subtlety

[steel zinc]

tbf eco first boss you can time for add pad 😄

[chrome palm]

i def didnt do 150m less boss dam

[steel zinc]

😄

[chrome palm]

but you are bursting 30 mil in aoe

[bright sundial]

puts a big grin on my face not seeing marks top with only explo tier

[chrome palm]

and sustaining the damage for really long

like 20 mil after 1 min on first pull

thats not too bad??

[bright sundial]

what really even vs dk you did that damnnnnnnnn

[chrome palm]

its just randos

[haughty mural]

Got a breakdown ?

[chrome palm]

this is overall the hunter left before 3rd boss

im using bp as much as a i can as well

[haughty mural]

Of the boss 😁

[bright sundial]

damn wish coup didnt take like 10 spots on it

[swift tinsel]

There’s a script to combine them

[tidal blade]

@chrome palm are you using that delve trinket

[haughty mural]

Thanks

[chrome palm]

yeah

[tidal blade]

wonder if thats going to make it til next week

[haughty mural]

I lost it somehow

[chrome palm]

i was gonna prestack it lol

it works by building up to 15 stacks

i had to step out of dungeon though

[hazy breach]

Does starting the key not reset it

Or are you doing the "be outside when the bubble drops" to not have it be reset

Because either way aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh thats so cringe (i will also do it)

[chrome palm]

no i just saw mapko mention prestacking it a while back but i didnt get the chance to do it

prestack trinket + predisorient + presymbols + prepot

[hazy breach]

Prestacking disorienting doesnt work if you go outside since its cleared on zone-change

[chrome palm]

yeah

i didnt get to prepull shit

[swift tinsel]

Im really surprised they aren't cracking down on pre-key stuff like this

they've chipped away at some of it here and there but there's still so much degen shit you can get away with

[chrome palm]

do you think they know about predisorient

[swift tinsel]

I would imagine it's at least on their radar

[fallow nimbus]

Critter canon outside, get cp, sectec critter on spawn

[chrome palm]

even assa is prepulling now with lingering darkness

[fallow nimbus]

Critter canon in instances doesn't work because reason

[swift tinsel]

can you duel inside an instance or is that only open world

[chrome palm]

you can pet battle

[swift tinsel]

even better lol

[slate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-of-my-asscards-yugioh-yami-yugi-gif-11271441

[steel zinc]

what % is prestack disorienting?

[hazy breach]

Like 0.8% or so iirc

[merry agate]

cursed af strats to make this shit compete

[alpine wraith]

btw try to snipe a sigil of cosmic hunt if you can from raid

it is surprisingly good at highrolling

[hazy breach]

Slightly more if you do the vanish opener with it (ie strike > flag > evis > vanish > strike > rupture > go)

[alpine wraith]

it also randomly cleaves

[chrome palm]

this to get cleaned by a half asleep mm

[merry agate]

[slate lantern]

everytime they use aimed shot they should have to complete a 5s osu! map

[swift tinsel]

I think the cleaves can independently crit too

[chrome palm]

trvthnvke

[swift tinsel]

I know the main hits can

but haven't looked at the splash in a sec

I'm likely locking that one in for reserve besides prism

[alpine wraith]

yea it will be less contested than antenna and forge

[chrome palm]

is antenna that good

[alpine wraith]

for others

[chrome palm]

i thought it was annoying even on a dummy

[alpine wraith]

mainly because it can highroll quite a bit

[swift tinsel]

idk it reads better than pacemaker

and the orbs can ironfur

[alpine wraith]

so some classes/specs that can use 30k extra crit on cds

will be super happy

we are like whatever

if it procs outside of cds it is also quite bad so it averages decent but not huge

[chrome palm]

i also havent seen anyone using projector

like at all

aka blue transmitter

[swift tinsel]

the 10sec duration kinda stinky on antenna too

[alpine wraith]

the void touched thingy seems quite interesting

you can kinda game it if close to cds

or play it on fights with adds

[swift tinsel]

180 run away if you're close

idk void seems super annoying to try and play around

[haughty mural]

Sigil and prism seem to be a easy to play around and quite nice for m+ I think

[hazy breach]

Theyre gonna tune stuff, but as of now you absolutely play voidtouched

Its not tied to killing blows, you just need to have tagged something that dies

And you get an extra stack

[haughty mural]

Nvm me then

[alpine wraith]

yea for add fights or m+ it seems ayaya

[graceful crown]

wouldnt be good if this increased your versatility by 6%?

[hazy breach]

Would be practically the same

[alpine wraith]

yea it would be decent

SoD defensive button pog

[graceful crown]

haste is meme

idk

[hazy breach]

Like the difference between crit and vers is very small

[alpine wraith]

big rupture situation

[hazy breach]

so

[tulip gorge]

do we know what trinket we are going to use next season?

is it going to be the mastery trinket or the crit one?

[hazy breach]

Were expecting trinket tuning this week

But its prism+pacemaker/voidtouched right now

[chrome palm]

i love [purple mastery delve trinket]

[hazy breach]

Thats the voidtouched one ye

[tulip gorge]

is prism the 2 minute trinket or the spyglass one?

[swift tinsel]

the theme, knife/drink/void-touched

[hazy breach]

Spymaster one

[swift tinsel]

meaning eleem gets hero track first vault

[hazy breach]

The 2 minute one is good too if the fight is shorter (like 5m or less)

[tulip gorge]

I assume the way it works is you just ignore trinket on the first CD window?

[hazy breach]

I havent even gotten em from vault, its from the maps

[swift tinsel]

even better lol

[haughty mural]

I hate don’t feel like using a 2min :3

Which essentially becomes a 3min

[swift tinsel]

you'll use it as a 1.5 after opener

unless you're talking about forge

[haughty mural]

Oh so prism regardless ?

[swift tinsel]

you'll still have 8-9 stacks every 1.5mins

[haughty mural]

Double on use meta pog

[swift tinsel]

just not for the opener

[hazy breach]

No

Prism OR forge

[haughty mural]

Kkk

[hazy breach]

as a 90s trinket or 3 min respectively

[haughty mural]

Yea what I was talking about

[swift tinsel]

will depend on timers

[hazy breach]

We'll see though, theres probably going to be trinket tuning

So that could change things up

[swift tinsel]

praying to reverse stats on lily so its agi on-use

[chrome palm]

do you think the raid 2min gets nerfed

[steel zinc]

right now in 11.2 or general?

