dude 87%
#subtlety
pliant topaz
yeah DS is about 89-90% prob
left ledge
pliant topaz
with momentum ofc
hazy breach
Maybe bp does higher prio than evis at 2 targets now with new tier
But definitely at 3
pliant topaz
@hazy breach its time
bp got buffed
we check if if save coup for flag or dance or w/e
and bp 
hazy breach
Cant really be bothered, it just seems bad to me
pliant topaz
waiting? like not doing any finishers?
swift tinsel
farm sht
hazy breach
For flag
pliant topaz
hmm fair enough
hazy breach
Like getting the refund on your coup so you dont have to storm in between them by getting 4-5 sht stacks before is really good
But even on live its good
pliant topaz
yeah i can see that
chrome palm
lilac stag
maybe confused with blade flurry nerf
tribal blade
i help yet another person push up their 19 which turns into 20 ml
and they log off for the night
imma bout to lose my shit
lilac stag
my guy please stop
steel jolt
bright sundial
im start bping in ST noone gonna stop me
rocky ocean
Black Powder
steel zinc
we check if if save coup for flag or dance or w/e
You do that already on live at ~15 sec before flag
alpine wraith
ye
vale pine
should work
pearl swan
ty
vestal escarp
Gm black powders
tepid trellis
wow cant say that
steel zinc
If they would just a hero talent that has been bugged the whole exp
imagine it working with the other talents
that alone is the biggest aoe buff
hardy snow
vestal escarp
Those 5 black powders im flag are gonna go so hard
Actually only thing im looking forward is rotten fix
Thats pretty big
keen dome
Do we know if they fixed the tier set yet?
vestal escarp
No idea
runic trail
No, no.
Cope.
round latch
savage
alpine wraith
dont call bad times or we may use tornado again
actually oh no
with tornado you can sec tech coup coup
someone delete this from my brain
mighty citrus
do we have tornado enjoyers? 😄
round latch
truth is i welcome this buff,whatever smol or anything its still a W in my book
fathom adder
round latch
sounds like a league LCS team or something
void ocean
do we have tornado enjoyers? 😄
short radish
with tornado you can sec tech coup coup
Shut up holy shit, even though it doesn't seem it devs do read this
graceful crown
Lots of instant cdr pog
runic trail
Shut up holy shit, even though it doesn't seem it devs do read this
They should make our CDR based on haste 
runic trail
short radish
I hate it here
runic trail
Love you too
slate marlin
They should make our CDR based on haste <:kekdog:907207037757296710>
only if u are forced to reclear nugzee every day, 65 pulls minimum
89*
runic trail
only if u are forced to reclear nugzee every day, 65 pulls minimum
I'm already drinking bleach DW
torn storm
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fleet wharf
Hey guys, I was talking abougt the sindragosa's breath with a friend, but wouldn't it be pretty cool if flag+shadow blades got changed to something like that as an empowered ability? To regurgitate some of Max's point, you'd normally want to hold it all the way, but if the cd and poewr changed based on how long it was held, it could be pretty interesting. Dunno if that was just a crazy idea or not
tulip gorge
I assume the BP rule for trickster hasn't changed
still black powder at 8 targets and up?
fleet wharf
I think it's a bit lower if they have FW up
vestal escarp
It's FW dependant not targets dependant now
Dunno the precise treshold, prolly not tced yet
sinful zephyr
I read 3 earlier?
fleet wharf
I thought it was 5. let's just confidently give a number, someone will correct us with the right number eventually
lucid jackal
Hey guys, I was talking abougt the sindragosa's breath with a friend, but wouldn...
Why
fleet wharf
Why
i'm trying to figure out if that would be a good idea or not, but I think empower giving flexiblity with how you use cooldown is a cool idea in concept
and would work with how sub works already
void ocean
BoS is just... no
fleet wharf
cus most of the time, you'd hold it for the normal duration, but it being empower would give us other options. mostly niche, but we could adjust how strong the cd would be and how long the cd can be based on the empower duration
lucid jackal
cus most of the time, you'd hold it for the normal duration, but it being empowe...
That sounds somewhat interesting Ig
Sort of like dust but less spreadsheet
fleet wharf
cuz I was kind of interested in trying frost after hearing about the empoewr change, but the frost playerbase revolted and they reversed it before I could even try it
lucid jackal
Like 1-2-3 empower levels for 30 1:00 and 1:30 cd
fleet wharf
yea, and power would change too. 90% of the time, we'd hold it for 1:30 cd, but it would give us even more flexibility and control over our cds
bright sundial
I'm excited for the next buff to BP
new talent bp does 100% more dmg if only 1 target gets hit
fleet wharf
What'd you guys think about flurry becoming the new psychic link?
bright sundial
not joking guys you know how many bp buffs we had all expac i think they are plotting something mark my words XD
vernal hull
is there anything important we need for next tier
Time to go use bathrooms after cooldowns
torn storm
xd
vernal hull
😆
torn storm
just meant like is anything from s2 important for s3 early prog
vernal hull
Probably not. We will get better gear from zeroes and there's a mini hoc trinket in the dungeons and delve gear.
As long as you're 680 ish probably fine
torn storm
okay ty
tulip gorge
you could probably just farm 2000 valorstones
sinful zephyr
I would really Like SUB to have 2 charges of a flag/Blades merge that allows ist to have 2 separates short bursts or a Long one. That would give US much more flexibility and a nice combinatorial space to Work with
tulip gorge
to have for next season start
alpine wraith
s2 items are not that good overall
fleet wharf
Why not just make it empower instead of having to track even more charges?
sinful zephyr
Me too
fleet wharf
no, i kind of wish they went through with frost dk empower changes
sinful zephyr
Dont know empower
tulip gorge
melees hate casting
fleet wharf
yea but our autos don't do shit anyway
tulip gorge
sure but as melee you are used to having instant cast abilities
and having a random cast feels awkward
look at dragonflight when people hated puzzlebox
despite it being giga strong
it's just awkward and weird
and feels bad to play
killing spree on outlaw is a channeled ability now
and people hate it
fleet wharf
I haven't paid much attention to outlaw, but dont ppl prefer the new KS to what it was before?
vestal escarp
It's better that it doesnt kill you with teleports
But the new thing is questionable
fleet wharf
vestal escarp
people hate the charge gameplay of sub?
I dont like the shortcomings that come with it, if it was smoother and looked into it can be perfectly fine
tulip gorge
I dont like the shortcomings that come with it, if it was smoother and looked in...
they could tune the cdr on shadow dance a bit
vestal escarp
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741275386188529734/1372656620034592869/38...
