subtlety

[lilac stag]

or maybe it goes live and it stick since we’re just mid as mid can be at the moment.

[hollow spear]

That's certainly not going to happen

[hazy breach]

Ye i guess its either BL or Skyfury and you get that extra dance and a bit of value

Cuz in the sims i did i just removed a buff

[leaden prairie]

I think your sim might be in low precision tho

Unless you manually set it up it will be low precision

Which can be upward of 3 % variance iirc

[lilac stag]

and neither is wcl giving a shit. Or wowhead. Or the community. Everything works out then.

[hazy breach]

Its not

[opaque barn]

How would i maximize crit on subtlety

[twilit phoenix]

wdym? like stacking secondaries?

you don't really care for stacking crit as sub, you mainly want vers/mast gear

[hazy breach]

Nothing wrong with crit either, as long as youre not stacking haste its fine

Its not like you should be stacking crit specifically though

[brittle plinth]

Big crit = good feels

[opaque barn]

Mastery most important sure but brain likes big crits, mastery/crit wont ruin my life, will it?

Like. Its still viable

[hazy breach]

Sure, but the crits would be bigger if you had vers

[brittle plinth]

Honestly, the right answer is sim your specific situation

[opaque barn]

Hm. Then why called crit? This confusing

[hazy breach]

What

Crit makes you crit more often

Vers makes you deal more damage

[brittle plinth]

They dont get your vers joke

[opaque barn]

Im kidding, yeah

[brittle plinth]

You need to be be more flexible in your thought process

More ... versatile ...

[opaque barn]

Alright so the truth is ive never used sim and have been avoiding it. Would it give me specific crit chance % with the stats?

[round latch]

wait are u srs

[opaque barn]

Yes

[brittle plinth]

The sim is a good tool

Helps a lot with these type of questions

[opaque barn]

I basically just got back into wow like three days ago on my ancient panderia rogue

[brittle plinth]

Welcome back!

[round latch]

the answer is sim individual pieces with crit and act accordingly

there is no definitive answer

[brittle plinth]

Do you need help navigating the Sims?

[opaque barn]

Kay I'll cave and give it a shot

To be seen, I'll try it first

[brittle plinth]

Good plan.

Come back if you get lost

There is an addon you want

[opaque barn]

I've just hit 630ish ilvl so im actually looking at specific stats, about time

[brittle plinth]

So you can input your stuff directly

At 630 ilvl is king

Whatever is highest is best

[round latch]

at this ilvl u shouldnt even look at mastery or vers or crit

try increasing ur ilvl in general

past 665+

[opaque barn]

Yeah im not like being picky on my new gear, I mean now gear increases have slowed down enough that I am thinking about what I want

[round latch]

u can go 648 by doing world content

[brittle plinth]

So 650 is pretty simple to get right now

[opaque barn]

For the final stuff

[round latch]

from nightfall scenario

[brittle plinth]

648 same thing haha

[opaque barn]

I stopped getting drops from it seemingly, is it not a weekly thing also?

[brittle plinth]

You do it once a week for champ token

Repeat for vet

Do your 4 bountiful delves at 8 or higher

[opaque barn]

Oh, when I say 630 thats not maxed upgrades, I guess, I have a few hero pieces

[brittle plinth]

Do your time walking raid and dungeon questsv

[round latch]

craft couple heroic pieces(658) from max renown rewards,free enchanted runed undermine crests

[opaque barn]

Max renown lmao

[round latch]

then work ur way upwards with t11 delves

can slowly crawl to 670+

[opaque barn]

Eventually, but getting up to level and gear in a couple days is realistic but that renown grind sloooow

[brittle plinth]

Don't really need max renow for first crafted one, can get that from undermine story

[round latch]

its not as slow as u think

delves help alot

u open chests that give 3k renown

[brittle plinth]

Don't worry about renow grind personally speaking, that's more of an alt thing

[opaque barn]

Worth doing non bountiful ones? Last I did was unlocking t8 delves and they had slowed down a lot by then

[round latch]

everything

dont think

[brittle plinth]

You would do non bountiful delves for purpose of vault

[round latch]

just do everything

[opaque barn]

Do all the things

[brittle plinth]

You want 8 level 8 delves

To get 3 x 649 items to pick from

[opaque barn]

Still solo? Im getting sick of brann

[brittle plinth]

Do you use him as tank?

[opaque barn]

Usually dps

Tank is useful for awhile but i find him dying often

[brittle plinth]

I find him pretty chill as healer

[round latch]

when it comes to delves,dont forget to take the 2k thingy from vendor to summon underpin for a bountiful hero track rng loot

start from t8s

t11 is where u wanna go

for gilded crests

[opaque barn]

So just keep on doing em huh

Can do

I think theyre neat they just slowed down so much in doing em

[round latch]

u should aim for bountiful delves only and farm everythign else

u can work on general ilvl progress

[opaque barn]

Yeye

[round latch]

by just doing world content

the awakening machine also gives veteran gear iirc

or champion

do taht as well

its easy af

[opaque barn]

Yeah that was mostly what ive been doing, stuff has started to slow down so figuring out where to continue

[round latch]

630 doesnt slow down but if u want faster

que keys

no other way to go faster

[opaque barn]

I mean 630 is average, I have a couple heroic 645 and such

Just been getting dupes or nothing else that high

[round latch]

yes ur average is low even for average

world content goes to 648

[opaque barn]

Waaaaa

Okay, more world content

Oh and the singing ring thing, I should do

People just say short questline, any idea the time it takes?

[round latch]

yes the machine awakening

no there is no time

its a weekly quest

u take it and start it

clear 20 stages and be done

challenge just goes faster

no breaks every 5 stages

[opaque barn]

Yeye I did it up to the second to last tier and then fucked up and died, didnt want to redo it at the time

Was end of a long day of play

Also coming back and finding out my blades of azzinoth are a wall piece now I am still weeping about

ok how about this for a question, as far as spending upgrade currency on gear, is hero the minimum level i should be spending on? or do i hold it

[sullen hare]

Spending on hero is fine and if I was in your position I'd even be upgrading champion track pieces

There is no wasting them because there is no cap on crests

[serene notch]

Just play and convert to tier/upgrade as makes sense. It will make your experience smoother and more enjoyable IMO.

Playing and gaining ilvls/power every session is nice.

[lime stump]

Hey guyss, how much global dps are you being able to do in keys? and what item level?

Just want to have a reference to see if I'm doing alright

I have Ilevel 669 and I'm doing 3.2M more or less

[keen dome]

At what key level, though?

