold Blood bug:
A common issue when switching between Assassination Fatebound and Subtlety is that Cold Blood stops working, this problem is solvable with the following step:

• Relogging.

[molten lantern]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tight arch]

Do i always save one dance and symbols for coup?

[tepid trellis]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using (non maintenance) finishers ~10 seconds before your 90 sec cooldowns come up.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[tight arch]

so outside of that I can send coup natty if i dont have dance or symbols for next like 15s

[merry agate]

best wow prediction i ever heard 😂

[hollow spear]

I think I should send this to my loot council without context

Just to let it marinate

Meet often, meet early!

[alpine wraith]

ehehe

[tepid trellis]

outside of close to your major cds, you just rip it whenever

[short radish]

wait @warm marlin does this mean we have mandatory 1 gcd every 5 seconds now?

[hollow spear]

Auto attacks proc it, so no

[tight arch]

Thanks homie ❤️

[short radish]

safe~

[peak jetty]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[warm marlin]

like colo said doesnt seem like you need to track it

backstab soup away

[short radish]

nah im auto attacking

[warm marlin]

i respect it but backstab at 7cp is kind of goated

[short radish]

power move or something?

[warm marlin]

huge unseen blade procs

even huger backstab damage

[alpine wraith]

aura farming for sure

[graceful crown]

huge gameplay Pog

[exotic meadow]

Not sure yet to play sub this season or assa
What do you say guys?

[short radish]

youre in the sub channel

so sub

[alpine wraith]

always sub

[shadow lance]

Accurate answer

[alpine wraith]

big burst

[shadow lance]

I'll play both tbh

[exotic meadow]

Always difficult to decide whats stronger in raid😂

[graceful crown]

sub

[shadow lance]

Depends fight profile

That's why I play both

[exotic meadow]

So how u decide ?🤔

[wet idol]

u decide to play both

[graceful crown]

and sub

in fact u play 3 rogues

[sacred yarrow]

inside you are 3 rogues..

[void ocean]

i feel like in most cases its outlaw vs assa+sub

[vale pine]

lol

[shadow lance]

I need burst at specific moment for adds spawn or damage amp? Sub
I need cleaving all fight long ? Sin DS
I need sustained ST? Sin FB

[zenith thorn]

for sub do we use black powder in more than 4 or more than 7

[hollow spear]

You want burst? Sub.
You want cleave? Sub.
You want sustain? Sub.
You want survivability? Sub.
You want fun? Sub.
You want to not play sin? Sub.
You want to not play sub? Unsub.

[zenith thorn]

opener using evis

?

am i stupid

[wet idol]

4 now

[zenith thorn]

gotcha so ignore the opener sequence for now?

[wet idol]

image just wast updated

[zenith thorn]

ah

[wet idol]

consider it says less/more than 4 targets

[zenith thorn]

makes sense

[vale pine]

oh, i need to change it to 4 instea of 7 targets

i forgot to do it yesterday

[zenith thorn]

npnp thanks guys was just confused

[vale pine]

will do later

[exotic meadow]

Ah ok ty for the info

And why we dont play cold blood anymore?🤔 im kinda confused to play tea with sub

[zenith thorn]

ty boss

[raw wadi]

Its not that much extra gear to play both

[vale pine]

2, or well 3 things

[short radish]

!tea

[wicked jolt]

Thistle tea use:
It is recommended to macro Thistle Tea with Shadow Dance like this:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```

[shadow lance]

Explained in pin I think

[vale pine]

secret techniques is soft target capped at 5, so it kind of falls off with more targets

then there is critical strike

[void ocean]

we used to have sims for 2-3-4 targets also included in the sheet, I liked that 🙁

[shadow lance]

On wowhead**

[vale pine]

due to the higher amount of overall stats, we will use mroe crit

just to spread stats more between mastery/vers/crit

in addition to that

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using (non maintenance) finishers ~10 seconds before your 90 sec cooldowns come up.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[vale pine]

^ we will start using storm in dance with tier set

so we have more chances to trigger find weakness

both devalues rotten

hope that explanation makes sense

(also... i nearly forgot)

(bp also got buffed)

[alpine wraith]

and not by a bit

[wet idol]

when did they made that change ?

[vale pine]

thats not a change

[wet idol]

was always the case ?

[vale pine]

yes

[wet idol]

Thought I missed something

[vale pine]

i mean it should be 8

but its 5

[alpine wraith]

we though it worked until 8

but blizz did an ehehe

[vale pine]

you can consider it a bug or not depending how you think about it

i would say its a bug

but unless e.g. on ct

where it clearly states a target cap

and the cap in the tooltip is wrong because ct is 8 not 5

we don't have any indication whats the supposed cap is on subtlety

[exotic meadow]

Ok
I do we have any logs or something to have an example for this shuriken use?🤔

[vale pine]

i think you confuse things now

[tame terrace]

do we swap off old tier for 2p?

