subtlety

[native zodiac]

[lilac stag]

@worn ivy time to Quit again

[clever delta]

DELETE ALL THE FUCKING LOGS NOW

CRIMINAL

[keen dome]

NEVER

[native zodiac]

actually got a r1 but that was assa so im safe

[clever delta]

how the fuck im suppose to parse now

[hazy breach]

Back to assa smh my head

[tulip gorge]

What double buff

[keen dome]

They applied the buff twice

[tulip gorge]

Oh so that’s why sub was doing so good in warcraftlogs

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-tell-me-what-to-do-amy-poehler-gif-8062934

[clever delta]

im not playing assa

fuck that spec

[lilac stag]

https://giphy.com/gifs/btqU9V0Z48j3in2xBu

[clever delta]

i played it since the buff

i need to mental reset with other specs

[lucid jackal]

Its over

[keen dome]

It's suboptimal

[west tide]

double buff to be as good as sin???

embarrassing

bye guys

[dusk stone]

chest is a high value piece. all it depends on what you get. i hate the haste too but it was correct to craft bracers, cata gloves and craft chest and it was certainly not the last piece

isn't chest also the highest agi piece as well?

[crystal rain]

wait, so yesterday we had 10% dmg buff?

[dusk stone]

yes

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-leave-pepe-frog-bye-upset-im-out-gif-17020829

[clever delta]

we should be middle right

[dusk stone]

icarus flew too close to the sun

[keen dome]

Yeah I think so.

We'll still be better than we were so while it's not as funny as it is, it's still a buff

[clever delta]

yeah i mean

assa will get worse with each week so

[kind bluff]

They got our hopes up

Just to crush us

[steel zinc]

They fixed it?

[swift tinsel]

Yeah

[steel zinc]

When?

[dusk stone]

did the patch already happen

[kind bluff]

I just needed them to wait 1 more day so I looked good for my trial damnit.

[keen dome]

Just now

[clever delta]

broski gotta message wclogs to delete today sub parses

i wont allow it

[kind bluff]

Lol

[keen dome]

I'll just do all my parses again tomorrow!

Nobody can stop me

[dusk stone]

no argument for why we cant have 3% of that back

[clever delta]

when its next raid buff

[upbeat sorrel]

No fun allowed

[clever delta]

to even it out

[vale pine]

yes yesterday and today was double 5% buff

[native zodiac]

[dusk stone]

well i was right that it was going to happen today, but at the wrong time apparently

[crystal rain]

man, just when i felt like i was catching up to dmg in my raid group 😂

[vale pine]

tho its not 5% but a bit lower because not everyhting is buffed by the spec aura

[dusk stone]

i figured its what the maintenance was for

[vale pine]

so the buff was 9%, now is probably down to 4.5 %

let me check

[upbeat sorrel]

Back to being unplayable

[hollow spear]

I didn't even go to bed yet

[upbeat sorrel]

They gave us one good day before they put us down

[hollow spear]

The heck

[upbeat sorrel]

[vale pine]

hmm seems to be not on raidbots yet

[hollow spear]

Not sure I'd call that putting us down

[dusk stone]

i wouldnt doom just yet, they literally got to see where 9% would put us

[hollow spear]

The pumpers got out more than 9% vs previous top parses

[dusk stone]

its completely fair to put as at 4th this late in the patch for being so bad for so long

[upbeat sorrel]

We got to taste the juice

[dull wigeon]

tasted greatness momentarily

[hollow spear]

I don't think Blizz compensates specs for being bad

It's not like you get an extra % for each month of being bad 😅

[dusk stone]

it would be fair to do so is what i said

its also not unheard of to give 3 or 5% and then 3 or 5% after its determined that's not enough

[hollow spear]

But parses are actually fudged now

[dusk stone]

chat determined wclogs would purge the parses

[hollow spear]

Well apparently it's not how it works for us this time

[dusk stone]

we're not at the next balance patch cycle yet tho

[hollow spear]

I'd bet quite sth that that won't happen

If we're middle of the pack, I'm a ok

Don't have to be top 4

[vale pine]

we probably are middle or slightly below

[fiery pewter]

All in all, fuck blizzard

[tepid trellis]

Cinema

[raw flicker]

middle u mean ST/Raid or M+?

[sly shore]

over before it began

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[sly shore]

[raw flicker]

I don't raid, I'm interested on M+ results

[sly shore]

I'll give suba try anyway

[lilac stag]

Realz why do you hate us?

[sly shore]

realz doesn't exist

[hazy breach]

Probably better of staying assa then

[lilac stag]

Someone read the pins about TFD

[hollow spear]

With the revert, we're probably like 1-2% behind sin

[sly shore]

it wasn't realz

he either got reassigned or doesn't work there now

[open vortex]

[hollow spear]

And sin can legally be prescribed as sleeping aid

[lilac stag]

Glad that channel meltdown is over. Take off slowmode.

[hollow spear]

Won't be looking back at sin

[remote cedar]

assa over sub on gally right :/

[tender frost]

probably pretty equal

[tall ferry]

what a fucked up day

[dusk stone]

i dont think it was ever realistic to expect a bug that effected aura buffs to ever stick unless that had happened before

[junior prawn]

At what hour was the hotfix ?

[warm marlin]

back to assa

[dusk stone]

probably just a little bit ago

[alpine wraith]

just as i killed gally M

or before

hmm

[junior prawn]

when did you kill it

cuz im curious if i was doing nerfed or pre nerfed damage

[ivory quarry]

Did the first tfd bug?

[tight jolt]

Where did you take information about what blizz did mistake about buff

[wicked urchin]

what terrible news to wake up to

[warm marlin]

I am deeply sorry team for my crimes against the sub rogue population

should have signed the NDA

[lilac stag]

Away with you

[warm marlin]

u think they invalidate the logs?

[shut ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/midget-short-guy-midget-cage-cage-short-guy-cage-gif-9960231358870053723

[alpine wraith]

at like 22 and something

[shut ridge]

hey just stopping back to doom AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I WANT TO DIE IT’S NEVER BEEN MORE OVER WHEN WILL MY SUFFERING CEASE

RELEASE ME FROM THIS PRISON

[worn ivy]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[vestal escarp]

Ok blizz we're doing ww dmg

[shut ridge]

[vestal escarp]

i think it's alright

[worn ivy]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[vestal escarp]

||my msg pertained to the double dip ||

[worn ivy]

atleast

they know what happens when we get buff

18 cinder dk damage didnt even bad

pad

[alpine wraith]

i did a 12m sec tech per hit

never again it seems

[hollow spear]

You better frame that screenshot

[worn ivy]

do i still have it

if i dont relog

[dusk stone]

you got almost 6mil at cinderbrew?

