subtlety

[hazy breach]

Still cant really get it to be worth to use it cds

unless

You play without shadowcraft, then its good in cds

[short radish]

i'd rather take 4% dps loss than play tornado

[fleet wharf]

You only use tornado when you're out of CDs to farm up your SD faster right?

[glossy turtle]

quick question. When it comes to using new talents and changing rotation. Will that only be the case, after we get new tier set?

[hazy breach]

Sim really likes using it on pull to spread ruptures before cds

[hazy breach]

Can use it now if you want, doesnt really matter

[fleet wharf]

doesnt tornado builds drop replicating shadows though?

[hazy breach]

Not necessarily

[hollow spear]

Sim doesn't know that I mess up my mouseovers and apply rupture 3x on the same target

[hazy breach]

But yes without replicating you would use it outside cds for cdr

[glossy turtle]

ah okay thanks. is the rotation much different? I quite liked the one we had in s2 🙂

[haughty mural]

🤝

[hazy breach]

No, nothing changed

[short radish]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using (non maintenance) finishers ~10 seconds before your 90 sec cooldowns come up.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[short radish]

minor min/maxing

but yeah largly the same

[hollow spear]

We're not using finishers anymore. Some big brain from the forums came in here and convinced our tc that sub is not a finisher spec.

[glossy turtle]

great. is that the same when it comes to aoe?

[warm marlin]

I did get the shuriken storm thing to work after sectec btw

[hazy breach]

Wdym

[warm marlin]

Casting it in st not just between coups

[hazy breach]

Ah

[warm marlin]

But after sectec if you would waste a blade as well

[lilac stag]

Sim doesn’t know to delete tornado

[warm marlin]

I think it doesn’t sim great because of find weakness actually

[hazy breach]

But idk in my head the best use for nado on aoe is with coup active so you dont need to storm inbetween and waste blades

Like nado > sectech > coup > coup sounds good

[glossy turtle]

interesting. when it means we dont need to use non maintenance finishers. does that mean that its just better refreshing ruputure instead?

[warm marlin]

If you do flag rupture backstab (don’t proc fw) sectec storm coup coup you’re like 7 globals deep without a shadowstrike

Bit rng to have fw up for the coups

[hollow spear]

That's why you get lucky and proc fw close to flag during your backstab soup

[hazy breach]

Could add a check for fw for the backstab but

[warm marlin]

I do have it in my own apl

[hazy breach]

Could you link it

[hollow spear]

Are you on your nihilsm arc, Eleem?

[hazy breach]

Not really

[hollow spear]

You sound like sim has disappointed you too many times

[hazy breach]

The aoe stuff in sims just doesnt make sense to me

[hollow spear]

I could make the change, but sim will not care

Sim treating our tc like an indifferent partner

[hazy breach]

And because it goes against what i feel it should i just say "sim says" because otherwise some rando is gonna qoute my ass and say im stupid later on

[solar ermine]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[warm marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cJnDmVRgfcEtDR1whspr9P
holy moly huge gains! (fixed the gear so number looks more like expected)

side note is there a way to detect if coup is ready without using this 2 part condition

as far as i can tell action.coup_de_grace.ready doesnt detect the 4p proc

[hollow spear]

Ryldd bringing the gains

[warm marlin]

the huge 0.2% for tracking disorienting strikes

im sure this will be used widely

[hollow spear]

Trenbolone has nothing on him

[alpine wraith]

another one i found is using sec tech dry

then tornado for cdr

[steel zinc]

what did you change?

[alpine wraith]

if you ahve coup ready

and enter dance

sec tech

storm

coup

[hollow spear]

Does that sim include predisorienting, Ryldd?

[warm marlin]

yeah and the custom opener and stuff

[hollow spear]

"only" 50k higher than fuu's version?

Surprising

Nvm, 70k

[alpine wraith]

not bad

i have been trying a later use of trink to get the 2 sec techs if triple dancing

but sadly sim krangles some of them

namely the 1:30 one

[warm marlin]

instead of only storming between coups, allows storming (still only in blades) if you would waste an unseen blade that you know is present from disorienting strikes

[alpine wraith]

and 4:30

[warm marlin]

and if you havent already used storm for danse stack

[alpine wraith]

yea like going into cds with coup

but that one does not happen as often because he have quite a bit of sht

[steel zinc]

nice big

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ba1yXxxdEuWEX4JohHJ8km

Thats fuu sims just turned on pre disor

its 100k

[hollow spear]

Weirdge

[steel zinc]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pikjWcaP2xXXhqjUdUDTui

original and above just turned on dis

[short radish]

speaking of low % chances.

[hollow spear]

Why does it outsim Ryldd's custom sim

[steel zinc]

idk

[short radish]

not that it matters much but opening vault as assi/sub gives 0.4% higher chance to get tier from your m0 dungeon slot

than outlaw

[steel zinc]

I did nothing fancy just turned on dis strikes

[hollow spear]

Ryldd, your sim isn't a 100 parser

[warm marlin]

am noob

[steel zinc]

true

[crystal bone]

yuge!

[hollow spear]

Maybe old reshi wraps?

Can't be probably

But that's where fuu's sim suddenly got some dam

[steel zinc]

fuus sim is from yesterday

so idk

[warm marlin]

well my custom one is built on an old version of the apl

[steel zinc]

I just edited the header to include the dis strike stuff

[warm marlin]

it prob is missing some of the newer stuff

for example new fuu is playing double on use

[glossy turtle]

for m+ now. do you wanna spread all your ruptures to stack up flag?