I did this at last sprocket reclear
fleet wharf
I did this at last sprocket reclear
based
tulip gorge
but the charge system gives you flexibility to choose when to use your mini-bursts
tulip gorge
look at rik reverb, people were holding dance windows for barrels
vestal escarp
Yeah but heres the point
If one set of barrels spawned too close to your flag window
And you were holding a dance for that
tulip gorge
you still had enough charges to do flag
vestal escarp
You can be in the situation where sectech isnt ready for flag
It's not a bad system
But it has many flaws
tulip gorge
it's not perfect but it's interesting
and fun for me
time to make sec tech have 2 charges 
vestal escarp
Also the pooling for dance/sod charges
sinful zephyr
Thats why charges for Blades would be interesting but the duration would have to be half and flag gone
vestal escarp
The "holding"
fleet wharf
but now that I think about it, if they already changed KS to a channel, maybe they're already considering empwoer changes to a rogue spec and are just testing the waters
fleet wharf
but it's only possible because we can move around cd without losing much
fleet wharf
you can, but it's worse than saving resources for burst windows
with ptr i mean*
I kind of like that we have downtime between cds
tulip gorge
downtime is fine, but I think sub needs to be tuned higher
currently your dps drops hard as soon as you are done with flag
vestal escarp
The cps from extra coup dont allow you to cast one more dance in flags every time
fleet wharf
pretty sure you could, but it's not actually a damage increse based on what ryldd tested
alpine wraith
it is kinda whatever yes
more worth to triple dance flag
then just use sec tech on cd
vestal escarp
currently your dps drops hard as soon as you are done with flag
Blizz doesnt like too big burst (until they do - udk wink wink)
tulip gorge
with trickster tier set I think you no longer have the naked sec tech thing, after your 2nd flag
right
tulip gorge
fleet wharf
do you send naked sectechs whenever you have coup proc?
vestal escarp
How many coups you can on avg between flags? 2? 3 if you're risky
tulip gorge
Blizz doesnt like too big burst (until they do - udk wink wink)
they neutered the crap out of udk burst
fleet wharf
I thought currently you hold when flag is 20 sec out?
lucid jackal
What'd you guys think about flurry becoming the new psychic link?
Its been this way for years
tulip gorge
dev evoker is the burst king nowadays
lucid jackal
Blade flurry gets changed all the time lol
fleet wharf
dev evoker is the burst king nowadays
big true lmao
I would play evoker if I could get used to their shit range and hover
fleet wharf
what u mean it's always up when boss life is full
alpine wraith
dont you need to put dots and shit then engulf
fleet wharf
no, you do like 15mil dps for the first 5 seconds
vestal escarp
sub is just trusty
As trusty as my crit%
fleet wharf
it really is lmao
alpine wraith
but when we hit the second sec tech if we were nto like almost 30 secs in
it does do like 30m
imagine we were MoP or cata sub and just did 65m dps first 10 secs of the fight
then almost nothing for 1 min
pog
fleet wharf
Wouldn't it be kind of cool too if they made it so that deathstalker kind of plays like mop sub?
like your builders actually do damage?
alpine wraith
unlikely that ship sailed ages ago
like if people think sub does bad dps outside cds now
they werent playing back then
fleet wharf
I played horde, but weren't NE sub rogues ridiculously good because they got one more FW window?
alpine wraith
it can also be a problem nowadays they dont want people to be super special they already had 2 big issues with surrender priest venthyr boomkin
the tiers where sub was decent the extra FW did help yes but nothing crazy
orc and others were still good
because of cd stacking
fleet wharf
That's so interesting. I thought they';d just be shitting over all other races with how FW worked
alpine wraith
well last tier of mop had backstab converting into ambush sometimes
and on cata you really could not set up lots of finishers in an out of dance FW
fleet wharf
I'm kind of tempted to play mop sub, but I would need to find a guild, and that seems like too much work
fleet wharf
yea, you had so many thing sto upkeep
fleet wharf
that was def annoying, kind of felt like destro lock in that regard
vestal escarp
imagine we were MoP or cata sub and just did 65m dps first 10 secs of the fight
Peak
6 seconds of nuclear power
54 of chill
fleet wharf
so we traded that for 20 sec of uber power and 70 seconds of chill?
isn't the new version better?
fleet wharf
that is fascinating, hmm
alpine wraith
we are way more versatile now tho
remember old sub had 0 aoe 0 cleave
and still had to prep dances so it is not like you could rip it that is why is aid 10 secs
vestal escarp
so we traded that for 20 sec of uber power and 70 seconds of chill?
16 seconds of decent burst and 74 seconds of anxiety
fleet wharf
hey, there's 6 more seconds of mini burst in that 74 seconds
But on that note, I'm guessing they made the burst more ramping and longer so they don't have to be super weird about balancing vuln windows on raid bosses?
because if you had 6 seconds of nuclear power, they couldn't ever make any vuln phases on bosses without a sub rogue being necessary
vestal escarp
Thry toned down all bursts because it's easier to manage in all forms of gameplay
merry agate
Have some fond memories of old sub in hellfire citadel with soul capacitor trinket
alpine wraith
that was funny
but arcane was doing more too so it got weird
killing bosses in a maalus snap never got old tho
clever delta
i dont get it why they keep buffing bp
whats the reason behind it
surely we dont spam bp on that 3t council fight
tribal blade
it's a little awkward to tune sub's aoe tbh
considering how few tools we have to deal aoe dmg
still feels like we're missing 1-2 abilities in aoe
runic trail
Stonks
clever delta
just uncap sectech
:)))
isnt it funny they nerfed BF and buffed flurry at same time
vestal escarp
hazy breach
Ye idk what murlok does
vestal escarp
It does something like mrrrlg
remote shuttle
Mmmh i see nvm
tribal blade
i actually have edude on btag, he's a nice guy
just has 20 rookery left for 20 resil
i'm actually quite confident i could time a 20 rookery
(having never stepped foot in one)
actually nvm i dunno what i'm talking about
remote shuttle
🤣👍
steel zinc
what is this?
fleet wharf
We were talking about devs now being the big burst class
steel zinc
oh ok
fleet wharf
which they are, and I dont think theres much setup before they rip huge damage, so I just showed hachadino what the first 6 seconds of optimal dev burst looks like
hazy breach
Ye if youre exclusively looking at the first 6 seconds of a fight
fleet wharf
They look so good while you're progging fight because they get to keep their inflated burst numbers
hazy breach
But sub does the name burst, just later on (ie like 13-19s)
And thats with dev being overtuned and sub being undertuned
fleet wharf
surely we'll crush them next tier 
Actually, now that more of you guys are around, what do you guys think about empower but for sub (kind of like what they were planning on doing with sin breath for frostdk)? Like combining/replacing flag+shadow blades with an empower cd that would have diff cd lengths depending on how long you hold it
fleet wharf
yea, ppl were talking about how dragonflight trinket felt ass to use. I dunno I would have liked to try how that empower frostdk would've played out
bright sundial
Empower buttons feel like shit to press
what imagine if we had one for bp or tornado and at max charge you cant see your screen XD
hazy breach
yea, ppl were talking about how dragonflight trinket felt ass to use. I dunno I ...
