#subtlety

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hazy breach
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Im so down

carmine portal
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RIP RP realms tho

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Openworld RP getting executed out back

graceful crown
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room escape wow style

carmine portal
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Every room has a copy with subtle differences

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gotta find them all for a prize

alpine wraith
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first thing i will make is a jumping escape puzzle if they let me

astral axle
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world of roblox POGCRAZY

graceful crown
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its cool when i wait 3 hours for a try at m+ with my rogue

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i can play housing meanwhile

keen dome
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Housing will be the new end-game

carmine portal
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just like IRL

keen dome
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I'm going to be the house rater. I'll visit and review your house.

swift tinsel
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Only Griftah is allowed in my house

keen dome
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If it's bad then I will look at you very very dissapointedly and go "bit shite ain't it"

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If it's good I'll give you two thumbs up and go "aaaaay"

carmine portal
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even if it's incredible imma hit you with the "Yeah not bad made tbf"

keen dome
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https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24226697/the-cooldown-manager-and-future-updates Damn, that's a pretty big improvement.

World of Warcraft
The Cooldown Manager and Future Updates - WoW

Since the release of the 11.1.5 Cooldown Manager feature, we’ve been listening to your feedback and are excited to share several planned improvements. These updates will enhance functionality, customization, and ease of use. We aim to consistently iterate and improve on the Cooldown Manager, and these enhancements will be included in future Wo...

crystal bone
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are u sure u want the list?

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if so i will provide

tulip gorge
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I wish it would track buffs too

keen dome
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Yeah, I hope they keep up the refinement 'cos that's a really big improvement.

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Obvious signs of them looking at WA and going "We need to get closer to this"

lilac stag
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If only they did that with their class development

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actual roadmaps and goals.

swift tinsel
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the closer they get the WA functionality the happier I'll be when I can get rid of most of my auras

proven plover
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Maybe we need another low like wod to come back up

swift tinsel
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can you anchor WA's to the current CDM?

chrome palm
swift tinsel
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I do actually quite like those updates

keen dome
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Not sure. I know you can to the personal resource display ('cos that's where mine are)

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It's a pretty solid step in the right direction. They just need to keep at it. The UI looks really slick and i like the tracking bars.

limber dirge
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is their endgame to completely kill weakauras?

hollow spear
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I just changed from a 34 inch 1440p ultrawide to a 27 inch 4k and it feels like I had my glasses off the last years

keen dome
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Haha, hell yeah

hollow spear
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But the old screen was curved and now the flat screen feels like it's curved to the other direction garf_sit

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I'll use that as an excuse for potential grey parses

lilac stag
keen dome
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WoD also suffered from a huge vision that simply couldn't have ever worked.

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I imagine it's design process had a lot of conflict with the actual development.

lilac stag
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that seems to forever be their biggest obstacle

keen dome
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Garrison's anywhere in any zone to specifc places in any zone to only one place in one zone

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(Which, really, was the right choice)

swift tinsel
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mf Necrotic Plague unholy dk was back then

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literal favorite playstyle ever besides mop demo

keen dome
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Karabor originally set to be the alliance hub, horde having.. that weird oge place.

swift tinsel
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also glad stance prot war

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which was a balance nightmare

keen dome
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Which eventually got changed to Ashran adjacent places (again, the right choice)

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glad stance was so cool

swift tinsel
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yeah I miss it so much

lilac stag
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it kinda funny how the content pacing shadows over all the good stuff WoD had

keen dome
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Balance nightmare but such a good idea

swift tinsel
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its everything SMF wanted to be

lilac stag
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now the pacing is better but the class design is still all time low overall for me

keen dome
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The year of HFC. The year of having to do hellfire assault

swift tinsel
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the ability to completely self-sustain on all gathering was so cool to me

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as someone who farms all the time

keen dome
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I wish I could have more professions than two on my main

swift tinsel
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and likes to lock in their own consumes

keen dome
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Blizz if you gave me the option to buy one profession slot for £10 I would do it I am that stupid

swift tinsel
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if they all have sep concentration like now I'd be down

keen dome
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I can omnicraft already via alts, but having it all on one guy would be the dream.

alpine wraith
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yea i wish i could ahve all profs on 1 char

swift tinsel
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I had someone ask in discord the other night why I'm logging in and out of alts for a few minutes at a time so much lol

keen dome
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It wouldn't really impact the game negatively, it'd just be.. I dunno.. Nice.

swift tinsel
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"gotta burn concentration so I'm not sitting at cap homie"

keen dome
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Ye

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I suppose having gathering on everybody all the time would reduce the value of gathering.

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But actual crafting itself is less of an impact.

swift tinsel
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its pretty much just pots, flasks, frames, alloy and whetstones now

keen dome
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Yeah. Pots / flasks on my conc alchemist burners and then ring / chest enchants too.

swift tinsel
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buy ores to prospect for glittering for vials

keen dome
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For some pretty chill income every week

swift tinsel
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Once I hit 1k pots I sell which is today lol

lilac stag
swift tinsel
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Oh and a Petal Powder alt too just bc lol

lilac stag
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I’m sitting on 100 flasks without even trying.

keen dome
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Nice

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I have four to cover everything i could need.

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Namely recrafts 'cos I'm tired of asking people.

lilac stag
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the rogue does a nice bit with DE & enchanting. Close to 30-40k a week passive income.

keen dome
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Very nice

hexed sluice
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WoWhead aint helping, but is there new food or flasks for next season, before I start crafting consumables

pliant seal
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as far as i know everything stays the same.. but dont take me for granted

keen dome
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Just new health pots, I think?

hexed sluice
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Bless, thanks yall

swift tinsel
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I have a sheet that I use to track my consume inventory bc I also provide them on prog night, same with feasts so I made a quick calculator using the multicraft average to say when its worth crafting vs buying feasts for Hearty's

swift tinsel
keen dome
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The new HP pots are vastly better too, iirc.

swift tinsel
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even rank 2 to 3 is not a large jump

hexed sluice
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Are they better than the engineer wrists? cause I currently have that scuffed pot

swift tinsel
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so I make 2's to get my 10 stacks for tempered crafting and have a bazillion of them

hexed sluice
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this one

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keen dome
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Rank 1 seems to be 5.1m so probably

hexed sluice
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damn 5mill no downside rank 1

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Venting Vambraces my beloved are going to be ole yellered

keen dome
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Versus the 3.6m rank 2 we currently have.

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I guess it makes sense 'cos our HP is going WAY higher, haha.