[serene notch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/ Warcraft Logs - Combat Analysis for Warcraft

[keen dome]

That's important 'cos DPS will typically go up, if played well, as you go higher in keys 'cos stuff lives long, etc

[serene notch]

It’s imperfect but at least gives you a rough idea of how your doing damage/key level

Also keep in mind, if you’re not logging , details damage will be > WCL damage as it does not count downtime.

[graceful crown]

flagellation not reseting after boss reset is insanely annoying

[bleak night]

me telling my guild i need a 1:10 pull timer

[chrome palm]

I told my guild “I need three more seconds” when they started the pull timer 🙊

[real panther]

it depends. According to your ilvl, with a regular everyday normal tank in a 10-12 this is very good. Keep in mind that on the logs you can find on warcraftlogs, route are fines/perfect. Few pulls, links are timed based on the lecture of the group cds. Imagine you are doing ~10M-8M on big packs, and the tank only do big pack and make it as a flow so you got your cds on point. Your overall dps would be much much higher. You, you are probably (like many of us) doing this in pickup and rarely the tank roll clean. Big, small, gigantic pull, weird links (aka 2 add remaining with 2% hp for no reasons).
tl;dr Imo your dps is really fine

[iron roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[iron roost]

@warm marlin

xD

[graceful crown]

burst windows of rik reverb? on pull and wait for bombs?

or on cd

[lime stump]

Actually I'm playing with my bf! He's tanking at the moment

We're leveling up his warrior so we can start doing +13

Thanks for answering btw..!

And yeah I feel that so much

Having your full cds up and the pack has like

2 dudes with 5% hp that are just

Not dying

[iron roost]

[opaque barn]

So what about crafted bis gear? What's the limiting factor on getting that done ahead of other things

[hollow spear]

Sparks and crests are the limiting factor and that should be easy with catch up and - if it's an alt - the crest discount

[opaque barn]

Yeah no alt discount, but catch up might help. The sparks didnt seem to be any problem, ive already got 5? So Crest time

[lime stump]

You'll need 90 guilded ones to get the max I-Level one..!

60 for the heart thinguie and another 30 for the extra 6 points of item level

all sold in the same vendorr

if you're lucky and get a max quality one you'll have a lvl 681 item

I'd recommend go for weapons first

daggers are the worst to get from mythics..

[alpine wraith]

only craft main hand

off hand is whatever

you can just use a champion one for a while it is whatever

[lilac stag]

1. Craft Main Hand
2. get HoC or PVP trinket
3. Get tier.
4. congrats youre done gearing your sub rogue

[brittle plinth]

5. Collar and leash ... It's called sub

[serene notch]

whats the most light weight utility to record gameplay?

[lilac stag]

Probably your gpu software

[hazy breach]

Personally im a big fan of Warcraft Recorder

It starts recording based of the wow combatlog, so with an addon/WA that automically enables logging when you go into a key or a raid it just does it by itself

(with a bunch of options to limit space usage, select at what key levels/raid difficulty you want it to record etc)

[hazy lichen]

pacemaker for m+

[serene notch]

what do you use to see button presses?

[hazy breach]

Pacemaker is definitely not an essential trinket for sub

[serene notch]

i have the WCL client with auto logging enabled

[hazy lichen]

it is for m+

[hazy breach]

Details has a plugin for it, but im sure theres a bunch of WAs around for it as well

[hazy breach]

No

[alpine wraith]

there are like 2 or 3 trinks that sim kinda sameish

even in m+

[hazy breach]

If something is like 0.3% ahead of the other options its not essential in the same way something like tier set or house of cards are

[alpine wraith]

like if the team does the no going out of combat even kezan is good

[hazy breach]

Like you can craft an alchemy trinket and be like 0.4% behind

[hazy lichen]

nah ive tried other trinkets instead of pacemaker not the same overall at all

[alpine wraith]

uh

sure

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

Doesn’t matter

The 3 items I listed is all that sub actually cares about. Everything else is whatever.

[brisk onyx]

I love energy drink

[alpine wraith]

same shame it cant be mythic

they dont want us chugging monster to victory

[boreal finch]

seems like sub is decent for raid again? still underperforming compared to assa for m+?

[alpine wraith]

yea we are mid table now mostly

[hexed sluice]

I have a heroic energy drink, but was thinking mythic pacemaker cause Im not gonna get a myth HOC, just something to spend chips on

[alpine wraith]

as for m+ we are behind on overall but can be useful on some dungeons

[hazy breach]

Its solid for raid ye, keys is still a bit eh

[boreal finch]

i had to swap off sub early in the season to assa, but id rather play sub if they are similar strength

[alpine wraith]

for raid it is ok

and for m+ unless you are pushing 19+

you might be able to scam some friends

[boreal finch]

lol

[alpine wraith]

i mean it is kinda the same as playing frost dk

instead of unholy

it is not bad

but it is not unholy

sub is not assa but it is sub

[boreal finch]

sad we caught such a hard nerf at the very beginning of the season, was it even that good before they nerfed secret tech?

[alpine wraith]

uh well they REALLY didnt like the idea of big burst

on tier set

but then decided to nerf it again and also sec tech

so idk

[still forge]

REAL

[hazy breach]

I mean it was 5% sectech damage and the tier got a bit weaker, like a 2% nerf overall

Not that impactful

Mostly just other specs being buffed while sub wasnt

Now that we've been buffed again were back to being fine

[hybrid prism]

I’m not happy until we’re 20% ahead of everyone.

[still forge]

Im not happy until secret technique deletes my enemies from the game files.

[alpine wraith]

funny enough sub has never been 20% ahead of everyone

even in its peak on cata or WoD days

arcane was better

funny how it always goes somehow like that

even now arcane is better sub

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/green-day-lonely-road-walk-alone-butits-home-gif-7198936

[short radish]

It may be bad yes, and it could also get worse but at least I'm not playing assi.

[exotic kelp]

Totm should be a rogue spell...

or atleast that functionality of, store damage delayed giagantic hit, same with breath of eons.

[haughty rose]

Does shroud have a speed boost for the whole group?

[cobalt vector]

As sub yes.

[sweet turret]

that hate to Sin

[haughty rose]

So suitable for ToP skip right? I never dared to offer it since i wasn't sure about the speed buff

[short radish]

it's better than druid roar

[vale pine]

both are good

[misty tinsel]

Hello guys Hekili is broken with our spec right ? Sometimes he advices me things ...

[fallow nimbus]

Don't use it, learn the spec by hand

[misty tinsel]

we are a lot dependant of the tank right to backstab what do u do when ur tank does wrong things ?

