Bannerman would be a rlly sick warrior spec
#subtlety
carmine portal
keen dome
!backstab
wicked joltBOT
Backstab/Shadow Dance Macro:yaml #Showtooltip Shadow Dance /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow DanceThis will cast Shadow Dance on first key press and Backstab on second key press.
carmine portal
Fuck yeah loved warlock tanking
keen dome
Okay so how's this: Warlock tank but it's an armour made of imps. You are just covered in imps.
proven plover
XD
carmine portal
Shaman: Earth, water, lightning A mix of % dmg reduction, spell reduction and thorns
and maybe an elemental pet at your side all the time that you could command to go and pick up adds or smth?
Like a mobile brewmaster totem
runic trail
I was more thinking of something kind of, built new from the ground up, because a lot of the jank we see nowadays might be to do with building open a 20 year old game
proven plover
and maybe an elemental pet at your side all the time that you could command to g...
Soul link like mechanic where it takes a percentage of your dmg as an elemental Tether link
And u have to Feed it with elemental forces by using abilities
To regenerate him
carmine portal
Simillar to brewmaster stagger healing ur Ox, kinda cool
proven plover
I was more thinking of something kind of, built new from the ground up, because ...
They tried it with project titan
runic trail
They tried it with project titan
I don't know much about that other than it got killed off or something?
carmine portal
Yessir, dead and gone
Unrelated to Wow but am I the only one sad about the Blizz survival game being killed
proven plover
I don't know much about that other than it got killed off or something?
They canceled it yea. It was supposed to be wow2 like you described it
keen dome
Unrelated to Wow but am I the only one sad about the Blizz survival game being k...
I would've really liked to see what it could've been.
carmine portal
Same, survival games are my JAM outside of WoW/League/r6,
got like 2k hours in Dayz, way more in the fallout saga
keen dome
I'm excited for Abotic Factors launch this month
steady dune
How's subs damage looking in comparison to the other specs in raid next patch?
plush roost
Too early to say still there will be more tuning in the next 3 weeks
I doubt they leave ptr tuning as is given the current state of enhance and fdk
fleet wharf
I wasn't following it too closely, are they OP or not functional?
plush roost
90 second cd btw
fleet wharf
seems about right. they should that to our dance next
plush roost
Yep breath having 80% uptime surely nothing wrong here
vestal escarp
rawdogged a cinderbrew without shaman
steel zinc
Yep breath having 80% uptime surely nothing wrong here
The spec rn is busted like hunter spriest
Rogue still dumbster
fleet wharf
Isn't it better to not be busted right now? like there's enough time to fix shit, so being busted now just means you get nerfed which means you might be shit when the patch launches
there's my mega copium
fleet wharf
I thought frostfire fire mages were pretty good, I guess not
plush roost
Eh could have died idk the details
runic trail
Isn't it better to not be busted right now? like there's enough time to fix shit...
We learnt from last season. Keep your head low until patch happens
fleet wharf
well I'd argue sub wasn't shit when patch launched, but yea, being busted in ptr didn't seem to have been a net positive at the end
runic trail
well I'd argue sub wasn't shit when patch launched, but yea, being busted in ptr...
Not shit, still got taken down a peg or two though
fleet wharf
let's just pray they fix the bugs. But it seems like with the direction blizz wants to go, we might actually be using goremaw?
fleet wharf
Not shit, still got taken down a peg or two though
very fair
fallow nimbus
Goremaw will never be a thing until strike cost 100 energy
fleet wharf
If they keep making the followup coup stronger, isn't there a breakpoint at which it becomes worthwhile to take maw to make better use of coups?
slate marlin
well its the 1st coup that is doing the 50% extra dmg
you can look it up in detail in the 1st pin
But biggest issue is that maw tries to fix energy, while shadowcraft does it better
vestal escarp
you got one part of that wrong
fleet wharf
Sure, but I was thinking more about the design intentions the devs seem to be going with it, but yea, as it is it won't happen
slate marlin
also hits like a wet noodle for some reason
opal basalt
Yep breath having 80% uptime surely nothing wrong here
letsgoooooo, back to how it was in dragonflight
pliant topaz
If they keep making the followup coup stronger, isn't there a breakpoint at whic...
not sure what goremaw has to do with it really
fleet wharf
Yea, prolly a longshot, but I thought since goremaw makes it easier to use 4p while not in cds, maybe math might work out for it to be worthwhile?
pliant topaz
most likely not. 2 issues. 1) outside of cds damage matters very very very little and the cadence you cast finishers (atleast in single target/ low target cleave) is not very often. so trying to push more damage in that time doesnt really make much sense.
and 2) goremaw means you are losing another capstone talent most of which often buff your dance windows
so youre giving up things that buff when you do damage, to "help" things that buff when you dont do damage
but again its all tuning, if they buff goremaw to do 4 times moree dmaage then u take it.
but for now. its a meme
keen dome
I hope it remains one
In fact, I wish Goremaw's a very nice removed from the game. What a silly talent node.
pliant topaz
some people liked the nostalgia of it i guess. and it was a nice useless filler to help fill out the talent tree without thinking too much about what to put in there
I still think id rather remove like 30% of the tree and just put fun stats like +1 aura +2 rizz etc
its less insulting
keen dome
Same
Like i said the other day: replace like, PV, with a node that just makes you shoot fireworks on a crit
Already a more fun node than PV
keen dome
Yeah, it'd own
swift tinsel
No notes
keen dome
Goremaw's Bite: Now a battle pet and he bites
carmine portal
Am i the only one that thinks it's okay for some talents to be bad? Otherwise we're gna end up with the 3 options every 10 levels style talent tree which sucked
pliant topaz
some talents being bad and whats in sub tree are very different
slate marlin
perforated veins exist
keen dome
Assa is a better example of how a talent tree should be.
Sub should be, exclusively, about finisher damage. Everything should be built to buffing, improving or allowing cool finishers. That's our role and identity. Except we have a load of builder things in the tree that are useless because we functionally do no damage outside of cooldowns. So builders aren't really an impactful way to deal damage. It's just pointless node after pointless node
Make 'em shoot fireworks
hazy breach
perforated veins exist
To put into context how bad perforated veins is, if the 50% bonus was ALWAYS active, it still wouldnt be stronger than 1 point of finality
keen dome
north schooner
if a talent is so bad that it's always a bad choice, it's better that they just remove it so noobs don't pick it by mistake
keen dome
If it's so bad it'll never be taken then it's a failure of design and should be examined (see; Shadowheart in the class tree)
vale pine
PV was the talent we asked for a rework before they put it in the tree
merry agate
To put into context how bad perforated veins is, if the 50% bonus was *ALWAYS* a...
