subtlety

[magic fog]

ty sir 🙂 I wil do ❤️

[tribal blade]

work on getting the cd rotation down

that's the majority of playing sub

and then the rest is how to get to your next cd set with enough resources

[short radish]

borealus

[heady helm]

howd that 4.5% aura buff feel for sub? its still dog shit huh?

Hekili follows an APL taken from Raidbots thats uploaded into the addon.......

[rocky ocean]

[brittle plinth]

The context that is missed when starting with hekili right here, CDs can't just go out without a plan in place.

[graceful crown]

If u use your cds following hekili when you are vs 2 trash mobs 4 example is not a good idea

Haha

[brittle plinth]

Having some faith in cdr is a tough lesson to learn too haha

Meant to be italics but oh well

[hoary bloom]

If you killed 4th boss you still get loot from first three ?

Or it doesn’t work like that

[latent finch]

If you mean in vault it does normally work like that that.A later bossfight unlocks the loot of the bosses before him but the first bosses this time are different because they have no set order which they needed to be killed. Not 100% sure but i think you need to kill one armed to unlock all the loot from the early bosses

[hoary bloom]

I see thanks

[vale pine]

it basically was a 9% buff because they applied it twice, subtlety suddenly looked competitive.
But this was fixed within a bit more than a day, so warcraftlogs statistics are now falsified for 2 weeks

but in the end, sub is better than before the buff

so its a win still, even tho we don't rly change in ranking much, still lower 1/3rd iirc

[tribal blade]

well i at least get to play sub in rookery now 🙂

i tried the tech to hearth out and swap to sub after 2nd boss in a 17, worked well

[heady helm]

why not just play outlaw? it does more boss dam than assa lol and has more surviveability than sub doesnt it or am i wrong?

[magic fog]

Selfkilling Spree

[tribal blade]

sure, but i do not want to play outlaw

sin is also REALLY good on the trash in rookery

and the trash in that place is pretty hard

and yeah killing spree will kill you real quick

[heady helm]

yeah lol

[tribal blade]

you're basically playing with an extra affix with KS

[heady helm]

ive only been playing assa and sub just making it to 15 keys

i mean not really...third boss dfc first boss rook just dont use it when hes in the middle....

[tribal blade]

every dungeon

[heady helm]

you can actually use killing spree to get out of dmg scenarios and stop casts that are targeting you bunch of ways to play it

wait i mean ive been playing assa and outlaw

havent touched sub it does tank dmg

[tribal blade]

you're the first person to tell me positive things about KS

no meme

but yeah there's definitely a work around, outlaw is doing really well right now

but there's 0 shot i'm playing with it

[lilac stag]

It does, but it adjust in real time to try to correct mistakes.

it’s always trying to meet the conditions of the apl and when you fuck yo the basic rotation it will try to force a correction to meet the apl.

So the more you fuck up harder it is to correct to the apl.

[heady helm]

ah yeah it just resets back to apl status when thats not the right buttons to press

which wil mess you up even more hekili has its spot for learning but you ahve to learn not just follow the addon lmao

[magic fog]

"During Shadow Dance use finishers with 6 or more combo points, use Black Powder / Eviscerate if prior targeting or if 3 targets or less."

So it is not relevant if I use BP or Evis on a boss fight? lol

[short radish]

depends

are there 3 targets or less on the fight?

[magic fog]

Sorry, I meant solo boss ^^

so just 1 target

[short radish]

1 target is definitely less than 3

wait

where are you reading

use bp/evis

it should just say evis

[hazy breach]

I played an entire rookery as sub

[magic fog]

https://www.method.gg/guides/subtlety-rogue/playstyle-and-rotation

[hazy breach]

Wasnt great, would not recommend

[magic fog]

Multi Target > Generator priority > 4

[hazy breach]

First boss feels awful

[magic fog]

that is why I asked 😄

[tribal blade]

oh yeah, i did the swaperoo after 2nd boss

played the first half as sin

it's actually quite fast to do

[short radish]

oh

i see how they intended to read

it's

black powder OR evis if prior targeting or if 3 targets or less.

[hazy breach]

I pugged it because when i saw this group in the group finder i knew they would invite me just because offmeta andies

But ye i usually do the swap too, figured id try the entire thing since the buffs

But nah, not it

[tribal blade]

haha nice, yeah those are the groups you have the highest chance of getting in to

[magic fog]

I don't get it, sorry.
Or do they mean like: Use black powder as finisher OR IF THERE ARE 3 OR LESS USE EVIS? ^^

[short radish]

yes

i get your confusion

so its

use bp >= 4

use evis <=3

[magic fog]

Okay 😄 now I get it 😄 ty 🙂

[hazy breach]

My sub set and my assa set has different daggers (rik VS bandit daggers) so i realized i lost my weaponstones last time i did rookery

[short radish]

trust a lawyer to write things in the most unfriendly way to read things

dammit stealthi

i still have ptsd reading trust deeds

[tribal blade]

oh shit me too

you made me just realize that too

[short radish]

that was 2 pages without a single comma break

[tribal blade]

1 of my weps shares across both specs

[hazy breach]

Gotta apply stones to bag weapons before key starts too

(or just change the set, but you know)

[tribal blade]

how big a dps loss is it to not have stones on

surely not enormous

[hazy breach]

Should be like 1% or something

[tribal blade]

mmm ok that's significant

i wish i could have tested more on that 17, but the arcane mage literally died on the first burn

but with me as sub, dead arcane mage and boomy running over to res him we got the boss to ~80%

which is actually really good with only 1.5 dps up during the burn

[hazy breach]

Idk you probably should just hit boss and res after

[tribal blade]

yeah that wasn't what killed it, what truly killed it was my tank fell in the hole lol

and then we wiped

[hazy breach]

Guzu type shit

[tribal blade]

not a big deal though, i have 17 resil

was just testing

would have liked to see the entire fight

[hazy breach]

Ive tried sub in a bunch of keys now

[tribal blade]

do you have enough time to get cds back between burns on like 18+?

