subtlety

[chrome palm]

next week boys surely

[sick jackal]

been sayin the same thing for 3 patches already

[chrome palm]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-sleep-gif-12073235593935901891

[rich stump]

Is sub considered pure phys damage, because all our shadow damage comes as a % of the base phys damage? Like does monk buff have full effect?

[hazy breach]

No

Sub does about 60% physical

The shadow damage part of eviscerate actually is completely separate from eviscerate

Which is why theres tons of bugs with it, because they forget to apply certain effects to the shadow part

Like Darkest night from deathstalker

[left ledge]

Our sectec is also coded as pets

[rich stump]

that's unfortunate

lol

[left ledge]

And has/had its own palace of bugs

[rich stump]

I sometimes get Akaari's soul to show up in details, must have combined it to shadowstrike somehow

Rogue still no changes on PTR is kinda worrying though

[left ledge]

Idk wym by combined it to strike

[swift tinsel]

today isn't the only day they make changes on ptr

[rich stump]

I have no idea what is happening but since it's showing up there must be a reason, maybe istead of AP scaling they added it baseline and removed the 2 sec delay

[swift tinsel]

for the week

[left ledge]

Akaari has nothing to do with strike anymore

[rich stump]

yea I know but I get it to show up on details

wierdly only from healing tab with leech

[left ledge]

If Akaari shows separate from you just means your pets are stealing your damage on logs

It’s just more spaghetti

Sub might be their most spaghetti spec who knows

[bleak night]

this much copium is hazardous for you my friend

[swift tinsel]

they gave us the better 2pc last week thursday

[rich stump]

so there is still hope, 3 specs total 1 change for outlaw while all specs are getting shiny toys

[bleak night]

im going to make you eat british food if we dont get any changes thursday

[swift tinsel]

idk why its expected to get sweeping changes

when that's never really been the case

[bleak night]

oh i expect nothing

[left ledge]

Idk either but let’s make blades work with all our damage

[bleak night]

im just here to shitpost

[swift tinsel]

no one said anything about that for months so idk why its expected to change this ptr cycle

[left ledge]

In the case of blades?

I got something that’s been said for months

Remove goremaw and rework tornado

[rich stump]

or make goremaw better

[swift tinsel]

lol they won't rework a capstone and everyone knows it

short of a semi-invested rework which we know is not on the schedule anytime soon

[rich stump]

didn't they do it for other classes a few patches ago when some choices were never ever picked?

Just imagine Goremawy with x2-3 the damage and instead of no energy it gives guaranteed crits. Cold blood on steroids, and that's why it will never happen

[tender frost]

ww got darting hurricane reworked into slicing winds in 11.1

completely new ability

[swift tinsel]

which were likely planned, there's clearly no plans for our talents

last time was because Dust was too polarizing

which was what, october of last year?

folks gotta temper expectations for a ptr cycle we aren't the focus of

[rich stump]

I'll just sip my copium and take the no change as them planning something significant

[swift tinsel]

esp when its clear there isn't a design direction we're going in

and if there was they wouldn't tell us anyways kekw

[slate marlin]

They reworked sub in s1, and never looked back

[chrome palm]

supercharger was really good change

[swift tinsel]

for sure

very happy with it

[chrome palm]

but that was 8 months ago

[bleak night]

only for sub

[chrome palm]

plays well in all specs imo

[swift tinsel]

we got Death Perception along with it to compensate for Dust removal so we got the better/best slice of that particular pie

[bleak night]

er played way better for deathstalker assa

once it was fixed

[slate marlin]

i preferred er on assa, but supercharger is amazing on sub

[bleak night]

then they immediately deleted it

gg

[chrome palm]

im a perma er hater so

good riddance

[bleak night]

i do get how bad it was for sub

i agree there at least

[swift tinsel]

with old ShT

was a nuisance

[chrome palm]

sc on shiv is nice

and it makes things like dry shiv better which i am a fan of personally

[bleak night]

just makes it even more of an envenom bot

so im firmly against it

[swift tinsel]

isn't deathstalker more the culprit for envenom simulator

[bleak night]

i said even more of, not that it was the only reason

deathstalker is big, but you didnt dry shiv before sc

obviously theres a lot going into making assa an envenom bot

and its unlikely to ever be fixed

[hazy breach]

Tornado next when

[bleak night]

tornado next for sure

[chrome palm]

could literally just replace tornado with shuriken combo

that would be an insanely good change

[rich stump]

since frost dks are getting empowered abailities, tornado as an empowered ability would make sense, if it hit giga hard

[teal island]

For me, I am still pissed when they nerfed Deepening Shadows, but maybe it's just me

[bleak night]

they got rid of empowered breath immediately

the experiment failed gg

[rich stump]

than another raid stacks 15 sub rogues and it gets removed again

[chrome palm]

its been said before, but other classes now have better funnel than sub did when shuriken was removed

or at least pretty similar

[swift tinsel]

empowered breath was removed

[rich stump]

RIP

[swift tinsel]

They'll never give sub funnel back

which sucks

[chrome palm]

or they could just

give flag its damage back

theres your funnel

[swift tinsel]

or bake it into blades

[chrome palm]

well ig not funnel anymore

but prio

i mean its ALREADY in the game

just need to tune it up

it should probably stack higher too

[swift tinsel]

I would like to have nice things

[chrome palm]

since we reach max stacks super fast now

[swift tinsel]

but blizz prefers to give them all to sin

[chrome palm]

like 50 stacks or something

[swift tinsel]

therefore we cannot have them

[bleak night]

deserved

[swift tinsel]

bc only one rogue spec can have good prio, funnel, execute

and they all happen to be on the same spec

[chrome palm]

50 stack flag that actually does damage makes sub a lot more interesting imo

[rich stump]

when I first tried flag this season and saw overall in m+, I cried, remebering how it was in shadowlands

[chrome palm]

i dont like a 1:30 CD doing <1% of my overall

[swift tinsel]

its basically just passive mastery

[rich stump]

another option to think about was that legendary cloak that gave x% damage to shuriken storm every 2 sec, as a telent

[swift tinsel]

bc you get stacks from doing what you do already

[chrome palm]

right

i will always be a flag defender bring back my boy

[delicate wind]

Sick rogue tuning in the latest notes

Btw I say that not knowing where we are on ptr

Are we in an okay place and do we benefit from the monk buff?