Say it aint so!
didnt knew it was this dire man 
vale pine
it just never happend to get a reasonable change
it was bad in SL and did create in best case annoying gameplay
north schooner
If it's so bad it'll never be taken then it's a failure of design and should be ...
optimally yes, but they are unwilling to spend time on those talents, they might as well temporarily delete them. Shadowheart must be bugged anyway there is no way they only intended it to work with stealth not subterfuge/SD. Not that it wouldn't be garbage if it worked as expected
carmine portal
Wait it foesnt count for subter or shadowdance???????
carmine portal
Jesus christ
keen dome
So you get 1 hit of 2% leech per fight with it.
swift tinsel
swift tinsel
Soon we get 20x damage buff to shuriken toss
north schooner
swift tinsel
Grants improved find weakness
tepid trellis
improved depression
swift tinsel
We there already
keen dome
big shuriken toss but it's just a mount
short radish
Grants improved find weakness
honestly if sin rogues get "apply poisons"
why dont we get "applys find weakness"
i hate sin rogues
north schooner
purple poisons
hallucinating poisons which spawn clones (which are pet entities) to damage the enemy
keen dome
BfA's approach to giving all of them distinct identity (or, well, the evoltuion post WoD into BfA) was neat.
keen dome
hallucinating poisons which spawn clones (which are pet entities) to damage the ...
no pet entities. They'll fall down the hole
steel jolt
hallucinating poisons which spawn clones (which are pet entities) to damage the ...
as a warlock player i can assure you that you do not want pets
clever delta
any ptr news for us
north schooner
you don't need to be a lock player to know that pets are garbage
keen dome
sectec's constant issues are in part 'cos of the dumbass shadow clones being pets haha
swift tinsel
Hey akaari is trying her best
keen dome
Akaari should try harder
swift tinsel
Unfortunate that her best is not good at all
keen dome
At least rookery is going away
And we won't have to think about the first boss for a while
north schooner
I think akaari is just tired of having to perform sectecs for all 100 sub rogues out there
swift tinsel
She absorbed the souls of a bunch of other assassins she should give them a chance
slate marlin
Maybe the reason we get nothing is so akaari can finaly take a nap
keen dome
any ptr news for us
what does your heart tell you
north schooner
yuge ptr changes tomorrow 
||(lie)||
swift tinsel
Weāve gotten something pretty much every week so far
ripe flame
i hate sin rogues
Well i love you
swift tinsel
Wait til Thursday
keen dome
Weāve gotten something pretty much every week so far
this week will be nothing
swift tinsel
Then doom
sinful zephyr
5% sectech nerf
north schooner
5% sectech nerf
and 5% assa aura buff
swift tinsel
Crystal ball says something deathstalker-related this week
Hopefully trickster set fix
void ocean
can DS even BE more back
keen dome
Trickster set fix would be good because it'd resolve the biggest current unknown (I.e.,: do we get a working tier set)
north schooner
flurry fix 
slate marlin
Bp buff, tierset nerf, and a new collage for reddit
keen dome
shadow finishers fix (because they delete it)
north schooner
pv replaced with hemorrhage
swift tinsel
Iād think fixing second coup would be priority but who knows
They fixed broken coup the week after last time it was busted
pliant topaz
why dont we get "applys find weakness"
why does bro even still want FW? what purpose does this garbage buff have? just so they can introduce bugs every single patch/tier? FW is a just a meme filler that ties 20 other talents into it for fun so we can fill up the tree cuz having a tree thats 80% empty wasnt acceptable i guess
FW -> 99% uptime, just so i acn get fucked the 1% its not up for fun
short radish
why does bro even still want FW? what purpose does this garbage buff have? just ...
because if theyre going to force it up my ass, i at least want it lubed
pliant topaz
just so shadowed finisher is always bugged
swift tinsel
I want it gone completely
keen dome
Delete FW from the game and put Goremaw's as the first node
north schooner
why aren't you hired yet
keen dome
why aren't you hired yet
because I keep asking for a poison toggle
slate marlin
if i was leveling my rpgue and i had maw as 1st talent i would have never mained rogue
pliant topaz
Hey at least leveling would be smoother 'cos you'd have more finishers to cast!
u know what would help with that? not locking relentless strikes int he middle of nowhere behind 30 levels
swift tinsel
No thatās blades special spot
keen dome
I would say "I think Blades should just be baked into the spec" but I guess it effectively is because you can't not take it
Or, I guess you can but realistically it'll always be taken.
SecTec as the first node, Restless below it. Blades below that. Bam.
clever delta
hc raid experince smile
ripe flame
Hey at least leveling would be smoother 'cos you'd have more finishers to cast!
Monkey paw curls, "fw is now baseline, replaced by goremaws in the talent tree"
swift tinsel
Thereās places to put it where itās still an essential node without it being the second row
Thatās how literally every other spec is besides outlaw
keen dome
Ye
swift tinsel
Usually in the middle of the first gate
north schooner
common rogue dev 
sharp lake
u know what would help with that? not locking relentless strikes int he middle o...
Daily prayer to remove the energy costs from all finishers baseline š
swift tinsel
Relentless where blades is would be like sin getting theirs just as early, I like it
keen dome
You could probably put Double Dance as the first node or something if FW was baseline.
swift tinsel
Venomous*
swift tinsel
Based
pliant topaz
Daily prayer to remove the energy costs from all finishers baseline š
eks dee true remove energy. then remove the spec. we are so back
keen dome
Remove energy and replace it with Void Power (it's energy but purple)
north schooner
you get Void Power but Akaari is the one responsible for restoring it
pliant topaz
anyone here remember the peak innovation they made for sub during DF ptr?