[vale pine]

shuriken storm use in dance

is an optimization

it comes from the tier set buff

^

[vale pine]

yes, get the new 4p asap

[tame terrace]

aight

[exotic meadow]

Aaaaah i got you now sry was confused😅 now i understand thanks

[vale pine]

this does not need to be storm as a filler, you could use shiv too for example

but storm has the positive side effect of spreading find weakness

[vale pine]

don't worry, thats what we are here for

[carmine portal]

ZEN OMEGA MONK MODE postponed I am getting flashbanged by a rare sunny day that's hitting my home office

[vale pine]

and also to confuse you further sometimes

[carmine portal]

38% 3rd pull today

🙇‍♂️

[exotic meadow]

Another question about trinket when do we chose ritual forge / prism?🤔 depends on time or something else also

[solemn lodge]

are any of u guys gearing a fresh alt?

outside of being carried by friends im not quite sure what to do

do i just buy gear off ah

[shadow lance]

@vale pine your ability to give explanation will prolly make me 100% switch to sub instead of going in and out sin/sub

[alpine wraith]

big

[cosmic fossil]

what is non maintenance finisher ?

[short radish]

snd/rupture

[shadow lance]

Rupture/snd

[cosmic fossil]

ty

[shadow lance]

Damn

[short radish]

out apm'd an outlaw player

😎

[cosmic fossil]

that was so quick i thought i triggered a bot command xD

[short radish]

[hollow spear]

Our quota aussie is probably on his 6th red bull rn

[jaunty heath]

Whats the fastest delve atm, doubt its fungal folly with it being the fishing thing this week

[vale pine]

it depends on the play thats up

[alpine wraith]

ok tell me if it is confusing a bit or colours suck

[leaden prairie]

https://wago.io/n8EvNRbYY

[hollow spear]

Haven't even zoomed in, but colours suck

[alpine wraith]

yea i suck at coloring

[hollow spear]

But I'm a colour snob

[alpine wraith]

would purple yellor something be better

[short radish]

please use pastel colors

[alpine wraith]

just tell me the 3 that you think would fit best

[short radish]

(this is the exact feedback that i was given by my boss when i used those colors)

[alpine wraith]

no idea what pastel is apart from cake in spanish

[short radish]

1sec

[jaunty heath]

holy fuck delves weakaura

[hollow spear]

I'd scrap "short explanation" too, it's kinda redundant

[jaunty heath]

i hate that this is usefull

[short radish]

those colors

[leaden prairie]

its a tier list also

so its very meta

[alpine wraith]

these?

[hollow spear]

Much better

[short radish]

yeah way better

[bleak night]

much easier on the eyes

[hollow spear]

My retina instantly healed

Somewhere in Marketing/Design?

[hollow spear]

Hacha's sheet could use some consultancy treatment

[alpine wraith]

for sure

[hollow spear]

Same info, prettier package haha

[warm marlin]

I do believe prism passive will gap every other combo past 5mins

[short radish]

hacha sheet is like "heres a ton of information, throw it against the wall"

but yeah i had the exact same feedback when i made a spreadsheet template a month ago

[alpine wraith]

yea kinda

[hollow spear]

You're overestimating our attention span

[short radish]

those colors look so hard to look at my eyes hurt

[hollow spear]

My go to is blue and grey

[alpine wraith]

you can say gap but i raise you my 0 antenna procs in dance

for 5 mins

[rose parrot]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using (non maintenance) finishers ~10 seconds before your 90 sec cooldowns come up.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[warm marlin]

Unlikely with 40% uptime

but possible certainly

[alpine wraith]

dont worry rng finds a way with me

[hollow spear]

I'll use all my luck on vault

Nothing left for trinkets

[alpine wraith]

and well cosmic hunter is also very good but also getting it on M will be hard

[warm marlin]

Hope I get funneled a belt asap so I can get rid of the variance machine 9000

[alpine wraith]

so likely we will be double trinket gamers for a bit at least in my case

yea big sad we need like a M track belt

[short radish]

yeah well finishers have a 15% to remove winning stack but for some reason when im at 8 stacks before flag it's 100%

[alpine wraith]

and boe M are like 4 weeks in

[alpine wraith]

or when you forget to use dance for 1 finisher in between

GOTCHA

[rose parrot]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[alpine wraith]

but yea if anyone wants to super beautify the sheet im willing to even pay

although idk

[rose parrot]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[warm marlin]

can't relate

[short radish]

i'd help but my spreadsheeting is limited to financial models and general ledgers

[solemn creek]

I saw a cloak drop from.m0.. so this is 1000% possible

[alpine wraith]

i dont touch spreadsheets much

[short radish]

what the fuck is that 1:10 to 2:10

holy shit

[alpine wraith]

that are not full of numbers or schematics

where order is krangled anyway

[runic trail]

The urge to bail on my raid team is rising. We're doing splits. At WR 1500 or something

