subtlety

[alpine wraith]

tbh i do miss when burst secuence was 5 to 6 secs

instead of 30 secs

it just feels weird now that i think about it

[cloud rover]

That Shadow Tehcnique procs

I see

[cloud rover]

With Lust its 35%

if you ahve 0%

haste

[haughty mural]

Oh my - I’ve read secret tech
Forgive me

Deepening shadow scales with haste

[lucid jackal]

Im being so fr tho

If u play sub properly the spec does good damage

[haughty mural]

Yes I agree (:

A tiny bit more power in m+ and we are super fine

[tribal blade]

@lilac stag

i can't be accused of being a traitor anymore

(granted this was first half sin, 2nd half sub)

[haughty mural]

Maybe fixed target sectech scaling would be enough

[haughty mural]

Big boy

[tribal blade]

wooo!

this group was hella skeptical of me hearthing out to swap

and afterwards they were like "HOLY SHIT THAT TECH IS SO GOOD"

[tidal chasm]

Where do you swap from?

[tribal blade]

after 2nd boss

since it's just a 3 pack

it's really fast, you make it back at the end of the pull

i play bleed iron wire in the first half

the trash is infinitely easier that way

[tidal chasm]

what's more impressive is how you can stay awake for 2 boss on that spec

[tribal blade]

haha

yeah bleed not ideal for ST

but honestly you're never bricking rookery on the first 2 bosses, it's always trash

[haughty mural]

Second boss is not too bad on bleed

[tribal blade]

first boss you can pull trash in to the boss, which makes it less shitty

2nd boss you can also pull in crushers

[wicked urchin]

it was a bad parsing week for me this week but we go agane

scuffed the first intermission add set on gally

98 on vexie with no warrior at least

and we didn’t kill sprocket in time

that boss is the bane of my guild

[steady dune]

My guilds still trying to prog it >.>

[wicked urchin]

120 pulls on sprocket and 70 on mugzee

was probably my second fav boss of the tier

gally was super fun even if it was on the easier side

[cloud rover]

Gally is a good fight

Just toooooooooooo easy

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-star-wars-obi-wan-gif-10973435

[alpine wraith]

they ran out of time for p2 and p3 abilities

like total destruction should have a shield each time on p2 and p3 too

[cloud rover]

Problem also is

Gally has like 2 Hard overlaps

Otherwise its 20 Seconds to react

and 1 ability at a time

[alpine wraith]

i mean if the world on fire was like HC rag on its time

it would have been way harder

you just have some L zaps

that occupy like 1/10 of the room

instead of like 4 quadrants that explode all the time

[heady helm]

me sub doing 7 mil overall monk doing 4.5 mage doing 3.5 maybe its just early morning shenanigans or sub might actuallly starting to be decent

[limpid sage]

this but make it 2 part activation so you can ramp the dmg as well

nvm I misread

[heady helm]

early morning keys are just atrociously bad

2 groups fail before even killin first boss lmao in 15s like what?

[short radish]

make it so you have to solve a captcha every time you press sectech

[clever delta]

There is no sub parses

Once the double buff was fixed nobody play it

Kinda sad

[alpine wraith]

not surprising

but at least we are above aug not for long as there are some gamers there too

[clever delta]

Sub dmg is good

I was topping or being among top dps on few bossees

[wicked urchin]

Sub is honestly “fine” now

And by “fine” i mean fine

We’re not the best but we aren’t bad

[clever delta]

But blizzard fuck up buff wclogs refuse to fix it so with amount the people playing spec i can aim only at Orange parses

[wicked urchin]

I don’t think it’s a big deal that wcl didn’t fix it

Next week we’re 2% behind what it was

[clever delta]

It's not the same tho

[wicked urchin]

How so?

[clever delta]

More dmg raid do

Less we do

To adds

[wicked urchin]

Yeah that’s fair

I was 98-99 pace on several gally pulls tonight though regardless

[clever delta]

That's nice

[wicked urchin]

My guild sucks at adds though so that makes sense.

[clever delta]

Are you delaying cds at pull or holding second cds to 2min?

[wicked urchin]

I cd at 36s

[clever delta]

Yeah that's one thing sub can offer

[wicked urchin]

We also don’t pull the boss to the platforms though

[clever delta]

I cba

I target technician

I was playing assa on progg

Hitted rank1 boss dmg

As we were overkilling adds

[wicked urchin]

I do too on both sets but it’s super annoying with the boss not being close

Skill issue but switching from the adds when they’re still kinda far away to gally without losing globals is a struggle

I need better mouse control

I have a super bad habit of holding left+right down for camera too much and i get disoriented switching targets

[hollow spear]

I feel like we're kicking early. By the time I have enough cdr to pop flag, the adds are kind of dead

[wicked urchin]

My guild kicked early and it’s super annoying

[hollow spear]

I've went back to popping cds on pull

[wicked urchin]

We started doing it later now though

[hollow spear]

I feel like I do more damage by just popping a dance after cooldowns on the technician

Our healing is just not great, we're falling behind if we kick later

[wicked urchin]

Healing or people not managing the lightning lines?

Our healers aren’t great but damage at the start has been smooth

but if people aren’t spread out properly in their quadrants that’s a lot more damage

[hollow spear]

Can't really tell, I'm doing okay there

But people just bleed out sometimes, maybe it's a combination of both

[wicked urchin]

i don’t even defensive anymore and i don’t drop below 80

[hollow spear]

The bigger problem for me is the 2 min window though. We're so hyperfocused on the adds that they're almost dead by the time I can start my flag window

[wicked urchin]

first cd set or second?

[warm marlin]

flag the add

[wicked urchin]

this is where i was going

[hollow spear]

It lives like 8 seconds tho

Is that worth?

[wicked urchin]

sounds about right

[warm marlin]

i mean u get full mastery stacks insta anyway

[wicked urchin]

if you pull boss to the platform the first set go off the boss

[hollow spear]

So you just sacrifice 4 seconds of uptime to get a better flag window?