U give up the back ?

[hollow spear]

Yes, and sometimes the tank can do everything right and you still have to backstab from the front

[misty tinsel]

Okay thanks

[dry peak]

is positionals still a thing? i picked up my sub 2 days ago.

[sharp kernel]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[sharp kernel]

!spreadsheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

to get fw and backstab dmg

but apart for that not really

[sharp kernel]

We have a spreadsheet for what you can cloak and evasion?

[alpine wraith]

not many people cared enough

so if have questions you can ask likely someone knows already

[tidal chasm]

evasion works for more things than you expect, cloak works for less, next question

[tacit pond]

will it trigger the bombs on mugzee when i use shadowstep on them?

[tidal chasm]

I would think no but idk as long as you are standing still when you step

test it, just tricks someone else first so wipe looks like their fault

[warm marlin]

given that their server-side position is often desynced to be further behind their actual position that you can see I would consider shadowstepping them quite risky

[short radish]

i dont understand how gallywix front works

[misty tinsel]

delaying cd is ultra punishing on the spec if I understood nicely but in mm with all aoe on ground and tank running like a chicken damn its hard

[hollow spear]

What do you mean by that?

[short radish]

the direction he faces

is not the front

because i have frontstabbed him

and procc'd find weakness

[haughty rose]

another ToP related question: afaik one of the 3 guys at first top boss gets some enrange effect which can be dispelled with shiv

how that called and is it useful enough to talent into shiv?

[short radish]

yes

its worth shivving

well its the mob

not the boss

that needs shiv

[sage pond]

Is it worth to consider deathstalker when playing Junkmaestro as second trinket?

And how would we ideally use it with trickster as second trinket?

[steel wasp]

does it worth to stack mastery over 100%, or better go crit/vers?

[short radish]

no

[short radish]

whatever raidbots tells you to go

[steel wasp]

is there any guide how to sim for stats since stat weights are inaccurate?

[tidal chasm]

deathstalker sucks

[short radish]

yes. you use top gear

[steel wasp]

ty

[lilac stag]

Just use top gear. Make any adjustments to missives, enchants & gems there.

[sage pond]

What’s the ideal usage of junkmaestro on sub? We don’t have anything influencing its dmg except its own stacks, just press it whenever I feel like so it doesn’t overcap or wait till 30 stacks all the time except shortly before fight ends?

[tidal chasm]

get pacemaker & forget

[lilac stag]

Using it when it won’t fuck up house of cards

You can see where sims use it in the example

Run energy drink or pacemaker tbh

[steel wasp]

ty ty

[sage pond]

I got it on second rogue and I will use 2nd dinar(1st was myth hoc) for something else than pacemaker and don’t have time to farm energy drink with it. It doesn’t bother me to have the extra button flying around but will test it out thanks for the help guys

[lilac stag]

Has a second rogue. Makes comment about time. Choices were made!

[tidal chasm]

I would just take pacemaker tbh, if you're raiding myth then odds you get dagger is reasonable and theres nothing else to really use dinar on tbh

[steel wasp]

u dont have too much options from dinars imo, they are house of cards, pacemaker and needle-dropper, but this dagger comes from the 3rd boss so it is easy to farm, so 2 options left

[warm marlin]

afaik certain bosses in this raid cast abilities that make them look like they are facing one direction (i.e. gallywix frontal, I think oab has some too) but in reality they are actually just facing the way they were before casting the ability

[leaden prairie]

gally back is proper

i know cause ks put you in the back of this boss only

so its very noticeable

[sage pond]

I hope to get myth gally this or next week on it so I can insta use it on ring 😅 already got double myth dag

[lilac stag]

If you’re progging next tier, kezan better choice than ring

[tidal chasm]

is ring even bis on sub

[lilac stag]

At least on sub

[sage pond]

That would be my third planned dinar yeah

[warm marlin]

this backstab procced FW

could be that im around the 180degree edge of his front

[short radish]

yeah youre on the side

[warm marlin]

but u wouldnt expect it to

[short radish]

backstab is 180 degrees

i think

dont quote me on that

[leaden prairie]

you clearly are in front tho

not back

[warm marlin]

ye

and it procced the standing behind thing

[short radish]

oh wait yeha you are

[leaden prairie]

ah well

idk

then

[short radish]

fuck this game

[leaden prairie]

i retract my message

[short radish]

delete backstab

[leaden prairie]

you clearly are behind !

[short radish]

make it just called stab

[alpine wraith]

it got changed in like wod or legion

to not be only 45 behind him

[haughty mural]

I love my positional requirements

[alpine wraith]

imagine the faces of people when they try to ambush in mop

YOU NEED TO BE BEHIND YOUR TARGET

[short radish]

dont remind me

[tribal blade]

i remember back when you had to be directly behind your target to proc it

so, so aids

btw why the hell is backstab positioning still a thing

[alpine wraith]

well thankfully sub is omegaass in mop until some fights where it is very good

or well playable

also i hope to see a dark animus compilation somewhere

we had like 700 pulls

in like 5 days

[tribal blade]

i was a sin main all throughout mop

[alpine wraith]

guess the median time

[tribal blade]

JEEsus

sounds like tindral prog

[alpine wraith]

nah you just died in 4 secs

[tribal blade]

HAHA

makes sense

[alpine wraith]

you can check some old videos

it is very silly

basically in HC you had the normal robots but also the big one activated very earluy

so everyone had 1 or 2 robots

and you had to kill them in order

if they went ANYWHERE near another of same size

they one shot people then ran rampant

[tribal blade]

we actually went through all that during mop remix

that boss was extremely hard until they nerfed it

you also couldn't equip certain tinkers iirc

[hollow spear]

The worst part is that it's a positional requirement, plus another rng condition

[short radish]

fuck sub rogues, i want their existence to suffer

some random blizzard dev who is still salty about being spawn camped when he was playing 15 years ago

[vale pine]

just wait, next xpac will not have stealth

^^

[keen dome]

that'd be hilarious and surreal

[alpine wraith]

well tbh cheap shot and kidney were on diff drs for too long

created long onset of PTSD

also in MoP you could get 420 no scoped by deadly throw

[graceful osprey]

Lmao really? I have to try that in MoP classic

[iron roost]

hi

[brittle plinth]

LOL

100% this is a major factor

No one can convince me otherwise

But if and when a rogue rework happens, you can absolutely guarantee it'll be a debate between "the class fantasy its had for decades" vs "its based on concepts that dont work anymore" when it comes to removing stealth/stances/combo points or w/e the fuck

[brisk onyx]

[haughty mural]

Spreading conspiracy won’t help us in the long term 👍

Also why you want a rework

[brittle plinth]

Did you read what I wrote and presume any sort of desire or request for one?

