i have faith in mr fuu and his magic robot
#subtlety
bleak night
hollow spear
You still always play tfd in m+
daring raptor
Ds??
hollow spear
It just doesn't work in dungeon slice sims
daring raptor
Hmm
steel zinc
its so bugged and also then undertuned we wont play it
daring raptor
Just seems weird for me with the talents this patch. Makes no sense to me
median nacelle
anyone here tried tfd on ptr and know if its less buggy on the timer start on combat drop?
hollow spear
It works well now
alpine wraith
the timer works very well
median nacelle
nice
alpine wraith
i did a video with a showcame someone sent me it is fire
daring raptor
For aoe no rotten seems super weird now that we have find weakness afterall
chrome palm
Those are the talents that sim highest not necessarily what you are gonna run
hollow spear
Rotten was on the chopping block this season already
alpine wraith
you still get some FW from storming in between coups
chrome palm
Also you don’t even play around the rotten they literally removed the rotten logic from apl
alpine wraith
get the FW tracker to know when to BP
we just storm more baseline and with high crit rate
chrome palm
And the rotten is bugged to not cleave the crit damage on shadow strike with nimble as well
hollow spear
Or wait until they buff bp again and just always press it
alpine wraith
so rotten is kinda whatever
runic trail
i have faith in mr fuu and his magic robot
Same. I may be dumb but I'm at least smart enough to trust in the robot and the simc wizards 
daring raptor
I’m just a bit of a skeptic
The guides the past seasons have been wrong on multiple sites
hollow spear
The st build is kinda gospel
median nacelle
Or wait until they buff bp again and just always press it
we're gonna remove evis off our bars before find weakness is removed by blizz 🙂
daring raptor
Remove evis. Nah never
chrome palm
The guides the past seasons have been wrong on multiple sites
When was this
hollow spear
Can't remember wowhead being wrong
steel zinc
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wjshmu4XWRvxEb1qE66a6z
https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xoqqEfaWZ7dS51g6zxpEjo
hollow spear
Didn't really look at other guides, but I doubt Eleem and Co would publish wrong stuff
alpine wraith
it is completely buried
steel zinc
DS is like worst spec in the game rn
daring raptor
Bro that is so stupid.
hollow spear
We're talking about current and previous season Hacha
daring raptor
Have been taking a break the past month. So just catching up on everything before going into next season
alpine wraith
yea DS has shitty tier
and was already behind
so rip
unless they double and triple it like last times
daring raptor
Sad to see no finality on single target though
alpine wraith
remember it was funny
hollow spear
Finality is bugged with coup
alpine wraith
because finality bug with coup was introduced in simc
it was not such a big deal until now
like 30-40k dps at most but now it is lik e80+
daring raptor
Can’t believe we have this many bugs for so long without any fixes
alpine wraith
dont worry last tier set is still not fixed
daring raptor
And no changes for rogue mainly sub for this long aswell
alpine wraith
and it will just fade into the darkness
hollow spear
Yeah, coup bug was already noticeable and now they basically more than doubled its value 
runic trail
dont worry last tier set is still not fixed
There's still time
chrome palm
Can’t believe we have this many bugs for so long without any fixes
It is what it is, but they tune around it
fringe palm
And no changes for rogue mainly sub for this long aswell
if thats an issue you probably should look for another class
daring raptor
Like only change they really did this patch was a micro buff
chrome palm
Instead of bug fixing nimble they just buff it
alpine wraith
they more than doubled because now you use it twice with more ffect and also get way more unseens
kinda crazy
daring raptor
While most other classes gets tuned weekly
alpine wraith
sub is just quite unpopular and not been looked much for a bit
but still quite fun at least
daring raptor
It’s been my main spec for so many years
So far the most interesting and fun raid spec by far for me
Figuring out timers for bosses are so much more fun in this spec than others
steel zinc
sub is just quite unpopular and not been looked much for a bit
We dont have any big content creator that is bringing attention to it
hollow spear
I had a top 15 parse on sprocket and was purple, just all you have to know about why things don't get fixed or changed 
daring raptor
We dont have any big content creator that is bringing attention to it
True
daring raptor
I had a top 15 parse on sprocket and was purple, just all you have to know about...
Yeah I know
Got almost full 100 parses tjis tier
This*
hollow spear
Not on mythic if you're not Ryldds alt
alpine wraith
i always get like 97 or 98
unless it was gally or mug for some reason those were cursed
white siren
sub is just quite unpopular and not been looked much for a bit
you can say rogue, all 3 specs are disregarded by balancing, except when community cry then rogue is nerfed like crazy. IMO this is one of the hardest class to min-max damage, no other spec than damage and still not having at least a spec in top 5 ....
alpine wraith
nah assa was looked at quite a bit
but outlaw and sub are kinda hmm
and about min maxing dmg i cant talk because i dont really deep dive other specs
but at least for sub it is fun
btw you can also gamble this tier with some things
hollow spear
Assa is the baseline spec. If things go south for rogue, it's usually assa that gets buffed first/the most
daring raptor
Not on mythic if you're not Ryldds alt
On heroic not mythic
alpine wraith
but big burst
hollow spear
Hacha taking his gamba addiction to wow
daring raptor
Mythic this tier was shit for me. No reclears..
chrome palm
People generally play in raid what they can play in m+, so when boomkin and unholy are popular in m+, you see them in raid a lot
white siren
assa is the easiest of the 3 specs so to keep rogue player ahead of a number to not make the class dead they work on it first
chrome palm
Like I wonder why arcane and assassination are their most popular spec respectively
daring raptor
Prob cuz assa use to be THE RAID spec back in the day. And sub was PvP focused
Like sub will always be good in PvP even though you have bad dmg
chrome palm
And this extends to the class as a whole, when rogue doesn’t check any of the usual boxes in your m+ pug checklist, and the single target cc is no longer a factor, people don’t like playing the class that doesn’t get invited as much
daring raptor
The amount of control you have for your team
daring raptor
And this extends to the class as a whole, when rogue doesn’t check any of the us...