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3.6m felt good in S1. And okay in S2. But we'll probably have 15m+ HP as DPS.

alpine wraith
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rip

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maybe we get a better tinket

hexed sluice
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Yeah we already have 10mil, and outside of Outlaw we have the lowest stam of most dps no?

alpine wraith
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nah who am i kidding

hexed sluice
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Ive seen shaman at 12

keen dome
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I'm sad tinkers this expansion are so lackluster

hexed sluice
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I was really sad they went the path of jumpercables as a consumable again

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I liked having them as a tinker for anyone in bracers last expac

keen dome
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Yeah, same. But I think a consumable is the right choice as it makes them vastly more accessible.

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And everyone can just carry them around.

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But I do miss all the Evoker work orders...

lucid jackal
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Either way their goal for awhile has been "make the base UI better"

keen dome
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Which is just a plain good thing for them to try and do

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I am very interested in seeing what they do for nameplates.

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Plater is such a resource hog.

hexed sluice
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I miss the embelishments too, but Im a cantrip gamer, if it has a cantrip ill want to always use it over no cantrip

keen dome
swift tinsel
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It sounds like they're fine with the purely cosmetic ones but are definitely targeting mechanic-solving capabilities

lilac stag
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i'm still under the impresison they're trying to add things to the game that are basically required to make porting it to xbox easier.

hexed sluice
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Something about gaining a bunch of procs or on uses and other random bullshit just feels good from a playability standpoint

swift tinsel
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If they adopt even a fraction of Plater's functionality its infinitely better than what the base ones are now

keen dome
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bingo donezo

swift tinsel
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color coding is amazing

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like

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beyond amazing actually

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or having the cast bar grey out if your kick is on cd

keen dome
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Yeah.

swift tinsel
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why is that not baseline

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its SO helpful

keen dome
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That and aggro is the big one for me.

hazy breach
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Not being able to blacklist debuffs is criminal

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Have yall tried playing assa with default nameplates

swift tinsel
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agreeeeeeeed

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lmao

keen dome
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yes

hazy breach
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When you press deathmark

keen dome
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lmao

hazy breach
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You have literally 16 debuffs up

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And its such a mess

lilac stag
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the platter sludge is often the developer of the bars / scripts not coding efficently. so many packs had stuff like "spell reflect" or "execute" running on specs that can't use either

keen dome
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Yeah

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I don't run anything but my own and it's still just.. bad. I like Plater, but I also hate PLater.

swift tinsel
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ye the first thing I did when I switched to Jundies was dive into the scripts and mods and make sure everything was kosher

lilac stag
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mistakes can happen ofc

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jundies and quaziis are usually pretty tight

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elvui still way worse of an offender in every sense of the UI imo

swift tinsel
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yeah, I had a super frankensteined version I needed to switch from and it's been a breeze

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Elvui sucks so much ass but it also has some really nice stuff with it

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was a user for a few years but tossed it going into Palace

keen dome
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I was a Xperl/Zperl guy

lilac stag
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i hate shit just not working on patch days

swift tinsel
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Elvui and Opie seemed to brick whenever blizz changed one single crumb

lilac stag
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since we raid on tues

keen dome
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Same

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I only use WA and Plater these days. Everything else is default. Much smoother.

swift tinsel
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played with default frames up until downloading Cell earlier this season

keen dome
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I know they get shit on, but I think the UI overhaul with DF was really, really good.

swift tinsel
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Oh I'm a fan

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Edit Mode is lovely

lilac stag
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SUF I have on for some minimal stuff

keen dome
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It solved so many long-term UI issues that needed addons to solve. There's still quite a few things they need to improve but

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it good.

swift tinsel
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for sure, but they at least have some of the groundwork laid

keen dome
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Here's a good example: Player Unitframe. I do not need the icon of my face there, Blizz. Let me toggle it off.

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hollow spear
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I ripped off zac's UI

swift tinsel
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if they include one or two UI updates/fixes to these systems each major patch they'll be in way better shape in no time

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throw in some in the .5 and .7

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holy

keen dome
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Yeah

hollow spear
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I think broodtwister halved the elvui population garf

keen dome
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Cooldown tracker was clearly pushed out way too early.

swift tinsel
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just a green bar plz

keen dome
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Yeee

swift tinsel
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I'm kinda surprised they don't since they have the PRD

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which covers all that info

keen dome
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I really like how the new player and target unitframe looks. It's solid, slick and well stylized. It just needs more modularity.

hollow spear
swift tinsel
lilac stag
keen dome
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Yeah, that's a very good point.

swift tinsel
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especially with how big a talking point its been coming from them lately

hollow spear
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As long as they give enough time to mature, I'm good with it

swift tinsel
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having whole interviews around it

keen dome
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Yeah. They did excellent work with the overhaul to swirlies and visuals on damages in 11.1.

swift tinsel
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from this latest post, I'm happy with the direction its going

keen dome
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As they continue to refine it, it's clear they have a really solid vision.

swift tinsel
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if I can get rid of all of my WA's that track all but the most niche conditions, perfect

keen dome
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Like Scath said earlier.. If only we could get these kind of posts with class balance / design.

lilac stag
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a lot of this shit really needs a learn to crawl then walk implementation

hollow spear
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Yah visuals have been moving in a really good direction

fallow nimbus
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does the disorient strike thing work when i use sectec at raid spawn and get ported to gally?

swift tinsel
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for sure, taking it slow and not dropping this giant shitbomb that they have to try and fix from all different angles is def the play

lilac stag
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you just hope by the time the person working on it learns to run, they aren't pulled to another project or burn out

keen dome
swift tinsel
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they do that, they'll nail it imo

hollow spear
lilac stag
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my assumption is there's going to be a very significant portion of the fan base (not the subscription base) that are going to be extremly disappointed in 1.0 Housing. The people actually playing will probably be happy, but desire a lot more.