so we got basically fully copy pasted stuff with 0 new things except the 1 banger capstone talent
that u farted smoke
and smelling the farts would reset your step
im not even kidding btw
that was the main capstone of hte tree
what a time
clever delta
armin on killing spree
keen dome
lmao
north schooner
you can't just say the K word
pliant topaz
brittle plinth
Purple backstab and free finishers
sharp lake
thatās what its all about baby
fallow nimbus
The amount of copium here is of the charts. We won't see anything substantial, maybe bugfixes at best
swift tinsel
Nah weāre just the guys on death row talking about what weād do if we got free
No one is expecting anything substantial
sharp lake
my favorite copium is that they have a secret little team in blizzard working on a big fix that we wonāt see for a couple years but the big fix will absolutely rock
north schooner
my favorite copium is that they have a secret little team in blizzard working on...
that one is actually true. It's just permanently 2 years away from <current_day>
ripe flame
!mistakes
wicked joltBOT
Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:
- Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
- Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
- Make sure you always get 8 globals off during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
- If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.
proven plover
Thats assa, we are the left out of picture side character watching
leaden prairie
u say it 3 times Zac gets summoned
hi
fickle mason
Is there any good 1.5min trinkets for us this coming tier? Any of them from dungeons?
fickle mason
Link pls <3?
clever delta
is basically little worse HOC
hazy breach
Theres one from halls of atonment too
However its insanely overtuned and likely to get nerfed before live
The most likely trinket we end up using is unyielding netherprism
clever delta
is the one from halls 90 sec too?
fickle mason
hazy breach
is the one from halls 90 sec too?
Yes
hazy breach
No
clever delta
nah
hazy breach
Cursed stone idol
swift tinsel
Yes
fickle mason
tf its an aoe scaling trinket?
swift tinsel
It gives a wild amount of crit
hazy breach
It just randomly gives way more stats than anything else
fickle mason
Whats the one from the new dungeon?
fickle mason
Found it
So very simple slightly less strong house of cards
nice
710 ilvl 9.2k mastery
swift tinsel
It certainly is a trinket that exists
swift tinsel
Yep, lily sucks
fickle mason
Yeah its decently weaker
hazy breach
Fwiw house of cards kinda suck too
Its below the general stat budget they usually have until you have 3 stacks
hazy breach
But ye once they fix the idol were probably just playing prism
fickle mason
Mhm Mhm
vale pine
trinket tuning for sure will happen ^^
alpine wraith
yea surely
mint swift
Hey
At least it isn't transmitter
keen dome
vestal escarp
the state of trinkets post transmitter made everyone regret transmitter
warm depot
never again will have to to position slightly away from the boss to see the stupid orb
pearl swan
What's the thoughts about double on use with prism
Surely I'm not the only one that loves that idea
vestal escarp
pacemaker š£ļø
pearl swan
Forge prism so fun
hazy breach
I dont see the point compared to just running prism
steel zinc
Yeah its decently weaker
the new lilly trinket is omega bad. At max itemlevel it gives you slightly more mastery then a hoc at 684.
Its just bad
Also all trinkets are all over the place and some you cant even test.
warm depot
whats the forge/prism trinks
alpine wraith
and for giggles put the halls one too
steel zinc
and for giggles put the halls one too
that you cant really test except by looting it
š
steel zinc
*insert 60k crit here*
which is absurd
that trinket is bis for everyone that kinda likes or really likes crit
we kinda like crit so ya
also perfect for our cds
swift tinsel
its def getting nerfed lol
steel zinc
tbh idm if the best trinkets come from m+
swift tinsel
if not thats kinda egregious oversight
sullen hare
how would forge/prism even look like for us? would we use forge on pull and 3:00 and then prism inbetween?
hazy breach
Yeah
hollow spear
hazy breach
Shouldnt be that many other specs that want it over the 2 min one
hazy breach
No its the same
steel zinc
nvm ya
slate marlin
hazy breach
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ghosts-of-kāaresh-development-notes/2119874/10
Heres the actual changes from this week
That arent just some unreadable datamined bunch of garbage
tight sparrow
No sub changed kekw
summer lynx
Did our Dev get tired after posting the few changes from last week lol?
north schooner
he resigned. sorry bro no more changes until they hire someone new
spice matrix
we got the super secret 1 button macro assits change you guys forget?
chrome palm
I canāt take deathstalker anymore please donāt make sin meta for raid prog š
north schooner
wish granted but sub needs to go deathstalker next patch
chrome palm
Please be true
remote eagle
ROGUE
Deathstalker hero talents are now baseline for every class specialisation.
chrome palm
Iāll play outlaw Iāll do anything to not touch deathstalker again
hazy breach
I mean for raid thats definitely true
north schooner
DS added to outlaw too
chrome palm
I like my raid spot thank you
Iām also a rat that plays the good thing for rogue I just hope it is also the fun thing
tepid trellis
I just play sub 
runic trail
For us, our boss kills are dependent on us not eating glue and doing mechanics so, its fine probably
hazy breach
My hope is that they make prism stack up to 18 or 20, so we can skip out on using it on a flag+blades to save for the next one without losing a bunch of stacks
But im not holding my breath
The 2:30 seems pretty intentional
To create more friction
tepid trellis
Only friction they should get is their toilet paper being the shitty cheap one layer type
chrome palm
Sub fun rn so
I like being in dance for the first 45s of the fight with tfd and new tier
brisk onyx
rotten add 0.1s icd
maybe this mean storm will not consume two stacks of rotten at once
chrome palm
rotten add 0.1s icd
where was this?
north schooner
rotten indeed fixed with storm
brisk onyx
where was this?
pyhton script
tropic pier
jagged perch
is sub gonna be the prog spec for rogue next season?
serene notch
it is if you want it to be
runic sequoia
rotten indeed fixed with storm
holy surely every single bug in the game is fixed now
jagged perch
im only asking bc i hope it isnt
runic sequoia
its my prog spec every season
jagged perch
Then donāt play it
but then i get bullied by my guild ;-;
wind canopy
Are they a hall of fame guild?
jagged perch
no
hazy breach
rotten indeed fixed with storm
Definitely not the most impactful bug, but hey we take anything we can get
jagged perch
6/8 m but they want to get CE
wind canopy
Then ignore them because thereās plenty of folks that get CE without forcing their players into specific specs
hazy breach
!bugs
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker
slate marlin
was nimble fixed in any way?