[wicked urchin]

you shouldn’t have to sacrifice uptime

[hollow spear]

Flag uptime I mean

If add dies at 8s, you only get 20s of flag

[warm marlin]

if you sprint and step over to the add surely it lives longer than 8s

[hollow spear]

Might have to go for that

[warm marlin]

also your last 3-4s of flag are after blades ends anyway

[hollow spear]

The boss lags behind extremely hard there. Based on my vids, you hit adds for like 10s before it's in range for any cleave

[wicked urchin]

i sprint tricks and then vanish strike the tech

probably similar to my guild

[warm marlin]

yes u are def sacrificing boss dmg

[wicked urchin]

but every top log flags the tech on the second cd set

if it wasn’t gally i’d feel bad about sacrificing boss damage

but you just live and it falls over

[warm marlin]

my logic is that if you're playing the 30s delay timings you're already okay with sacrificing boss damage

its strictly to gain add dmg

[hollow spear]

We're already going into p2 like 500 million damage behind other logs (of admittedly better guilds)

Feelsbad

[wicked urchin]

that sounds normal

not just better guilds but guilds reclearing

first kill is way different than reclear kills

adds are also more of a struggle than boss damage imo so i don’t think it’s padding

[hollow spear]

Do you think it might be a play to cb the first sectec at 2ish minutes so you can get a use at the 3 min add spawn?

[warm marlin]

yes

i meant to do it on my last reclear

but brain lagged

[hollow spear]

I'll also send one on the adds at 1:10

[warm marlin]

im actually just going to flag -> cb sectec the 2min adds next time im going for a log

[wicked urchin]

i send cb on opener as well without cds

[warm marlin]

needed to line up cb for the 3min spawns better

[wicked urchin]

but you have to sectech before evis

[hollow spear]

Why

[wicked urchin]

it’s up for the first add set cds

[alpine wraith]

you get it back for second sec tech on flag on adds

[wicked urchin]

unless you’re kicking early

which you said you are

so maybe don’t

[hollow spear]

Ah yeah got it

[alpine wraith]

but i would not bother with not sending flag on pull

if you are on prog

[warm marlin]

ehh its a bit tight depending on when u kick boss

[hollow spear]

It's not worth it for me anyways

[wicked urchin]

i was the designated add killer guy thankfully

[warm marlin]

i flag so early that my cb sectec is at like 0:44

so i cant cb on pull

[wicked urchin]

my group i had like 2s leeway

[hollow spear]

If I play it the way Ryldd plays it, adds are kinda dead already when I flag

Maybe on reclear, if we even do that

[wicked urchin]

for first set?

[warm marlin]

if you're on prog I would just play cds on cd

[hollow spear]

Yes

[warm marlin]

unless you're turbo wiping to the 4min/7min adds

[wicked urchin]

first set i flag the adds

[hollow spear]

As well?

[wicked urchin]

i have to hold a couple secs but the timing works

like hold for the adds

[warm marlin]

do u have a log? im just curious because our wrenchmongers are kind of getting eaten alive

[hollow spear]

First set is at 0.30s tho?

[wicked urchin]

should be like 37

[hollow spear]

Our is earlier

[warm marlin]

ur kicking OMEGA late if its at 0:37

[hollow spear]

Thanks to kicking

[wicked urchin]

if it’s actually on the adds or on boss?

[hollow spear]

Well that's what I mean, ours are also getting eaten alive

[wicked urchin]

lemme see

[warm marlin]

i flagged the boss at 0:32 and the adds were already walking towards him

[hollow spear]

The ones at 00.30 I mean

Adds are always far from boss

Our tanks are allergic to stacking adds optimally

Same story on Rik

[clever delta]

I was playing sub first time there last week, I send flag at 4min adds and than i forget to send in between and holded for 7min 😄

Autoattacking boss for 3min

[hollow spear]

Sounds like something I would do

That's why I'm picking your brains

Need to get some mrt timers set up

[wicked urchin]

Mobile wcl is awful

[warm marlin]

according to logs all 3 parts of sectec hit this technician when i cast it here (i lie)

[leaden prairie]

nice ui

you dont have the font tho

[hollow spear]

Wat

[warm marlin]

thanks i made it myself

[leaden prairie]

i can see that ye

[hollow spear]

That hits?

[warm marlin]

I also did have the font

but it broke

[wicked urchin]

that still sounds slightly early?

[warm marlin]

ye

[wicked urchin]

idk how to find replay on mobile

[leaden prairie]

cant break if you manually override the files

[wicked urchin]

(also i’m drunk)

[warm marlin]

i think the font disappeared when i got rid of elvui and i cba getting it back

[wicked urchin]

my girlfriend keeps looking over and being like “you good?”

[warm marlin]

o shit

im lying

it didnt hit that techician

[wicked urchin]

And I reassure her i’m talking about wow stuff

[warm marlin]

lmao

i scrolled a bit far

useless add though fr

[hollow spear]

Was about to say

[clever delta]

That would be pretty optimistic hit

[warm marlin]

weird things happen on that boss u never know

[hollow spear]

What kind of crack is your sectec on 😅

I'm more impressed that you get your flag off that quickly

[wicked urchin]

i got reemed out for using a macro last time i talked about it but i had memory issues causing my sod to double trigger

only on gally

[hollow spear]

I feel like I end up pressing it more around 00.36 or 00.37

[hollow spear]

Aren't you using the castsequence one?

[wicked urchin]

yes i use a custom one though that uses sod and sd on the same macro

with only sod separate

i have pretty severe tendonitis so i have a ton of tension in my hands

had to figure out a way to alleviate some of that

not at my pc but i have dance and symbols macroed with sod on a reset of 8-10s

first press will use both but never trigger sod for the second

and i have sod on a second individual bind

[hollow spear]

Sounds alright to me

If you can manage to get that into your muscle memory

[wicked urchin]

Spent a long time fine tuning it and i’ve gotten shit for using it but

if i’ve been able to get top 10 logs (at the time) i’m not too concerned

works for me

[wicked urchin]

this is what i use

[hollow spear]

I'm usually fine if people have a separate button

People usually just have one dance/symbols macro and that completely messes up their second sectec

[vale pine]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[wicked urchin]

fuu i made a custom one

and it works perfectly unless i’m high on mem usage

that was the topic

[hollow spear]

Not a macro expert tbh

[wicked urchin]

might be because i play on a macbook now too

[vale pine]

its in general just not suggested to macro symbols and dance

backstab and dance is a good macro

[wicked urchin]

i have symbols separate

[vale pine]

the former, because you usually don't use symbols with dance for your 2nd dance

or lets say not always

you need supercharger on secret ^^

[wicked urchin]

i set my reset long enough where i can use the first press for both and the second press only uses dance

and then i use my separate symbols key

[hollow spear]

Is that why it's memory intensive?