[brisk onyx]

I miss this

[short radish]

nothing will help us anyway

so may as well just shitpost

[haughty mural]

Fair

[iron roost]

⚰️ ⚰️ ⚰️ ⚰️

[vestal escarp]

No rog on ptr notes prediction 📈

[clever delta]

oh yeah

but they defo should fix FW

either remove it or make it more easy to apply

[graceful osprey]

11.2 surely

[vestal escarp]

[short radish]

it'll be fixed sometime in XX.X

i have faith it will be resolved before wow gets to triple digit patches

[keen dome]

It'll be fixed.. Tomorrow!

And if it isn't, just re-read that message until it is.

[short radish]

something something tomorrow never comes

[hazy breach]

Tomorrow comes mon ami

[keen dome]

mon aaaaaami

We cannot experience the "Wheee" of Sub without experiencing the "Whooo" first.

[hazy breach]

Indeed

[graceful osprey]

Sub when popping all CDs
“GET OUT OF MY WAY”

[hollow spear]

Sub when popping all cds: "what crack is our devo on and where can I get that"

[rocky ocean]

[hollow spear]

On the other hand, I kinda like that bloodlust doesn't really matter for us

Makes it easy to shift around cooldowns

[hazy breach]

Idk subs burst is pretty comparable to dev, even during BL

[sly shore]

It's definitely not

[hazy breach]

Their cb sectech is just at the start

[lilac stag]

idk I watch both devs shoot past me and stay there through 3 dances with TFD

is subs burst good? Yes. Is it Dev or MM?

[sly shore]

MM burst is literally insanity

if they proc it's fucking wild

3 casts of an ability doing 81M damage

vs subs 3 casts doing 38M

doing the same as 10 finishers is crazy work

[lilac stag]

even with insane rng on sub I can’t keep up

I was when it was 10%

[graceful osprey]

Sub is supposed to be burst class btw

[hazy breach]

Sub has insanely high burst

[graceful osprey]

Meanwhile MM hunters can double my burst

[hazy breach]

I took a random top log from gally with a dev, he did 7.6M during the first 30 seconds with PI and BL, my latest log i did 7.3 in those same 30s

[graceful osprey]

Holy, what’s your ilvl?

[hazy breach]

Maxxed

[graceful osprey]

Jeeeez no wonder you’re pumping

[vale pine]

secert PI tactic

[graceful crown]

in 17 i got outbursted always :>

sub burst clazzzzzzzzzzzz

[hazy breach]

Ye aoe burst is kinda sus

[graceful crown]

assas, MM, evok, uh

[hazy breach]

Was mostly talking about raid

[graceful crown]

subs megaburstasjzzz

ah yeah

raid not bad

but still, its a joke the state of sub, you can deal dmg each 1.5 mins, u cant sustain anydmg somehow... it should deal the most burst of all

or 5% top burst in dungs atleast

[hazy breach]

You do alright damage during dances, but ye aoe could be better

[graceful crown]

yeah

[hazy breach]

Nimble bugged as shit

[graceful crown]

or atleast have som funnel

[hazy breach]

Sectech soft capped at 5 for some reason

Like i dont think sub is even that bad in keys, its definitely fine and playable. But a couple of bugfixes would make it significantly better ye

[twilit phoenix]

sectech softcap is cringe

[hazy breach]

Even though it doesnt really matter the hotfix notes they posted saying that fazed now works with nimble bothers me a lot

Since they didnt actually fix it

[latent finch]

So it does now work for outlaw but not for sub?

[hazy breach]

Ye

Fazed buffs blade flurry now, but not nimble flurry

[latent finch]

Wow, i justed assumed it works for both now.

[hazy breach]

Fair assumption since thats what they wrote in the note

But alas, that is not the case

it doesnt matter that much though, its like a 1% dps difference

Mostly just annoying

[spice matrix]

We can use every % we can get

[latent finch]

Is it more often in this expension that they post a bluepost which is incorrect? Fells like they did that now a few times

[wispy crystal]

hey guys, is sub the best spec in clearing horrific visions as rogue?

[short radish]

sub isnt the best spec for anything except depression

just play assi

put bleeds on shit

and watch them randomly die

[graceful crown]

hate when in some pulls im under the tank

at 12s

people hate me :<

but then things happens... :>

sub of subprise

[wispy crystal]

Ahhhh okay LOL! that answer was hilarious

Alright I'll switch to assas, but my gear is all PvP gear with Vers mastery

Do I need a certain ilevel to do visions ?

[lilac stag]

“I’m a bottom”

[short radish]

probably like 650 or something

or 640

[lilac stag]

I got my 8 mask down 25 minutes before reset

[graceful crown]

until we reach voidstone monstruosity

boss was left with 15% hp at first burst window

haha

but yeah it sucks when im under the tank at some pulls

cringe dmg

[wispy crystal]

Ahhh okay I'm like 633 I'll try my best

[short radish]

you can do it 👍

[round latch]

that name is familiar,u are E.U aight?

[graceful crown]

yeah

mmmm can shadowstep fail even with @mouseover?

some times it misses or just dont use it

[round latch]

the only thing im aware of is range check

nothing else coming in mind

[lilac stag]

you can get weird LOS at times

[serene notch]

How diligent are you guys about spreading ruptures in a big Aoe pull, say pull 1 of priory or brew?

I think we are suppose to but it feels awful

[lilac stag]

you just use rupture to reset CDR

Nothing should feel good outside of CDs

[graceful crown]

funnier thing of sub for sure

<: )

[hazy breach]

You would use your cds first, and then afterwards you would rupture things that youre expecting to live for a bit

[hollow spear]

It's a two for one finisher, big value

[hazy breach]

Toss out some rupture on muscles while the pull is being grouped

[serene notch]

Ok this feels right intuitively

When the mobs are spread on pull 1 of flood I think i tend to open with 2-3 ruptures , but for brew I tend to go 1 and straight into cds

[graceful crown]

if ure in your burst window

be careful to not evis, powder or sectech between dances

it can happen

its probably that you gonna lose set charges

and thats a lot of damage

idk if i have a curse or something, its 15% chance and sometimes i timed it wrong like dance finished - evis - 2nd dance and i lost all 8 charges :-D

[wicked urchin]

who needs to wait for the next dinar? not me

[brittle plinth]

Shadowstep has never failed

[graceful crown]

go assa :o

<: )

[brittle plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1381828270638501968/1381828285931065365/Moments-clip-from-Jun-09-2025.mp4?ex=68499820&is=684846a0&hm=1633b80a977c2e375ed077799d4e0d3253e67c7eadf8243063706f68e4fe1755&

[graceful crown]

hahaha

thats cute

[brittle plinth]

Ohh myth seaforium

fancy

[serene notch]

Grats

[formal helm]

how big is rotten ? can we change it / do we change it for smth else on higher keys?