[chrome palm]

there hasnt been raid testing recently

[bleak night]

benefit more than some and less than others

[chrome palm]

i mean, its a win if it means makes brew a better tank

[bleak night]

brew meta would go hard

[delicate wind]

Okay so it’s something. But now ww monk is required so better bet than rogue so far

[chrome palm]

no

[delicate wind]

Or can brew tank provide it

[bleak night]

you'll probably always bring a brew or mw over ww

[chrome palm]

ww is totally outclassed by rogue dps in keys atm

you just use brew

[delicate wind]

Gotcha.. assuming those exist bc they don’t get nerfed before raid release

[chrome palm]

brew or prot we are praying for

honestly just not veng

because veng is basically gonna mean casters

[warm marlin]

man i lost so much muscle memory taking a week off raid and playing infinite ptr

sitting here expecting a 2nd coup

[swift tinsel]

Fly coming out guns blazing

yeehaw

[bleak night]

its won

flyquest 3-0

[brisk onyx]

Fly>blg

[bleak night]

ok i jinxed it

[brisk onyx]

[swift tinsel]

lmao was gonna say

literally 5 seconds later

[brisk onyx]

[pliant topaz]

inspired has the biggest balls or what

[swift tinsel]

that was gnarly jesus

[bleak night]

welp

[pliant topaz]

WE ARE SO BACK

[swift tinsel]

the pendulum swings are giving me whiplash

[bleak night]

its a fistfight for sure

[pliant topaz]

INSPIRED ACTUALLY MVP

[bleak night]

holy fuck knight was greedy there

[pliant topaz]

man all the gold is on sej and bwipo

this is a lil cooked

also i love massu but idk man he speaks too much english for ez

[bleak night]

hes no doggo

[swift tinsel]

what's the english lore lol

[pliant topaz]

even if he was how do u kill sion

[pliant topaz]

meme is only giga chinese ez one tricks can play the champ

[swift tinsel]

lmao love it

also if Kobe starts screaming its so and so against the world a million times I'm muting

[pliant topaz]

bwipo has fuckign duolingo open

on god[

[swift tinsel]

the dunkkk

[bleak night]

bwipo only western top laner allowed to play aatrox

maybe not

[swift tinsel]

bro stop jinxing lol

[bleak night]

flyquest losing 0-3

[pliant topaz]

THIS GAME

HOLY FUCK

[swift tinsel]

game one being played like a game 5

HOW

[pliant topaz]

dude pls let fly win

so we cna get fly vs al

that might be the greatest series in years

[bleak night]

ngl these fights are a bit too close for how ahead fly is in gold + flowers

this one not so much but quads gotta stop getting caught

[pliant topaz]

fucking

battle

sejuani

[lucid jackal]

This isn't true

[swift tinsel]

I dont think Inspired has given a single fuck this whole game

[lucid jackal]

There was a raid encounter where you would literally bring in ANY sub rogue into a boss and they would deal literally 2x the damage of any spec in the game

idt any funnel spec is doing literally 2x on full piss gear

I rememeber our guild leveled like, 4 rogues, with full WQ gear to kill zul because of how strong the funnel was

[bleak night]

fly winning game 1 is not a good sign

1-3 incoming

[lucid jackal]

Also I found a way to make rogue OP

[pliant topaz]

HOLY FUCK

HOLY FUCK

THATS MY FLY QUESET

NA >>>>>>>>>>> EU

[swift tinsel]

fucking statement match

holy

[pliant topaz]

we are all in discord and i giga flamed bwipo for picking aatrox

i take it all back

[bleak night]

lmao

[pliant topaz]

im sorry my goat, wasnt familiar with your game

[bleak night]

western aatrox into tank has universally fucking sucked so far

so i dont blame you

[pliant topaz]

its just a bwipo diff

aight gonna go make a shake before game 2.

[hazy breach]

Ye sure arcane is currently doing 2x what other classes are doing in their M+ singletarget

Sub during zul was doing 2.5-3x what other classes were doing with full ST talents in raid

[warm marlin]

unbelievably cursed mugzee is somehow my best parse of the night

still chilling in first gaol 10 full seconds after frost boots have gone out

[chrome palm]

I didn’t play back then so I wasn’t fully aware, but arcane does in fact do some crazy funnel

On mobile so bad SS but

IPA as an example

Granted, probably a lot of that is targeting

[warm marlin]

my 645 arcane gets omega gapped on overall in random pug 10s with 680s and then im close on boss dmg

on funnel fights

spec is crazy

[hazy breach]

Well were not saying arcane isnt doing crazy funnel ST

Were saying sub during legion and bfa was doing noticeably more

Thats why the spec became so unplayable when they removed combo

[chrome palm]

Wonder if you could change it to make it more desirable for the current playstyle

Since we don’t storm spam

Would probably have to be something a little more abstract than Evis dam so it ain’t cleaved by nimble

[lilac stag]

Yeah remove flurry

add combo

[chrome palm]

