subtlety

[chrome palm]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/double-the-rng-with-raid-boes-in-season-3-random-secondary-stats-377869?utm_source=discord-webhook

Not a lot of competition on vers gear

[alpine wraith]

big situation with vers mastery gear

but maybe we can also snag crit vers cheap

[chrome palm]

That is the hope

[tribal blade]

sub rogue notes where

[north schooner]

rogue changes got lost in the void

[steel zinc]

So nothing right? Nothing fucking fixed

We need to doom here

Get more attention that's how this works

[fringe goblet]

They can't even afford to fix the bugs that existed, so they're not interested in improving rogue spec.

[steel zinc]

What dungeon?

[warm marlin]

priory

[short radish]

Holy shit actually no notes what the fuck

Maybe i should just do a koffing and reroll feral

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/meow-cat-gif-27161697

[steel zinc]

The issue is balance druid huge community

They cry blizzard buffs

We used to be top classes in legion. Sheer player wise

Now we deadge

They don't care

[alpine wraith]

mage got buffed

hmmm

[steel zinc]

Mage big community

Look at mythic like 8000 rogue parses all 3 specs. And ret or mage 40k

[short radish]

As it was, is and always shall be

[bleak night]

there must always be a lich king mage spec on throne

[alpine wraith]

tbh arcane deserves to be top

so much fun

fuck fire so much

ADHD random cheeks spec

[swift tinsel]

Arcane has been my fav mage spec since I first played mage forever ago so I’m happy to see it big in m+ after being a meme

[bleak night]

i played frost for three days

thats the extent of my mage experience

[alpine wraith]

if i played frost for three days i would have deleted my mage

likely

[bleak night]

ok but i summoned a big icicle to one shot quest mobs

[swift tinsel]

Lol played keys as arcane s1 and dabbled a bit in frost but it’s not fun. Was the ice lance spam version too which was omegacheeks

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lilac stag]

I see we got the normal blizzard updates today.

[patent lichen]

[steel zinc]

Idk

rogue dumbster

[brisk onyx]

[alpine wraith]

and hunter kekw

also kekw

https://www.wowhead.com/news/huge-buffs-to-reshii-wrap-effects-on-patch-11-2-ptr-377889

rogue wins again

with dance not giving threat

[steel zinc]

Hunter is omega broken

[alpine wraith]

inb4 devoker getting aggro on pull

when they do 100m dmg in 4 secs

[steel zinc]

The cloak buff is like ~15k ST for sub so nothing

[alpine wraith]

yea but now you can proc it on pull and get hammered

depending on spec

will be kinda funny

[steel zinc]

yeah you think then trickster rogue meta

Hunter because misdirect

and actually does dam

But also hunter dies in high keys

[shrewd lantern]

devokers complaining about threat

because they do infinite damage

is the biggest case of first world problems

[mental dune]

i saw a graphic for m+ that was saying sub was like 2nd highest damage in ptr
granted omega low sample size
but surely thats wrong right?

[steel zinc]

bro please

like thats actually trolling

if you mean a tierlist or so

[bleak night]

The truth comes out

[mental dune]

no

[weak bridge]

I mean sub is blasting ptr keys

[mental dune]

its like a compilation of overall damage in m+ keys

[steel zinc]

I can tell you from playing ptr sub isnt omega blasting in keys

[mental dune]

n sub was 2nd highest behind mm

[steel zinc]

its doing ok damage

that is just bs

frost dk for example is way more ahead

also sub comes online when you have a shaman buff

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/spill-issue-oh-no-my-milj-orange-cat-orange-cat-milk-milk-cat-gif-11913986030845101804

[steel zinc]

its like 6-7% of your overall alone

[shrewd lantern]

people who watch streamers play ptr content

for hours

need help

[steel zinc]

Why wouldnt I play ptr?

[shrewd lantern]

watching other people

[steel zinc]

oh

watching yeah idk

[shrewd lantern]

im excited to be stuck in assa jail

for another tier anyway

i literally called streamers overhyping sub 2 weeks before s2

[short radish]

ptr is ptr and also watch sub be nerfed to the ground if this is ever the case

[mental dune]

yeah that was my main concern
trying to figure out the source of the damage graphic but i kinda hope it isnt true
since sub DEFINITELY gets nerfed if its true
esp since if its doing that well in m+ itd do so so much better in raid

[shrewd lantern]

at least sub and sin gearwise are close enough

that worst case

[chrome palm]

i mean one thing with sub is it definitely does well in lower keys, small pulls, large gaps in time between pulls, etc, which are all characteristic of ptr/early season keys

[mental dune]

thats true

[shrewd lantern]

also sub is worse in pugs

cd specs always are

[chrome palm]

i felt really strong in the keys i was doing, but i was doing rando pugs with people that barely play whatever class theyre on at like <15 level

as opposed to people in coordinated groups doing 19s on ptr

[shadow snow]

Why are they nerfing sub wtf

[mental dune]

sub being good in ptr --> week 1 nerf
guaranteed combo

was just clarifying that its not as good as the thing was saying

[bleak night]

Sub nerfed by 69% wtf why did they do this

[shrewd lantern]

Tuning aside sin is just the best spec design wise.

spatter is such a stupid mechanic

[lucid jackal]

I find it odd that like

Listen, rogue has been neglected in many ways

But tuning this tier

I don't think is something to be upset abt

[chrome palm]

i think people are more upset that rogue doesnt feel impactful

[shrewd lantern]

i mean rogue was good this tier

was it not

[chrome palm]

in raid there isnt really any rogue job

[lucid jackal]

what does this even mean

[steel zinc]

you said that last tier

[lucid jackal]

The job of rogue this tier is to abuse damage amps

[steel zinc]

and it wasnt true

[shrewd lantern]

your job is doing alot of damage

[lucid jackal]

Yeah and rogue was good last tier, it was just worse than WW lol

[steel zinc]

that is the job of every class ingame

[lucid jackal]

If ur question is "Are we fotm" the answer is probs not, just go reroll to FDK or something

If u wanna play OP fotm

play FDK, go play hunter

[shrewd lantern]

I mean rogue was good in undermine

[chrome palm]

meaning, boomkin was impactful on stix, dev/shadow/warlock was impactful on oab, there wasnt a fight where you thought "sub is really good here", besides maybe rik very early on

[shrewd lantern]

what are people on about

[lucid jackal]

rogue was, but everything "worse than WW" is bad to people so

[shrewd lantern]

how come there wasnt a sea of ww fotm

after the first month or so

[chrome palm]

i really liked being able to blow up the first platform in ansurek intermission as sub

