subtlety

[old venture]

lashga asking about which corruption is best for M+

and if its still bugged

[lilac stag]

Tbf I just ignore Lashga unless I’m ready for cartoons and a laugh.

[old venture]

https://tenor.com/view/piggy-pig-eats-pig-hal-pig-eating-pigwaith-gif-27009053

[lilac stag]

Ion generally has good insights. It’s the follow through / lawyer speak that gets old.

[old venture]

Ion is good with words

nothing more or less

Harvard grad, NYU School of Law Grad, worked for WilmerHale before swapping to blizzard

super smart dude

[swift tinsel]

"we'll do better next time..I mean the time after that...no, the time after that"

[shut ridge]

white shoe ion

[lilac stag]

Stuff like hearing time gating bad to land in time gating is pain

[old venture]

luckily for him, he addressed this in an old interview

usually when we get the interviews and they discuss a shift in their design flow, the previous thing is already ready to launch

so the new learned insights came after they already finalized the release of x or y

[bleak night]

also they're a small indie company, you need to give them an expansion or four

so they can catch up

[old venture]

he's not entirely wrong in that statement though

they addressed how much everyone hated infinite grinds like AP in legion and then dropped azerite power

but by the time they acknowledged they were wrong, they already had the azerite trait/neck system in place

[shrewd lantern]

WHO WANTS TO DO SOME ISLANDS

[keen dome]

Me

[old venture]

ME

MEMEMEMEMEME

[patent crystal]

why am i doing less damage this week?

[keen dome]

Let's go

[old venture]

I loved islands

[keen dome]

Islands islands islands

[old venture]

but I'm also mentally ill

[shrewd lantern]

brother

[shut ridge]

[bleak night]

good thing they learned their lesson from legion and bfa

[shrewd lantern]

i almost have the open 500 delve chest achieve

if you want to talk mentally ill

[bleak night]

and didnt add an infinite grind to torghast

[lucid jackal]

[old venture]

tbf that was super late in SL when everyone was already over torghast

and it was more for alts

[keen dome]

Torghast and Islands. Warfronts. The farm from MoP..

[old venture]

so you could grind your garbage to make your garbage legendary

[keen dome]

Glorious systems we grew to hate

[old venture]

Warfronts could've been so cool man

[bleak night]

all of these systems wouldve been better had they been introduced like plunderstorm

[keen dome]

You know what system they should bring back?

[old venture]

[keen dome]

Brawl Pub.

[bleak night]

as a fun game mode for a bit to grind some cosmetics

instead of a way to grind power

[old venture]

yeah them taking out brawl

made no fucking sense

[bleak night]

i miss brawlers guild so much

[shrewd lantern]

we need to do these

[old venture]

who hurt you

[keen dome]

If I remember, it was a passion project from someone or a small team, and I assume they left and nobody else wanted to update it

[unique nest]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[keen dome]

But that might just be hearsay / rumors / me forgetting and spreading lies on the internet

[old venture]

[bleak night]

back in mop just sitting in the brawlpub talking shit while people die to a crocodile

good times

[old venture]

rip bruce

[void ocean]

wtf, i just noticed we can buy only weapons n trinkets for dinar... is there any other vendor?

[bleak night]

nope thats all

weapons, trinkets, and jastors

[void ocean]

• jasotr

goddaaaamn

[bleak night]

and back from sprocket

[keen dome]

I have an extremely fond memory of another Rogue sturggling in Brawlpub in MoP. And I gave him a load of advice and he got better. And then later I see him in the top raiding guild on my server. And he went faaaaaaaaar.

[old venture]

ye dinars have always been weapons/trinkets + super rare items

[shrewd lantern]

What else would you need dinars for

[brave moth]

SecTec on Gally is reaching the adds yes? When he is in the middle

[void ocean]

ring

[shrewd lantern]

yeah jastor is on here

[void ocean]

not that ring, mythic ring from key

[swift tinsel]

nope

just trinkets from m+

[wild hornet]

dont you just love when the oab adds spawn 15 seconds before your flag

[void ocean]

my day is ruined

[swift tinsel]

womp womp

[shrewd lantern]

they probably thought

[void ocean]

there it is?

[shrewd lantern]

too many rings

[void hound]

nvm tho

[lucid jackal]

Yeah I watched the whole thing

[vale pine]

the problem with the system is the requirement to get them on the maximum upgrade track

[old venture]

well you see, people don't want you getting free gear week 832 of the tier for reasons

[vale pine]

haha ye

[old venture]

nevermind that these systems always drop when the tier is effectively over and it's just people wrapping up their CEs/AOTCs and could benefit from the extra ilvl

fuck those people

ok?

[vale pine]

would be a shame if you get gear once the season is over

think they should delay the dinar till next xpac

[old venture]

true

let us buy a jastor in 12.0

[vale pine]

you get it handed by illidan then

[shrewd lantern]

i have 2 jastors (heroic)

[vale pine]

haha ^^

[old venture]

just weird restrictions at a point where it's irrelevant

per usual

[vale pine]

i talked with a friend the other day

[swift tinsel]

idk it was also a weird move to name it after a system that had a very distinct iteration previously

[vale pine]

i don't know if wow's catchup system is well designed

[old venture]

well the first system was horrible

[vale pine]

especially with ion saying something along the lines of

[old venture]

kill 20 heroic bosses for an item

[vale pine]

people can just come back and jump in quickly

[old venture]

[vale pine]

but the endless upgrade tracks, valorstone caps, etc

and crafting

[swift tinsel]

yeah the SL version was def worse than DF

[vale pine]

you can't actually come back to the game and get up on track fast

[old venture]

so after experiencing shadowlands, I'll take it ig lmao

DF one was

[swift tinsel]

having it be its own track system was nice

[old venture]

monkeypaw design

give mythic+ trinkets say fuck you for the raid gear

[vale pine]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-chris-griffin-peter-griffin-tread-mill-exercise-gif-3809952

^ wow content design

[swift tinsel]

did DF have m+ trinkets too or just raid, idr

[vale pine]

DF had only raid

[lucid jackal]

p sure it didn't

[vale pine]

iirc

but you got the diars fairly fast

[swift tinsel]

yeah thats what I vaguely remember

[old venture]

the m+ trinkets is a nice touch

[vale pine]

m+ trinkets would be nice

[swift tinsel]

having some of them actually be worth it was nice too

[vale pine]

if they would not suck

[old venture]

maybe they feel that the special raid items are too powerful where they'd impact the next tier's start

[swift tinsel]

yeah they said something about that in one of the blue posts iirc

[old venture]

which I mean fair

[keen dome]

Their argument was silly, though.