Or you could just do like amount of tar with fw increases Evis dam idk

[tribal blade]

did i wake up to rogue notes

[chrome palm]

You can go back to sleep

[swift tinsel]

might need to sleep a few more days

[tribal blade]

8% mystic touch?!?

that seems kinda crazy no

[swift tinsel]

it'll end up at 6% by live

[pliant topaz]

probably just trying to make it more competitive compred to other buffs for keys groups

in raid its irrelevent anyways

[remote eagle]

or with rogue getting 3% aura nerf kekw

[swift tinsel]

nah we aren't getting aura nerfed

[tribal blade]

i think they just need to do either the scroll thing or something similar for keys

[swift tinsel]

1:1 fucking scrolls plz

and drums

[slate marlin]

To get aura nerfed is to get into a blue post, so rogue is safe

[tribal blade]

because now monk will be a hard required class for phys comps

[swift tinsel]

lust as an extra action button for tanks, brez for healers

[tribal blade]

what do rogues bring? nothing 🙂

[bleak night]

rogues bring extreme aura

[remote eagle]

just shadow nerf it like the last time

[slate marlin]

Rogues bring yellow, imagine looking at frames with no yellow, turbo inting at that point

[swift tinsel]

Based AF

[tribal blade]

if i need to explain to another person that rogue has atrophic

imma lose my mind

[hazy breach]

Surely theres some good shroud skips

Main problem with atrophic is that while it is quite strong, it never feels strong

[swift tinsel]

we bring parry buff too

truly the most buff of all time

[pliant topaz]

WE PICKED KALISTA

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[tribal blade]

not working on a bunch of environmental dmg??

damn

[hazy breach]

It works on most stuff

Especially in dungeons

[swift tinsel]

remember what you said about aatrox

[oblique grove]

Ain't no way it's another patch of 1 outlaw change and maybe a bugfix

[swift tinsel]

(am also scared)

[pliant topaz]

okay but no one has been able to make kalista work. also we have like legit 0 scaling

[remote eagle]

is numbing worth using in caster heavy dungeons like cinder?

[pliant topaz]

if we fuck up once. just ff go next

[hazy breach]

All i want for patchday is blades working with nimble

[pliant topaz]

u got blades + sectech last major patch. maybe theyll do blades + nimble this patch for you

[hazy breach]

Give it a go, its pretty good

[tribal blade]

hate to break it to you

[swift tinsel]

I believe we get it this ptr

[tribal blade]

but the trend is continuing on it seems

[hazy breach]

Its also a lot less melee damage on the tank

[swift tinsel]

manifesting

[oblique grove]

I'm completely out of copium after the undermine patch

[tribal blade]

numbing is actually really good for tanks

[short radish]

its rather amazing with how "broken" atrophic is that no one has abused the bug yet because how meaningless it is as a raid buff

[oblique grove]

It's all doom now

[tribal blade]

YUP

[hazy breach]

Surely

[short radish]

like holy shit

stacking 4 rogues getting a flat 12% dr or something (fudged numbers)

granted its not everything

but its a lot

[pliant topaz]

last time someone hit me with clueless was pxb. :c

[short radish]

the only "stacking" raid buff

[remote eagle]

that’s what i’ve been doing, pugs started dying, can’t time a single key

[short radish]

and no one cares

[hazy breach]

Also

@tribal blade I actually got score today

Finally got a ML20 (we just never got the key to try it) and we had some insane timers on some 19s

4:10 left on a floodgate

[tribal blade]

HE'S DOING IT

[tribal blade]

jesus

i was talking to a rogue i know edude yesterday

he was saying for NA title will likely be 20 dfc and ml and all the rest on fast 19s

which i'm honestly not sure i'm gonna make because i'm still pugging

[hazy breach]

Idk thats kinda the way EU is looking

[warm marlin]

last time i was pugging title on NA it was completely cooked

[hazy breach]

So probably slightly less on NA

[warm marlin]

is resil just letting people pug that much easier?

[hazy breach]

The score is pretty much stuck after hitting 19s, its going up like 1 per day

Instead of the 3-4 it usually goes up

[hazy breach]

Ye doing your "homework" key with pugs is way easier

Whereas before most people wouldnt want to risk it

[remote eagle]

i pugged up to 18s, kinda stuck now

good enough for a first season after a long break ig

[warm marlin]

nice for the pug gang

spending a week apping for a singular invite to a title level wasn't very fun

[tribal blade]

the major issue is the key inflation and also people getting kinda carried through key levels

was a lot harder to carry people when there was no resil

[swift tinsel]

F

[lilac stag]

Recleared Vexie with only 1 wipe.

[chrome palm]

My guild does mugzee better than vexie

I don’t know why

[warm marlin]

pretty gold number

[lilac stag]

It’s our first reclear so wasn’t sure what the shitshow was going to look like. Missing people as well. Hopefully Mugz isn’t awful.

[chrome palm]

he cant keep getting away with it

[warm marlin]

someone will beat that mugzee

actually diabolical horrific mechanics rng pull

highroll gaming

[chrome palm]

is that why you held so long

[warm marlin]

the spears broke me out of the cage

[chrome palm]

O_O

[warm marlin]

warlock said he could easily solo the goon and then the goon didn't start the wall break cast until 1:58

i did learn something this week though

doing the old vanish opener with predisorient and tfd allows you to often get the full cb sectec within the first dance

seems to lead to pretty insane burst

[pearl swan]

ye i was testing it this week too

let me c if i can find log

[warm marlin]

still at 8M dps at the 32second mark

[ripe flame]

tried sub for the first time this tier, went as good as expected (not at all )

[pearl swan]

12 mil peak opener

@warm marlin

biggest yet

but ended up wiping

zba

this is 20 sec mark

[warm marlin]

ye it seems pretty good

beating mm on pull is crazy

[pearl swan]

def super insane

tfd pre disorient strikes

is sick

[warm marlin]

7min sim with predisorient and a couple other stuff in it

i played tfd on gally this week

tfd maxxing

[chrome palm]

sent on pull?