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which is their target

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get subs back? kepp subs happy? both?

steel zinc
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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
lilac stag
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housing wont keep me active. attention to all the class development will

slate marlin
lucid jackal
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Why would ppl be disappointed by hosuing

fallow nimbus
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and logging out for a few secs?

lucid jackal
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It seems like one of the most fleshed out housing systems in mmos

slate marlin
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all things said, housing looks very nice

lilac stag
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it doesnt meet their expectations that they've created in their head

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why is anyone disappointed in anything?

lucid jackal
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But what feature is missing

lilac stag
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they'll find something. right now my largest complaint is guilds being faction based (which I dont think has changed)

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7 alliance mains can't hand with the 33 horde guildies

swift tinsel
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Ngl they need to drop any faction disparity

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it has been a dead element forever

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not being able to invite guildmates' alts to the same guild they're already in who are a different faction is dumb as hell

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unless you're bnet friends

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why does that exist

keen dome
steel zinc
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And its fine that it will be a rocky launch

lucid jackal
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What will be a shitshow

swift tinsel
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the nitpickers are gonna nitpick so that's a lost battle anyways, I would be surprised if there are glaring issues with it that are legitimate

keen dome
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I think it might have some teething issues like access and instance wobbles. But the actual system seems so.. sandboxed? that it should be solid

swift tinsel
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Can I put up walls, ceilings, and shit on said walls? Win

keen dome
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only as an engineer

swift tinsel
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shit

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well as a miner/jc Imma dig a nice hole

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and as an archaeologist irl I feel confident in my abilities

north schooner
swift tinsel
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gonna have the straighest walls in Azeroth

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bitches gon line up for miles to see my stratigraphy

north schooner
swift tinsel
lilac stag
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I just want a lot for a crate, and some cardboard cutout trees. Classic Rogue

bleak night
bleak night
swift tinsel
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Solid Snake carboard box for me plz

bleak night
lilac stag
keen dome
bleak night
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Also real

slate lantern
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even if its a huge success i have no idea why wowhead thinks it belongs on their header this far out

arctic spire
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has anyone else noticed you still get aggro sometimes after trick on tanks im m+?

swift tinsel
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its been something players have asked for for over a decade plus

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and it means traffic

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or whats it called, SEO?

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spent too much time in sin channel recently

slate lantern
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im sad i cant permanently leave a channel in discord

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i have no need for assassination or assassination-faq to be here

swift tinsel
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yeah closest you can get is mute/made it disappear

swift tinsel
bleak night
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You can leave them lmao

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And perma hide them

slate lantern
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oh shit leggo

bleak night
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I hid outlaw for a while but I missed watching the meltdowns

slate lantern
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last time i tried to it didnt work

swift tinsel
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krill issue

steel zinc
hollow spear
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You should have said "sub during 11.2", I was ready for the show

void hound
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new cooldown manager features look great

steel zinc
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Yeah if it tracked find weakness targets

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!fuu

wicked joltBOT
vale pine
void hound
slate marlin
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wow

vale pine
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oh blizz weakaura stuff

swift tinsel
vale pine
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ye, it seems not too bad

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also should reduce addon overhead

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weakauras is fairly ressource heavy

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hungry auras

swift tinsel
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yeah anything they implement that brings things closer to no longer relying on WA's will be a good change imo

slate marlin
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honestly rly good changes

vale pine
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it even has pandemic

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whats quite nice

slate marlin
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if they want to remove addons

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specially stuff like wa

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this looks good for personal info

swift tinsel
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I think its fine if they have a robust CDM while still allowing people to use auras to customize their experience further

upper narwhal
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Cooldown manager probably still needs a bit of work to get it to WA level but it's getting really close now, great for the game

slate marlin
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ye its pretty good

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can even customize sounds

swift tinsel
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if it has TTS functionality

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that would be huge

slate marlin
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btw did they say a deadline in which they will remove addons?

placid elk
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thats what they've been doing with every feature, release it in a mediocre state, then keep working on it.
it was the same with the edit mode

slate marlin
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or at least lower their functionality

north schooner
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no

grand wyvern
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i don't think they can commit do a date, they have to win over the players first

north schooner
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but midnight is likely when limitation will start to be applied

swift tinsel
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^

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that's my thought too

slate marlin
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oh i see

steel zinc
swift tinsel
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maybe by last tier they try to go for it

upper narwhal
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arbitrarily removing addons before there's a suitable replacement would be a horrible commitment to make

swift tinsel
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or phase functionality out tier by tier

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well

placid elk
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they dont do that and wont remove all of them, just the ones that feel mandatory

swift tinsel
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they're not deleting all addon functionality

placid elk
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im curios for nameplates, boss timers

vale pine
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good defaults make sense

swift tinsel
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just the computational problem-solving ones

vale pine
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if you want to play it on consoles ^^

swift tinsel
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that trivialize encounters

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which will be easy to do if they just remove certain hooks

north schooner
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we might get some info on the addon limitations at gamescom in a few weeks

swift tinsel
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but that can brick other stuff depending on how they do it

placid elk
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ah man realm first console wow

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*world

slate marlin
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ill be happy if it means we dont get anymore ovinax fights

swift tinsel
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you'll still likely have DBM/Bigwigs until they redo ability telegraphs

chrome palm
swift tinsel
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or they build their own boss alerts which they said they wanna do

placid elk
slate marlin
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edit mode is in a good spot

grand wyvern
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if they want to really phase out UI addons they have to push more functionality i think

slate marlin
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i would like to be able to remove cp and my icon from the frames tho

chrome palm
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Still seems pretty lacking to me personally, not being able to hide things like the combo points under frame or action bar 1

slate marlin
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just an hp bar

chrome palm
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Or when was the last time they updated personal resource display

swift tinsel
chrome palm
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They have a thing for releasing features and abandoning them

placid elk
grand wyvern
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anyone wants to bet on delve existing after worldsoul saga?

swift tinsel
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they're quite successful

chrome palm
swift tinsel
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quick content that has solid reward structure? it's an easy thing to carry over

grand wyvern
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they are successful cause you print early gear, i don't think people actually do them for fun

carmine portal
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Imo edit mode, bartender and CMC (the cooldown manager control) addons are all I need for a near perfect UI

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Plater nameplates ofc

swift tinsel
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why do normal/heroic dungeons exist at max level then?

grand wyvern
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i'd play dungeons and raid with no rewards at all

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can't say the same for delves

swift tinsel
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and others do that with delves

chrome palm
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I just have a weak aura that hides everything until I mouse over it

swift tinsel
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bear in mind

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not everyone plays the game like you do

chrome palm
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I don’t need to stare at my bag bar ever

grand wyvern
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sure i have no clue what the average players does, i'l;l admit to that

swift tinsel
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plus its solo content

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which is huge for a good amount of the playerbase who don't engage in dungeons or raid

chrome palm
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Apparently average player uses obr

swift tinsel
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bc you can get hero track gear and never step foot in group content

chrome palm
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The gamer dads have taken to obr just pray they don’t get into your weeklies

swift tinsel
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half my guild are hekili enjoying gamer dads lol