[alpine wraith]

yea there was a prism+ another on use optimization

[steel zinc]

true but thats like 10k

[clever delta]

Surely we got forge

I checked our loot spreadsheet and literary everyone want it

[alpine wraith]

think it is more of a hc/normal get for some special bosses and m+

although m+ has the void trink that is very good

[tribal blade]

forge is only playable if you have a 2nd on use trinket right

[alpine wraith]

yes

although well

[tribal blade]

double on use bleh

[alpine wraith]

it is still good standalone

just 1% behind

[clever delta]

Everyone wants antena as second trinket too

[tribal blade]

ah gotcha

[alpine wraith]

my recommend is prism+cosmic hunter

then antenna and forge if you manage to get them

[warm marlin]

shoes were using the ptr version that didn't have an effect

[tribal blade]

my sim is preferring cosmic hunt over antenna with my current gear set

[alpine wraith]

between the cold hands of all the other raiders

yea depends if you have more crit/vers

and you might expect

[swift tinsel]

Passive agi plus cleaving damage that grows as hp gets lower

[alpine wraith]

dmg trink more dmg

hurr

[clever delta]

Yeah that's my plan too

[alpine wraith]

the execute grows a lot too

[tribal blade]

oh i just realized i simmed with like 26% crit, belt set to crit and low vers

[alpine wraith]

as i explained you get 160% extra dmg on 20%

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I’ve been a sigil fan all ptr

[tepid trellis]

think ive spent maybe 5 hours on ptr

4 of those was making wa's

[alpine wraith]

i was hitting lots of dummies

[tribal blade]

i spent 0 hours on ptr because i was hard sweating making title

[clever delta]

Poor dummies

[tepid trellis]

i only go ptr when stuff actually changes for my class

[swift tinsel]

Still need to get that double UB sound WA to work

Brain too smooth

[tepid trellis]

make it read the combat log

[alpine wraith]

problem with UB

[swift tinsel]

I did but it’s not a unique event for the double, it’s just two of the same events in quick succession

[alpine wraith]

is that it can lag quite a bit

[vale pine]

Hmm, i have a stupid idea

[tribal blade]

i was thinking about making a WA to text to speech how many stacks of escalating i'm at, but it's kinda obnoxious

[alpine wraith]

i also though

but i didnt deliver

[tepid trellis]

yeh just only have it ping for the sound if 2 hits within .9sec

[alpine wraith]

when i got a double proc for it to tell me current stacks

[tepid trellis]

thats how id do it

[vale pine]

idk how useful it would be, but would a gearing helper/guide be something people want?
Basically a image showcasing where you can get the interesting loot pieces.

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that’s what I’m trying out but I don’t know how to code it myself, I got the custom code from Buds in the WA discord but it’s still not working

[haughty mural]

Double on use sounds horrible to use without dust

[tribal blade]

i do want some kind of sound alert for escalating though

maybe someone smart can make a good one

[tepid trellis]

can even do it off the buff from escalating

[empty canyon]

I think it's a good idea, but wont people just look at bis lists and ignore it?

[tepid trellis]

i think

[lilac stag]

summon LE

[vale pine]

hmm

[swift tinsel]

Something with the etrace args

[vale pine]

i may already created a first version

[void hound]

probably, people obsess over this kind of stuff

[tribal blade]

i made one earlier today to TTS at 3 stacks, but it would play on reaching 4 stacks for some reason

[keen dome]

I think it'd be useful. Clear and concise information on common stuff.

[empty canyon]

I mean I would enjoy it

[void hound]

queue up the reloe tweet

[keen dome]

Show us the first version, reveal the effffoort

[tribal blade]

big true!

[lilac stag]

Set it for two

[empty canyon]

and use it, but when I play new classes I just copy the BIS list when I go hunting for gear in general

[alpine wraith]

i always kinda tell the alternatives but yea

most people will railroad to the sim

[tribal blade]

i actually tried that too and it still only played at 4

i dunno what i did

[lilac stag]

Hmm

[alpine wraith]

same we too lesser brained

[steel zinc]

forge hc is bait

lit pvp trinket is better

idk why people are so hyped about it early gearing

[keen dome]

big numbers

[alpine wraith]

pvp trink is very good

you can even double trinket it

with prism

[steel zinc]

yes and that is better

[tribal blade]

honestly might get funneled prism by my guild, it's a huge % increase

[swift tinsel]

Here’s the code if anyone wants to mess with it

CLEU:SPELL_DAMAGE

function(states, event, ...)
  if event == "COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED" then
    local _, subevent, ......, sourceGUID, ........, spellID = ...
    -- lookup wiki for correct args
    if sourceGUID == WeakAuras.myGUID and spellID == 441144 then
      local now = GetTime()
      if aura_env.last and now - aura_env.last < 1 then
        states:Update("", {
          duration = 3,
          expirationTime = now + 3,
          progressType = "timed",
          icon = C_Spell.GetSpellTexture(spellID)
        })
      end
      aura_env.last = now
    end
  end
end

[steel zinc]

you will get prism after fdk got theirs

[tribal blade]

shit you're right

[lilac stag]

eleem says it sucks. I will still ride into the get it tomorrow pvp war chest farm.

[haughty mural]

Good thing we got 2fdks this season

[steel zinc]

like nothing special

[vale pine]

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035163024480276640/1404434027632394292/gearing_v4.jpg

[haughty mural]

[steel zinc]

we might have 2

[alpine wraith]

it is not stellar but better than HoC

[keen dome]

I like the layout a lot.

[empty canyon]

I mean

that's a great flow chart

[lilac stag]

we have three DKs on the roster.

[alpine wraith]

kinda good

[keen dome]

Showing which boss drops tier sets is really good at a glance.

[haughty mural]

What do WWs want nowadays ?

[swift tinsel]

To reroll

[lilac stag]

a spot in raid

[empty canyon]

I understand your intention with it being good loot, and then colors for trinkets and tiers, but I think people will look at it, not read and just assume only raid drops good gear

[vale pine]

[haughty mural]

We have also 2 of those

[crystal bone]

nice i will use this

[keen dome]

This is really helpful to like, glance at and go "oh if I do X I can aim for Y"

I like it

[haughty mural]

Our setup is so cursed right now

[fleet wharf]

I think the Bis trinket border is a bit hard to tell apart from tier set one

[vale pine]

hmm maybe

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that graphic is a great at-a-glance resource, big fan

[empty canyon]

I will say it's wonderful to look at everytime I enter a dungeon

To know what I hope to drop

[leaden prairie]

WOOOOAAA

[keen dome]

I think Froggy has a good point there

[lilac stag]

We’re sitting at 28 and they ended up recruiting melee for some ungodly reason.

[leaden prairie]

fuu thats quite cool im ngl

[alpine wraith]

yea beast

[lilac stag]

idk if they’re just friends of people we recruited last tier or what

[empty canyon]

I think you can do like, a little bit of a different color code, so it's very easy to tell at a glance

[keen dome]

I think it might work better if you simply had a "Good" and "Tier" selection, and dropped the "BiS" part entirely.

[empty canyon]

I am not sure what the solution is, I am just saying it takes a little bit to realize what im looking at

[keen dome]

'Cos I think people fixate on BiS too much, and simply chasing the good stuff is often a better thing to do than chasing pure BiS.