The trinket from halls next season has a channel
Its probably getting nerfed, but if it doesnt we get to experience it again
fleet wharf
was it a good trinket for us? I wasn't playing in df
fleet wharf
But i guess what I was thinking more about is I liked what Max was talking about in terms of empower mechanic giving you way more control over how exactly your bursts will play out and having more options for cooldown management. I'm not necessarily thirsty to plant my feet and cast for my trinket unless the returns are phenomenal
alpine wraith
rogue had ER for a bit
and people didnt really like it
didnt help it had conditions too
tribal blade
i was an ER hater for sure
using ER with old sht and the ping i play with was HORRIBLE
alpine wraith
not many liked ER
we also had mfd for a bit vs deeper
what a clown fiesta of an expansion DF was
short aurora
STORMEATERS BOON 
tribal blade
mfd could have become a good pvp talent
merry agate
what a clown fiesta of an expansion DF was
Was it nightstalker?
Nightstalkers dmg bonus beeing bugged and doing literally nothing for the whole of season 1?
Delaying coldblood after sectec cast 🙏
alpine wraith
nightsalker has had so many problems over the years
i think the dev that finally killed it was so happy
lilac stag
@keen dome am I doing it right?
alpine wraith
i always hated the idea of shadowed finishers
because it made FW weaker
then they made FW go from 80% or was it already 50 to 30
the monsters
lilac stag
Our hero of Skyfury arises
keen dome
that's me inside it
keen dome
I'm leveling a mage 'cos I found a cool mage name
Already found a sickass hat: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170654455973294110/1395732820147572887/image.png?ex=687b84fb&is=687a337b&hm=87a4436bf7f59d52106ea48b26ca4cf2f87a67abccff511cebc32331084e11c0&
Double brain = more intelligence
swift tinsel
It almost has one whole pixel I love it
swift tinsel
The fidelity disparity makes it so much better
swift tinsel
It’s such a vibe and I’m all for it 
keen dome
https://www.wowhead.com/item=175188/expeditionary-cloth-hood#same-model-as For alliance, it looks like this
Which is, you know. Perfectly normal.
https://www.wowhead.com/item=175220/expeditionary-cloth-hood And the Horde version...
swift tinsel
Maybe I finally level Enhancedman instead of just using it for a name reservation
keen dome
Whoever uploaded that screenshot to wowhead is a hero
swift tinsel
Also have Davestalker in my back pocket
keen dome
Second rogue
swift tinsel
The Dave in my guild might have second thoughts tho
runic trail
Is your guild full of Dave's?
lilac stag
just me and my orc skull hat
I went Felly to support your DH leveling
swift tinsel
One actual Dave but I’m the only sneaky Dave
keen dome
I went Felly to support your DH leveling
Hell yeah
I've decided to save the DH for Remix, on the off chance they give us Velf DH's
swift tinsel
Actually I think there’s one other max level rogue in guild but it’s someone’s PvP alt that only does arena
keen dome
Brave of them
lilac stag
ngl I hate leveling. kinda just want to do the boost
swift tinsel
Dudes an arena monster
keen dome
It takes no time thankfully. Just slam timewalking and do questing on DF between
Should be done in a few hours
swift tinsel
Also one of the nicest humans ever
runic trail
Just smash out some time walking, the speed is wild at the moment
swift tinsel
He’s Canadian so that might be part of it
lilac stag
i hope so. no real aoe atm kinda blows
keen dome
Also one of the nicest humans ever
I know two extremely good pvpers and both are absolute gems haha
fleet wharf
ngl I hate leveling. kinda just want to do the boost
this week has lot of nice boost for lvling fwiw
runic trail
It takes no time thankfully. Just slam timewalking and do questing on DF between
I just levelled a survival hunter but I'm dumb and went, 'nah, we level through outland chromie time only'
keen dome
Haha
I did my Warrior 10 - 80 in under 6 hours before the winds buff just doing timewalking
runic trail
No dungeons at all because... I'm dumb
lilac stag
this week has lot of nice boost for lvling fwiw
ye
keen dome
I imagine this mage is gonna go faster
swift tinsel
I know two extremely good pvpers and both are absolute gems haha
It’s a trend I’ve noticed with a lot of the ones I’ve met, none of the weird sweatlords
fleet wharf
I think I'll finish out my DH cause that's the last one I dont have at 80
keen dome
It’s a trend I’ve noticed with a lot of the ones I’ve met, none of the weird swe...
ye. In my experience the absolute incredible, top tier players are always really nice, approachable people.
fleet wharf
Dungeons as DPS is pain and suffering. such long queues
lilac stag
not at 7am lol
keen dome
touché
alpine wraith
yea has to be 3 am so the unclean are up
fleet wharf
actually what do you guys play for alts? I could use some inspiration rn
keen dome
Someday blizz will tear the barriers between regions down and we'll be able to group with everyone
alpine wraith
but 7 am is working hours dog
alpine wraith
actually what do you guys play for alts? I could use some inspiration rn
arcane mage or better sub
swift tinsel
7am is when I get out of bed to feed the cats then scramble to work by 8 lol
alpine wraith
also arms warr and feral
keen dome
I wanna do AotC pugging that has people from all around the world. It'd be so cool
fleet wharf
I think on assa channel I heard one of the guys say feral is easier than assa and I was very confused
alpine wraith
feral is very simple now
flat wyvern
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fleet wharf
there seem to be so many buffs to manage though, do share your wisdom
swift tinsel
Proc bloodtalons, bleed
keen dome
I really like guardian if you go druid
lilac stag
7am is when I get out of bed to feed the cats then scramble to work by 8 lol
they're getting fed at 5am. have to get everyone out early since the older girl has border collie collapse (basically heat strokes)
alpine wraith
only important things is snapshot with tiger fury and blood talons
but that is like something you learn in 1 hour
fleet wharf
alright I'll try feral again with this screenshot now
fleet wharf
also arms warr and feral
what's the appeal of arms?