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but we raid for vibes

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according to recap 28 day heroic prog

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well, 28 days to aotc

carmine portal
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OBR should be disabled in raid/M+ without special permissions, every time i go to farm weekly M+s my keys get bricked by some freak using /follow and OBR

grand wyvern
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i don't understand obr because sure on 90% on the classes i'd domoredpswith that, but i'd feel like iam not playing thegame

swift tinsel
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its a crutch and some people need that

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def not meant for everyone

carmine portal
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Some guy i saw ealier saod he used it because his Dh bars have too much bloat

grand wyvern
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isn't more fun to do worse but press the buttons yourself?

swift tinsel
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I personally think so, yeah

carmine portal
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And yes i mean demon hunter

swift tinsel
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but people play the game for different reasons

warm marlin
swift tinsel
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some just wanna experience the content

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lol after seeing Saifu's log I think OBR is necessary

carmine portal
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Makes no sense to me

swift tinsel
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because they want to experience that content

north schooner
swift tinsel
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he has the most secret techniques

carmine portal
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They want to experience bricking 12s over and over again

swift tinsel
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of all time

carmine portal
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Needs to be some way to see ppl who use OBR, like give them a marker

swift tinsel
grand wyvern
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i've met people who twink to spam leveling dungeons to fullfill their power fantasy, i don't know anything about what people does

swift tinsel
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so its a bit of a strawman

warm marlin
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if you're bricking 12s because a singular group member is using obr i think that may be a self own hmmge

swift tinsel
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yeah

carmine portal
swift tinsel
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but you're still doing damage with OBR

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in some instances fairly close to normal

warm marlin
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I think people underestimate how far from perfect play most are

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though obv obr is troll on some specs

slate marlin
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ye like i doubt it makes a huge diff for bm

swift tinsel
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youll 1000% find some people whos personal play varies by bigger percentages than the OBR offers

grand wyvern
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true but i respect people playing and trying

swift tinsel
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so even if its 15% below theoretical dps its a gain for them bc they play more inconsistently without it

swift tinsel
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but even in a world before OBR existed those same people were probably not even playing m+ because they were too intimidated but OBR gave them the confidence to at least give it a go

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and who knows, maybe they get better and learn their abilities and timings and stop leaning on OBR

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the way I've seen it is its an accessability feature first and foremost

grand wyvern
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i would want to see statistics of what is the real impact of obr, like how many people use it at different key level, i doubt its impactful

swift tinsel
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whether it be physically because it slows things down for you, or mentally because you can focus on other things

warm marlin
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the amount of times in the past my friends and i have brought some rat alt to a key and invited a random of the same spec (because they were a good applicant) just for them to get gapped 20-30ilvls down is telling

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if anything obr might be too good for what it is

swift tinsel
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yeah or the classic fotm rat

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I kinda like how it holds cd's for you

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so you can choose the better time to use them

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or learn to

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and the gcd penalty is actually pretty generous

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unless you're playing outlaw lol

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I was an OBR hater at first too bc I thought it was making things too easy but after thinking about it for a while and seeing it as more of a learning tool I think it was a great addition

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its not meant for me to engage with

carmine portal
swift tinsel
#

okay but how often do regular dps just not do that stuff too

grand wyvern
swift tinsel
#

all of those utliity things are personal decisions

carmine portal
#

They do it noticably more when its on their bars and theyre not drooling on their hands Obring lol

swift tinsel
#

idk that's a bit of a bad faith argument

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you run the risk of playing with people that aren't good at interrupts or stops in any pug environment, I bet every single person in here has had dungeons like that many times over

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or the hunter who doesn't lust

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etc etc

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chatting in a chat server, imagine a world

carmine portal
#

Sure, yeah, but id love a way to mitigate that risk

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Minimize it rather

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I would simply not take someone marked as an OBR user

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Obr user: almost guaranteed to not use essentials.

Regular player: more likely to use essentials, especially at or above certain levels

carmine portal
grand wyvern
#

i would want full soloq, without all the gatekeeping fotom bullshit for a laddar, and the ability to play with your friends unranked, but my wants are usually not popular

swift tinsel
#

I'd vibe with a soloq

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if implemented well

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i.e. has at least one brez and lust

slate marlin
#

and remove raid buffs

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or give scrolls

swift tinsel
#

now if blizz would just give 1:1 scrolls and drums

north schooner
#

with all that yapping I believe haptics has contracted a maffliction monkaGIGA

swift tinsel
#

Access is being a shit so I'm stuck on a load screen constantly

north schooner
#

good drums would be godsent frfr

swift tinsel
#

yeah it would be an exceptional QoL change to have

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have a vendor in the bubble

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that sells them all if the dungeon is at mythic difficulty

carmine portal
#

Torghast vendor all over again

swift tinsel
#

or give them back to scribes idc

#

1:1 scrolls and drums would fix SO many issues

north schooner
#

make them like 80% the real buff and it's enough

swift tinsel
#

wouldn't completely destroy the meta slave mentality but would help a lot I think

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like obv there'd still be best specs but it wouldn't be because of raid buffs

charred thicket
#

!wa

wicked joltBOT
slate marlin
#

drop patchnotes pls

left ledge
#

Bp buff

lean cradle
#

!mistakes

wicked joltBOT
#

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

  • Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
  • Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
  • Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
  • If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
north schooner
#

backstab nerf

slate marlin
#

gloomblade buff

bleak night
swift tinsel
#

shuriken toss buff

slate marlin
#

tornado right behind shadowblades, u always have to pick it

bleak night
#

tornado roots you like boon trinket

swift tinsel
#

if I turn into a tornado make of shuriken I would talent it ngl

slate marlin
#

you become your clon

#

obr takes control of your character

#

and u just copy them for 30% of the dmg

left ledge
#

B

#

P

slate marlin
#

biggest bp buff would be making it work with dn

swift tinsel
#

yeah outside of making evisc cleave with DN that's the only way to make that shit 'work'

#

since we can't spatter our shit

slate marlin
#

yep

#

making it also a buff on you

#

instead of debuff on target

#

would be awesome

#

but not happening any time soon

swift tinsel
#

you mean marks?