[steel zinc]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r3h4sVaXf9HL8qk1Um9RGC

Pretty op trinket since you can get pvp trinket 100% and forge you will not get except vault as rogue

[vale pine]

ye, can do

[keen dome]

And ultimately just being able to go "Okay so ths dungeon has a load of good items in" is really helpful

[chrome palm]

I think crystal of anub should at least be blue, its a really solid trinket from dungeons

[empty canyon]

But it's damn good information really easily understood, even at a glance

[steel zinc]

crystal is really good ngl

for sin and sub

one trinket covers both specs

[keen dome]

strong agree.

[leaden prairie]

fuuuuu

[vale pine]

ye, good feedback

[leaden prairie]

waht if you gave us the layout to do the same for outlaw

uwuuu

[chrome palm]

same for the passive from eco dome is similarly strong imo

[empty canyon]

you just need that last bit of information to be quickly understood as well

[vale pine]

sure

[alpine wraith]

time to cook the APL for pvp trink

[warm marlin]

assa/sub are supposed to steal from outlaw not the other way around bozo

[lilac stag]

Are we actually running Ascendance over eye?

Or lense

[short radish]

unrelated but my sim feels wack

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/igQditqKmiXBXGi64LSHta

It says crafted dagger (without embelishment) is better than mythic dagger 3 ilvls higher

[swift tinsel]

Iirc ascendance is usually the prog st play and lense is good all-around

[short radish]

did i sim something weird?

[chrome palm]

outlaw shadow dance

[lilac stag]

6 minutes

[alpine wraith]

ascendance is if you also go assa

[vale pine]

alright so:

• remove BIS entirely
• add the echo dome passive trinket blue border

[haughty mural]

Yea same they just kept recruiting melees

[vale pine]

any changes else

[empty canyon]

Yeah I think that's very good

You can call it like

[haughty mural]

And I was despairing watching the whole process

[empty canyon]

Gear worth targeting

[keen dome]

Yeah, that's good

[empty canyon]

(still sim) or something

[leaden prairie]

bro it would be so cool if you could embed stuffs in discord where you could mouseover for more info

like i so wanna mouseover the pieces

[alpine wraith]

yea imagine

[leaden prairie]

to see what they are

[keen dome]

A guideline of what's worth targetting, rather than a BiS list. Like a "Hey go run this to get good shit" and it's a useful starter guide.

[leaden prairie]

it would go crazy

[swift tinsel]

Dude that would be so sick

[chrome palm]

i didnt think there was a ring from taz without haste on it

[keen dome]

And then having a quick glance of tier in raid is nice

[empty canyon]

Next quesiton is, why is there greyed out loot?

[chrome palm]

i think the wowhead database was lying

[alpine wraith]

sadly discord does not let you wrap things

[empty canyon]

what does that mean?

[chrome palm]

ill check

[short radish]

just make each piece an emoji

[alpine wraith]

because they all become attachements

[swift tinsel]

Ye would save a few droptimizer sims lol

Still gonna do my nightly pre-raid droptimizer tho lol

[lilac stag]

They recruited a rogue. No idea what they’ve done before. I said should I get the warrior (we’re still missing one). NOOOOO

I’m in prison. They threw the key away and took my pick lock kit.

[leaden prairie]

ye i tried looking into it cause i wanted that for talents

but ye

[vale pine]

yes, this one

[leaden prairie]

discord dont let you do shit

[empty canyon]

Is the grey loot possible loot you dont want? is it then worth to put it in this like "at a glance" loot overview

[leaden prairie]

unfortunate

[vale pine]

i can't add links to images

on google sheet

because that was my initial idea

[leaden prairie]

its look that drops

[empty canyon]

if you think it has value, as it can be changed to tier loot as we get more charges, I see the value of that

[alpine wraith]

there was a way to do it way back with WEBPG

[empty canyon]

So keep it

[alpine wraith]

but i dont remember how

[hazy breach]

Wowhead is wrong

[empty canyon]

if you dont think it has value, remove it

[alpine wraith]

maybe you can look into it

[chrome palm]

i dont think this is in the game

[haughty mural]

We got a last minute warrior (1 of our tanks rerolled)

[keen dome]

Darn

[chrome palm]

crit/hast and vers/hast

[alpine wraith]

just slam the dawnbreaker one

[vale pine]

oh, yikes

[lilac stag]

It’ll be interesting to see what the roster looks like in 3 weeks

[alpine wraith]

or actually boe ring

[empty canyon]

god I might go sub this season instead of assa

[alpine wraith]

with mastery heavy spread

[vale pine]

time to remove it

[empty canyon]

very tempting

[chrome palm]

taz has like no good loot for rogue

[keen dome]

do it

[vale pine]

or is it

[chrome palm]

for sub at least

[alpine wraith]

or was only belt that had all the stats

[vale pine]

from hardmode?

[warm marlin]

surely the boe vers/mast ring is cheap af

no one will want that

[alpine wraith]

lets pray

[warm marlin]

or the full vers boe ring

[alpine wraith]

i mean it comes like week 4

so unluck

[keen dome]

🙏

[lilac stag]

Does priory have the vers/mas ring?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[keen dome]

Yeah, Mastery heavy one

[haughty mural]

Yuh - somehow all of our locks rolled away for whatever reason
We’ve got one emergency warlock now

[hazy breach]

Idk theres fuckload of rings and necks this season

[chrome palm]

whatever remains of my dignity will be gone if i secure the vers/mast boe ring funds from my guild

[empty canyon]

I am excited to see the next update if it Fuu, brb gotta cheat in this online learning class my work rquires

[lilac stag]

I forgot where mine dropped this week.