[hazy breach]

In general for us

[alpine wraith]

yea after mastery got dr snapped we are in the crit vers train

actually mainly just haste a bit behind but also

[steel zinc]

the void touch gives you even in dr sth like ~65% mastery. When everything procced I had 200% mastery on ptr

[alpine wraith]

i did a silly thing

but i got bored

wanted to craft a full set of mastery gear

[hazy breach]

Theres kinda no shot the void touched one gets through a trinket tuning unscathed

[alpine wraith]

who knows

[hazy breach]

It might still be good though

[alpine wraith]

maybe they do a 50% snap

but then it would be kinda decent just not op

[steel zinc]

there is no way rogue gets no buffs

increase duration of Kidney Shot

[graceful osprey]

Correct, nerfs incoming

[alpine wraith]

2 seconds more to rupture

best i can do

blizz problably

[shadow snow]

yeah but rogue has so much utility like why are you crying guys....

[swift tinsel]

yeah like a double-resource-cost single target stun

or a group disorient that breaks on 1 damage

[shadow snow]

yeah and cloak dude

yeah that group blind is so broken

[alpine wraith]

yea what i like the most about rogue is that i can vanish to kill someone else on some mechanics

[shadow snow]

vanish is so busted. I can get out of combat whenever i want

[swift tinsel]

I have tallys on my wall for teamkills from vanish

[fallow nimbus]

Except when you don't

[grand wyvern]

17% of the times it works everytime

[shadow snow]

honestly our kit feels so overloaded. We have like everything. Immunity, cc, aoe cc. aoe dmg reduction insane dps nobody can even dream.

[alpine wraith]

yea im told all aug evokers are jelly of us

[chrome palm]

i cant even distract bosses anymore game is bricked

that was the ace up my sleeve when playing the old game of "who can get closest to the boss in stealth without pulling it"

[haughty mural]

Did someone read petkos tierlist on IV ?
We have so much utility

[astral axle]

bro is getting gpt to write for him no doubt

[slate marlin]

yes we have atrophic and shroud

and um

distract

and one aoe blind

Op utility kit

[alpine wraith]

you can also shiv

every 20 secs

1 target

[random mason]

also u have a ST stun that surely wont be hit by the stun diminishing returns from other classes

[slate marlin]

2 st stuns actually

1 requires stealth

[astral axle]

cheap shot

tech??!?

[slate marlin]

and the other is a finisher

I have used cheat shot on repeat in top magus pulls when pugs couldnt kick and i was stressed

[chrome palm]

Big for danse

When you shiv an enrage during premed

[alpine wraith]

tbh i have had fun using cheapshot then kindey on some pulls

cool way to begin the pull

before the ADHD aoe things bein

[swift tinsel]

can't hit stun DR yourself if you stun first

[alpine wraith]

yea 2 mobs stunned 6 and 8 secs

pog

tanks will love you

[shadow snow]

i gave him the spreadsheet we have here and he rejected it

[fluid moth]

wtb airborne irritant but for kidney shot

[swift tinsel]

almost got to have it

jk jk that was a pipedream

[shadow snow]

there are just not enough people playing the class for blizzard to care

[swift tinsel]

and there's not enough of blizzard to care

at the rate they're cutting folks its just gonna be execs left

[shadow snow]

well they seem to care for other classes like mage,dk, druid, hunter, paladin

[lucid jackal]

I don't think our player count has much to do with attention given

[swift tinsel]

with how long ret was kinda shit and also super popular it tracks at least somewhat that its unrelated*

[shadow snow]

maybe. I also believe nobody in the company plays rogue. Otherwise they would change stufff

[lucid jackal]

I think if you spent any amount of time playing other classes you would realize similar issues exist

at least, thats been my experience playing shaman, dh, paladin, warrior over the past few years

[swift tinsel]

yeah the amount of specs that are convinced they're getting a rework in midnight is notable

bc of their current probs

[lucid jackal]

ppl always want a rework

[shadow snow]

i dont really want a rework. We got one in df s3. Did not feel like much of a rework

[swift tinsel]

because it wasn't finished for sub

the framework (outside of fw existing) is good, just needs to be fine-tuned

[slate marlin]

Sub doesnt need a rework tho

but it needs some polish on the rough edges

[shadow snow]

yeah we just need a 20% ST dmg buff

[swift tinsel]

the only rework should be for sub aoe

[shadow snow]

and we are fine

[alpine wraith]

sub just has annoying things but those can be taken out quite easily

[swift tinsel]

^

[slate marlin]

Yep

some aoe polishing and bugfixes

and its goos

good

[swift tinsel]

shuffle margin of error talents into either buffed/functional versions or replace with things that make the kit/gameplay smoother

[alpine wraith]

like flag and blades are kinda weird to exist together after blades change

[slate marlin]

Maybe a rework for some talents (pv)

[alpine wraith]

and our capstones and talents leading to it are super unbalanced

[shadow snow]

also we could get hero talents from a real human and not prompted from chatgpt

[swift tinsel]

trickster is mostly fine

[swift tinsel]

just tweak redundant buffs

[alpine wraith]

tbh trickster is not fine coup alone has 4 bugs

and we cant track thousand cuts resets

[shadow snow]

coup is like so lazy design

[swift tinsel]

well yeah bugs nonwithstanding, from a basic design standpoint

I'd be thrilled if they went through the list and fixed all of them so the rest of the kit can be tweaked accordingly

instead of adding things to make up for bugs existing and not being addressed

[alpine wraith]

they did fix some of them

the rotten and tfd ones were annoying

[swift tinsel]

see Nimble buff but no fixes

yeah but they added more bugs than they fixed this ptr

[alpine wraith]

well nimble bug might be hard to fix

yea new tier set also being bugged

[swift tinsel]

conceptually it should be easy

[alpine wraith]

and likely staying bugged will be funny

someone literally put the amp on the wrong coup

[swift tinsel]

Nimble added to Blades whitelist

[slate marlin]

rotten one was extremely easy to play around

Nf isnt

[alpine wraith]

WHOOPS

[shadow snow]

it will stay bugged 100%

[alpine wraith]

goremaw still not cleaving since alpha

it cleaved then they decided no

then it stayed that way

added ER then deleted ER

[swift tinsel]

Just have abilities that nimble not nimble the shadow part of blades like it currently does

[shadow snow]

we need to make a petition to fix the bugs

[swift tinsel]

lol

that won't do anything

they're well aware

[shadow snow]

how are they aware and not fix stuff that exist for years. I believe they do not know these bugs

[swift tinsel]

You'd be surprised

[shadow snow]

especially the devs

[swift tinsel]

because they absolutely know about them

but likely a matter of which ones they can fix on top of whatever else they're doing

without breaking more stuff

which they do anyways

see Lingering and plague damage after 'fixing' it

[shadow snow]

if they know they cant fix an ability they should replace it some way

[swift tinsel]

that requires time and attention

which clearly is being spent elsewhere

gotta tune Psychic Link every couple weeks

takes a village apparently

[shadow snow]

i dunno all these issues seem easy in my eyes. They are probably have issue with the game engine. Its probably very hard to work with.