bleak night
#

sorry you're a deathstalker, marking someone to be creepily attached to is just class fantasy

swift tinsel
#

bc they'll never do that

bleak night
#

also you're sub anyway just press shadow dance or something nerd

swift tinsel
#

ye mark juggling as sub is basically a non-issue outside of edge cases

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quite bad for sin tho

bleak night
#

yeah its just literally every other part of deathstalker that sucks for sub

swift tinsel
#

yep

north schooner
#

FW buff

swift tinsel
#

idk I can see a version of DS that's actually fun for sub

#

but it is not the current version by any means lol

hazy breach
#

Initially the gameplay loop was to have 2 darkest nights per dance

#

But then they bugged DN so it didnt work garf

swift tinsel
#

yikers

#

the DN/mark thing is just

#

so bad

#

completely ints the entire gameplay

vale pine
#

DS just focuses on solving the wrong problems

#

so it feels not engaging

swift tinsel
#

by introducing problems exlusively

vale pine
#

every gameplay mechanic either creates or solves a problem, it can be interessting if well put together

swift tinsel
#

like conceptually offering better prio/funnel damage

#

neat

vale pine
#

or boring if done wrong

swift tinsel
#

but the execution is awful

vale pine
#

so if DS is not exciting, its because it was designed with the wrong problem space in mind

slate marlin
#

idk what problem ds solves

#

funnel dmg?

swift tinsel
#

I like the idea of Marking a target and doing increased damage to them. Clear the Witnesses could have some cooler interactions for aoe if they went into that design space, Hunt Them Down is boring as hell, Singular Focus could be great for sub to get some funnel back, Fatal Intent kekw, Corrupt the Blood could be another interesting design space to add to, Lingering buffing damage outside of CD's is kinda eh and serves to bump up the baseline a bit so its just a version of Lingering Shadow we talent into (if it worked), Bait n Switch is solid defensive value, Momentum/Follow (if it isn't still bugged) for some extra aoe dmg to funnel into Singular is an idea, Shadewalker/Shroud of Night niche but okay ig, and DN if it worked with BP or was also just 5+ cp would be nicer

#

a fair bit of "these aoe damage increases can funnel into Singular but the rest of the tree is hindered by DN being shit"

errant ferry
#

Stupid question probably, but I’ll ask anyway. Outside of blades when is the right time to use dance vs save dance for the next blades window?

warm marlin
#

Dance has a dynamic cooldown because of cdr by spending combo points so it’s not a simple question to answer

#

You want to have approximately 1.5 charges ready for when you press flag so you send dance around that

#

Usually 2 dances between first and second flag, 1 dance between second and third, 2 between third and 4th, etc.

#

Alternating basically

slate marlin
#

amazing trinket tuning

#

rly good changes

swift tinsel
leaden plover
graceful crown
naive zodiac
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
astral axle
chrome palm
#

if we have ub ready without flawless form up in aoe, would it make sense to storm before proccing ub to preserve shadow technique stacks?

swift tinsel
#

Makes sense to me

lilac stag
#

@hazy breach trinket hotfixes just dropped it looks like

astral axle
#

actual trinkets or the doodoo ones

swift tinsel
#

Doodoo delve ones

#

Iirc none we use

#

Oh they added the blue ones, when I opened it before it was just the green rarity ones

chrome palm
#

classic wowhead

swift tinsel
#

Void knocked out of contention id guess

astral axle
#

oh the void touched thing. well, that's too bad. prism it is ig

chrome palm
#

Well it was contending with passives not prism

delicate current
#

Dungeon trinkets desperately need tuning

chrome palm
#

Idk that 2min from raid needs something

#

Monkeys paw is going to be prism buffed so everyone that can roll on it wants it

astral axle
#

Ohh it was contending with things like pacemaker

chrome palm
#

Yeah you just collect a pacemaker now probably

#

Honestly for the better who wants to farm a heroic delve trinket

warm marlin
#

me and my week 20 dinar pacemaker about to be best friends once again

random comet
#

Pacemaker my first purchase always and forever ❤️

swift tinsel
#

I’ll sell both kidneys for a buffed lily with passive mastery on-use agi

chrome palm
#

Main had to dinar it

delicate current
warm marlin
#

💯

lilac stag
#

That’ll teach you for straying from rogue

warm marlin
#

arcane kinda sick though

#

fun spec

lilac stag
#

yea

#

Enhance is fun too. Just a little bloated button wise.

delicate current
#

That'll teach you for daring to touch boomkin honestly

lilac stag
#

Me in rogue prison because they’re impossible to recruit.

warm marlin
#

what an awful experience

delicate current
#

Dude it's so bad

#

I played it for whatever the fuck that bosses name was

#

And then for some keys

#

Legit falling asleep

lilac stag
#

I love our boomie. Dude is a stand up guy. Also helps and does mechanics. All other boomies suck. 🫶🏻

chrome palm
delicate current
chrome palm
#

Normal kezan goes crazy

warm marlin
delicate current
#

Pvp jump scare

#

Is badge 90seconds

warm marlin
#

like 4 split heroic clears and so many pug runs

#

it just didnt drop at all

warm marlin
delicate current
#

Oh god

chrome palm
#

Lmao

warm marlin
#

no transmitter since i didnt play sub last tier

chrome palm
#

Just keep transmitter on bro

#

LOL

warm marlin
#

the way the dinar hoc was in my inventory 45 minutes after reset

spice matrix
#

Thank god for dinar

delicate current
#

On god

#

I didn't get shit on my druid

#

We saw one jastor diamond all tier

#

And it was normal

#

Oh no last week someone looted a hero track warbound one lol

warm marlin
#

our poor boomie was still waiting to use his last dinar until our very last raid week because everything exclusively dropped when loot buyers were there

delicate current
#

Pain

#

Yeah I had to dinar ring two trinkets

#

I only just got my slot machine 2h last week

#

Out of my vault lol

#

I wish I knew I was going rogue before this week I could use another mythic reclear

lilac stag
#

sorry for your unfortunate luck

delicate current
#

Coming from feral man

#

Anything is an upgrade

lilac stag
graceful rock
#

So what pieces am I putting my focusing lenses on CatDespair wrists and neck?

delicate current
#

I mean feral is fun but it's more ignored than rogue for sure

hazy breach
delicate current
#

My favorite was they buffed one of Feral's talents a few weeks ago that the week prior they specifically made not work with the tier set

hazy breach
#

Bracers, belt, neck, ring or an offpiece

graceful rock
#

Ill probably just move my boots slot to wrists and move my neck to belt when it beats out delve belt

hazy breach
#

Youll probably be playing without or with one embellishment for a while anyway

#

And thats fine, theyre very close to completely useless

warm marlin
#

you can throw it on weapon when you craft it first and then 2nd one whatever you end up crafting it, maybe with the free runed crest thing that we normally get