[warm marlin]

ya was playing boss dmg this week

cant really do both on that fight

[chrome palm]

nah bro in 2 weeks

[warm marlin]

i think its good for the 30s delay too though

[chrome palm]

everyone is gonna be stacking sht for the shield phase

[warm marlin]

the extra dance time lets you farm cds back easier for the 30s flag

[chrome palm]

i can imagine

getting dance back faster

is a nice gain there

i rarely get 2nd sec tech adds

[warm marlin]

plus you storm a decent amount on that fight

wm bad

[ripe flame]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fHqa69hYZGgmDAcL?fight=19&type=damage-done&source=22 if anyone could look and see if I did any major mistakes I'd appreciate it. Thanks . And yes I forgot about the existence of premed mb

[warm marlin]

it's a bit hard to tell just glancing at a log but it doesn't seem like you're holding dances for reel assistant sets which is going to reduce your damage a lot, you're basically making each dance do 50something% more damage via free cleave with sectec and nimble flurry. the flag windows after the first also look a little weird, generally you want to either flag rupture dance/symbols bs sectec or flag dance symbols sectec. your flag at 130 was flag eviscerate dance symbols sectec (this eviscerate made you lose your tier stacks fwiw), then your second dance was extremely delayed, you spent 8 seconds of blades not in dance just backstabbing. similarly at the 3min mark you did flag dance symbols eviscerate, losing a lot of cdr on sectec by delaying it that long. your second dance in this window was also delayed by 3 seconds, probably because you reapplied rupture (in blades) since you didn't use it beforehand. the 3:43 dance you also exclusively used shuriken storm as a builder in dance, big nono, strike always > storm unless you are spreading FW with rotten. same thing with 430 flag, open with eviscerate instead of rupture or sectec, 2nd dance is delayed by 6 seconds

[lilac stag]

wall o text.

[swift tinsel]

gotdamn Flyquest turnaround

[bleak night]

dude

i cant watch because raid

but tune in during break and see this

[swift tinsel]

BALLS.

[bleak night]

i jinxed it

[swift tinsel]

that was game

[ripe flame]

appreciate the elaborate response, I'll try to improve on this next raid

[swift tinsel]

ASS.

[warm marlin]

clean up the flag windows itll look good

[ripe flame]

I think the storms were because the adds spawned but that could be troll as well, haven't looked up at what point it is best to ss over storm in terms of multi target

[warm marlin]

you can cast storm in dance once to spread FW with 1 stack of rotten left if you want to BP, otherwise you just strike. since the booty adds dont count on bandit you dont play rotten and you don't really press BP ever, so strike always in dance

[ripe flame]

got it, appreciate it ❤️

[warm marlin]

np!

[chrome palm]

apparently this is not a thing anymore

wonder how good rotten will be in m+ next season because of this

[warm marlin]

the sims say so but eleem also said it seemingly did more damage to keep the rotten thing

idk seems weird to just rip powders with no FW up

or relying on the ones from rupture

before dance

[tepid trellis]

ong avg if you were to storm, you'd have a good amount of FW up

due to the naturally high crit rate of storm

[chrome palm]

maybe it depends on what it looks like going into the pull but fw doesnt last long

[warm marlin]

i skip ruptures in my weeklies since everything dies in flag anyway

need rotten since im not casting storm until after cds

without it

[swift tinsel]

Inspired is fucking unreal jfc

[tribal blade]

no monk AND no dh buff for gally reclear this week smile

[wicked urchin]

never gonna get a good sprocket log because our kill time is so bad

12 wipes on sprocket on reclear

one shot gally and 3 shot mugzee

make it make sense

[tribal blade]

yeah all kill timings are turbo bad now

well most

[warm depot]

daddy inspired can take me any way he wants

[swift tinsel]

He’s literally putting on clinics

Trundle play immaculate

Had Busio enabling shit left and right and Bwipo cleaning house

[bleak night]

ce achieved, time to tune in and watch flyquest shit on blg

[swift tinsel]

Don’t draft like chuds plz

[bleak night]

im gonna call it now

this is an anticlimactic stomp

one way or another

[swift tinsel]

I’m thinking it’s gonna be an all out slugfest

Either way this series was a fuckin banger

[bleak night]

im sad i missed it

just saw first game

[swift tinsel]

Oh man

Go back and watch game 4

Was a showcase

Game 3 was a heartbreaker

Also got 20mins of pause for Quad mouse problems

[bleak night]

blg first 3 scares me

also W quad

[swift tinsel]

Maybe that’s why he keeps getting caught wandering

[bleak night]

broke his mouse so i can watch game 5

bwipo urgot

game 5

oh boy

[swift tinsel]

This matchup

Teehee

[bleak night]

ok

blgs comp is fucking disgusting

[ripe flame]

comp diff looks rough no

[bleak night]

i dont feel good

[swift tinsel]

Yeahhhh

[bleak night]

look at the fucking globals

and kiteback

vs flyquest team

[ripe flame]

well this is gonna be fun or a quick ggs

[bleak night]

no SHOT

BJERGSEN IS HERE

[swift tinsel]

NO

Ahahahahaha

[ripe flame]

time magic

[swift tinsel]

Holy assfuck

[bleak night]

QUAD IS CHANNELING BJERGSEN

[swift tinsel]