[swift tinsel]

It is shit

from all accounts

literal spaghetti mountain

and they cant just shut down the world to try and revamp all of it

bc people would cry to the high heavens for free gametime

like they do whenever maintenance is extended an hour

becaues they postponed their child's birthday party to log in and check vault

[night sparrow]

I tag M+ dungeons as Outlaw then secretly swap back to sub. Am I doing this right ?

[shadow snow]

they could have been working on the side to copy paste it into ue4-ue5

using a professional tool instead of the internal they build with intoxicated monkeys would resolve a lot of issues.

[alpine wraith]

you are overstimating people knowing the diff between outlaw and sub

[night sparrow]

tbf I get way more invits with this strat

i mean "way more" like from 0 to 2

CE + 3k5 doesn't seem enough 🥸 🤡

[shadow snow]

u need 4.5k

[alpine wraith]

with how easy it is to make alts people m+ pilled just only take the best

that is why i never bother to try and push or anything

[shadow snow]

you know whats crazy? I decided to play hard in season 3 for once.

[haughty mural]

did you roll fdk ?

[shadow snow]

i will level one to 80 tomorrow

[lucid jackal]

whats wrong with coup LOL

[shadow snow]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[alpine wraith]

has some funny things

like finality shadowed now tier set

[astral axle]

i think guy meant in response to coup being "lazy design"

[shadow snow]

the last 2 are making me laugh

[lucid jackal]

Correct

[alpine wraith]

it is nothing crazy just no idea why they made it 3 hits

[lucid jackal]

Cuz it looks cool

[alpine wraith]

a coup de grace is usually 1 hit to finish something

not some flailing

[lucid jackal]

Its cool

[shadow snow]

its whatever. Its the last talent. I wanted it to be something that rocks. Not another proc like shiet

[alpine wraith]

well better than DN

that for sure

dog ass talent

[swift tinsel]

I mean you do get five extra cp's worth of cdr every cast

and the extra flawless stacks

[warm marlin]

I would like coup more if it was just one large 2 hit eviscerate rather than a 6 hit thing

[lucid jackal]

It does huge damage and it gives giga CDR and giga flawless stacks

Its sick

[swift tinsel]

ye if they fix the 3/6 hits part

but that's a sub problem in general

[warm marlin]

As it stands it feels more like you press it for the flawless and such, obviously it does actually do damage but it doesn’t feel that way

[alpine wraith]

yea but i mean they could have called it anything but

[swift tinsel]

my lizard brain wants to see one big hit

[warm marlin]

yep

Also the late sht refund thing is annoying

[alpine wraith]

any day now

yea that it tracks per hit

[swift tinsel]

unironically believe if it showed up like that it wouldn't get nearly as much hate

[warm marlin]

A lot more noticeable on ptr

[alpine wraith]

is very annoying

[swift tinsel]

yeah almost feels like RS bug sometimes on ptr

lil ptsd when it happens

[warm marlin]

When I press coup at 6 sht I almost feel like I’m going to drop a bit of a gcd waiting to see if I proc

[astral axle]

ya but my coup don't jiggle jiggle it swish swish swish ya feel

[chrome palm]

The another thing with 2pc, it is very delayed when it procs

[swift tinsel]

if it was one big whabam

tho

coomtown

[warm marlin]

yes tho like u said is a bit of a sub problem in general

[alpine wraith]

well i guess the unseens will be annoying too

[dry plank]

Yes delay cp. charge before that. Not working cdr at first. Why people don’t like ability? Hmmmm strange

[warm marlin]

maybe nice for variance purposes though

[alpine wraith]

maybe will have a reminder when i have 2

[swift tinsel]

like a sound trigger

[alpine wraith]

because outside dance you dont want to spam stabs

[swift tinsel]

can UB be triggered by Successful Cast in Weakauras?

or bc its a proc, not

[alpine wraith]

and if you get coup you want to bank sht/energy

so you can actually use the second one LUL

[alpine wraith]

you can only track escalating

everything else is mumbo jumbo

[swift tinsel]

yeah using base aura, but if you use the more elaborate trigger

[alpine wraith]

the unseen hits you can track but it ends up being the same

[warm marlin]

There is a wa this tier that tracks it decently well, obv you can’t see the thousand cuts resets

[dry plank]

Give cool ability is no no. Give bugged shit potato garbanzo yes yes. Than fix bugs in 6month schedule = win win. Everyone happy to have such great ability ))

[warm marlin]

I think new 2p bricks it though

[alpine wraith]

tbh the funniest thing will be using storm in between coups

[swift tinsel]

bc iirc there's a way to have it trigger when you get 2 successful casts within 1 sec or a given amount of time

so in that case you could have a sound alert

when you get a double hit

[haughty mural]

hit me double

[swift tinsel]

but ig you can do that with EB stacks

[chrome palm]

Are you talking about tracking chance to UB

[swift tinsel]

nah

tracking when you get a double UB and having it play a sound

so no prediction like LE's aura

[chrome palm]

That one is also broke it thinks 2pc is consuming chance to UB

[swift tinsel]

I gave up on tracking the thousand cuts resets a while ago

and used LE's for a while

but for next season idk if it'd be useful to have one that plays a sound when UB double hits

maybe in the case of it going from 2-4 so you know not to send strike/bs

can tinker after work/gym tonight

unless a bigger brain wants to get there first

similar to shadowcraft/ace refunds

[alpine wraith]

sound on double hits will be likely what i use

and maybe a tts on the stacks i end as

so if i go from 1 to 3 i know it is ok

but 2 to 4 no

[swift tinsel]

yeah the tts is a nice idea

[slate lantern]

COLL ECT BUFF

[manic island]

sub looking better for s3 than s2?