#

easy to move around

delicate current
#

When do we expect to drop the delve belt btw

#

Just a robot angle

hazy breach
#

710ish

drifting fable
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
chrome palm
native zodiac
#

i played gally with transmitter Voidge

#

think we had 1 hoc drop in 4 weeks of clearing hc/normal

warm marlin
#

our other split group had like 5 drop and mine had 1

#

unlucky

native zodiac
#

we sadly dont do splits

tawny plume
#

!fuu

wicked joltBOT
native zodiac
hazy breach
#

Yes

lilac stag
#

@hazy breach did you run weapon enchant sims? Kinda curious if the stats enchants got any closer.

regal ingot
#

Is simulationcraft not working for anyone else on ptr?

hazy breach
lilac stag
hazy breach
#

Yes better than the depths or radiant

lilac stag
#

interesting. Wonder how many specs are like that. Maybe have to change up enchanting production. kekdog

hazy breach
#

Most probably, theres already a few on live

alpine wraith
#

so crit or mastery kidna good

#

or even vers

hazy breach
# 
Manaforge Omega 2-set bonus – Now increases effectiveness of Deathstalker damage effects and bonuses by 40% (was 50%).```
#

We're so back

warm marlin
#

nimble fix

#

holy moly

tender frost
#

Wait does that say nimble works with sb now

#

HUH

warm marlin
#

and 5% aura

hazy breach
#

Yes but not in the way we'd expect

#

From the notes it seems like it would make nimble 80% (or 72%) while active

tender frost
#

That’s interesting

shut ridge
open vortex
#

nimble with blades?

delicate current
hazy breach
#

Correct

ashen ibex
#

Hi again

#

It’s me

#

The dk main guy

hazy breach
spice matrix
#

Flurry nerf?

hazy breach
ashen ibex
#

What’s good

#

Back in business ?

spice matrix
#

oh

#

buffed

#

i read that wrong

hazy breach
#

its nerfed outside blades

#

Buffed inside blades

#

Nerfing deathstalker tier though

#

I have no idea whats going on there

bleak night
#

deathstalker too op

shut ridge
#

it still exists so we must go further

bleak night
#

i guess they must think whatever that fix was would be big

hazy breach
#

Well making nimble 72% or 80% during blades is really strong

delicate current
errant ferry
lucid jackal
#

its probably a ST buff and a no aoe buff

errant ferry
#

for sure an AoE buff here with the blades working with NF now

hazy breach
#

Would surprise me if it wasnt a buff, but again it depends on whether 20% more makes it go from 60>72% or 60>80%

#

And we also got a 5% aura buff

#

So

bleak night
#

sub tier confirmed

spice matrix
#

they gave us back the 5% they took from us

lucid jackal
#

Guys how can I complain about this?

#

What the fuck am I suppose to do

bleak night
#

wtf they nerfed nimble outside of shadowblades

errant ferry
#

maybe im just bad at math, but i cant see how a 5% NF nerf in any way is an overall nerf with a 5% aura and it benefiting from blades now, even if it is just 60-72%

bleak night
#

now i'll do no cleave outside of cds

kind bluff
#

No they nerfed it outside then buffed all dmg

lilac stag
short radish
#

Can someone tell me how I'm supposed to react to these changes? Thank you

warm marlin
lofty lance
ashen ibex
#

Sub rogue tmrow

IMG_7934.png
#

Kek

lilac stag
# ashen ibex Sub rogue tmrow

“Fixed an issue causing Undeath to benefit only one Death Knight in a group with multiple Death Knights”

Stacking DKs back on the menu.

ashen ibex
#

But wait

fierce wigeon
#

cold blood Pog

ashen ibex
#

With nimble buffs

#

We press more Evisc

#

Or some shit

#

In cds

#

Tell me the targets

#

Or I sandbag tmrow

pulsar hemlock
#

15+

warm marlin
#

no more BP on 3 targets in blades prayge

ashen ibex
#

Like I do

lilac stag
#

we wanted more BP presses. Damnit blizz

#

They’re just toying with our emotions at this point

brittle plinth
#

Ask me about my irrational hatred of warlocks

image.png
#

I won't even finish leveling mine

pulsar hemlock
#

All this just to hit us with a 10% aura nerf and a 8% Sectec nerf week 1 of mythic

#

Bet

left ledge
#

guys

#

i figured it out

#

they spin a wheel

#

and then just stop it at a random thing to do

lilac stag
#

wtf are we missing that called for this: Manaforge Omega 2-set bonus – Now increases effectiveness of Deathstalker damage effects and bonuses by 40% (was 50%).

left ledge
#

because actually what the fuck are any of these changes ICANT

warm marlin
lilac stag
#

The CB makes sense

lucid jackal
#

Guys I managed to find somebody complaining

#

About a buff

delicate current
#

Ya they just want to make sure that no one plays DS sub

#

Saving everyone from themselves

lilac stag
shut ridge
#

some of us complain for the love of the game

#

it's like breathing

lilac stag
left ledge
#

im sorry do we have people who cant read in here

swift tinsel
#

Wait we actually got the blades fix

left ledge
#

what even is their approach to this upcoming season

#

fucking slapping flex tape but the flex tape is just number up on random shit

shut ridge
lilac stag
#

Is the KS buff enough to not cancel it kekw

swift tinsel
#

Blades added to nimble and a 5% aura buff

#

Pinch me

hazy breach
#

More PTR class tuning

https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ghosts-of-k’aresh-development-notes/577478/11

All damage increased by 5%. Does not affect PvP combat.

Nimble Flurry percent of ability damage dealt reduced to 60% (was 65%).
Nimble Flurry now deals a matching percent of increased damage while Shadow Blades is active (20% PvE; 10% PvP).

Manaforge Omega 2-set bonus – Now increases effectiveness of Deathstalker damage effects and bonuses by 40% (was 50%).
Fixed an issue that prevented Deathstalker damage events from benefitting from the Lingering Darkness effect.```

- 5% Aura buff is good ![Surebud](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083827360815665235.webp?size=128 "Surebud") 
- ![NimbleFlurry](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1272172892641165414.webp?size=128 "NimbleFlurry") Nimble flurry nerfed but now interacts with Shadow Blades ![ShadowBlades](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1272171997534879807.webp?size=128 "ShadowBlades")  (it previously didnt). ![ShadowBlades](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1272171997534879807.webp?size=128 "ShadowBlades") now makes nimble go from 60% > 72%. It is neutral/a small buff relative to the always 65% we had in the previous ptr patch (its 60% on live still). So overall still a nice bugfix, even though its implemented in an unintuitive way.
- Deathstalker tier nerf is just really strange, it wasnt particularly strong before this so not sure whats going on here.
- Technically they changed ![coldblood](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1056069105507115009.webp?size=128 "coldblood") Cold Blood to go on CD earlier too, but its largely irrelevant as Sub, mostly an Assa change.