[shrewd lantern]

items like jastor are just stupid

[old venture]

a normal jastors was on par with a fully upgraded myth track ring lmao

[swift tinsel]

didn't want folks strolling into next tier with 684 trinkets/weps without seeing mythic

[keen dome]

They are worried those speical raid items will be too good if someone who only did LFR could get it, and they'd never swap off it.

[shrewd lantern]

very rare and also turbo bis for everyone

[lucid jackal]

Not for outlaw

[swift tinsel]

which is a fassile argument bc an lfr andy wouldn't have the gilded to max it

[keen dome]

Ignoring how the same player can still get a 671 version of the same trinket..

[shrewd lantern]

i feel very rare items should at best be

cosmetic/flavor items

[lucid jackal]

?

[old venture]

yeah because they don't stay alive long enough after pressing killing spree

(too soon?)

[lucid jackal]

very rare items should be OP

The game should have OP loot in it

[shrewd lantern]

sprocket back is a good idea

[old venture]

the +1 luck item is bis

because flips

[lucid jackal]

thats the point of an MMO gear based game

[shrewd lantern]

wait does the luck do shit

XD

[swift tinsel]

you need the Griftah thing for true luck

[old venture]

if your character flips while jumping you'll always flip

[keen dome]

Jastor / Sark cloak are cool because they're just.. neat items.

[bleak night]

i dont really care at all one way or another about needing to kill the boss to buy the item, my biggest issue is that you should be allowed to upgrade an item to myth track once you kill the boss

i shouldnt have to buy another jastors when i kill gallywix, just let me upgrade the heroic one i bought

[old venture]

so blefs/velfs will always side spin, nelfs and vulpera will always front flip

[swift tinsel]

if the jetpack cloak made you hover it'd be bis just for that

[shrewd lantern]

yeah this is, my main beef

[bleak night]

ye its bis

[shrewd lantern]

or maybe just have it upgradeable to myth track

once you kill m gally

[old venture]

they could've just made it upgradeable to max and the last 4 or 5 are locked behind killing the boss on mythic

but what do I know

[shrewd lantern]

i've heard priests say the sprocket cloak is really good for them

idk if cope

though

[bleak night]

priests will do literally anything for movespeed

[old venture]

I just work here as an internet janitor

[bleak night]

even play goblin

[swift tinsel]

this, or make the upgrade cost suuuuper high

[bleak night]

so i believe it

[vale pine]

for me its like this

[keen dome]

Have a second item that costs 3 dinars to upgrade the tier

[old venture]

no fuck you, go buy tokens and buy a carry

[shrewd lantern]

"Thats a goblin? no way that's a tank"

[old venture]

[swift tinsel]

damn based af

[vale pine]

if bob is a heroic raider, he will be very happy if he gets a mythic trinket.
Why give bob something he already has instead?

[shrewd lantern]

I mean my biggest beef is purely the fact you can buy a hero piece

that is entirely not upgradeable

even if you kill the boss on mythic

[lethal thorn]

so do i go void rit or echoing void ? did you guys found the actual ppm ?

[vale pine]

i don't care if somone has a mythic trinket if he has not killed the boss why do others

[swift tinsel]

bc they're gatekeepy weirdos

[keen dome]

Yeah

[lucid jackal]

because a next tier exists and u shouldnt, as a heroic raider, have access to shit like mythic jaster, eye, etc

[keen dome]

Unless you pay a lot of real money, I guess

[bleak night]

just buy a few wow tokens and get a boost

[swift tinsel]

doesn't mythic ilvl equate to lfr of the next tier

or is it normal

[keen dome]

Ultimately i feel it's meaningless, the difference isn't huge. But it's a real dumb double standard, and the whole thing is silly

[lucid jackal]

A lot of these items are going to be very strong going into next tier

[keen dome]

If Blizz had just communicated it properly then it'd be whatever

[upbeat sorrel]

ye but some stuff is good until next tier if its not just raw stats

[spiral needle]

Blizzard has made it pretty clear they consider Mythic raid gear special, but there is also the question of where should the line be drawn on the quantity of gear to be given to Bob for bosses he'll never kill.

[swift tinsel]

then they can nerf like transmitter or the other trinkets

[upbeat sorrel]

like sylvanas dagger type stuff

[vale pine]

that makes even less sense

[upbeat sorrel]

or trinkets

[lucid jackal]

Yes but HoC exists, Jaster exists, eye of kezan exists. These are going to be extreme value going into next tier

[vale pine]

the game has high item level gaps to not have too high amounts of carry over power

[swift tinsel]

so they nerf like they do every season

[lucid jackal]

But I want last tiers gear to have value

Not just instantly be dogshit going into another tier

so that joey peanut can get mythic gear for heroic clears

[lethal thorn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[swift tinsel]

it will still have value, but won't carry as far into the next tier

[vale pine]

you must hate crafting then

^^

[bleak night]

god i hate joey

[lucid jackal]

how is crafting related?

[dusk stone]

did we get fixed

[burnt panther]

To be fair, the m+ trinkets should be unlocked for everyone at +17 to make it just as difficult for the raiders

[vale pine]

well people get high item levels without doing the content

[bleak night]

nothing to fix

[vale pine]

which is your concern

[lucid jackal]

It isn't

[spiral needle]

You have to do content for crafting though

[vale pine]

whats your concern then

[lucid jackal]

My issue is with premium raid loot being handed out

[spiral needle]

Gilded crests don't spawn in your mailbox

[lucid jackal]

^

[vale pine]

so you say

[keen dome]

You have to do content to get the gilded crests to upgrade the items, too

[dusk stone]

so we still have the extra 5%? there was suppose to be maintenance today

[vale pine]

if you have your premium loot for 2 or 3 months

someone else who already isn't competing with you in output or anything

[lucid jackal]

It's not about competing its about the principal

[spiral needle]

My gatekeepy reason for not giving out BIS mythic raid loot is they will just tune the next tier around everyone having it, making normal clears mandatory longer than necessary for Mythic raiding

[lucid jackal]

If ur not going to do the hardest content in the game, why are you getting the best loot in the game

[vale pine]

makes you unhappy to get one good item upgraded to mythic

thats pathetic

but what do i know

[lucid jackal]

Thats not what I'm unhappy about lol

[warm compass]

Personal thoughts here, we live in a society where the have nots will be titled by the haves

[vale pine]

then explain it to me

[warm compass]

Pay the same for the game

Why not

[honest saddle]

Isnt the point of gear to be able to do hard content? The gear by itself is worthless.

[warm compass]

Type mindset

[vale pine]

you complain that you don't want somone to get gear, gear is a means to an end

[warm compass]

It's a have and have not mindset

[fierce cedar]

man echoing void is kinda shit lol

[keen dome]

You can literally pay $$$ to get carried and buy the item. Like, it renders this whole idea of it having any kind of preistge moot.