[shrewd lantern]

holding damage to blow stuff up

is cringe

[chrome palm]

well you didnt need to hold

[bleak night]

also holding damage to blow stuff up is based anyway

time flag perfectly so your second sectec deletes adds right as they spawn

[shrewd lantern]

nothing activates my brain neurons

the way a 5 stack combo dfa did

in legion

[bleak night]

see i never even touched sub until this season so i have nothing to compare it to

ignorance is bliss

[shrewd lantern]

i hit 50m

evis crit

sectech is a boring ability to hit

0 visual flair

[bleak night]

well yeah

i am once again asking for kyveza clones for sectec

[alpine wraith]

sec tech was bland enough when the copies existed

now it is even more wang

[lucid jackal]

Yeah rogue is just a bystander in that context that tier

[bleak night]

just gotta play in shittier guilds

i definitely felt impactful on rik

[lucid jackal]

I mean yeah idk rogue is gonna do a lot of damage on the amp bosses

[chrome palm]

for sure

unless they make the amp 40s long again

[shrewd lantern]

idk i play rogue to smack bosses really hard

you think im here to be a mechanic bitch

[chrome palm]

are there hunter jobs next tier?

the fotm mm rerollers would be in for a rude awakening

[shrewd lantern]

i mean hunters are always mechanic andys

[chrome palm]

new tier doesnt seem as gimmicky though

i dont remember seeing many thingies you have to extra action button and fuck around with

[alpine wraith]

rogue will be there if needed seems we have some cool bosses where we can move things around

and prism helps

as you can move dmg from phase to phase

like imagine if you could get on bandit or mugh a 60k+ agi trink activation for last phase

and even get another at the end

[lucid jackal]

anybody erlse excited to play rogue this tier

[lethal gate]

[magic cliff]

yuh

[alpine wraith]

rogue is cool always

never doubt it we may be dozens but still worth our weight in gold

[golden harbor]

I volunteered to be the teams rogue cause ours wanted to reroll. Learning all 3 specs has been fun so im excited

[dreamy badger]

yes i love playing assa

every season

[dawn summit]

im the only rogue this tier im excited to be unbenchable

[tribal blade]

always

[keen dome]

Called the wraps buff

[umbral topaz]

If it ends up being a sub tier ye.
Else 50/50 i delete my rogue

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[steel zinc]

[Void-Touched Fragment] can be stacked prefight and pre m+ @vale pine @hazy breach . More degen stuff makes maybe the trinket better then it sims.

[bleak night]

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[hollow spear]

Looks like they tried to shoot down the top specs and get up the bottom specs

Won't be the last change ig, they probably just wanted to squeeze the ends and go from there

[sly shore]

menace to society

[lucid jackal]

Rogue is pretty solid

Not super fotm but its gonna be a solid pick

[sly shore]

hopefully it's saved by damage amps

else it's in the bin

walking, talking atrophic buff

hope the cosmic damage isn't environmental

[lucid jackal]

Raid testing was awhile ago but rogue looked solid on that last set of buffs it got to the tier set

and the OP specs have only got nerfed yk

[haughty rose]

that rare moment when you meet a fellow high rated sub

[chrome palm]

Never ask a woman her age
or a man his salary
or a subtlety rogue the spec he pushes on

[fathom adder]

i miss df s2 sub in m+

[mental dune]

ik its cursed but in pug groups for ~16s i prefer sub
everyone plays giga aoe so the boss damage balances out most of the comps in pugs

[lavish axle]

How is it looking for m+ next season with the buffs + tier set?

[tribal blade]

🙂

look i'm a sub rogue in keys

[chrome palm]

https://tenor.com/view/bay-harbor-butcher-dexter-doakes-sergeant-therapy-gif-13863967297528784983

[tribal blade]

you cannot TECHNICALLY say i haven't pushed as sub

[vale pine]

haha, even more pre combat stuff

[tulip gorge]

Yeah no way that doesn’t get changed

[shadow snow]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[clever delta]

damn insane buffs

we are so back§

is there any other class dodging this blue post are we are the chosen one again?

[hollow spear]

Some classes might wish to have dodged the blue post

[clever delta]

yeah but fuck that shit

[north schooner]

only class because we're speshul

[clever delta]

look how they fine tune the classes taking care they are happy

but when it come to us

[hollow spear]

Wdym fine tune

[clever delta]

its like aura buff this aura nerf this

[hollow spear]

Half of the buffs are aura buffs

[clever delta]

yeah but look at mages

or dks

or hunters

[hollow spear]

I never look at Mages or hunters

It depresses me

Just look at warrior

[clever delta]

we are really abadoned spec

Zero Dev work in past year or more

[hollow spear]

Hey, they removed dust!

[clever delta]

thats more than year ago

verymad

[hollow spear]

?

It's not

[clever delta]

they removed dust before tww no?

[hollow spear]

I think in 11.0.5

[chrome palm]

dust/supercharger was october

[fathom adder]

yes, before 11.1 at least

[clever delta]

damn

i dont remember playing dust in S1

[hollow spear]

Time flies if you enjoy it

[jade urchin]

why do i wake up to ptr changes and rogue is the only class not mentioned

[fathom adder]

[jade urchin]

this shit boring

[clever delta]

becasue we are perfectly balaneced

and bug free

there is literary zero bugs

[dry plank]

What?

[jade urchin]

0 room for improvement on any rogue spec

literally perfect in all aspects

[rapid torrent]

Hi yall random question, anyone know a rough breakdown of what sub’s damage is split between physical/shadow?

[dry plank]

You are about to summon Guy again guys. Be careful

[clever delta]

so what

[steel zinc]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[dry plank]

What are you dooming about? What happened?

[clever delta]

i wonder what happened to most broken class from this season (Dev) that it need buffing 😄

[steel zinc]

no changes we sim 5mil and other nearly 7 so we are doomed

and if we doom like boomkins and hide sims we will get a buff

[chrome palm]

its like 60-40 in raid or 70-30 in keys Phys-Shadow

[hollow spear]

Who sims nearly 7 that didn't get nerfed?

[fathom adder]

mm is the only one afaik

7.2 prenerf today

(and still one of the strongest now)

[hollow spear]

Yeah but it also got nerfed, no?