Overall this bugfix was very welcome and a aura buff ontop is great. Not much to complain about this time, GJ blizzard ![Surebud](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1083827360815665235.webp?size=128 "Surebud")
swift tinsel
#

Hell yeah

hazy breach
swift tinsel
#

I’m pumped

lilac stag
#

if outlaw goes to slow mode I’m assuming it was.

shut ridge
#

yay, now i know how to feel about the notes

plush roost
#

we are so back

smoky tide
#

I couldn't understand the CB, can someone explain it to me please?

swift tinsel
shut ridge
left ledge
lilac stag
left ledge
#

now lasts 15 sec

hazy breach
#

When you press CB it goes on cooldown, instead of you needing to use a spell

left ledge
#

Now increases effectiveness of Deathstalker damage effects and bonuses by 40% (was 50%).

#

they really should just delete deathstalker

hazy breach
#

Most notable for fatebound

left ledge
#

just make it not an option for sub

hazy breach
#

Irrelevant for sub

distant bison
left ledge
hazy breach
#

The biggest buff is the nerf to other classes garf

left ledge
#

blades working with nimble is a welcome bug fix though

#

i guess

indigo steppe
#

Are we back??

short radish
distant bison
#

dude what we need is aoe gouge without losing aoe blind and 5% of crit buff to the raid

#

utility and raid buff

#

we s tier

left ledge
#

and yeah about the blades thing

#

why is it so weirdly worded

shut ridge
#

smoke bomb 11.2.5 truther trust bro

short radish
#

Yeah an actual raid buff would be nice

stoic reef
#

Damn we got 5% aura buff

short radish
#

But we take these

chrome palm
#

any coup tier testers on ptr

stoic reef
#

Thats quite great for m+

chrome palm
#

is it still buffing the wrong one

lilac stag
ashen ibex
#

The tier to 40% is surely a typo

distant bison
#

smoke bomb would be sick also pull all the casters in

stoic reef
#

Yoo

#

That would be huge

plush roost
#

"we would really prefer if you didnt play DS sub"

chrome palm
#

based nerf tbh

hazy breach
indigo steppe
short radish
left ledge
distant bison
#

casual go back to dk discord man 😄

stoic reef
#

Is deathstalker fun? Never tried it outside of pvp

left ledge
#

i really cant tell what else is going on

left ledge
stoic reef
#

Then we good no?

lilac stag
left ledge
#

we're good because one of our hero trees sucks dick?

chrome palm
#

deathstalker nerfs are the best thing for sub

left ledge
#

i guess?

swift tinsel
#

Not gonna touch DS tier so the nerf goes to the void

lucid jackal
chrome palm
#

trickster is premium

left ledge
stoic reef
#

Atleast they dont nerf trickstet

#

Trickster is fun, you just pull like 20M burst on some pulls

#

Live server

swift tinsel
#

Has anyone been able to check if 4pc is buffing second coup yet or are servers down atm

hazy breach
#

Its not going live now

left ledge
#

im gonna assume it just buffs the nimble damage by 20%

hazy breach
#

With hotfixes that will be deployed over the next few days, we will be making the following class adjustments on the Ghosts of K’aresh PTR:

swift tinsel
#

Ah gotcha

#

Either way I’m jazzed

left ledge
#

was really hoping for more bp buffs

#

oh well

bleak night
#

next time dw

left ledge
#

with the DS nerf, the dream of a BP DS only sub tier is gone

swift tinsel
#

Did not expect them to actually implement the blades nimble interaction

hazy breach
#

Fatebound assa probably does similar burst to us now garf

bleak night
hazy breach
bleak night
#

until another add walks up anyway

ripe flame
#

Fate intertwined kiddo

swift tinsel
#

Yeah I’m hoping it’s a litmus test and they just add nimble to whilelist for blades

#

Bc it’ll get reduced by armor as-is

#

Cursed

left ledge
#

Fixed an issue that prevented Deathstalker damage events from benefitting from the Lingering Darkness effect. i wonder how much this affects DS

hazy breach
#

Im assuming its 72% since that would match with blades damage increase

warm marlin
#

80% is a nice round number tho

hazy breach
#

But who knows

#

Ye

warm marlin
#

and nimble for outlaw is a flat increase in the same way

hazy breach
#

And also blades isnt really 20%

#

Since we have shadow increases

warm marlin
#

he said, coping out of his mind

hazy breach
#

With DB its like 25%

left ledge
#

yeah but my question is

#

and i said this earlier but guy apparently has fuckin insider knowledge he doesnt wanna share

#

why is it worded like that

#

is it gonna do matching SHADOW damage?

#

is it gonna do just matching percent increased PHYSICAL damage?

#

is it gonna interact with any of our magic/shadow amps?

swift tinsel
#

Probably not

left ledge
#

why isnt it just added to blades man

hazy breach
#

The second im pretty sure

warm marlin
#

probably too hard to fix

swift tinsel
#

But it should be easy

left ledge
#

i mean from the way its worded i THINK the second too

swift tinsel
#

I say, not knowing how annoying it would be to implement

left ledge
#

but i guess we wont know till we test it

stoic reef
#

How good do you guys feel this tierset is compared to the one from s2

#

Trickster

swift tinsel
#

More burst more rng

#

I’m a fan

left ledge
#

you can feel the tier set

#

and not just get mad when you see winning streak drop

stoic reef
#

Thats great

lilac stag
#

don’t track winning streak and you won’t get mad

left ledge
#

id love to do that

#

but unfortunately if im at 8 stacks

#

i have to rupture like a monkey

lilac stag
#

just don’t track winning streak

#

That’s under your control

swift tinsel
#

Hey realz can we please get a clarification of how the 20% nimble increase will be implemented love youuuu

lucid jackal
#

LOL

left ledge
#

idek wtf you're on about ngl

lucid jackal
#

I dont have insider knowledge tf

stoic reef
#

Wouldnt it be amazing if rogue had like a sort of vile taint ability

lilac stag
#

You’re better off not pressing anything anyways.