[hazy breach]

You hold until you do, but yes

[tribal blade]

ok nice

it's worth asking your group to slow dps for you right

[hazy breach]

yes

[tribal blade]

alright awesome

[hazy breach]

Its not worth to pop the shield 10s faster

[tribal blade]

figured so

[hazy breach]

But then have to do another shield

[tribal blade]

yeah true

if i pug it i'll have to tell them before the key starts i'm gonna do that

and type in /p how long i need

[hazy breach]

I havent tried motherlode or top as sub yet, but man was it depressing in meadery and floodgate

[tribal blade]

yeah sub feels so bad in cinderbrew

and floodgate

big momma is so awkward as sub

[hazy breach]

Ye we didnt have enough add damage

[tribal blade]

yeah sounds about right

don't have sin just doing infinite add damage and funneling into boss

[hazy breach]

I mean if your other dps would kill the adds then sub would smoke boss damage

But thats a big if

[tribal blade]

they would have to do really big add damage to make up for it

that would be a sending cds on adds angle for the other dps haha

[hazy breach]

Im prob gonna play sub in DFC too just because half the difficulty of that key is candle king anyway

[hexed sluice]

Motherloade feels great with the first two and the nukes on the big HP targets while others are aoeing. Least in my group setup I'm always topping that key

[tribal blade]

ok yeah i think sub is good in dfc

not on overall, but on the hard parts

[hazy breach]

Sure but assa does that better than sub does

First boss should be like -1 minute playing sub though

[tribal blade]

yeah sin's prio is better than sub while doing uncapped aoe

[hazy breach]

I mean its still softcapped (or well, most of it, not poison bomb)

[tribal blade]

yeah true softcapped

[hazy breach]

Poison bomb is fully uncapped though

And it triggers spatter

Which is just ??

[tribal blade]

yeah sin has a lot of cool interactions

makes me sad

to see what is possible

[hazy breach]

And then for some reason CT is softcapped at 8 and not 5 like the tooltip says

[tribal blade]

as in it scales beyond 5 targets hit right?

so it reads like 100% at 5 targets

[hazy breach]

It only starts its slower scaling at 8+

Not 5+

[tribal blade]

ah ok

[hazy breach]

The "per target damage increase" is capped at 100% from 5 targets

[tribal blade]

ahhh ok gotcha now i get it

when i read whysper's article it sounded like it increased in % beyond 100

yeah wow and the disaster of tooltips lol

[vale pine]

wow tooltips in a nutshel

subtlety sadly gets the shorter end with bugs many times

[hollow spear]

Did you check if our bugs also accidentally got increased by 9.4% instead of 4,6%?

[vale pine]

XD

[proper latch]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[zenith prism]

tried sub in ML

[hollow spear]

it feels quite decent in my weeklies, but they aren't challenging in the slightest

[zenith prism]

https://cn.warcraftlogs.com/reports/myvAQ1CDPZgcW4Jk?fight=7&type=damage-done

very decent damage

[zenith prism]

that translation lol

[proper latch]

What it actually means?

[hazy breach]

Would recommend using this instead of translating the whole page with googletranslate or whatever

[zenith prism]

flying snowflakes

[hazy breach]

Ye sub should be solid, but assa seems too strong

[hollow spear]

they funnel, we cleave

besides doing more damage in general

[hazy breach]

Since you can have extra targets on most bosses its not even that much more boss damage to play sub. Besides the first boss that is

Big damage amp every 45s lends itself well to a 90s burst spec

Moonblasts boss died too fast so he didnt get the second set of cds, but in a 19 or 20 you definitely would

[dry plank]

Zero dance snow flower also cool name I think

[raw flicker]

@hazy breach , was checking your logs in Rookery and other "russian" logs as wells. why this "rupture pattern" after flagellation?

[hollow spear]

what pattern? he casts one rupture

[jade urchin]

does trickster sub have any talent that interacts with junkmaestro trinket like lingering darkness for deathstalker?

[hazy breach]

Lingering darkness for deathstalker

But otherwise no

[raw flicker]

it repeats after all the flaggelation during the entire dungeon

Flag+rupture

[hollow spear]

And what's surprising about that?

[raw flicker]

same thing on russian logs

[jade urchin]

thanks boss

[zenith prism]

stack higher mastery before dance

[hazy breach]

Whats strange about that

[hollow spear]

it's literally in the guide

[zenith prism]

flag is 24s, and shadow blades(2 dances) only 16s

[raw flicker]

Openner. not to repeat

[hollow spear]

?

we repeat our opener every 90s

[raw flicker]

I'm not saying that is strange lol. Just trying to understand the reason

was not clear for me

[zenith prism]

reason

[jade urchin]

to make sure rupture doesnt run out during cds most likely

[hazy breach]

You dont want to refresh rupture during cds

And you build some mastery stacks

And you want rupture up

[raw flicker]

but in my picutre u just did a rup a few seconds before

[zenith prism]

maybe just rupture on another target

[raw flicker]

yeah, could be

[jade urchin]

the evisc/black powder ud do instead does basically 0 damage, u just make sure rupture doesnt run out during flag blades window

[lucid jackal]

Rupturing while shit grouped

[jade urchin]

its a damage loss in the 0. % if rupture wouldnt run out

[raw flicker]

@hazy breach , another question: Are you ignoring backstab during dances?

like was recommend here : https://imgur.com/E4KvJih

cant see those backstabs into logs

[hollow spear]

that backstab optimization is mostly for single target

[lucid jackal]

Minor optimization that some ppl find annoying and dont bother

[raw flicker]

oh

good to know. thx

[hazy breach]

Sometimes i forget, sometimes my main target doesnt have FW so i strike

[lucid jackal]

and yeah

ST only

[raw flicker]

/love guys

[zenith prism]

doing that in single target

Eleem's +19 workshop

@hazy breach the latter one is mine. Which one is better

I learned this from liquid's rogue

[hazy breach]

What

[zenith prism]

He puts sod after backstab

[hazy breach]

It doesnt matter

Since sure you'd get the strikes to do more damage with rotten

But you lose uptime on symbols because of inev

[zenith prism]

Yeah, should be very minor difference

[hazy breach]

Sims say its the same

But delaying it requires more effort

So why bother

Also thats only when running rotten

If youre not running rotten theres no point to delay at all

[zenith prism]

Indeed, so for rookery's last boss

[lucid atlas]

when to bp in aoe?

[zenith prism]

should not delay that since we don't run rotten and inev

[hazy breach]

Technically when you have 5 find weakness up

But on average its 7 targets if you cant be bothered to track it

[lucid atlas]

how much of a dps loss if i decide to send only eviscerates instead of bp on 7+ targets

[hazy breach]

A couple of percentages at like 8 targets

A massive difference on like 20 targets

[lucid atlas]

is there target counter weak aura out there?