I didn't sign up for this

[alpine wraith]

i mean it is not wrong to do splits

but also yikes

[short radish]

i think w2 splits is okay at that level

but not w1

[hollow spear]

I can't even do the splits

[short radish]

unless youre raiding 5 days a week or something

[warm marlin]

@short radish bandit, gallywix

[runic trail]

2 days a week

[short radish]

no wonder you get r1 all the time

[rose parrot]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[alpine wraith]

2 days a week is hard to do splits with

unless you put 1 extra day

[short radish]

bro youre going to be doing splits that are 7/8

normal

[runic trail]

Yeah idk the rationale behind it

[alpine wraith]

if you can you should is what people think

but also

[warm marlin]

i think i did a bit of rupture gaming the tier set in those logs

[alpine wraith]

zzzzzzzzz

[warm marlin]

of course my memory is gone now but def a little bit of gaming i think

[runic trail]

But I got threatened with the bench because I said I wanted to keep my druid unsaved for the drunk social raid

Sir, please, this is RFWL

[void ocean]

Forge is decaying to 0 during those 30 sec, right?

[runic trail]

Why are we doing this?

[short radish]

RWFL guilds smh

[runic trail]

If I wanted to sweat I'd join a non RFWL guild, LET ME STAY IN MY LANE

[alpine wraith]

forge decays in 30 secs yes

[void ocean]

yea, but to 0, right? not like 40k to some other value then buff is gone

[alpine wraith]

think it was a %

[rose parrot]

Hello!
Do you have to use Coup inside Sd window? I often end up with coup charge outside sd.

[alpine wraith]

so it does not end at 0

kinda logarismic

not like irideus

[void ocean]

logaritmic is good

[alpine wraith]

more like ashes

im at work but someone can check in the ptr maybe

[void ocean]

i will

[alpine wraith]

and see if it loses every sec or 2 secs

[void ocean]

it drops to 0 over 30 sec

loses around 1.3-1.4k every sec

so its linear

[alpine wraith]

that might be better for us

[void ocean]

well

logaritmic > linear > exponential 😄

[alpine wraith]

ye would have loved if it only lost a %

[void ocean]

30 seconds means that our 3rd dance sneaks in, right?

[alpine wraith]

wonder if it is worth to sac the first sec tech if only using forge and get that third sec tech

with more agi

guess it depens on rng

[void ocean]

without s2 tier set stacks its only FF stacks vs more agi

could be

[past marlin]

why are sub rogue sims low? will sub rogue be bad in raid or what?

[alpine wraith]

we will have some bosses

but overall nothing extraordinary

a good thing is we do a lot with little

like tier set alone is 30%

prism also big and wep first week

[past marlin]

assa season again

[hazy breach]

3.33% decay every second (aka 1/30)

[void ocean]

ye

[hazy breach]

So a maxed one that has 40900 stats at the start decays by 1350 agi every second

[alpine wraith]

yea we just wanted to find out if it was of total or remaining

was of total

case closed

[hazy breach]

But im convinced theyre gonna nerf it again, so we probably wont have to play it

[alpine wraith]

it would be funny if they nerf it again

and buff some others

cosmic hunter stonks

[hazy breach]

Surely 90% of all specs having antenna and forge as their bis is intended

[void ocean]

is Prism gonna be popular with other classes?

[alpine wraith]

blizz saw mop and say hey that is a cool expansion for trinkets

(everyone using same 3 trinks every raid kinda)

[hazy breach]

In sims not at the moment no

[alpine wraith]

at least they woke up last raid and class locked some

until they learn they hold cds sometimes

[void ocean]

pog

[alpine wraith]

then we are cooked

after some people update shit

[hazy breach]

But i think some of them are gonna end up playing it anyway because not all fights are 5 minutes long with BL on pull

[alpine wraith]

moving cds power to another phase is also

omegabig

[void ocean]

tomorrow pvp trink, first hc kill prism, then fish for forge 😄

forge for dinars 😄

[alpine wraith]

like imagine if everyone had prism on bandit

BRRRRRRR

[hazy breach]

I dont think forge is gonna be the play on most bosses for us

[past marlin]

will be nice season?

[hazy breach]

Its probably gonna be fine

[vestal escarp]

Yeah the weather is alright most of the time

[keen dome]

Bit hot, tbh

[tulip gorge]

we'll probably get a buff after rwf

[alpine wraith]

the important part is watching what happens first week when you see rogues with 4 set prism and 720 weapon

cooking

then 4 weeks later

[limpid sage]

does pvp trink beat myth HoC?