swift tinsel
Big bonks
lilac stag
execute and big bonks
alpine wraith
yea execute is cool
lilac stag
non arthitic enducing gameplay
swift tinsel
Very satisfying visuals
keen dome
Arms is so much fun
fleet wharf
non arthitic enducing gameplay
I'd get that coming from outlaw, but sub feels pretty relaxing to play, no?
keen dome
Yeah, it is
swift tinsel
Arms is a lot steadier
alpine wraith
just need to use brain
delicate gulch
I have a question about nimble flurry, we call it a bug that shadow blades shadow dmg doesn't get through nimble flurry. But have The devs confirmed that It's a bug? Me and a friend is having a discussion about it and as he says, The text for nimble flurry doesn't say that shadow dmg should get through, only normal damage goes through nimble flurry!
Thanks in advance!
lilac stag
sub is fine. fury is um yeah. it's fury
swift tinsel
Fury is a whackamole spec
lilac stag
you have to be very careful with fury keybinds
fleet wharf
sub is all planning
so I'm guessing arcane also feels like a lot of pre-planning? any other "planning" classes because that's what I really like about sub
fleet wharf
I tried fury in one lfr raid, I think ovinax, and decided I did not want to play it because I'd break my table and keyboard sooner or later
swift tinsel
And they play pretty straightforward
There are weird barrage conditions but they all make sense
hazy breach
I have a question about nimble flurry, we call it a bug that shadow blades shado...
A. Shadow damage does get cleaved by nimble flurry with shadowed finishers and gloomblade (but at a bugged reduced rate)
B. The interaction we would expect is that the nimble hits would proc shadow blades
swift tinsel
Basically boils down to “barrage if you can get back to full charges or 2/4”
hazy breach
But yes id say a spell that says "Your attacks do 20% more damage" not increasing the damage of my attack is unintended
fleet wharf
Basically boils down to “barrage if you can get back to full charges or 2/4”
so what you're saying is arcane feels more reactive than pre-planned?
swift tinsel
Yeah
Esp in aoe with orb barrage
Bc it’s like shadowcraft refunds
But you can get 20 in a row sometimes
Arcane has way more procs to interact with than sub
fleet wharf
interesting. But yea, I guess I can give feral and arms a shot, anything else you guys think could be fun to mess around with?
swift tinsel
Also my guess with nimble is they can’t figure out how to make it so blades isn’t ‘double dipping’ ex. a melee hit procs a blades dmg event and nimble hit and the nimble hit procs a blades event
keen dome
interesting. But yea, I guess I can give feral and arms a shot, anything else yo...
I like Guardian druid a lot. Very simple, very sturdy, very bear
Everything being AoE, shooting lasers, etc
fleet wharf
Bro if I could tank I'd definitely do it, but I just flop over dead every time I try tanking
keen dome
Haha, valid
swift tinsel
Or move convolutedly, ex. melee hit procs a blades event and nimble hit, which procs a blades event which procs a nimble hit so I’d imagine it’s a nightmare coding-wise
To keep it from chaining
hazy breach
Well ye it obviously shouldnt be flurried AND work on flurry
But either option would work
Anything is better than it not interacting at all with blades
(like secret technique did for over a year)
swift tinsel
For sure, I can just see why fixing it would be a shitty mess
But ye obv should not flurry both
But if they do fix I’d hope it’s nimble proccing blades and not the other way around
hazy breach
Well if its that way around you would BP and it would flurry of each individual hit 
slate marlin
sounds goated
swift tinsel
I’m all for crashing world servers
slate marlin
for the 4 hours it would last on na servers
hollow cobalt
!opener
tribal blade
Well if its that way around you would BP and it would flurry of each individual ...
hm this actually sounds sick
north schooner
Or move convolutedly, ex. melee hit procs a blades event and nimble hit, which p...
They already use multiple spell ids for abilities, they could have spell id for flurried SB which doesn't itself proc flurry. Then again, if you take NF literally, it lists 4 specific spells to only flurry and SB isn't one of them. A shadowed evis is still an evis with a different spell id and damage school, SB is its own spell. This is one of the cases where having more clear tooltips would make it obvious whether it's intended or not (and if it's intended it's kinda dumb)
swift tinsel
They already use multiple spell ids for abilities, they could have spell id for ...
Yea imo the easiest way to do it is just add nimble to the list of spells that blades procs from
And keep blades off the list of spells that flurry
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
swift tinsel
But what we think is easy is probably unnecessarily difficult for blizz to pull off bc blizz
lilac stag
the difficult part is sitting down to look at it
north schooner
if they think that SB flurrying would be too strong it could even be done at a reduced rate. But NF has been a failed design considering it cannot keep with BP at the target count where it is designed for (and SB widens the gap because it does proc on BP)
which also begs the question as to why NF was buffed less proportionally to BP
swift tinsel
just chuckin spaghetti at the wall
north schooner
I hope for midnight they will rethink the whole talent. Either remove it entirely or reduce the target count but increase damage to make it a clear winner. Rn it misleads players
slate marlin
not intuitive at all that nf hits 7 targets but u bp earlier than that
lilac stag
I hope for midnight they will rethink the whole talent. Either remove it entirel...
the entire spec misleads/confuses most players. very little is intuitive to anyone trying the sepc for the first time. it's rediculous
north schooner
agreed
I don't think that's always a problem necessarily, but when it's because of clunkiness then they need to adapt how some parts of the spec function
tribal blade
youtube is hellbent on spamming me with ads about banking and trading when i have 0 interest in it whatsoever and keep trying to personalize my ads by giving feedback on what i don't want to see
can someone explain what trading a prediction means
because this sounds like gambling, but it's trading?
i don't understand
tribal blade
https://www.reddit.com/r/uBlockOrigin/comments/1itw1bz/end_of_support_for_ubo_on...
stop trying to dox me kangaroo man
fleet wharf
isnt that just tldr: go firefox?