[zenith prism]

also more loss during shadow blades since nimble is bugged

[lucid jackal]

U can use this new weakaura called Eyeballs

[vale pine]

haha, thats a good one guy

[lucid jackal]

thank you, thank you

[hollow spear]

Ion already banned that WA

have to use their ingame tool

[vale pine]

we might

the future of ui addons seems undecided

[short radish]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[hollow spear]

PSA that these target counter WA are pretty heavy on your CPU

[lucid jackal]

Which is why just using ur eyes is a better metric tbqh

[hollow spear]

If you run WoW on a potato, you might not want to use those

[lucid jackal]

It's not like using BP on an 8 target pull is fucking your overall to an extreme level, using evis on these target counts isn't even a bad idea

more ST vs pure aoe damage

Just remember to BP on the huge pulls, meadery first pull type shit

[short radish]

its helpful to see whats in your attack range though

if youre not positioned correctly

again yeah yeah just use eyeballs

[lucid jackal]

I can also just use my eyes for that idk

[short radish]

it was helpful for oab

[lucid jackal]

I mean if u guys wanna load up addons that brick your FPS and thenc omplain about wow being unoptimized, go crazy

[short radish]

where i couldnt stand wherever i wanted to

but still know im cleaving the add

[hollow spear]

I'd argue this type of addon gained more value with them removing acrobatic

Still cannot get over that

[short radish]

yeah

[hollow spear]

sometimes when I dodge stuff and get out of range, my brain goes like "I would have still hit these back in my days"

[lucid jackal]

I'd argue that just having a rough idea of how big the range is is more than enough

[hollow spear]

Pretty subjective that kind of stuff

[short radish]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hollow spear]

I don't mind it

[lucid jackal]

What isn't subjective is the effect it has on ur fps

[short radish]

i mean you can make the "just use your eyes" arguement for everything

why use weak auras when you can just run base UI

use your eyes to track your buffs debuffs

[lucid jackal]

Because it's not the same

[hollow spear]

Why use a cooldown tracker when you can count

[lucid jackal]

A weakaura package that tracks your CDs or procs doesn't brick your FPS In the same way a "Target count" weakaura does

[hollow spear]

Just jesting, please don't hurt me

[lucid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[short radish]

tell that to my weak aura that makes khadgar appear and burp whenever I get PI

[hollow spear]

I should make a WA that whispers the priest "WTF?" when I play sub

[short radish]

i still want to make a weak aura for my retpal

that imitates the grieftorch WA

whenever wings is procc'd

[hollow spear]

Rets should have to play with payphone at max volume

(sorry for the ret hate, it's compulsive)

[short radish]

😦

theyre plate rogues though

[lucid jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTsaJRai24

[void ocean]

nothing to be sorry about

[hollow spear]

I remember watching JPC and Exile playing Sub there

Absolutely bonkers that

[lucid jackal]

Sub was so broken on that fight

[hollow spear]

Didn't play myself then

[lucid jackal]

Cuz the boss couldn't be missed

SO u just got even more shadow technique procs

[short radish]

good times

[proper latch]

I think sub is good in work and ToP

Change my mind

[cursive spear]

Hey I’m a sin rouge but thinking about trying sub, I’ve seen it’s “bad” in keys. Is it actually bad or is it just hard to play? Like if you play it correctly is the damage worth learning how to play it?

[clever delta]

depends on key level

in weekly 12s it feel strong to me:)

[graceful crown]

Imo is the worst one of the 3 rogues

But is fun :)

Its like is not worth even if you play perfectly

But im gonna try it anyway

Haha

[cursive spear]

Ah, not ideal. I’m just pushing 14s rn so nothing crazy, but I was thinking about going sub so I can be a prio damage class instead of mass AOE since I typically play with other mass AOE classes

[tepid trellis]

Assa does more prio dmg than sub does

[graceful crown]

^

[wild hornet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7zZTN69tFfRvQAkx?fight=246&type=damage-done

[lucid jackal]

Sub does more ST

But sin has funnel and more aoe

[vale pine]

additionally you can pull additional trash to bosses

making subs single target benefit disappear

[lucid jackal]

Yep, sin/otl are generally better in keys atm

[round latch]

Still remember when u smacked ur desk in apodcast like couple of years ago.Think it was during sepulcher,talking about the pirate

or was it more

like 3-4 maybe lul

[serene notch]

Sub is easily the best class, ST…..for the first 20 secs kekw

[remote eagle]

lets say i fucked up and cant send 2nd supercharged sectec in the opener, what do?
a) evis and then non-supercharged cold blood sectec
b) cold blood evis and naked sectec
c) waste another charge of symbols and send send sectec
d) reroll assa

[bleak night]

reroll to ret

[vale pine]

you just send cold blood with your secret even if its not supercharged

[remote eagle]

thanks, cause i was fomo wasting symbols

[graceful crown]

Always lineup symbols with dance?

Or symbols on cd and if dance is close, timing them

[alpine wraith]

on cds you use second symbols with sec tech

or the finisher just before

[limpid sage]

@vale pine sorry for ping, but do you know if Cyrce's Circlet value changes during a fight? Like does it change from 3200 mastery to 3500 mastery during flag

[hazy breach]

No because its all based of the amount of stats you have, not percentage

[vale pine]

eleem was faster ^^

but also, a crafted ring with the new updates should easily be better than circlet

[round latch]

[vale pine]

maybe you are able to drop the item

[round latch]

rly?

like a 681

[vale pine]

subtlety bis did even before the patch not use it in the bis setup

[alpine wraith]

circe works with procs but not on uses

[vale pine]

the +6 item levels should make it easy to replace

[alpine wraith]

like for ex suspicious drink makes it give more stats

but using House of cards does not

also void ritual too

[limpid sage]

ahhh that makes sense

I forgot that we don't have warr buff or monk debuff, so I thought maybe it was Cyrce's diff

[random hare]

not here to make anyone depressed or anything but

we were doing 30% more dps than every class in the game week 1+2+3

now we do -30% dps of every class in the game

so technically sub got nerfed by 60%, but in terms of scaling it isn't a blue post balance change

[clever delta]

does this count like rank 1 wiithnout buff?

[lucid jackal]

60% Nerf

[tacit pond]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[chrome palm]

Are you talking about specifically very high keys against unholy/boomie/etc

Sub has been pretty competitive for me but I’m not doing 20s

[wild kayak]

any1 got any vids on flag capping ect

[grave delta]

How come they haven't removed the 10% buff logs yet

[vale pine]

they won't

because its effort, and the falsified result is only temporary

so they cba

which is fair, wcl does not claim to be the best and most accurate representation

[grave delta]

no fun

[dreamy badger]

hi, how fun is sub on gally mythic?

because assa is no fun

[lilac stag]

Fun until Sectech misses because reasons

[dreamy badger]

nice

[lucid jackal]

Sub feels strong and fun on gally

[vale pine]

sub is a strong option for the fight, play it if you want

[dreamy badger]

ye will try next raid night

[wild hornet]

well we finally killed bandit and the wrists didnt drop

and my parse looks shit

[hazy breach]

Im not sure what youre asking about

[clever delta]

i brain lagged on galli and missed one set of cds 😄

[void hound]

great if you like blasting adds

[lilac stag]

so you tricks the dev voker on pull to kill them?