[wicked urchin]

it’s not memory intensive but when i had high memory usage it would double trigger symbols even with the reset delay

if i pressed it twice

[hollow spear]

Sounds like something that breaks more easily for sure. But as I said, I'm not an expert

I'm usually spamming my keys, so not sure how a macro like that would handle that 😅

[wicked urchin]

it broke on gally but after i restarted i couldn’t replicate it

that’s what the castsequence reset is for

[haughty rose]

did we seriously get another time gated contet with that dastardly duo thing? at this point they are mocking the community no?

[short radish]

dont worry

we have another one coming soon ™️

[lilac stag]

content almost as time gated as the sub rework

[vale pine]

time gating is just one way to keep you engaged/playing

its very much the default strategy for wow

[lilac stag]

Think of all the social media engagement they get by pissing off players

[keen dome]

My favourite Duo's thing is it currently sclaes to youe lowest iLevel iem

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1380108084852162681/image.png?ex=6842ad50&is=68415bd0&hm=2a5cbb78251c51ebb4f175a2b32ced62fcdefa88a104b2141bd3766a12568ac4&

[hollow spear]

Dastardly duos is just cosmetics, right?

[keen dome]

yeah

and a mount, soem toys

as much 1/8 wabound vet gear as you could want

[hollow spear]

Sounds like a pass to me

[keen dome]

I try to be positive about WoW and content but Duo's is legit fucking terrible lmao

Barely functional, completely pointless content.

[north schooner]

they have the C team creating content while they work on important future features

[heady helm]

!rik

[cloud rover]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[keen dome]

no I play rogue but

[upper narwhal]

I tried it once on Assa, Subterfuge refused to work 90% of the time it was so shit

[keen dome]

Yeah

[tidal chasm]

Timegating stuff like Circlet is fine tho but timegating a shitty talent tree for very meh quality content that no one really cares about is pretty sus, same with this duos stuff

[keen dome]

I wish they would've done one thing for 11.1.5, instead of 3 very, very poorly executed events.

[upper narwhal]

But if they didn’t timegate two events over two patches at the end of the season you might have too much fun at once

[keen dome]

NIghtfalls' are fine but they launched in such an incredbly broken state that it was just plain trash. Visions are fine but are so underbaked, needlessly gated and still have a lot of hostile, old design that fucks a lot of classes over. They're not fun. And Duo's is so bad you could've not launched it and the game would be better for it.

[upper narwhal]

The 20 minutes of “fun” provided by duos is more than enough for one week

[keen dome]

Duo's clearly got designed with matchmaking in mind so naturally it's not got any matchmaking

And if you try to solo it without the NPC's then mobs will white hit you for 2 - 5m damage. You just die. And if you use the NPC's, you can't stack mobs in the score areas. I did like, 3 - 4 goes where I did the precise same thing each time and my score was completely random lol

There's no agency, no depth, no complexity, nothing.

[vale pine]

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[bleak night]

Delete this patch and give me brawlers guild back

[keen dome]

yes please

god, Brawlers. My beloved.

[cloud rover]

OH NO

MUM I WANT BRAWLERS GUILD

MUM: WE GOT BRAWLERS GUILD AT HOME

[keen dome]

lmao

[cloud rover]

BRAWLERS GUILD AT HOME:
Dastardly duo

[lilac stag]

Those devs left blizzard

[keen dome]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

Not coming back

[keen dome]

iirc BG was a pet project from a specific dev?

[bleak night]

why do people keep using that as a reason

yes i know how it started

literally 0 reason it cant be continued just because the original devs left

it isnt some occult secret

on how to do it

[lilac stag]

blizzard is very attached to their pet projects

Always has been

[keen dome]

Still: bespoke puzzle fights were so cool

Bring 'em back

[lilac stag]

ref: AH rework and no one wanting to touch it. Literally became a labor of love of 2 people if I recall.

[keen dome]

Yeah

[cloud rover]

I remember this

and got hyped

[keen dome]

Remember archeology

They could do so much with that but it's just been dead since BfA

[lilac stag]

Translation: no one wants to deal with another person shit spaghetti code on a pet project

[keen dome]

Tie it into lore stuff and the lorewalking concept. Have it be about finding lore and story stuff and leaning WoW's history / Warcraft stuff

[lilac stag]

so you’re rebuilding it for what? Stuff that didn’t get used a ton?

Ie sub rogue

[keen dome]

hey if we look at the collective /played then SUb rogue is gonna be up there!!!

[lilac stag]

welcome to wow development strategies

[bleak night]

update 1 thing vs make 2 entirely new things and update another thing

[lilac stag]

updating bad code is often way more work

[bleak night]

why are we assuming these people were shit at coding

[lilac stag]

especially when you have no one to reference

[keen dome]

It's not that they're shit at coding

[lilac stag]

Wow is a 20 year old game. It’s not the coders it’s the foundation.

[keen dome]

It's that WoW has an absolutely gigantic codebase spanning 20 years.

[lilac stag]

They hack the shit out of it

[bleak night]

then make it from scratch like they did this other two events that nobody likes?

[keen dome]

They've actively been working on improving the baseline and stuff, too.

[bleak night]

again this isnt a reason

[lilac stag]

It 100% it is. You just don’t like the reason.

[keen dome]

I think it's part of it.

[bleak night]

its completely illogical

[lilac stag]

it’s not

[keen dome]

I think another part of it typical industry issues like lack of retention of talent (Constant training and cycling through staff), stupid deadlines set by people not involved in development, etc.

[bleak night]

i can understand why you wouldnt reuse the same fucking code from mop

but theres no reason they cant make new things in the same vision as brawlers guild

[lilac stag]

Every project has a budget. Waste that time making a 3 week content pet project or put dev money to something marketable…. Housing

[bleak night]

the entire point is that it wouldnt be 3 week content

[bleak night]

like they literally said

[lilac stag]

they operate like every business. Spend as little as possible to make profits.

[cloud rover]

Well most people work there because of nostalgia

Because payment is just not good

[lilac stag]

Brawlers guild is a month at tops of use.

[keen dome]

Payment is shit. They actively exploit the idea of working for Blizzard to attract and underpay talent. It's been a big issue in a few big companies

[lilac stag]

likely weeks

[bleak night]

as opposed to the 2 weeks of use visions got

and the only reason duos will get any more is timegating

[keen dome]

CDPR was another that lost so much of it's critical talent after Witcher 3 'cos of bad pay and shitty conditions (See also: Why they're swapping to UE5 'cos all their engineers for RedEngine left lmao)

[lilac stag]

Visions code was done and working. Grand scheme of things minor updates.

[keen dome]

Yeah.

[bleak night]

and duos and nightfall

[lilac stag]

are just bad?