[alpine wraith]

not super heavy but some

[keen dome]

Third boss drops it

[alpine wraith]

priory/dawn

are the good rings

[keen dome]

It's counterpart in S2 was the ToP ring which was Versa/mast

[warm marlin]

dawn vers/mast, priory mast/vers

[alpine wraith]

unless we want crit

[hazy breach]

Crit is fine too

[alpine wraith]

yea there is a crit heavy one too

[hazy breach]

Literally anything that doesnt have haste is fine

[crystal bone]

!up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[lilac stag]

I wonder if crafted shoulders ends up being a play

[vale pine]

exactly

[keen dome]

Been wondering about this too

[alpine wraith]

crafted shoulders enable double dawn

but i also still cope blessed grip is good for m+ at least

will use lense for the time being tho

[lilac stag]

I have double lense right now

[keen dome]

Tazavesh has crit/mast ones

[alpine wraith]

i have lense+vers

[lilac stag]

Since that “scales”

[alpine wraith]

i recrafted grip->lens

[keen dome]

Double lense 'cos i'm lazy

[alpine wraith]

i also have to remember to change enchants

to mastery/vers

or crit

on wep

[lilac stag]

I wouldn’t recommend shoulder since you may get tier there, but longer term maybe

[alpine wraith]

think this tier i will just have a st more heavy set

then the mastery one for dung

[lilac stag]

I’ll just use my st set in dawnbreaker and call it an expansion

[alpine wraith]

we are very good in eco dome

when double boss gets dizzy

or last one pops the 3 bois

pop cds

go IN

also sec tech snap on first boss to end the career of the jumpy things

[keen dome]

I really really like Eco Dome's boss design

[lilac stag]

My desire to do anything mythic + wise is sub zero

[keen dome]

It's a fantastically tightly designed dungeon imo

[leaden prairie]

i dont

cause why tf is second boss going imune

for litteral 30s

[keen dome]

I agree that the immume is dumb

[leaden prairie]

before damage amp

like

xd??

[keen dome]

That's the only thing I'd want to see changed. it's bornig

[alpine wraith]

it is so you can build sht

literal sub boss

[leaden prairie]

like

im already getting punished cause i dont have cds to send

[alpine wraith]

going into amp with 14 sht

[leaden prairie]

on damage amp

[alpine wraith]

and everything ready

[warm marlin]

rng on the last boss mechanic was a bit cringe

[indigo current]

hi guys, quick question

[leaden prairie]

but also i cant do damage cause its imune //

[alpine wraith]

what rng is there on last boss?

[indigo current]

wowhead talents are up to date?

[warm marlin]

ghost spawns

[alpine wraith]

you mean having 2 shadows on on big pop?

[hazy breach]

Its not even a real amp, its just 2 targets being up at the same time

[warm marlin]

no their literal position

[leaden prairie]

ye and they share damage

call it whatever you want

damage window cd

thing

for cd people

[alpine wraith]

well as sub it is not that big of a deal moving

[keen dome]

Double trouble buddy damage window

[rapid forum]

they should be, did you spot something weird?

[alpine wraith]

remember we move fast in dance

and even vanish

if you dont have sprint

[rapid forum]

otherwise check pins, fuu made s3 pin with builds

[alpine wraith]

you can also vanish shroud kekw

[indigo current]

nah just wondering cause i see thistle tea is back and ive been playing with cold blood

[keen dome]

Haha

[indigo current]

for aw hile

got used to it

[alpine wraith]

yea for m+ tea is good

[keen dome]

Final boss reminds me of FF14 style design.

[rapid forum]

st is cb no tea i think

[indigo current]

ye thats what i thought

[leaden prairie]

First boss is a bit boring

[hazy breach]

You just macro tea to dance anyway

[leaden prairie]

Also the area is too big

[hazy breach]

And forget it exists

[indigo current]

gonna run m0

see how it feels

ty

[leaden prairie]

Why I gotta run up to it for years

Dude is in a raid boss room

And it's just a random worm

Tf

[alpine wraith]

final boss is FF14 boss yea

[hollow spear]

Shouldn't your apl like the double on use even more?

[alpine wraith]

likely the dot 1 shots you anywy

so cant fail anything

[keen dome]

Yeah it's huge. Do we drop goop to slow the adds during the succ, or is it pretty whatever? I've done it a few times but not really paid attention.

To if they get slowed or not, that is

[leaden prairie]

ye

[alpine wraith]

you have to kill them

[keen dome]

Ye, I know

[rapid forum]

on high levels yes

[leaden prairie]

i think it will be more important in higher keys

[alpine wraith]

you slow them so they dont get fast

[rapid forum]

and you focus them i assume

[alpine wraith]

but you can just knock their asses back anyway

[keen dome]

Makes sense, that's what I was assuming if they got slowed.

[rapid forum]

hard to gauge from m0 since everything flops over

[keen dome]

yeah

[rapid forum]

but i would assume it matters more in higher levels

[leaden prairie]

Well

From ptr

[warm marlin]

ya prob cuz on pull burst is higher

[alpine wraith]

ideally everyone is together and there is a pool where you can railroad them

[leaden prairie]

It wasn't that hard to kill them in 19s even

[alpine wraith]

they are very trashlike

[leaden prairie]

But you do have to swap

[keen dome]

Yeah

[alpine wraith]

before you had 3 spawns so it was harder

but now you can just stack

and they fall over

[leaden prairie]

you had 3 spawns?

[alpine wraith]

yea it was silly

[leaden prairie]

before wehn

[alpine wraith]

like day 1 or 2

[leaden prairie]

im like quite certain i did it day one

i dont remember

hm

[alpine wraith]

maybe you killed them anyway

as you said they have noodle health

[keen dome]

Excited to see the pug routes in that dungeon and how much random trash they manage to pull

[alpine wraith]

likely you will pull a lot on the easier parts

and just skip others

but they also put 100 invisible walls

so it might be annoying

[warm osprey]

!macros

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[keen dome]

Yeah, the cowards.

[vale pine]

the one i linked is on raidbots for some reason. Unsure where they take the information from. I removed it from the list for now tho

[solar ermine]

In aoe when my SnD expires, do i just weave in an Evis or do i not care?

[hazy breach]

It shouldnt expire, as your coup de grace refreshes it

[short radish]

yeah if it expires youre doing something wrong

also after you replace last seasons tier

you can press snd when you restealth

to spend some CP

[vale pine]

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035163024480276640/1404459195629174957/gearing_v6.jpg

[vale pine]

alright, if someone spots a mistake lmk

[short radish]

maybe a note that non tier shoulders are preferred

[glossy turtle]

is there a set opener for m+? or is it just stacking flag to 30 and sending cds?

[keen dome]

Isn't the passive trinket from Dawnbreaker good?

[vale pine]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hazy breach]

Idk where you got stacking flag

[glossy turtle]

dont you want it to get 30 stacks? or whatever it is?

[hazy breach]

The burst is the same as it is on ST, except you replace some of your eviscerates with bps

[vale pine]

it kinda is ye, can blue it too

[keen dome]

Otherwise it looks real good, imo

[hazy breach]

You can storm and spread some ruptures while the pack is being gathered

[alpine wraith]

specially in aoe you just put ruptures then flag cds

unlikely you get to triple dance but if you can that is quite good

if you get 2 it is most of the dmg anyway

[slate lantern]

could you share the template and people could fill it for law and assa as well? i really like the template

[glossy turtle]

okay. I just have seen casual from time to time, use flag and then a bunch of ruptures.