[upper narwhal]

The real trick is to drop a late tricks mid cd's, that's when the tanks least expect it

[timid rivet]

i've question, jastor 671 is better than 681 crafted ring ? crafted ring sim better but i'm not sure if effect of jastor work in sim

[lilac stag]

jastors ain’t great for sub

Mostly the rest of your raid is going to proc the effect as haste

the mythic version should outsim a crafted, but likely not by much.

[timid rivet]

Ok thanks for answering ! started season late and hesitated to buy jastor hero with dinars or just craft one ring

Will go for crated ring thanks

[lilac stag]

your biggest bang for the dinar is house of cards

After that likely mythic pacemaker

[vale pine]

you rly want house of cards, after that its kinda whatever

[timid rivet]

Ye i've take house of cards instant , just started season at the 3 dinars week so

yes i was like idk between jastor hero and mythic pacemaker because i've a eye of kezan hero but if u say that think i will go for pacemaker

[lilac stag]

Kezan at this point is only good on mythic gally

It will have some use unless nerfed next season

In week 1-2 of prog

[haughty mural]

Iirc mine got outsimmed by a heroic jastor in slice since aoe does like mastery more

But that was also a week or so ago

[lilac stag]

not enough to waste dinars on imo

[haughty mural]

That’s true

[lucid jackal]

It's good boss damage too (in the context of rogue)

Could have easily did 3m if I didn't troll cds

Sub good, trust

[haughty mural]

Always been (:

(In our hearts)

Enjoying end of season with sub after I freed myself out of sin prison

[void hound]

looks good

i need to try boss dmg

ive been padding relentlessly so far

[remote cedar]

what are the reasons for sub over assa

[hazy breach]

Sub does big ST burst

Assa does huge aoe and very big funnel damage

[vale pine]

assassiantions single target is not that far behind if you have additional targets

so it basically does provide similar benefits without the same drawbacks

which is why you don't see subtlety played

[lilac stag]

You won’t fall asleep in raid

[lucid jackal]

Sub will do more damage on a good kill timer at this point

Short fights as well

It's close in raid, kinda meh in m+ when compared to sin/otl

[haughty rose]

i understand that in m+ we sub rogue fill the role of priority target damage but i kinda struggle to always know who to prio target in a pack. is it almost always the one with highest health? sometimes for example in ToP at the pack between the two mini bosses there is one priority target to burst but it's rarely marked. is there a wa that marks the target for me even tho i'm not RL or do i have to watch 30 min guides for every dung and remember every prio tatget for every pack?

[hazy breach]

Generally the one with highest health

And if theyre the same health it doesnt matter that much

[lilac stag]

It’s usually the tanks automarker

assuming they have lead

You can get platter profiles for m+ that will change the mob color based leaving now property / casters / frontals as well

[tall oriole]

can some1 help me figure out why my secret technique did like 0 dmg ,cant figure it out

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QrKD2jGHfzZXvyaT?fight=5&translate=true&type=damage-done&source=106&ability=-280720

[lucid jackal]

Ur not on the side of the person logging

[hazy breach]

Ye if the person logging is more than 100 yards away the clones from sectech bug out and isnt counted properly

[hoary lotus]

[lucid jackal]

The damage exists and happens

But isn't logged

[hazy breach]

Its usually listed as its own unit but that doesnt seem to be the case here for some reason

[tall oriole]

ah ok

[hazy breach]

Its happening its just bugging out so its not attributed to you

[tall oriole]

[clever delta]

bro sub is so much more fun in raid

insane and actually did dmg on some bosses

[weary crescent]

Does anyone use First Dace and notice is doesn't start the count right away? Once im out of combat, I enter stealth and my first dance count down starts like 3-4 seconds later. That is a huge amount of time in M+

[hazy breach]

Yep its bugged as hell

The second pin in this channel has a macro you can use that bugs it out and gets you more uses out of it

But even if you dont get it every pull its still miles better than any alternative, since they all stink real bad

[weary crescent]

Oh i see, thanks. Does this only affect vanish then? Nothing we can do to get the time to start after a nartural combat drop?

[hazy breach]

Correct

But you dont need to wait for it between every pack either

If its like 1s you can wait

But if it hasnt started

Just go in

[wary cloak]

Are wclog stats still skewed by the 10% buff bug?

[weary crescent]

I am seeing the countdown start, and then the tank will pull. I will remain out and wait, but then the countdown will reset

[hazy breach]

Yes

On bosses thats the case

[weary crescent]

wonder if its tricks thats doing it

[hazy breach]

Nop

[lucid jackal]

Sub is still good post fix

[edgy socket]

Don't know a lot about rogue specs, whats the ranking of the 3 specs of rogue in terms of difficulty to learn?

[hazy breach]

Assa in raids is absolutely the easiest

Besides that it kinda depends on what you find difficult, outlaw has a lot of procs that does really fast, sub is about planning your cooldowns in advance and not screw it up

[vestal escarp]

sub mid

nightreign mid

forever cursed

[hazy breach]

Rare fromsoft L

[valid marsh]

anyone know why geargrinders key isnt showing up in logs?

[hazy breach]

It does, are you looking at a specific boss

On some bosses it bugs out and wont reach the target (and thus do no damage)

[lucid jackal]

I don't think nightrein is bad but like

It really needed like 3 maps

at minimum

[valid marsh]

im on gally prog and its just not showing up for me anytime i use it

can i not have any damage mod's rolling when i use it? Does that cause invalidation?

[short radish]

are you aiming it correctly?

like its showing up in details

bbut not wc logs

[valid marsh]

its not showing up in either

[short radish]

chances are

youre not hitting

[valid marsh]

i have to aim it?

[short radish]

yup

[valid marsh]

FML

[short radish]

this is me on sprocket

when i also found that out

[valid marsh]

it shoots out of the front of me?