[keen dome]

Nightfall is the most interesting one because of how broken it was on launch when it's content they've done multiple times.

[lilac stag]

Plenty of bad shit has come out of wow

[bleak night]

are you just completely missing the point on purpose now or what

[keen dome]

The worst part about visions is they didn't overhaul that stupid 4 clone stun thing. it's so annoying.

[bleak night]

yeah that one is annoying

[lilac stag]

You’ve not made a point except you want brawlers guild. How can I miss it?

[cloud rover]

Only reason why i dont bother with 8 masks

[bleak night]

i think i run into it immediately

[cloud rover]

it just makes me rage

[bleak night]

ah so the answer is yes

[cloud rover]

if it happens at a bad time

[lilac stag]

so make your point now

[bleak night]

its already been made brother

[lilac stag]

BUDGET

[bleak night]

if they can allocate resources to 3 events for a patch that nobody uses they can allocate it to evergreen content like the claimed

what

[lilac stag]

they don’t see it as worthwhile time / cost

[bleak night]

are

you

not

getting

[lilac stag]

They didn’t allocate resources. That’s why they are broken.

[bleak night]

[keen dome]

They have no QA, too.

'Cos Microsoft gutted the entire department.

[bleak night]

everyone is gutting QA, im sure it wouldve happened without microsoft

[keen dome]

You really really really need QA in game dev. It is probably one of the most critical areas for good quality content.

[lilac stag]

S4 crap was literally 1 person

[keen dome]

That's a true point, Bel.

[alpine wraith]

they have qa

[keen dome]

is it us

[alpine wraith]

they just ignore it or get middle managers

[bleak night]

developers have realized they can release content broken as fuck and have the players test it for free

[alpine wraith]

to not give resources

[bleak night]

across gaming

new meta

[alpine wraith]

it is unlikely the devs want to release this content vomit

[keen dome]

Nah, not at all. Developers want QA. It's management.

[bleak night]

fair

[keen dome]

C-suite get fucked

[bleak night]

definitely a higher up decision

for profits

[keen dome]

Ye

Enshitiffication principle

[cloud rover]

1 Thing they made good

was Remix

[keen dome]

Yes, but eventually

[bleak night]

they can make good content still

[keen dome]

Stares at the frog incident

[cloud rover]

But it still took them 1-2 Weeks

[bleak night]

remix was good, plunderstorm was good

[lilac stag]

companies have realized this. I doubt any dev worth a toss actually wants to release unfinished content. Blizzard would need to actually budget and allocate $$$ but why bother. That just cuts into profit.

It’s like a big box retail store. How few people can we stock it with before we get robbed blind.

[bleak night]

even the start of 11.1 was good

[cloud rover]

Because of Crybabies

[keen dome]

S2 and Undermine legit good.

[keen dome]

I did like, 30 minutes of frogging and got SLAPPED.

[cloud rover]

Ye

[keen dome]

And lost so much more than I gained from it lmao

[cloud rover]

Me too

[keen dome]

Never going to let it go. I have a FROG GRUDGE

[bleak night]

the frog debacle

[keen dome]

Did they ever fix the skip in SoO breaking 'cos of remix or is it still broken.

[lilac stag]

Wow has a die hard fan base which gives blizzard & ms an incredibly long leash for fucking it over

[bleak night]

havent tried but i bet its still broken

[lilac stag]

next up trying to milk more wow money out of Xbox which will impact the original player base

[keen dome]

If I was in charge of WoW, I would have a dedicated (Albeit small) team who exclusively work on old content refinement, bug fixing, polishing and adjustments.

[lilac stag]

isn’t that their classic team?

[keen dome]

lmao, I GUESS

You aren't wrong

Except MY team would fix the garrison issue

LOOK AT THIS

[bleak night]

looking

[keen dome]

It's been like this for a DECADE

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

looks fine

[keen dome]

It wasn't like it when that content launched!

[bleak night]

its just ventilation

[keen dome]

But at some point, for some reason, the wall got moved slightly to the right.

[bleak night]

need proper air flow

[lilac stag]

Building inspections are a struggle with track housing

[keen dome]

anyway I'd have a guy who's job it is to go and find those and fix them

[cloud rover]

Maybe when you tuned down your Graphics Setting from normal PC to Calculator

[keen dome]

Hahaha

If you put WoW on 1 it becomes a chat client

Except when it has a memory leak and begins to eat RAM

[lilac stag]

In today’s age, you’d use it as a hiring task, have them fix it and then not hire them.

[keen dome]

Depressingly, yes.

Or they'd throw an LLM at it and the wall would end up in a different zone.

[bleak night]

if the gap is multiple zones wide you'll never realize its there in the first place

[lilac stag]

Overall status of wow

[keen dome]

Haha

[bleak night]

problem solved

[lilac stag]

which sucks as it’s a lovely game

[keen dome]

I want shorter games with worse graphics made by people who are paid more to work less and I’m not kidding

[lilac stag]

The Cow just getting pumped up with antibiotics and milked dry

poor Betsy

[bleak night]

i was pretty excited after 11.1

because i genuinely thought the patch was fantastic

[lilac stag]

that died fast I’m guessing

[bleak night]

had a lot of little details that showed how much love and effort was put into the zone

[north schooner]

this is for the summer when the wall expands from the heat

[lilac stag]

I enjoy the raid. I like the new zone.

[bleak night]

then they announced .5 and i was excited because the content at first actually sounded good

then they actually released the content

[lilac stag]

too much of the other stuff is just irritating.

[cloud rover]

You mean they released the Timer for the Content

[lilac stag]

They then release actual non developed broken ass shit

[bleak night]

me thinking dastardy duos would be 5 people fighting two bosses and having to figure out how to deal with mechanics overlapping and stuff

actually its just kill mobs in a circle

then auto attack a boss to death

[lilac stag]

yup

The best thing they’ve developed recently was plunderstorm

[bleak night]

yeah plunderstorm was well done

[lilac stag]

I enjoy delves, but those are well buggy af and brann is a pos

Island AI was better

and more enjoyable

[bleak night]

remember when they said there would be a new delve partner every season

then nvm its just brann actually

[lilac stag]

have a new hat

[bleak night]

hope you like him kiting into every pack in existence

[cloud rover]

Tank Brann

[lilac stag]

People love Brann. Can’t replace Brann. Best Brann ever. Never be a better Brann.