[alpine wraith]

fighting with aug

yes

[hazy breach]

Theres a ton of damage amps this season so

[alpine wraith]

but you need to upgrade it

[limpid sage]

:(

[alpine wraith]

dont worry carved crests are free kinda

[past marlin]

bottom of list again

blizzard cooking

[alpine wraith]

unlikely we are bottom

[hazy breach]

Were 100% not going to be bottom in the raid stats

[void ocean]

bruh its patchwerk sim 😄

[alpine wraith]

because of amps and moving dmg from place to place

[void ocean]

calm down 🙂

[hazy breach]

I dont expect us to be at the top

But its absolutely not at the bottom

Theres tons of damage amps this season and sub has some of the highest burst in the game

[alpine wraith]

we also can snipe adds

[hazy breach]

And if you dont have BL for the amp subs burst is a lot stronger than other specs

[shut jay]

don't worry, we'll average 4.2m ST average on fights

[hazy breach]

While with BL up were doing about as much as the other highest specs (unholy is probably slightly higher if they get PI but...)

[past marlin]

or just play fatebound assa

or unsub xd

[keen dome]

have you looked at the difference between those two in your dumb list, though

[alpine wraith]

you wont be happy as fatebound assa on many bosses

let me tell you

[past marlin]

thats good

[alpine wraith]

although idk what is worse dealing with DSM

or having your coins go nucko to useless targets

and other shit

[past marlin]

chill guys i just hate class balance

[hazy breach]

But also for keys all 3 rogue specs are really strong

Assa is probably the strongest spec in the entire game

[crystal bone]

could that be why we maybe dont see as many buffs?

because we already perform well in keys

[past marlin]

i don't wanna play outlaw in raid, and now after this list they want me to outlaw in my guild

[vale pine]

blizz rarely balances around m+

so unlikely

[hazy breach]

[keen dome]

Guild sounds real bad, lmao

[past marlin]

yes xd

[crystal bone]

i just find it odd that we're at the top of keys

well actually nevermind

cuz bottom of sims means nothing

[alpine wraith]

well rogue does a lot of dmg standalone

just remember people woke up to raid buffs

i still see some people play with rogue tho

we do some cool things

[crystal bone]

im glad i raid on the weekends

i get to see all the logs and farm some gear first

[shut jay]

hopefully we wake up to a surprise 45% BP buff

[hazy breach]

Eviscerate buffs is what i would want, but im not expecting anything

[shut jay]

Its astounding we haven't seen tuning for any of our ST abilities since... I actually forgot when the last ability tuning was

[tulip gorge]

buff deathstalker so it's the best ST build

[alpine wraith]

evis buff has been one of the things we want

[vale pine]

secret soft cap 8 would be nice too

[alpine wraith]

maybe they touch the forbidden code and bp gets bugged again to work fully from shadowed on all targets with FW

[limpid sage]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[warm marlin]

Hopefully it takes most more than 2 weeks to figure out how to maximize the damage amps so we get that sick post rwf buff

[upper cosmos]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

i will be hard at work with you guys to scramble our brains

and teach those people the brain power of subs first 2 weeks

strongest brain spec

[warm marlin]

Perhaps the hoc nerfs and having a very strong tier set will help too

[alpine wraith]

i mean day 1 you can get pvp trink and upgrade to 691

[warm marlin]

Most won’t have 4set early and unlike s1->s2 our old trinket is bad

[alpine wraith]

then eventually 701 even if you dont drop lilly

if you get 2 trinks

getting 2 set will be kinda free too

4 set may be rng for people without splits or at least some luck in vault

but if i was you i would riot to get some normal or HC curios

[warm marlin]

I’m talking about for wcl statistics

[alpine wraith]

oh our statistics will depend a lot on the highrollers

as we dont have much population

so it will only take like 100

of us

to catapult us

[warm marlin]

I think sub is in a decent position to be bad early on

[bleak night]

I will be playing sub on several bosses to help bring the average down

[alpine wraith]

people without prism and bad luck

[warm marlin]

Your service is appreciated soldier

[alpine wraith]

or sandgabbing not crafting dagger etc

[warm marlin]

yeah who would do that haha

[alpine wraith]

or straight up being nuts and playing 2 passive trinkets

because they rank high on mallet or whatever

[lilac stag]

Just get the int dagger that yoinks you out of stealth.

[sullen hare]

Use a mace as an offhand as a treat

[lilac stag]

little too obvious. may raise an eyebrow or two

[bleak night]

Non rogues have literally no idea whether sub can use a slow oh or not

Ez sandbag

[crystal bone]

every1 parse green this week

surely we will get buffs

[keen dome]

Can do 🫡

[crystal bone]

we'll call it

operation greenie

[keen dome]

Totally going to parse green to help out

uh-huh, no other reason

[fleet wharf]

Is there any fight that sub won't be particularly good for in the raid? I'm thinking maybe Fractillus and the DH council fight we may want to be DS assa?