[alpine wraith]

kinda sameish but bosses look more welcoming

[manic island]

ah so slightly less painful to play in m+

also nearly 2/3 of the way through the xp and sub is STILL bugged

hey just give aura buff

[spice matrix]

Are we saving coups for dances in between flag/blades or just sending those

[sullen hare]

pretty sure we're just sending

unless it's literally like a global away

[spice matrix]

Ty

[alpine wraith]

you may need to pool some energy/sht sometimes

to not miss the second coup

as in dont use the first one too soon and then in next 5 seconds not be able to build for next one

[jaunty heath]

Any rotational changes that are locked in in the current state? This season burned me out so hard I couldn’t be asked to open any informational source this whole ptr

[swift tinsel]

mostly the same

just storm between coup and 2nd coup in blades if you don't get a refund

[alpine wraith]

you use storm between coups

and outside dances maybe sometimes you need to pool after proccing coup

to be able to use the second one before the buff fades

[swift tinsel]

Im a vanish enthusiast for later ones if I end up using it in opener

[shell willow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fluid moth]

What is the recommended storm storm talent build? I’m guessing it’s only for m+?

[left ledge]

Anything is better than this tier set

So yeah

[lilac stag]

So you enjoy more rng

[left ledge]

The main strength isn’t the rng

But sure

The current tier set doesn’t feel good when it procs and feels like shit when it doesn’t, then feels abysmal when you lose it on one single finisher outside of dance

[swift tinsel]

new one will have its own pain points if you don't get double hits in cooldowns

and can absolutely rng to the moon when you get a bunch

as far as I could tell during testing it's just a flat chance with no insurance/blp

[left ledge]

At least I’ll feel something when it procs

[swift tinsel]

hey there's still time for them to crater it like last tier

[left ledge]

[swift tinsel]

[left ledge]

S2 tier was actually criminal to do to us

[swift tinsel]

what can ya do

can shout into the void

[left ledge]

Play game or stop play game

Those are basically the options

[swift tinsel]

or play diff spec/class

[left ledge]

I’m token rogue

Unfortunately

[void ocean]

...and the void shouts at you

[swift tinsel]

nah it buffs BP

[left ledge]

You know

I’d unironically take bp buffs

Buff bp

Just make it the strongest ability in the game

[keen dome]

Do it

[plush roost]

oh is it dooming hours already?

ngl playing sub on ptr last few days has felt perfectly fine when things start living long enough

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

we'll be fine

not stellar, but the gameplay is mostly fine

[left ledge]

Ofc we’ll be fine

Because we don’t have a choice in the matter

[keen dome]

But they should buff BP again, anyway

[left ledge]

They really should

People here think I’m joking

[keen dome]

We're so close to comedy

[left ledge]

But I genuinely want to see BP become better than eviscerate

In ST

[keen dome]

I want to see how long it takes for it to be reverted. I am really interested.

And it'd be funny which is the best part

[left ledge]

Imagine going a whole season

Take a rasz style fight

“Don’t hit the adds guys”

black powder

Embrace the pad within us

[keen dome]

Well, we'd be hitting them with Evis anyway.

'Cos Flurry

[swift tinsel]

we're now ret paladins

[left ledge]

Nah I want flurry to be useless too

[swift tinsel]

but our bonk is a poof

[keen dome]

I do like that we glow purple for a moment when we BP.

[left ledge]

Isn’t that nice

Eviscerate doesn’t do that

[slate marlin]

can nf bugs be impactful if we only spam bp?

[keen dome]

Probably, somehow.

[lilac stag]

There are no bugs. It’s all in your head.

[keen dome]

At least it's not a worm.

[swift tinsel]

nah he's busy running HHS

[keen dome]

Who, the worm?

[swift tinsel]

yeah its a Ratatouille situation

[keen dome]

Nah, the Worm would be doing a better job.

Reverse Ratatioulle.

[astral axle]

I just want a raccoon hiding in my hat telling me everything to do for sub

[keen dome]

same

[slate lantern]

Stealthi?

[nova cairn]

Ye not you

[slate lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

[astral axle]

[delicate current]

basic question but why do you want blades/trinket after the first backstab?

[hazy breach]

Premeditation already gives you full cp from the backstab

[delicate current]

Oh right, thank you!

[steel zinc]

Today Rogue Aura buff I talked to Ion no more dooming needed then

[brittle plinth]

Dooming implies a change.

[celest mulch]

@hazy breach s3 raid a sub or sin angle?

I don’t want to brain

[vale pine]

sin gets some baseline buffs, which means it will be better early on

looking at simulations, all 3 specs are very close with gear, so will depend on the boss timings

[vestal escarp]

i feel like dooming more now

[celest mulch]

Hoping for some juicy dmg amps

[lilac stag]

If you enjoy one more than the other just play that one. There’s a lot of hopium going on with the dmg amps in here.

[vale pine]

why?

[celest mulch]

Just gotta wait for the week 2 changes per usual

[lilac stag]

8% buff to assa and 5% nature dmg added to 4pc

[warm depot]

always gotta doom and downplay

[vestal escarp]

just kidding, because i was told no more dooming needed

[lilac stag]

Have we hit maximum doom?

[vestal escarp]

im holding back

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-fight-me-angry-get-out-gif-15019636

#99

[celest mulch]

It’s not real dooming until the channel gets sent to slow mode

[shell willow]

We're a pure damage class with 3 specs what are the odds we aren't top of the charts. I think we'll be fine.

[celest mulch]

They need to re do outlaw to a full range spec

End rant

[lilac stag]

outlaw is our secret weapon on demon hunter council

[vestal escarp]

we'll never hit slow mode, even if some shit like 400% more plague dmg hits the blue post

we literally 5

[zenith egret]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel zinc]

@vale pine when ds sim in the sheet?