runic sequoia
coup delay shadowcraft/sht refund isnt fixed š¦
north schooner
nimble interaction with SB doesn't seem fixed
short radish
rotten indeed fixed with storm
HOLY SHIT SUB ROGUE IS SO BACK NOW
north schooner
and the tier bonus still seems to apply to the first coup instead of the second
short radish
subrogue will be meta in m+ this season
slate marlin
if they are aware of the rotten bug and fixed it we may get bigger bugfixes
north schooner
it was most likely just the low hanging fruit
hazy breach
Yes lingering is fixed too
brisk onyx
north schooner
finally all sub rogues can go DS just like they wanted
slate marlin
what was lingering bug?
hazy breach
Worked on items and didnt work on sectech
slate marlin
Cant wait for a ds meta (ill rerrol)
hazy breach
Minor fixes are better than no fixes atleast
Hopefully they go on a spree and fix a bunch more, but only time can tell
swift tinsel
crosses all fingers and toes for mark fix
short radish
Hopefully they go on a spree and fix a bunch more, but only time can tell
a bug Killing Spree?
huehuehue
bright elk
Did rogue get a buff?
round latch
on ptr
tribal blade
i invited an old key friend yesterday for a 20
chatted a bit
today queue up for their 20 and don't get invited
i'm kinda done with the key pushing community
swift tinsel
that's pretty shitty
bleak night
lilac stag
i'm kinda done with the key pushing community
tribal blade
haha ty š
lilac stag
Iāve enjoyed your emotional rollercoaster
tribal blade
bro it's horrible
lilac stag
Thereās a distinct parallel with key pushing and what some of my students try to do on a specific piece of agility equipment. They all eventually get to the conclusion you came to.
I was hoping youād see it sooner. You got there eventually.
summer lynx
So, do rogues have a lead dev?
lilac stag
as much as any other class does
summer lynx
fair lol
chrome palm
@tribal blade just tried sub in cinderbrew 
tribal blade
<@146180393941336064> just tried sub in cinderbrew <:uglyassdog:1370509827280867...
haha how bad was it
or how GOOD was it
chrome palm
not very good compared to sin
overall is fine but in ipa wing
feels like you never have cds
kinda bad route though
in comms its probably not that bad
but with pug tank/route quite awful
tribal blade
the way sub does dmg just feels like complete ass in there
chrome palm
nothing lined up with my cds
and wtf are you supposed to do on ipa
that is a dream boss for sin but for sub you just kinda meekly hit the boss
im about to run silent storm for night terrors
in CB
tribal blade
nothing lined up with my cds
bro tell me about it
that was the nightmare the last time i ran cinderbrew as sub
chrome palm
we had a big pull onto buzzbank and everything died before i got to the 2nd dance
tribal blade
and even if sub and sin did identical overall in cinderbrew, sin would still be way better because of the dmg profile
lusty solar
!fuu
wicked joltBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
pliant topaz
bro it's horrible
without you its prob less than 5 sub title pushers then
chrome palm
I believe in my goat
chrome palm
tribal blade
without you its prob less than 5 sub title pushers then
(i hate to break it i'm pushing as sin)
(i'm a traitor)
dry plank
Eleem also pushed as sin no?
tribal blade
Eleem also pushed as sin no?
as mostly sin yeah
bro another person i know isn't inviting me
i fucking hate this game
bleak night
i'd invite you
tribal blade
i'd invite you
aren't you a little cutie patootie
bleak night
cloud rover
this is definitely my last season pushing
*unless Sub Rogue becomes meta
tribal blade
*unless Sub Rogue becomes meta
hha
vale pine
sub rogue will br meta next patch for sure
runic trail
Meta in my heart
mental dune
id be doing sub pushing if i wasnt stuck pugging
past 16s i just gave up and played classic because it was actively counterproductive trying to wait for groups for THAT long
tribal blade
i'm turning the sub channel into my own personal emotional support
keen dome
Same
tribal blade
haha!
keen dome
Blue Proto-drake won't drop and it's awful!!!
Also Jastor's simmed more for me so rip, 682 instead of 683 equipped. What a travesty
void ocean
better ilvl parses tho
tribal blade
Blue Proto-drake won't drop and it's awful!!!
damn i'm sorry
runic trail
Blue Proto-drake won't drop and it's awful!!!
Have you tried sacrificing a farm animal?
keen dome
no way I love animals
mental dune
Also Jastor's simmed more for me so rip, 682 instead of 683 equipped. What a tra...
just run around looking for a CE guild reclearing n raid with them for 3 weeks to get a myth jastor from dinars for 10k more dps that youll replace the week season 3 launches
cloud rover
i'm turning the sub channel into my own personal emotional support
I mean being in the Sub Channel is like seeking for emotional support anyways
keen dome
my bag iLevel is 685 anyway
tribal blade
I mean being in the Sub Channel is like seeking for emotional support anyways
very true!
keen dome
I was contemplating if I wanted to do weekly M+ but there's precisely 1 item that's an upgrade (Crit/versa or crit/mastery I forget) gloves so lmao. Season done.
M0 week 1 drops at 681 Champ 1/8 so it's just gonna be replaced by those
mental dune
are there actually good vers/mastery rings/necklaces?
have not been paying attention
keen dome
Good question
Oh, Priory is back so there's the ring from there
Strong Mast weak Versa one
warm marlin
Vers mast ring from db, very heavy mast/crit neck from raid
keen dome
Nice
carmine portal
When it comes to bosses that have a "weakened" phase, (eg last boss of Rookery) do we save CD's for that phase or simply pray we get something lined up in time?
tepid trellis
u save em
carmine portal
YIPPIE I love this spec 680 DH casting eyebeam whenever he feels like it and doing 5 gajillion dps
(ty)
tepid trellis
like 75% of your dmg all comes from that 16sec window during cds
so having a 100%-200% dmg amp on it
does quite a bit
carmine portal
Yeah makes sense, I imagined that was the way as well
mental dune
sub cranks on that last boss
holding cds and absolutely ripping it apart feels very nice
i imagine at higher keys that is less so the case since it takes so dam long
glacial orbit
in higher keys you throw cds at the shield as long as you know they will be back for the amp phase
mostly the 1m cds like dance and sectec
flag and sb always for amp phase
tribal blade
sub cranks on that last boss
holding cds and absolutely ripping it apart feels v...