north schooner
yes but that has been the case 25 years now 
fleet wharf
there was a period between like 2009 ~ 2011 where firefox was dogshit, but since they fixed their shit, I think it's been my preferred browser
north schooner
I don't remember having major issues even in that period but it has definitely improved significantly since (and chrome got worse)
void ocean
i switched to firefox a few months ago too when they killed all those add blockers
keen dome
I use Ublock origin lite and it works fine
fleet wharf
yea, I can't imagine browsing without adblockers
void ocean
I can, just take the phone 😄
runic trail
I can, just take the phone 😄
Netguard adblock works great, and newpipe/revanced for YouTube
fleet wharf
but can't you also have adblockers on your phone? p sure I have it working on my phone too
void ocean
but can't you also have adblockers on your phone? p sure I have it working on my...
shouldnt be working for apps
but i might be wrong
fleet wharf
oh that might be it. I barely use any apps on my phone
yea, for that you prolly need something like a pi hole
void ocean
yea but... im a bit suspicious when it comes to installing new apps
runic trail
Also you can add a DNS level adblock which gets a fair few things
fleet wharf
just accept quadrillion ads just like the appmakers want
runic trail
just accept quadrillion ads just like the appmakers want
Never
void ocean
i killed all cookies and data gathering so I laugh from time to time when i get some bs adds
runic trail
i killed all cookies and data gathering so I laugh from time to time when i get ...
I'm running a de-googled custom ROM so, I'm chilling
void ocean
or adds for apps I already have installed
like dude u donmt have to sell it to me, im there already
fleet wharf
speaking of annoying ads, winaerotweaker is a really nice tool to get rid of ads on your OS
runic trail
Imagine having ads on your OS
void ocean
dafuq
fleet wharf
yea, i'm still on windows. I might start dualbooting linux soon
void ocean
im also on windows but where do u get ur ads
runic trail
Imagine paying for an operating system and the fuckers still have the nerve to data harvest and force ads on you
fleet wharf
like on all sorts of shit
and they don't take no for an answer
it's always, yes/we'll bother you in 2 days
runic trail
I've been full Linux for too long now, I'm in too deep to go back
void ocean
u probably left some of the shit turned on
fleet wharf
i mean that tool just makes it easier to perma turn of annoying shit, so take a look and make sure settings all look good, and if they do, you can just delete it afterwards
runic trail
u probably left some of the shit turned on
I shouldn't have to go through every option with a fine tooth comb to avoid getting fucked
void ocean
i was pondering the possibility of swapping to Ubuntu at least
runic trail
Its pretty solid for games now. There's a website called protondb where you can check user compatibility reports
But most games just work
clever delta
cant log into ptr whole day 😦
runic trail
whats the situation with drivers n stuff
AMD is solid, not ran nvidia in a while but that ran fine. Third party peripherals mostly work but it depends on how specialised it is
brisk onyx
void ocean
AMD is solid, not ran nvidia in a while but that ran fine. Third party periphera...
i just googled this about my graphic card https://askubuntu.com/questions/1464468/does-the-nvidia-rtx-4070-have-drivers-for-ubuntu-22-04
i dont like what i see 😄
runic trail
But yeah its just an apt install command to get drivers apparently, I think Ubuntu might give you an option to install proprietary drivers on install but don't quote me on that
(I'll also shill for endeavourOS, its arch but with an easier install method and some pre-configured things)
glacial wind
How much of subtelty rogue damage is physical or i suppose how important is it we play with a monk in m+?
fleet wharf
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
glacial wind
Thank you!
fleet wharf
Warr, skyfury take priority for m+
swift tinsel
skyfury 
lilac stag
void ocean
that looks impractical
hazy breach
How much of subtelty rogue damage is physical or i suppose how important is it w...
Roughly half
glacial wind
Roughly half
ty
wheat edge
strictly talking about raids, is there a situation where replacing my normal secret tech bind with this would be a mistake?
hazy breach
If you want to hold blades but still do a dance
On vexie holding blades for intermission or something like that
But mostly it doesnt matter
wheat edge
hmm okay fair
fleet wharf
How are you using CB?
wheat edge
on 2nd tech during cds
fleet wharf
I know, I personally found it easier to have another macro that has cb+sec tech
wheat edge
so I do have tech bound to that 
wheat edge
I know, I personally found it easier to have another macro that has cb+sec tech
yeah but I dont wanna take the dps loss of CBing first tech!
fleet wharf
I'm not telling you to do that, you were asking bout replacing sec tech bind with that, so just wanted to make sure you had the cb usage covered, haha.
wheat edge
fair fair 😄
lilac stag
you have sectech seperate and then your cd sectech as a second
sub is basically anti macro
wheat edge
you have sectech seperate and then your cd sectech as a second
yeah that was kinda what I had but was thinking about replacing the normal one with the blades
lilac stag
no reason to
wheat edge
yeah I am just new to the opener and compared to how slow the assa one is since everything is on gcd its kinda messing me up but might aswell learn correctly
swift tinsel
would recommend having them on binds that are comfy to press either together or in very quick succession
void ocean
lilac stag
yeah I am just new to the opener and compared to how slow the assa one is since ...
shortcuts in learning just make more work down the road to unlearn and fix
void ocean
/cast [known:Cold Blood, mod:lshift] Cold Blood;
/cast [spec:3]Secret Technique;
here, this is how u macro cb and sec tech
carmine portal
thats why i used WA to put the opener as a huge JPEG in combat haha
the sooner it's burned into the back of my eyes the better
lilac stag
fleet wharf
you guys don't use shift buttons for normal keybinds?
wheat edge
shortcuts in learning just make more work down the road to unlearn and fix
yeah idk I think my inital problem was making my cd binds on assa weird
and then every spec after that I try to put them on the same and it feels weird
carmine portal
Shift, ALt and Ctrl are for Bars 2-3-4
void ocean
naah
lilac stag
sod = shiv
Dance = kb
Dm = flag
void ocean
mouse bind enjoyer
fleet wharf
Yea but then you need a mmo mouse
void ocean
i have it
carmine portal
stopped using mousebinds, feels like my mousehand freezes up too much as I play a lot of shooters on the side
void ocean
19 button redragon baby
carmine portal
Hate not having that hand 100% fluid
wheat edge
sod = shiv
Dance = kb
Dm = flag
yeah but the assa ones are on GCD, so I have them on shift 1,2,3 and then you press them in a slow sequence and it feels nice, but it feels horrible to press the same binds on off gcd stuff for some reason
swift tinsel
I have two mouse thumb buttons and the middle button and that's enough for me lol
fleet wharf
I feel shift+mouse buttons are also pretty useful
void ocean
Hate not having that hand 100% fluid
ur hand is fluid?