Otherwise no sub buffs 😭

[lilac stag]

NEVER

it doesn’t exist

[vale pine]

ds is like 10% behind, its not going to be the play

[jaunty heath]

Fiesta in sub channel

Full circle bro

Havoc to feral to rogue

My brother

[delicate current]

🧎‍♂️

the hidden lore is that I've actually played more rogue than any other spec

just super casually when I first started playing

[jaunty heath]

I see, I just love to see it

[delicate current]

[jaunty heath]

I remember peak felhammer

Then I see you in feral

Now here

Its fate

[delicate current]

actually just following you around tbh

[jaunty heath]

Where we dropping next

[delicate current]

a better game hopefully

[jaunty heath]

Nah I found my home tbh fell in love with this janky ass fully bugged spec

Can’t say I had more fun in this game

[jaunty heath]

Riot MMO when we hit the 50y mark

[nova cairn]

It's been discontinued so glgl

[jaunty heath]

Hence my joke with the 50yr mark hahahah

[nova cairn]

ohh hahaha

[jaunty heath]

Im far off that

[thorn yacht]

how does sub feel these days? haven’t tried it since aberrus but i liked it then

[jaunty heath]

I‘m curious if in todays age any mmo will ever release and be successful again, like long term success

I swear if new world released in its current state it could’ve been a banger, the fumble is so real

[alpine wraith]

mmos were quite niche

they usually survive with like 5k to 10k people

[jaunty heath]

Big burst nothing outside, but big number good

[alpine wraith]

wow and others are very rare to get so many people

[jaunty heath]

Ye it’s definitely been a nieche, I just wonder what would’ve happened if some of these games actually locked in

Idk if you saw current new world but it’s really fucking good, idk they released a game with actually no endgame content

[alpine wraith]

the lvl of investment needed is not going to happen

[jaunty heath]

They did get pressured by the fans tbf and probably by Amazon too

[thorn yacht]

people have been waiting for a “wow killer” for 20 years. i stopped holding my breath a long time ago

[jaunty heath]

Oh I’m not waiting for a wow killer tbh, I don’t think you can beat wow, even if wow dies at some point (unlikely) everything around it is just too big

[alpine wraith]

i mean even if the game is good or gets good it is not surely going to get the sales or money needed

[jaunty heath]

People have been playing the game for 20+ years

[alpine wraith]

and tbh mmos make a laughable amount of money vs gacha or mobile games

so investors just roll their eyes i guess if anyone pitchs an mmo for investment

[jaunty heath]

Oh ye mobile games fucking own any other game on the market

[small crag]

Which is so sad.

[jaunty heath]

To be fair even tripple A games can’t compete with mobile games and gacha

[alpine wraith]

also their players are just so ungrateful

here people will cry and bitch to pay 10$

there they riot because they cant spend more than 3000$ weekly

[small crag]

But they'll pay for those 4800 diamonds, that converts to 9600 in-game ruples, that they can buy a skin with for $20. 🌽

[alpine wraith]

i would welcome lots of cool sfx and mtx in wow

[jaunty heath]

Oh bro ye it’s crazy

[slate marlin]

the way i see it 13€ a month fir all the time i spend at wow is laughable

[alpine wraith]

if it meant they invested in the game

[jaunty heath]

I got a friend playing the fucking solo leveling game

[alpine wraith]

bro i spent like 15k in PoE

[jaunty heath]

He’s pretty well off

He spent like 50k ish

[alpine wraith]

even with playing 20 years of wow

i dont think it even gets to 10k

[warm depot]

LMFAO

[jaunty heath]

The solo leveling game is out for like what, a year now?

[alpine wraith]

and i bough several collectors editions

[warm depot]

dude the amount of money i spend on poe or gacha games

is crazy compared to wow

[small crag]

I spent way too much on diablo immortal, i know that.

[warm depot]

fuckin giga packs every league

fuck it man i need the hats

[alpine wraith]

yea thy just need to rip the bandaid and create shit people would spend money on

[small crag]

At least like $1k i bet

[alpine wraith]

i want a cool eviscerate

that sends velociraptors around

[warm depot]

thats how they give us kyveza sub

[alpine wraith]

yea man

[warm depot]

as the first spec cosmetic

[jaunty heath]

I mean the problem really is you can’t play those games without spending, don’t think that’s the case with Poe, but with gacha games

[alpine wraith]

ky veza sfx pack

15 $

[warm depot]

nah you can

[alpine wraith]

TAKE MY MONEY

[warm depot]

its just very predatory

[small crag]

But like, how much do you think blizz made on the AH mount - honestly?

[jaunty heath]

Said friend is in the #1 guild in that game or smth

[warm depot]

and very good marketing

[jaunty heath]

And if he doesn’t spend x amount monthly

He’s not good enough

[alpine wraith]

like 1/20 than a gacha ganner

[small crag]

fair

[warm depot]

i have friends that have spent legitimately

over 300k on summoners war over the years

granted they are like the top players that do the esports shit

but its just so mindblowing thats even a number to reach

[jaunty heath]

It’s insane, I don’t wanna know what the biggest wale in clash of clans spent

It has to be in the millions

[small crag]

Games like that are total p2w shouldn't even exist - but we still play em.

By we - I mean the general gaming community.

[warm depot]

summoners war is one of the most earningest games out there

[jaunty heath]

I stay away of gacha games for a treason

[warm depot]

and its over 10yrs old i think top spenders are more than clash of clans

[jaunty heath]

If I did start I’d fucking melt my money

[small crag]

As soon as I realized I needed an excel spreadsheet with a formula to calculate how much stuff costed in immortal - i quit playing it.

[warm depot]

i play a disgusting amount of gacha games

[alpine wraith]

i mean you dont even need to have p2w like PoE it has cool packs and mtx every x months

[warm depot]

i used to spend a lot but now its maybe 50 bucks a month across all of them

[jaunty heath]

Idk which of these are bigger n shit but both of them are in the big league

[alpine wraith]

i would love if wow had a sfx pack every season

[warm depot]

yeah its absolutely disgusting how much they make

[alpine wraith]

or ability vfx because transmogs are kinda something people want to get ingame

[jaunty heath]

Like it or not people would buy that shit in masses

[swift tinsel]

I’m thankful I’m way too poor to justify ever spending anywhere near that much in a game

[warm depot]

one of my new coworkers used to work at blizz and he said theyre still pretty reluctant to heavily monetize wow because of the legacy people working there

[thorn yacht]

i don’t count mobile/gacha gamers as part of the “gaming community”

[warm depot]

i take that with a grain of salt but i think theres some truth to it

[warm depot]

unfortunately theyre the majority now LMFAO

[alpine wraith]

i mean it can make sense but same as they are losing people every time

gotta get on with the times if you want to protect the investment

otherwise you get what we get

[thorn yacht]

there are a lot of them, but my point stands

[alpine wraith]

indian or chat gtp CS

[jaunty heath]

It’s the whole early access situation

[alpine wraith]

social accounts gotten to an agency

[jaunty heath]

Does it suck for us that have been playing

Ye

It’s dogshit

[alpine wraith]

that does not know english

[jaunty heath]

But everyone does it

And you need to keep up with said everyone

[warm depot]

yeah unfortunately

there are still some smaller studios that have morals

but man ai is just so penetrative its gross

[small crag]

It's not even AI that's a huge problem. It's like socially and mentally manipulative practices that exploit the "inner gambler" in gamers to milk them for every penny they have.