[vale pine]

and this someone else would not compromise your achivements or anything else

[small inlet]

got the CE at last boys

[lilac stag]

This makes 100% sense

[warm compass]

grats

[fierce cedar]

i did 0.5% damage with echoing void on my Mugzee kill

[lilac stag]

earn the gear

[vale pine]

i mean again

if its just about getting high item level loot

[warm compass]

thats coming from a 5 percent mindset though

[vale pine]

you can craft almost max level gear

[warm compass]

95 percent wont like that

[lilac stag]

don’t trivialize CE gear

it’s legit BLP

Not free loot

[vale pine]

crafting is the biggest pain point if gear should not be achivable outside of the content levels you play

[lucid jackal]

Why have gear at all

Just make everybody have the same ilvl go up every week

[bleak night]

the problem is this argument immediately falls apart if the bis trinkets were from m+ instead of raid

[swift tinsel]

now we're talkin

[warm compass]

Gotta keep you in the game

[lucid jackal]

Just make this game have no gear no nothing

Fuck it bro

[lilac stag]

and you know what? They’re not

[honest saddle]

Now you're talking my kinda language

[lilac stag]

and they rarely are

[keen dome]

PvP, lmao

[bleak night]

but they very well might be next season

[lilac stag]

and?

[vale pine]

i mean gear is just a temporary power grind

[warm compass]

Think all gear should be 1/14 like dinars

Choose what to upgrade

[dusk stone]

some games have actually done this in the past like guildwars 1 where the threshold for obtaining bis was not high at all

[keen dome]

Absolutely

[lucid jackal]

Wow has been a game for 15 years about "temporary power grinds"

[bleak night]

why are we mad about the sub rogue being able to get hoc from a boss they havent killed but not mad about a sin rogue being able to just buy signet from doing 12s

how does that make sense

[lilac stag]

The CE gear is going to last a week or two max

[bleak night]

the gear is the same value

[vale pine]

isn't the discussion that some people should not be able to grind/upgrade to a certain level because e.g. they did not kill the last boss of the raid

[lilac stag]

and should be a reward for those that actually got there

[vale pine]

i am a bit lost

[lilac stag]

Not every 3/8 mythic guild

[warm compass]

Wonder about mug

[vale pine]

what makes you unhappy if someone else gets one single gear piece

[lucid jackal]

If u haven't killed the boss on mythic, U shouldn't get access to the loot

[warm compass]

Think also people would be happier if all the gear wasnt stuck on last three

[lucid jackal]

thats my opinion

[warm compass]

Thats worth a damn

[vale pine]

at a point in the season you already don't rly play anymore and completed everything

[lilac stag]

dear lord. @lucid jackal and I in agreement.

[spiral needle]

Because the effects of it will bleed over into the next season

[lilac stag]

earn your damn gear

[swift tinsel]

or pay for the boost

[lilac stag]

there are 80 billion options for gearing

[fallow nimbus]

man that thrill when you see 2 td back to back

[warm compass]

Its like ptw is back

[dusk stone]

500$ mythic house of cards

[swift tinsel]

I mean you can

[lucid jackal]

Exactly. Giving out HoC/Jaster/Eye effects balance going into NEXT season, which is the issue

[lilac stag]

Sorry you’re missing out on the extra 1-2%

[warm compass]

People will buy it

[warm compass]

Imagine if spymasters was back

lel

[vale pine]

i still don't rly get the concern

[lilac stag]

people that want the handouts don’t have a clue the work that goes into CE

[dusk stone]

i think the actual issue is that bis raid gear is bis gear for content outside of raid

[spiral needle]

I seriously doubt anyone against giving mythic raid gear to everyone would be "unhappy" about it. It would just effect next season's balance

[lucid jackal]

The concern is that wow is a game about doing hard content to get good gear

handing out mythic gear to everybody removes that entire paradigm

[dusk stone]

like is the complaint really that you can't get the eye of kezan for m+

[vale pine]

if you only do hard content for gear, then you play the game very diffrent to me

but well

[lucid jackal]

Okay fuu why not make it so that the vault always give mythic gear, ignoring what cotnent u actually did?

[lilac stag]

the gear is part of the reward

[warm compass]

Could make trinkets better and not fillers, sacbrood coming back will be big

[lilac stag]

For the work

[smoky jolt]

i mean its not great for sub is it?

[vale pine]

isn't that how the gearing in final fantasy works

[warm compass]

talking about general

[vale pine]

last time i did hear, there are more people playing ffo than wow

[spiral needle]

Expecting Blizzard to math out trinkets properly before 2 weeks into a season will only lead to disappointment though

[dusk stone]

or is the complaint more centered around already doing hard and not being able to have bis gear because of what type of content

[vale pine]

so i guess its not too bad

^^

[keen dome]

Blizz should've just communicated this system properly from the get-go instead of doing a fucking trash job of it. Which caused all of this contention around it.

[lucid jackal]

I don't play FF for a reason

[dusk stone]

like imagine if we got the trinkets from pvp instead

[lilac stag]

if you actually saw someone in vanilla with full tier 2, it actually meant something.

[lucid jackal]

More people play ret and bm than sub or feral

so should we just turn every wow spec into ret/bm?

[warm compass]

I miss the lvling

[dry plank]

This guys talking about principals and other shit just earn money by boosting.

[spiral needle]

FF's current xpac is bombing, so I seriously doubt it has more players than WoW

[dusk stone]

just get the credit card for your house of cards and jastor diamond

then the whole thing is invalid

[keen dome]

It's not a bad bad luck system, although ti should be in from the get-go to, actually work as bad luck protection. But, man. Refering to it in any shape or form as the S4 DF stuff was their huge mistake.

[vale pine]

i think we can just move on to discuss something else

gear for me is still a means to an end, actually killing the boss is what i care about

[keen dome]

I propose we discuss something that really matters: Why do we, in 2025, not have a poison toggle.

[dusk stone]

yeah, gear is a pain in the ass and a thing in my way to actual performance

[vale pine]

so if people put more value in gear and want to have it as a trophy, i guess you are the target audience for how dinar are designed

[lilac stag]

She would like to know where her free loot (cookies) are?!?!

[keen dome]

Pet the doggie please

[vale pine]

we can agree to disagree on the topic

🤝

[bleak night]

[keen dome]

A friend of mine is leveling his Sub rogue.

We're so back

[spiral needle]

Real question is will Mythic bosses drop trophy items for housing

to really make the casuals mad

[dusk stone]

i hope so

[keen dome]

Just get them in the next expansion. No biggie.