[tender frost]

bless

[hazy breach]

Playing without it is really annoying on aoe and i wouldnt recommend

Since you wont have find weakness up guaranteed

[formal helm]

ait, ty

[long marlin]

random question, anyone know if rep isnt working how it should?

i thought gallywix gives a 1000 and def didnt get that

from lfr

[sage pond]

echoing void is so bait its unbelievable. did 6mil on hc gally and i checked and people got 22mil from gushing same fight length

[hazy breach]

Ye its bugged on some classes like rogue and doesnt proc like it should

Just use void ritual or gushing

[serene notch]

After one solid week of being “correctly” tuned I feel like sub is very middle of the pack. Prob not going to be touched for a long time.

[fallow nimbus]

Go big purple beam and proc it into adds

[lilac stag]

going to test tendies in lfr

[lilac stag]

vegan tendies.

back to gushing

[fallow nimbus]

Beam just sims a few k less than gushing in pure st but a good chunk more in dslice

[lilac stag]

gushing is consistent in raid. TD is not.

[fallow nimbus]

Just be lucky

[lilac stag]

youre playing sub rogue. There is no other luck than bad luck.

[graceful crown]

^

u can even miss some hits of sectech with coldblood because sectech aoe

KEKW

[hazy breach]

Wdym

[fallow nimbus]

I am so lucky my td runs in curves and hits my targets twice

[ivory dome]

any belt sims?

[hazy breach]

Waiting for blizzard to last minute buff it so its worth equiping

[tulip gorge]

hopefully not

[hazy breach]

(technically worth it right now at maxxed ilvl but ye)

[tulip gorge]

let catchup gear just be catchup

[hazy breach]

Theyre 100000000% going to buff it

Its not catchup

[vale pine]

its barely worth to use it, so unless buffed is kinda whatever

[shrewd lantern]

is it not an upgrade at 700 rn for sub

[hazy breach]

Its the same story as the ring from .7 in dragonflight and the circlet, its just a bit weak and is going to be buffed right before release

[hazy breach]

Like +0.4%

[shrewd lantern]

same as assa then

[hazy breach]

Well ye

[shrewd lantern]

gain is a gain ig

[misty tinsel]

in some situation we should use black powder on single target ?

[vale pine]

not rly

[proper latch]

Timed my first 17 on the first try and it was Cinderbrew. Playing sub in this dungeon feels like griefing.

[hybrid prism]

Just got a hero big mastery little vers roulette wheel ring

[serene notch]

I don’t know the more I play the more I appreciate what we bring, our on demand burst can smooth out runs, like kill adds on ipa consistently.

Also cause we have such massive down time you can ride the bees

[proper latch]

I do not kill adds on Ipa

[serene notch]

https://tenor.com/view/heh-heheh-hehehehe-lizard-gif-5447798

[proper latch]

I prefer doing dps to the boss

But I play with retri and udk

And sure, hobgoblin damage looks good

Did not use a single BP in the dungeon

[vale pine]

haha great

[heady shell]

if a enemy is almost dead and I have coup up I use black powder to just dump combo so i can setup my next pack, not sure if that's right, but its what I do

[proper latch]

I do the same but it also depends on tier stacks. Sometimes I just spam Rupture

Also unsure if it's correct

[serene notch]

I don’t know maybe when evis is out of range and your dodging a mechanic and you can’t get back to target for another few secs due to some mechanic (shrug)

[proper latch]

Sims probably count this as dps loss

I mean holding tier stacks

And don't forget that tier bonus is bugged and does not work with SecTec

[warm marlin]

well after getting to abuse the extra 5% sub buff one week now I will be unable to get the extra 3% damage due to the renown bug for this weeks raid

what goes around comes around

[hollow spear]

yikes

[hazy breach]

Next week you can get both

[warm marlin]

surely they just don't notice this time and leave up the extra 5%

[hazy breach]

[warm marlin]

"wow the delve belt is really good for sub rogue!"

[hazy breach]

Surely tomorrow is the vault where i get a single item with avoidance or leech

Rawdogging the hkp without any of them on a single item doesnt feel great

[lilac stag]

Surely by tomorrow they’ll fix raid rep

Fuck this company

[tulip gorge]

is there a way to prevent priests from PI-ing you?

like an item or something similar?

the clowns are invalidating my logs

monkey brain sees big details bar, that must be the PI target

[graceful crown]

i always need to tell them to stop using PI on me haha

[glacial hinge]

Cancel aura works

[warm marlin]

just got 1000 rep from LFR gallywix

[haughty mural]

Surely tomorrow they will fix clones

[lilac stag]

You sure you didn’t get 749?

That’s where is getting hard locked.

[south storm]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

ye yolo queued some lfrs on an alt

I was hard locked at 750 earlier

[shrewd lantern]

reminds me when i did keys as outlaw in df

and priest would PI me because top damage

[lilac stag]

Ok. Will try again

[nova cradle]

so this was a lie

smdh

[weary saffron]

Anything to report yet?

[wicked urchin]

I was able to get it fine just now

[weary saffron]

Nice

[lilac stag]

trying to see how fucked i am. Gally gave me nothing (it was what capped me at 749. vexxie gave me 400. waitign to see if OAB does anything. killed it before but no rep

rip, no rep for bosses already killed

[sullen hare]

Rip

[warm marlin]

yea it seems like any bosses you killed before the "hotfix" are bricked

I only did vexie bandit mugzee and had to leave before gally

so was able to get enough

[lilac stag]

Well I’m fucked. lol

cauldron and Ricky ain’t giving 1400 rep

[alpine wraith]

you got woofed

[lilac stag]

Canceled Sub

just done once time runs out

[alpine wraith]

big poe league this friday

and hachadinotwo is also geared now

[lilac stag]

traveling for agility comp with the doggos

LFR raid rep being bricked finally broke me.

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/kim-possible-ron-stoppable-disney-gif-8604762

[serene notch]

[lilac stag]

We haven’t had straw since RS bug. This was a really thin thread.