[crystal bone]

[bleak night]

You won't want to play deathstalker on council if you value your sanity

[alpine wraith]

yea was about to say

council as assa in general seems good

[carmine portal]

Too fkn hot here where I am in the UK so decided I should actualy do some work instead of Kyveza -.-

[alpine wraith]

but then you play it

[keen dome]

Wouldn't you wanna cleave on council anyway

[keen dome]

it is way too hot

I'm writing my raid notes for tomorrow and it's TOO WARM

[fleet wharf]

I thought the extra energy would help with DS, didn't really think about target swapping

[carmine portal]

I'm in the southwest, 30ish rn

Too sunny to see my screen, too hot to close the windows and blinds

cringe

[fleet wharf]

Isn't FB pretty poopy for 3 targets though?

[crystal bone]

if ur able to sit on one target its probably pretty great

[keen dome]

same

[crystal bone]

or very minimal target swapping at best

[keen dome]

It's way too fookin' hawt

[carmine portal]

there's only room for ONE sub rogue in the city I'm in so you better be elsewhere

🕵️

[raw cave]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[hollow spear]

How long does eu maintenance take usually?

[crystal bone]

looking to hire blue guys for mastery buff this week

[alpine wraith]

EU is rng

most of the time it can be up at 6 AM or before

but sometimes it takes up to 11

very rarely tho

[steel zinc]

thats 9/10 times

like thats been the cast since df

I always grind m+ like 6am with a group or like 7am

[alpine wraith]

yea the other 18 years

things have been kinda diff

[steel zinc]

true yes but those days are over

[alpine wraith]

but as you said recently they are good on eu

i cant remember las time we got krangled

apart from being in one of the cursed servers

like draenor

[steel zinc]

we lit have 0 maintenance

yeah but in this decade its been fine

Is it this week or next week where we can get the free hc chest from endboss quest?

[alpine wraith]

you mean the craft?

or weekly do 4 dungs

[fleet wharf]

Storymode, I think that takes a few weeks

[alpine wraith]

it will take a bit because it was recently

or wait let me check

[steel zinc]

crafting from the story chapter

[alpine wraith]

next week

[keen dome]

Story mode'll be next reset, ye

[alpine wraith]

and by next week i mean this one

[keen dome]

Which is kinda funny since Gamescom is on the 19th and will reveal midnight before a lot of people have seen the raid conclusion stuff

[fleet wharf]

like the reset of the 12th or 19th?

[alpine wraith]

12 or 13

we do last 2 chapters and kill dimensius

[fleet wharf]

nice, too bad we can't really use it for a while though

[solar ermine]

Why not? Craft bracers or so with it?

[fleet wharf]

you likely want to use the spark for dagger craft this week

[solar ermine]

Ah forgot about the pesky spark

[fleet wharf]

I think we can get our second spark this reset though right? because you can get 2 natty, get the 3rd from quest, and the weekly reset gives you one more?

[solar ermine]

I dont think we have 2 Full ones this reset

I only have one full spark and i did everything

[limpid sage]

think it's 1.5 spark

[lilac stag]

It’s 1.5 unless they do an extra via quests

usually 2h weapon enjoyers are screwed week one of raid though.

[fleet wharf]

Huh, the dorn quest doesn't give you another half spark anymore does it

[lilac stag]

We have 1 full spark this week. Likely a half on reset

[bleak night]

just wait for someone to abuse a bug to get an extra spark

so we all get given one

[solar ermine]

Like last Patch?

I dont get why they just dont make it so everyone has 2 First week of the season. Poor 2h users

[lilac stag]

They’re not very good at their job when it comes to logic and keeping players in mind

[keen dome]

They could also make 2H weapons just use a single spark instead of two

[lilac stag]

and how are 1h crafting a shield, book, oh weapon with 1?

[keen dome]

[lilac stag]

legit just need 2 sparks week 1 of mythic

[keen dome]

Ye

[lilac stag]

Or season start

[torpid silo]

when i send all the cooldowns, i get the first dance back, so should I use a third dance ? (even if flag and blades are over ?)

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fleet wharf]

THere's some wiggle room there. I think it's a decent idea to do the 3rd dance right away because there's like 3 seconds of flag left.

[shadow lance]

And you're still under potion effect

[fleet wharf]

That's actually a good point. I'm guessing once we get Prism, we won't pot on pull

[torpid silo]

and when blades and flag are on cd, i see if i can use a dance but if the cooldowns of flag+blades and dances line up and i won't have time to get a full dance back, do i just sit there autoattacking to get my shadow techniques stacks ?

[fleet wharf]

General rule of thumb is you want 1 charge of dance and about 40 seconds left on cd for dance at a minimum going into your flag/dance combo. If sending another dance will put you below that threshold, yea you just BS

[torpid silo]

1+40s

got it

[fleet wharf]

LE's WA got a estimator for you if you're still using teh WA

[torpid silo]

oh, you BS + evis even if you lose shadow techniques stacks ?

[torpid silo]

where ?

[fleet wharf]

you can stop sending evis around 10 seconds in now with 4p?

should show up next to flag

[torpid silo]

next to flag is blades

[torpid silo]

wdym ?