[fathom adder]

true, i misread, mb

[steel zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13ZJ3yjII166ng2OCDXRk41oojhlBldFs8Qimy8h76wg/edit?gid=1774556142#gid=1774556142

[steel zinc]

yeah they are not in the sheet but 7,2

but mm has so much varriance its like outlaw *4

[chrome palm]

its probably a lot less variance with their new tier right?

[steel zinc]

yes

[raw wadi]

You miss that insane Tiersets from this season.

No 50% on firebreath and eternity surge whenever you want(+insane random procs)

[north schooner]

MM still did disgusting numbers in keys post nerf last night

[clever delta]

small nerf wont kill broken class

[chrome palm]

mm only received very modest nerfs to both hero talents

[steel zinc]

its still op

but hunter wont be meta in high keys

[chrome palm]

theyve nerfed hunter in like every tuning pass i imagine they get hit again before patch drops

[north schooner]

or in w1

[steel zinc]

in raid you will play two or 3 if it stays this way

[north schooner]

same with fdk I guess, they only caught a 3% aura nerf

[steel zinc]

like whole raid comp will be build around buffing dk and hunter

[chrome palm]

their hero talents got nerfed as well i think idk how much that impacts them

blood and veng both getting 8% damage buffs is pretty funny to me

[north schooner]

the ones I saw played deathbringer though

[clever delta]

Hunters we're already top dps this season need to be next too ?

[steel zinc]

Most played class

gotta cater to the masses

sadly

[chrome palm]

you guys need to stop asking for hunter nerfs

if hunter is that good you might actually get invited to keys as rogue

better hunter than mage lmfao

[north schooner]

well they're both good

[clever delta]

It will be lovely when I dont get any loot cos im worst simming class again

[steel zinc]

if your rl decides loot like that you should find a new guild

[clever delta]

Sure buddy

If the item sim 50k for me and 80k for other surely I'm supposed to get it

🤡

[chrome palm]

rogue is like anchor spot though

so you have to gear it

[steel zinc]

You said it like put in 5min sim is the be all end all and it isnt

[hollow spear]

I'll just tell them sub cranks on damage amps

Which isn't even a lie

[clever delta]

Yeah start running simms with dmg amp

[chrome palm]

pre-disorient pre-trinket stack apl sim

works every time

[steel zinc]

how much % is pre dis?

[chrome palm]

i dunno ive just been doing it for fun

🙈

tfd on gallywix is op

[fathom adder]

thought lets look into the us forums

read mafic

never again, my god

[hollow spear]

Are you not holding for adds anymore @chrome palm

Reading mafic at least makes me forget all the doomers in here

[chrome palm]

my guild likes to instant kick the boss, so tfd is the only way i have dance up for the adds lol

[fathom adder]

true true

there is always worse

[hollow spear]

If you could kick five seconds in, my guild would have done it

[north schooner]

reading mafic is almost self harm

[steel zinc]

tldr?

[hollow spear]

It's a reassurance that, no matter how stupid I feel, there's always someone dumber than me

You can't tldr mafic, it hurts your brain trying to do that

[steel zinc]

do the devs listend to him?

[north schooner]

only him

[runic trail]

Mafic is Realz in disguise

This is my theory

[north schooner]

that would explain the lack of changes tbh, it takes time posting so much every day

[random comet]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

If devs had listened to him, they would have shut down RH long ago

No players left

[north schooner]

I don't believe that. There are dozens of mafics out there they just don't post

[tribal blade]

lemme go to a random rogue forum post and see if he's still there

boom immediately

bro NO DON'T GIVE SIN MORE DMG IN STEALTH WINDOWS

playing around IC is already cringe

[keen dome]

no, pruning sepsis was good

do more of that

goremaws? prune it

[tribal blade]

yeah pruning sepsis was a massive W

[steel zinc]

https://raider.io/characters/us/emerald-dream/Mafic

why is this guy talking?

He doesnt even play the freaking game

maybe pvp

[tribal blade]

bro doesn't even have 4set

i'm dead

[spiral sierra]

ive seen those surf emojis somewhere before O.o has to be a troll from another discord.

[runic trail]

ESPECIALLY NOT WITH THE GOD-DAMN MARK MANAGEMENT

[tribal blade]

nah it's not lol

he legit just spams in the rogue forums

horrible ideas

[runic trail]

Being able to play VV in raids to free up vanish for mark swapping was so nice

[steel zinc]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/emerald-dream/mafic/pvp

ok not even arena

nothing rated

idk

[runic trail]

Avoids situations where its just, 'yeah, you don't have your hero talent for a while, HAVE FUN DICKHEAD'

[tribal blade]

you literally cannot have any idea of how things are functioning if you don't even play the game

it's just not possible

[lilac stag]

He would play the game if rogue wasn’t shiet. Clearly it’s Armin shit posting between league games.

[tribal blade]

hahaha

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/you're-welcome-you're-welcome-gif-681815014536556973

have we recovered from another patch update with no changes? Or we still riding the hate / hopium rollercoaster?

[runic trail]

I'm just chilling

It be how it be at this point

[tribal blade]

i'm just browsing mafic's takes on the forums right now

[runic trail]

We don't advocate for self harm here

[spiral sierra]

is mafic even real?

xD

[tribal blade]

oh my god every single thread is people arguing

this is like reddit

[spiral sierra]

like its a ghost toon right?

[runic trail]

Imagine if it turns out he's just AI

[spiral sierra]

that would be nuts

[runic trail]

'Hey ChatGPT, how can I fuck up rogue?'

SEND IT TO THE FORUMS

[spiral sierra]

i would literally lose my shit at that.

[runic trail]

I wonder if he's in the discord.

[lilac stag]

This is how they program their CM ticket responses.

[runic trail]

Mafic, we summon thee.

👍
🏄 🏄‍♀️

[spiral sierra]

finnally decided to main rogue over monk btw, and monk gets a buff xD

[lilac stag]

You could have asked in here first.

[spiral sierra]

yeah i know >.<

[spiral sierra]

wdym?

[lilac stag]

everyone but guy would have said stay away unless you like the color purple.

[spiral sierra]

xD

[lilac stag]

once you’re here it’s prison

[spiral sierra]

rogue is fun

for me atleast

[lilac stag]

Only a select few get out

[runic trail]

Every time I make an alt I go back to rogue, I'm trapped.

[spiral sierra]

idk, i like burst specs/classes

[lilac stag]

!remindme 4 weeks

[spiral sierra]

xD

well it will either be sub/outlaw for me, idk if i want to touch sin

too slow

[lilac stag]

yay for fun though. fr

assa apm is same as sub

[spiral sierra]

is itnow ? HMMM

[tribal blade]

is sin losing relentless strikes really that big a deal

[spiral sierra]

maybe ill go see

[tribal blade]

apparently it is

[runic trail]

'Envenom windows'

Bro its all envenom

[spiral sierra]

sin for a hot minute, idk.