[worn ivy]

or it is hotfix

[hollow spear]

I meant hacha

[worn ivy]

i could do 6mil if i black powder more

[full acorn]

@worn ivy Is that with standard build?

[worn ivy]

had to evis

yes

[dusk stone]

was it streamed?

[hollow spear]

For purely egotistical reasons: I hope they do

[warm marlin]

think about it this way though

[worn ivy]

yes @dusk stone

[warm marlin]

if they invalidate then every sub rogue that didn't clear stands to benefit

[worn ivy]

i think this overall is after patched

[warm marlin]

but if they don't invalidate then me and a few other guys stand to benefit

the choice is clear.

[worn ivy]

like they revert extra 5%

than i did this

[vestal escarp]

do we know the time they pushed the hotfix?

[hollow spear]

True, but keeping them makes the ceiling a 95 or so

[hazy breach]

In 5 weeks well have +6% raid buff anyway

So then we can do the same damage we did today

[warm marlin]

in 5 weeks

[hollow spear]

Stop spelling it out Eleem

[warm marlin]

spec was too op btw

[junior prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994

[junior prawn]

Middle of the pack , perfect spot , but no . 😭

[hazy breach]

Tbf sprocket is a bit of a cherrypick

[hollow spear]

I mean, BM is really hard

[hazy breach]

Sub did really really well on stuff like rik

[vale pine]

tbh it was quite long in

so funny

[warm marlin]

it is kind of funny though

[vestal escarp]

pull up mugzee then

[warm marlin]

if they don't invalidate then sprocket rankings are going to look hilarious for the next 5 weeks

[junior prawn]

hope they dont invalidate so it gaslights people into thinking they not good enough

[hollow spear]

If they don't invalidate, I'll be blue parsing the next weeks

[warm marlin]

gaslights more people into playing sub who aren't gamers -> sub average goes down again -> more buffs

[void hound]

did NA logs already lock in?

[hazy breach]

Ill be playing assa anyway

[junior prawn]

something to strive for 5 weeks

[warm marlin]

ye

[vestal escarp]

??

why?

[void hound]

[hollow spear]

Didn't know Eleem was a snooze enjoyer

[warm marlin]

[void hound]

zzzzzzzz

[vestal escarp]

NA

doesnt count

[thin sinew]

BASED

[vestal escarp]

meme tier after meme tier

[warm marlin]

EU so mad

[frank harness]

yeah since EU has won a race this expac...oh wait

[hazy breach]

Moreso sad than mad

[warm marlin]

I think we are all sad unfortunately

[hollow spear]

I'm already furiously typing a novel at WCL

[vestal escarp]

i think hotfix pushed mid fight for my bandit

[void hound]

doing god's work

[vestal escarp]

at some point i stopped topping on opener

can always blame crits but

[warm marlin]

it should be removed tbf

i already got my screenshot

[thin sinew]

^^^

that's all i'd do it for xD

[vestal escarp]

as if wcl shoudl worry about the least logged spec

[thin sinew]

"man remember back in the day when"

[vestal escarp]

as if

[worn ivy]

no shmaan +19 dfc starting npw 😄

[thin sinew]

[vestal escarp]

nothing crazy

[thin sinew]

we did it for a day boys

xD

[vestal escarp]

sub not topping even vexie fast kills

[thin sinew]

guess it proves we'll literally be slap bang in the middle

[chrome palm]

Are they letting dev be insane top tier because they killed Aug or something

[thin sinew]

probably that 32apm spec mega hard

[vestal escarp]

spin the bottle tuning

every equinox blizz staff gathers wearing robe in a darm room and play it to decide power of specs subsequent patches

[tender frost]

they prob just don't care about a few specs being 5% ahead

[hollow spear]

Dev definitely wins the "most unwarranted buff of the expansion" award

[tender frost]

outside of a few specs like mm and dev class balance is good

even then they're not egregious

[thin sinew]

naa 5% spread is actually really good

10% is a touch too much

[hollow spear]

Yeah it's fine

[thin sinew]

not that it's bad tuning

it just feels bad if you're on the low end

[hollow spear]

I'm just malding about dev/bm/ret being so strong for being so simple

[wicked urchin]

I'm just sad about the idea of my first gally being invalidated but maybe im not

because i got omega griefed by a lagspike

[hollow spear]

I could play them, but I'd probably quit before I did that

[warm marlin]

it's double funny because my original first gally in april was ALSO invalidated

we didn't even renown exploit man

[wicked urchin]

this sucked

i have cast sequence and didn't press it twice btw

[honest saddle]

nice shadowstrikes idiot

[tender frost]

i really doubt wcl cares enough about this to invalidate parses

[vestal escarp]

that stab is meta

[thin sinew]

^^^

[honest saddle]

it's a joke because he lagged

[vestal escarp]

i was unsure

[honest saddle]

I wouldnt call an innocent sub an idiot

all subs are geniuses

[vestal escarp]

i think we're all idiots to stick to sub

[honest saddle]

I moved on to sin unfortunately

hanging out the last 2 days praying for the 10% to stick

[vestal escarp]

even worse bruh

[honest saddle]

back to the dungeon

[lilac stag]

Castsequence….