This is gonna be nutty

Or just a total wipe

[bleak night]

this is omega fucked

but holy fuck will it be funny

[swift tinsel]

If they pull this off it will be the most legendary

And I will be too hyped to sleep lol

[bleak night]

ok so like

it could work out

[swift tinsel]

The thing is

If they play like last game

It’ll be a showstopper

[bleak night]

zilean should be able to survive lane vs galio pretty easily

[frank harness]

👀

[bleak night]

and makes lucian giga safe vs the blg wombo combo

but idk how they engage

its legit just leona running at them

MASSU WTF

[ripe flame]

limit testing trust

[swift tinsel]

You’re like a half second ahead of me lol

[bleak night]

lmao

its ok lucian leona notoriously picked for scaling not lane

we fine

surely

[swift tinsel]

Just need to not do that kind of shit lol

[bleak night]

please

take the camera somewhere else

[ripe flame]

no

you are going to watch this

[swift tinsel]

Yeah I don’t need to see this kind of bullying

[ripe flame]

and suffer

[swift tinsel]

Show quad out of position somewhere

[bleak night]

ok

you had to say it

[swift tinsel]

Lmao or that

[bleak night]

how do you die like this

come on man

[swift tinsel]

What a throw my guy

Yeah that was just bad

STOP

[ripe flame]

temu Bjergsen

[swift tinsel]

Ahhhhh

[bleak night]

ok we take the 1 for 1

[swift tinsel]

I’m turning this off for 5 minutes

[bleak night]

lmao

[swift tinsel]

So they can gather themselves

Then again last game they started behind

It’s all part of the plan

Trust

[ripe flame]

they have them right where they want them

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-plankton-ice-cream-let-him-have-it-gif-13256551922871992394

ok

[ripe flame]

Invading against 4 globals seems like a choice

[swift tinsel]

Trying to fight back with a handful of popsicle sticks

[bleak night]

hes relieving pressure its ok

now those globals cant be used on bot lane

[ripe flame]

Truuuuue

[bleak night]

gigabrain

lmao

inspired is getting bullied

[swift tinsel]

Fuck offfffff

They have to otherwise he runs rampant over them

[bleak night]

yeah i think i was right unfortunately

[warm depot]

i take it back

theyre the woats

wtf are they doing man

[swift tinsel]

Ye this matchup was a dream and a prayer

Not a reality

[warm depot]

massu is such a griefer for that lvl 1 man

[bleak night]

WE HAVE NO DAMAGE

[ripe flame]

Uhm

[swift tinsel]

Quad feeding

[bleak night]

SOMEONE DO DAMAGE

[warm depot]

zdps

[swift tinsel]

Joever

[warm depot]

massu griefing that lvl j ust tilted the whole team man

i have no idea how you do that at this level

[ripe flame]

Its all right its all right any moment now

[bleak night]

why did we pick zilean mid then decide to fight early

[ripe flame]

The comeback begins

Trust

[warm depot]

they felt pressured

cuz they were so behind

cuz blg can just start fights at any time

[ripe flame]

The urgot seems weird too but I'm too dumb to start to think about that one

[bleak night]

half of the pressure is from flyquest making plays forgetting blg have 4 globals

they're pressuring themselves

we need a cfo level comback

[ripe flame]

Ok blg will tilt from that Noc ks

[swift tinsel]

Ye they keep getting collapsed on hard

[warm depot]

its just

so depressing man

[ripe flame]

Here is where the comeback begins

[warm depot]

im perma tilted from massu ROFL

[bleak night]

bjergsen rolling in his grave

[swift tinsel]

Not very Bossu

[patent lichen]

This is why I never get my hopes up

[swift tinsel]

Ye this is done

Lost in the draft

[warm depot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-watch-this-bullshit-anymore-i-cant-watch-anymore-i-cant-just-watch-cant-take-it-anymore-i-cant-take-it-gif-14718331

[swift tinsel]

…

[warm depot]

.....

...........

[ripe flame]

That one looked good until it didn't

Lmao

[swift tinsel]

Okay I’m going to bed

[warm depot]

same

[bleak night]

yeah uh

[warm depot]

i dont think i can watch this to the end

[bleak night]

i kind of wish quads mouse hadnt broke so i didnt have to watch this

[swift tinsel]

It’ll be over in 4 minutes anyways

[ripe flame]

Ye its gonna be a roflstomp

[warm depot]

pro games need to be gg'able

[bleak night]

unlucky

[warm depot]

unlucky

[bleak night]

i know NA too well

never hope

[swift tinsel]

I asked yesterday if NA was a meme

And the meme holds

[bleak night]

ok lets be positive

how do we win here

we need uh

[swift tinsel]

Hope for a game crash and redraft

[bleak night]

someone to get caught repeatedly

and for blg to forget they have 4 globals

maybe unplug knights monitor

someone call bjergsen and have him sub in for quad

[ripe flame]

Nocturne ult IRL on BLG pcs

[bleak night]

hell get nukeduck to

he'd do better

[warm depot]

need to kil knight

and get the shen ult

and kill him

and the noc ult late

then kill him

and then for that to happen like

5 times

[bleak night]

i think zilean has done less damage than leona

[swift tinsel]

Likely

aight here’s the turnaround

Fuck off

Okay bed for real this time

[bleak night]

imagine getting this comp game 5

of fearless

[warm depot]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-stop-hes-already-dead-kids-krusty-burger-gif-20458591

[swift tinsel]

Legendary bed shitting

[bleak night]

WE GOT ONE

WOOOOOOOOOO

[swift tinsel]

Lmao what a trade

[warm depot]

#worth

[swift tinsel]