[bleak night]

or teleporting 3 floors up and pulling everything

[cloud rover]

Being useless af

and camp in Voidezones

so you cant attack

Or Healer Brann

[lilac stag]

I’d love to see subscriptions over the course of TWW

[cloud rover]

Watching you fight 2 Minutes for your Life doing nothing, and in the instance you die he throws heal potions

[keen dome]

Same

[cloud rover]

[keen dome]

We know they went up really high during DF and continued to climb.

But I imagine 11.1.5 has seen a decline.

[lilac stag]

Armin was/is the smartest among us. Finally said fuck it.

[alpine wraith]

he went back to league so idk

[lilac stag]

at this point, that looks like a better place lol

[haughty mural]

Not sure

[bleak night]

he just traded one abusive relationship for another

[lilac stag]

he’s also at the gym

[warm marlin]

ive had a lot of fun this season

maybe one of my favorite

feel like these things are often mostly unrelated to how good the content itself is though

[bleak night]

i think the base content is good

[lilac stag]

Raid good. Guild good. Still subbed.

[bleak night]

its just everything they've added since

but ive been enjoying raid and what little m+ i do

and i even still enjoy doing content in undermine for rep

because the zone is just well made

music goes hard

[lilac stag]

M+ much better than S1. Still just a chore for me.

[keen dome]

S2's actual, meaningful content (Raid, M+) is some of the best it's been imo. Raid is excellent, with a good vibe. M+ is vastly better this season.

[lilac stag]

S1 m+ was awful

[keen dome]

Yep

[alpine wraith]

it is just a lot of the filler content is kinda meaningless

[keen dome]

Sorry, I meant S2

[alpine wraith]

like everything is bad about it

shit rewards timegated

[keen dome]

S1 had a good raid but M+ sucked. I meant to write S2 above haha

[alpine wraith]

and recycled

but maybe we are just not the target audience

and a lot of people come back

[keen dome]

Everything is really focused on .5. Bad comunication, bad or broken content, etc.

[warm marlin]

as long as it doesnt have player power (visions dont count since it takes 0 time to get it done) filler content's quality is meaningless to me

[lilac stag]

Wait for the recycled sub rework

[alpine wraith]

if we go back to wod it would be cool

but likely they would mess up tuning

[bleak night]

idk im normally pretty high on pointless casual content compared to the average person in this discord but this stuff is just poorly made

[alpine wraith]

or our "burst" would be too strong in their eyes

[keen dome]

It's something I've thought about. But visions are a little too hard for casual players, and none of them are rewarding enough. The few very casual players I know just don't enjoy any of it.

[bleak night]

visions are mostly fine because they were already mostly fine from bfa

[alpine wraith]

top 8 burst

[keen dome]

Yeah

[warm marlin]

I enjoyed 5mask vision week one since it was actually reasonably challenging

that alone makes visions pretty decent filler content imo

[keen dome]

Visions biggest issues to me are they didn't refine it at all. It still has some dumb, roguh edges on some specs.

[alpine wraith]

i already had 5 mask visions kinda learnt

[lilac stag]

the new zone, which if I recalled was a recycled island, is great. you can tell it actually had development time allocated to it.

[alpine wraith]

mauybe one day i try 8 mask

yea siren isle was cut bfa content

kinda funny

[keen dome]

Yeah, it was an Island expediton they had the landmass, etc for but never got used. So it's entirely new content to players, they just did something common in game dev where you re-use assets or use them if they ddin't get used the first time.

[warm marlin]

i would 10000% prefer visions over siren isle

[keen dome]

Which is very very common in game dev.

[warm marlin]

what a miserable content patch that was

[keen dome]

But it had marmaduke

[lilac stag]

I mean it’s smart use of resources. Saves a chunk of world building time

[bleak night]

i didnt do siren isle when it was current so no opinion on it

seems fine idk

[keen dome]

Same reason they re-use the same few caves constantly.

[warm marlin]

killing the same rares over and over on all the alts to get the ring upgraded

or doing the same sleeper quests

[lilac stag]

shadowlands! Weeeeeee

[keen dome]

Haha

[lilac stag]

we’re ins the SL dev team story arc

[keen dome]

They almost had the Alt stuff down with the ring. Just needed the upgrade items to be on a vendor.

[alpine wraith]

i didnt kind korthia

but the last zone

zereth cuckis

was so bad

[bleak night]

me waiting weeks for the one rare i need to spawn

for the fucking achievement

[lilac stag]

there’s still some random ass WQ like that

Why!?!?!?

[alpine wraith]

nazak the fiend

has spawned 6 times

since 2018

[keen dome]

My favourite Korthia thought was: wow this si smaller than mechagon and has less content!

And mechagon was half of the patch it was added in

[alpine wraith]

let that one sink in

[keen dome]

fiendish

[bleak night]

mechagon kind of went hard

ngl

[lilac stag]

good luck figuring out htf Employee of the Month works

[alpine wraith]

mechagon with the tom tom alerts was peak

also me farming for the super card

[keen dome]

That whole patch was incredible, tbh. Mechagon, really good raid, nazjatar

[alpine wraith]

that i never got

that raid where i was number 1 of 2 subs

[keen dome]

Hearth of Azeroth finally being good and cool

[alpine wraith]

but guild kicked me

[bleak night]

i wasnt a huge fan of nazj but a lot of that was the entire zone becoming unplayable every time the wpvp event started

[keen dome]

Ye

[bleak night]

because some group would show up with 4 raid groups

[keen dome]

Overall I think it was one of their strongest patches ever with how much GOOD content it brought to the game. Something for everyone.

Like the Argus patch for Legion. Just a ton of stuff.

[cloud rover]

Idk Nerubar was meh

imo

[keen dome]

Ky'veza

[alpine wraith]

tbh nerub ar only had 1 very bad boss on ovi nax

[cloud rover]

Thats one Boss

[alpine wraith]

all the others were fine

[keen dome]

I will never forget my weekly pug leading experience of heroic Ovi'nax and shouting "CAN YOU COUNT" at the raid on occasion

[cloud rover]

Court was so annoying

[alpine wraith]

it had its things

was kinda cool

[cloud rover]

But my perspective is Mythic

[keen dome]

I only raid Heroic so my perspective won't include Mythic

So legit only one side of it

[alpine wraith]

you felt the progress

[bleak night]

i was 4/8h s1 until i joined my new guild and they forced me to get aotc the last week

never had to deal with ovinax

actually based

[cloud rover]

Like Kyveza the only Mythic fight on Nerubar that was cool

[keen dome]

"We break three eggs on the first. These three. They are marked. THREE. 3!! THREE!"