[vale pine]

think housing is not targeted at the hardcore

so if they drop from bosses, then in lfr too

[dusk stone]

what is the name of the toy that changes your appearance including different races?

[keen dome]

Lotro had some cool stuff. I remember killing the Balrog raid boss and I got his giant sword to put outside my hosue

[smoky jolt]

thats totally fine, people need to get their kicks somehow

[keen dome]

https://lotro-wiki.com/images/3/3f/Thaurlach's_Blade.jpg

[vale pine]

but what do i know, maybe you rly need to do mythic to get housing items and only get items in mythic

[vagrant thorn]

well its both, or at least it used to be 😛 my rogue was so badass in vanilla with his BWL claw+chromatically tempered sword
and then I queued up some WSG and destroyed noobs and then stood on the mailbox and showed off my trophies 😄 now gear is generic, I don't even know the names of any of my items except trinkets usually

[spiral needle]

I'm mostly just curious if Blizzard opens that pandora's box. It'd be cool to kill a boss and be able to mount its head like a trophy or get a miniature Gazlowe mech to put somewhere

[bleak night]

my bet is theres a mix of stuff that'll drop at different difficulties

[vale pine]

gear did not work like this since over 10 years

so ye

[dusk stone]

the funny thing is i remember reading an article from long ago where a guy paid like 3,000$ for a bis sword from early wow

[keen dome]

I imagine AotC and CE will award something

[bleak night]

some drops in lfr and some from mythic

[vale pine]

the deisgn changed radically

[keen dome]

Might be as simple as a flag or something

[dusk stone]

and we are actually someone back to that path

[keen dome]

Like a "Hey you got this when it was currant. Here's something to coremorate it"

[vale pine]

ye possible

[keen dome]

I, personally, should get a speical one since I do AotC entirely via pugging.

[bleak night]

yeah a straight jacket

[vale pine]

maybe they do color variations depending on raid difficulty

coild work too

[keen dome]

oh that's the most likely thing yeah

[spiral needle]

Something like that would be NSFW

[shrewd lantern]

There is a fun flavor grind this patch

the trenchcoat mogs

[keen dome]

Ye!

It's an interesting comparison

[shrewd lantern]

Even if i wanna gouge my balls

killing darkfuse goons

for hours

[keen dome]

Visions / Nigfall versus the Darkfuse rep grind

[vale pine]

on a diffrent node

*note

did anyone do og visions

[keen dome]

Yep

[dusk stone]

one thing thats missing from wow that i would like to see at least personally are speed run titles for raids

[shrewd lantern]

Yeah

[swift tinsel]

Undying ones were always cool too

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/straightjacket-straightjacketgirl-gif-347371575958116841

[vale pine]

wcl has a ranking

[swift tinsel]

from wotlk

[bleak night]

i miss titles for server first max level

not that i ever got one

[keen dome]

Yeah, they got so heavily cheesed though

[bleak night]

but it was cool

[keen dome]

I have a guildie who has a load of them.

[bleak night]

thats the fun of it

[lucid jackal]

They should

[bleak night]

see who comes up with the most degenerate way to get there first

[keen dome]

haha

[hazy breach]

Tfw im washed on sub and played poorly on reclear

We'll get em next week

[lilac stag]

[bleak night]

[keen dome]

Just gotta flex those fingers a bit.

[dusk stone]

i use to play swtor, in that game there was a title for completeing the raids in under 60 minutes this was kind of the presitge thing you got our equivalent of doing high end mythic raid

[keen dome]

Did you play at launch, Zorn?

Did you get to experience: Soa in all his glory

[dusk stone]

sadly no, i was 4.0 player

[keen dome]

Alas.

He was so broken on launch and would float through a wall at low HP. Despawn the stairs down to him. Just.. disconnect you.

[bleak night]

i never managed to get to end game in swtor

[keen dome]

incredible raid fight.

[bleak night]

the stories were fun though

[keen dome]

I have the Hutt's hat somewhere

[vale pine]

swtor is a nice game, sadly more niche

[keen dome]

Yeah, but you know what it has that Wow can only dream of having?

Tower of Hanoi raid boss

[fallow nimbus]

man swtor was so fun, hutt ball is the best bg i've ever played

[dusk stone]

what im saying though is that it was actually a good reward for completing crazy hard content

[dusk stone]

the raids were good

[keen dome]

There's a boss where you have to solve a tower of hanoi puzzle to debuff the boss for his damage phase. So one player sits up top doing the puzzle the whole fight lmao

[bleak night]

thats funny

[keen dome]

I was the tower of hanoi guy in my raid group

[bleak night]

reminds me of the bosses in ffxiv where you have to do simple math to pass a mechanic

[fallow nimbus]

i had some giga troll sith marauder build that rooted you on the blastfields

[vale pine]

i am kinda sad that the lol mmo got iced

[bleak night]

and watching everyone fail said simple math

[vale pine]

would have been a propper competition for wow and ffo

[keen dome]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/MQcVeAZ6dg8/hqdefault.jpg

[spiral needle]

To be fair, that simple math boss is more confusing because it isn't clear what you're supposed to do

[keen dome]

One of the raid bosses is a Hutt in a giant battlemech

[dusk stone]

swtor was crazy good, just poorly made and under developed

it was sad

brontes nightmare was a 6 month progression kill for some guilds

[swift tinsel]

I go back to it now and again for nostalgia

[fierce cedar]

0.8% Echoing void on Gallywix. thats a bit better

[bleak night]

it definitely had the potential to be way bigger

[dusk stone]

a single boss alone

[swift tinsel]

'the wow killer'

[dusk stone]

it could have been if they didnt have the subtlety developer for a content designer

[fierce cedar]

ill be honest. i think it would have been pretty bad

thinking about how Rito minetize their game

500 dollar skinns left and right

yeah sounds about right

[vale pine]

i don't care about their moneytization

[fierce cedar]

i see

[vale pine]

i play games for fun

[fierce cedar]

i think its a big deal but thats me

[dusk stone]

if a game was actually competitive with wow, wow would have to raise the stakes

[vale pine]

if they have 50$ skins and people buy them

[swift tinsel]

paying for skins is whatever if there's no power behind them

[bleak night]

cosmetic monetization is whatever

[vale pine]

if its f2p for everyone, i am fine with that

[swift tinsel]

and swtor is pure cosmetic

[dusk stone]

some games entire economies revolved around skins, it was actually fine

[fierce cedar]

i think the cosmetic thing is pretty stupid. the prices are insane

[swift tinsel]

besides some of the boosts for xp

well people pay it

[vale pine]

i am against gambling things like loot boxes, but they have sadly become a common f2p option too

[fierce cedar]

70 dollar horse anyone?