sub becomes better on that boss on higher keys
much better
because the time between burns is long enough to get your cds back
mental dune
oh yeah for sure
i saw that assassin --> sub tech
but the fact that on 12s-15s it can be a 1-2 minute fight
but on 19s n 20s n such it just takes SOOOO long feeeeels less great
tribal blade
it feels pretty amazing being sub on the boss because you absolutely nuke the boss
you can guarantee a 3 phase, which is pretty dope
opal basalt
i'm still using CDs wrong on that boss i think, because most of the time my other dps are too lazy to burst the shield down 
but then again, i'm only playing weeklies so it doesnt really matter
mental dune
just use a single dance n its probably all you can do
glacial orbit
ye
mental dune
on weeklies the shield shouuuuuld go down fast enough to where even the 1 dance is even pushing it depending on how long youve got left
mental dune
this is why im learning outlaw now
so i can have a mix of holding cds and absolutely NUKING bosses
and zoomer piano gameplay
tribal blade
the funny part is on a 19 you can send 1 dance and then afk at the end of the shield to delay it breaking for your cds to get back and to build up sht
placid crown
mental dune
dude hell yeah
hyped for more azerite why not
wait so are these assassin and outlaw changes datamined for next week?
like hell yeah more rogue buffs but also nothing for sub š
tight sparrow
Still no subtlety buffs ?
mental dune
beyond the ones from last week to coup (i think?) i havent seen anything no
granted theyre not THAAAAAAAAAT bad in raid i think
just sad coming from someone who just kinda tries to brute force push keys on sub
vestal escarp
That datamine is the old 8% sin got
mental dune
ah ok
i was really surprised at first
like theres no way sin was so undertuned that they needed to get hit with 2 back to back blanket 8% buffs
glacial orbit
dude hell yeah
hyped for more azerite why not
wait so are these assassin and ou...
do you have a link ?
oh nvm
old datamine from the sin aura buff
tepid trellis
dude hell yeah
hyped for more azerite why not
wait so are these assassin and ou...
the assa one is the same as the last week one
and fwiw the azerite shit showing up
its just because they changed the aura
happens all the time
graceful crown
i hated this tier set for sub with dices and rng shit tbh, i think i can try once again sub with this new tier
fallow nimbus
The range set is so much better with that little sound
It gives actual winning feels instead of lose it all gambling addiction
graceful crown
i got tilted too many times in my cd windows when 0 dices got rolled its like, im not getting any tier set buffs
yeah i can have bad luck
haha
mental dune
thats why i dont track it at all š
1 less thing to be pissed about when it doesnt turn out well
hazy breach
Current tier feels like RNG but it isnt
New tier doesnt feel as RNG but its very very much so
vale pine
we keep the current randomness ^^
tribal blade
i feel like a decent chuck of parsing well is gonna be proccing 2p
get god tier rolls and you're cruising
hazy breach
Its not "slightly more RNG", its significantly more random
The old set isnt even that rng, its mostly the theme
vestal escarp
It's all about getting coups early in the dance
So they all fit inside dark shadow
tribal blade
i think most people will enjoy the new tier more
because watching you lose your 8 stack of tier right before cds feels awesome
hazy breach
Just dont track it 
vestal escarp
I totally dont like the gameplay of new 4p
lilac stag
i think most people will enjoy the new tier more
Until they realize whatās going on
runic trail
Until they realize whatās going on <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Counterpoint: double coup fun
lilac stag
Counterpoint: double coup fun
I donāt see adding more spell casts of AoE spells into a ST rotation as fun
runic trail
Its fine that can be fixed
hazy breach
It can ye, in theory
lilac stag
can and will are not the same bruh
In current form itās an overall downgrade imo, and we already had a lackluster theme tier.
bursts just looks better on a chart. Gameplay is worse.
runic trail
At this point I'm just happy to be getting out of undermine
37 mugzee 'reclear' pulls, no kill
lilac stag
That has nothing to do with the quality and gameplay of the tier set 
lilac stag
Pressing twice must be double the fun. Donāt mind layer of shit used for the filler in the coup sandwich.
vale pine
true
hidden lake
Hello guys i'm sorry if that's been talked about already but i have huge freeze when i play subtlety and no other class or spec, i believe it start with the first time i use cold blood + Secret Tech, is it a known issue ?
tribal blade
Until they realize whatās going on <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
lol yes
lilac stag
Hello guys i'm sorry if that's been talked about already but i have huge freeze ...
nope. Likely a you thing. Usually suspects are WA, platter, not clearing wow cache, etc.
tribal blade
Hello guys i'm sorry if that's been talked about already but i have huge freeze ...
try turning off your WAs you use for sub and see if it freezes again
tribal blade
People are just going to play assa again.
most likely yeah
lilac stag
fDK can handle the 45/90 burst in the raid.
tribal blade
outside of early prog
lilac stag
let me off cursed gameplay train
piano opener for assa wasnāt fun but it was the opener. letās piano every set of CDs. amazing. 
vale pine
people would just create a cast sequence every time a opener is too complicated
lilac stag
no reason for the cds sequence to be where it is with stab strike and storm for builders.
itās not intuitive. Itās not a āfrictionā choice. Itās just bad.
void hound
vestal escarp
Unnecessary friction for god knows what reasons
void hound
assa piano was kino honestly
in general, 10.2 assa gameplay was great with envenom chaining
brittle plinth
people would just create a cast sequence every time a opener is too complicated
And then fall apart when it doesn't work because they don't understand why conditions are important
I'm guilty of using one though so I can't say much lol
lilac stag
Piano assa wasnāt even half as bad as UHDK has been with the openers
vestal escarp
I reckon that when udk was playin piano they were gapping everything at inc and topping statistics
lilac stag
Theyāve been playing piano quite often. CN is was bad. Also hilarious what a difference that PI made for getting everything in the opener window vs not.
vale pine
And then fall apart when it doesn't work because they don't understand why condi...
a lot of people have issues after the opener even without a cast sequence, because the "opener" is just a sequence for them you can remember by hard
void ocean
wait, r we hatin or new 4p or what
vagrant fulcrum
people would just create a cast sequence every time a opener is too complicated
I still have my warlocks mop opener macro that I put onto scroll wheel and mashed for like 10 globals
lilac stag
wait, r we hatin or new 4p or what
The gameplay is worse
void ocean
The gameplay is worse
i guess now i have to read what it does
lilac stag
tldr youāre using shuriken storm (or toss) in-between coups and free coup
swift tinsel
shouldn't really be that surprising
void ocean
why not regular builder
swift tinsel
until they change eb
swift tinsel
why not regular builder
potential stack waste
void ocean
oooh
short radish
tldr youāre using shuriken storm (or toss) in-between coups and free coup
how does our timeline keep getting worse
void ocean
but is that actually huge?
lilac stag
how does our timeline keep getting worse
The devs donāt actually play the spec
vale pine
i don't think its the devs
hazy breach
but is that actually huge?