True
chrome palm
Last tier rogue was a lot more popular, potentially because of iron wire being really good
chrome palm
Prob cuz assa use to be THE RAID spec back in the day. And sub was PvP focused
Yeah but this was ages and ages and ages ago
Sub has been the raid spec for rogue for a long time now
white siren
at least blizzard gave us mass blind 😄
daring raptor
Yeah but this was ages and ages and ages ago
Yeah I’m just saying that may be a reason why they do as they do
Cuz of history
Idk
white siren
currently and from the state of PTR, i'm like switching to assa for next tier as sub is kinda left on the road
chrome palm
Likes rogues damage in keys is the reason it gets invites, but outside of title keys, you can never count on someone doing the damage they should perform their class
daring raptor
Looks like sub is outperforming assa, no?
steel zinc
currently and from the state of PTR, i'm like switching to assa for next tier as...
you should play w/e you want to play
steel zinc
Looks like sub is outperforming assa, no?
during raidtesting and m+ yeah a bit
shut jay
sin sims lower than it performs. sin probably better than sub
chrome palm
Assa caught really big buffs though
steel zinc
tbf raid testing didnt have assa 8% aura buff, but that does not help assa
yeah still assa was battling the tanks during raid testing so you played sub
chrome palm
tbf raid testing didnt have assa 8% aura buff, but that does not help assa
And buffs to most of their abilities
shut jay
dont worry, 2 weeks deep into the tier sub will get a random 4% aura buff and they wont touch us again
runic trail
tbf raid testing didnt have assa 8% aura buff, but that does not help assa
Which is concerning to me as someone who's sub gameplay isn't at a level that I'm happy with yet.
steel zinc
dont worry, 2 weeks deep into the tier sub will get a random 4% aura buff and th...
currently they are way behind on tuning. Yes sims dont tell much but they tell you a delta and if they delta between top and bottom spec is over 20% your in a tier where some specs will be stacked
white siren
you should play w/e you want to play
I want to play the spec which can bring the most damage to my guild and clear content the fastest.
runic trail
Escaping the shackles of one spec one trick pony is hard
daring raptor
you should play w/e you want to play
Yeah exactly. Even though we complain right now. The game has never been as balanced as it is now. You can play all specs for raid and will kill bosses. Doesn’t really matter. And all specs can’t be seen on the dps meter. Nothing is gonna be crazy above you like back with warriors in classic. I know this is a mad comparison, but the point is you can just plate what you find fun and perform well aswell. No need to change
daring raptor
I want to play the spec which can bring the most damage to my guild and clear co...
Won’t make a big difference nowadays though imo.
steel zinc
I want to play the spec which can bring the most damage to my guild and clear co...
Currently that is sub, 4/8 bosses have vexie style damage amps where sub shines. You can also prepare you ramp etc.
short radish
I want to play the spec which can bring the most damage to my guild and clear co...
- youre on the wrong class for that
- damage is never the issue for clearing content unless youre RWF
daring raptor
Like those 2-5% extra dmg for swapping spec will no be the reason you won’t kill the boss
Unless you are rwf which I doubt
steel zinc
Yeah exactly. Even though we complain right now. The game has never been as bala...
S2 was the most balanced season in wow. In Raid nad M+
runic trail
I'm in rfwl, as long as we don't eat glue before the raid we're fine 
daring raptor
S2 was the most balanced season in wow. In Raid nad M+
Yeah in raid
runic trail
(We're gonna eat so much glue)
steel zinc
Yeah in raid
m+ too
shut jay
currently they are way behind on tuning. Yes sims dont tell much but they tell y...
i haven't trusted sims in forever. the last time sub did it's sim damage was SoD only because of that glorious dagger
bleak night
overall damage wont be the reason you wont kill a boss, but damage in specific situations definitely will be if you're in a shitter guild
daring raptor
M+ isn’t that bad either. I have been doing close to the same overall as a lot of other specs and been able to climb a bit. Did a few 19’s do def doable. Ofcourse so much easier with meta but yeah.
chrome palm
You had it where the top run for a dungeon was not the meta comp for some time in this season which I think is rather rare
chrome palm
Not only non meta but a totally different comp having the best key
daring raptor
overall damage wont be the reason you wont kill a boss, but damage in specific s...
Hehe but you alone pulling 3% more for changing spec won’t change a thing
runic trail
overall damage wont be the reason you wont kill a boss, but damage in specific s...
I just learnt sub because my guild is bad st swapping to adds and I'm just sat there on sin like, WELL, I'M PART OF THE PROBLEM I GUESS
bleak night
Hehe but you alone pulling 3% more for changing spec won’t change a thing
except you alone completely blowing up adds that otherwise wouldnt die in time will change a thing
95% of the time yes it doesnt matter
but there are definitely situations where it does
steel zinc
i haven't trusted sims in forever. the last time sub did it's sim damage was SoD...
You should trust sims to an extend. Like if I sim a Million and you sim 1dps then obvs the Million DPS class is better no matter what. Same is with sim delta. If the best spec is ahead in sims +20% you sure as hell will play multiple of them if the fight allows for it.
daring raptor
except you alone completely blowing up adds that otherwise wouldnt die in time w...
Well you have dev, hunters, a bunch of other specs who can do this.
leaden prairie
hot take but raid tuning is irrelevant outside of inter classes between its specs
runic trail
Well you have dev, hunters, a bunch of other specs who can do this.
Except for when they don't
bleak night
Well you have dev, hunters, a bunch of other specs who can do this.
and if they arent doing it and you can, then yes it will matter
steel zinc
Sims should not be used to see what is the 2nd 3rd etc best, but more as a whole.
leaden prairie
game should be tuned around m+ 
bleak night
daring raptor
I know I was like 2x over guildies on adds aswell on run aswell. But it’s easy to tell someone to save their cd for that window a make them a timer
Will take you litterly 5 min
For a boss like that
bleak night
its funny that you think that
steel zinc
game should be tuned around m+ <:basegcat:1107701282577334292>
You can tune raid and m+ actually at the same time. Raid is mostly ST with some cleave and 1 boss that you need big aoe for. M+ is 80% AOE.
leaden prairie
You can tune raid and m+ actually at the same time. Raid is mostly ST with some ...
ok thats funny
chrome palm
At least for raid every class pretty much has a spot
daring raptor
game should be tuned around m+ <:basegcat:1107701282577334292>
Hell nah. Game should be tuned in different aspect. See how m+ have ruined PvP. Blizzard should be better at tuning the game in different aspects of the game
chrome palm
It doesnt matter if dev does more in raid than rogue its not like it changes anything
short radish
delete m+
leaden prairie
Ye ok except they will never do that cause they are lazy
chrome palm
You still play rogue and do the same thing it’s just that there is one of you now
leaden prairie
so tune around m+ instead, raid tuning is irrelevant everyone gets a spot 
steel zinc
so tune around m+ instead, raid tuning is irrelevant everyone gets a spot <:CAUG...
AOE Is just way harder to tune then st
chrome palm
Give me back prey on the weak and make kidney ignore dr
shut jay
Only reason rogue players play rogue anymore is because its a guaranteed spot on a raid roster. If you're the one rogue, you're comfy 
bleak night
gib aoe kidney
daring raptor
Like I play on a fairly good level in raid, m+ and PvP. And I can se the game is tuned so bad for everything imo. They should look at each thing more and tune the game in that zone for a spec differently. That would make the overall experience better imo.
daring raptor
Only reason rogue players play rogue anymore is because its a guaranteed spot on...