[jaunty heath]

I‘m very curious if housing will be the start of more shop inclusion

It’s like the perfect thing

To grab money

[warm depot]

oh i meant more on the CS side that hacha was talking about

[small crag]

yeah that sucks totally

[warm depot]

yeah every new product now is just a vector for monetization

working on some games i know that to be the truth unfortunately, you cant really propose a new feature or product without being asked how you plan to make money off of it

[jaunty heath]

That will never change tho, I collect tcg, opening a pack is like the biggest joy - same thing goes for games opening a lootbox and getting exactly what you want is just such a dopamine hit

[thorn yacht]

i think there will always be those of us who won’t fall for the gacha and mtx bullshit, meaning there will always be a market for real games

[jaunty heath]

You forget the other 600 loot boxes that gave you shit

[warm depot]

the psychology behind mtx over the years has been so interesting to study

like the initial shock of horse armour to now

is just baffling

[small crag]

I mean dude it's gotta be a multi-billion dollar business, with the right data behind it.

[warm depot]

oh it is

100%

even discounting lootboxes

[small crag]

oh yeah for sure

[warm depot]

like the last big game i worked on

didnt even have lootboxes

literally just cosmetics

and that was so insanely successful

and people kept asking for more

[small crag]

I mean I'd pay IRL money for some serious cosmetics in wow.

[thorn yacht]

i also think there’s a limit to the number of (psychologically vulnerable) people you can coax into being “whales”

[small crag]

And I mean like graphical changes to the animations too.

[warm depot]

the strat is actually not to market to the whales from my experience

they come regardless if the product is good

[jaunty heath]

To be fair whales are people that really don’t care about the amount of money they spend

Those people have it

Deep

[warm depot]

yeah

[jaunty heath]

In their pockets

[small crag]

Yeah 100%

Like the Elon Musks, or etc

[warm depot]

no lol

[small crag]

He can drop $100,000 down a drain and not notice right

[warm depot]

its rich ppl from not north america

LMFAO

[thorn yacht]

lol

[small crag]

Oh yeah there's a ton of others too

[thorn yacht]

arab princes

[jaunty heath]

Asia is huge in whales

[small crag]

Abu Dabi, etc

yeah

[hexed sluice]

Had a whale in an old raiding guild of mine, man would spend insane amounts of money on w/e game was the game people in the group were playing that month.

[warm depot]

if you wanna know where the whales are

look at where allt he gacha games are developed

china/korea/japan

ROFL

[jaunty heath]

Lost ark

Such a good game tbh

But whaling there was insane Hahahah

[hexed sluice]

Apex Legends, Bought literally everything off the rip before even playing a match, didnt like it cause he hated BR's. Never played again

[warm depot]

yeah just absolutely mindblowing stuff

[jaunty heath]

I mean just look at tarisland (lol)
All of liquid was playing it because sponsored but they also spent a shitton because they had fun

Iirc max said he definitely spent more than the sponsoring was

[warm depot]

yeah lmfao

the game doesnt even have to be good

if its fun to the right people

and the cosmetics are good

[small crag]

I mean wow can technically be considered similar. I bought some (with gold) 10's to get an alt caught up, and the dude messaged me with a IRL $ list later. You can buy 8 19's for $800 in wow too.

[warm depot]

you got em

[thorn yacht]

you mean if you pay the right people to play it lol

[small crag]

Although it's obtainable solely through gameplay - so not the same really

[jaunty heath]

Idk they did have a lot of fun tbh

[warm depot]

i mean paying them sure but if you get the right person thats all you need right?

[jaunty heath]

They played loads of hours off stream

[warm depot]

you just target whoever is most likely to play your game dont need the gen pop to enjoy it

[jaunty heath]

I guess I would fall in that too, if I had my whole guild just enjoying that game like hell ye

Theres a nice ass sword?

Mine

[warm depot]

yeah poe is a great example

its a really good game

but a lot of people are turned off of it

because of the systems

but they dont give a fuck

they have the people that WILL play

and they will also pay for dumb mtx

[thorn yacht]

i’ve played poe since open beta and i’ve probably spent no more than 50 bucks on it

[warm depot]

then you have ppl like me and hacha whove spent like 15k lmfao

[jaunty heath]

Good for you! Honestly! But there’s people that like buying cosmetics a lot

[warm depot]

yeah

[jaunty heath]

Whole reason league exists

Is skins

[warm depot]

like no shame in spending or not you know

so long as its within your means

[jaunty heath]

Their esports writes red numbers afaik and it’s one of the biggest in the world

But guess what

Those esports events make people pld

[small crag]

I'm so ok with people spending money on games though - if they have the money.
It's when people max out a credit card or whatever to do it.

[warm depot]

the only thing i will ever shame ppl for is buying boosts in any game

[jaunty heath]

And buy the skins the teams have

Etc etc

[warm depot]

just be better 4head

[thorn yacht]

i’m not going to tell people how to spend their money, but i reserve the right to think they’re suckers lol

[warm depot]

yeah and thats fine

[swift tinsel]

Lol the guy I worked with long time ago who was paycheck to paycheck because he couldn’t stay away from Overwatch boxes

[small crag]

I mean it's hard to start up a fresh 580 ilvl alt and try to get him ready for next season though, without buying a boost in wow.

(with gold)

[swift tinsel]

Idk if your guild is active enough you can get loot funneled

[warm depot]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-stop-him-brian-hull-how-can-we-put-a-stop-to-him-how-can-we-stop-him-how-will-we-stop-him-gif-7303810082392251465

[swift tinsel]

Depending on how ready for next season you’re expected to be

[jaunty heath]

It really depends on how you see it

It has been way harder in the past

[warm depot]

tbh i just force my guild to do keys with me if its like to be a raid ready alt

[swift tinsel]

^

[small crag]

I bought 4 10's on a new alt. I think it was like 380k gold. And I managed to then get invites to 8's, etc. I went from like fresh 80 to ilvl 671 so far.