[fleet wharf]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using (non maintenance) finishers ~10 seconds before your 90 sec cooldowns come up.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[fleet wharf]

That's the new rule essentially. Until it gets to about 10 sec before, you can send evisc while maintaining rupture

[torpid silo]

ohhhhh okay

so 1dance +40s left on the second,
stop evis 10s before blades

got it got it

thankss !

[torpid silo]

so what does that mean xd

[fleet wharf]

so it tells you if you do nothing, how many dance and symbol charges you'll have when flag comes off cd

[torpid silo]

oooooooooooooooooooohhhh

[fleet wharf]

but it can't see the future so doesn't take into consideration what your CDR will be

but knowing what those numbers mean should help you estimate how many dances you can send without screwing your flag/blade window

If you're starting out, I think it's not a bad idea to be a bit more conservative because like 70% of your damage comes from the flag/blade window

[torpid silo]

thats so useful damn

[torpid silo]

i"ll do that, thanks !

[solar charm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torpid silo]

what's the evis icon on top left btw ? is it finality ?

[fleet wharf]

!fw

[hazy breach]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[hazy breach]

^

[fleet wharf]

hmm i dont remember the command, but it lets you know how many targets within 8 yards have FW debuff and what finisher to press

[torpid silo]

ohhhh okay yeah
i removed that one cause i was scared it would make me lag x)

[toxic topaz]

Blessings on your vaults fellow yellow class.

[swift tinsel]

It doesn’t use the cpu-heavy WA functions so it shouldn’t cause any

As long as you have find weakness visible on nameplates it just reads those

[crystal bone]

can any1 tell me if the trinkets we used were tuned? i can't see wowhead at work lmao

[hazy breach]

Not yet no

[short radish]

to answer your question

no

[lyric cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-say-bleh-gif-26378492

[crystal bone]

[hazy breach]

Theyre not gonna nerf prism anyway

Just a question of which of antenna/forge they nerf the most

[lyric cargo]

well antenna is bis for almost all classes which is wild

[swift tinsel]

my money is on antenna

[hazy breach]

Well so is forge

[crystal bone]

antenna is 2nd boss?

[swift tinsel]

yea

[vale pine]

some delve trinkets god buffed according to it

biggest change overall

[crystal bone]

i see i see

[stoic pier]

Is this FW tracke still good to follow? Since the buffs on BP and so on

[carmine portal]

@keen dome think I'm giving up, can't seem to get anywhere near 7% again

[keen dome]

Very good attempts, though.

[crystal bone]

talking about ?? kyveza?

my best attempt was 50% in 15-20 pulls last night lol

i assume cheat death doesn't work if she executes at 10%

[coral lily]

Sub kinda bad without new gear? Even my 10ilvl less frost dk sims more then my rogue.

[short radish]

yes

because fdk is busted

[carmine portal]

i dont even want to guess how many pulls I've done

embarassing amount

Okay actually I've looked @ it

less than I thought

[swift tinsel]

nope, run elusiveness and it helps a lot

[crystal bone]

brann is the most frustrating thing about that fight

he either bugs out or puts healing pots in africa

[swift tinsel]

yep he will sometimes just ruin a pull for you

[crystal bone]

[carmine portal]

Ngl he's been pretty flawless for me outside of where he throws his potions

Maybe lvl 66 brann just isn't enough for me, saw some ppl have lvl 80+

Im also only 670

My main issue is just timings, I get to 50% just fine but then things start to misalign, sometimes brann has no potions for the suck/face the clone phase

[void ocean]

whos flawless?

[carmine portal]

Brann

[void ocean]

mate...

[carmine portal]

"for me"

[void ocean]

i know, but still.. 😄

[carmine portal]

I've even tried making dead brann tank her autos bcus tricks still works whe he's down

🫡

[vale pine]

think that speaks for frost dk more than subtlety

[swift tinsel]

you can kinda bait the potions before the suck phase so they're in good spots

bc both are on timers

[carmine portal]

I have the timers displayed with a WA, maybe I'm just dogshit (no maybe about it)

[short radish]

make sure you're using mind numbing poison

[swift tinsel]

you usually get a potion set right out of the guessing game

but if he gets screwy they'll expire in the middle of the suck

but that means you get a new set when the suck damage is the worst

[stoic pier]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[coral lily]

My ele with unoptimized gear is simming 600k more and guildmates arcane mage 700k.

[vale pine]

haha

[alpine wraith]

it is what it is sometimes

[rocky ocean]

[coral lily]

my friend just posted me his demo lock sim. He sims 1mio more then me 😄 I mean i dont mind i still enjoy the specc and will play it, but this gap seems kinda big..

[junior bronze]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[vale pine]

it will take a bit before wcl has enough data

but clear outliners will be shown quick

[alpine wraith]

it will be silly when you see details of demos with 2 augs and forge + new weapon etc

vs us rogues

of course logs are diff and wont be that much of a difference but still

[dire pulsar]

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404534249985413140/subtlety.webp

[native zodiac]

@vale pine out of curiosity on that pic, shouldnt the crystal trinket from dawn be marked as good?