It’s just a more fun spec
chrome palm
And aoe stops do not
leaden prairie
AOE Is just way harder to tune then st
Especially if you shoot yourself in a foot by having target capped specs
short radish
has blizzard given any explanation for why sub caps exist for 96% of specs/abilities
steel zinc
Especially if you shoot yourself in a foot by having target capped specs
yeah the whole target cap thing imo and especially soft cap makes it so hard to tune. Idk why they do that. I kinda understand the soft cap but hard cap is just well stupid
short radish
and the other 4% just go unga bunga damage
chrome palm
Especially if you shoot yourself in a foot by having target capped specs
Is outlaw target cap even that bad if outlaw is doing top damage in keys? Like would it actually be preferable if outlaw was balanced around being uncapped
daring raptor
I understand what they were trying to do. With giving some specs to stand out in different aspects of the game like with furry. The problem is just they arent outperforming other specs in that target number. So it doesn’t work.
Like each spec and class are loosing more and more of their personality and uniqueness each expac and patch because of balance. But they need to make up their mind if they won’t everything to be completely balanced across the board or make it so certain specs are better at different things. You can’t have both
leaden prairie
Is outlaw target cap even that bad if outlaw is doing top damage in keys? Like w...
outlaw only does that damage when its "overtuned", also is outlaw doing top damage in keys? or am i abusing 15% raid buff to barely do dk damage with 0 buffs
also would it be fair to do the same damage as a dk under my target cap if they can just pull bigger to make the key faster while i cannot?
daring raptor
It’s okay for me that one spec on rogue ex is better at aoe and another is better for st.
leaden prairie
Outlaw outlaw got it's AOE nerfed going into S3 just cause they decided we were too strong in our low target cleave niche
Which they put ourselves in
daring raptor
Like I think like a spec like outlaw with the target cap I get it. They have so good sustainable dmg. So they are not the guy on the team which will out shine. But the dmg will always be there and consistent.
daring raptor
But they are just not tuning it well enough
Also a damn hard job lets be honest. With the new talents from dragonflight. And now hero talents with vision legendary and all other externals. Like it’s a lot to think about
So many variables. They kinda made the job impossible for them self
chrome palm
outlaw only does that damage when its "overtuned", also is outlaw doing top dama...
I guess I mean to say, is it bad if outlaw is target capped it if the spec still performs well despite it. Regardless of its current tuning
leaden prairie
What is your definition of performing well
If I'm target capped I should crush the specs that are not target capped at my cap shouldn't I
Except that's never the case
chrome palm
That’s just what I mean
daring raptor
Like a spec like outlaw and furry war wil only be good for a team where you have two other big burst specs. Which honestly is fine for me.
They just need as zac just said to make them shine in target cap
chrome palm
Then it’s an issue of the damage being too low inside of the target cap and not the cap itself
daring raptor
And not be ran over by another big burst class which makes no sense
But well outlaw has a high target cap though compared to fury
leaden prairie
Then it’s an issue of the damage being too low inside of the target cap and not ...
as it ever been the case of them tuning around target cap properly tho
like they just dont
chrome palm
I mean it seems like now. Outlaw clearly seems to be doing well in the overall damage. Whether that be because of raid buffs or no
I don’t wanna go in circles or anything
median nacelle
target cap is lame, remove it for everyone
chrome palm
I’m just saying if outlaw does good damage with a cap, then removing the cap obviously it would do quite a bit more, so you’d just get nerfed in some way to compensate
bleak night
cap boomkin to 4
keen dome
delete soft caps. Except for boomkin. give them more.
leaden prairie
I mean it seems like now. Outlaw clearly seems to be doing well in the overall d...
ye and again, llitteraly only cause its overtuned, proven by the fact they just nerfed our aoe by 10% or more going into next patch
and again, im getting 15% damage for free from raid buffs while meta spec like dk is playing naked wtihout raid buffs
short radish
delete boomkin
keen dome
Wait, not soft caps. Hard caps.
runic trail
Give everyone 8 target hard capped passive cleave and leave it at that
bleak night
chrome palm
ye and again, llitteraly only cause its overtuned, proven by the fact they just ...
So would you prefer them to tune outlaw around having no cap?
leaden prairie
No actually I would prefer for them to tune around cap but they don't do that
And I think target capped spells should have smart targeting and always do damage to higher hp targets in priority
bleak night
best i can do is target dead enemies
chrome palm
Ah so you think removing the cap would make outlaw more consistent without relying on being overtuned/raid buffs/ whatever
leaden prairie
of course
chrome palm
I see
leaden prairie
i mean xd
chrome palm
I just often hear complaints about the cap itself
But it doesn’t exactly seem to be the real issue itself
chrome palm
That is pretty obvious with subtlety
Uncapped ability doing more than capped ability inside of its cap
leaden prairie
But like how would you tune around target cap
In raid
All AOE damage
Is like 3 targets
So what
I'm a target capped spec
I will do infinite AOE in raid then
But in m+ it's the complete opposite
So what do you do
chrome palm
Make them play fatebound in raid ig
But I mean also
For outlaw specifically infinite aoe in raid isn’t unthinkable
Because that used to be what outlaw was brought for when it was brought
leaden prairie
Well they nerfed bf by 10% so apparently it was unthinkable
With pc being a thing it's impossible to tune outlaw AOE in raid
chrome palm
Could just be like a separate cap for PC
2 targets of higher damage rest is regular bf dam or something
keen dome
My brain has stopped working: what is PC?
leaden prairie
so i cleave at 100% + in 2/3/4 targets scenarios
which is mega op in raid
but kinda irrelevant in m+
so you get tuned around that
chrome palm
It gets increased by the talent that increases bf cap right
leaden prairie
yes
chrome palm
Wouldn’t it be easy to cap pc then
Say instead of every target below 8 or whatever it’s every target below 5
carmine portal
@ashen ibex watching ur +18 vid atm, my gf is so confused at how you play with no sound
frost looks great tho
leaden prairie
I'm saying low target cleave has way more value in raid than m+, and that's an issue for tuning, and I think pc is a perfect example of that
alpine wraith
tell her sound makes the game worse
leaden prairie
So a spec that is target capped, and that is supposed to crush people at its target cap
Can never be that
Cause then it's op in raid aoe
While just being what it should be in m+ aoe
So they don't tune these target capped specs to be better at their target cap
Cause of raid
Which impact m+
Proven by the fact these target capped specs get fucked over basically every tier
Fury ww outlaw even sub whatever
keen dome
I stand by my "Just delete the hard caps" because it seems easier than trying to balance everything around hard caps which they can't do anyway.
short radish
no just keep it fucking consistent
if youre going to make a hard cap
apply that to every single spec
and every single ability
dont just let a few random ones through
keen dome
Sure, you could do that too.
carmine portal
i think your target cap should be randomly generated whenever you press the button tbh
keen dome
But they seem to be incapable of doing that
carmine portal
i want to press starfall during a 1000 mob pull and have it dropping one star at a time
(i hate boomkins)
short radish
carmine portal
haha
runic trail
Ulria even catching strays in here
short radish
(ulria is a boomkin)
keen dome
Hard AoE caps are against the good brain feeling of pushing a button and seeing a ton of damage numbers appear in a big pull. This is grounds enough to change it, imo.