[lilac stag]

assa just has a more fluid apm, and sub has a way slower downtime.

[spiral sierra]

i c

[lilac stag]

in aoe assa apm is higher I believe.

[runic trail]

If there's envenom windows then sin is a fucking greenhouse

[tribal blade]

yeah i dont know what an envenom window is

[spiral sierra]

ill start re learning sin again, got a good buf that plays sin and outlaw, but i was the sub guy so.

[lilac stag]

Envenom lake fishing for blindside fish.

[wheat edge]

maybe he is saying that assa shines 100% of the time

[keen dome]

Shiny ass

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-truck-honk-gif-12763092

[keen dome]

Someday I'm gonna get the donkey mount

so I can be an Assassination Rogue riding his Ass into battle.

[tribal blade]

haha maybe

[lilac stag]

I can provide this picture for you.

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[graceful osprey]

To me, it seems like all the builder ability do like zero damage whereas the spender abilities do most of the damage. And it seems that way for every class. I wish builder abilities do more and feel heavier, but that’s just me.

[steel zinc]

[Unyielding Netherprism] is their any min maxing apart from encounters or we just send mostly at ~8 stacks with cds the trinket?

[hazy breach]

Its 9, but yeah you generally just send

You cant bank them and skip a set of cds like spymasters as you lose a bunch of stacks

[steel zinc]

Yeah true

Another question is outside cds or if cds are just over and your 2nd tier coup is counting down we can just send nearly at any cp or? Since we just do not have the energy to get to enough cp or?

[hazy breach]

Yes you can send coup at any CP

[steel zinc]

ok tyvm

[steel zinc]

Also also how much would the damage amp phase be to actually hold it? Their are like the 2nd boss a whole phase that lasts 50% of the fight and we def used during testing our 2nd set of cds at ~65. So might be worth holding and ramping all our damage I assume. Other bosses have also dmg amps.

So might be worth stacking up to 15 and then sending depending on boss timing ofc

[hazy breach]

I mean you send the trinket with cds

If you hold cds, youll get more stacks

[steel zinc]

yes ofc

[hazy breach]

Idk maybe if it lines up perfectly so we dont need to hold flag or blades you can hold the trinket for the amp

But most of the time well probably need to hold our cds for like 30s or so and then you would be wasting so many stacks by sitting at 15 instead of using it and having like 12 for the big pop

But yeah if theres a mugzee type situation where dps before x doesnt matter then ye youd hold the stacks

[steel zinc]

yup

4/8 bosses have dmg amps either we have smolderon 2.0 or we deadge no inbetween 😄

ty for all the answer btw much appriciated

[orchid sand]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/R4AGJtOABeQ

my god it's actually jinx

that's crazy

[olive flame]

Hey guys did someone else make a switch from outlaw to subtlety and would recommend it? The whole rolling of the buffs is kinda exhausting

[tribal blade]

i think the trade off would be going to a slower spec, but then you'll find the tracking of all of sub's different cds that refresh at different rates exhuasting too i would imagine

since you wouldn't be able to just press on cd anymore

[olive flame]

Hmm good take

Probably just have to try it and ill see

[tribal blade]

yeah give it a try for sure

just learn how to do the burst cd rotation, and then how to get to your next cd set with enough resources to do it all over again

[lilac stag]

It’s not. specs more builder focused are there (outlaw, enhance, fury for example)

[tribal blade]

best part is sub is the finisher spec and they keep trying to give us more builder dmg 🙂

[bronze hatch]

Sub cannot be called the finisher spec if it’s finishers regularly hit half as hard as assassinations.

I do, however, think of sub as the snap on demand damage spec. Nobody out bursts a sub rogue

[hazy breach]

Eviscerate does not do half of envenom lmao

[void ocean]

afternoon, Kings

r we still S tier?

[fallow nimbus]

Yes, we are S tier

[fleet wharf]

Sneaky

[fallow nimbus]

In the fuu tier list

[bronze hatch]

Wym?

I can get evis to 9 mil; I can get Envenom up to 20m, no boss phase amps

44m on Vexie

[spiral sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/spycrab-lol-gif-7559333

spy crab sneaky 😄

[hazy breach]

Are you forgetting the shadow part of eviscerate?
But also we have coup and secret technique that do most of the damage, so saying were not a finisher spec is a bit disingenuous

On average ye envenom does slightly more than eviscerate, but not by a lot

[bronze hatch]

No, Im going off the numbers that pop up when I use it, which still are not 20 million

[hazy breach]

I looked at the top logs of sprocket, 20M envenom and almost 16M eviscerate

[bronze hatch]

Sounds like sin is the finisher spec to me

[hazy breach]

Obviously split into 2 as eviscerate does shadow+phys

[bronze hatch]

Only during blades

[tepid trellis]

why doesent evenom do the same as sectech then?

[bronze hatch]

Bc it hits harder

[tepid trellis]

sounds like sub is the finisher spec to me then

[bronze hatch]

Weaker finishers sure

[tepid trellis]

yet sectech hits harder

[hazy breach]

With blades that 16M is almost the same as the 20M fwiw

[bronze hatch]

Now, you’re broadening terms lol

Sounds like a 16m with an asterisk

[lilac stag]

Cooked Takes. Definitely S tier menu today

[hazy breach]

Sectech does like 30M without counting blades

[bronze hatch]

Lol no it doesn’t

Sectech maxes out around 10m

[swift tinsel]

Because sub has split damage in logs/details unlike sin

[tepid trellis]

sectech is split into 3 hits xD

[swift tinsel]

Coup into six lmao

[tepid trellis]

each clone does about 10mil lol

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/hulkhogan-nodding-nod-yes-yup-gif-5157947301832992791

[bronze hatch]

Are we now claiming warrior demolish hits for 30 million?