[short radish]

yup

it doesnt go to target

[valid marsh]

D: ty

[short radish]

np

gl

[tall girder]

Wooo fimb

[random hare]

sub still absolute dogshit in m+

beyond bad

it wont get fixed i guess since its inflated in logs even tho it doesnt even look that good in logs in the first place

[remote eagle]

beyond bad is an exagerration tbh

i feel fine, pugging 15s rn and topping the details 90% of the time

[hazy breach]

In stuff like workshop its absolutely fine

Meadery and floodgate are pretty rough though compared to assa

[remote eagle]

i dont play assa so maybe i dont feel it yet

[chrome palm]

Definitely some rough spots like the intermission on last boss ML

To put it lightly

[wary cloak]

dw my m+ team already has me swapped to boomie

[hazy breach]

Smh my head

[short radish]

tell them that i called them poopy try hard loosers

[near dragon]

can i ask maybe a dumb question? We only start really doing decent AOE once we get flawless form right? and we only get that after coup de grace? so if im not getting up to that coup, whats best best to do AOE? or is that not really the spec ability, and SIn be better at AOE with slightly less ST?

[tepid trellis]

Form is up From multiple sources not only coup

[wild hornet]

Figured that out when I kept missing it

[wispy bolt]

just timed a 16 priory and was second dps. looked at my logs cause something felt wrong. i had House of Cards equipped from sub and my macro is /use signet of priory

[rocky ocean]

people before the invention of /use 13

[wispy bolt]

yeah i mustve been zoinked when i made the macro

[haughty rose]

How did you guys build your UI for pushing higher keys (15+)? Until now i used some whacky UI i built myself months ago shortly after i started playing this game again and now that i push higher keys i need to change that.

What addons are absolutely mandatory besides WA, MDT and Plater? For the latter i'm using Quazii's profile with minor tweaks. For WA i'll browse !wa

[short radish]

cursor trail if youre blind like me and cant find your cursor

bugsack/grabber so your chat doesnt get spammed with bugs

death alert because funny

gtfo

omnicd

scrap (so it auto repairs and you dont have to do repair hammer as much)

[sacred yarrow]

can cursor trail also put a mark on where your character is, middle screen? for when youre in the middle of 8 mobs

[alpine wraith]

for that you want the character WA

[haughty rose]

Oh yeah. i have a WA called "Ultimate Mouse Cursor" for that. Not quite a trail but still a life saver for quick target swaps. Before that i was like "Oh shit i should kick that cast. Wait wheres my mouse? Ah, there it is... aaaand it's too late"

[short radish]

i like CT because it has an option to show the mousegraphic even when right click is held down

because i have the memory of a goldfish and forget where my cursor originally was

[haughty rose]

yeah the mentioned WA does that

[short radish]

oh nice

i wish i found that one earlier than

[wispy bolt]

i have some crazy cursor that has my hp, energy, and gcd

[haughty rose]

also can show global CD's and other useful stuff

[haughty rose]

adding to this: is the DBM dungeon addon any useful? It has some good DL numbers on Curse Forge but i rarely see it in youtube videos

[tame terrace]

dbm or big/little wigs are fine

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach the biggest issue i have with M+ right now is how these aoe cc machine specs make everything so much easier

and then the rest of us are left in the dust with nothing

it legitimately feels like a massive problem

[alpine wraith]

we were about to be a part of them

then blizz decided LULNO

[bleak night]

good thing the interrupt changes made the game less reliant on aoe stops

[tame terrace]

we all collectively told blizz no

lots of people feared aoe kidney

[short radish]

yeah the 13 pvp gamers out there

[tame terrace]

the amount of resources kidney takes is so funny compared to all the modern aoe stops now

[alpine wraith]

well it is super frightening for them for us to be able to do the voker roar into kidney

for a 16 secs stun

mob going to take a nap

[tame terrace]

mob dead before it ever does anything

[hazy breach]

Absolutely

[alpine wraith]

they never learnt

[hazy breach]

Blind having a 60s cd when thunderstorm has 20 and cap totem 35

Or well, the requirement to have the stops in the first place is probably the issue

[vale pine]

one of the problems is dr and stuns

mobs casting the spell again if you interrupt it with a blind or kidney makes it fairly low in impact

and given the amount of aoe cc, you often end up in DR with your cc

[haughty rose]

not sure about the numbers but using CS during a dance window or "waste" CP for kidney feels like massive dps drops which makes me actually feel bad if i use them

also i hate that we have to choose between gouge and aoe blind

[alpine wraith]

nah cheapshot is fine

[vale pine]

too bad we never got the aoe kidney

[tribal blade]

yeah that too

[tribal blade]

IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO GOOD

[graceful crown]

"If you use kidney during stealth, it has 2, 3, 4, 5 targets (per CP spent) more but stun duration is reduced by 75%" or something like that

even that option is not bad

[dry plank]

Play tauren than

[wild vine]

Still dont understand why they removed it

[tribal blade]

aoe kidney as it's first design was super OP for sure

but yeah they literally could have made it reduce the duration to secondary targets by 50-75%

and then put it in the class tree

boom

[wild vine]

Exactly

It was easy to tune

[tribal blade]

yeah annoying

blizz has that tendency to just simply remove good stuff we have

[wild vine]

Instead we got a blind with high-ish CD that instantly breaks.

[tribal blade]

while other specs like druid and mage keep their infinite ccs

[keen dome]

more purple

[haughty mural]

@keen dome did you see the new ethereal model from the toy ?

[keen dome]

Yeah

lmao

[haughty mural]

Did it make you happy ?

[keen dome]

If they do the fucking Dracthyr thing to Ethereals without letting us transmog I will quit the game

[haughty mural]

We are getting there - much purple

Lul fair

[keen dome]

But that's a pretty intense model

[vale pine]

wdym?

[haughty mural]

That you only see shoulders etc

[keen dome]

Wherein Dracthyr form can't show transmog

Except belt, etc.

[vale pine]

oh

[keen dome]

If they do that for playable ethereals.. 'cos the new model..

[vale pine]

lol

would be stupid

but i think etheral would be a nice new race

[keen dome]

that said

[haughty mural]

If next reset the model also has new animations we will know more

[keen dome]

This does look like one without any actual armour on

[haughty mural]

Already looks really fire

Imo

[keen dome]

Yeah

[vale pine]

tbh i liked the older model more

it had more charm

[keen dome]

It did

But this looks really likely for a player base, imo

You can already see some obvious customisation options like the head bandage shape, etc

And you could layer armour on top

[haughty mural]

I like that one a lot, it’s really polished and has more res

More detail also

[keen dome]

there's quite a few models it cycles through

Entirely possible they are never getting added as playable and these are all models from the eventual 11.2 raid but

it's cool to see

[haughty mural]

Ya true

[limpid sage]

looks like it has bis rogue racial

[cursive vapor]

if sub would be a race:

[keen dome]

If they give me a cool ethereal, and let me be purple, I'll be happy again

[cursive vapor]

I'd already be happy with a next rogue tier set like this

[haughty mural]

If only nighthold mythic set would be purple

That would fit

Btw anyone else experienced tfd timer is less buggy/ resets not as much anymore ?