Now they have 10x as many kills not 17

[ripe flame]

[bleak night]

ok

the comeback

[swift tinsel]

Yuge pick

[bleak night]

we might lose but we wont let anyone have perfect kda

[warm depot]

beichaun woat powerup in game 5 to goat or something

[bleak night]

ok

ok

[swift tinsel]

Pick 6

Run it back

[warm depot]

brother on

[bleak night]

almost under 10k gold difference

the paypal deposit went through

[warm depot]

north america will be sending the biggest cheque in the world

alipay will be stacked

[swift tinsel]

Baron steal

Into full team wipe

Run it down

[bleak night]

inspired steals these every time

surely

we ulted the leona

ok

[warm depot]

why does he keep ulting the WORST people man

what the fuck

[swift tinsel]

Bench Inc

[ripe flame]

Call me crazy

[bleak night]

is quad first timing zilean

[ripe flame]

But i think it might be over

[bleak night]

i think

[swift tinsel]

First time mid

[warm depot]

surely

[swift tinsel]

Possibly

[warm depot]

first time playing the game or soemthing

[bleak night]

did he play well in the other games

[swift tinsel]

Nah

[warm depot]

its been the inspired and busio show

[swift tinsel]

Put the mid in midland

[bleak night]

busio my goat

glad to hear hes doing well

[swift tinsel]

Ye with Bwipo throwing in some style points

[bleak night]

ok

this is bm

just end the game man

[swift tinsel]

But yeah when your jungler and support are the only win cons then you gotta rethink a few things

[bleak night]

oh good flyquest getting generationally stomped

not just normally stomped

[swift tinsel]

Hey not yet

[ripe flame]

Hey the game is almost 30 minutes

It could have been worse

[warm depot]

just take me out back

[swift tinsel]

Man to see them go from game 4 snowball to this is just

[warm depot]

i cant believe i hoped

[swift tinsel]

A face punch

[bleak night]

we just need to kill beichuan and bin

dont let them go deathless

[warm depot]

classic na

[swift tinsel]

Okay now it’s a generational loss

[warm depot]

legacy loss

caedrels literally just

couting off the gold lead LMFAO

depression

[bleak night]

ok well

[swift tinsel]

And I had to listen to Kobe for five games

[bleak night]

it couldve been worse

i think

[swift tinsel]

The worst part

[warm depot]

i hate league casters man

[ripe flame]

Flowers balances it out

[swift tinsel]

He’s the only one I legitimately cannot stand (Kobe)

He says the dumbest one liners over and over

[warm depot]

im definitely biased because i watch and play dota but man just the like

[swift tinsel]

And thinks his color commentary is great

[warm depot]

artificial-ness of it all?

throws me off so much

like you really dont have to make every little thing a huge event you have to yell for

[bleak night]

i dont watch lcs so idk if quad is like

good there

but please man

theres gotta be someone better

zilean beat leona damage pog

[swift tinsel]

Barely lmao

[bleak night]

ok well

game 5 soured it

but it was still a 3-2

[swift tinsel]

Tomorrows a new day with a new series

[bleak night]

best western team almost good enough to beat worst eastern team

something something the gap is closing

[pliant topaz]

okauy

so

do we uh

burn massu or what

like do we shoot him? whats the plan

[pliant topaz]

we coulda litearlly 3-0'd btw

[bleak night]

i'd say make him swim home but uh

[pliant topaz]

if massu was a human

[bleak night]

hes already there

[pliant topaz]

check his fuckign bank account

picks kalista for fun

fucks quad for fun

then throws that senna game like that

[bleak night]

its actually so wild how game 5 started

dude just

walks out of tribrush

fuck it who needs vision

[pliant topaz]

disgusting disgusting disgusting

[steel zinc]

Who wants to take the bet 0 sub rogue changes this patch cycle

[bleak night]

is it bad that i kind of want to play league now

[swift tinsel]

They should have won game 3

[bleak night]

no idea how watching that game made me want to play

maybe so i can prove im a better zilean than quad

[swift tinsel]

It was literally a foot in front of them

Or was it game 2

Nah not giving Inspired player of the series is false

Stfu

T1 GenG tomorrow

[bleak night]

that should be fun

t1 international buff vs t1 gen g debuff

[swift tinsel]

Imma miss game one and possibly two bc I gotta work late

Poor Bwipo tryna take the burden off Massu and Quad throwing

[swift tinsel]

We get 1 change before patch goes live

[pliant topaz]

its fine

surely we get 2 seats for worlds

fix this dogshit random thrwo

and both c9 and flyquest show that na has hands

[bleak night]

Honestly it's fitting an NA team shits the bed game 5 with zilean and lucian

Bjergsen and doublelift live on in the next generation

[hollow spear]

It was legit the best shot

BLG was cheeks all tournament

[lavish lion]

anyone using afenars WA pack?