😂

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/my-sweet-summer-child-sweet-summer-child-game-of-thrones-gif-19977020

[tepid trellis]

one cast is close to 30mil

[bronze hatch]

Definitely we are doing this here

Same logic

[hazy breach]

What

Why would that not be true

[tribal blade]

forget the numbers for a sec, we base the fact that sub is the finisher spec based on this

[swift tinsel]

Are we watching someone learn how numbers work in real time

[lilac stag]

[bronze hatch]

Lolll we are seeing people claim 16 million is greater than 20 million

[hazy breach]

Obviously it would be more fun if it was one big hit, but numerically its the exact same if something is doing 10+10+10 and 30

[void ocean]

funny thing I've never seen em numb

[hazy breach]

No, 16*1.24 ~= 20M is what i said

[bronze hatch]

Because you know Envenom doesn’t have anything else ticking at the same time where it does extra damage lol

How much extra damage does that evnvenom provide?

[tribal blade]

did you just respond to your own comment

[spiral sierra]

i have more than that tho

[bronze hatch]

I like making sure you catch the obvious

[tepid trellis]

bonk

[swift tinsel]

Uh oh mafic found his way here

[spiral sierra]

mafic is?

[tribal blade]

HAHAHAHAHA

incredible

[spiral sierra]

xD

[swift tinsel]

Checkmate

Master Saifu

[bronze hatch]

Since envenom amps previously applied poisons, we need to include that

I was being generous and just doing the hit

[tribal blade]

o i reckon m8

[bronze hatch]

Which is easily twice what you can do with your sectech

[hazy breach]

[fleet wharf]

why u arguing with us here? argue with the assa people, I think they're more likely to agree with you

[wheat edge]

Professional ragebaiter at work

[tribal blade]

hrm

[bronze hatch]

Unfortunate, but it’s the truth

If you want the hardest hitting finisher, you’re not playing sub

[tribal blade]

nah this must be trolling

[fleet wharf]

yea, sorry I fed the troll too

[short radish]

whats 10x3?

[bronze hatch]

Ironically, if you’re wanting to play the rogue spec, that cares about being stealthed, you’re also not playing sub

[tepid trellis]

21

[spiral sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-did-i-just-read-what-the-fuck-wtf-did-i-just-read-wtf-i-read-wtf-gif-22159188

[runic trail]

Ambush is the most powerful ability on sin because it then leads into the rest of the rotation

[lilac stag]

10

[fleet wharf]

30000

[bronze hatch]

Bingo

[tribal blade]

LOL the meme

it's real

[bronze hatch]

It’s like saying shield the righteous only does one hit worth of damage, when it has like six talents it influences

You can’t give that to secret technique and not to envenom

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8zUsZQ_JvA

[wheat edge]

I mean you press sec tech once and it does 30m

[void ocean]

well if the question was about hydrostatic pressure, she would be correct

[tepid trellis]

nerd

[spiral sierra]

im just lost what are we compareing to envenom? Sectec or Evis

?

[short radish]

i dont even know anymore

[bronze hatch]

This can only happen when you’re rolling all your buffs, much like when sin is rolling all its bleeds also influenced by envenom

It’s also only possible to do this stringing secret technique % buffs together

[fleet wharf]

we're comparing snd to recuperate

[tribal blade]

would be both for the sake of the argument

[short radish]

snd gives recuperate so nyeh

[lilac stag]

do we need to break the emergency glass to call Whispyr to do a how to math as assa rogue video?

[bronze hatch]

Whatever are the current person arguing Feels like gives them the best stance

[wheat edge]

what? I mean envenom doesnt hit 20m baseline either

[hazy breach]

No, only using the literal damage sectech does

[fleet wharf]

they were separate in cata/mop reeee

[spiral sierra]

i mean compareing envenom to sectec is stupid since one is 1 hit and the other is multiple.

[tribal blade]

you could @ him

and see what happens

[wheat edge]

you need ur stuff around it to do that

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/science-gif-27088069

[bronze hatch]

That’s how strawmen work

[tepid trellis]

incomparable cuz evis and sectech arent single hits, so unfortuntely im gonna have to tell the jury that sub has been disqualified from entering the contest

[short radish]

have you ever considered that perhaps when everyone is telling you that you are wrong, that perhaps your logic might be flawed

[brisk onyx]

I guess someone is patching up what he just said

[bronze hatch]

Needs to be quoted because people are mad about truth and rage giffing

[short radish]

or are you the main character

[hazy breach]

11+5+4 != 20 apparently

[bronze hatch]

Not really I’ve encountered the power of stupid people in large group before

[spiral sierra]

thats what i thought xD this convo is crazy!

[short radish]

and this is just only making you stronger or something

[tribal blade]

you know what, this is just another example of how shadowed finishers and sectec are problematic right here in real time

[short radish]

okay lets take like

50 steps back

[bronze hatch]

There is a reason all of you needed a guide writer

[wheat edge]

okay if you dont have poisons applied u cant press envenom

checkmate

[short radish]

are you aware that sectech has multiple hits?

[runic trail]

TRUE

[tribal blade]

help @vale pine

you're needed

[bronze hatch]

Which one? I had to string two together to be able to hit the big one. And then also increased all the damage I was dealing in that 10 second window.

[tepid trellis]

the fuck is fuu gonna do lol

[spiral sierra]

was just going to say

the same thing

[tribal blade]

he said we need a guide writer

[bronze hatch]

Laugh at you.

Like I am lol

[tribal blade]

although stealthi is also a guide writer haha

[vale pine]

whats the question?

[tepid trellis]

nah he would call u a dumbass

[tepid trellis]

so is eleem

[tribal blade]

nvm it's WW3 in here haha

[runic trail]

whats 10+10+10

[lilac stag]

@bronze hatch https://youtu.be/u8ccGjar4Es?si=B8Rg91R4l0brHnEl

[bronze hatch]

Somebody said that this is the finisher spec and I said how can I be the finisher spec when it doesn’t have the hardest hitting finisher

[tribal blade]

TRUE mb

[bronze hatch]

Then everybody argued about how many times things hit

[spiral sierra]

21

[hazy breach]

But it literally does

[spiral sierra]

😄

[hazy breach]

So

[tribal blade]

i'm deadnaming the TCs in here

[bronze hatch]

Wrong

[vale pine]

42

[short radish]

damn he sure showed you

[runic trail]

I'm bad at math so I'm taking this as gospel

[swift tinsel]

Well now you’re just arguing from ignorance

[lilac stag]

21

[runic trail]

wait but lunchmeat said 21

So

[tepid trellis]

@vale pine what hits hardets
Evenom or sectech in 1 singular cast

[spiral sierra]

LOL

[vale pine]

secret

[tribal blade]

obviously it's dispatch

[vale pine]

unless blizz fucked up something

[short radish]

no its ambush

[runic trail]

Fuu withholding the answers saying that its a secret, wow

[tribal blade]

oh yeah mb ambush

[runic trail]

Reveal the knowledge

[tepid trellis]

well according to the madman it does not

[short radish]

wait no sorry it's the hidden poison knife technique

[vale pine]

i have a theory

maybe

[tepid trellis]

even though 30mil is more than 20mil

[short radish]

we've been sandbagging this entire time

[spiral sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-life-is-a-lie-shocked-gif-17981657

[vale pine]

he did look at a log

where secret clones bugged out

[bronze hatch]

Lol
It’s just funny we talk about all these extra hits secret technique does, and we don’t talk about the bonus damage envenom brings to the table

[lilac stag]

Dispatch

[vale pine]

200 iq, secret does no damage

if it only does physical part

[tepid trellis]

nah he just only looks at the 1 number he gets on his screen

[hazy breach]

Its not "extra hits", its just hits

[spiral sierra]

what bonus DMG?