Slightly less than 1%, so not huge no
vale pine
we just find ways to exploit problems
hazy breach
But since you almost always end up with disorienting strikes up inbetween the coups (during blades, which is only when you''d use the storm)
steel jolt
we just find ways to exploit problems
exploit weakness you mean
hazy breach
You'd waste a stack most of the time if you dont
lilac stag
i don't think its the devs
At this point I donāt think they actually play dps warriors, rogue or ww. The ideas are all cooked worse than Lashga
swift tinsel
if you have two builders that specifically don't contribute to EB then they're the obvious choice for builders between coups
hazy breach
And since we have 2p its possible you waste 2 stacks, which feels real bad
vale pine
exploit weakness you mean
we find weakness in their design
swift tinsel
and one of them costs the same as bs
void ocean
fix stack problems by playing DS š
lilac stag
we just find ways to exploit problems
The problems are there because theyāve convoluted every interaction of abilities within the spec.
swift tinsel
ds slowly gaining momentum but still anus gameplay
hazy breach
It just had a monkeypaw bugfix
hazy breach
Lingering now works on sectech, but no longer works on plague damage
swift tinsel
yeah saw it lost item interaction
swift tinsel
and that
vale pine
The problems are there because theyāve convoluted every interaction of abilities...
we always had some min/max problems
pv was for most of its existence a pain to play around
lilac stag
we always had some min/max problems
The spec has had interaction issues for a long time.
theyāve just continued to make them worse
vale pine
think its every spec
lilac stag
nope
vale pine
it just comes down to how far you want to go with optimizations
brittle plinth
What's eb stand for
void ocean
all the way ofc
lilac stag
it just comes down to how far you want to go with optimizations
You can watch RFW try to min max everything in the rotation. Other specs just arenāt nearly this degen.
swift tinsel
general concensus is wanting it to stack to 6-8 to grant stack waste protection
because now there's notable unavoidable waste unless you specifically try to avoid it which is kinda stinky
lilac stag
bad gameplay / feed back loop is just that. bad. no sugar coating it
lilac stag
then they fix toss
swift tinsel
I mean that would be nice from a base hero tree perspective
if eb stacked higher
or just make the 4pc 2nd coup thing a separate buff
fixes it too
lilac stag
bring on gunslinger please
lilac stag
Just completed more than 50% of it
runic trail
bring on gunslinger please
Guns and poison vials/bombs
carmine portal
ogod, gunslinger debate was had the other day
void ocean
ogod, gunslinger debate was had the other day
which debate
carmine portal
There was a long discussion about Void Dh which lead into: does DH deserve a new spec (that could just be another melee agi class) which then lead into: giving classes VERY new specs
carmine portal
A ranged rogue, shaman tank, mage healer
vale pine
if rogue gets a rework
carmine portal
Rogue tank even
void ocean
what? im more for deleting fckin specs than adding new
they cant even balance this
let alone add more
just delete 1 or 2 specs from 3-dps spec classes
carmine portal
Honestly not sure anyone else wants that, truly anyways.
opal flume
I find all three specs very complex and difficult to play. I think the specs should be simplified in their rotation.
carmine portal
What happens to the 1000's of hours ppl put into mastering the specs you want deleted
void ocean
I mean, in the perfect world we would be getting new specs or existing ones reworked more often but they r obv struggling
how often do we get a patch where a spec wasnt touched for the big part of it
carmine portal
A lot of the discussion ended up around: can WE think of enough stuff to give our "theory" specs to make them seem legit
void ocean
sub, or arcane or surv or w/e
carmine portal
And the TL:DR was not rlly
What spells does Gunslinger have that isn't already done by another class, same as roguetank and shaman tank
The main thing gunslinger adds: ranged rogue spec.
Shamtank: New, VERY unique playstyle tank with elemental buffs
Roguetank: Dodgetank? Kinda brewmaster sort of? I think gestalt came up with some nice ideas tho
opal flume
I'm wondering how we're supposed to play the specs in the Midnight expansion if WeakAuras won't be supported anymore.
void ocean
they will be
limpid sage
Any degenerate gameplay for the coming tier set?
void ocean
they cant pull the plug on WA untill they r sure their solution is top notch
limpid sage
Like saving cold blood for second Coup or
void ocean
and they will need several iterations for that
hazy breach
I'm wondering how we're supposed to play the specs in the Midnight expansion if ...
Sub doesnt really have anything relying on weakauras
void ocean
Sub doesnt really have anything relying on weakauras
i beg to differ š
what about my WA that tells me when its safe to use flag š
and the one that tells me flag has less than 30 sec cd so i dont blow my dance
swift tinsel
if the cooldown manager tracks dance, sod, flag then you don't really need auras
hazy breach
Well you could just look at the cooldowns
swift tinsel
from my understanding weakauras will still exist
carmine portal
The addon CMC lets you heavily edit the in-game Cooldown manager, I've personally used it to replace half, maybe more of my WAs
swift tinsel
just won't be able to solve raid mechanics for you
opal flume
I tried the Sub spec yesterday, but I have no idea how to keep track of everything. š
hazy breach
Well most things are irrelevant
Symbols, dance, flag, blades, sectech, combo points and energy are pretty much all you need. A couple of other small things could net you some minmax stuff
Rupture too ig
void ocean
also cooldowns are there to stay, when i write WA, i make em show up only when they r relevant
and then go away
carmine portal
For me it's Symbols, Flag, Shadow Blades and SHadowdance
rupture is handled by nameplates and the rest is sort of intuition
hazy breach
But ye sub has a ton of buffs that you'd maybe want to track initially, but then you realize youre never actually playing around them so whats the point of tracking them
lilac stag
I find all three specs very complex and difficult to play. I think the specs sho...
That is most people on rogue. What we consider easy (assa) a lot of people struggle with. Outlaw and Sub both amp the difficulty up pretty significantly. Thereās a reason why rogue isnāt played. How intuitive it is being one. Lack of any real visual fx is likely another.
brittle plinth
What is the con return storm or toss giving eb
brittle plinth
That is most people on rogue. What we consider easy (assa) a lot of people strug...