Maybe just my los game is better

[hollow spear]

How come you don't play Arcane Mage?

Cannot get much more purple than that

[keen dome]

Rogue for life

[sly shore]

surrounded by 5% extra damage abusers smh

[hollow spear]

Could have been rank 4 ig

[leaden prairie]

bro lost to the sussy guy

[sly shore]

he's a hacker

they all are

[haughty mural]

Abuser smh my head

[alpine wraith]

dont worry in 2 weeks we get another parse reset

i love random buffs every week or two

and we also get belt

and it even goes up in ilvl every week

[sly shore]

idk parsing is dead in this raid anyway

if your raid actively does less aoe you parse

it's that simple

you need to be in some rat alt raid being the only 683 character in a 670 raid

[warm marlin]

raid earlier noob!

[sly shore]

😏

[warm marlin]

nice vexie though

I think the 10% ones can be beaten

[sly shore]

if you're allowed to intermission pad yeah

or bikes close to bos

boss

[warm marlin]

im gonna int my vexie next week trying tech

i will test it

[void ocean]

mornin kings, what r we cooking

[short radish]

curry

[keen dome]

What kind

[vale pine]

thats on wcl sadly

[tame agate]

!wa

[slim field]

Hey fellas, a quick question, if my flag+blades is off cd in 30 secs, and i have 1 dance ready, do i hold it or use it?

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[tame agate]

Sent it gotta be back within the 30s.

[slim field]

cheers

[hardy snow]

depends on the other dance's remaining cd

[slim field]

please explain further

how much is enough to hold or to spend

[hazy breach]

You need roughly 35s left on your second dance charge when you press flag to be able to use two dances back to back in blades

[slim field]

to give more details for my dilemma, i know you ideally need two dances for flag+blades, because all the juice comes from 2nd dance with full flag stacks

[hazy breach]

If you dont have that by the time flag is ready you probably sent too much earlier

That means stopping roughly 30s before

But again, if you for some reason have 2 charges of dance 30s before flag, you can send, because you will have enough time to get it back

[hardy snow]

you need 2 dances for your flag+blade, meaning your cd at the time you enter your dance with flag+dance should be ~>1.5
if you're considering using one dance with 30s til flag+dance, you would probably have one dance refreshed.
Thus, at the time of 30s to flag+blade, if your dance is close or more ready to 1.5 dance, you are good to go.

[slim field]

This is understandable

[slim field]

1,5 dances, got it

i need 1.5 dances ready when starting flag+blades, so if i wont have it in 30 sec prior to F+SB cd then i wait, if will have it, then i spend

[hardy snow]

I personally have a WA calculating how many finishers needed for a dance's CD rather than 60s. So I simply send it with 1 dance with 4 finishers needed.

[sacred yarrow]

fuck man I just raw dog math during the fight. I need to get some of those WAs too

[slim field]

well you kinda always has it in your head, full cp finisher gives 9 sec, charged full cp gives 13 sec

Sorry, Coup gives 13

charged gives 10

[hardy snow]

1.5 is a bit conservative
you can run it with dummies and see how it goes.
I believe @hazy breach 's 1+35s remaining would be more accurate due to 30s you could possibly do more stuff.

[hazy breach]

I mean sectech gets reduced by 1s per cp spent

Dance is 0.5s per cp spent

[slim field]

omg, u are right, sorry

Thank you all guys!

[hardy snow]

always glad to help Sub players, no matter who introduced you into this spec tho.

[hazy breach]

With decent sht with windfury its feasible to do it at 40 as well, but if you miss (ie dont get procs) and get forced to evis outside of dance its

[warm marlin]

that evis will always lose all tier stacks

guaranteed

[slim field]

haha

[hollow spear]

Yep

There's a hidden debuff that makes it 100% chance to reset tier

Trust me

[slim field]

casino always wins

[hardy snow]

That's why whenever you coup outside and didn't lose stacks, just rupt until your dance.
When you win, you take it with you.

[hollow spear]

We're talking about the situation where you can't dance back to back within blades

[slim field]

Some people say its arguable to play around it, but i assume the higher the ilvl and with stacked kezan+house of cards, its still worth it

[hollow spear]

Because of being to greedy when sending flag

[slim field]

I love sub so much, its class fantasy fills me so well

[hollow spear]

The only way you play around it is 10s-15s before flag, you don't send finishers or only ruptures if you need cdr

And even that is debatable

[slim field]

point noted, ty

[hollow spear]

@hazy breach I think the sim wasn't conclusive about that "optimisation"?

[hazy breach]

If you need to finish youd rather evis

If you have the cdr you just sit when its at like 10s

(just sit meaning you keep spamming backstab but dont finish)

[slim field]

We get quicker casino charges inside dance, right?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[slim field]

If so, 2nd dance with crit sectech is always full casino stacks?

[hazy breach]

Not necessarily

But also the shadow part of the tier doesnt work on sectech anyway most of the time

[hollow spear]

I've ended flag windows at 6 when I got unlucky and reset right before

[hardy snow]

my experience is with TFD, you get like 6 from 0 in one and you have a smooth 2nd dance

[hollow spear]

Quite unlucky, but not impossible

[slim field]

I see, cheers to all, back to testing

[hollow spear]

Not a fan of this tier set at all

[graceful crown]

yeah.... me too

last one was better

i hope next one is a little less rng

[hardy snow]

sometimes, it feels any other spec's similar but not the same mechanism for winning streak is probably better

[hazy breach]

Most are not great

Unholy is the clear exception

[graceful crown]

usually there's a payoff to the others, like for survival receiving a 400% damage increase to their next mongoose bite, which is so fun once you get the aoe proc on it

with sub you kind of just.... lose damage if you eviscerate weird

[hollow spear]

I rnged myself to a 100 on heroic sprock once because I got two back to back flag windows where I went into them with 8 stacks

[hazy breach]

Unholys 4p translated to sub would be like "casting shadow dance grants 10 stacks of Winning Streak and it no longer has a chance to reset while its active"

Its like exactly what we would want in every tier set

[hollow spear]

Yeah, just do that and then balance around it

Instead of this "it makes you feel bad" stuff

[hardy snow]

i thought that would be increase your next secTech by 200% and then other abilities for 45%? not bad for sub

[graceful crown]

that'd be so sexy ngl

i already crit for 24 mil 3 times on big momma in floodgate

imagine with 200 % increase

[hollow spear]

Don't think a 200% sectec increase would be equal

Sectec is like 20-25% of our dps rn?