Good brain feeling -> bad brain feeling
short radish
yeah
short radish
and remove this meta of the only way to control the pack is by chaining CC
leaden prairie
i cant see shit
like 8 is the perfect number imo
5 is low
10 is alright
above you cant select a plate
and you lag
carmine portal
I have the problem that I LOVE pack pull variety- There should be groups that do many small, fast pulls and others that do few huge attrition pulls but
keen dome
I really hope they overhaul plates. I don't really disagree with you, I just like seeing lots of big numbers.
leaden prairie
and no one understands anything
carmine portal
But the issue is the latter is just better
keen dome
5 / 8 is a good range, esp if the pulls are interesting or engaging.
leaden prairie
But the issue is the latter is just better
Why is it better tho
keen dome
And not just, say, Cindermead everything and also chewie is there.
leaden prairie
Because they refuse to "overtune" target capped specs at their target cap
So it never work
keen dome
ToP has some of my favourite pulls / flow and a lot of it is relatively 'small'
carmine portal
And not just, say, Cindermead everything and also chewie is there.
Chewie is such a disgusting add
carmine portal
ToP has some of my favourite pulls / flow and a lot of it is relatively 'small'
ToP is great, I really went from hating that dungeon to kinda loving it
chrome palm
It’s bizarre they don’t tune around caps and then you have fights like cauldron where ranged dot specs just do 30% or whatever more
leaden prairie
i hate top type of dungeons
keen dome
Yeah
leaden prairie
the pacing is too slow
leaden prairie
My favorites dungeons are the one you are Perma fighting
Priory
Halls
Cinderbrew
What was that dungeon in s1
I can't remember
The one indoors
With golems
chrome palm
Stone vault
keen dome
I was close
leaden prairie
Stone shit ye
carmine portal
I like all the bosses on Cinderbrew but I hate the trash corridors, such an outdated dungeon style imo
leaden prairie
Ye sure
chrome palm
Streets will be so shit for outlaw and so good for sub
keen dome
I like the second half of priory more than the first.
leaden prairie
I like all the bosses on Cinderbrew but I hate the trash corridors, such an outd...
Not entirely wrong
leaden prairie
I like the second half of priory more than the first.
See priory is weird cause
The pacing of the dungeon is perfect
Just the mobs suck ass
So
keen dome
Yeah I think the pacing is very good.
carmine portal
BUT i deserve public execution because I think my fave dung of all time is The Nokhud Offensive
chrome palm
Like the one boss in streets where you get downtime to just wait for flag and then a big damage amp too
keen dome
But it's pacing that a lot of people struggle with.
void ocean
BUT i deserve public execution because I think my fave dung of all time is The N...
yup
leaden prairie
But it's pacing that a lot of people struggle with.
idk its what m+ is imo
its a speedrun
i dont wanna be afk running around or waiting for rp and shit
i jsut wanna chain packs perma
till end of key
carmine portal
idk its what m+ is imo
M+ needs ALL of the RP removed or cut down
runic trail
BUT i deserve public execution because I think my fave dung of all time is The N...
My favourite was the oculus
keen dome
Absolutely, yeah. It's something I've noticed in the 10 - 13 range where I play, that stuff like priory is where a lot of people struggle because of it's constant demands.
carmine portal
Massively
austere zodiac
i jsut wanna chain packs perma
keen dome
Whereas say, something like ToP tends to be a lot chiller because there's room to breath.
keen dome
But chain pulling non-stop always fighting is extremely fun
haughty mural
But chain pulling non-stop always fighting is extremely fun
Then you remember tfd
wise pasture
hey how does supercharged work, does it work like Kyrian times and my WA is just bad at displaying or?
haughty mural
void ocean
took me like month and a half to tme BRH 20 on Tyran with pugs
leaden prairie
Whereas say, something like ToP tends to be a lot chiller because there's room t...
ye i dont need a breather bro
i get cancer anytime im not pressing buttons for more than 2 seconds
keen dome
Haha
carmine portal
My favourite was the oculus <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Outside of M+, Nokhud Offensive just has such an insane "vibe", the music is absolutely incredible, it feels like you're really part of this war as a small team going from obj to obj doing major shit
Such a sick dungeon
short radish
i get cancer anytime im not pressing buttons for more than 2 seconds
this is peak outlaw right here
void ocean
who has enabled music ffs
carmine portal
the plains in general has one of my favourite soundtracks
keen dome
Zac is the ideal Outlaw rogue
carmine portal
who has enabled music ffs
First time I go through new zones/do new content music is ALWAYS on
carmine portal
I am an RPer at heart, I must be immersed
short radish
who has enabled music ffs
me
keen dome
Esp as Blizz have been knocking it out the park lately with music. Undermine, some DF zone stuff, etc.
short radish
i need sound effects for immersion
keen dome
Undermine raid music is extremely good (if you like jazz)
void ocean
u guys r weird 😛
chrome palm
Outside of M+, Nokhud Offensive just has such an insane "vibe", the music is abs...
👩 🔊 LET FLY
keen dome
Gallywix's dialogue having meta stuff is very funny
"I'll be the last boss you guys fight" or something
leaden prairie
Zac is the ideal Outlaw rogue
thanks i appreciate it
austere zodiac
i wonder how many outlaw players make it to 70 yr old with healthy hands
void ocean
lets not pretend that the apm is the only reason Outlaws have fcked up wrists
austere zodiac
jorking it crazy style is one too
chrome palm
Does anyone have the apm chart for all specs
void ocean
Does anyone have the apm chart for all specs
yes, it goes outlaw > sub > assa
chrome palm
There’s a chart that gets posted with every spec in the game
void ocean
93 APM???
carmine portal
Haven't played prot pally in a decade, why tf is it so high APM atm?