[swift tinsel]

and that will always exist

[dusk stone]

the wow gear thing really does come across as a content engagement farm

[vale pine]

like wow

[fallow nimbus]

did full hc with td

[fierce cedar]

yeah it sucks in wow too lol

[bleak night]

i mean yeah the prices are stupid, but it doesnt hurt my enjoyment of the game for there to be overpriced cosmetics for me to ignore

[vale pine]

i think having store mounts priced high is not good

[fierce cedar]

i dont buy any of it

[swift tinsel]

I bought a mount

[fierce cedar]

sub is all i need baby

[vale pine]

because the game is already supported by a decently high monthly subscription

[swift tinsel]

in like cata

[dusk stone]

in terms of like pure engagement we are more similiar to runescape 3 in how long it takes to get bis and what the gear means

[vale pine]

so a 80$ ah mount is a bit excessive

and feels out of place

[fierce cedar]

insane

[vale pine]

if wow was f2p however

why would i care

[swift tinsel]

yeah I couldn't justify buying the longboi

[vale pine]

i am not paying a cent to play

[dusk stone]

what feels out of place is 60$ boost to level 70

[keen dome]

I'm amazed they've not done WoW F2P up to level 70 or something

Basically give out all content pre-new expansion as F2P

[swift tinsel]

its 20atm isn't it?

[keen dome]

YEah

[bleak night]

hopefully my grandchildren will be able to tell me about the league mmo and if it managed to kill wow

[keen dome]

I guess the argument as to why they don't is: they don't need to so why would they

[fierce cedar]

thats why i stay away from f2p. i can stay away from all that stuff

[keen dome]

But it'd be cool

[fierce cedar]

at least as much as possible

[swift tinsel]

f2p is nice if you're wanting to get a lil nibble of a game

or if it isn't massively gating content behind the sub

[fallow nimbus]

1.28% td at gally hc

[swift tinsel]

iirc that's how swtor is now, you get an xp boost, some credits (i think)

[fallow nimbus]

no procs into adds

[keen dome]

Hat toggle is a premium feature

[hexed sluice]

RuneScape 3 would be my mmo of choice if I could actually get friends to play it. However they play wow so wow it is

[ornate heron]

for the accidental 10% buff... is that reflected in raidbots as well?

[dusk stone]

after playing wow i am a LOT less critical of rs3 developers

[bleak night]

cursed

[keen dome]

One of the most devilish and sneaky decisions: toggle helmet is behind a premium status

And SWTOR has a LOT of horrible looking hats

[swift tinsel]

idk if I have any games I want to play

been kinda nice not playing wow or replacing it with something else

[alpine wraith]

damn doing gaols on mug zee

[keen dome]

Nightreign on fridaaaay

[alpine wraith]

is so bad

for dps

holy

we also didnt break the last zap adds

rip dps

[swift tinsel]

I've heard mixed things about nightreign

[indigo steppe]

WE'RE FUCKING BACK BABY

[swift tinsel]

I love the lore implications tho

[keen dome]

My current game is joining Vexie pugs trying to parse on heroic

[swift tinsel]

having all soulsborne characters be fair game

[fallow nimbus]

need to 1 phase her

[swift tinsel]

maybe I go back and do DS1-3 and Elden Ring again

[dusk stone]

its hilarious the extra 5% kind of broke us lol

[swift tinsel]

and by 1-3 I mean 1 and 3 and skip DS2

[keen dome]

Ye. The group I had earlier did that and we killed her in one phase BUT they hero'd on pull

And she died before my second SecTec in cooldowns during the amp

[dusk stone]

but maybe we just have the issue where we're so use to being bad lol

[timid rivet]

is this good for us ? sim good but i've see no sub with it (crit versa) idk if i go for it or better jastor diamond hero or/and crafted ring

[fallow nimbus]

was at 5mio right after the dmg amp

[dusk stone]

its not a particularly great ring

[fallow nimbus]

i did more dmg than the bikes

[keen dome]

Damn

I'm pretty confident I can end really high but just gotta find the ideal circumstances

[dusk stone]

im happy for you raiders that we are good in raid

if we dont get nerfed i might bother looking for a mythic guild

[fallow nimbus]

1 phase, adds and blast

[keen dome]

Ye. Ideal.

[fallow nimbus]

proc some td into adds

[keen dome]

Ideally with the raid properly stacked so all the bikes come in at a good angle and secTec can snap 'em as they hit the wall / go by

[fallow nimbus]

i need a 2nd helmet with socket, so i can go gw st and td rest

[dusk stone]

are horrific visions fixed and can i obtain greater enchantment

[graceful crown]

Remember that blizz can fix that +5% extra :(

[swift tinsel]

shhhhh

[keen dome]

They can't because I'm having fun

[ornate heron]

is the accidental 10% nerf reflected in raidbots currently?

[swift tinsel]

there is no extra 5%

shhhhhh

SH

[graceful crown]

Hahaha true!

[swift tinsel]

stop

tsss

[fallow nimbus]

fucking priests trolled my stix log wtf

[keen dome]

Criminals

[fallow nimbus]

got 2 pi at the end

[keen dome]

Villains

[swift tinsel]

ret paladin asking why I think their spec is dumb

[dusk stone]

just send him the faceroll keyboard meme

[swift tinsel]

he uses hekili he might take notes

[graceful crown]

Pi on sub

High value good priests

[dusk stone]

did you tell him to use the 1 button rotation because nothing will change for him?

[swift tinsel]

he said he can't wait

[bleak night]

I can't either

Plan is still to play enhance with 0 prior knowledge or research

Just one button rotation

[dusk stone]

someone should make a youtube series about doing m+ from a ret paladins perspective, but actually play the bit

[bleak night]

And terrorise pugs

[idle veldt]

So is sub cranking yet after Tuesday's buff?

[keen dome]

Blasting

[round latch]

[vale pine]

they accidentally buffed sub by twice the intended amount

so ye we blasting

[spice matrix]

accidentally buffed the right amount

[round latch]

there is no right amount

[round latch]

idk if my magic ball is right but hope it remains as it is now

[idle veldt]

Oh shit I need to go play before they realize 🤣

[bright elk]

if they do reduce the buff it would be cool to see them let us keep 7 or 8% lol

[dusk stone]

i suspect 3% nerf

[vale pine]

i don't know how we rank up statistically

do we beat other rogue specs?