[vestal escarp]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[honest saddle]

oh it makes me fucking sick every time I stare at my envenom buff bar for 4 seconds doing nothing

[lilac stag]

We aren’t UH DK lol

[wicked urchin]

that

castsequence reset

so i can't double press

[lilac stag]

I see

[wicked urchin]

i just woke up

i forgot what it was called

[lilac stag]

You pressed your macro and you pressed sod

So no you didn’t press it twice

[wicked urchin]

I didnt

[lilac stag]

Literally log shows that

[wicked urchin]

It happened like 5-6 times on gally

I'm 100% i didnt

hasn't happened any other boss

[lilac stag]

Your sod and sd are perfect

So you’re not using that cast sequence

[warm marlin]

your cast sequence sod macro is not on your stealth bar

change my mind

[lilac stag]

insert whatever macro here

[vestal escarp]

hotfix just in time

[wicked urchin]

every pull that doesn't happen

and hasn't happened across hundreds of pulls this tier

[lilac stag]

you’re literally using a different macro for sod/sd

[wicked urchin]

and also was immediately after a full second long framedrop

yes but it works exactly the same way

i can sit there and spam it and it wont trigger

[lilac stag]

Not when your bar is lagging

[bright elk]

Oof just saw the hotfix news :(

[lilac stag]

As evident of you image

[bright elk]

Yesterdays raid was fun lol

[lilac stag]

or ya know just don’t macro shit together

stealth and wow get along so great with macros.

[fiery pewter]

I prefer to play Mozart's fantasia in d minor when presssing all the burst buttons

[wicked urchin]

so it's a bar lag thing?

[manic island]

anyone tested the rotation helper thing they are adding

is it actually useful

[spice matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/waterboy-we-suck-again-gif-18057541

[wicked urchin]

unlucky that it just never happened once before gally i guess

[spice matrix]

Back to Sin. Was fun for one night

[manic island]

its not on the pins thats for single button assist

[lilac stag]

Your reset is getting a BS. Then you’re proceeding to still hit whatever your macro or sod is and it’s triggering. Idk what you have setup but it’s literally showing you using a sod sd macro, then hitting an ability and then sod either the macro or a separate bind

[wicked urchin]

Yeah I'm getting why now

[lilac stag]

there’s no reason to have sod and dance macro’d

Probability is you’ve done it before multiple times without noticing.

[lilac stag]

That’s what the rotation helper is. It just doesn’t use cds

[manic island]

didnt they show a thing to highlight next button to press or something that was supposed to update with the meta

or am i dreaming

[wicked urchin]

Pretty impossible to not notice not having your second sod during cds

I have them all bound individually btw

(as well)

[worn ivy]

IM MALDING

[wispy bolt]

whelp the +16 runs yesterday were fun. Back to falling asleep playing assa

[manic island]

dude i dont know how ppl play sin

its so boring

[lilac stag]

no doze

[wispy bolt]

Especially when pooling it's so bad

[lilac stag]

what are you pooling?

Subs downtime is worse Lol

[manic island]

how do you look at that and thing "great design" lmao

[wispy bolt]

Bleed build video said to pool

[lilac stag]

lol

Just full send

[manic island]

downtime on any class feels horrible

and needs to go

[wispy bolt]

I only do it on ST

[worn ivy]

its so annoying to play without shaman its crazy

[lilac stag]

Nah subs ups and downs are fine

[haughty mural]

Hotfixing us faster than Lucky Luke draws

[lilac stag]

CDR needs a little love

spec needs another 5% buff

[haughty mural]

[wispy bolt]

It really does for m+. Give me bigger nimble

[manic island]

10% and i'll stop complaining

[haughty mural]

Were not even beyond broken

[lilac stag]

the base spec still has bad gameplay items. Tricky bandaids it.

[haughty mural]

I couldn’t even make it in time to enjoy it

[dusk stone]

whats the name of the toy that changes your race appearance?

[haughty mural]

Stupid real life

[tough knot]

Atomic recallibrator?

[lilac stag]

sounds right. Engineering

[dusk stone]

dont think so

[lilac stag]

Recal something lol

[dusk stone]

isnt there one that basically allows you to look human while having orc racial, is what i'm asking for

[tough knot]

Atomic recallibrator is the pad that lets everyone change their races

There's also the enchanting stuff but I forgot the name

[lilac stag]

Not saying you’re wrong but https://www.wowhead.com/item=198173/atomic-recalibrator

[manic island]

you can buy gleeful glamours

[dusk stone]

yeah but i looked it up its once every 12 hours and random

[lilac stag]

You just keep running over it until you get diaper baby

[manic island]

search gleeful glamour - human

[wispy bolt]

Also how do they accidentally double our buff, programming wise that is. Seems to validate the spaghetti code theory

[dusk stone]

yeah that one sounds right

i was just told it was a toy, not engi item

[manic island]

there are a few toys

[wispy bolt]

There's some random (x × 2) in the code that they don't know about

[manic island]

orb of deception turns you into a bloodelf

[lilac stag]

They did a seperate aura buff for the 5% without realizing there was already a 10% aura buff. Someone saw the 10 didn’t change and added 5 to that.

[dusk stone]

glad i'm not wrong then

[silent ruin]

10% buff was winning streak, but there was 15% chance we lose it

[haughty mural]

How long did it take to fix dark ranger bug end of season 1 ?

(Jk I’m glad about 4.6% anyway)

[hazy breach]

I was glad for 4.6% but then i got a taste of 10% and now im sad

[manic island]

coin of many faces transforms you into a random other player i think

[lilac stag]

It is a toy, but an engineering one. I don’t think they did a non engineering version

[alpine wraith]

the saddest thing is even with th 10%

[wispy bolt]

I actually felt useful in keys

[alpine wraith]

i was still behind dk etc XD

[dusk stone]

the t3 lasts for an hour

[lilac stag]

Are you sad at the loss or just that your parsed like shit from too much assa while it was available?

[manic island]

one day brother

[dusk stone]

there we go i can go be orc now

[alpine wraith]

i also could have parsed way better

unluck now gone forever

[dusk stone]

if you go from human to orc, do you also need to buy a faction change?

[hazy breach]

Both

[shut ridge]

why not both

[hazy breach]

I wanted to play some sub in keys, still might be alright

But not really good

Compared to assa

[lilac stag]

back to mid

[manic island]

ye

[dusk stone]

do you just get stuck and unable to do stuff if you just buy the race change?

[manic island]

you just buy faction change not race change afaik

[lilac stag]

I just want this tier to be over. 1.40 bosses left.

[manic island]

then pick orc

[haughty mural]

Hmm .. maybe I was never so happy I didn’t make it back home in time

[dusk stone]

i see

[haughty mural]

Can’t miss what you didn’t witness (:

[manic island]

its not worth race changing for a racial anyway imo

unless you're really sweating

[lilac stag]

Meghan is worth it

[manic island]

and then isnt mechagnome the meta

[wicked urchin]

im just glad its over

[manic island]

i'd rather delete wow

[wicked urchin]

now i can have free wednesdays again

[dusk stone]

im just curious how sub looks with orc racial on 1st pulls

[lilac stag]

Look at nearly any top log

Then again at 3minutes

[worn ivy]

why i dont see zeros on leaderboard now

did he delete rogue?