Lack of "awesomeness" when buttons hit does suck.
But it's not that graphics don't exist, shadow step has an animation we can't really appreciate
hazy breach
What is the con return storm or toss giving eb
Wdym? You mean what the downside of it proccing eb would be?
Well nothing really, but it is what it is 
lilac stag
But it's not that graphics don't exist, shadow step has an animation we can't re...
If you canāt see them, they donāt exist.
willow fulcrum
guys
i keep thinking about assassination someone help
someone knock me out rq or somthin
chrome palm
Playing assassination will cure any thoughts about playing assassination dw
lilac stag
Play whatever
willow fulcrum
Playing assassination will cure any thoughts about playing assassination dw
ty god king Messerknecht
lilac stag
just donāt play rogue if you have the option
willow fulcrum
technically yes, but i just spent all day catching up bc i just came back after not playing since wk2 of the tier
lilac stag
TLDR. Everything is worse gameplay wise for rogue except assa. 
willow fulcrum
chrome palm
Sub plays really good
willow fulcrum
Sub is the only spec I feel comfortable on lmao
willow fulcrum
I just don't have as much time to play as I use to nowadays, so getting declined to keys bc I am Sub probably means I lose half my playtime
xdd
sad truth
chrome palm
If you try assassination the bleed build is really fun
willow fulcrum
is that the one with improved garrote or without
chrome palm
It definitely has imp garrote
willow fulcrum
i saw like 1 thing of assa just before and it was a build with no garrote
no improved no shrouded
chrome palm
Itās the one without kingsbane
lilac stag
Good news sub still not good in m+
willow fulcrum
Good news sub still not good in m+
Sadeg
willow fulcrum
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I might have to check that out
lilac stag
Bleed Build
chrome palm
Envenom do a lot of damage poison
short radish
Playing assassination will cure any thoughts about playing assassination dw
true i did it in a key earlier today for vault and i remembered why i decided to just not bother pushing keys
holy shit DS mark is the worst thing ever
acutally delete it from the game please
chrome palm
I canāt wait to be done pushing
hazy breach
What you at rn
lilac stag
true i did it in a key earlier today for vault and i remembered why i decided to...
Listening to prophet should prevent anyone from pushing keys.
willow fulcrum
Envenom do a lot of damage poison
amp poison?
short radish
Listening to prophet should prevent anyone from pushing keys.
it has a bit
chrome palm
Amp poison yeah
willow fulcrum
holy shit DS mark is the worst thing ever
this is honestly the biggest thing turning me off lmaoo
i hate that minigame bro
woops i forgot to ambush!!!!
woops i forgot to tab target!!!
my bad guys
short radish
i kinda want to just get 3.4k and call it a day (which isn't hard i've just been afk from keys for about 3 months)
lilac stag
just donāt target swap
chrome palm
What you at rn
I just got 3800
We are trying to time ws and fg
I actually got our best time in fg as subtlety š
chrome palm
woops i forgot to tab target!!!
Woops a random mob targeted me in stealth
Because they can do that
chrome palm
Itās like your lowest priority
willow fulcrum
ok ty
chrome palm
So you donāt see that much
Basically just donāt spam envenom unless dn or shiv is up
willow fulcrum
ah ok
hazy breach
I just got 3800
willow fulcrum
ig it makes sense with no amp poison or kb to ramp
ill try it out
i think i have lots of crit gear anyway
chrome palm
Make sure to play like a rat for the true bleed build experience
willow fulcrum
lmao wdym
chrome palm
You can pad really easy with vanish and ct in that build
Like if you spread bleeds on the adds on priory last boss
willow fulcrum
ah xdd
chrome palm
Youāll do 100m+ on them
chrome palm
Play sub -> accused of padding because no funnel
Play sin -> accused of padding because of sudden demise
edgy socket
what time is patch?
hazy breach
Sudden demise not working with singular focus is sadge
willow fulcrum
that would be so giga
hazy breach
Doesnt matter that much really,
void ocean
wtf is this
looks like a ring
void ocean
what did u expect from the first vault
willow fulcrum
giga loot to convince me to keep playing
void ocean
i got my first myth track 1H weapon on my dk last reset
had 2 681 crafted
and i even did 8 keys for like 5-6 weeks in a row
got like 10 2H, even tho i was in frost loot spec the entire patch
void ocean
they should rethink the vault in its entirety
imho they should give us more control over the loot
having so much gamba sux
delicate gulch
How does sub feel in The ptr?
hazy breach
Plays pretty much exactly the same as it does on live as there has been no changes
delicate gulch
True true
short radish
imho they should give us more control over the loot
remember when it used to just be one random piece of gear with 0 choice where you could pick from
void ocean
remember when it used to just be one random piece of gear with 0 choice where yo...
yea... vault is an upgrade comparing to that, but still far away from being the best solution
short radish
i mean
void ocean
I dont understand why is it so hard to just give players some valor tokens at the end of the week based on the amount and lvl of content they did so u get to buy an item from the vendor
short radish
we have dinars now (hopefully still)
so bad luck protection is there
there has to be a limit somewhere of just
swift tinsel
just make the vault tokens that version of dinar
short radish
handing out every piece of gear
swift tinsel
adjust cost accordingly
void ocean
well u wouldnt need bad luck protection if u gave more control to ppl
would it be so bad if i cleared heroic raid, killed a few myth bosses, did 8 10+ keys to be able to earn enough tokens to buy the item i want in 2 weeks
vale pine
to be fair, most games in the recent years move away from player agency and towards randomness
void ocean
well we do have randomness when we kill boss and at the end of the dung
imho that should be enough
swift tinsel
bring back charms and delete vault 
void ocean
If you just get it gauranteed afterwards
well u gotta get 15 items or so
if u adjust cost of items u could have a leverage on the timings
also off-specing could be easier
e.g. if i want to offspec outlaw its fckin impossible for at least a month or so
swift tinsel
crafting already ticks that box in a few slots
you can get just shy of max ilvl
which is fine while you're still gearing
graceful osprey
Reroll tokens or Diner tokens would be nice.
Could probably keep it slow during start of the season and ramp it up towards the end.
hazy breach
to be fair, most games in the recent years move away from player agency and towa...