chrome palm
A lot off gcd abilities a lot of haste
carmine portal
right-o
chrome palm
Shield of the righteous is off gcd and you spam that shit
keen dome
Yeah, off GCD abilities and procs
you absolutely blast, it's hilarious how intense it can feel
chrome palm
Sometimes shit you don’t cats counts in apm too
Idk about this chart but wcl counts crusader strike for ret
Even though they don’t cast it manually
austere zodiac
i mean its sims
runic trail
At least we're faster than the dev evokers
leaden prairie
havoc does it
in its sims
it count you picking up balls as an action
so its massively inflated
keen dome
Yeah
austere zodiac
apl cooked
chrome palm
Ah
leaden prairie
oultaw is accurate
keen dome
A better metric would be looking at the actual player button presses over an entire key and raid fight.
leaden prairie
cant say about the otherspecs
void ocean
then again wtf is the 38 apm
graceful crown
fun spec dev
chrome palm
That’s your best spec in raid
graceful crown
keen dome
Don't you charge something as Dev?
void ocean
like 30% than assa
sly shore
Lucky they play templar then
carmine portal
yeah it has charge spells
void ocean
and assa is snoozefest
keen dome
I imagine charge spells mess up APM measurements
leaden prairie
would you count them as 2 actions
sly shore
Yes
keen dome
Yeah
keen dome
If the charge is 2 - 3 seconds (Which could be three button presses), and you always charged it to full? It's going to mess up APM measurements.
leaden prairie
you know what else is large kieron
sly shore
You dont always charge to full
keen dome
I don't know Dev enough to speak but I was just talking generally
runic trail
Are we venturing into half a press territory
keen dome
Haha
runic trail
Are we going to start talking about parallel dimensions
keen dome
yes
carmine portal
well yeah I personally have 100+apm because I press spacebar lots
sly shore
I play dev me know
chrome palm
I wanna see this chart but it’s every spell that gets queued
sly shore
Its not high apm
keen dome
Devknower
keen dome
I'm not prepared for this again
in a parallel dimension sub has two greatswords
runic trail
in a parallel dimension sub has two greatswords
But they're not purple
sly shore
Im a dev main fr
carmine portal
SecTech is now PublicKnowledge
sly shore
Big bussy
chrome palm
No one even asks me “wtf is secret technique” anymore
leaden prairie
Im a dev main fr
nah bro
there is no way
you
you are so low
like
no way kieron
not you
sly shore
Not a padder ong
void ocean
Im a dev main fr
is this hc xD
leaden prairie
carmine portal
it says Mythic right there bruh
leaden prairie
leaden prairie
Na this is
noob 
sly shore
in fact, 2 boosts
void ocean
it says Mythic right there bruh
strangely I dunno why I went for the corners to find out
sly shore
kind of a freak
leaden prairie
i would never
lilac stag
in a parallel dimension sub has two greatswords
Do they have active rogue devs there? If so sign me up.
carmine portal
Mafic is the sole rogue dev
void ocean
fck it, im gonna apply
I think I was on thr 2nd year of my Uni when my C++ professor asked me what I wanna do, I said I wanna be a Blizzard Dev 😄
fckin idiot kid
keen dome
Haha
runic trail
Mafic is the sole rogue dev
lilac stag
fckin idiot kid
You’d only be a fckin idiot if that was still the goal. The rose tinted glasses of youth are amazing tbh.
haughty mural
No you are …(amazing)
void ocean
You’d only be a fckin idiot if that was still the goal. The rose tinted glasses ...
arent u a romantic today
alpine wraith
tbh blizz in 2006 to 2010 seems like a fine place
afterward no idea
likely they got overtaken hugely by other companies in pay benefits etc
void ocean
tbh blizz in 2006 to 2010 seems like a fine place
im not that old 😄
actually I am, was 2nd year in 2009/10.
goddamn it
lilac stag
tbh blizz in 2006 to 2010 seems like a fine place
The sexual harassment & hazing would suggest otherwise.
alpine wraith
actually I am, was 2nd year in 2009/10.
AHAHAHA
i know that feel bro
im a bit younger but still by those days i already kinda knew coding was not my thing
void ocean
The sexual harassment & hazing would suggest otherwise.
whats the work without some fun
carmine portal
bro i met a noob on my server the other week who was born the same year I started playing WoW
alpine wraith
i guess most people are fine and you just had some "superstars" who did that
leaden prairie
what a noob
carmine portal
(he didn't know how to apply the delve belt upgrade card)
alpine wraith
same as everywhere
leaden prairie
i hope you bullied him
alpine wraith
well we have likely found many people born after 2005
that was when i began playing
void ocean
im a bit younger but still by those days i already kinda knew coding was not my ...
coding ended up being my thing just went for the diff company 😄
alpine wraith
it is normal by now
carmine portal
2006 for me
lilac stag
arent u a romantic today
I hate that as we grow up, our dreams get dampened by the reality of the world we’re in. it be what it be.
void ocean
I hate that as we grow up, our dreams get dampened by the reality of the world w...
yea well, I still remember vividly counting which could be the first Olympics I could play for my country... it was 2008. Beijing, but gods of basketball had different ideas 😄
alpine wraith
yea i wanted to be a musician
void ocean
also I think we somehow didnt qualify so its not all on me
alpine wraith
and got slammed by 1m+$ debt from my father
lilac stag
Some 5th grader: I want to be president of the United States.
Reality: you fucking moron. 
void ocean
Some 5th grader: I want to be president of the United States.
Reality: you fuc...
isnt that like a requirement today
carmine portal
based
lilac stag
isnt that like a requirement today
Voter requirement possibly.
South Park was therapeutic this week. 
we’re not a smart people. We’ve convinced ourselves that universal health care is evil and it would be better to give billions to medical corporations and allow people just suffer.
void ocean
its not evil, just communism 😄
lilac stag
I don’t think most of them could spell communism let alone define it.
void ocean
the USA rly was imho unique project, probably the only time in history a group of very smart ppl sat down and tried to figure out the best way to organise a country for the common folk
austere zodiac
USA peeps got brainwashed so hard during the cold war
final wasp
Real
alpine wraith
interesting
sly shore
leaden prairie
what a noob !
runic trail
Ryler put a hit out
alpine wraith
he got bananad squared
lilac stag
lol htf did I get a banned person to reveal themselves.
alpine wraith
lurker discoverer
final wasp
Dude had the same name, didnt take much
lilac stag
this is actually quite funny. not the sequence I was expecting.
runic trail
They posted here a few times in the last few days, I just didn't know they were banned initially
lilac stag
idk the lore here
runic trail
I just recognised their names from the forums
leaden prairie
Dude had the same name, didnt take much
If I ever get banned I'm not coming back as zac you will never find me (I will be named caz instead)
final wasp
Its alright, we just check who gets into an argument with zeross and start typing one word per line
You cant banevade us, zac
leaden prairie
runic trail
alpine wraith
true no one will expec caz
void ocean
now we will never see the video 😄
slate lantern
Zac is reformed and Ross quit the game
alpine wraith
no way
sly shore
I'm never getting banned I'm very reformed
tribal blade
#bringbacklashga
alpine wraith
im also reformed
sly shore
#bringbacklashga
no
leaden prairie
Its alright, we just check who gets into an argument with zeross and start typin...