[tender frost]

on most fights it seems like it

[fair viper]

yep i played all 3. without a doubt

m+

[tender frost]

gally and mug for sure

[shut jay]

they'll nerf us 5% and then buff us 5% for 11.2

[vale pine]

i am curios

because the buff might be in line or like 2% ahead of others

[round latch]

idk but sub's definitely competitive at least

[tender frost]

it certainly doesn't make the spec game breaking by any means

[warm marlin]

im pretty sure sub wins pure st as well i.e. sprocket

[fair viper]

its funny that we are still barely keeping up with ret or mage damage with the 10% in m+

[vale pine]

its like a 8-9% buff

[fair viper]

ye

[vale pine]

so ye makes sense that we are a lot more competitive

[round latch]

yup

sub's back

[vale pine]

i just wonder if we are outstanding, or just competitive

[bleak night]

obviously small sample size since its just one day

[opal nest]

competitive

[bleak night]

but sub is doing very well lol

[tender frost]

its super skewed but they did jump significantly

[hazy breach]

Shockingly the spec looks better after a 10% buff

[bleak night]

ye amazing

[lucid jackal]

wait so ur telling me the spec wasn't 25% behind

[vale pine]

ye, that looks like 2-3% ahead of the middle

[lucid jackal]

Sampling bias is a thing

[round latch]

foreversubguy

[hazy breach]

[round latch]

[tender frost]

boss damage is pretty similar, top 3 overall

assume it goes up as more ppl play it but

[lucid jackal]

probably goes down tbqh

[fair viper]

st output on m+ boss's are not what we ever see from any spec in m+ tho as our aoe talents are so close to st

[fair viper]

that part is totally broken

[lucid jackal]

More people see how good it is, more bad players gravitate towards it, rather than just the sub diehards going back to the spec

[bleak night]

fotm will see sub doing well and bring it down some

[hazy breach]

Dw im a diehard and i played horrible (not on purpose)

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1076534008231501874/1377367582654337064/image.png?ex=6838b505&is=68376385&hm=5e4ca2a2aec1611437b23ad10d7cc9a779e76c9779d4c7ecd7783ee041f3c5e8&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=712&height=644
Like me standing inside this beam apparently

[spiral needle]

Are people meming or did they actually overbuff sub on accident

[bleak night]

they actually did yes

[lucid jackal]

It got the 5% buff twice

[bleak night]

two 5% buffs

[lucid jackal]

So it got a 10% buff this reset

Not a joke

[spiral needle]

ok i thought i was losing my mind when I looked at last 24 hours of WCL

[opal nest]

are we sure it wasn’t on purpose

[spiral needle]

5% should have put them right at sin

[tidal marsh]

Just a cheeky lil meme pin by Eleem

[tender frost]

do they ever create a separate aura instead of just adjusting the base

seems kinda weird

[bleak night]

realz had to find a way to sneak in the extra for you guys

[chrome palm]

As long as there ain’t a wowhead article about it we good

[lucid jackal]

The spec is performing way better on average than even a 10% aura buff, just saying

Because of how sampling bias works

[hollow spear]

40-50%

[hallow ice]

Crazy how a 10% aura buff doesn’t make it top dps still lol

[sturdy cliff]

Don’t wake me up from this dream.

[opal nest]

it was the worst spec in the game

[spiral needle]

next thing you know, realz will fix killing spree too

[hollow spear]

Is it called sampling bias? I thought that effect had a different name.

[tender frost]

it probably wasn't as bad as it looked pre buff tbf just nobody played it because you get better numbers on a diff spec

[lucid jackal]

Probably goes by multiple names

[alpine wraith]

damn forgot to black powder on first 4 min adds

rip parse

[warm marlin]

i sent my cold blood sectec on the 7min adds into a technician that got touch of deathed so none of the clones hit

[hallow ice]

Wasn’t sub thought to be the go to spec this tier at the beginning? What happened?

[honest saddle]

Everything else got buffed.

Sub didn't

[lucid jackal]

It was, then sin got buffed

Every other spec in the game also got buffed

More and more good players swap and default to sin on everything, because its a smidge better

Average go down

[hallow ice]

The passive cleave of sin and the execute make it a more desirable profile as well I imagine?

[lucid jackal]

No

On mugzee yes

[warm marlin]

well sub also passive cleaves

[lucid jackal]

Every other boss it didn't matter

Onlyr eason is cuz sin was tuned higher than sub

[warm marlin]

assa cleave is better in some cases because caustic being funny hehe

[spiral needle]

Sub was go to until priority add damage stopped mattering

Then sin takes over

[patent lichen]

Smorc tunnel boss

[lucid jackal]

Just for reverence This was before buff

[fair viper]

tbf sub overall damage was more than 15% behind assa in m+

[lucid jackal]

vs now

[lilac stag]

keep in mind it’s also the die hards playing it the first 24 hours

[spiral needle]

all that graph tells me is aug needs more nerfs

[warm marlin]

82.5 score + 10% -> 91% score

[lilac stag]

next week will be interesting to see with more parses

[warm marlin]

seems about right to me

[bleak night]

me when 10% buffed spec goes up by 10%

[spiral needle]

It'd be kind of funny if they just let it ride since sub still isn't #1

[fair viper]

what angers me is that we are not even broken with the 10%

[spiral needle]

need hoc more than ever

[lucid jackal]

How do u get buffed and be upset

U genuinely need to fix your brain

[warm marlin]

I think sub is pretty strong in raid with the 10% idk

ur top 3 on most fights

[lucid jackal]

Its very strong lol

[tough knot]

We were buffed 10% and not gapping everyone else? Refund now, blizz

[warm marlin]

you dont want to be "broken"

thats how you get nerfed

unless you're mage

[spiral needle]

every spec is mad if they aren't top 3 overall

[fair viper]

ye thats what im saying haha see how bad we were before

[tough knot]

Oh don't worry they are still probably reverting to 5% anyway

[tough knot]

I was being sarcastic

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

Doomer mentality thinking it’s gonna get rug yanked

It’s been going on all day

[lucid jackal]

JUST BE HAPPY FOR ONCE

THE SPEC IS GOOD SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

[fair viper]

🤣

[vale pine]

you okay guy

you seem upset

[warm marlin]

I understand guy more and more every day and that upsets me the most

[keen dome]

Just go pug heroic and do BIG DAMAGE and have a GOOD TIME

it's fun

[bleak night]

im gonna go parse lfr later

[lucid jackal]

The issue is I'm right all the time it just takes awhile for people to realize it

[bleak night]

[lucid jackal]

[keen dome]

Hell yes

[warm marlin]

alright now thats too far

[keen dome]

I did another Vexie before realizing I'm in the wrong talents.

[warm marlin]

you do a little bit of contrarian ragebaiting sometimes for sure

[spiral needle]

the correct answer is to leave sub as is so sin once again gets buffed past it

[bleak night]

actually good point

[tough knot]

You defended outlaw having CDR on dance on the beta...