[lilac stag]

we all did

[crystal rain]

Why are people running finality over the rotten, granted not alot of doing that, but is there a benefit to?

[lilac stag]

in raid rotten does nothing for you

In m+ you run rotten

[hazy breach]

Does more damage

[lilac stag]

Now it does 5% less

[hazy breach]

Next tier for sure

Not holding out for another set of tuning this tier

[lilac stag]

If anything mythic nerfs

Ride out into the sunset

Doing dmg was fun for 26 hours

Look at me mom. I’m a real Dps spec.

https://tenor.com/view/real-agent-smith-gif-16789179510242125998

[graceful crown]

why is this alchemy trinket insisting that it's good

[lucid jackal]

Probably because ur other trinkets r bad

[graceful crown]

hc hos and seaforium

[lilac stag]

Link the sim?

[graceful crown]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Y1KA7nYwRPLfvn6qoE9gJ

[warm marlin]

10 ilvl go brazy

im not a fan of the alchemy trinket personally

the uptime is pretty low

icky variance

[lilac stag]

You’re likely lacking versatility

and .2 is whatever. Heroic jastors ain’t great for sub.

[graceful crown]

i'll probably craft a belt anyways since we're not reclearing anytime soon

[bright elk]

Did raid bots show sims for the mistake 10% buff or the expected 5% yesterday?

[lilac stag]

It simming off spell data (10%)

should update with hotfix at some point

[formal helm]

is it then just a sim bait?

or what

[warm marlin]

its good (bis) its just not that much better than equal ilvl rings

unlike assa for example where H jastor is better than myth rings

[formal helm]

ah okay

[lilac stag]

No. It’s mastery is good but you have a high probability of taking haste from an ally

where assa wants any stat + all the mastery

[formal helm]

fair enough

ty for explanation

[plush roost]

mfw you're still not even the top performing spec and within the top 1/3 and blizzard says ummmm actuallllly

[lilac stag]

rogue is not a dps class

[warm marlin]

👨‍🦯 blizz when dev has been turbo performing all tier

[patent lichen]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shut ridge]

that was a fun 24 hours or so

[tulip trail]

fun while it lasted

[left ledge]

Did they nerf it

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[shut ridge]

I’m having 10% withdrawals already man

they offered me the free hit but forgot to sell me the shit after

[left ledge]

I think that’s kinda funny

They didn’t wait to see how sub even performed

They just said NO NO NO QUICK STOP IT

Would understand if sub was overtuned with the double aura but it was just… in line

[shut ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/midget-short-guy-midget-cage-cage-short-guy-cage-gif-9960231358870053723

back to ass(a)

[random hare]

Its still trash in m+

[left ledge]

Ok

Didn’t have to do us like that

[vernal junco]

It’s actually fine

trash design deserves trash numbers

[pliant topaz]

They can only drop so many hints before u guys get it idk o7

[vernal junco]

What Sub needs isn’t tuning — it needs a rework.

[left ledge]

Rage bait or

[vernal junco]

so just be it

[left ledge]

Bro thinks we’re gonna get a rework

We got one in s3 and it wasn’t even finished

[lucid jackal]

Like what?

[left ledge]

Don’t fall for the bait

[pliant topaz]

Guys gonna get one guyd not like this

[vernal junco]

like bring dust back

[left ledge]

Yeah so nobody can play sub

[tepid trellis]

Nah

[tender frost]

[left ledge]

Intelligent idea

Dust put the spec in otp territory

There are some parts of the talent tree that need work for sure

[pliant topaz]

Nah he’s real. Stealthi needs more spreadsheety work. Bring dust back. Gl Mr raccoon

[left ledge]

Oh yeah I remember that

[vernal junco]

pooling sod and sd for burst feels like sh*t

[left ledge]

The spreadsheet

Pooling?

[tepid trellis]

I loved teaching people math in log reviews

[left ledge]

What

[left ledge]

Yeah during dust I just gave up helping anyone

[pliant topaz]

Not sure about that one chief

[left ledge]

Idk how tf you expect someone new to the spec to understand dust

[tender frost]

You might just not like sub if you hate burst windows lol

[smoky jolt]

hi it me.

[left ledge]

He does have an outlaw colour

So

[vernal junco]

[lucid jackal]

Dust is so broken and also so dogshit

[pliant topaz]

Kinda weird because outlaw iirc also had vanish pooling conditions around ar kekw

[left ledge]

Yeah agreed guy

[lucid jackal]

Its like STM

Broken and dogshit

[left ledge]

It was fun for a bit and when you got to optimize it

[random hare]

Nah hes right

[brisk onyx]

[tender frost]

Was cool on smolderon

[random hare]

Sub playstyle is too bad rn

Cor m+

Only for m+ tho

Its good for raid imo

[tepid trellis]

Meme gamemode

[left ledge]

The m+ gameplay

[random hare]

Its fine tho cuz

[left ledge]

Is basically just ST

[random hare]

Every spec has its own playstyle

Sub is just meant to be bad

So

[left ledge]

You literally can’t change anything

They forgot to fix our aoe

[random hare]

They can make sub not do 0 dps

[left ledge]

[random hare]

In aoe

And

Downtime

[vernal junco]

[left ledge]

I’d say the gameplay is def better post rework though

[random hare]

I did 2.5m st end of fight while flag is ready on candle king with sin gear

If sub aoe gets buffed

[smoky jolt]

honestly, if they just gave the sped a bit of energy recharge speed, it would go a long wayt

[left ledge]

Pre rework sub was literally just tornado simulator

[pliant topaz]

That’s not really a gameplay thing but tuning though

[left ledge]

It did infinite damage sure

[random hare]

It’ll legit be crazy op

[left ledge]

But it was boring as fuck

And yeah that’s tuning not gameplay

[random hare]

It does 0 dps out of cds

How is that tuning or am i missing something

[left ledge]

Well I mean it shouldn’t with tfd

[smoky jolt]

in the cd window if feels so good tho.,

[left ledge]

Tfd is just impossible to rely on

[random hare]

I strongly disagree in aoe

[vernal junco]

ye, but removing it and only giving Shadow Blades a 30-second cooldown as compensation just feels so wrong.