i will install a discord plugin that just filter all my messages trough chat gpt so i talk like a real human instead
owned
alpine wraith
where is that owl guy
lilac stag
#bringbacklashga
fuck right off
alpine wraith
i need to him to drop some imaginary fever dreams
final wasp
where is that owl guy
Hopefully nver coming back
runic trail
As a treat
lilac stag
#freeflowii
tribal blade
wait who's the owl guy
final wasp
Flowi has his unban conditions set up, wow is still not on mobile
alpine wraith
flowii is as close as wow mobile
slate lantern
#bringbacklashga
His streams are insane dude has a mental breakdown in pugs every day and keeps coming back
vagrant sinew
flowii is playing lost ark
tribal blade
His streams are insane dude has a mental breakdown in pugs every day and keeps c...
haha nice
alpine wraith
you can play wow on a phone
tribal blade
so basically gromnak
alpine wraith
but it wont be pretty
final wasp
"Technically you can make hamburger out of beans, so that its a burger alright"
runic trail
His streams are insane dude has a mental breakdown in pugs every day and keeps c...
Is he still trying to cook up builds
teal coral
xaethron spotting in 2025 holy
lilac stag
He’s man of principal. It needs to actually be wow mobile. Not a port.
teal coral
truly a blessed day
final wasp
Straight out the gate with political shit too whisp
leaden prairie
xaethron spotting in 2025 holy
hi whispyr im your biggest fan
runic trail
Its a poor quality ban evasion when you just... Use the same name
teal coral
Straight out the gate with political shit too whisp
yeah I saw in the mod log 
tribal blade
Its a poor quality ban evasion when you just... Use the same name
yes but only an idiot would use the same name, therefore tricking the mods, hence actually a genius move
runic trail
yes but only an idiot would use the same name, therefore tricking the mods, henc...
Genius
alpine wraith
you can also check with a @ everyone
molten citrus
alpine wraith
just in case
leaden prairie
i meant that doenst even work tho
alpine wraith
actually true
leaden prairie
Ye keys are easier on ptr
Considering you aren't even max
Scaled to 710 instead of 723
And some 18s are legit weeklies
Like eco or gambit
tribal blade
ahhh
leaden prairie
And wel
Tuning is clearly not done for keys
Street is impossible for example
The timer isn't real, I don't think I even timed above 15 street if even
leaden prairie
While other keys I have done in 18s very easely the first weeks they were out
leaden prairie
oh what's making it impossible
Ye just timer
tribal blade
oh btw what's the play with scalebinders in gambit now
leaden prairie
With the fish guys you mean?
leaden prairie
Ye
tribal blade
ah gotcha
tribal blade
sad you can't passively cleave em down
leaden prairie
And if you have cds running or not
plush roost
Wound poison angle 7head
leaden prairie
Like you won't kill them in mage comps after cds probably
tribal blade
Wound poison angle 7head
oh shit TRUE
leaden prairie
But the alternative strat is to keep them cced and play them on boss
They only heal fishes
tribal blade
MMMM
leaden prairie
Depending on your comp you can cc like 4 of them
I think that's what I'm gonna do with my comp
One root, one sham hex, one sap, one paralyzed
Play 4 on boss
plush roost
Cinema
sly shore
daily check you know
just react toa message
tribal blade
oppressing roar from evoker extends the last boss' amp
sly shore
it won't work if ur blocked
tribal blade
to 30 secs
leaden prairie
who
vagrant sinew
I know this cos someone has me blocked
sorry king
vale pine
the question is, is the new system adding more or less choice?
keep in mind, many things you need to skill into would be just baseline in the old system
mighty citrus
i dont prefer the new system
iam just realistic that i need to deal with whatever the game gives me
when i want to play it
i liked the mop system plus having the right stuff baseline
leaden prairie
some random dude I pissed off in shadowlands on another discord
owned noob
graceful crown
keep in mind, many things you need to skill into would be just baseline in the o...
having blades and flag in sub talents is a blizz joke, u dont understand
sly shore
owned noob
fak
graceful crown
final wasp
Throwback to whatever barf some dev passed on in that expansion where you got one talent point per 15 levels
graceful crown
oh maybe
there is a talent build without blades and flag that we didnt discover, subtlety without cds and outstanding damage???
nah amazing blizz
its far ahead
tribal blade
hrm i was joking when i said bring back lashga
leaden prairie
there is a talent build without blades and flag that we didnt discover, subtlety...
I mean the point of their talent is for you to unlock stuffs while leveling also
lilac stag
Leveling in 2k25 when its like 1/100 of your time in wow now
Tell me you have no concept of time without telling me.
graceful crown
every alt i have and everything i use /played and i get the concept really quickly
keen dome
Tell me you have no concept of time without telling me.
What is time, if not a measure of playing WoW
short radish
Tell me you have no concept of time without telling me.
time is a social construct
keen dome
meanwhile some with 2300 days played
me
alpine wraith
ONE OF US
keen dome
in 10 days anyway
final pecan
Why first dance instead of weapon master on ptr st sim for sub? smtn feels off
lilac stag
every alt i have and everything i use /played and i get the concept really quick...
I’m sure your main is only 1/100 
lilac stag
Alt is 6 hour
graceful crown
u get my point
lilac stag
What’s your main /played at 80
graceful crown
gonna do it now, i didnt do it in a long time haha
but not much compared to a lot of people
lilac stag
I’m just saying you’re likely underestimating for most people in here that raid / m+
I’d love it if leveling was actually 1/100. means I’m spending less time playing the game and I’m just raiding. Hahah
graceful crown
Derp i cant see the real time i spent leveling coz every expansion it changes
: -D
lilac stag
not having touched a key since turbo has been glorious
keen dome
I do one ten a week because it's exciting
What new horrors will pugs have developed this week for entirely solved content
lilac stag
I already knew you were special
graceful crown
Perfect understanding of the game :o
lilac stag
We had this discussion with aotc pug raiding.
keen dome
Watching people who can't do more than 1.5m DPS in a +10 attempt +19+++ level skips
graceful crown
with that, talents is a new world every toon :o
lilac stag
I love my dysfunctional wow family
keen dome
The current big one that has finally made it's way downward is the DFC skip
Spending more time trying to skip the trash in front of the third boss than it takes to just kill the trash
graceful crown
bubbles dies in like 1 minute in a 10
lilac stag
Is that the parasol one?
graceful crown
nah people are speedrunning
alpine wraith
tbh that one takes forver
graceful crown
perfection
alpine wraith
in a high key
keen dome
Is that the parasol one?