[swift tinsel]

I’m in the same boat, if I needed it I just put a feeler in disc and boom

[small crag]

I consider 671 ready

[warm depot]

its a matter of if you want to do the keys or not and if you have people ready

[small crag]

I've never bought a key higher than anything i've already done that season though, you know.

on another toon

[swift tinsel]

Ours is a really social guild and people are usually running at least 10’s even now

[warm depot]

if youre a pug only player then its just up to you so eh

[jaunty heath]

Idk I feel like from 580 to around 660ish is insanely fast

So much random gear

[warm depot]

yeah even this late my guild always has people doing 12s or higher

[swift tinsel]

Only time I paid for clears was axe farming on alts in amirdrassil

And that was all gold

[warm depot]

idt ive ever paid for a clear

[small crag]

Oh yeah it is. The key is just getting invites to 7's - so you get hero tier. Then farming crests from there.

I mean I have 10's of hours invested in my own time too you know.

[jaunty heath]

Hell yes, buying last boss on 8 plate alts went hard

[swift tinsel]

I was semi-goblin mode and they were like 125-150k for a h fyrakk kill

[jaunty heath]

I just wanted one

[swift tinsel]

So it was literal pennies

Same, never saw one lol

[jaunty heath]

I got 2

Ofc my fucking ret got the first one

[small crag]

I remember trying to buy a Sanctum of Domination full AOTC run on an alt. I gave the guy 180k gold. Then I was just kicked from the group. I've never bought another raid carry since then.

[swift tinsel]

[warm depot]

best part about playing rogue is you only ever had to farm the daggers 4head

[jaunty heath]

And then last week of the season my warr got it randomly

[warm depot]

god if they ever make legendary daggers again*

im sure the entire playerbase will riot

[swift tinsel]

Lmao probs

“Only seven people will ever get to use them!!”

[warm depot]

lmfao

that shit was so funny

[jaunty heath]

Remember when evokers got a legendary in s1 that they didn’t call a legendary but everybody knew it was one

And then got a real one in s2

Ye I remember

I will never forgive lizards

[warm depot]

truly

idk their design choices for legendaries

is so weird

why are some just drops like raeshelare

and why are some quests

[swift tinsel]

I miss seeing the emote text every four minutes

A twiumphant cwy

[jaunty heath]

To be fair the quest ones they reintroduced in df right, the ones before in SL were just drops

[warm depot]

rogue daggers were quest

[jaunty heath]

Idk if there was legendaries in bfa I didn’t play back then

[warm depot]

tarecgosa was quest

nah bfa had the cape

[jaunty heath]

Ye but that’s not modern wow

[warm depot]

ongoing power mechanic

fair but the point still stands

they saw how awful quests were in cata

made them drops/borrowed power

then df they suddenly made them quests again?

[swift tinsel]

Fangs of the Father quest besides the collection steps were bangers

[warm depot]

lmfao

yeah the actual questline for fangs was dope

[jaunty heath]

I just don’t know why the axe quest was so fucking long

[warm depot]

and they still are dope ]

[jaunty heath]

I would’ve been fine with a quest

It’s cool gives flavor

But like

That thing took ages

[swift tinsel]

Tbh I’d be down if they gave us a Green Fire style thing for Shadow effects

Like legit as fuck effects

Obv still redo animations

Bc they’re stinky

[warm depot]

fuck that theres dev work there

[swift tinsel]

But to go even further beyond

[warm depot]

just sell them 4head

make more money

[swift tinsel]

Lmao based

Hey it would get more people playing rogue

[warm depot]

true

[carmine portal]

It wasn't discontinued, they deemed what they had "not good enough" or "not right" so started again

[zenith hollow]

whats the diff between writhing/ascendance vs 2x ele lens?

[pliant seal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187725955838529616/1399359895610069144/image.png?ex=688a0875&is=6888b6f5&hm=1d8bb4ef240c701ca7652b61976f62b0772822d673b6a75ab9743d8410782a2a
Atleast were doing better than tanks 🙂

[slate lantern]

very little, differences in embellishments are like 0.2% these days

[slate marlin]

ok wtf did that one enh shaman do

its whatever tho if we are low dmg at the start of the tier we will get buff

unlike when we were bottom later in the patch

[bleak ice]

!WA

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[shrewd wren]

is this ST or what are the parameters?

[north schooner]

ST

[shrewd wren]

ty

[warm marlin]

it’s sims and their tier is extremely casino gamba

[shut ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/casino-oldpeople-oldpeopleonslots-slots-vegas-gif-27586086

[open vortex]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fluid moth]

My guild is was like “at least you’re beating some specs…. Oh wait those are the tanks”

[lilac stag]

Way to be positive in the isle of doom!

[merry elbow]

where you find this

[swift tinsel]

Enh playing DRE again

Demonic iqr

[lilac stag]

I think totemic tier still doesn’t work

[swift tinsel]

Yeah there’s still a ton of buggy shit with it

[lilac stag]

So if we’re doing just above tank dmg in cds. Are healers beating us outside of cds?

[slate marlin]

maybe, but are healer raid frames yellow? no, they are a shit colour hoping they were yellow

[graceful osprey]

This real?

[tepid trellis]

it do be a picture of ptr sims

[graceful osprey]

Welp, more Copium for 12.0 it is

[tepid trellis]

its just a picture of undercooked sims, with ptr numbers, its not something you should worry about when you look at it

[graceful osprey]

I hope so

[tepid trellis]

sims will never give you a good estimate of whats good

that aint what they are made for

[mental shore]

heyo

someone have macro for Ghostly Strike with some skills?

[slate lantern]

ma'am this is the subtlety channel

[mental shore]

mb

[random mason]

/cast ghostly strike
/cast [insert action]

[lucid jackal]

I've already reroll Ed

[warm depot]

yeah i rerolled akuma

[chrome palm]

@hazy breach you can prestack void touched in keys

[vocal pine]

when sub is going to get some love ..

[north schooner]

it got some hate by having the void trinket nerfed, but no way it was making it live like that

[short radish]

with how many outlaw folks rock up, it may as well be the outlaw channel as well

just merge sub and outlaw into one

sublaw

[warped ferry]

there a reason most sub rogues are waiting like 30 seconds before using cds on mythic gally?