SD and SoD should have full uptime — activating SB and Flag should instantly grant stacks of SD and SoD. That’s what fits the current M+ design.

[smoky jolt]

naw, with cds and a beefy mob its not bad

its really spammy.

[random hare]

Brother

It looks good

But

It does outlaw dps in aoe in cds

Then drops to tank dps

[left ledge]

Sub just needs goremaw turned into a diff aoe talent

[smoky jolt]

yep. 100%

[left ledge]

And tornado needs a fix

[pliant topaz]

It wouldn’t matter if in cds it did enough that at the end of pull you’d be the same as others but that would require some omega burst they’re not okay with. I did ask realz to use the tree to create valid bursts and less bursty builds. U can read his response in tww subtrlty

[tepid trellis]

That was the most outlaw pilled thing ive read

[random hare]

Im surprised sub aoe feels exactly the same post buffs

[smoky jolt]

take technique and give it a "while clones are active you gain 25% extra energy regen" id bust in my shorts.

[left ledge]

What

[random hare]

Thats not true

Brother

[smoky jolt]

just saying something liek that.

[random hare]

Idk where u guys are getting ur data from

On st sure

But aoe?

Thats cooked

In m+ that is

[pliant topaz]

Tornado needs a reworked imo. It has a lot of negative synergy with almost subs entire kit rn

[random hare]

Sub is beyond bad in m+ u have no idea

It does like

[left ledge]

Well yeah because it was designed NOT to synergize

[random hare]

Udk cds dps

Then

Drops to tank dps

[left ledge]

It’s a dumb talent

[random hare]

At the end

Sub ends way below udk

And udk isnt even good now

[left ledge]

I don’t think realz even intended to keep nado this way

[random hare]

Crazy spec sub atm ngl

Utterly useless in many areas

Its crazy

Everything works in raid im purely talking about m+ btw

[pliant topaz]

Again. Imagine this scenario. Let’s say they want every class to do 10 damage over the course of 2 minutes in aoe ( numbers are just examples). If sub does 10 dmaage durinf cds and 0 outside then it’s fine. Problem is it does 6 damage in cds then 0, so at 2 min it’s done 6 instead of 0. That’s called tuning issue

[random hare]

Its tuned low sure i dont disagree

[pliant topaz]

Now, for sub to do 10 in cds, it needs some giga buffs, that they’re not okay with

[random hare]

Issue is

Sub cds

Does same dps

As almost every class in the game in aoe

[pliant topaz]

Exactly, hence the tuning problem

[random hare]

Yea

But

[lucid jackal]

dance and sod should have full uptime

[pliant topaz]

If it were balanced, its cds would do more. But they don’t

[lucid jackal]

Bro just play outlaw 😂

[left ledge]

I think burst is fine for m+ you just pull around it

[pliant topaz]

Because they don’t want SL boomie shit

[random hare]

?

Idk if ur ragebaiting or ur missing the conversation here

[left ledge]

He’s not talking to you

[tepid trellis]

He talking about the other guy cooked take

[random hare]

Ag

Ah

Armin, tbh

[left ledge]

Also the end of that guys statement is so insane

[lucid jackal]

This comment is what I was replying to

[left ledge]

“That’s what fits the current m+ design”

Lmao

[random hare]

I think with current gameplay the issue is that the dps window is in 15 sec

[random hare]

Thats rly bad for m+ timer

[left ledge]

If they just tuned every burst spec higher people would be pulling differently

[tepid trellis]

Which was the most “i want sub to be outlaw” thing ive read

[left ledge]

We’ve had burst metas before

[random hare]

Mb mb

[pliant topaz]

I honestly gave a lot of ideas to realz on how to fix subs aoe, and he gave me ibis feedback / response. But looking at what’s happened to subs aoe since 10.2 I can’t really agree with his responses tbh.

[left ledge]

Fire mage metas were just pull around combust

The problem rn is that burst is just not high enough to compensate

[random hare]

Well honestly armin

I can tell u from my experience whats the biggest issue with sub atm since i played it alot this season

[tepid trellis]

Fwiw i dont even Think they know what they wanna do with sub

[left ledge]

They def don’t

[pliant topaz]

I agree with you

[left ledge]

They have it in “burst” that’s about it

[pliant topaz]

It’s kinda obvious

[left ledge]

But the burst is probably only because we’ve been begging for that

For years

[random hare]

Mainly in m+, it has issues with coup, you do 0 dps out of flawless form u just become useless, having good aoe dps being targetted in that window and inside flag feels just rly bad, dance shouldnt have this low cdr although its rly amazing in raid i heavily dislike it in m+

[tepid trellis]

But then you have ww and mm that just does it better

[left ledge]

Yep

Unlucky

[pliant topaz]

They haven’t figured out subs aoe since introduction of bp ( which was before my time)

[left ledge]

Bp is ok it’s just

[random hare]

Coup = makes sub bad

In aoe

[left ledge]

Executed so bad

It has literally no interactions

It’s so

Spammable

I mean that’s what sub became

Storm bp storm bp storm bp

[tepid trellis]

Should have just kept it AoE less

[pliant topaz]

I 100% agree with this btw. The whole idea of coup being tied to single target builders, even though I see their point ( with blade flurry mechanics duh) is really really bad for subs cp generation playstyle in aoe

[random hare]

Sub aoe in dance no cds is same as any other class if ur in coup window

[tepid trellis]

And Embrace the funnel

[random hare]

Otherwise ur gg

[left ledge]

Yeah funnel being removed from sub

Was such a bitch move

And they’ve stated many times it’s a “no way” thing

But other specs get funnel

[pliant topaz]

From what I’ve heard not to extent of what sub used to have though

[left ledge]

Well ofc because these modern specs ALSO aoe

Sub couldn’t aoe

[random hare]

Blackpowder being good in low target count sometimes is cringe

Makes me wonder why nimbleflurry isnt powerful enough or why isnt it uncapped?