Well no, the crests are absolutely not more towards randomness compared to previous iterations
You have quite a lot of agency in what items you decide to upgrade
vestal escarp
wasnt weekly chest also quite random?
void ocean
add BFA azerite traits
vestal escarp
the ilvl
chrome palm
i dont even remember
graceful osprey
I still want more gem slots
hazy breach
Why
vestal escarp
chat
hazy breach
They dont do anything
hazy breach
Only thing i would want them to change with the vault is adding avoidance/leech from the vendor if you dont pick an item
graceful osprey
I liked adding gems. To me, it feels good to have a fully socketed item
swift tinsel
if gems contributed more than the smallest fraction of a percent maybe
graceful osprey
That too
swift tinsel
they're just not noticable enough with their current budget
mint swift
Guys, maybe the rogue class dev is just a really big sub fan and deciding to stay in stealth
mint swift
Yep exactly
vestal escarp
!!
mint swift
even they don't know the class
vestal escarp
!!!
mint swift
They just pretend they do
swift tinsel
they just fixed bugs yesterday
mint swift
Wait acc :O
swift tinsel
yes, storm no longer consumes both rotten stacks and lingering from deathstalker tree was partially fixed
vestal escarp
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keen dome
Maybe he's really into death stranding but terrible at it. So his delivery is always delayed.
lilac stag
rogue devs are all off their adhd meds.
frank harness
rogue has devs 
tender frost
Probably because across all classes it would take a ton of space on the blue post ig
slate marlin
is it some kind of gaslighting thing where they just want us to think those bugs never existed?
hazy breach
they bugfixed yesterday
Monkeypaw type shit with the bugfix though
Ye lingering now works on sectech
But it no longer works on plague damage from the tree
slate marlin
i was thinking about the rotten actualy
already forgot lingering was a thing for sub
slate marlin
Probably because across all classes it would take a ton of space on the blue pos...
if thats on blue posts, so should bug fixes
valid yoke
So, potentially stupid question cos im brand new to sub
vestal escarp
Rog fixes rarely go on blueposts
valid yoke
I'm presuming during shadow dance I dont want to use secret technique immediately cos I want dance stacks first right?
vestal escarp
They are almost always shadowdropped
hazy breach
I'm presuming during shadow dance I dont want to use secret technique immediatel...
No, you want to use it as soon as possible to get your unseen blades and flawless stacks up
valid yoke
Ahhh gotcha
hazy breach
So you dont want to sit on sectech and waste cdr by using other finishers
(except if flag is coming up shortly, then its fine)
swift tinsel
that doesn't fit the doom narrative
swift tinsel
lol the usual this xpac
hazy breach
Since being strong in raid means we are not gonna get m+ buffs
Whereas being weak in raid often leads to buffs, regardless of m+ performance
warm marlin
Like unironically really good
swift tinsel
if they fix nimble we'd be stylin in m+
valid yoke
(except if flag is coming up shortly, then its fine)
by shortly, is there a set time or just play by ear?
void ocean
is our ptr m+ on the same lvl as current state m+ on live?
hazy breach
by shortly, is there a set time or just play by ear?
Like 20-30s until flag yes
hazy breach
is our ptr m+ on the same lvl as current state m+ on live?
Very similar atleast ye
void ocean
cool
hazy breach
Solid, but not great
swift tinsel
doubt it
valid yoke
as long as its good for +12's im happy lol
void ocean
Strong in raid means nerf.
strong rogue*
delicate wind
Weāve been strong in raid two season starts and end up shit tier
swift tinsel
we're by no means the highest damage
void ocean
just the highest opener?
valid yoke
Idk sub seems like the least played rogue spec which is kinda drawing me to it lol
delicate wind
So just the better rogue spec today which means worst rogue spec and bottom tier in first 2-4 weeks of season starts
delicate wind
Good jokes
void ocean
highest non-lust opener
so I guess no PI
swift tinsel
there's better targets
slate marlin
according to bloodmallet only bdk and brewmaster below sub for pi
swift tinsel
imagine sub with a tangible haste interaction
void ocean
10 globals in dance, lesgo
rotund pawn
did anyone build haste sub rogue just for fun and tried playing it?
would you feel the difference aside abilities hitting like wet noodles
hazy breach
Yeah you would feel it, but the main thing about haste is that its mostly good for our downtime to get more cdr
slate marlin
no dmg in downtime so
hazy breach
So haste on gear isnt nearly as horrible as people think
But the big bursts of haste from BL or PI isnt very strong
rotund pawn
would be interesting to see if they add some kind of cdr amplification based off of haste in next set of changes, in 10 years or so
upper narwhal
That would probably create the same problem as Outlaw, where you have a haste tax to hit a certain breakpoint then stop caring about haste afterwords
vale pine
i don't mind haste being not that great
slate marlin
haste loses value from not reducing gcd as well
lusty epoch
anyone know why top two rogues on mug'zee use the talent "the first dance" instead of "weaponmaster"?
When i sim, weaponmaster is better by 0,4%
Also when i sim head enchant, it says echoing void is the best, but when i compare my logs to someone with gushing wound, their enchant does like 3x the damage. Is raidbot bad? what do you guys use to sim? I'm simming patchwerk 5 mins
steel jolt
you aren't wearing the same gear as other people so you shouldn't necessarily expect the same results
that's the whole point of simulations - they tell you what is best for you
hazy breach
anyone know why top two rogues on mug'zee use the talent "the first dance" inste...
Echoing void is bugged for rogues (and a few other classes) so use gushing or void ritual instead
But in terms of weaponmaster VS the first dance. Neither are particularly powerful so it doesnt really matter, but TFD tends to outperform on shorter fights
warm marlin
anyone know why top two rogues on mug'zee use the talent "the first dance" inste...
tfd gains over wm if you are setting up predisorienting before pull and wm loses if you ever have downtime/cast shuriken storm etc
even at 5min
lusty epoch
thanks guys! ā¤ļø
lilac stag
TFD going to be used on all fights because of jank tier.
warm marlin
tfd goated so no loss
lilac stag
would be goated if it didnāt need 6s (or more) out of combat and would be used off vanish.
still a jank implementation in its current form.
just WM implementation worse.
warm marlin
goated in raid yea kinda cringe in m+
magic out of combat timer that starts when it pleases
hazy breach
Ive been told it should be more consistent and better on the ptr
(thus making the macro not work)
lilac stag
I donāt think you can really say any one of our talents are goated.
slate marlin
Ive been told it should be more consistent and better on the ptr
is this real?