[steel wasp]

I created a WeakAura that plays a sound when I have 6 or more combo points, but the sound is delayed. Does anyone happen to know a solution for this?

[soft stump]

is this enough mastery?

[bleak night]

Felt relevant

[brittle plinth]

This morning there was a last minute prot warr rsham group for a m10 top. I was so excited but they took someone else so I got sad. Then I saw it was a different sub rogue so I got a bit happier.

[hollow spear]

That's the spirit!

[patent lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/goosebumps-goosebumpsgifs-jack-black-rl-stine-saveyourself-gif-4570246

[weary saffron]

just adding in here that rep works fine for me now too

https://i.imgur.com/cyR2LEV.png

was bricked at the 750 then just went and lfr'd the 4 I didn't do

[short radish]

!weakaura

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[short radish]

just steal one of these

[steel wasp]

Thank you

[worldly portal]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[red flame]

hey all, would this be the right channel for posting a log to get a log review?

[short radish]

do !log

and hope someone looks at it

[red flame]

!log

[lilac stag]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[lilac stag]

The opener is wrong. On mobile at least it looks like way too much time between dances

[tribal blade]

nice

bandit giving me the good stuff

[lilac stag]

Nice. I’m back in assa hell.

[shut ridge]

ngl i've considered going back myself just to zzzzz through raid but

i'm holding the line for now

[lilac stag]

we need the execute dmg for mugz

[shut ridge]

oh if you're doing prog on that boss then yeah

[tribal blade]

yeah mugzee becomes turbo hard at the end

[shut ridge]

I wonder what prog is like at this point but

surely still value in execute damage

[tribal blade]

yeah you always have a lot of deaths at the end

it's worth

[lilac stag]

This is my life

fuck blizzard

[tribal blade]

wait how

[lilac stag]

they bricked it on reset

so some how I ended up with 749/2500

[hexed sluice]

did you kill the dog

[short radish]

kill a boss

on another char

[lilac stag]

did

[hexed sluice]

scraps, in the venture co rep house

[lilac stag]

it doesnt work

[hexed sluice]

ah rip

[lilac stag]

company is a fucking joke

[short radish]

fuck

[lilac stag]

it doesnt work

we cleared normal ahead of mythic and I went my S1 warrior. got only rep on trash mobs kek

[lilac stag]

oof. @tribal blade .7% wipe. 3 of us have bricked 2499/2500

[bleak night]

fuck that actually hurts

at least you guys are actually getting him that low

[lilac stag]

should be dead thursday.

[tribal blade]

no

fucking

way

that's crazy

[fleet wharf]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[short radish]

honestly top of that list should be
Playing this spec. What are you even doing here?

[rocky ocean]

[fleet wharf]

I am a hipster masochist

[vale pine]

that would be troll

[short radish]

we do a minor amount of that here

[haughty rose]

can someone enlighten me on gems? sim says masterful ruby everywhere except helmet where i go for culminating blasphemite. top sub rogues i checked use at least 3 different prismatics and 1 diamond which makes sense since crit increases with every unique gem color.

[fallow nimbus]

Gems don't really matter

[steel jolt]

you have to check "replace gems" to sim different gems, but it's also worth noting that comparing yourself to others doesn't make sense because you aren't wearing the same gear

[fallow nimbus]

4 colors is like 5k ahead at best but simming gem colors is an endless chase for a tiny bit

[haughty rose]

i mean it's min maxxing. something we sub rogues definitely need lol

[fallow nimbus]

Min maxing starts at 0.2%

Simming best single color + agi gem then replacing 3 with the colors is +-0 vs full color sim

Like you can spend hours simming gem colors and every sim will have a different result

Start 2 sims at the same time, different gems, sameish dps

Wowhead guide has mastery/vers gems because crit is provided by the dfc neck, mugzee hands and rest of the gear

Trickster likes a bit of crit and once mastery vers run into the dr then sim goes for more crit

My gem sims say i should go for crit/x gems or vers/crit gems. It changes by the decimal of the second i start the sim

683 with gally ring and hoc

So pretty much a good chunk of mastery in cds

[tribal blade]

yeah it's not a big deal

you could legit throw in whatever gems and so long as they're not haste

you'll be good

[short radish]

use speed gem

[tribal blade]

i was using speed gem till i got this 🙂

now i can use crit gem and still have the same amount of speed

[short radish]

zoomies time

[vale pine]

oh nice

you speeding

[tribal blade]

i got a dagger with leech today

my terts situation righ now is pretty good!

[keen dome]

i got a kezan with speed, not that i'll ever use it but. More speed speedier

[hollow spear]

The only tertiary I got is avoidance on the vexxie trinket and I hate that one

This six week stint on sin really messed up my vault value

I hope I can just stay sub next season without inting my raid

[steel zinc]

Even higher ngl

Everything under 1% is w/e

[sly shore]

how bad is new belt

[haughty mural]

Yes

[sly shore]

say less

[haughty mural]

[keen dome]

Mediocre!

Until they buff it a second before launch and it's BiS until half-way through S3

[haughty mural]

Iirc it is in a pre buff cyrce situation

[vale pine]

its barely a damage gain on max upgrade

so ye

its less than 1% dps

[keen dome]

I'm fully expecting a full Cyrce situation

[vale pine]

same

[keen dome]

Trash until launch, then panic buff

[sly shore]

probs better to just stick with regular belt for consistency then

I'll still get it just in case I guess

[vale pine]

it is absolutely a

"just do it bc. there is nothing else to do"

[sly shore]

I haven't done the dastardly duo shit

or visions since getting head enchant

idk piss content

[keen dome]

duo's is so bad

Probably some of the worst content they've produced since SL

[runic trail]

I did it once, I don't understand it

[vale pine]

visions are just 1:1 the same content

[keen dome]

It's so buggy, it's pure RNG, it's clearly built around fucking matchmaking which it doesn't even have

[vale pine]

i played them in bfa so its not that exciting

still doing the cosmetics

[keen dome]

I dunno if I can be bothered doing two 8 mask runs, might just wait until near the end of the season and bash them out

Just tedious

[sly shore]

I need to do it for bike mount but I cba

[keen dome]

That doesn't take much time at least, mercifully

I'm doing it for mounts 'cos there's.. 8? new mounts. 6 drops, 7 with bike

9 mounts?