[tepid trellis]

Adding BF like effects has killed the spec indentities

[random hare]

Well sure but

[lucid jackal]

adding BF like effects has made rogue so fucking fun

[random hare]

If its there might aswell fix it

[pliant topaz]

It’s not uncapped cuz it’s shared with outlaw. It’s not strong because it doesn’t work with sectech

[left ledge]

Idk I kinda don’t like bf being on every spec

It makes it kind of boring to aoe

[tepid trellis]

Same

Hate it

[random hare]

Ye i like, but i hate spatter tbh

Spatter is annoying to refresh

Feels bad

I like the idea tho idm it

[left ledge]

I would like it if we just had a talent that impacted our AoE gameplay

Some set up for aoe maybe

[lucid jackal]

Flurry has made rogue so fucking fun

[left ledge]

Doing ST literally everywhere is just ???

[lucid jackal]

No stupid "AoE build"

No stupid multiple rotations to learn

U just blast off

[tepid trellis]

Design hell hole

[left ledge]

But then you play the same build

Literally 24/7

[lucid jackal]

And?

Its lit

[left ledge]

That’s kinda boring

[tepid trellis]

Its boring af

[left ledge]

I WANT to lose some ST to gain more aoe

I want choice

[random hare]

Sin has alot of builds tbh

Same with outlaw

[left ledge]

Yeah it does

[random hare]

Its just sub thats bad

[left ledge]

Sub doesn’t

[pliant topaz]

Oh also zeross I will say one more thing on subs giga stupid design in aoe as trickster. In aoe you do more damage because u generally have more resources. But in subs case, not only u dont get more resources during cds ( blades ready gives full co so no more resources), outside of cds you’re further being forced to remove your extra resource gain because you’re backstabbing instead of storming. So you’re getting double punished

[left ledge]

But sin is just

Fucking ass

It’s such a boring ass spec

[pliant topaz]

Just food for thought at lack of seeing consequences of decisions beyond the tip of your nose

[left ledge]

I love subs ST I just wish there was something similar but for aoe

[tepid trellis]

I miss the pre. SL days

Of sub

[random hare]

Yeah well im not sure on what’s there honestly for sub to get better at

Its just not the time for this spec i suppose

I’d heavily love deathstalker sub if they fix darkest night working with blackpowder

That’ll make sub SO GOOD

And buff it abit

[pliant topaz]

I have given many many ideas over 10.2 beta and 11.0 alpha bd beta

[random hare]

I’ll love sub so much if they do that

[pliant topaz]

Not on me tbh eh all got ignored

[random hare]

Tbh

The best outlaw iteration was in s3 DF when realz came in and had discussions with us, me, solo and zac and many others gave realz cool ideas and he implemented all of it

It was amazing

Best time of my life in wow ngl

[tepid trellis]

Im perfectly happy with sub not being meta worthy in Keys. Means i dont have to push Keys since i Said to my group id only ever push again if Sub is meta

[random hare]

I just want rogue to be meta meta for once man

[pliant topaz]

I remember I pushed for title in s1 as sub before I quit. My friends were begging me to play sin and I would give them the most cope responses why sub is better

[random hare]

Sub/sin or if they delete killingspree then i wouldn’t mind outlaw

[pliant topaz]

Plot twist, they were all lies

I was cooking so hard they had no idea wtf I was saying

[random hare]

[smoky jolt]

okay just theoretically - if you dropped super charger and inuction

for Vigor and Thistle tea?

[tepid trellis]

Ngl if they Force an outlaw meta in raid. And i mean like a 10% + diff in perf im just not raiding on rogue that tier

[tepid trellis]

Dog ass

[random hare]

less dmg

[pliant topaz]

Bro just quit already it’s league arc time

We get challenger together

I’m legit 350 lp off challenger now

[smoky jolt]

yeah? even if you bust a tea during your cd window? gain the extra mastery?

sorry im new to rogue - is super charger that big?

[tepid trellis]

Its shit lol

Tea that is

[pliant topaz]

Oh yeah. Superchargers insanely powerful. All other talents are borderline useless. U can sim them and get an idea yourself

[tepid trellis]

2 more cps on every sectech + the bonus evis after it is just worth more than 19.6% mast for 4 sec

[pliant topaz]

And the hidden power of extra energy and cdr u get with it

Faster flag stacking etc

[smoky jolt]

ah, thought it might alleviate some of the energy starving we get

[tribal blade]

are we dooming yet

now that sub isn't double buffed do i play sub or sin for bandit reclear

[tepid trellis]

You dont starve in dances which is where you do all of your dmg

[pliant topaz]

!design

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety is designed to be a spec with highs and lows. During your cooldowns you do immense burst and have plenty of buttons to spam but conversely outside of symbols and dance you do not do any damage whatsoever. This means that having some periods of "afk" downtime where you do not press a button because you're out of energy is the intended way the spec plays. As long as its not happening inside your cooldowns (flag/blades/dance/symbols) its not a problem at all, and especially nothing that having more haste would "fix".

[tepid trellis]

So its just useless af

[smoky jolt]

no i understand, was just theory crafting haha

[pliant topaz]

It’s a bit unfortunate but yea, in general energy as a concept has been kinda deleted for sub

Outside of sod you’re always out of it regardless of what u do, and in sod you’re saturated

[vestal escarp]

after the bug that made shadowcraft give you double energy on sht procs was fixed you're not really swimming in it anymore

but you notice this even less when shadow blades is up

[pliant topaz]

Pretty sure eleem said it’s still bugged but idk

[tepid trellis]

Pretty sure thats still bugged lol

[vestal escarp]

on his tracker

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1e2w0iHBCVp8K7hdSk1T8RKtUK9lr4FsRqFWd68FCQnk/pubhtml?gid=579089422&single=true

[pliant topaz]

Idk go test it on live and see for yourself ig

Not that hard to test

Or just look at a log

[tribal blade]

fuck it i'm playing non double buffed ST bandit sub

pay no mind, i'm just talking to myself here

[pliant topaz]

lol go for it gl

[spice matrix]

Sub is still fine

[random hare]

Non double buffed?