Nah, jumping up onto the stairs via rock
But 99% of the time people mess it up in low keys
lilac stag
My goal this tier. How close to 3k can I get without going over. Then how long until I stop running dawnbreaker for vault.
keen dome
dawnbreaker my beloved
lilac stag
I think I’m going to try to only gear the shaman via delves and maybe 1 10
keen dome
Nice
I've been seeing how far I can take my Pal's iLevel on content my guidl would reasonably do.
lilac stag
The chances of us actually needing it I think are low. So will my effort be with it.
void ocean
My goal this tier. How close to 3k can I get without going over. Then how long u...
why not going over
hazy breach
Why first dance instead of weapon master on ptr st sim for sub? smtn feels off
Because it sims higher
runic trail
Spending more time trying to skip the trash in front of the third boss than it t...
Meanwhile I just wait for someone to do it and shadowstep to them. Same with the motherlode wall jump
hazy breach
Weaponmaster is an awful talent
final pecan
it just doesnt feel right
hazy breach
So 4 seconds of extra dance sims higher unless the fight is like 7 minutes or longer
final pecan
1 empowered dance
keen dome
incredible, really
runic trail
Its a bit like sin and caustic spatter v IB, if you can get any spatter usage it comes out better
Because IB is barely anything
hazy breach
Like 15% more damage on your strike and backstab
When those spells make up less than 5% of your damage
Not good 
vale pine
Why first dance instead of weapon master on ptr st sim for sub? smtn feels off
the diffrence is low, but it sims slightly higher
viral parrot
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
alpine wraith
bring back og weaponmaster
so we can RNG quad coup
although it might be too op even at 6%
lilac stag
why not going over
It means I wasted more time than I should have to get the mount and stop giving a shit.
lilac stag
it just doesnt feel right
This is why we don’t touch things for feels.
hazy breach
To illustrate why weaponmaster isnt good, here is an example.
You have 4 shadow technique stacks and 0 combo points.
You hit a strike > you have 3 cp > you get +4 cp from ShT and have 7 cp > weaponmaster strikes and overcaps 3 cp
hazy breach
That happens very often, so most of the time weaponmaster is just +15% strike and backstab damage on average, which is not good
lilac stag
you’re hard pressed to convince me that anyone could tell the game play difference of talenting into WM vs just running the spec with WM untalented and having an extra talent point unused.
short radish
the diffrence is low, but it sims slightly higher
have you run sims where you dont pot/lust on pull?
remote shuttle
To illustrate why weaponmaster isnt good, here is an example.
You have 4 shadow ...
They should Just check if wm procs BEFORE ShadowTecnic
But It doesn't
final wasp
Fights where you dont send all on pull 
lilac stag
Fights where you dont send all on pull <:PES_CringeGrin:585724567259971604>
Clearly they’re new to sub rogue.
remote shuttle
To save ShT stacks if It procs
remote shuttle
If Just they...
vale pine
have you run sims where you dont pot/lust on pull?
no i did not run it in a target dummy sim
short radish
ye because i wonder how much value tfd loses without also having potion (and lust i guess) with it as well
tribal blade
people trying to skip bubbles in a 10
i did some alt keys with high key friends the other day and we were laughing at how many skips people are using in 10-12s
vestal escarp
Gm frictiontlety rogs
short radish
since youre concentrating all teh damage even more into that bit
lilac stag
i did some alt keys with high key friends the other day and we were laughing at ...
Way to be an elitist.
keen dome
you’re hard pressed to convince me that anyone could tell the game play differe...
I can't recall a time I've noticd WM this expansion
tribal blade
Way to be an elitist.
it's just so funny watching people try to skip the pack before candle king and you end up spending more time skipping than actually just killing it
keen dome
It's insane how many people try to use
lilac stag
is that the jump down the ramp and accidentally pull the pack going up the stairs?
tribal blade
yup exactly
keen dome
yep
It's so stupid
So many people have seen it but they fail to understand why you'd want to do that kind of skip.
tribal blade
no need for it in a 10
keen dome
And they just internalize as it as being a skip you need to do because you need to do it
tribal blade
it is a big time save in high keys for sure
chrome palm
okay but has anyone found a way to skip doing priory yet
keen dome
I have
tribal blade
okay but has anyone found a way to skip doing priory yet
TRUE
keen dome
I have the secret
lilac stag
okay but has anyone found a way to skip doing priory yet
unsubscribe
tribal blade
@chrome palm tomorrow surely
chrome palm
surely
void ocean
trips over the wall, pulls big guy and depletes the key
chrome palm
i got 1 point on my ml the other day 😇
keen dome
1 point from a timed key is just.. I don't know
It should round up to 5 minimum. 1 is just.. funny
tribal blade
haha yeah getting a faster time is kinda big this season
keen dome
Blizz what is this name
tribal blade
a lot of people are doing speed runs to eek out as many points as possible
void ocean
dunno why but I never got a high key fever and feel happy bc of it
i wouldnt even time all 12s if it wasnt for the dinar
took 3k on my fdk just to say I did smth on that alt too
keen dome
ye, as soon as I run out of meaningful rewards I get bored.
runic trail
i wouldnt even time all 12s if it wasnt for the dinar
Pretty much me. I keep meaning to get 3k but I lack the motivation
Been at 2987 for a while now
rotund pawn
Because it sims higher
is first dance bug with vanish fixed on ptr?
hazy breach
Ive been told that it has
But theyve apparently also fixed the jank
So it now actually starts its 6 second timer when you leave combat
Instead of 4 seconds later sometimes
rotund pawn
alright, thank you 👍
void ocean
pog
plush roost
Eleem i think i know the answer to this but just checking, with the no shadowcraft talents. When at high target counts, in non-cd dances, after youve used both disorienting strikes do you keep striking even tho its 3-4 cp or storm-bp? I imagine the strike with nimble > the saved global for powder but idk
hazy breach
Yes it doesnt change anything, youre very likely to have unseen blades up anyway
alpine wraith
it is likely you get a coup too
and you storm anyway in between
then you get another unseen maybe
plush roost
Okidoki, it just felt weird af striking for 3-4cp in dance lmao
hazy breach
Yep
plush roost
Normally its 5-6 with shadowcraft
plush roost
Also I definitely think this is better than the shadowcraft tornado build
Which is nice cause //variety//
void ocean
now we S tier in m+ too
vale pine
haha don't know
crystal bone
alphabetically speaking yes 
hazy breach
now we S tier in m+ too
Not on petkos list
void ocean
Dobby Downers
hazy breach
vale pine
why exactly should sub be s tier now?
median nacelle
has armor pen
vale pine
lol
vale pine
it would be fun if we had a class that could heal enemies
would be too high troll potential tho
crystal bone
oh man that would unlock omega padding in raid encounters
alpine wraith
dont worry our tornado ruptures will save us
hazy breach
Without shadowcraft nado is atleast slightly less cringe
As it now only has 2 awkward interactions instead of 3
vale pine
idk if we want to play no shadowcraft
alpine wraith
but in other things it can get krangled
vale pine
it sounds weird to me
crystal bone
^
alpine wraith
with coup being so strong maybe you can supercharge the coups and chances of getting a shadowcraft proc is quite low
i would not play no shadowcraft but also who knows
short radish
why exactly should sub be s tier now?