[vale pine]

correct

[lucid jackal]

Don't make me post the tierlist

[vale pine]

SL in amazing

thats a cook

[keen dome]

Damn, DF in Bad?

[warm marlin]

see now this is the contrarian ragebait I was referring to

[keen dome]

That's a tier list alright

[spiral needle]

legion was bad until last season

[plush roost]

SL was amazing, it made me stop playing and improve my life

[lucid jackal]

So wrong it hurts

[tough knot]

Throw legion and BFA on shit tier and I agree with you there

[plush roost]

W expac

[spiral needle]

everyone forgets getting stuck with awful legos and grinding the ship dungeon for AP

[bleak night]

real

[keen dome]

Putting WoD sqaurely in Good is accurate though

[lucid jackal]

Anybody who hates legion seems to forget how amazing the M+ systems, class halls, and artifact weapons were

[tough knot]

Wod was good if you liked raiding and having time to play other games

[vale pine]

i mean we all know that DF was mid at best ^^

[spiral needle]

ok it introducing M+ is a strong point

[vale pine]

[plush roost]

Artifact weapons were super cool

Ap grinding was not

[spiral needle]

but im biased because my BIS lego was my last lego

[lilac stag]

People forgot what it’s like to actually do damage

[keen dome]

A big factor on enjoying Legion seems to be if you got your good legendary from the get-go or suffered

[vale pine]

legion is corret in the list

[tough knot]

Maybe they're just trying to inflict emotional damage to guy

[keen dome]

toss on some good music, queue into LFR. Try to get a 100 healing parse

[lilac stag]

Nah cause I was dealing with this shit 10 hours ago

[lucid jackal]

"An expansion is only as good as your ability to get full bis" - Legion haters

My rogue got dogshit legendaries, still the best expac

[lilac stag]

people just have fun and stop worrying about it

[upbeat cradle]

is Twilight Devastation RPPM haste modified ?

[upbeat cradle]

same tbh

[tough knot]

Legion did give us DFA sub, so maybe it wasn't that bad

[upbeat cradle]

i just didn't like the grind for AP

[tough knot]

But fuck the ap grind

[lucid jackal]

AP grind only existed for tryhards

none of u were tryhards back then so its a fake critism

None of u did 800 maw of souls on 4 characters

[plush roost]

I tried to be a tryhard mr

My grey 6 parse on skorpion

[tough knot]

Coming from wod where I could just raid log, just the fact that I had to log in outside of raid night was bad enough

[plush roost]

Was pinnacle gameplay to aspire to

[lucid jackal]

"It was just my legendaries bro if I had good legendaries"

[plush roost]

Lmao as sub not even

I think i has the boots

That made strike cost less?

Was that good?

[vale pine]

legion introduced all core systems of wow we still have

like m+

hot take. Titanforging was not a problem

[lucid jackal]

No expac is gonna compete with midnight tho cuz housing is literally going to save WoW

[bleak night]

so one core system

[lucid jackal]

M+, the vault

[keen dome]

MoP introduced pet battles,t hough

that's a pretty important system

[bleak night]

ok i can agree with this one at least

[plush roost]

True

Pet battles are core to my ToP experience now

[tough knot]

Housing can be a big draw for casual players yeah

[vale pine]

haha

[lucid jackal]

..yeah.. casuals

[bleak night]

housing can be a big draw for anyone who doesnt hate fun

[vale pine]

its funny how guy did just mention people dooming

[keen dome]

My house is going to be the bes thouse

[tough knot]

I know quite a few casuals who went to ff14 just to role play in their little housing night clubs

[young fog]

Only house I need is the fking house of cards

[vale pine]

and then says wow needs to be saved^^

[keen dome]

there's absolutely gonna be someone who get sinto mythic raiding just because of housing

[vale pine]

wow just needs to get rid of some restrictins

[keen dome]

NIght elf shamans when

[tough knot]

Yeah, more players at the base means more players at the top

[vale pine]

and mythic becomes way more playable for many

[bleak night]

make pugging mythic not such a pain in the ass

and more people will do mythic

[keen dome]

Delete the lockout

[bleak night]

lockouts in 2025

[keen dome]

🙏

[bleak night]

smh

[bronze turret]

too late

[manic island]

dude this spec is such ass 😦

[bleak night]

no this spec is such sub

[plush roost]

They should just make 10 man mythic with 4/4 myth track if theyre so hard pressed to make 20 man the "premier" difficulty

[manic island]

its the most fun but man its like swimming quicksand

[plush roost]

Howso? No skyfury

:^)

[tough knot]

Last time I played sub we only had 1 charge of symbols

[manic island]

feelsoldman

DF sub was better

[lucid jackal]

me when I'm wrong

[inner pollen]

What’s the best head enchantment for sub

[dreamy badger]

the sim one

[hollow spear]

I think it's called Checkthe Pins

[hollow spear]

Or that

[bleak night]

this channel will come to feel whispyrs pain

[dreamy badger]

probably gushing or ritual

[hollow spear]

Guys, are we allowed to go to bed?

[vale pine]

welcome back to sub

[vale pine]

yes

[swift tinsel]

when you wake up, sub will be deleted tho

sweet dreams

[hollow spear]

That's why I was asking

But fuu said yes

[swift tinsel]

just manifest it not happening

oh okay fair

[keen dome]

They can't delete sub. I'm a load bearing player with my /played, surely.

[swift tinsel]

Its true, you do have 84 years playtime

in-game

[vale pine]

not much we can do if they nerf/hotfix us

but

[empty cargo]

When are head enchants a thing in season 2? Did I miss something

[tough knot]

Realz was just typing a moment ago, maybe he can confirm if this will stay

[hollow spear]

Should this worry us?

[vale pine]

na

[swift tinsel]

probably just popping in to say hi

[vale pine]

i am sure they can read their spell data updates, and see how they applied a buff twice

[swift tinsel]

Hope things are going well Realz 🫡

[alpine wraith]

yea it will likely get reverted but we already parsed too late

[vale pine]

its just a question if they revert one of the buffs or keep as is

[hollow spear]

Hi gooners, how does your day in the sun feel like?

[tough knot]

They could be here just to wish a very early merry Christmas?

[bleak night]

[swift tinsel]

I work in a basement for now

[hollow spear]

I was parsing visions today

[vale pine]

e.g. lets see

[bleak night]

i forgor to get all the masks from stormwind last week

so now im just waiting until next week to get everything done

[vale pine]

the diffrence between sin and sub

is ~2-3%

[hollow spear]

Last thing he asked was how we feel without dust. I feel good!

[lucid jackal]

Itll go down as people start playing the spec more

[vale pine]

^

[hollow spear]

Yeah

[vale pine]

probably

[full acorn]

Maybe Sub buff for high keys too!