[spice matrix]

adds

[warm marlin]

to pad it up baby 💯

[warped ferry]

interesting, anyone got a video of a player doing that?

[chrome palm]

those adds need to die man

they are dangerous!!!!1

[warped ferry]

found a video and tried it just now, my cd memory was all over the place but i see the vision especially the ads before last phase

BIG cold blooded sec tech

[chrome palm]

i have a vod from my last kill if you want that also

[warped ferry]

yes that'd be great thanks

[warm marlin]

so true

[warped ferry]

holy

[chrome palm]

very good usage of sec tech

[warm marlin]

it was entirely critical to press it on the adds while boss was 0.5% hp

[chrome palm]

you saved the pull

[spice matrix]

do you stream my dude?

[warm marlin]

nop

too much work

[spice matrix]

[warm marlin]

i do record everything tho shoutout warcraftrecorder goated app

very nice for reviewing vods and such

[swift tinsel]

Antenna goated trinket

sorry for doubting you

[chrome palm]

?

[slate lantern]

Sub 🤝outlaw

🖕assa

[short radish]

fuck sin rogue

[thorn yacht]

what’s the #1 reason you hate sin rogue

[slate lantern]

Sin rogue enjoyers

[timber oracle]

So question since I'm not really too sure how to sim this. Got a 671 eye of kezan and a 658 Mechano Core Amp for M+. Is it worth using the Mechano Core over the Eye in M+ since the stacks seem a lil inconsistent

[short radish]

that they exist

also that they are the only one that gets any attention from devs

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

You exist with everything

[short radish]

[tulip gorge]

They’re very smug

[delicate current]

is there any decent alternative to a mythic house of cards I can grab from the m+ dinar or am I just stuck with the heroic one

[chrome palm]

no alternative

[slate lantern]

Mythic transmitter

[delicate current]

kk ty

am I like, completely boned going into next tier without it lol

[chrome palm]

no

theres two 1:30s from m+ you can get to replace your hoc

youd probably replace myth house with one of those too

[delicate current]

oh from next season?

okay sweet, ty

[runic kraken]

Yep, even at champion track probably.

[chrome palm]

yep a crit one from hoa and a mast one from eco

[delicate current]

Oh okay sick

less worried now, thank you

[lilac stag]

You’re not. It’s a shit trinket

[delicate current]

[lilac stag]

RL “get ready for all the class changes next week”

… well about that.

[delicate current]

Surely class changes are coming!

(psychic link tuning more talent changes for hunter/DK and boomkin buffs)

[tribal blade]

sub rogue notes where

[left jungle]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WAs's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker
• :skull: Find Weakness target tracker

[merry agate]

This weeks tuning will be lit

massive injections of hopium or ravenholdt on lockdown

[winged phoenix]

Hopefully all 3 specs get something

[maiden oar]

hopefully buffs after preseason i do not want sub to get struck down like last time

after going crazy in preseason

[tribal blade]

someone on my btag was asking me what class they should play next

and if rogue is the play

[chrome palm]

Don’t people have mains

Or do they come back to wow a week before patch and panic not knowing what to play

[bleak night]

fotm mains unite

[white island]

hello, is there a way to disable details recording after im finished with my opener? i just cant find this log so easy

so it basically records many fights with my bleeds only

[tribal blade]

not sure honestly, i have no note for this person so i don't even know who they are haha

i try to put a note for every single person who adds me, but sometimes i miss some

[maiden oar]

maybe they are abandoning their current main because they are disgruntled

but i think most people have mains yea

[short radish]

?up

[wicked jolt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1346745738532491296/New_Project.jpg

[short radish]

anyone got a s3 one?

[dry plank]

Meanwhile we have 3 rogues in roster. Strong outlaw, glad sub rogue and me noob ))

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glacial forum]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1m3h2tf/fishers_s3_ultimate_gear_guide_patch_1120/

[short radish]

thanks

though this guys choice of colors is questionable

[pliant seal]

yeeh its ST

[hollow spear]

A guy with your name should appreciate the color scheme, no?

[short radish]

Too much of the same hue

[hollow spear]

True, legibility wasn't a priority

[alpine wraith]

it is a secret tech

[graceful crown]

ninja tech

[tepid trellis]

ontop of my wishlist is for blizzard to make coup not be able to refund cps through shadowcraft during the entire duration of the cast and just on the first hit or smth

[alpine wraith]

only first hit would be good

[tepid trellis]

having it proc 0.08 before global is over

IS NOT IT

[alpine wraith]

yea and also does not help coup is 1.2 secs

so it even jumpscares you

[tepid trellis]

the casts is 1 sec

or more like 0,9

but they really should only let the first count for it

so it functions like the other finishers

[leaden prairie]

What's with all the new shit being super clunky delayed

Is that a new design

[tepid trellis]

just them designing coup in a shit way

[leaden prairie]

Sounds like everything hero talent related

[steel zinc]

they fixed coups gcd? from 1.2 to 1?

[fathom adder]

that simlist for 10.2 is bs or real? Probably no optimized sims/trinkets not used, just sceptical at first, ig i know that tuning is needed but yeah

[leaden prairie]

No it's 1.2

[alpine wraith]

its 1.2 still

[leaden prairie]

The damage is done 1s later tho

The last one

[alpine wraith]

yea you just get the cuck situation

[leaden prairie]

Me when ub proc 1 sec after my sinister strike

[steel zinc]

Yeah because the spell coup is just DFA and DFA did they exact same thing.

[tepid trellis]

the individual hits are just coded like casts

so it all procs it

and its shit

[tepid trellis]

was doing wa stuff last night for sub

and it happened to me in like 2 out of 3 dances

[alpine wraith]

yea it is a classic

it just gets surprised

like oh wait it procced

wait

[steel zinc]

So the last hits of coup sometimes just hit outside dance dont get the damage benefit of dance right?

I knew that just wasnt sure

[leaden prairie]

ye

I mean idk if it's relevant for sub

It's super annoying for outlaw tho

You are kinda expected to stop building once you proc

But the proc can be so delayed it's literally impossible to react to it

[tepid trellis]

just wastes stacks a bit when it happens or rather can

if its unfortunate timing

[leaden prairie]

Good design

[graceful crown]

get more haste :o

[leaden prairie]

for what