swift tinsel
also use ctrl/alt+mouse scroll up/down for marks
void ocean
mine is in solid state
carmine portal
no mine is gloopy
Makes a horrible mess
They designed a waterproof mouse sensor just for me
wheat edge
so this is what I have on sub now which feels kinda nice
lilac stag
make cb sec sht 3
void ocean
They designed a waterproof mouse sensor just for me
u sure thats the reason
carmine portal
YES 100% no other reason I am sure for certain
swift tinsel
I really wanna get one of the latticed Glorious mice but that bitch would get clogged with cat hair SO fast
but they're really nice and breathable
carmine portal
I watch and play a lot of r6 siege and some of themice those players use is just like
wheat edge
make cb sec sht 3
I have the thing where dance turns into backstab during stealth so I just go 12134 during opener
carmine portal
100% placebo
Mice with holes in them all over, made of like, paper thin materials for lightness
Glass mousepads
lilac stag
I have the thing where dance turns into backstab during stealth so I just go 121...
sectech and cd sectech are in the same spot.
carmine portal
Arm-sleeve
lilac stag
the shift just gives you CB same bind
void ocean
why u want it to be light, i even added weight to mine
wheat edge
the shift just gives you CB same bind
ah I guess yeah
swift tinsel
and the holes are for airflow
carmine portal
It's placebo cope imo
swift tinsel
additionally
swift tinsel
less palm sweat
carmine portal
400DPI king
wheat edge
sectech and cd sectech are in the same spot.
I think my brain is more wiered to press shift-2 tho cause that is my shiv bind -> 2nd tech is like 2nd shiv for kb
void ocean
assa takes 1 brain cell
it shares the one with outlaw
lilac stag
do I hAs MaRk uP?
carmine portal
My gf just went from playing outlaw to ass and can't believe how easy it is haha
swift tinsel
sub is the only spec that has a relatively unique keybind scheme for me
void ocean
My gf just went from playing outlaw to ass and can't believe how easy it is haha
dont say the girl, dont say the girl, dont say the girl...
lilac stag
sub is the only spec that has a relatively unique keybind scheme for me
yeah and its easier to adjust other specs around it instead of adjusting sub to other kbs
swift tinsel
yeah, like that's why I have dance on 3 so I can hit it with sod extremely easily
but having any cd button on 3 for any other spec would be a goofy bind
but having sod on Q which is my usual main cd button makes it seamless
void ocean
my main cd button bind is S
swift tinsel
3 is garrote and pistol shot for the others
wheat edge
but having any cd button on 3 for any other spec would be a goofy bind
I have garrote on 3
swift tinsel
goated
carmine portal
Dmg CD's always on G, Defensives always on V
swift tinsel
mouseover garrote on 3, mouseover rupture on 5
carmine portal
CC always on R
carmine portal
nah Shift 3
void ocean
i have shadowstep on R
carmine portal
Movement spells always on C
carmine portal
Only Q, E (I dont use 1/2) 3, 4, 5 are rotational spells that change between class/spec. The rest are always the same placement.
wheat edge
idk I just need to prog a boss on sub and the rotation will be honed in
swift tinsel
BS/Strike 1, Evisc 2, Dance 3, Step 4, Rupture 5, Sod Q, Kick E, Flag G, Blades shift+middle mouse, BP F, storm MB2
void ocean
my finishers/dumpers r on mouse wheel up
swift tinsel
G used to be SnD now that's alt+mwd
void ocean
evis/envenom/frost strike
carmine portal
ring finger to 1 feels SO fatiguing, ever since I changed to Q/E instead of 1/2 (changed like 10 years ago) stopped getting any qrist fatigue
swift tinsel
F is always aoe finisher
wheat edge
yeah my big problem was having ER on 1 and snd on 2 and then they removed those so I put feint and a 2nd shiv bind there
swift tinsel
I think ER was shift+R bc that was my cov abilities bind
now shift+R is cb sectech
soon to be not that
might just become CB/Tea
void ocean
/cast [nostance,mod:lshift,known:Shiv] Shiv;
/cast [nostance, mod:lctrl] Shuriken Toss;
/cast [stance, mod:lshift] Backstab;
/cast [stance,mod:lctrl,known:Shiv]Shiv;
/cast [stance, nomod] Shadowstrike; Backstab
this is what i have one 1
void ocean
but its not rly
carmine portal
I would fatfinger/fuck so much shit up if I had any binds like that
Shift/Ctrl/Alt are seperate bars
void ocean
basically if im not in stealth or SD when i press it its backstab
carmine portal
in that order
void ocean
wait so you have shiv bound to shift 1 and also ctrl 1
ye, had to change during stance this season when we added backstab as first builder in dance
for minmax
carmine portal
how much of a dps increase is the backstab?
fleet wharf
for danse stacking right? like .5%
void ocean
how much of a dps increase is the backstab?
think it was like 0.5%
but im a minmax whore
fleet wharf
I dunno, .5% is the thresold for me to bother about these shit
void ocean
tho sub rota wasnt rly that challenging this season so i kinda welcomed it
swift tinsel
ye I usually look at how disruptive something is vs the gain
void ocean
comparing to the last time i played in as dust build on Smold, its a fckin walk in the park
carmine portal
ye I usually look at how disruptive something is vs the gain
This for me
swift tinsel
usually end up going for the optimization
fleet wharf
with the macro it doesn't feel that disruptive
swift tinsel
nah not at all imo
void ocean
ye I usually look at how disruptive something is vs the gain
true... e.g. when Hacha was cooking when Danse Macabre came out for the firt time, i swore i wont do any of that no matter how big dps increase is 😄
carmine portal
Somewhere down the line macros like that have to cause issues, for me the less variance there is in things like that the better I play. Everything has its place and that's that
I only have macros that stop mistakes (like SoD doubletap)
swift tinsel
I coached myself away from spamming button presses a while back
carmine portal
I come from a world where I had shit internet all my life, so the buttonspam is baked into my being from 2006
swift tinsel
I had a really clicky temp keyboard for a while so that was motivation lol
fleet wharf
isn't there symbol of death macro that stops you spamming though
swift tinsel
!sod
wicked joltBOT
Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs
void ocean
there is
carmine portal
isn't there symbol of death macro that stops you spamming though
Thats the one I mean
swift tinsel
ye
fleet wharf
yea, why coach yourself when you can macro it out
carmine portal
BUT if you for whatever reason need to be able to use it twice in a row
void ocean
what if blizz bans macros
carmine portal
Then you have it
fleet wharf
I have another bind for symbols if I need to use it twice in a row
swift tinsel
I try to limit unnecessary button presses for both abilities and movements, idk
fleet wharf
and if blizz bans macros, I quit the game ezpz
carmine portal
I try to limit unnecessary button presses for both abilities and movements, idk
That IS the way to go tbh
swift tinsel
have some literal freakazoids in guild who legit never stop moving
fleet wharf
i think clean inputs are overrated
carmine portal
I am still REALLY bad at the classic Melee Left/Right step spam
swift tinsel
it gets annoying when it comes to baiting certain mechanics
carmine portal
Years of MOBAS rotted my brain, low APM means mistakes
Yeah I agree, it's a horrible habit
molten citrus
hmge wonder what word moroes tagged
the one before 'asses'
swift tinsel
ohhhh
I could see it being flagged ig
wasn't aware it was potentially a problematic word
'hyperactive'
there
wheat edge
Years of MOBAS rotted my brain, low APM means mistakes
Same
carmine portal
I play sup/jungle mostly so im ALWAYS checking other lanes and whats going on
swift tinsel
moba camera movement is why I could never get into league
I'm happy to spectate lol
carmine portal
REAL players use middle mousebutton to micro move camera
Middle mouse and drag is like
What elevated my league gameplay
means I can always keep my cursor by wherever my champ is
swift tinsel
I look at it like any other sports thing
there are people who are really, really good at it and watching them is where I derive my enjoyment
is spectator mode still a thing?