10? fuck knows it's a lot

[hollow spear]

They should just make the raven lord be able to fly and I'd be gucci

[keen dome]

I don't really mind visions returning, but I do tihnk they should've tried to do something to spice it up. Maybe set it in Dornogal haha, I dunno. I guess they want to bring old lore back for newer players, while being efficient with content design but.. Eeeh

It's just not interesting and it hasn't aged well

[hollow spear]

Everything after 11.1 has been quite a disappointment unfortunately

[keen dome]

Yeah, 11.1.5 has, to me, been a pretty big letdown on what was otherwise a great season. Season is still good, but this .5 step hasn't been.

[hollow spear]

The season overall is good

But it just lives off the success of the dungeons and the theme they put out in 11.1

Everything after was bad

[keen dome]

Nightfall, Visions and Duo's are all pretty mid to outright bad imo.

[hollow spear]

Visions, Duos, Nightfall, Dinars, Turbo Boost

Not a fan of any of those

[keen dome]

Nightfall because of how awkward it is, and how broken it was on launch. Visions are just mid as hell without any real refinement or polish and suffer from that. Duos is some of the worst fucking content, it's so broken and pointless.

[vale pine]

i still hope we get etherals as race in the next major patch

[hollow spear]

If I played in a higher ranked guild, I'd probably have stopped playing long ago

[keen dome]

x100

I've been helping some casual aotc guilds try and get Gally down and it's been a legitimate interesting experience.

Seeing how a majority slice of the playerbase interacts with the game

[hollow spear]

Are you some kind of aotc consultant? 😅

[vale pine]

idk the weakaura hell we had last tiers

rly makes it not so fun

[haughty mural]

I just use one of the shadowblade ravens since legion most of the time

[hollow spear]

Didn't play then. Are they a good replacement?

[keen dome]

Haha nah, I just know a lot of people who don't engage in high-end content, and don't mind helping them out

[haughty mural]

Id be instantly down 👌

[keen dome]

You should get the raven

[haughty mural]

I love the raven

[sly shore]

wasn't a problem this tier ngl

[keen dome]

It's a cool bird with a HAT

[haughty mural]

But I also don’t need a giga flashy mount

[short radish]

i use the rabbit for everything so i never have any issues of flying/riding through doors

[haughty mural]

And it fits „class fantasy“

[vale pine]

you now install a weakaura/addon to check if weakauars are up to date

XD

[haughty mural]

Based

[vale pine]

what a stupid solution

but it makes it a bit easier to have everyone on the same version of a wa

[sly shore]

and it works really well

[keen dome]

One positive about the visions: JC mount I get to make a load of gold via >:D

[vale pine]

i hoped we had the functionality we need iin boss mods, so you don't need this

[runic trail]

Been my go to mount since legion, best choice

[keen dome]

I use breath of onshawhatever, the bird mode mount from DF

I am the bird

[sly shore]

I'd hope it would be added to WA natively

[vale pine]

oh, that would be an option too

[sly shore]

check if export code is same

batchest

[hollow spear]

Bigwigs just lacks too many features for my taste

Shame

[vale pine]

bigwigs is great

but i hoped to not need weakauras for bosses, as wekauras is a performance hog

[hollow spear]

I turn 90% off and the remaining 10% lack customization options

[sly shore]

they did good this tier and automatically had the marker assigns in BW unchecked

instead of checked by default

[fringe palm]

BW is not really needed anymore its just replaced by wa packages

[sly shore]

you can disable BW

[fringe palm]

yeah not week 1 🙂

[keen dome]

I hate trash skips in pugs.

[round latch]

using murderous omen since legion

[keen dome]

My only complaint is that it doesn't have a walking animation or landing one

but it's such a good mount

[round latch]

yeah man

im yapping for a walking animation since forever

love the mount

all 3 crows

[keen dome]

I really wish we ha done we turned into

But I've forever wanted a small raven / crow form rogue mount

just a little birb

[north schooner]

4 crows not 3. They have a nice casting animation too

[round latch]

hmm yeah prolly 4

[keen dome]

Yeah, 4

3 you buy, 1 from quest

[lilac stag]

Yes. I hate it here.

[tribal blade]

boss definitely dies next raid night!

[lilac stag]

I’ll try killing another boss before Thursday to see if they actually fix their shit

our disc is back Thursday as well

[tribal blade]

that's rough about the rep being bugged, i'm guessing it most affected people who tried getting their rep before they hotfixed it

[lilac stag]

there’s what I’d call a considerable amount of NA players that do LFR right on reset (or normal/heroic pug). The time in que is less than 4 minutes typically for dps.

[keen dome]

It's such a weird bug, too.

What the fuck did they break

[tribal blade]

one does not question why blizzard bugs exist

we merely revel in their presence

[keen dome]

true

[lilac stag]

it’s more of a wonder what didn’t they break.

and they confidently put out they fixed it

1. Assuming you had an alt to rectify it.
2. It didn’t fix shit.

What I’m really curious is how the rep capped out at 749 of all numbers.

So you’re literally fucked by 1 rep

[keen dome]

I know it's just heroic but this means a lot to me that I've finally managed it

Best I've ever done in a season

[jade canopy]

he is locked in

[daring raptor]

Nice

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/im-too-old-old-too-old-for-this-shit-lethal-weapon-gif-17302825

[keen dome]

I also present this piece of art which I am calling "ode to pugs"

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-bob-ross-inzaynia-twitch-gif-998068232686353232

[hidden spade]

Are there any ways to not get stunned by the rik reverb amplication?

[hollow spear]

Now it's time to clean up these orange stragglers

[keen dome]

Ye, although Gally is a bit tricky with add padding but Locken is just needing to play better

[hollow spear]

I think I have Stix missing

And I just cba

[brittle plinth]

Almost, two of them aren't locked in yet.

[lilac stag]

Be Human

[fleet wharf]

he has a cast bar. don't be in the circle when the cast finishes

[keen dome]

this is how you do stix

Just find a group where nobody else does damage but is good at gathering the adds together

[hollow spear]

That's the unicorn group

Usually they all go hard on dmg and don't gather

Boomies especially

They gather hyenas on themselves, die, complain about tank, leave

[keen dome]

that's my casual atoc group

[hollow spear]

Do I really try hard to get rid of it?

[warm marlin]

no fk stix

fight is cringe

[sly shore]

get a ball, pick up a mountain of adds and drop ball far

then evasion and blow up those adds with aggro

[alpine wraith]

ethical

get all the hyenas and blow up the furthes bomb

evasion and dance on their ass

[keen dome]

Genius

[hazy breach]

Pretty impossible to keep aggro as sub though unfortunately

Unless you dont press dance i guess, but then youre not doing any damage so whats the point

[idle aurora]

So people don’t just dance sec tec to save the big cool down for a next pack always send all the time?