[alpine wraith]

well it is not bad per se

if pack wont last more than 2 dances anyway

[vale pine]

i can but i also post edited it in photoshop

[sullen hare]

Kinda surprised you didn't put the ticking sack from tazavesh on there. Is it only mediocre this tier relative to other trinkets?

[alpine wraith]

we have many decent trinks

[vale pine]

because the template is too colorful

^^

[willow forge]

What tool did you use to make this? Just Excel?

[vale pine]

google sheet

[glossy turtle]

I also see casual play alot of the times with tornado. is that just a preference?

[vale pine]

ye

tornado is better in aoe

replicating in cleave

[alpine wraith]

tornado is very useful for cdr in general and to get ruptures

[glossy turtle]

I just took this one from the m+ build from wowhead.

[alpine wraith]

that works too

but uh

i would go for the PE one

[hazy breach]

Cant get PE without dropping tfd

[alpine wraith]

i would drop finality

[hazy breach]

And tfd is too good

[glossy turtle]

PE?

[alpine wraith]

but maybe that one is better

[hazy breach]

Finality is very strong for Bp

[alpine wraith]

is it? i was getting good results with PE but checks out

[shadow lance]

Rotten isn't playable at all?

[alpine wraith]

not horrible

just a bit behind

[hazy breach]

Idk people say its good but does not sim well

The "storm in dance for rotten" thing is very bad now with new tier

[shadow lance]

I was checking ptr keys/log

[hazy breach]

Not like "0.5% worse" type bad

3.5% type bad

[glossy turtle]

would the ideal build just have tornado isntead of replicating shadows?

[crystal bone]

wait we only storm for coup then?

[hazy breach]

So if youre gonna rotten it probably has to do some symbols > storm > dance type thing

[haughty mural]

Right now crit is still not as high

[hazy breach]

But even that doesnt sim well

So idk

[haughty mural]

So people prefer rotten atm

Me thinks

[hazy breach]

I meant for people playing on ptr

[shadow lance]

I was happy cuz Rotten is fixed

[haughty mural]

Oh mb then

Sorry

[shadow lance]

But idk why highest keys were done with it if it sim worse

[slate nest]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[warm marlin]

allowing it to storm after sectec like I linked would probably help since it would naturally be spreading fw with st rotation no

i guess not for dances outside blades

[broken spindle]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[warm marlin]

idk feel like unless you're key pushing things die wayyy too fast to spread ruptures before flag

so you kind of need rotten to spread fw at all

[hazy breach]

Nado

[warm marlin]

true ig

[shadow lance]

Wait what?

Applying rupture apply fw?

[warm marlin]

no but in order to spread fw in aoe you're going to be storm -> rupturing

[alpine wraith]

tornado storms

and they apply FW

so you just strike rupture storm rupture as needed maybe 1 bp/evis

[warm marlin]

and then you get more applications storming in blades between coups

[alpine wraith]

then end at full cp flag

dance sec tech etc

i kinda dont like to use tornado on first opener but for cdr a bit later

but pull usually dies

so using on pull is not bad either

[shadow lance]

Ok, you just thinking about apply fw with ss used for ruptures

[swift tinsel]

You get a good amount of fw out with that

[shadow lance]

I was like " I missed something wtf"

[warm marlin]

tornado would indeed allow you to skip ruptures and get right into cds and still get fw out without rotten

[slate nest]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[haughty mural]

[alpine wraith]

yea keep in mind any gcd before cds

is a timer

for the others to STEAL your dmg

if pull lasts long enough you can do very funny things tho

like strike cds into sec tech tornado then another double dance

[lilac stag]

Spreading ruptures ahead of time and trying to get full flag.

[shadow lance]

Tornado is an outside cd thing now?

[alpine wraith]

mostly

[lilac stag]

It has been forever

We just ignored ever taking it

[warm marlin]

i stopped rupturing the main target in vault fillers midway through last season ngl

[shadow lance]

Didn't play it since SL

[warm marlin]

strike flag evis for snd right into it

[alpine wraith]

strike flag rupture into cds big rip

[lilac stag]

all the tornado cope is

[alpine wraith]

it is useful but not fun to use

[lilac stag]

enjoy your CDR reducing cd

[chrome palm]

tornado truthers coming out on top

[lilac stag]

it sounds way cooler than is actually is

[shadow lance]

Damn, we got a mage ability

But only for dance and Sectech

[slate nest]

idk what im doing wrong xd

My top went up to 3.5mil even in burst idk

Opener feels super hard to nail to actually

do something more

[steel zinc]

if you want answers you should post a log and not a details screenshot of you hitting the dummy

[slate nest]

ye hold on

[steel zinc]

You could have legit posted an empty screenshot might be more helpful 😄

[soft oriole]

fix my dps plz

[slate nest]

okay jeez lol

super aggro

[soft oriole]

its not at you, just the meme, you're all good lad

we all gotta learn some time

[keen dome]

okay

[short radish]

youre on the wrong tile

move to the one above it

[soft oriole]

apologies if you felt attacked, was not my intention 🙂

[keen dome]

fixed your dps, now it's dps: cat

[soft oriole]

I like it

[mint swift]

When are you going to start your art classes

As in

teaching them

[steel zinc]

not aggro just happy to help if you provide some more detailed info

[slate nest]

ight hold on

dornagal is super laggy

[steel zinc]

just go lfr or so

[keen dome]

draw a tomato, then draw a potato, then draw the rest of the cat

[runic trail]

he needed a hat

[keen dome]

hell yeah

[slate lantern]

can go to other capital cities for less lag

[slate nest]

ye going og

[runic trail]

Silvermoon or exodar are dead

[solar ermine]

@vale pine whispyr just dropped a 3:33:29 Video on assa. When is yours dropping? 😂 i Need that in my life

[vale pine]

4h video

O.o

[solar ermine]

Well he obviously fucked up by making it 4 seconds short

But still

[void hound]

4 hour rogue tc talk to fall asleep to

(I would watch)

[plush roost]

Hell ya

[solar ermine]

He even shout outed you @vale pine gave a shoutout? However

[plush roost]

I listened to whispyrs s1 assa yap at work and it made my day go by very fast

[slate nest]

okay

note to self, valdrakken dummies aren't good

[short radish]

go to borelas

[slate nest]

?

where?