used to chill and watch matches in the hub
void ocean
same
carmine portal
Was removed years ago, ppl absolutely hated the removal of it
swift tinsel
played a bit of Talon and Chogath but learned quickly that league wasn't the kind of game for me to play
void ocean
i remember there was a feature when they would publish high elo games in client so u could just pick one
carmine portal
I OTP in the jungle so it was so nice to be able to find and easily watch the other OTPs via client
swift tinsel
I'd watch him and Voyboy
void ocean
I remember when Alliance was strong
swift tinsel
sometimes DanDihn
void ocean
Shook, Froggen, Tabz Nyph Wickd
i liked watching Imacutiepie
man i remember when dyrus retired
i almost cried with him 😄
void ocean
guy had like easily 180k ppl watching a stream
then u switch to wow stream where the best rogue has like 2k tops
swift tinsel
raise your dongers
alpine wraith
most rogues quit streaming too for pvp
think some are left but i dont even know them
carmine portal
Im ngl i've never watched a rogue player anything, stream or YT
void ocean
back when i was a pvp player i watched Pika and Whaaz
carmine portal
First I've ever watched was a Shindigg vid like, 2 days ago
swift tinsel
I watched Reckful a ton back in cata
void ocean
considering im from EU, watching Pika is not rly the best ofr sleep schedule 😄
alpine wraith
i used to talk with athene and reckful a bit
carmine portal
Funnily Athene is a League player not a WoW player to me
swift tinsel
was a mod in Bajheera's stream many moons ago
carmine portal
I played a lot during the peak of his item
swift tinsel
like supremely early days
void ocean
shame i got permabanned from the league back in 2017.
carmine portal
ruh roh
carmine portal
I'm a league lover, still one of my most consistently played games
void ocean
we saw that
carmine portal
haha
void ocean
tbh Lol would fit my nowadays schedule far better than wow
considering i have a need to game only during fridays and saturday afternoons
carmine portal
I'm very competitive so League and R6 cover that basis, WoW is my forever game, I RP, I M+ and casually do HC
I always have and always will
void ocean
and ofc not playing a game for 2 weeks when i feel like it is also desirable
prog raiding when i have to be there every week twice over work days feels harder and harder to pull 😄
lilac stag
was a mod in Bajheera's stream many moons ago
Hit ‘em with the flex
carmine portal
I've never consistently watched one WoW creator tbh, even though I dont play them anymore Rust and OSRS have been my highest hours watched every year
lilac stag
wow is boring to watch
swift tinsel
yeah usually you hope the personality carries the content
bc wow content itself is not enteratining for the most part
swift tinsel
I'll watch mdi watch party streams if its JB
fleet wharf
what's the appeal of MDI? it feels so long
swift tinsel
bc he's funny as fuck
carmine portal
me watching brewmaster M+ pull min-maxing
void ocean
i should start streaming delves
swift tinsel
previous mdi speedrun style was interesting to see what strats people would come up with
fleet wharf
yea, but that got axed in favor or GP style
bleak night
this version of mdi is significantly more interesting
carmine portal
i should start streaming delves
i wont watch them but do it
keen dome
Just wait until my race to world first aotc entirely via pugs within this specific criteria takes off
swift tinsel
TGP style is just grindy
void ocean
i wont watch them but do it
maybe bathtub delves
carmine portal
TRUE
bleak night
previous mdi was one team wiping and then you spending 30 minutes watching a key thats already been decided
fleet wharf
The class bans could be interesting, but honestly I dont think its all that fun to watch 4 teams play the exact same comp
carmine portal
hottub delve streams when?
fleet wharf
this one got lucky with a great finish, but I can't imagine that continuing to be the case in future MDI/TGP
swift tinsel
idk I liked the stakes of the previous mdi version
was a bit annoying having one dominant team for so long though
fleet wharf
It is a shame how much of a gulf exists between playing wow and watching someone else play wow
void ocean
well game is too complex to catch everything with naked eye
carmine portal
was a bit annoying having one dominant team for so long though
Format changes seldom help that tho, can't jelp one team simply having better players/strategy always
like lowkey I'd love to see some random team win RWF but it's not possible anymore
carmine portal
well game is too complex to catch everything with naked eye
That's why I really love pull breakdowns, nuance is everything when it comes to perfecting a spec
fleet wharf
Just more competitive teams would be great, but I dunno if Method will be anywhere near Echo
carmine portal
There's just too much money invested in the big 3, no one will ever compete really
fleet wharf
I feel there's enough desire/effort being made by the chinese teams, but with them being 2 days behind on patch schedule, I don't see a world where they can win
not to mention them being way behind skillwise atm too
carmine portal
Eh, desire and effort only go so far when these big teams have people awake whilst the players sleep minmaxing W/A's, analysing pulls and strategies of other teams, the probably 100 people working behind the scenes on it all
fleet wharf
more analysts don't necessarily mean better output, but yes, I do agree the support staff difference is massive, as are their pool of helpers to help them fill out and run splits smoothly
but on that last point, I think chinese teams might have an edge
bleak night
chinese guilds dont struggle with ilvl
they struggle with taking hundreds of pulls per boss
vale pine
chinese usually brute force bosses even more than european/american
fleet wharf
I'm kind of torn, I want to keep rooting for Echo, but I also want method to do well, but not beat Echo if that makes any sense?