Naturally someone runs to a random egg on another slice of the room and breaks it.

I'm glad there isn't anything like that this tier.

OAB very early on in medicore pugs came close, but that was because of some fiend putting out a cursed WA that propagated

[bleak night]

lmao

Actually that's a good idea

[keen dome]

Just casually getting pugs to do Coin + Bomb as their second set.

[bleak night]

Put out some horrific weak auras that deal with a mechanic the worst way possible and just plug them to every pug group possible

[keen dome]

lmao, yeah

You'd absolutely get people using it.

Lockensprocket is the only pug boss that I regually see wiping groups now on heroic.

And it's almost exclusively 'cos the raid lead doesn't bother assigning people to mines and just tries to zerg it. So people blow up the raid.

[cloud rover]

Mug'zee

Jail incidents

[keen dome]

True, true.

But most groups do the speed strat now.

[bleak night]

I started gearing monk a couple days ago, can't wait to int heroic pugs as mw

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

Heroic pugging rules. Just the most demonic and unpredictable stuff.

[alpine wraith]

yea parses are dead

[empty cargo]

Greater rune of echoing void still “buggy”??? 🧐

[cloud rover]

YOu assign Bomb Player on Gally

Random boosted Owl

Runs to the second platform and triggers the Slice Denial

[keen dome]

lmao, yeah

I just do it myself most o fthe time

So many arguments and people not wanting to do it

[bleak night]

OK but trusting a boomkin to do a mechanic means you got what was coming to you

[keen dome]

Asking a BM hunter to do it "No I don't want to, I want to do damage"

[bleak night]

Based

[keen dome]

Trying to assign a Hunter to do mine soaks on locken "I can't do that, I don't have a defensive for it" "You have turtle." "What's turtle"

[alpine wraith]

[keen dome]

Nothing will top the guy applying to my group saying "I can do all mechanics". And when I invite him, I assign him to mines and he goes "i don't know how to do that"

[bleak night]

"Wait not that mechanic"

[solar geode]

glorp

[bleak night]

[short radish]

he meant the mechanics on vexie

[cloud rover]

!atro

[wicked jolt]

Atrophic poison/feint in Raid: > Click to open Sheet <

[hollow spear]

I think that's the one fight where I actually have to use defensives and pots

On others I just use them to pad

[pearl charm]

do we ever hold ST?
Lets say theres 10 secs for major CDs to be up, but ST is ready now. Do I hold it?

[warm marlin]

yes absolutely

delaying your flag window to cast an extra sectec (especially those without dance/symbols active) is not worth

[paper iron]

Main goal is to not delay cds, so yep

Unless certain situations that are very minmaxy where you wont lose à single cast anyway

[pearl charm]

awesome, thats what I figured. Thanks guys!

[paper iron]

But these are rares, hard to prédict, and as said little minmaxy

[idle aurora]

lol Jesus I forgot how hard sub is to play in keys XD

Do you ever hold the big burst and just use the mini burst when a group is almost dead?

It feels like if I use nothing group stays alive for an eternity but I don’t wanna blow the big dam

[tidal chasm]

Send CDs way more than you think, because you get a lot of time back in the beginning of packs by spreading rupture while tank is gathering

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach surely blizz wouldn't count using this to insta end xav duels in top as a bannable exploit right

well not bannable, but enough to take away title

[warm marlin]

take away title

[tribal blade]

hey they've done it before 😉

but with far more egregious things

than this

[warm marlin]

none of the flask abusers last season lost their title

[lilac stag]

filling out ToS breach as we speak

[warm marlin]

nor the fake raid buff abusers

except in china for some reason

[tribal blade]

yeah most of the outlaws didn't get it taken away either

or spriests

[warm marlin]

well

[tribal blade]

when they abused psychic link bug

[warm marlin]

none of the outlaw keys were actually title keys

[tribal blade]

i think some were

i remember seeing some

but not 100% sure

[warm marlin]

i think the max they did was 16

and title was 17s

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[warm marlin]

maybe if they did 16 grimba

[tribal blade]

yeah i remember someone on my friendslist had a 16 grim done

who had bad IO, and a random 16 grim

[hazy breach]

Would be surprised if they did, seeing as the garrison mistletoe last season wasnt

At worst its gonna uncredit your runs i think

[tribal blade]

agreed yeah

[hazy breach]

But who knows

[tribal blade]

it's not massive

this is the fun thing about blizz though, guessing if something counts as being on their radar as over the line

[hazy breach]

It still has a 30 min cd so you cant do it everytime

So its probably fine

[tribal blade]

yeah you can only do it max 3 times on the fight

if all your dps has it

[hazy breach]

Our shaman gets sent down always

[tribal blade]

lol poor guy

[hazy breach]

Enhance is good at killing the other player though so its fine

[lilac stag]

I’ve never not gotten sent down. lol

[hazy breach]

But i havent faced our dk even once

[tribal blade]

it's fun getting sent down as sin and just not having your entire hero talent for the duel

[hazy breach]

Across like 6-8 keys

[tribal blade]

that's crazy

[warm marlin]

i almost never get picked

doesnt seem entirely random

[tribal blade]

i'm sure it is random, just rng is a funny thing

[hazy breach]

Probably character id or something else stupid, like how old your character is

[warm marlin]

ye some character id shenanigans

[tribal blade]

i think the fight should work where you can't get sent down 2 times in a row

because being sent down every single time in 1 fight

is just super tilting

[hazy breach]

Well that wouldnt work

Since you have 3 people

[tribal blade]

OH

LOL

i'm a genius

don't mind me

maybe put some bad luck protection in

reduced chance to get sent down if you keep getting sent down

[hazy breach]

Either way its good for us since primwave instantly deletes the other person and it lines up well

[tribal blade]

i'm running with enhance and ret so they always blow me up

[hazy breach]

But ye the knife seems Nice

[tribal blade]

tempting to put DN into them, but that's just mega troll

[hazy breach]

We havent got top for a while though

[tribal blade]

my group has an 18 top to run tomorrow

[hazy breach]

Yes thats awful, then you lose it

[tribal blade]

i've timed it already but they haven't

[tribal blade]

don't you just love DS

what a hero tree

it's definitely one of the trees of all time

[hazy breach]

As is fatebound

Trickster is neat gameplay wise atleast

[tribal blade]

i actually know former rogues who quit playing rogue because of hero talents

trickster is the best one yeah

i timed 18 rook today playing sin until 2nd boss and then hearthing to swap to sub

[alpine wraith]

fatebound would funny if it was silly op only if you highrolled

[tribal blade]

i ended up doing similar overall even though i was afk for 1 pull

as the other 2 dps

[idle aurora]

This is great tip for me

I think I might be popping cds way too early in packs :0

[tribal blade]

yeah you can farm back cdr and symbols at the start of pulls

by rupture spreading

[idle aurora]

Well heck thanks fam I been backwards playing that

[tribal blade]

i have to say doing the 2nd half of rook as sub, i really miss playing sub in keys

[lilac stag]

Don’t try to romanticize our hero talents. kthx

[tribal blade]

hey it at least works well for sub 😉

[lilac stag]

How’s nimble fix working?