[hollow spear]

It's generally an adc issue. Everyone is like "I can fix her"

[formal helm]

ofc you can!

also I see that I've not missed any rog changes even tho I've been MIA for a week almost

[haughty mural]

No but brewmaster going to be our best friends soon

[maiden oar]

how come i see some gally logs using black powder on 6 targets at 3mins outside blades?

is it not 7+ anymore

[chrome palm]

@tribal blade well well well

[tribal blade]

YUP forever not getting into keys

it's over for me

[chrome palm]

beat you to this one im afraid

[tribal blade]

this guy never invites me for whatever reason

i think i'm honestly screwed without a team

it's not looking good

[chrome palm]

he didnt invite me first and then i put

"sub is good here"

and he invited me then

i mean you might just need 20 dfc & ml

for title which isnt too horrible

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not too bad, the issue is just getting into the keys

which so far is looking very grim

[chrome palm]

its that easy

im spreading the good word of sub

[alpine wraith]

one key at a time

[keen dome]

🙏

[chrome palm]

they will learn

[tepid trellis]

5 or more targets with FW up. Is the current thing

[chrome palm]

friendship ended with black powder

[maiden oar]

oh ok does nimble flurry shadowstrike apply fw or do you need to use rotten shuriken storm

[tepid trellis]

Storm

[white siren]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[maiden oar]

thanks

my plater filters it so im unsure (taking the filter off rn)

[chrome palm]

you can use a weak aura that tracks fw debuff count

[north schooner]

you don't need it on your nameplates necessarily

just the count

[chrome palm]

i have one that loads when talented into rotten

[maiden oar]

ty good idea

[haughty mural]

I watch my plates and count

[chrome palm]

have mine like this

[plush roost]

Everytime I'm in the rookery my chat be looking like this

[north schooner]

"tank can you please stop moving the mobs I miss my counting "

[chrome palm]

the people love subtlety

bliz needs to give the people what they want which is brew/sub meta next season

[plush roost]

My tank is already prepping brew

Please be meta

[sacred yarrow]

what do you mean, sub has been meta every season

-# for two weeks

[chrome palm]

im not so lucky

[alpine wraith]

let them know sub

[tribal blade]

grats

[alpine wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[tribal blade]

but also i'm crying

[alpine wraith]

forcefully

[chrome palm]

maybe prophet

if you queue not at 3am

more groups

this was the only group when i started looking for any 20

[tribal blade]

haha well

[chrome palm]

Deadge game

[tribal blade]

i live not in the US

which kinda sucks

[chrome palm]

😱

[tribal blade]

yeah i always miss out the peak key times

it's 4pm over here right now 😉

[chrome palm]

are you oce

[alpine wraith]

he in hk i think

[tribal blade]

nah i'm in hong kong

i should get an award for doing title range keys with 200 ms

[chrome palm]

i was about to ask that

[tribal blade]

yeah it's rough haha

i can't cheat damage

or i'll die

actually i can cheat, i just have to be very fast about moving

because i can't barely make it out of anything

[chrome palm]

just peaker's advantage the swirly

surely that works

[tribal blade]

it's part of the reason why i don't play outlaw anymore

the spell queueing became an issue

[chrome palm]

i cant even play outlaw on the target dummies in dorn

[plush roost]

Oh wow 200ms

U crazy

[tribal blade]

yeah it's rough sometimes

[chrome palm]

bro is stuck in the past

[tribal blade]

i honestly forget sometimes that i'm playing with ms haha

[plush roost]

I can't play properly when i go from 30 to 80ms lmfao

[tribal blade]

i try not to make a big deal out of it

[maiden oar]

oh also is first dance in raid only good if you can guarantee prepull disorienting strikes

[tribal blade]

or else you become that guy who's always complaining about his ms

[maiden oar]

or is it good anyway if the killtime is sub 5m

[tribal blade]

dude if i could play with 80ms HOLY

the dream

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[plush roost]

Haha i also spell queue at 170 on sub so high ms fucks me up

[tribal blade]

it's good anyways

[maiden oar]

ok thanks

[tribal blade]

dude it can get so bad lol

[plush roost]

And i try not to mash

[tribal blade]

FUCK I SPELL QUEUED 2 STRIKES IN A ROW IN DANCE

outlaw is so much worse though

[plush roost]

Mfw i sudden proc 6 cp in 4 white swings from good rng and i already queued strike

Thats why i lowered the window haha

[tribal blade]

i also try to not mash as much

that helps a lot

[chrome palm]

honestly im starting to think the coup delayed refund is a blessing on ptr

since you have it so much

[plush roost]

Also i hit a ton of crits on my last rookery burn and uh thats my highest so far i think

[chrome palm]

charrend are you still using that dark brew build

for last boss

[plush roost]

No i stopped because the trash was losing too much time as keys got bigger

[chrome palm]

i think at least for 20 you dont need it

i tested with my group and we missed it by 5%, without kezan on pull and with lust on pull

helps having every dps be a 90s

[plush roost]

When did u swap?

[chrome palm]

thats the fun part

i didnt

i was regular build sub the whole key

[plush roost]

Oh then what happened to your kezan

[chrome palm]

oh we full wiped

[plush roost]

Oof

[chrome palm]

we just wanted to see what the dam looked like

that was the first 20 rookery we stepped into just to test things

is assa that much better?

[plush roost]

I think so

[tribal blade]

sin pretty good in the first half

esp on the trash

[plush roost]

At least for first 2/3

[chrome palm]

sub isnt that bad on first two either

[plush roost]

Assa with funnel

I think will always clear sub

And first boss has 2-3 packs pulled onto it

[tribal blade]

yeah if you keep chaining into 1st boss

it's nice

[plush roost]

And second boss has 2-4 crushers

[chrome palm]

true

are you just using deathmark on 1st and 2nd shield then

and still 3 phasing?