[hollow spear]

I haven't played yet

[warm compass]

:(, why am i being called out

[hollow spear]

I'm good for - 0.5%

[tough knot]

Same

There was someone streaming some high sub keys just now

[hollow spear]

My parses are greyer than my hair and that means something

[vale pine]

the russion sub otp?

[full acorn]

@vale pine That dosnt count

[swift tinsel]

dude i'm finding so much more salt in the pepper in my hair now

I kinda dig it lol

looks good in a mullet

[hollow spear]

You rocking a mullet?

[swift tinsel]

oh hell yeah

mullet, mustache, nose ring combo

[young roost]

who?

[hollow spear]

Did you get that approved by Australia?

[swift tinsel]

lmao I'm a bit more NA than that

[tough knot]

Lashga was doing a 19 dfc earlier

[bleak night]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[swift tinsel]

I have an Aussie friend that can vouch tho

[warm compass]

They too busy fighting the wildlife to answer

[alpine wraith]

damn the diff between not hitting the 3 zap adds or not on mug ze is so big

same with being imprisoned perma

[hollow spear]

Adds melt like butter in the sun

[west tide]

my goal will be to play sub and do so poorly that u guys will not be on top so we get more buffs later

[hollow spear]

I'd be alright with things just staying the way they're right now

[west tide]

i heard sub is the goat in mop classic

real and true?

[keen dome]

Absolutely

[alpine wraith]

it is quite bad until last raid

and then you only really play sub in 2 bosses because of bitch mechanics

garrosh and darkfuse

although you can play it on others just will do less than combat

[hollow spear]

I remember playing combat in siege

[west tide]

ok so combat the goat gotcha

[alpine wraith]

oh you can also play it on the scorpion

[west tide]

ill be combat focused we up

[alpine wraith]

and the sha of whatever his name is

[hollow spear]

Always confuse those shas

[alpine wraith]

sha of pride

actually now that im seeing things

sub was quite fine on most

[keen dome]

See! I speak the truth

[west tide]

was it funn

[lilac stag]

Hey guys. New to Sub rouge. Is Echoing Void still bugged?

[keen dome]

Maybe

[lilac stag]

That’s not very helpful

[keen dome]

It's a solid possibly

[vale pine]

throw the dice

[lilac stag]

!CORRUPTION

[vale pine]

if it lands on a odd number its bugged, if its a even it works

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons8ball-deez-nuts-8ball-make-a-wish-merps-gif-26138412

[lilac stag]

!CORRUPTIONS

[vale pine]

need to roll the dice every boss tho

[lucid atlas]

what should i craft i got double myth track rik daggers

[lilac stag]

Neck. Wrists. Boots.

[lucid atlas]

and which embellishments ?

[lilac stag]

Focusing

[bleak night]

[lilac stag]

DN

[bleak night]

stop focusing and answer him

[lilac stag]

[dusk stone]

chest if you dont have access to myth chest

you need other set pieces tho

[lilac stag]

You don’t craft chest

Gloves if anything.

[swift tinsel]

Gloves if anything tier-slot

[lucid atlas]

i already crafted cloak and feet but got no sockets do I still go with focusing lens embellishments

[dusk stone]

why no craft chest?

[swift tinsel]

Because

[keen dome]

You can have sockets on your rings / neck

[swift tinsel]

Gloves are they worst itemized tier slot

[dusk stone]

i had to eat the haste gloves sure, but 10ilvl of chest matters the most aside from legs no?

[lilac stag]

Put sockets on your rings and neck

[lilac stag]

You literally give the wrong answer every time

[keen dome]

The item is called Magnificent Jeweler's Setting, if you don't know it. It adds one, then a second socket to all rings / necks.

[lucid atlas]

focusing lens embellishment on cloak and feet?

[swift tinsel]

Yeah that works

[keen dome]

sure if you want

[lucid atlas]

ok understood

[swift tinsel]

Haven’t checked AH boots lately

Might not be crazy priced anymore

[lilac stag]

700k

[swift tinsel]

Ah that’s nothing

[lilac stag]

They’re only .1 better than tier boots (heavy vers lows haste)

[hollow spear]

With how many sparks we got, might as well save the gold and craft

[lilac stag]

They’re like .2 better than crafted

Minimal shit

[hollow spear]

Call me crazy, but I'm not spending 700k on .2

[swift tinsel]

Ye crafting is ez esp this late

[dusk stone]

hero chest and crafted gloves are a trap

[hollow spear]

I'd still never craft a chest

Like what

The second you get myth tier, it goes straight into the bin

[alpine wraith]

just be like iw as going to be and spend 5 mil for leech

kek

[dusk stone]

yeah, if you get myth chest

[hollow spear]

Crafted myth gloves are there to stay

[lilac stag]

Fantasy island. That’s the last thing you’d craft. There’s a ton of chests in vault

[dusk stone]

i have not seen a singular one in vault

[lilac stag]

Get better vaults

[keen dome]

It took me ages to see a Myth chest, but there wasn't a point where crafting a Gilded was better than Myth gloves + heroic chest

[hollow spear]

Holy moly, my sim loves crit/vers

[brittle plinth]

So my take away is cata random myth boots into tier boots?

I'll sim yo momma @lilac stag

Jk

[dusk stone]

i ended up having to forgo like two weeks of stuff because i took crafted gloves

[keen dome]

This conversation made me remember I never actually cata'd my Vexie boots

[brittle plinth]

I have it's not worth over crafted

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-welcome-moana-maui-gif-14605032

[keen dome]

I thought I did ages ago and obviously forgot, so I've been using the Big Haste low versa version lmao

[dusk stone]

but yeah like i said if you don't have access to chest don't craft gloves

so this is why ffs

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/listening-go-on-gif-27519524

[vale pine]

** Hotfix**

It seems like there was a hotfix pushed to fix the accidental double buff.
Have a nice day.

[native zodiac]

@vale pine are we cooked? https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/3679d03a25620baa2bb356b7afccafd1ea994a97#diff-88c403e0609ca96567707cc62d15a29032923ea053a6245e317006f4eafe0ac9R77511-L77513

[native zodiac]

ok nvm that was some timing lmao

[vale pine]

^^

[keen dome]

[dusk stone]

well that sucks

[lilac stag]

TLDR. Only time you’re crafting a chest is if you’ve upgraded everything else and literally have nothing to spend crests on.

[hazy breach]

GG

[lilac stag]

Back to mid. Was fun for a day.

[keen dome]

Oh well, at least we still have 4.6% better damage

[native zodiac]

literally just finished raid

had fun for 4 hours i guess