[tribal blade]

nah actually

divine storm

[vale pine]

to be fair

[swift tinsel]

TRUE

[hazy breach]

But ye idk my bad for feeding the troll

[vale pine]

its very easy to varify

lets look at ze simulations

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short radish]

if an attack hits but the numbers don't show up on the screen, does the attack even happen?

[spiral sierra]

bruh don't clown me, envenom dosen't give bonus DMG

[hazy breach]

It does show up on the screen

[tepid trellis]

more poison ticks!

[bronze hatch]

Read the ability dummy

[short radish]

it's a different number so it's a different attack

[wheat edge]

what if I have envenom buff rolling and still lowroll and apply 0 poisons

gg...

[spiral sierra]

the way you worded it was something like monk debuff for raid dude

guess i can't read

or w/e

[bronze hatch]

Lol

[hazy breach]

TIme to stop giving mr Bum attention lads, hes just trolling

[short radish]

you sure youre not an outlaw rogue?

[bronze hatch]

Or you’re just dishonestly arguing

[spiral sierra]

was debateing on maining it honestly, screw DOTS

[bronze hatch]

Anyway, you all are boring. Goodbye.

[spiral sierra]

lol wut

[bronze hatch]

Honestly lol sure

[short radish]

no don't leave

this was so much fun

there's so little content until new tier

[fleet wharf]

but dude, this is the most active I've seen this channel

[tribal blade]

all we've had recently is me complaining about M+

[spiral sierra]

same

[short radish]

what are we supposed to do? p*sh keys?

[lilac stag]

It’s rogue. Just full stop at so little content.

[spiral sierra]

gross

keys

[tribal blade]

i like how you censored it like it was explicit content

[bronze hatch]

Don’t forget, to enjoy the stealth based rogue spec that doesn’t use stealth

Thanks, trickster!

[short radish]

it is. we don't like saying that word around here.

[wheat edge]

is arcane missiles the lowest damaging spell in the game? @bronze hatch

[short radish]

same with sp*its

[vale pine]

if we look at this lovely graph

[tribal blade]

next are we gonna argue about if sin or sub has more funnel

[bronze hatch]

Per hit? Nah that’s rend bro

[vale pine]

we see that dpe (damage per execution)

is noticable higher on secret

[lilac stag]

Arcane

[spiral sierra]

did he just say "REND"

[short radish]

enhance

[runic trail]

Yeah but, take into account the next 5 minutes after you hit the button, what then?

[fleet wharf]

why do ppl keep saying sub has funnel? I thought we didn't have any

[tribal blade]

sorry this isn't S1

[bronze hatch]

This right here is why nobody ever takes you seriously bro

[short radish]

people still think we're in bfa or something

[hazy breach]

Rend doesnt do any damage, its just bonus damage apparently

[spiral sierra]

me?

[tribal blade]

that's part of the joke haha

[lilac stag]

We have an ability called tornado. Read your damn talents.

[runic trail]

He thought he was out but we reeled him back in. MORE CONTENT BOYS.

[bronze hatch]

Nobody here reads abilities

[short radish]

reading is for mages

im here to stab

[tribal blade]

mages only know how to read when they're undertuned

[spiral sierra]

do you think i don't know that? xD im just a sheep. idk why you are making me an example with this comment.

[vale pine]

there are other similar damage boni too, like flawless form and such

[tribal blade]

so naturally they're never reading

[short radish]

holy shit this is so true

[vale pine]

so unsure i understand the point

[short radish]

WAIT

does this mean

sectech is actually a DoT?

because it hits multiple times

[vale pine]

yes

[swift tinsel]

Yep

[short radish]

holy shit

[runic trail]

DOT SPEC CONFIRMED

[swift tinsel]

Damage over time

[fleet wharf]

holy shit sub #1 dot spec

[tribal blade]

mind actually blown right now

[vale pine]

well its not a dot but its multiple triggers

[short radish]

it acutally all makes sense now

[vale pine]

akaaris soul is a dot

tho

[short radish]

i understand the bumflap

[vale pine]

[tribal blade]

WAIT so is sub the dot spec or sin????

[spiral sierra]

trigger spec confirmed!

[tribal blade]

new argument

[vale pine]

which is why you could get half ticks of akaaris

[short radish]

clearly it's sub because it does the most dot damage

[tepid trellis]

thin our rupture does more per cast than theirs so maybe

[runic trail]

Dot spec AND finisher spec

[vale pine]

whats complicated to understand

[tribal blade]

exactly 100%

[swift tinsel]

Well coup is a dot too then

[fleet wharf]

dude our rupture slaps

[swift tinsel]

Six hits over time, just hyper compressed

[tribal blade]

oh that's right haha, whysper hates it

[vale pine]

still think we need a rupture rename

easy fix

[bronze hatch]

We know you are

[vale pine]

can't complain that rupture does more damage on subtlety

[spiral sierra]

bruh you mad?

like srsly?

[vale pine]

if there is no rupture on subtlety

[short radish]

do you even lift?

[vale pine]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-think-meme-intelligence-common-sense-gif-8946867

[bronze hatch]

Double posts lel

[swift tinsel]

So we have as many st dot abilities as sin

[runic trail]

True. Shadow dot time, we can muscle in on affliction's territory

[fleet wharf]

but do we need rupture though? if they give us other ways of remaining somewhat viable outside of cds on damage?