I have been keeping the second dance and sectec if mob are super super low just having a hard time finding a rythm

[alpine wraith]

no way my alt got hero energy drink

[uncut grove]

-+

[lilac stag]

This is why you don’t have alts

[short radish]

@warm marlin i fucked up and pressed cooldowns at the start because muscle memory is a bitch

_>

no parse for me

[hollow spear]

I forgot to pot during my first flag, same story 😄

[warm marlin]

don’t u just pivot and still do the flag at 2:10

[hollow spear]

I think you should. You just dance on the adds, then again on the adds at 01.10.

And maybe a naked symbols if cdr allows it

Are you casting your sectec at 04.00 and 07.00 on the adds or on gally?

That spell drives me crazy

[warm marlin]

If you cast it on gally the clone attacks will not hit the adds

If you cast it on the adds all 3 hits will hit gally

depends on what ur going for

[hollow spear]

I mean, what's the down side of hitting the adds then?

Besides me fumbling my entire rotation because I'm out of range

[warm marlin]

well sectec does reduced damage to non primary targets so u lose boss dmg

And ya it’s a bit difficult to cast it on an add and swap back to gally without dropping globals

[hazy breach]

Padders smh my head

[warm marlin]

I purely hit gallywix this week mr eleem

No padding here

Nop

[hazy breach]

You did more than me, but you also had +3%

Apparently one of our buyers want private logs next reclear so eta GG

[warm marlin]

I think our guild was talking about charging extra for private logs lmao

[hollow spear]

Still can't live down that I forgot to pot

Would have made a 10-15 percentile difference

[short radish]

i did but did less damage than last week

even with 3% buff

i need to hold flag for longer or something though i think

[hollow spear]

Next time pray to rngsus a little harder

[keen dome]

That seems like a clever idea, honestly

[warm marlin]

eh they are starting to feel like they don’t do that much tbh

Going from 12 to 15 is still like 2.6% or whatever but it just seems less noticeable than before

[short radish]

honestly true

[hollow spear]

The survivability gap between sin and sub is so noticeable, especially for a versatility victor like me

[short radish]

its like 112 to 115%

[leaden prairie]

double the price for sure

[hollow spear]

If you mistime your flag windows at 4 or 7 just slightly, you lose way more than just 3%

[warm marlin]

yes the flag timing is very particular

[hazy breach]

I assume its more but i'd rather not deal with buyers, having to do that is a headache and a half

[warm marlin]

And hard to do since your bomb deposit timings can change it

[hollow spear]

It's also a little inconsistent yeah

[hazy breach]

I just show up and get the bag

[warm marlin]

Our buyer this week said they were very pleased and may come back with more characters 💰

[hollow spear]

Jesus

Some people have too much money

If I had to explain to my better half what I just spent 500 bucks on, I could book a vacation on our couch

[warm marlin]

meh there are a lot of AH goblins out there

I very much doubt most buying these things are doing it with real money

Maybe I’m clueless

[keen dome]

Making big gold is time consuming but very doable

But that level is.. a lot, yeah

[runic trail]

I never understood boosting, like, surely you get no sense of satisfaction from buying your way to some title etc

It'd feel hollow

[lilac stag]

Lashga is learning?

[keen dome]

An ex-guildie (in a very causal aotc guild) bought CE ansurek late last season and I asked why and he said "so I can raid mythic" lol

[lilac stag]

On the flip side, they beat a different part of the game. They’re out there goblin hustling (unless they’re just running their CC to blizzard tokens)

[alpine wraith]

he wants to go undercover

i mean i know some people that have like 200m+ gold

[lilac stag]

which is insane

[runic trail]

Yeah but people would look at the logs and go, lol boosted, or if it's private logs you'd probably just fail trial.

[alpine wraith]

idk at my highest i had 80m

but then bfa corruptions attacked

[lilac stag]

Nah private logs are quite normal

[alpine wraith]

i made silly purchases

[keen dome]

Yeah, I just looked at him and went "lol okay"

[lilac stag]

but at some point you’re history is out there

[keen dome]

Zero Mythic kills, zero mythic experience. Just a CE Ansurek late in S1 while in a guild that had only just gotten AotC.

[alpine wraith]

that is when he also buys an account with past exp and links it

[lilac stag]

it funds players. Just part of the economy at this point.

[keen dome]

Ye

It's always been part of gaming, esp MMO's. Always will be. WoW has a unique ecosystem with the token system.

But it's just.. part of it. It's just funny how some people use it without thought

[lilac stag]

hof guilds needing an accountant on the raid team

[keen dome]

Nothing has value unless you value it, so to them it's gonna be.. whatever they value

[fierce ivy]

We could use one. Our guild always gambles internally with gold we don't have. Debt channel is clogged as player 1 can only pay player 2 if player 3 clears his debt to player 1 and so forth Currently 12 million gold are deadlocked like this

its joever

[leaden prairie]

[leaden prairie]

if i had infinite gold i would buy fully geared characters

for m+

thats what the chineses do

[keen dome]

Smart

[leaden prairie]

and iknow a guy that does that

he is rich so he just buy boost to gear all his alts

[runic trail]

If I had infinite gold i'd probably just try and deliberately crash the wow economy

[leaden prairie]

I see

[runic trail]

Just to see what'd happen, how low can the token price go

[keen dome]

If i had infite gold I would conver ti to blizz bux and buy Avowed

Since you can buy games via the Blizz store by converting a token to a BlizzBux

[warm marlin]

Maybe I hope too much that people aren’t actually dropping a grand on a raid clear

[keen dome]

I bought Destiny 2 Forsaken with WoW Gold. That was a fun time to be a gamer.

It's a fascinating ecosystem

[leaden prairie]

well

if you dont buy blizzard gold

its less tbf

and people that do that arent buying tokens lol

[warm marlin]

my gold now

[tribal blade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp4UG4zGorM

i know it's about pvp, but this video still made me so hyped and proud to be a rogue again

[upbeat cradle]

If I had infinite gold i'd pay 2 tanks, 2 healers and 15 sub rogues to clear the raid with me

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[upbeat cradle]

Preferably all small characters like gnomes or vulperas or goblins

Hamster deathball

[warm depot]

whoever can get the biggest burst in the first 20s wins

killing the boss be damned

[upbeat cradle]

Who cares about killing the boss when you can play the best spec in the game

||opinions may be slightly skewed||

[bleak night]

yeah who cares about killing the boss when you can play ret

[short radish]

sounds like a standard economy with every country in debt to each other