left ledge
tribal blade
#

!guy

left ledge
stoic reef
#

Are they implementing that fr?

swift tinsel
lilac stag
tepid trellis
stoic reef
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Oh you mean they finnaly fix shadowblades

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Noway

left ledge
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maybe its just whatever you flurry while in blades is just increased by 20%

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uh

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"fix"

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maybe fix, we dont know because of the wording, but it seems like its more of a bandaid fix

stoic reef
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Bro

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We are

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100%

left ledge
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either way its supposed to do more damage

stoic reef
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Getting nerfed

lucid jackal
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Can't we just check it on patch day

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Who cares, its a buff

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W

left ledge
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ye i mean we'll have to

stoic reef
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Its gonna be pure madness

swift tinsel
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Nah we’re getting buffed again

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And again

left ledge
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we are not getting nerfed

swift tinsel
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And again

left ledge
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idk what you're smoking

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but some of the other specs can dogwalk our dps

stoic reef
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Yeah true

lilac stag
stoic reef
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Was just hype taking over

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Sry

left ledge
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no hype here

frank harness
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stares at warlock

left ledge
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only doom and gloom

swift tinsel
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Nah I’m pumped lfg

shut ridge
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never stop dooming

left ledge
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im dooming permanently until they buff black powder to where its better than evis in ST

stoic reef
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Why would it be

lapis dew
stoic reef
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Wouldnt that be too strong

slate lantern
shut ridge
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quarantine breach

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wee woo

left ledge
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mmm

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powder

slate lantern
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Purple good amiright

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See? I'm one of you already

left ledge
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outlaw got buffed too

tepid trellis
left ledge
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dont you guys have better stuff to talk about there

shut ridge
slate lantern
left ledge
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i cant relax stealthi

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my villain arc is ruined

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Manaforge Omega 2-set bonus – Now increases effectiveness of Deathstalker damage effects and bonuses by 40% (was 50%).

slate lantern
left ledge
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it was supposed to be a buff

shut ridge
smoky geyser
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Nerfing deathstalker seems strange.

slate lantern
shut ridge
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so you can't restore it

swift tinsel
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I’m actually gonna run sub keys now

lilac stag
tribal blade
iron temple
tribal blade
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i'm an actual prophet

warm marlin
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um achtually dk still got (close to) more

civic lava
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( am joking)

hazy breach
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Went and looked at some decently high sub logs from PTR (17s and 18s) and if blades makes nimble 72% (which is what i think it will do) then its maybe a 2-3% increase in Nimble damage specifically across a key, so pretty much neutral

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But more of the damage is tied to our cds, which better matches how we play in ST

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And obviously theres a 5% aura buff ontop of that

warm marlin
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presumably it will be more since you will evis cleave at higher target counts than before right?

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assuming the high key sub logs knew to bp at 3targets and such

hazy breach
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Ye thats fair

tepid trellis
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Uknow whats fair

hazy breach
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But either way shouldnt be much of a difference, only thing you can really argue is more prio

tepid trellis
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Ds catching strays

tribal blade
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yeah i'm confused about the DS thing

tepid trellis
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We take it

slate lantern
tribal blade
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did the lingering fix give that much dps that they need to nerf the set

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but who cares tbh

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let DS die in a fire

hazy breach
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I mean Sub buffs and Deathstalker nerfs

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Cant have a much better tuning post really

tribal blade
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yeah i'm very surprised

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but happy

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good to see it

bleak night
tribal blade
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there is hope on the horizon

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oh how are the fatebound changes

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is it not bricked anymore

hazy breach
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It still gets fucked if theres more than 1 target

warm marlin
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goated tuning post

tribal blade
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mmm gotcha

hazy breach
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But maybe the number is high enough that you can tank the brick

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(not in keys, but for raid)

smoky geyser
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Since nimble got nerfed and buffed, that change seems overall neutral? Perhaps the only real change is 5% dmg buff lol

tribal blade
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the increased shiv duration for DS seems kinda weird too

bleak night
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when in doubt instead of fixing the problem just force raw buffs until the problem is ignorable

hazy breach
swift tinsel
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They’re trying to get less people to play DS bc they know it sucks

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And don’t wanna be told even more

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That it sucks

shut ridge
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my honest reaction to DS nerf

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hazy breach
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Longer shiv is arterial stonks

bleak night
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true

tribal blade
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oh true

hazy breach
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Down with the cleave build

bleak night
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bleed stonks

hazy breach
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Long live either full ST or bleed

tribal blade
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bleed stonks might actually be because they tuned garrotte, rupture to be stronger

smoky geyser
tribal blade
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with that change if you run bleed you can have 22 seconds of arterial running

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SHEEEESH

lavish girder
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yeah its a buff ot bleed build

bright elk
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a bit late to the party but HappyNugget catdance PU_PepeTwerk Pog ratJAM

viral phoenix
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@hazy breach for sub we treat CB like a 1:30 min cooldown with the second sec tech in cds right? that hasnt changed for this season at all into the next?

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like theoretically its optimal to get the 45 sec one out but with the variance of cdr in blades its not worth?

hazy breach
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Well if you happen to be dancing when CB gets ready you can use it immediately

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But ye nothing changes

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You just want to make sure its up for your Blades

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But for keys now its looking like Tea time

viral phoenix
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oh interesting, just macroed with dance?

hazy breach
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Yes

viral phoenix
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when you send the 45 sec CB do you ever hold the returning cds for a second or two to make sure it'll be back on cooldown? when i send 45 sec CBs I sometimes miss the following CB into sec tech cd cycle and wonder whats the proper way to play around that

hazy breach
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Just forget the 45s cb

viral phoenix
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sounds good to me

thick siren
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seems like sub's about to own

random comet
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Was already looking pretty good

thick siren
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yup yup

swift tinsel
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Went from feeling pretty good about next season to actively excited

warm marlin
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goated sub tier upcoming fr

swift tinsel
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Hell fuckin yeah it is

wicked urchin
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im stoked

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we gonna blast

serene notch
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Nimble Flurry now deals a matching percent of increased damage while Shadow Blades is active (20% PvE; 10% PvP).

plain quest
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we're not allowed to blast, nerf inc

swift tinsel
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even if its just the 72% instead of 80% I'm hyped

serene notch
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ive read that 10 times and am to stupid to understand

wicked urchin
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the deathstalker nerf is so confusing