[vale pine]

hmm i thought i changed that

well can still do

moment

[cloud rover]

The Stat prism is funny

[crystal bone]

looks like every dungeon has 3-4 upgrades for us

except gambit

but gambit also has the only good boot

excluding raid

ofc

[ivory jacinth]

and the sigil aswell no? its a bit worse than antenna but not by much

for me it even sims higher

[void ocean]

just same across my mind that I dont have to stress anymore about accidently firing a finisher between 2 dances

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

yea cosmic sigil is quite decent

[haughty mural]

It does not give agi right ?

[ivory jacinth]

kinda weird that Dimensius trinket is so bad though

its quite disappointing

[ivory jacinth]

yes it gives agi

[alpine wraith]

dimensius trink is kinda like sark one

wonder why they didnt make it good ye

[vale pine]

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404827257477795963/subtlety_2.webp

[vale pine]

alright

[cloud rover]

THe Date is wrong

heheh

[ivory jacinth]

thanks a lot Fuu 🫶

[cloud rover]

Is it me, or are the Soulhunter boots in the Ring row

[alpine wraith]

yea they are

[vale pine]

oh shit

haha

well time to open photoshop again

[cloud rover]

Also change the Date

[alpine wraith]

free QA gotta love it

[short aurora]

We can date if you want

[cloud rover]

I already have a date today Im sorry

[void ocean]

https://cdn-prod.medicalnewstoday.com/content/images/articles/322/322548/dry-dates-on-a-wooden-table.jpg

[short aurora]

Im gonna watch your gear ilvl closely again if you gonna be ahead of me again im applying to your guild since rogue eating good in your guild apparently

[cloud rover]

Well 100% Attendance and being the lone Rogue has its Advantages

[short aurora]

Lootcouncil advantages

[void ocean]

not in my guild 😄

i tick the both boxes

[cloud rover]

Well being in the Lootcouncil and being an Officers helps also

But also got a lot of gear before being that

[vale pine]

!loot

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404829981074526238/sub.webp

[vale pine]

alright should all be fine now

😅

[iron plover]

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1404829981074526238/sub.webp

[crystal bone]

look at all that juicy loot that unlocks in about 3 hours

[drifting fable]

what is that

just important pieces u want?

lol

[plush roost]

Its like good stats/things to look for

Esp if youre not using the robot

[cloud rover]

You mean in 15 Hours

[plush roost]

Eu OmegaLOL

[crystal bone]

[drifting fable]

awesome you want nothing from dimensius

[cloud rover]

Without the EU, America wouldnt exist

[drifting fable]

cant wait to beta test

[alpine wraith]

remember to wait 1h to open vault

you dont want to alpha test

[winged kernel]

so

sub single target is worse then both other specs?

D:

[crystal bone]

on a 5 minute target dummy, sure

[winged kernel]

how are we looking with the old tier set vs the other specs to start off the patch?

[steel zinc]

For na yeah

[swift tinsel]

Lol 550% cursed idol damage buff

[steel zinc]

For eu it's w/e

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[steel zinc]

Is that good now?

[torpid silo]

do we play around the 4 backstab into a big generator thing ? (i forgot the name xd)

[alpine wraith]

might be better than lilly for st

[alpine wraith]

no PV is useless

dog talent

[torpid silo]

got it xd

ty

[tender frost]

550% buff to the dam active woof

[alpine wraith]

it did not do that much dmg anyway

[tender frost]

yea 723 version says 300k

so like 1.65 mil now

not bad

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[tender frost]

maybe evens it out with lily still doesn't touch netherprism

[haughty mural]

One is passive, one is a on use

Dunno about the comparison

[swift tinsel]

think they're talking about idol

[haughty mural]

Oops

[fair stump]

Heyo guys, how are we faring on M+? I didn't play on season 2 but played on season 1

I heard something about a physical and a magic comp?

[steel zinc]

Just play game and do dmg. Alle 3 rogue specs can play in most comps except -1 World first keys

I would argue you can get with all 3 specs in s3 title

[fair stump]

Yeah its just that my group of friends want to make both a phys and a magic comp

[swift tinsel]

sub and sin poised to do well

[alpine wraith]

rogue only does damage sadly

[fair stump]

Becausd they like those small optimizations

[shy scarab]

#showtooltip cold blood
/cast cold blood
/cast secret technique

[alpine wraith]

so we dont fit with the people that do dmg+buff the party

[fair stump]

So I was wondering where should I join

[shy scarab]

does this macro not work anymore?

[steel zinc]

For week 1?