[short radish]

japanese curry

[hardy snow]

not in aoe

[short radish]

the secret ingredient is coffee

[hollow spear]

Yeah of course, but it'd impact st also

[keen dome]

Fuck yeah

Good choice, I should make some of that. I've got some java cubes

[hollow spear]

We've decided to make pasta with pesto tonight, some real high level cheffing

[short radish]

ye

[keen dome]

Pesto rules

[short radish]

as long as its instant coffee

its good

[proper latch]

Can coup ticks consume CB?

[hardy snow]

on the second thought, Sub would enjoy jackpot mechanism better, maybe

[hollow spear]

Do you notice the coffee a lot tastewise?

[short radish]

no you dont taste it at all

well

you dont taste coffee

but it brings out the taste of the curry better

[hollow spear]

4 set: upon reaching 8 stacks, turn into Kyveza, removing sectec's target cap and increasing its damage by 50%

(maybe only during shadow blades)

[short radish]

just dont use the super bitter shit

you use regular instant

[hardy snow]

whenever you gain stacks beyond max or lose stacks for 8 stacks, your next sectech summons one more shadow clone

[slim field]

Can someone share the WA that shows Sectech damage done?

Its a good indicator to show whether u made more or less mistakes when managing burst rotation

and i was wondering is there a sequence macro that will do 1 sectech without coldblood and then 2nd after a while with it? Else u then need either remove coldblood from sechtech macro or use two binds for 2 types of sectech

[native hawk]

sequence macro will make u send a random cd sectech during a dance outside of flag & blades

(if one does work)

[warm marlin]

i play to always go into flag with 8 tier set stacks

and coup

it might be slightly unoptimal but it feels good

[haughty rose]

is there a way to make all the individual symbols in Fuu's WA bigger?

for some reason i can only change the height but not the widtht

[hollow spear]

Pls no, it's already krangled with two clones

[slim field]

Another good point mentioned by Shindigg, big thanks to his guide, is to treat ColdBlood more as a 1.5 cooldown ability, rather than its actual 45s cooldown. I think that answers my dilemma of 2 binds or macros

[hardy snow]

actually in other words, you use CB in burst and then you activate it on cd til next burst

[slim field]

yes, simply somwhere in a next dance, it also answers to a question where should i put my dance before burst phase

put it somewhere when CB comes off cd

So CB needs to be contolled manually rather than paired with sectech, which is fine, a matter of getting used to it

[bleak night]

Ngl I don't bother using cb between cds because I don't trust myself not to mess it up lmao

[hardy snow]

usually, its cd gets ready out of everything but you still just use it so you dont waste it fwiw

[brave moth]

Echoing void fixed ?

[round latch]

afaik no

[brave moth]

Welp gushing wound till next patch it will be then

[haughty mural]

Or TD for the vibes and visuals

And for the mayhem it causes when it pulls (:

[hollow spear]

Odds are that they just won't fix void

[bleak night]

They tried once good enough

Can't expect much more from small indie company

[short radish]

based feelcraft enjoyer

[warm marlin]

no one is going to catch me dead pressing black powder with 15s left on flag and losing all my tier stacks for 500k damage

[graceful crown]

boh the change from main outlaw to sub is awesome is another character haha

for 4 months playing the same is a cool change

[graceful crown]

alternative for signet? hate when it doesnt lineup with my cds

i need HoC

[tribal blade]

the pvp trinket works too

[graceful crown]

thanks

[haughty mural]

Signet really sucks in here

[brittle plinth]

PvP trinket is pretty solid

[brittle plinth]

Bloodmallet is a good resource to get a general feel for trinkets before you get to specific sims

[tribal blade]

signet is really bad for sub

basically becomes a 3 min cd trinket

[brittle plinth]

Funhouse lens often overlooked and underappreciated

[hazy breach]

A burst of haste aint great unfortunately

[tribal blade]

@hazy breach finally playing cleave

was practicing it today in a few keys

the prio is ridiculous

1st boss of 17 rook

unfortunately couldn't test more because every key was brick city haha

[hazy breach]

You know the boomie is starfalling too

Not only to make the boss take longer but also to make you get less funnel

"minus 1:30 cuz chicken is pig"
-famous jordanian proverb

[tribal blade]

LOL so true

[lilac stag]

Excuse me sir. This is a sub rogue channel.

oh wait. Keys. Carry on.

[tribal blade]

hahaaaa

[oblique grove]

Is there a bugs command

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[oblique grove]

Yessir

[haughty mural]

[hollow spear]

You could probably napkin math this out quite easily without the bot, just based on the average value of a BP/Evis outside of buffs.

The only thing you'd have to drop is the technical value of the CDR you're missing out of (if you are just backstabbing and not re-rupturing).

[short radish]

i just re-rupture

[warm marlin]

i do just spam rupture ye

[hollow spear]

There's even a little value in re-rupturing if it helps you get a finality one up before flag 😄

[warm marlin]

backstab soup

[haughty mural]

What a timeline

[warm marlin]

im sure on average the sim might find that casting 1-2 BPs is worth it since the chance to drop tier is relatively low

and you stack it decently fast in cds anyway

[short radish]

it'd be interesting to see the damage variance between

rupture spam if on 4 stacks and above + 15 seconds on flag
rupture spam if on 4 stacks and above + 10 seconds on flag
play the game like a normal human and go into flag/blades with 0 stacks
play the game like a normal human and go into flag/blades with 4 stacks
play the game like a normal human and go into flag/blades with 8 stacks

[hollow spear]

Lost damage due to rupture spam: 800k
Lost will of life due to tier stacks going to 0: priceless

[short radish]

but i know nothing about writing simc shit

[short radish]

💯

every time my tier set goes to 0 just before im about to flag

i go "never again"

and then i do it again because i think i can high roll

[hollow spear]

until you do it again

[short radish]

[hollow spear]

my life in a nutshell

[tribal blade]

probably just change the 15 secs to like 10 or something

before cds

[warm marlin]

classic ass damage breakdown during that timeline

[tribal blade]

15 secs out seem like a long time

[short radish]

yeah i normally do 10ish

or 2 flag casts

[hollow spear]

15 seconds feel like a long time if you play sub outside of cooldowns

[short radish]

but like

[tribal blade]

bro our tier set is just awful to play around lol

[short radish]

okay thats 2 eviscerates

how much damage are you really losing from 2 eviscerates

[tribal blade]

it was cool when it was huge numbers, but not anymore

[warm marlin]

I will do ruptures from 25s out

idc

[short radish]

based

[warm marlin]

you do 0 dmg anyway

[tribal blade]

rip your damage

[haughty mural]

[plush roost]

They should have done what the assa tier does and give you 4 seconds extra if you proc it

[short radish]

like naked evis is what 500k damage or something?