[loud brook]

stormwind is also pretty good

[slate nest]

I'm horde

guys

[loud brook]

xd

[quick horizon]

Sorry if it has been asked already, the recommended talents and the ones in the guides are assuming new 4P ?
Or should they also be played with S2 4P ?

[short radish]

then go to zulzugguar or w/e the place is called

[slate nest]

ye hold on i needed to find them xd

[shadow lance]

Orgrimar then?

[slate lantern]

silvermoon goated

[solar ermine]

I think you also play them with old 4p

[quick horizon]

Ty

[sacred path]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[slate nest]

bad dummy placement, legit uber bad aoe dummies

[shadow lance]

Consider it's 3 targets cleave

[sacred path]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use Unyielding Netherprism
/use Araz's Ritual Forge
/use Lily of the Eternal Weave

When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[slate nest]

I went into zuldazar, 4target dummies, I did 4 minutes, log doesn't show

[hazy breach]

Cant livelog dummies

Have to manually upload

[slate nest]

ah okay

[violet timber]

Do level 8 delves give hero gear in the vault?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[slate nest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/H63bBfLTRAgcYzDd <- 4 minutes is in zuldazar, 1:19 cleave dummy is actually valdrakken, the logs actually show good dps

I'm still slow on opener and I am super clunky on burst windows

[shadow lance]

You don't need to be fast

Just be sure to put the right amount of gcd in dance

[hazy breach]

Go practice the opener from the guides over and over and over

[shadow lance]

In the right order

[hazy breach]

Yours is whack as hell

Then you do the exact same thing 90s later in the fight

The burst sequence (aka the opener) is 90% of the spec

[shadow lance]

And you got the little burst sequence every time you dance

The shit you do between doesn't matter

[slate nest]

okay so, when do I dance? outside of burst sequence

okay

[soft oriole]

wait no it does matter, that was for his above message

[slate nest]

ah

[shadow lance]

No, it was before

Ahahah

[hazy breach]

It matters a little bit, but for now focus on doing the opener and doing the exact same thing 90s later when flag is ready again

[shadow lance]

I fixed

[lilac stag]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[shadow lance]

When you got sectech and SoD up

BUT you need to be sure to have your cds up for the second shadow blades window

[hollow cobalt]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using (non maintenance) finishers ~10 seconds before your 90 sec cooldowns come up.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[shadow lance]

Better sit a bit on it than not having up for cds

[slate nest]

okay, one more problem I see, I don't have backstab in stealth/dance on my keybinds, only when outside of stealth

[hollow cobalt]

how much dances/symbols should i send in between flag?

[hazy breach]

1 or 2

Depends on how much aoe there is and how much uptime you get

[hollow cobalt]

do i send on cooldown or i have to wait till i can do 2 dances in a row?

[hazy breach]

Not 2 in a row no

[hollow cobalt]

so i send 2 dances in between my flagellation asap?

with symbols sectech?

[hazy breach]

You make sure you have 2 symbols, 2 dances, 2 sectechs for blades

And then you use as many as possible inbetween while still being able to do that

[hollow cobalt]

okok

[slate nest]

so opener is always evis spam?

wait Imma try

and we'll see

[carmine portal]

@keen dome 49%

[hollow cobalt]

at how much target in aoe is storm over St?

[keen dome]

🙏 You've got this

[carmine portal]

could've lived aswell but greeded to save my cloak

[hazy breach]

Strike always higher prio than storm, only storm when youre not in dance

[hollow cobalt]

oh ok

[loud brook]

there are a lot conditions on when to storm/when to backstab

but shadowstrike is almost always number 1prio with some exceptions

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach can you make a 3 hour 34 minute YouTube video so we can be better than Assa?

[hollow cobalt]

and kp at 4 targets now?

[lilac stag]

me thinks Whispyr done lost his marbles

[slate nest]

im practicing aoe (5 targets bcs I cant find more dummies in 1 place)

also I didn't have combat logging on for the try I did rn xd

lemme redo

[soft oriole]

Where are you practicing?

[slate nest]

valdrakken dummies, I don't look at details but logs show dps normally

so it's gonna be fine

[hazy breach]

Idk id want it to be more concise but idk

[soft oriole]

isnt the single target dummy next to the aoe dummies in valdrakken?

[hazy breach]

Its actually really hard to make a guide that conveys info clearly without being a long rant

[loud brook]

ya a lot guide i watched its just people yapping all kinds of stuff thats inrelevant

or repeating themselves

[runic trail]

I demand more yap

[slate lantern]

"I would've written you a short letter, but I didn't have time"

[alpine wraith]

i did make a "shorter one" that is only 26 mins this time

[keen dome]

Just post that cat drum gif, guide done

[alpine wraith]

and even then that is by piggybacking on the old one that was like almost 40 but tbh there is no need to explain everything every time

[lilac stag]

I’m scared to open it. This is Max levels of talking me thinks.

[bright elk]

how many targets do we swap from ST on a prio + nimble flurry cleave on adds vs bp spam?

[soft oriole]

It would have to be many many targets

[alpine wraith]

not really

it is now 4 targets or so

[nocturne birch]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

bp has gotten buffed quite a bit

[soft oriole]

oh, well I have been doing that wrong lmao

[bright elk]

Thats what I thought, TY. BP felt pretty good in the few m0s i did this week, but wasnt sure if it was the right thing to do

[loud brook]

4target is not like spam bp right? i thought its only with 4 FW targets when under 8 total target count

and only in brust or small cd windows

at least thats what i saw on the sim, not sure if the sim is correct or not

[hazy breach]

4 targets in general is fine

The find weakness stuff was just confusing too many people so we started recommending just 4 targets instead, its not simming that much worse than caring about find weaknesses (<1%)

[slate nest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mqVXtvxnQKN3bGZw?fight=4&type=casts&source=5&view=timeline idk

this doesn't look good still

[alpine wraith]

in real situations it is likely some have FW from before entering dance for a bit so as eleem said

mostly ok

if you are in doubt you can bp once and just keep using evis for kinda good dmg and a bit of juice

but 5+ bp unless sectech/coup

[slate nest]

I had wrong talents lmaooooo

[lilac stag]

Does the apl reflect this, and if not can we adjust it to do so? Leave FW as an asterisk note

[alpine wraith]

basically fuu did a cleanup

it is still worth it more of course if they have FW

[carmine portal]

@keen dome 7%

fatfingered shadowstep

Had all defensives up

all pots

im gna kms

[astral axle]

it could be like 20 minutes of yapping and then the rest of it just react content or asmr

[swift tinsel]

Gogogogo

U got dis

[flint parrot]

@alpine wraith can u show the go to talent build without new tier set? we just dropping imp storm for wm and thats it?