[tribal blade]

i've been running the first half as bleed with iron wire just to prevent deaths, dunno if that's troll

[plush roost]

Nah i turn into a sub rogue

After goren

[tribal blade]

but the damage is high

[chrome palm]

holy shit i need sleep

that isnt even the question i meant

lmfao

ah ok

probably also nice to do that to equip kezan

we do that skip before big pack

and over 1st pull and 1st boss

idk if you keep kezan

[plush roost]

We dont do that skip so we have 2s on the lust pull

So we keep kezan

I also dont kezan on assa in that key

[chrome palm]

ill try assa then because our timer felt really tight even though 2/3 was really clean

before we wiped ofc

lot of good funnel targets too

[tribal blade]

the swap is quite fast too at least

[chrome palm]

little speed shroud is nice for that

[tribal blade]

omfg you're right, i completely forgot about speed shroud

[chrome palm]

xd

[tribal blade]

it must be rare for rogues to hearth to swap sub for rookery

because every time i've told a group i'm gonna do it they're very relieved and happy

[chrome palm]

rogue especially has a lot of spec/build specifical details

so i think a lot of people think assa is the bad boss damage spec

because they do weeklies with bleed build people

or like

[tribal blade]

yeah true

[chrome palm]

idk how many times ive had to explain

how shiv works as a soothe for what spec

or like shroud move speed

[tribal blade]

yeah when i was progging gally as sin our dh tried to volunteer me on soothe detail on the adds

and i had to be like "NONONONONO" in discord to our RL haha

i cannot

it's a dps cd

sorry

[chrome palm]

so

i kinda started to do that anyways when i was sin

to caustic dam

instead of waiting for kb ramp

[tribal blade]

yeah i started doing that too tbh

[chrome palm]

but it is really weird that shiv is sometimes a damage cd, sometimes has 2 charges, and is sometimes aoe

[tribal blade]

i figured using shiv early was probably better than waiting for KB to ramp yeah

[chrome palm]

very confusing for non rogues to explain this to them

[tribal blade]

they really need to put it on it's own button for sin

and make shiv solely a soothe button again

sin has barely any buttons already, they'll be fine with another

[chrome palm]

they need to give shiv a real animation

have you seen that shit lmfao

[tribal blade]

bro all rogue animations SUCK haha

[chrome palm]

remember when coup was like just a little yellow flash

with no sound or animation

like your character didnt even hit the guy

[tribal blade]

coup was the most cursed spell for a while

thank god they mostly fixed it

[chrome palm]

sorry but what is this animation

purple swirly???

[tribal blade]

wait is that shiv??

[chrome palm]

yes lol

[tribal blade]

how have i never noticed that

[warm marlin]

Consider yourself soothed

[chrome palm]

the sound it makes

is actually very soothing

[tribal blade]

it sounds like OG backstab haha

close to that

[chrome palm]

IK

the trinkets on ptr

have better visuals than any rogue ability

[tribal blade]

OG backstab had quite a hard sound to it

[chrome palm]

im gonna weak aura in

the ds3 parry sound on kidney shot

the crit sound on flag

[tribal blade]

i'm just praying for rogue notes

we'll get them eventually

[chrome palm]

praying is not enough

you need to start fasting

like a monk on mount athos

for your rogue notes

[tribal blade]

if i fast for rogue notes there's a very good liklihood i'll end up starving 🙂

[chrome palm]

LMAO

[chrome palm]

whoever designed windows file explorer needs to starve to death

tbh

[runic trail]

Just some hero talent tweaks and a bug fix or two and I'll be chill

[chrome palm]

its gonna be

more asinine mage hero talent tuning

which is somehow always in every patch notes

[tribal blade]

dw mages will find something to complain about

[chrome palm]

the general feedback thread for classes

has like 800 mages and like 4 rogue posts

[tribal blade]

the arcane mage in my guild was not happy arcane was meta in keys because he said it didn't let them be good in raid

so there's that

[runic trail]

Isn't arcane doing pretty good in raid?/

[chrome palm]

its the best mage spec

[alpine wraith]

it was actually very good

[tribal blade]

honestly not 100% sure, but yeah i think they're chilling

[alpine wraith]

just idk wtf happened

[chrome palm]

it is shitting itself trying to open a context menu

and then when it finally does

i get to realize they took out the "Open here in command prompt" option

[alpine wraith]

lul windows 11 is denthead for sure

[alpine wraith]

even windows 10 infuriates me

[chrome palm]

it gets worse every year

[runic trail]

Yeah they're chilling

[tribal blade]

i guess slightly above middle of the pack means you're in eternal suffering

[chrome palm]

the other mage specs are probably only that low because everyone rerolled arcane

[runic trail]

Its why I jumped ship, at least wow runs good on Linux

[vestal escarp]

not the chart.....

[chrome palm]

i could not get bnet to work nicely with wine when i tried it

it kept throwing a fit

[tribal blade]

yeah no reason to play the other 2 specs when you can just 1 trick arcane for a tier and it's good everywhere

[runic trail]

Install it through Lutris or add it to steam as a non-steam game and run it through proton

[chrome palm]

im a windows baby i use wsl when i need to

that is a good tip thank you

[runic trail]

No worries.

[chrome palm]

are you able to play games with spyware on them

like anti cheat

[runic trail]

I'm running wow through steam at the moment because lutris decided to be annoying

[runic trail]

Depends on the game. Some have support for it through proton, some don't

I know EAC and Battleeye have options for devs to support proton, but anticheat is the biggest issue for Linux gaming nowadays

[chrome palm]

i also get this thing with windows

where it preloads EVERYTHING into ram

so it eats half my ram even when im doing nothing

which is i think an issue for wow because wow is a shit game and has a memory leak since 11.1

and it freezes my shit when bosses do mechanics sometimes

like this is not what 89% of 16GB looks like

[warm marlin]

you ever just not proc your belt entire vexie burn so you're playing a belt with no stats for no reason

[vestal escarp]

proccing belt at any moment outside flag is like having a belt with no secondaries

[maiden oar]

whats the logic for backstab spam pre flag? is it a significant gain if you have your cdr taken care of and a coup prepped to just bs and farm sht stacks or is it something to smooth out variance and not a gain on average

[remote shuttle]

If u use vers u have more dr also out of CDS btwv🤣