Wdym

Did they fix it

[tribal blade]

yeah apparently so

[random hare]

Fuck no way

[tribal blade]

yeah sub back to being mid haha

[remote eagle]

was nice to become a c-tier spec for a day

[tribal blade]

but at least not dead last

[random hare]

Wait so

Sub went from shit to acceptable on a shit level and back to shit

I see

[remote eagle]

yup

[tribal blade]

100%

i got a rank 3 parse on locken last night and was still being beat by other specs

(rank 3 at the time)

[pliant topaz]

I will say, realz one time said something I can kinda respect. He said sub brings a burst on demand unlike any other spec in the game with dance alone. Which is fair

But also only relevant literally first 2 weeks of mythic prog

[graceful crown]

damn it got fixed b4 i could even raid or m+ 🥲

[pliant topaz]

So thning around that is kinda brain damaged

Tuning

[random hare]

Except

Devoker does way more

Survival too

And ww monk

[pliant topaz]

Anyways, my flights taking off in 5. Time to watch 4 hours of downloaded anime o7

[tribal blade]

i think that's relevant for raid, not so much for M+

[random hare]

So idk about the part where sub does high burst

[tribal blade]

or maybe i'm wrong

[random hare]

Cuz

Its not true at all

[pliant topaz]

They tune for raid not m+

[random hare]

It was only the case week 1

Then sub fell heavily behind with gear

[pliant topaz]

That’s my point. Week 1 and 2 for rwf it was meaningful. Everyone else, not so much

[random hare]

Yeah

Well

Idk man

[pliant topaz]

Which is why tuning around it is stupid but hey, he brought it up, which suggests they do tune around that

[random hare]

lookin at data once as if its gonna end up that way forever is not ideal

Especially when it comes to rogue because rogue doesnt scale with gear that well at all

[pliant topaz]

Anyways g2g flights taking off. Anime time! Cyall in a few hours

[random hare]

Cya cuh

[tribal blade]

HAVE A GOOD TIME

[fiery pewter]

I can respect WW and Survival at least. I cannot respect the scalies

[rough sigil]

where is the pin that adds the tempered secondary stat variables

Found it, it is in TC research

[trail furnace]

Off the top of yalls head, anyone know the dmg% different between Seaforium and Eye of Kazan? Other trinket is HoC

[sullen hare]

The most important thing between those two is pull time nerd 🤓

[trail furnace]

Eye better in Raid then? Seaforium for M+?

[sullen hare]

Eye is best if it's a7 minute slugfest while you're taking care of business

If you're not spending at least 5 minutes whacking the boss eye falls off

I hope that helped

[tribal blade]

ok what's tldr of cds on gally

[lucid jackal]

cds on CD

And then just watch the suppression timer past that

dont send CDs if suppression is coming out in like 10 yk

[tribal blade]

cool cool

[short radish]

i hold 3min flag/blade and use at 4

can still send double dance there though

because 4 is BIG adds

[tribal blade]

mmmmmmm i see i see

ok it looks like half of logs send cds on pull

half send cds 30 secs in with adds

[shut ridge]

holding is pad for sure

[short radish]

nothing matters anyway for gallywix except the first set of adds

[warm marlin]

that's what i tell myself as i spam black powder

[smoky jolt]

Okay - if i link a long - could i get some assistance on what exactly im doing wrong to parse in the 30s?

[tribal blade]

EW

[warm marlin]

imagine eviscerating

couldnt be me

[shut ridge]

you sicken me

delete bp delete cdr delete outlaw

[warm marlin]

[shut ridge]

[lilac stag]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[lucid jackal]

I still played sub on farm this week

Spec feels v good still tbqh

Onlyb oss that it feels kinda troll on is mugzee and mugzee was only dogshit cuz we hold DPS at 3 minutes

[rocky ocean]

[serene notch]

the math does not math at all but man, that 5% putting in work?

[round latch]

stupid blizzard

[bleak night]

was fun while it lasted

o7

[tribal blade]

the adds at 4 mins on gally dies so fast

[plush roost]

11 powders? How did your adds even live that long

[shut ridge]

no shot party held

[warm marlin]

our spriest roster maker for farm wanted to parse so he sat all the people who usually blast the adds

[plush roost]

Amazing

[shut ridge]

do your best to not have an ele shaman

[plush roost]

Gonna let my RL know to sit everyone that presses aoe

[lucid jackal]

"Why do I hear party saying stop damage but his beasts are all green"

[visual basalt]

Is Hotline actually good? It did 1.4% of my dmg on Sprocket tonight, got me wondering if Pacemaker is actually better

[lucid jackal]

1.4% p good

[visual basalt]

It was lower than focusing lens and gushing wounds, felt underwhelming

[thick temple]

Since I can't raid v often should I sim with dungeon slice instead of patchwerk? Dunno as sub if I should focus on how much I'm doing on St bosses vs the simulated dungeon

[sour stump]

do we like house/seaforium combo?

[tribal blade]

from what little i know, trinks with main stat and a dmg proc will always be lower %

the trinks that do really high of your overall dam never have main stat

[visual basalt]

That's fair

[short radish]

vexie trinket is also not bad

[smoky jolt]

This is what I’ll be using come next week.

[short radish]

that was also 1.2 - 1.8% of my damage

just a pain to use sometimes since i popped it on sprocket when we were moving

and i didnt realise you had to aim

🐒

[wicked urchin]

aiming sucks

brain off trinkets >>>

if you can’t tell by my name

[short radish]

i honestly thought it auto aims for you

like it just goes to your target

but then that'd require me reading the trinket

(i did that afterwards)

[wicked urchin]

(i can’t read)

[short radish]

same

[wicked urchin]

but unless it’s a substantial increase i’d rather not use a trinket if there was an uncontrollable variable where something could make it worse

(this is an excuse to not read)

[warm marlin]

the keys also miss certain bosses iirc

like gallywix

not a fun trinket to use

[wicked urchin]

you know what else misses on gallywix?

shadowstep

[tribal blade]

if it's a trinket like transmitter or boon

you kinda have to equip it

but even boon i would sometimes just not equip

[open vortex]

boon was such a dope trinket

[tribal blade]

was dope for rogue since you have all the tools to survive using it

for other classes... was pretty troll lol

[lilac stag]

Just step your tank.

[fathom gazelle]

so they fixed sub and didint fix the corruption , hmm

[night rune]

Can someone explain me:
ppl on high key play no garrote sin build which has AOE sim like sub (or a little bit higher), but with st still less then sub. For what reason?