[hazy breach]

Thats not two talents you can just swap

Theyre in different tiers

But the guides are updated

[flint parrot]

ahh for sf i mean lol

[hazy breach]

Nah dont bother swapping to SF

[celest needle]

!coup

[wicked jolt]

Coup de Grace Optimizations:

• **Number 1: **You can stop using (non maintenance) finishers ~10 seconds before your 90 sec cooldowns come up.
• Number 2: ONLY with the 4 set of the new tier! -- During Shadow Blades, if you get the 4 set buff, you can use Shuriken Storm to not proc Unseen Blade before using your 2nd Coup.
• Explanation: The Tier Set buff does not allow new applications of the Unseen Blades stacks, so any Unseen Blades procs between the 2 Coup casts would be wasted, this small adjustment prevents that from happening.

[hazy breach]

The 5% less energy is completely irrelevant, sim basically cant distinguish between having it and not having it

Thats how unimpactful it is

[carmine portal]

ty, taking a short break but i rlly want to get this over week 1 EU

[hazy breach]

And if you ever storm youre losing a fuckton by not having imp storm

[flint parrot]

ty bro

[plush roost]

Bring back 75% energy reduction shadowfocus

[slate nest]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DbJ86KFyCN3ckzGr <- normal tank dummy is supposed to be it, kinda feeling super low on the dmg but I managed to do the big burst opener 2 times in like 5 attempts xd

[alpine wraith]

as eleem said SF is fake

[plush roost]

Give me legion

[carmine portal]

At one point I went on my blood DK to see

[alpine wraith]

it was 25% but yea diff times

[carmine portal]

boringly easy

[plush roost]

Give me no energy no cd feint

[keen dome]

You've got it!

[carmine portal]

my gf gasped when I hit shadowstep

[plush roost]

Idr legion well i was but a boy

[keen dome]

Legion was fun

no fall damage was the best talent sub ever had

[alpine wraith]

yea i have died so many times over the years

because of those times

[flint parrot]

so same build even without new set

i rather die then play forgeweaver in fb lol

[vale pine]

it was 100% initially

[loud brook]

do we not use the rotten anymore?

[vale pine]

you can, but with playing PE and having in general more crit this season

it loses value

[shadow lance]

PE is the crit buff on sod?

[half plaza]

How bored im :/

[vale pine]

yes sir

[stoic pier]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shadow lance]

But do we press sod outside of cd?

That's the thing that make my brain die

Because, I press sod and dance together

So I never press SS

So I don't get the sod crit buff on SS

[vale pine]

let me illustrate something for you

[thorny rivet]

wtf do you like delving or what

[swift tinsel]

Delves own

[shadow lance]

I think I need it

[stoic pier]

Give up on macros bro, just for thistle tea + shadow dance, even Cold Blood with Secret Tech isnt that good because on the opener you will use it only on second Secret Tech

[shadow lance]

Never spoke about macro

[half plaza]

Nah i hate it, but there is nothing to do. And this is a quick farm/reset.
At least got map for the hero track item tomorrow for all alts. lol

[honest void]

bp is the go to finisher in aoe again (4+)?

[swift tinsel]

Tbf if you’re only using CB with Sectech having it macro’d together is the same number of binds as having them separate

Bc you’d have a naked Sectech bind anyways

[shadow lance]

Just said I pressed together, like you press flag and blades together

[stoic pier]

My bad then, thought that was the case since you said you were pressing them together

[loud brook]

?i thought you dont

[winter galleon]

Is sin and sub somewhat close in stats or if I do streets/dawn and switch to sin I gotta switch wraps and everything

[swift tinsel]

They’re mostly the same

[shadow lance]

Stop thinking so literally

[solar ermine]

Dont let Whispyr hear you Talking about stats for sin

[swift tinsel]

Sin takes whatever stats and sub wants any besides haste

[winter galleon]

What about wrap?

[swift tinsel]

Switching between dagger specs and outlaw is where you’ll look at more disparate gearing

[solar ermine]

Just go Mastery

[swift tinsel]

Both mastery

[pulsar hemlock]

!bp

!aoe

[swift tinsel]

BP at 4 targets

[pulsar hemlock]

[shadow lance]

You legit press it 2 gcd appart

But always synced

[winter galleon]

Alright thanks all trying to push rogue more this season

[shadow lance]

No issue

[loud brook]

i aoe its a lot gcd apart

[swift tinsel]

Huh

[shadow lance]

What?

[swift tinsel]

Why would there be more gcds between flag and blades in aoe

[shadow lance]

Are you confused aswell?

[stoic pier]

But about SoD without SD, the idea is use it on cd but always trying to line it with SD and remember to have at least 2 charges for your burst window, so like 1 charge and another almost up when your flag + blades are returning

[vale pine]

Alright, subtlety during and outside of cooldowns:

[keen dome]

perfect

[left ledge]

you shouldnt ever change your flag blades usage really

you will always flag before your dance

and you will always blades after the first sectec

or with it

[shadow lance]

Nice drawing sir

[left ledge]

one day sectec will work as intended

[grave mango]

10/10 illustration

[shadow lance]

But, I still don't get the PE value for SS applying FW

[swift tinsel]

More crit = more fw from storm

[vale pine]

haha thanks, was just low effort paint

[shadow lance]

But you don't press a lot of SS during SoD

Cuz you use it with dance

[vale pine]

you almost exclusively use ss

ss = shadowstrike

[shadow lance]

Woops

[vale pine]

with tier set you use storm too

[shadow lance]

I meant Ss for storm

[swift tinsel]

Ye with the s3 set you’ll storm to avoid EB waste

[vale pine]

i know^^

[swift tinsel]

So you end up using it more during dance/blades/etc

[lilac stag]

BP getting 6 x 13.5% buffs has a better chance of happening.