swift tinsel
I feel compelled to root for the home team but Max irks me
fleet wharf
I might not be his biggest fan, but I feel what he's done and achieved is really impressive
swift tinsel
Shak + Firedup are a goated duo
swift tinsel
yeah it def translates to a better watching experience
void ocean
i miss watching jpc during rwf
id usually rotate between kush, jpc, perfecto and exile
void ocean
i guess when he graduates from harvard
swift tinsel
I heard rumors yeah
void ocean
cool
bleak night
he did everything there is to do in osrs so back to wow
lilac stag
shadowjpriestc
swift tinsel
bring back the conetrick
sullen hare
I usually watch daizer because I used to raid with him and he's a good dude
opal basalt
tepid trellis
i watch exile cuz i yap with him
tender granite
why did ben stop participating?
dry plank
I watch only kush. His streams are fun
tepid trellis
why did ben stop participating?
after first tier in Dragonflight
lilac stag
wtf does Enhance look and sound so good 
tender granite
part of me feels like shaman in general was long overdue for some tlc though
swift tinsel
went from a shit convoluted mess to what they have now, it's kinda remarkable lol
oh it was for sure
tender granite
yeah
hollow spear
Aren't they still paper though?
lilac stag
the audio fx for the attacks are rediculous
swift tinsel
chain sunders tho
you feel like you're weilding a gigaton hammer breaking the world
its so cool
tender granite
after first tier in Dragonflight
yeah i remember him quitting, was just curious about why he quit. just being a little nosy
swift tinsel
enh is one spec where pretty much every button you press you can feel
which is super neat
tender granite
yeah, i wish more specs could enjoy that quality
lilac stag
Aren't they still paper though?
everything feels paper compared to sub. WQ at 73 feels ok
tepid trellis
yeah i remember him quitting, was just curious about why he quit. just being a l...
he crashed out over blizz nerfing raszageth while liquid was asleep
and echo killed it during that
tender granite
he crashed out over blizz nerfing raszageth while liquid was asleep
i see, thanks for sharing
tepid trellis
p3 had an insane dps check before enrage
blizzard turbo nerfed it
and echo killed it a few pulls later
alpine wraith
yea the enrage was real
the room got tiny
and you had some secs where everything was full of thunder
hazy breach
blizzard turbo nerfed it
The unfortunate Christmas nerf
hazy breach
enh is one spec where pretty much every button you press you can feel
Imagine if every eviscerate felt as good to press as execute does on my troll warrior
hollow spear
Dunno what the problem is, I feel a lot when I play sub
swift tinsel
ugh that would be amazing, we get a lil extra spinny for coup and thats the best they can do
hollow spear
A lot of despair when I press backstab every five seconds
swift tinsel
like imagine if sectech felt like a 1min base cd ability
hollow spear
That would be great
hollow spear
Some omega cloud of purple
alpine wraith
Imagine if every eviscerate felt as good to press as execute does on my troll wa...
rogue needs a cool SFX and VFX guy
just kidnap him from somewhere
idk
vestal escarp
Meant sfx
vale pine
Imagine if every eviscerate felt as good to press as execute does on my troll wa...
would be nice
graceful osprey
I will always advocate for classic sound effects. The backstabs just sounded sooo good
tender granite
like imagine if sectech felt like a 1min base cd ability
I feel like a lot of specs currently suffer from this phenomenon and it's an interesting thought experiment to divine why
There's this constant push/pull about making your CDs feel like a moment vs getting to push them more often
You see it with fire mages and combust, right
swift tinsel
honestly I think rogue is in the minority when it comes to spell effects because ours are extremely plain compared to other melee
caster effects are different because they're pretty flashy by design
tender granite
Oh sorry I misunderstood, I thought you were talking about how sectech didn't feel impactful because of damage, not because of visual effects
swift tinsel
no just visually/sfx wise
like if you just saw the spell effect you'd never guess its our hardest hitting spell
tender granite
Right, I agree completely with that
swift tinsel
or one we base our rotation around
left ledge
I think they just don’t want rogue to have anything cool looking
tender granite
Can you point to an example of a visually appealing cooldown ability that another melee class has access to that we can compare between?
left ledge
They literally went out of their way to make flag look like nothing
tender granite
They literally went out of their way to make flag look like nothing
They did the same thing with sectech shadow clones, didn't they?
left ledge
They did the same thing with sectech shadow clones, didn't they?
Yeah sectec is basically animationless
It’s not just animations mb
swift tinsel
Can you point to an example of a visually appealing cooldown ability that anothe...
breath of sindragosa, demolish, exterminate, rising sun kick/whirling dragon punch
lilac stag
the only sound fx I hear on rogue is fient. Kekw
left ledge
I think every other melee has pretty satisfying animations
swift tinsel
yeah
left ledge
And vfx/sfx
swift tinsel
like we talked about earlier enh is loaded with cool stuff
like every ability
eye beam, blade dance
for dh
left ledge
Yeah top ones are prob enh and monk
tender granite
Yeah the big cd that comes to mind for me is ascendance
left ledge
Dh up there too
tender granite
that one is really cool
swift tinsel
rogue doesn't really have anything to compare
despite having the ability pool to have some really cool stuff
glacial kraken
They literally went out of their way to make flag look like nothing
Shadowlands Cov abilities for rogue were actually so evil compared to like every other class in the game, as far as vfx are concerned
swift tinsel
the sectech tooltip says you spawn shadow clones, but the clones never actually appear
kekw
lilac stag
I genuinely lost tract of time. Nearly 75 now. Hahah
swift tinsel
should just change the tooltip to say you have a delayed fart reaction
tender granite
I do wonder why rogue's animations were toned down so much
sectech was genuinely cool when it did the actual clones of your character, I can't see why they would take that away
swift tinsel
didn't they disappear after the s3 tier set
I miss my lil rupture buddy
not really
but kinda
tender granite
I think they just don’t want rogue to have anything cool looking
it's hard not to subscribe to this idea the more you think about it
it's weird because at one point I think rogue animations were generally fine, or at least on the right track, but they've actually been paring away components that made them fine and now the abilities are left looking pretty anemic
glacial kraken
it's weird because at one point I think rogue animations were generally fine, or...
playing my ww monk rn, and I get like 500 cool visuals on all my basic stuff
its night and day difference