[warm marlin]

sims don't necessarily translate to real world performance

[weary saffron]

many many reasons hard to pick just 1

like go fuck up a set of cooldowns on sub in a key and then do the same as sin

one of those experiences will be a lot worse than the other

the build has a pretty quick opener when garrote is out of the equation

feels very nice tbh

im only doing 16s but it just feels like a lot less to think about, and I just play the keys better as a result

a lot less to think about for the same or better overall performance, rather

[night rune]

I dont agree kingsbane full timer is shorter than sub full burst, especially with 2 shiv where u need to line up this correctly for maximise dps gain

[hollow spear]

Sin has a lot of funnel

[night rune]

Imo prio dps sub > prio dps sin in no garrote build tbh

[hollow spear]

Anytime you can pull trash on boss, it will pop off

[weary saffron]

^

the no garrote build is a very quick opener though idk what you mean

ruptures then into kingsbane

really not much time spent dotting

[night rune]

Rupture into shiv into kingsbane into tea and right timings, cz tea has 6s uptime, u want to maximise it

[weary saffron]

yeah and you have that 20s window available every 60s

thats quite good

and it doesnt take insane tea optimization to do big dps

[night rune]

Without death mark it’s pretty weak

[weary saffron]

what keys are you doing

where it feels weak without deathmark lol

it does very well on really any pull size you realistically do in dungeons

with or without cds

i mean you dont even need to do the keys for that, can just look at streams

[void ocean]

ffs I go to sleep and half of my dps is gone...

[tulip gorge]

and I was so hyped to play sub...

[lucid jackal]

Sub still feels good

[weary saffron]

that 30s cd delay on gally feels very nice

[hollow spear]

If half of your dps is gone, you must have gotten out of the wrong side

[void ocean]

the dungeon? 😄

[hollow spear]

What is 4k vers in %? Not ingame right now

[hollow spear]

The bed 😅

[serene notch]

buff looking good, really happy

[open vortex]

not getting coup in the opener 6 pulls in a row feels so god damn awful

[keen pike]

hey em got a bunch of noob questions may i shoot?

[open vortex]

i suggest just looking at the wowhead guide first. its pretty in depth and answers most beginner questions, but if you have more ya you can ask here

[alpine wraith]

you can always ask dont worry

[chrome palm]

No you can’t macro symbols and dance 👺

[keen pike]

i did read most of it
just a few shitty questions thats all
em
when less than 7 targets it seems that im using evi?
does evi cleave or, i cant really find the part where it cleaves,
the part states to use backstab in SD?
so i gotta bind backstab in SD?

[open vortex]

it cleaves with nimble flurry in the trickster hero talent tree

[keen pike]

OH

wtf another class that cleaves to 8 targets
not fair D:

[open vortex]

and to backstab in dance, you can just have a separate keybind for only backstab that is off the stealth bar

you only backstab as the first builder in dance though

[keen pike]

premedition right?>

[open vortex]

once you do it once, you never do it again in that dance

[keen pike]

yea for dance macabre

and i guess i should ask

is it really bad to macro symbol and dance

[chrome palm]

Yeah it’s bad

[open vortex]

ya because there is a gap sometimes, even with skyfury, where you have to dance without pressing symbols to get more cdr

for the next sectec in cds

[keen pike]

sorry sorry i mean
i have sd macroed with symbol
but i have symbol itself

[chrome palm]

Your symbols usage is tied to when sec tech is off or nearly off cd, because you need sec tech to consume supercharged combo points

[keen pike]

i just dont have dance itself

[open vortex]

ya you dont want anything macro'd except for the coldblood sectec macro

and i guess the shadowblades with your trinket/racial macro if you have hoc or pvp badge

[chrome palm]

You can do a /cast [bonusbar:1] Backstab; Shadow Dance

To help with backstab in dance

[graceful crown]

I have macro'd flagel and SB thats wrong too, right? Is better to wait a little to get more mastery from flag then shadowblades? Or how is it?

[open vortex]

correct, you don't want to macro flag and blades together

you want to flag -> finisher -> blades + trinket + racial -> dance sequence

[graceful crown]

Alright

[keen pike]

ok so to go over again
cleave is in trickster tree
yes to backstab in dance for macabre
use macro for backstab
i can't use macro for SD and Symbol (im just checking this as a macro for both of them, and just symbol itself to press normally for sectech etc)
how bad is flag+shadowblade macro

[graceful crown]

Thankvyou

[keen dome]

You don't want to use a flag + blades macro. Because we don't push them at the same time.

[chrome palm]

There’s no reason to use flag inside of blades because you can just do it before hand, you also are wasting incredibly valuable GCDs pressing flag, you have less stacks of flag during your first dance, etc

[worn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-the-office-sad-steve-carrel-gif-6504535541019570333

[keen dome]

Flag also lasts for 24 seconds (12 ramp, 12 buff) and blades is 16. So you have a lot of time to get it up.

[warm marlin]

I cannot believe all these people still spawning premium dynamite booty

I haven't seen one of those since april man

[open vortex]

😏

[chrome palm]

Parse never 🙂 🔫

[keen pike]

just slightly bad with pressing so many instant buttons but aye will try

oh and 1 las thing em

what is causing me to sometimes get full combo points after a finisher
not sure how to keep track as i instinctly press a builder after a finisher

[keen dome]

It just takes practice. It feels like a lot, but the flow is so consistent that it will quickly become muscle memory.

[open vortex]

shadowcraft

its bottom middle of the sub talent tree

[keen dome]

And then Shadow Techniques is:

[keen pike]

oh god

is there a wa for it to tell me how much of it is stored?

[open vortex]

!wa

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[keen dome]

You don't need to think about it because it'll happen. But a WA to play a sound when you get a refund is a good idea. And yes, there's a few.

[keen pike]

ah

nice

[keen dome]

Almost all of those packs have one

[keen pike]

i just need for that part only, i dont really use was for rotation stuff (should but my set up will look like hell

thanks for the help sires and mams
sorry for the bombartment of nooblord questions

[keen dome]

No question is bad. Better to ask 'em than not.

[open vortex]

we always welcome more sub players

[keen pike]

all doms now

[warm marlin]

I dislike you

[open vortex]

[warm marlin]

real question though why is your guild still spawning them

we actually swapped insta after prog was over