[bronze hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/cymbals-monkey-brain-the-simpsons-homer-empty-head-gif-15689692

[spiral sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/lifting-spongebob-lift-workout-heavy-gif-16671359

[wheat edge]

Shadow rupture

[vale pine]

lets call it nightlade

and use a purple logo

insane idea

[spiral sierra]

might be the first time i block someone in discord

[bronze hatch]

I’d be happy with anything that challenges trickster

[vale pine]

i know

[short radish]

do you really want to block content

[runic trail]

You know how to summon @keen dome

[bronze hatch]

Grow up and do it instead of bitching about it

[spiral sierra]

i mean its tempting

[keen dome]

PURPLE

[fleet wharf]

the only annoying thing is it still shows you he's talking because it shows up as 1 ignored message

[bronze hatch]

It’s kind of annoying to see

[runic kraken]

What’s the consensus on DfA as a rotational ability? 🤔

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/bop-bop-bop-shoebody-bop-squad-summon-dark-magic-gif-13983602502478731881

[bronze hatch]

But I don’t really mind blocking people
That’s why he’s already blocked

[vale pine]

i mean the conversation moved

so

[short radish]

pretty sure there are extensions you can get to just hide it completely

[spiral sierra]

yeah Fuu, i think its just a troll fest today now xD

[vale pine]

🤷‍♀️ lets go back to complain about sim numbers to low

[hazy breach]

Does pretty much the exact same thing sectech is doing, except it has a cool animation

[keen dome]

Make it function like touch of the magi

[short radish]

wait does coup count as a DoT?

[lilac stag]

Sorry rogue numbers aren’t on the sheet.

[swift tinsel]

Yea

[lilac stag]

try again later.

[fleet wharf]

fuu's sheet isn't updated yet right?

[spiral sierra]

nope

[swift tinsel]

Sub is on light mode sheet

[spiral sierra]

theres 2 sheets?

[short radish]

holy shit sub has so many dots.

Shuriken tornado is also a dot

[swift tinsel]

On season 3 panel

[runic kraken]

Nice, thought I was alone on that.

[swift tinsel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spiral sierra]

like seperate?

oh cool

tyty

[bronze hatch]

Officially true

[runic trail]

If shadowed finishers counts, then we're all dots baybee

[lilac stag]

Until it’s on here, sims don’t exist.

[short radish]

yeah i was just about to say that

[spiral sierra]

link?

[lilac stag]

Subscribe to my onlyfans

For link

[spiral sierra]

kekw

[swift tinsel]

Only IzenHeart sim sheets count

The truth and the light

Amen

[lilac stag]

Support Izen. He recognized rogue has been ignored. Just don’t mind the rest of his hot garbage.

[fleet wharf]

I dunno, I def want more tweaks on rogue, but is it even good to be a meta spec for the tier though?

[lilac stag]

[short radish]

i just want bug fixes and to be middle of the pack

[vale pine]

outlaw probably around 5M

[lilac stag]

S2 round 2. Lets go

[bronze hatch]

You burst harder until you’re first place for the first six minutes of the fight and like it

[lilac stag]

Damage Amp will set us free!

[vale pine]

sure

[lilac stag]

damage amp

[keen dome]

Our secret weapon

[short radish]

our secret technique

[keen dome]

Final boss having a 200% amp? That's our moment

Assuming we have cooldown

[bronze hatch]

Until the assassination rogue next to you hits a 100 million envenom and everyone is asking you why you’re playing sub

[keen dome]

Because it doesn't matter and i'm gonna play Sub

[short radish]

brother why are you even here if you hate sub this much

i mean all of us hate it here

but still enjoy playing sub

[bronze hatch]

You: “w-well actually sectech hits three times”

oh yeah, me saying that definitely means I Hate it, God you have such a persecution complex

[spiral sierra]

lol bumflaps still flapping?

[keen dome]

I play Sub because I enjoy it the most and if anybody demands I play another spec I'll just laugh at them

[lilac stag]

Don’t mind the 45 second specs doing more ST sims numbers snd getting dmg amps. Sub is ~FINE~ FUN!!!

[fleet wharf]

woo f woof

[graceful osprey]

No deathstalker Sub

[keen dome]

they can't do more ST than me if they're dead.

[short radish]

well i dunno you haven't given any indication that you like the spec

[spiral sierra]

im not a dog 😦

[short radish]

so i have to assume you hate it

[bronze hatch]

The funniest part of my spec to be honest

Is that trickster is still the single target pick

[fleet wharf]

I'm not calling you a dog, I'm the one borking

just trying to blend in with the background

[bronze hatch]

He gets butthurt about everything don’t mind him

[spiral sierra]

thats fair sorry

[bronze hatch]

Maybe the fact that I fucking play it?
Stop looking for reasons to be offended

[short radish]

im not offended, i'm just confused

[graceful osprey]

I believe trickster is still the ST spec. Shame, and I leveled as deathstalker and played as deathstalker for a bit during the start of war within too

[spiral sierra]

stop attacking ppl then.

[lilac stag]

@vale pine are you going to actually those soonTM? I’m ready to laugh at slowmode spec channels

[hazy breach]

I mean trickster is the sub hero talent

[bronze hatch]

You’re not confused, you’re sensitive

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker isnt designed and doesnt function for sub

[wheat edge]

sounds like sin has shit finishers?

[fleet wharf]

but all of one node interacts with sub!

[keen dome]

Deathstalker isn't designed is probably the most apt description for it.

[bronze hatch]

This makes me sad but is true

[short radish]

okay so when someone asks a question, it's because they are confused and want clarification

[lilac stag]

Rogue hero talents aren’t designed.

[hazy breach]

Like the core gameplay loop of getting 2 darkest nights in a single dance

[keen dome]

trickster reduces sectec cd, it's good

[bronze hatch]

When someone makes an accusation, then later backpedals and pretends it was something else, that’s gaslighting

[hazy breach]

Hasnt worked since the DN bug got introduced 2 weeks into Season 1

[graceful osprey]

It’s okay in 12.0, they’ll focus on rogue and fix things and make things better

[fleet wharf]

and tomorrow, sun will rise from the west

[keen dome]

Hey, it could.

[hazy breach]

And thats just ST, the aoe i cant even be bothered to be upset about anymore

[lilac stag]

How’s that trickster AOE looking?

[bronze hatch]

The easy word for it is dishonesty

[keen dome]

Pretty solid in most circumstances.

[lilac stag]

the design

[short radish]

okay so me assuming you hate sub because all you've done is say misinformation for the last hour is me being sensitive?

again

clarification

not sensitive

[bronze hatch]

Yes

[short radish]

please dont assume there is any anger behind my statement

on a scale my fucks given meter is about a 2 atm

[bronze hatch]

Another word for it is lying

[lilac stag]

are upside down folk even allowed to be sensitive?