[alpine wraith]

although assa and sub have very high dmg

[shy scarab]

tried to use it, doesnt look like it uses cold blood

[steel zinc]

Week 1 any spec can time +10 keys if you have decent gear from s2

[alpine wraith]

do you have the macro on your stealth bar¿

[fair stump]

Yeah, our friend is debating whether to go for a phys tank or a magic tank (dh or monk)

[shy scarab]

yea

[steel zinc]

Like player dif is more impactful then a comp for a meta that doesn't exist

[fair stump]

And I'm unsure where does sub go since we do shadow dmg too

[alpine wraith]

sub gets more dmg from monk and monk will do crazy dmg

[swift tinsel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

but vdh is very good too

actually both buffs are almost the same

[steel zinc]

He should play what he likes to play.

[alpine wraith]

but keep in mind dps warriors are down bad

so likely most people go for warr tanks

[fair stump]

That's what we've said but he insists on going either one since he is fine with both

[steel zinc]

98% of players perform better on sth they enjoy and like

[alpine wraith]

yea they just dont get invited

but dont worry i will invite you guys if i see you on lfg

[steel zinc]

Like it really doesn't matter what you play. Have fun gaming with friends in m+

[swift tinsel]

same when I'm on my shaman and I see a sub rogue in queue

[alpine wraith]

gotta spread the love

[swift tinsel]

you get a skyfury, you get a skyfury

outlaw left outside tho

they know what they did

[keen dome]

They need to release night elf shaman

My buddy won't play Shaman until they do

[haughty mural]

What level are you guys playing ?

[steel zinc]

I am playing with shaman for 3 days m+

[fair stump]

They want to push 3k just like last season

[steel zinc]

He is now my best buddies

[shy scarab]

whatabout me

[fair stump]

I've told them that meta only matters for top 1% but he insists on going either magic or phys comp

[steel zinc]

Then play double tank double heal to make it fun. 3k is like not much

I did 3k on my mage

I barely binded all keys

That should say a lot what 3k is

Like it's omega irrelevant what you play for 3k

[shy scarab]

you will eventually outscale the keys, so 12-14keys are memes

[haughty mural]

Just tell him to go monk and be done with it if he insists

[steel zinc]

I feel for you having a tryhard casual group

They should just focus on fun and gaming

[grand wyvern]

People enjoy whatever they enjoy, minmaxing is not just about performing better, some people find it fun

[glacial kraken]

@fair stump play survival hunter

[steel zinc]

It's fun but it's like saying gotta make some strats for lfr

[grand wyvern]

I mean sure but who cares?

[steel zinc]

It's not relevant and focus should be not on comp but individual improvement of skill

[swift tinsel]

its relevant to them if that's what they want to do

[tender frost]

lily is not a passive

[lilac stag]

you can do both, improve on skill and try to get an easier time in keys

[tender frost]

oh you were looking at energy drink

[lilac stag]

but it’s all gonna change with another round of tuning

[swift tinsel]

ye its a path-of-least-resistance thing, even if the resistance isn't that big

[haughty mural]

But energy drink

[tender frost]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

I hope my beloved caffeinated drink comes back

[tender frost]

Kinda weird that all delve trinkets are super bad this season

[alpine wraith]

not really the void one is very good

for m+ and even some bosses

[tender frost]

ahh its not implemented on bloodmallet my fault

or rather none of the delve trinkets are

[alpine wraith]

well mostly it is because you get stacks from mobs deaths

[fair stump]

I only like survival hunter for pvp

[alpine wraith]

and for ex 1st boss of ecodome spawns so many

or second in halls of atonement

basically you get a proc per add phase for free

and never forget you can pull some extra shit onto big bois

funnel trink you heard it here first

[stoic pier]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

Think imma usher in the new season by doubling my ram too

[carmine portal]

Btw did we ever work out what casued Assa FB to break Cold Blood?

[swift tinsel]

16 to 32gb

[carmine portal]

And is it still borked?

[swift tinsel]

Driving around gives me something to do during maintenance lol

[tropic latch]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[lilac stag]

Cursed Stone Idol buffs. We’re so back!

[jagged rover]

no I don't want it to be better. I hate trinkets with a cast time for a buff

[clever delta]

mm play netherprism now, gg

[crystal bone]

sappucino dooming.gif

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1402281360772698132/meme.gif

[solar ermine]

Does any1 have a WA that remembers you to press symbols After a wipe or at the start of a key?

[tepid trellis]

i get more dps from it than our hunters so its

[keen dome]

Subtley is purple!

Geting annoyed at the cold blood issue on fatebound -> Sub though.

Blizz, fix!

[clever delta]

i did not check that

[swift tinsel]

https://wago.io/1N-_8fnRf

[clever delta]

that they were sandbagging and released new sims

[keen dome]

I should make one that just progressively makes more cats appear the longer you don't press supercharger...

[swift tinsel]

this would be so goated

[keen dome]

I spent today re-working my WA's to be a lot.. cleaner and less cluttered.

[clever delta]

yeah i just checked and it was like 5% for me and 3.3 for them