[plush roost]

And if you shadow dance during those 4 seconds you retain the stacks

[swift tinsel]

iirc only rupture 20-25sec from flag was almost dps neutral

[plush roost]

Make it a little minigame

[short radish]

and you do it max 6 times

[tribal blade]

my thought was have the protection during dance AND blades

[warm marlin]

its like 1 mil maybe

[short radish]

so you lose what 3mill damage?

[tribal blade]

so there's no chance of dropping it between dances

[warm marlin]

if it crits with shadowed finishers like 2

[tribal blade]

and then have the set give you ~4 stacks upon activating dance or something

[short radish]

I HATE THIS SO FUCKING MUCH

oh yeah it should give stacks

[tribal blade]

yeah it's bullshit

[short radish]

its so fucking stupid it doesnt

I LOVE FINISHING MY BLADES WITH 2 STACKS

[swift tinsel]

just like uhdk does

[short radish]

WITHOUT DROPPING IT

SAJOHDOUAKISHDSAKLHDSAKLHDSAAHDSADSDSAAS

PLEASE

LOVE ME BLIZZARD

[swift tinsel]

gives stacks up to max

ultimate blp

[tribal blade]

lol having coup channeled at the end of 1st dance

and then it snipes the micro second between 2nd dance

and you lose your tier stacks

I LOVE IT SO MUCH

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-tom-hardy-screaming-gif-11035878

[swift tinsel]

we Coupmaxing in blades

[plush roost]

You don't spell queue shadow dance?

[warm marlin]

i just hard mash dance the entire time its about to end during blades

[swift tinsel]

pretty sure you can't

[plush roost]

Oh maybe i just mash too hard and it feels queued

[haughty mural]

[tribal blade]

i try my best to be spamming dance as much as possible at the end of the first one

[swift tinsel]

yeah it specifically can't queue

or pandemic/chain

[tribal blade]

but yeah you can't use dance in dance

[warm marlin]

idk it seems like it queues

or my timing is absolutely brazy

[hollow spear]

You have to have a keybind of dance + your ability for backstab/shadowstrike/evis/sectec

[plush roost]

Maybe its cause i have macro it shadow dances?

[tribal blade]

it's easily the worst part about sub's cd rotation

honestly

[plush roost]

Hmm hidden tech?

[hollow spear]

yeah, pretty ass

[swift tinsel]

its so clunky

[plush roost]

Or just masg

Bros i cant type im so tired lmfao

[tribal blade]

dw i too am just masg

[warm marlin]

my dance key is a bit out of the way so I can mash it while hitting whatever my normal next button would be

it doesnt feel too bad

[swift tinsel]

lol mine is on 3

[hollow spear]

I bound it to mouse button 4

have two side buttons

[plush roost]

My dance button is shift-E

And symbols shift r

[hollow spear]

that's focus step

[swift tinsel]

ah focus kick for me

[plush roost]

Ah thats shift 3 for me hehe

[tribal blade]

my dance is shift-3

[swift tinsel]

symbols Q

[warm marlin]

my dance is G

[swift tinsel]

very easy to hit q+3 at the same time

[haughty mural]

Mine is R

[hollow spear]

tried backstab on Q

[swift tinsel]

R is sectech

[haughty mural]

And symbols Y

[plush roost]

Bro i should post a picture of my keybinds and give everyone aids

[hollow spear]

never again

[plush roost]

Its so nonsenical

[swift tinsel]

shift+R CBsectech

[limpid sage]

Symbols Q and Dance on E

[tribal blade]

i have some of the same binds that i started playing with in 2005

no joke

[swift tinsel]

lol same

with a few exceptions

[hollow spear]

I change them every so often

[swift tinsel]

had the same keybind scheme across all toons since I started playing

[hollow spear]

so that I can mess up my rotation for two weeks

[tribal blade]

changing binds is so much unfun

[swift tinsel]

well, once I graduated from laptop trackpad to mouse+keyboard

[tribal blade]

i wish i could go back in the past and change my binds

[limpid sage]

if a spec doesn't make sense on my keybinds I immediately stop playing it

[hollow spear]

feint on B?

got a cramp in my thumb already

[warm marlin]

b for bfeint obviously

[swift tinsel]

lol I keep feint as a mouse thumb button

[hollow spear]

I changed it to mouse wheel up recently

mouse wheel stuff is sleeper op

[graceful crown]

this is mine

[hollow spear]

I'd go crazy with keybinds on my WA

[warm marlin]

i specifically hide my bars/binds to force myself to learn them implicitly

[swift tinsel]

triggered

[hollow spear]

idk, I have small hands

[sly shore]

👐

[hollow spear]

some binds don't parse in my brain

pls post honorary JPC keybind pics

[swift tinsel]

I played with a Das keyboard with no numbers/letters so I had to get used to intuitively binding

[hollow spear]

Why the heck is only my flag aura increasing in size when it's active?

cannot for the life of me figure out what's triggering it

unplayable

[sly shore]

condition

or it's a seperate aura

cos looks like the other one is behind it

see on the right

or you have "show all matches" or something in a trigger

instead of using spellid's and conditions

using just the spellName

[alpine wraith]

BIG

it gets hyped

[short radish]

i wish i could tell past me "no dont bind rupture to f3. that is stupid. you are stupid"

[sly shore]

I wish I could unlearn my binds too

[lilac stag]

you can

[warm marlin]

true

[lilac stag]

just have to get through the mistakes for a bit

Or just quit

[sly shore]

It's the same convention on all classes so

[short radish]

tried changing a bind on my paladin so it'd be more similar to my rogue binds

and im still pressing my old paladin binds

[sly shore]

big cd on Q cos I am not intelligent

[lilac stag]

stop being dumb.

[short radish]

mine is on T

[swift tinsel]

nah Q is the big cd button

[short radish]

well

[swift tinsel]

keep

[short radish]

sdance is T

[graceful crown]

at how many targets using BP? i dont remember aprox

[short radish]

shift t is blades

[short radish]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[graceful crown]

thanks

[warm marlin]

q is a good bind though

[lilac stag]

Sir we are talking binds. This is more important than BP

[sly shore]

Q is my shadowblades

and dragon rage

[lilac stag]

Alt-F4 is my reset binds bind

[short radish]

i used to have Q bound for slice and dice

[swift tinsel]

dragon rage, arcane surge, apocalypse/pillar of frost

[short radish]

i think im actually mentally challenged

[swift tinsel]

recklessness

all the Q's

SnD used to be G