[short radish]

no

[keen dome]

We could use another BP buff, tbh.

It's still not reached peak comedy levels.

[tribal blade]

i for one am boiling with rage

[short radish]

okay now this makes me angry

[keen dome]

We're SO close to that funny day where they buff it above Evis and go "oh wait shit"

[bronze hatch]

It’s a video game class, not your best friend

[vale pine]

the sims i linked are on !fuu, light mode 2nd tab

[spiral sierra]

why does it make you angry? just curious.

[vale pine]

i added outlaw too, but its as i mentioned 5 mil

[short radish]

because i do not want to press BP in single target

[vale pine]

so all 3 are close

[graceful osprey]

Would be funny if BP replaces evis

[lilac stag]

All equally low compare to other classes

[spiral sierra]

wait i thought that was like a meme? thats real? ok yeah no BP buff please >.<

[vale pine]

pmuch

[short radish]

there was a really wacky build somewhere in the middle/end of season 1 where you used divine storm on every single finisher as ret paladin

it was about 2% behind on dps in ST

[bronze hatch]

Angry bc sensitive

[short radish]

and as soon as there was any cleave it was better

[graceful osprey]

No way lol, that’s crazy

[spiral sierra]

thats not sensative, look at the context above that line

[short radish]

it was the ultimate chinese tech

[keen dome]

If they do it, it'll be like that for a day or two

[short radish]

then dawnbreaker or w/e the ret hero talent is called got nerfed

[keen dome]

And it'd be really funny

[graceful osprey]

Spamming BP, imagine lol

[spiral sierra]

would be weird.

[fleet wharf]

I mean if they do same damage, why would it matter?

[spiral sierra]

it would feel like survival hunter just spaming bombs

[fleet wharf]

I mean the spec changes a lot anyway, /shrug

[spiral sierra]

true

[graceful osprey]

What if blizzard gave sub shadow bombs

[spiral sierra]

hmmmmmmm

[keen dome]

Give us Kyveza animations

[graceful osprey]

Give us Kyveza’s void pull in ability too

[short radish]

just give us kyveza

[keen dome]

Well good news about that

[fleet wharf]

we're getting her as the delve boss next tier

[short radish]

who cares about xalatoes

[keen dome]

Season 3: Ky'veza's big day out

[swift tinsel]

ME

[short radish]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766349238941777931/1294061986115747861/lmfao.gif?=&width=1233&height=1080

[keen dome]

oh no

[swift tinsel]

Lmao I was just about to post that one

[graceful osprey]

Sub rogue vs Kyvesa is peak 1v1 fantasy

[keen dome]

Just a shadowstep war

[lilac stag]

We’re so getting another BP buff week 2

[short radish]

please stop speaking about BP

[graceful osprey]

I think it would be kinda okay if we get a proc that boosts BP damage to primary target

[short radish]

PLEASE

STOP

SPEAKING

ABOUT

BP

DEVS DO READ THIS CHANNEL

[swift tinsel]

Gonna be a rogue raid log and shaman everything else season for me lol

[short radish]

DO NOT GIVE THEM IDEAS

[lilac stag]

that’s the only tuning knob they’ve figured out on sub in the last 5 months.

[swift tinsel]

REALZ HASNT SPOKEN IN HERE IN NINE MONTHS WE’RE GOOD

[lilac stag]

it’s BP buff or Sectech nerf

[keen dome]

Buff BP by 11%. DO IT. Just for a WEEK. It'd be REALLY FUNNY.

[lilac stag]

That’s it

[brisk onyx]

How to design a sub: buff bp when you don't know what to do

[graceful osprey]

If the devs read this, return us to hemo spam please

[swift tinsel]

He actively avoids talking in this channel

[fleet wharf]

can't you just go play mop right now

[graceful osprey]

I am lol

[swift tinsel]

He got close and typed but never sent anything a month or so ago, closest we got lmao

[vale pine]

lol

[fleet wharf]

bro how do you stand leveling in classic? I can't go back any more i think

[tepid trellis]

need the gods from above to just smite Deathstalker from existence

[swift tinsel]

Yes fucking please

[hazy breach]

Deathstalker and find weakness+shadowed finishers gone

We would be so back

[swift tinsel]

Holy based

[graceful osprey]

Classic vanilla is slow and a grind, but right now, I feel like classic MOP leveling feels okay, even on new characters

[short radish]

yaaaas

[swift tinsel]

FW/SF and tune up finishers

[tepid trellis]

id take a 10% dmg nerf for those changes

ngl

[fleet wharf]

yea, but lack of dragon riding and 20 people waiting to tag mobs make me gag

[hazy breach]

But tbh the theme for deathstalker is good

[tepid trellis]

the vibes would be immaculate

[hazy breach]

Just the gameplay is not

[graceful osprey]

I believe the important mobs can be tagged by anyone in MOP. I do miss the “I am speed” when flying tho

[tribal blade]

@chrome palm and i were complaining about playing deathstalker sin to each other earlier

[lilac stag]

Week 2 Rogue Tuning:
outlaw:

• Killing Spree cast no longer can be canceled.

subtlety:

• Black Powder Buffed 21%

assassination:

• 4 pc tier set now buffs nature dmg by 5%
• 8% aura buff

[tribal blade]

it's beyond me that hero tree continues to function the way it does

[slate marlin]

y idc about tuning, what baffles me is the lack of hero tslent changes we have got

for all3 specs

[fleet wharf]

yea I feel for deathstalker they need to make it so more of the bonii actually interact with what sub cares about

[slate marlin]

or make bp work with dn for a lazy solution

[lilac stag]

They have no time allotted to do anything with it. This whole patch cycle is fucked.

[graceful osprey]

If not 12.0, maybe 13.0 surely

[lilac stag]

it’s legit shadowlands part deux

[brisk onyx]

14.0 we will back

[fleet wharf]

didn't they manage to do a pretty big rework of some classes mid expansion so far on tww though?

[tribal blade]

for non rogues yes

because those classes have an actual playerbase 🙂

[fleet wharf]

they managed to break aug mid expansion, there's hope yet

[tribal blade]

good change

i actually forgot aug existed the past few months and it's been great

[short radish]

oh yeah

[lilac stag]

Double whammy. We have no players. Stealth interactions likely the most difficult class to design around.

[short radish]

im so glad aug isnt meta this tier

[slate marlin]

they have worked on quite some hero tslent and specs ye

[tribal blade]

yeah actually