[north schooner]

they should rename shuriken storm to something else to make it less confusing

[swift tinsel]

Storm

Strike

[alpine wraith]

next expansion sec tech gets changed to 1 hit

shadowed finishers is dead

FW back to 100%

[lilac stag]

@swift tinsel that’s very confusing

[alpine wraith]

we need to look at the timeline where this happens

[shadow lance]

You use Storm once or 2 during cd

[latent finch]

if i have coup up going into cds do i use it after flag before dancing?

[shadow lance]

Not outside , we agree

[swift tinsel]

You don’t need FW as much in aoe bc of the BP buffs

[vale pine]

yes

[sullen hare]

Sorry hacha best I can do is a 16% buff to black powder

[lilac stag]

4T just send BP is what it looks like the numbers have concluded.

[swift tinsel]

Yea

[sullen hare]

BP and coups right?

[lilac stag]

fuck FW. All my homies hate FW

[shadow lance]

So, we get PE value on storm only twice every 90 sec

And it's better than rotten?

[sullen hare]

Or is it just brain off BP spam

[left ledge]

guys what if shuriken storm worked with trickster

[vale pine]

the effort to track fw is high, so would say yes if you hit bp on 4 its perfectly fine

[shadow lance]

Prolly the Crit buff on the rest > Fw on every target?

[vale pine]

the diffrence is very minimal

[lilac stag]

TBH this should just be the default in the apl. Leave FW as a side note to minmax

[swift tinsel]

Crit buff on everything plus dropping CB in m+ means crit gains value

[lilac stag]

for the amount of headaches FW is, it’s just not worth it to be the default imo

[shadow lance]

Indeed, forgot about the cb drop

[swift tinsel]

And more buffed coup crits with new set

[shadow lance]

I'll need to test it more than in the M0

[limpid sage]

How do you make brann not off himself to nether rifts?

[swift tinsel]

Pew pew

[vale pine]

if you hit bp on 3 sometimes its not that bad too, so its not super sensitive

[swift tinsel]

I’ve been using BP on 3 target pulls if they all have FW but otherwise I don’t really bother tracking and just send at 4+ targets

[vale pine]

is he already set to healer?

[limpid sage]

yeah

he just decides it's a soak mechanic

[swift tinsel]

He just does that sometimes, it’s annoying

Same with just not doing things

[vale pine]

i wish you could dissabel brann ^^

[swift tinsel]

No pots/healing

[limpid sage]

was the same with underpin

the headache was always something brann related

[swift tinsel]

When it happens on a good pull it’s full tilt city

[carmine portal]

I kept having a bug where he would run into the room to fight kyveza solo after I had died

[topaz egret]

I used evasion for when brann wanted to suicide

[carmine portal]

also on my realm there's some fucking sub rogue sat outside with the title on

bastard

[swift tinsel]

Ye evasion with elusiveness basically negates the pull dmg it’s quite nice

[swift tinsel]

Hey I should do that

[alpine wraith]

just aura farm

[swift tinsel]

With my orc Neo lookin ahhhh

[keen dome]

33% wipe 'cos my hand jittered during masscre lmao

[swift tinsel]

Nuuuuuu

[sharp lake]

Is there a reason versatility flask is better than chaos this season?

[quasi wedge]

is circe bugged on raidbots
it still sims 1.6% higher than a 675

[lilac stag]

You need a 681+ usually

[alpine wraith]

yea took mine off with a 691

[shadow lance]

Mastery crit buff during cds

[quasi wedge]

so stick with sim result ok

[silent ruin]

My 683 feral sims 6% higher than 687 subtlety

[swift tinsel]

Imo vers is a bit more consistency

[lilac stag]

we’re one of the lowest simming specs. Welcome to sub.

[keen dome]

Just add 10 - 20% Purple to each sim (purple does nothing)

[shadow lance]

And we want to avoid haste @sharp lake

[silent ruin]

But in reality my sub does more damage

So sims are off

[lilac stag]

No

[keen dome]

Sims aren't representative of actual gameplay

[sharp lake]

I'm just a little surprised given chaos was advised last season

[keen dome]

They're a sandbox'd simulation of a specific encounter to help you estimate something in a controlled enviroment.

I.e., is X better than Y in the context of this hypothetical scenario with real world applications.

[silent ruin]

Or cross spec sims are meaningless

[lilac stag]

No

[alpine wraith]

sims are done to gear and choose between things to equip or enchant

[lilac stag]

Gestalt literally spelled it out for you

[clever delta]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

of course when warlock sims almost 2m more than you

[keen dome]

They're answering a complex mathmatical question for us

[alpine wraith]

that also means something but

[silent ruin]

Even if I set fight to 1 minute, feral wins, that's certainly not true

[alpine wraith]

sub is very cool because we are able to move dmg quite a bit

[clever delta]

@vale pine will you be adding tier set sims? sorry if answered before

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that flexibility is one of my favorite things about the spec

[keen dome]

Same

I cannot express how incredible it is in pugging.

[swift tinsel]

Being able to shift dances around is so awesome

[keen dome]

Raid pugging, that is.

[alpine wraith]

so just be a believer and use prism+pvp trink until forge

[swift tinsel]

But sigil my darling

Cannot turn my back

[alpine wraith]

unless i rng cosmic hunter/antenna etc

[clever delta]

damn i did not miss using doable on use

[alpine wraith]

the diff is not big

until you know when to pop

and snap

[keen dome]

I'm just gonna roll need on all the trinkets I see in the raid because I'm a VILLAIN

[alpine wraith]

likely until i get M forge i will run that

[vale pine]

can do, its not rly that interessting. The new tier set is way stronger than the old one

[alpine wraith]

maybe to illustrate the power diff but yea

[clever delta]

make sense

do we get some tunning tonigh or we are done, what do you think guys?

[alpine wraith]

also this is gnarly

!gear

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1035163024480276640/1404459195629174957/gearing_v6.jpg

[keen dome]

It's really good

[clever delta]

man i need to recraft my gear before raid because the first boss ring sim like shit for me with all the mastery i have

[random hare]

@vale pine idk if u logged to ptr but

rotten no longer gets fully consumed

by ss

in aoe

[swift tinsel]

Yep they fixed the bug

[tepid trellis]

we do be aware

they also fixed nimble + fazed today

[swift tinsel]

Oh really?

[tepid trellis]

yeh

if you trust raichu that is

[swift tinsel]

Hmge

[dire pulsar]

woooh ! This is BIS ! thanks @vale pine !

[swift tinsel]

2nd coup SF getting buffed by 4pc yet or that still bugged

[tepid trellis]

[vale pine]