[tribal blade]

reeee

[lilac stag]

Smh my head

Don’t act like this shit is good

[haughty mural]

Hey it atleast makes it so sub works

[lilac stag]

imagine needing hero talents to make your baseline spec serviceable.

Oh wait

That’s me!

[alpine wraith]

im still sad unseen is not just something you can use with 4 stacks

would be so lit

instead of random krangled ass proc

[fallow nimbus]

Imagine we could stack beyond 4 stacks and coup would just consume 4 stacks, also storm triggering unseen. Man instantly best hero tree

[alpine wraith]

maybe next expansion they keep the trees and expand onto them

saving the big cool shit for sure then

inc 3 charges of goremaw

sepsis also coming back with a vengeance

maybe they even give us a finisher in the last titan

it is fun we have had same number of finishers kinda since 2005

taking 1 or 2 giving it back losing etc

[haughty mural]

Right now we have 4

If you don’t count snd

[alpine wraith]

yea imagine

finisher spec

and 2 of those dont even work with mastery xddd

kidney and snd

[short radish]

we used to have that ranged finisher that would be an interrupt as well

[alpine wraith]

yea deadly throw

it actually trucked quite a bit in MoP

they had to nerf it

it also used to interrupt even with 1 cp in WoD

you can imagine how that went

[tribal blade]

that could be a cool thing to do to sub

give us some ranged stuff

fits the theme

[warm marlin]

aren't you forgetting someone? 🔫

[heady helm]

trying to turn sub into outlaw

[tribal blade]

i'm thinking of like sylvanas

and also kyveza

throwing shit 😉

[twilit phoenix]

Season 3 we’ll get sepsis back and have a goremaw’s bite tier set

[heady helm]

sylvanas is a hunter

[tribal blade]

i always kinda thought of her as half hunter half rogue

that's why we got her daggers during SoD

but i don't know jack about lore so i'm just making shit up haha

[brisk onyx]

no way

[keen dome]

She has a non-PC class.

She's a 'Dark Ranger'

Insomuch as Ranger is distinct from Hunter.

[heady helm]

and in sod hunters got a quiver and a bow lmao

you better get right with the lore young one

[keen dome]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_ranger It's one of those special classes that we never get as playable but a few characters are it

like how Alleria isn't a Hunter, she's a Ranger.

[tribal blade]

yes that's why i said half hunter half rogue

[bleak night]

Fucking DMpcs always using op home brewed classes

[tribal blade]

oo cool

[heady helm]

all wepons are hunter weapons\

so hunters haveing a dark ranger talent spec means nothing to you lmao

you legit get to play as dark ranger hello?

[keen dome]

Yes, hero talents mean nothing

Because they're extremely half-baked things that don't change the fundamental nature of the class.

[heady helm]

i cba with your reasoning

[keen dome]

okay

good chat

[tribal blade]

hrm

i think you gotta chill out

we're having a fun discussion

[heady helm]

lol

your butchering lore but ok sure im chill just timing some 15s vibin

[tribal blade]

that is

the worst dunk ever

[bleak night]

Lol he got muted for arguing constantly in assa chat so the next day shows up arguing in sub chat instead

[vagrant sinew]

nah hes got worse ones in assa chat

[keen dome]

What's the lore behind trickster

I'm excited to hear the incredible and deep lore behind trickster and fatebound

[tribal blade]

here's my IO

[keen dome]

Not even 3.6k yet, smh (man this rules, you are blasting)

[tribal blade]

I KNOW I"M SORRY

[keen dome]

haha

[tribal blade]

i'm getting close

[heady helm]

thats awesome ill catch up as soon as i can

only been back for 5 weeks XD

[sacred yarrow]

xD

[keen dome]

WoW has some interesting history with playing fast and loose with their own class rules. You've got stuff like Anduin using plate + sword. But he's still fundamentally a Priest, and isn't suddenly a Paladin for example. But Sylvanas and the 'Rangers' have always been this weird niche that doesn't fit into a specific class category that players have access too

[heady helm]

i havent been pushing the whole seasons sadly lol

[tribal blade]

i'm honestly behind where i could, i'm trying though

[keen dome]

Something that's pretty funny is that most NPC's in WoW are either a Rogue or a Warrior.

[heady helm]

cringe

i have fans i guess

[cloud rover]

Also not only Sub keys

[keen dome]

Wardens are another one. They do stuff that breaks the boundaries of what player classes cna do

[cloud rover]

He Mixes them!

[keen dome]

Wardens can use arcane magic and stuff, wear heavy (plate) armour, use glavies, etc.

[bleak night]

warden class in the last titan confirmed

[tribal blade]

it was a lot of fun doing the last half of rookery today as sub

i really miss it

[keen dome]

There's also that one DH NPC who uses a scythe and has ranged attacks haha

She somehow got the third DH spec I guess

[tribal blade]

i wonder if dh ever gets a 3rd spec

[keen dome]

Who knoooows.

[tidal chasm]

If you were a real man you would do all +18 on sub

[tribal blade]

t r u e

[keen dome]

Trying to recall if there are any other weird NPC's..

[tidal chasm]

surely an opportunity for cool ranged class idea

[keen dome]

There's that Shaman tank in Follower Rookery

[bleak night]

ranged dh is definitely on my wish list

but i doubt it ever happens

[keen dome]

Yeah. That one NPC always made me wonder 'cos almost every other NPC DH uses one of the two spec styles.

But she's just there doing weird ranged attacks with a two-handed weapon. Blizz are typically very consistent with how they assign classes and abilities to NPC's.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Allari_the_Souleater

[short radish]

not maces and daggers

[short radish]

also the google SEO is shit for this but

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Allari_the_Souleater

use warcraft.wiki instead of wowpedia

they migrated everything over a year or 2 ago

some drama about hosting

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Vote_to_Leave_Fandom

[keen dome]

Oh yeah.