Starts with S. You came up with the tier list!
austere zodiac
only fuu i know is from samurai champloo
lilac stag
What does fuu mean
Wind in 🇯🇵
hazy breach
nova cairn
Not on petkos list
The only true list that matters
Sometimes i sandbag in his keys just to get lower because that’s 100% going to get class buffs
“Sometimes” 
hazy breach
Yeyeye surely blizzard tune based solely on online tierlists
(sometimes it seems like they do, i was only partly sarcastic)
slate lantern
heroic week tuning is op
alpine wraith
sorry
steel zinc
bro sin is battling again tank dps and after the rwf gets buffed
its like repeat of last tier
alpine wraith
dont talk too fast
steel zinc
sub will be then be nerfed prepatch because why not
alpine wraith
maybe deathstalker gets its talents doubled again
steel zinc
all 3 rogue specs output wise are not good period
hazy breach
Were fine
nova cairn
Yeyeye surely blizzard tune based solely on online tierlists
The supreme tier list
limber dirge
when im in small cds, so dance and symbols, is it fine to sometimes finish with 4cp eviscerate? or should i continue building with ss
nova cairn
Sub seems decent
hazy breach
No, should always be 6+
hazy breach
Even if you have to double strike, despite how ass it feels
void ocean
when im in small cds, so dance and symbols, is it fine to sometimes finish with ...
no premature evisceration
steel zinc
Rogues just used to getting fucked over with bugs etc and just happy we have our spec working in an beta state
limber dirge
aight, ty
hazy breach
we are not fine. Like boomkin doomed for 8%.
Were gonna be fine
tepid trellis
<:shrugeg:1115674346120294591> Were gonna be fine
nah we are dead, stop lying to yourself let your true feeling soar free 
swift tinsel
hazy breach
Idk if youre like comparing the frost DK and MM hunters thats clearly getting nerfed ye were a bit behind
grand wyvern
My problem is not that we are not fine, game is pretty ok balance wise I think. My problems is apes who invite based on tier list will think sub is dogshit
swift tinsel
welcome to wow
void ocean
nah we are dead, stop lying to yourself let your true feeling soar free <:Cheesi...
bruh why u want this to be villain origin story
hazy breach
Peak raccoon behaviour
nova cairn
nah we are dead, stop lying to yourself let your true feeling soar free <:Cheesi...
Such a doomer stealthi 
tepid trellis
Such a doomer stealthi <:caught:1306389968851177612>
not a doomer, i am doom itself
nova cairn
not a doomer, i am doom itself
runic trail
The state of rogues overall doesn't matter to me cos I don't know how to play any other class
void ocean
fair
swift tinsel
gonna play shaman in keys and only invite sub rogues
nova cairn
At least it’s another sub tier
swift tinsel
no sin/outlaw nonsense
runic trail
We could be terrible but like, still gonna play rogue cos what else am I gonna be able to do
nova cairn
no sin/outlaw nonsense
Ayy yo wtf
void ocean
We could be terrible but like, still gonna play rogue cos what else am I gonna b...
retri
hazy breach
Despite community perception about balance raid is almost always very well balanced
swift tinsel
Ayy yo wtf
maybe exceptions made, I haven't decided yet
hazy breach
So unless youre doing the highest of keys you can literally play anything
tepid trellis
<a:monkashake:1005217425664524328>
I am the storm that is approaching
Provoking black clouds in isolation
I am reclaimer of my name
Born in trash, I have been blessed
My family crest is a Raccoon of death
nova cairn
Bet you with the damage amps sub will do exceptional
swift tinsel
Yeah I'm locking in sub for raid 100%
latent finch
Racoon of death goes kinda hard ngl
grand wyvern
So unless youre doing the highest of keys you can literally play anything
You can but you expose yourself to the stupid gatekeeping
swift tinsel
enh/ele keys
nova cairn
I am the storm that is approaching
Provoking black clouds in isolation
I am recl...
Is this what you said in your guild application to your new guild
tepid trellis
yes
tepid trellis
that and fuck one of their healers, he is a rat
nova cairn
That’s why they took you so quick damn
Gonna take that
And flame one of the healers
tepid trellis
something good came out of me knowing the text by heart to bury the light
tepid trellis
And flame one of the healers
i do m+ with him every tier
he deserves it
im forced to hear him yap about disc priest
hazy breach
Were you playing with him during the outlaw incident
void ocean
what outlaw incident
grand wyvern
I don't know how healers and tanks manage to multi class, I'd be mad if I am told what to play every season
hazy breach
Stealthi played outlaw for one season in keys and then quit wow for a bit because he hated it
void ocean
i mean when u learn one healer u learned em all
void ocean
Stealthi played outlaw for one season in keys and then quit wow for a bit becaus...
based.
tepid trellis
dont think ive hated playing wow as much as i did for those 2 weeks
void ocean
tbh i had fun as outlaw in 10.2
nova cairn
Stealthi such an outlaw hater 
tepid trellis
and i only did it for my m+ team
steel zinc
Idk if youre like comparing the frost DK and MM hunters thats clearly getting ne...
also other specs are ahead
runic trail
Stealthi play outlaw this tier
Why would you wish bad things upon people
nova cairn
Why would you wish bad things upon people <:uglyassdog:1370509827280867400>
Because I’m forced to play sub every tier
hazy breach
I would be very surprised if we see much more than a 5 or even a 3% buff for sub
runic trail
Because I’m forced to play sub every tier
Just do what I did, join a rfwl guild where your spec is irrelevant
runic trail
As long as I stand in less fire than the other raiders my spot on the team is secured
nova cairn
Just do what I did, join a rfwl guild where your spec is irrelevant <:kekdog:907...
I have I’ve joined a chill 2 day guild now
None of this HoF stuff now cba
runic trail
Somehow got WR 1300 this season which is a new high
nova cairn
We got the HoF top 400
tepid trellis
Because I’m forced to play sub every tier
i play in a guild with splits
i can just not
play rogue
uknow
tepid trellis
ive got shaman rdy