Fandom sucks

I keep forgetting to grab it from .wiki and not Fandom

[short radish]

fandoms really do suck

same tbh

i keep forgetting what the new site is

[keen dome]

Absolutely awful company destroying wiki's with LLM injection and shit.

The shift to the .wiki's is great, I ust gotta stop linking to the wrong one haha

[turbid echo]

Dual wield crossbow spec

[bleak night]

ngl

when dh was first announced thats exactly what i thought it was going to be

bc i wasnt familiar with warcraft dh lmao

[keen dome]

Haha, that would kinda rule

I still hope that we don't get another class, but instead just get new specs. I don't think that's realistic though.

I'd like to see all pure DPS specs get either a healing or tanking spec.

[bleak night]

i agree

but new classes market better

[keen dome]

Ye

[lilac stag]

Ranged DH. So…. Warlock

[bleak night]

warlock but cooler

[keen dome]

Warlock but you them with a sword

Death knight but in leather and purple

[bleak night]

but actually

i get that lore wise warlock does use fel magic

it just never felt like it to me visually

like chaos bolt is the only thing that screams fel to me

[keen dome]

Warlocks use Fel to power and channel spells, typically making a bargain or pact, or enslaving Demons to do stuff.

Whereas Demon hunters EAT a Demon and contain their soul within them, gaining their power.

[bleak night]

destro is just fire spec, demo funny pet spec haha, aff farts on people

[keen dome]

I wonder if, lore-wise, there are more Demon Hunters or Warlocks.

[twilit phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-is-farting-gif-21911333

[keen dome]

I have to imagine more Warlocks.

[bleak night]

surely warlocks

the draw of demonic power without needing to rip your eyes out

[keen dome]

Yeah

[bleak night]

dh were just extremist elves

[keen dome]

And the whole eating of a Demon business.

[twilit phoenix]

the best demonic power in the game is that one cave quest you do in durotar by the orgrimmar docks

where you get a debuff that turns you into the old demo meta form

[keen dome]

Demon hunters ritually blind themselves in exchange for spectral sight that enables them to better sense their prey. This always amuses me.

"I must blind myself SO I CAN SEE BETTER"

[bleak night]

there is a belief where limiting physical vision allows you to better see the spiritual world

but like

mostly you just wear a blindfold

[keen dome]

Yeah

[bleak night]

not blind yourself

lmao

[tribal blade]

eyes are overated

[keen dome]

If I recall the original lore had Sargareas blinding Illidan and then his followers doing it too but I don't remember.

DH lore is just really funny a lot of the time

[next valley]

How much of a dps loss is it to macro and blades together

I understand you shouldn't but how bad is it to

[tribal blade]

you missed an ability

[north schooner]

something something "now my blind eyes see what others cannot"

[bleak night]

probably why he needs the macro

[tribal blade]

TRUE

[next valley]

Blades and Flagellation, sorry lol

[tribal blade]

no worries! yeah don't do that

not good

you will always be using blades several gcds after flag

if you bind them together you end up not being able to fit your 2nd dance into blades

since blades is 16 secs and dance is 8

[heady helm]

2 more 15s timed this morning its a good mornimng for keys so far

I havent tried any 16s yet but they cant be much more different than a 15

i figure there is a bit of a difference at 17 and 18s are just a little jiuiced 17 then another wall at 19?

[tribal blade]

the jumps start becoming significant from 17-18 and beyond

everything else before that isn't too bad

[heady helm]

kk so tis no sweat until 17s and 18s

thats when ill have to learn the routes and all the skips huh?

[tribal blade]

yeah routing starts becoming quite important

from what i've seen the people in 17s and even 16s are doing most of the skips

this season is VERY skip heavy

[hazy breach]

Hopefully they kill shadowmeld skips

and/or allows us to shroud them as well

[latent finch]

Would it so bad if they get rid of stealth detection mobs at all so all can skip all?

[bleak night]

keep trying to make skips not mandatory and instead make them just as mandatory just more annoying to do

stonks

[tidal chasm]

Yeah kill em pls it makes for such cringe routes

get rid of dwarf too while they're at it

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[latent finch]

Make Races only cosmetic

[tidal chasm]

"races aren't that important guys, except these two which mandatory to push high keys"

[tribal blade]

i'm on the make races cosmetic train too

it's so cringe

having that much power tied to each race

[tidal chasm]

i don't mind the passive like 1% crit or X% haste or whatever those are find idc

[tribal blade]

i was dwarf since S2 of DF when it was mandatory, but i went nelf now and i'm so much happier

[tidal chasm]

but these actives which end up defining the whole meta are mega stoopid

[chrome palm]

Giving every mob true sight to fuck with rogues and then having the meta tank be able to skip it all anyways is just so funny

[latent finch]

And next season they will bring back 30mins insane ticking bleed on low cd and we are back to being little and chubby

[tribal blade]

yeah blizz can't decide what they want rogues to do

[chrome palm]

Literally every mob that is physically larger than like a male human has it

[tribal blade]

noooo never again

pls

[chrome palm]

Even in the raid when they added true sight to the mobs in the galagio

[tribal blade]

i get why, stealth becomes really strong when no mobs have truesight

but it's just ridiculous how far they've gone with it

[chrome palm]

Why even give rogues shroud if we are never allowed to use it

[latent finch]

At least there is a consumable for stealth not with mind sooth

[chrome palm]

And why all the sudden can we not distract bosses and certain elites

When priests can still mind soothe them

[hazy breach]

And stuff like the flying robots in floodgate

Cant distract those either for some reason

[chrome palm]

Yeah

So annoying

[warm marlin]

That’s not because they are mechs is it

[chrome palm]

Remember when you could distract the dragon in rise of moruzond and he would respawn so your group could skip

[hazy breach]

No you can distract the robots in workshop so its just

[warm marlin]

mobs too focused

[latent finch]

Cant you even blind some random mechs in workshop?

[hazy breach]

You cant blind the mobs in the first pull of mechagon no

Nor can you the loaderbots in floodgate

Both of which suck so bad that you cant stop

[warm marlin]

Very interesting flavour that mob tribe still matters in retail

Certainly

[latent finch]

Not the first one. But im pretty sure you can blind some random mecha doggos in the rp section.
And that blinds doesnt work on mechs while there are 2 dungeons full of them is nice

[tidal chasm]

as a pure dps spec, our AOE stop is a bit sus, out 'util' is mega sus with all this true sight, and we bring no buff, surely that means we must PUMP damage right?

[hazy breach]

3.6% damage reduction isnt useless