subtlety

[bleak night]

based

[mighty citrus]

on gally mythic, why do some top logs wait 30secs for first cds?

[hollow spear]

Optionally, you can then get mad and get killed by the hammer

[bleak night]

shadowstep to ranged with knockup first

[tender frost]

Add spawns

[hazy breach]

padding on adds

[tender frost]

And then it just lines up from there

[hollow spear]

Sub is a very satisfying pad spec

[mighty citrus]

puhhhh

iam too old for getting into padding

[haughty mural]

I meant actually that, yes… me scusi

[hazy breach]

Boss damage parsing

[hollow spear]

You have to become one with the pad for good parses

[hazy breach]

(you can definitely "padd" on boss damage rankings as well)

[vestal escarp]

[zenith prism]

we are soooo back

[vestal escarp]

above sin? yeah this aint lastin

[bleak night]

flew too close to the sun

shouldve sandbagged a bit more

[lilac stag]

Finally Aug back to bottom

[bleak night]

another 10% inc

[haughty mural]

Don’t tell them reds

[hollow spear]

This week's sub parses deleted off wcl, buff revert, new bugs introduced

[vestal escarp]

good good bad?

[merry agate]

enjoy while it lasts bois

raidnight on friday

Its joever for me

[zenith prism]

I'm afraid that's what blizz will do

[haughty mural]

Stop dooming

Have fun

(:

[hollow spear]

I can't

[haughty mural]

https://tenor.com/view/tonight-doom-gif-19873326

[formal helm]

I had un

fun*

[hollow spear]

I'm stuck with a laptop and an empty mouse

[formal helm]

outdmged boomie and a udk

ez

[hollow spear]

And my guild extends on mug

It's joever

[merry agate]

-5% reverse will be double as well so +-0

[haughty mural]

Are you alone in your vacation ?

[hollow spear]

No, but my better half is asleep on her sunbed

Free time to doom

And I finished reading my book, life is hard

[haughty mural]

I wouldn’t be allowed to recraft things when we are

Let alone grind visions

Empty mouse or not

[hollow spear]

I have a very understanding partner

[haughty mural]

I do too.. usually - just not when we are away

[hollow spear]

I've been good for two weeks

[graceful crown]

is echoing void still bugged

[lilac stag]

384 parses fwiw.

[hollow spear]

A lot of pumpers as well

[lilac stag]

we actually go up with all percentiles

[lofty path]

yes, you expect results from this small indie company?

[hollow spear]

I wasn't there to make us look bad

[lilac stag]

So yeah it’s people that can play it

[formal helm]

dw, I haven't raided yet either

[graceful crown]

fr. it is a super new and innovative system too, they never had corruptions or visions before :/

[lofty path]

yeah and we need maximum player retention

[bleak night]

dw i did my best to make sub look bad

[lofty path]

so let's timegate old content no one really cares for

[bleak night]

got stunned for 15s on oab during opener

[lofty path]

[lilac stag]

Basically 48 - 52 players depending on what got cleared

[bleak night]

[lofty path]

that is depressing

[lilac stag]

Have you tried race swapping to human?

[bleak night]

ive never been closer to considering it than i was just then

[graceful crown]

anyone else using twilight devastation or should i hivemind ritual

sim 2 target patchwerk is saying twilight

[lilac stag]

GW in raid

[alpine wraith]

depends how spicy do you like pulling extra mobs in m+

[lofty path]

I just use gushing b/c I don't do keys high enough where it matters

[lilac stag]

TD pulls extra shit

[graceful crown]

i got 3k and quit m+

[lofty path]

and it's better for raid

[alpine wraith]

yea void ritual and gush are both fine for raid

[lilac stag]

VR is amazing … when it procs… outside of CDs.

[lofty path]

listen assassination needs that extra damage outside of CDs

[lilac stag]

getting us over healer dmg

[alpine wraith]

it procs quite a bit at least

[lofty path]

you leave VR alone

[graceful crown]

yeah but gw is only good in pure st no?

[lilac stag]

What cds? Kb is a joke. You have DM and that’s it. Hahah

[lofty path]

listen surely they buff KB next patch

[lilac stag]

turning into outlaw no cd spec

[lofty path]

🙂

[lilac stag]

just half the apm

[lofty path]

okay I am a die hard for outlaw (I hate myself)

I was so excited to do outlaw for this raid

and then

back to assassination

🙂

[lilac stag]

Don’t worry. Next patch KB and KS get mixed up.

[lofty path]

as per usual

[graceful crown]

just play what you want to play, life hack

[round latch]

Greater head enchants dont scale with ilvl aight?

[alpine wraith]

kb has been nerfed like 3 times

[graceful crown]

unless you're like pro player top 1% golden legendary race to world first, who cares

[alpine wraith]

think they dont like it

like

maybe it will die soon

[lofty path]

outlaw is miserable playing KS in raid

[lilac stag]

Button bloat on Assa.

[lofty path]

although it is fun when the raid lead freaks out when you get a mech during it

[graceful crown]

true, true, it does kill you more than help you and god forbid you get a mechanic during it LOL

[swift tinsel]

Fingerguns kekw

[lofty path]

imagine getting lines on mythic gally after pressing KS

[lilac stag]

Outlaw certified fresh without KS. With it, rotten 🍅

[lofty path]

I'm already disoriented from the cast, let alone trying to see what direction the lines are going

[lilac stag]

it’s a rave

Cinderbrew is like that as well

[bright elk]

watching the raid react to the beam jumping around on Carnage makes KS bis

[alpine wraith]

there was a clip with outlaw and line on flarendo

it was cinema

[bright elk]

My guildie got a lot of shit for that lol

[lilac stag]

I wonder if it’ll go off mid flight.

[lofty path]

only if you cast it after getting it

it will either go off during or after you land

[lilac stag]

[lofty path]

either way

you have a high chance of just killing your raid

[lilac stag]

Perfect

healers need to parse too

[lofty path]

healers can't parse on corpses

[lilac stag]

Fight gets extended.

[hazy breach]

Not in raid but still

Great clip

[alpine wraith]

you round me round round baby round round

[lofty path]

oh I'm saving this clip

[lilac stag]

Zac could make YouTube shorts of all his KS deaths and carnage.

[worn ivy]

hello new to sub is sub buffs gonna change anything in m+?

[lofty path]

sub just does more damage

nothing really changed

still behind sin

[hollow spear]

It's an aura buff, how would that change anything

[zenith prism]

saved from another guy

[lilac stag]

Play

[vestal escarp]

chat he needs 2 minutes after boss

[lilac stag]

That’s a pretty efficient clear

[graceful crown]

it's so peak

[zenith prism]

360 deg clean

[hazy breach]

You sure about that

[lofty path]

I miss the days of using KS on dawnbreaker and falling through the floor and dying

[lofty path]

it was about m+

[hazy breach]

Idk think sub is gonna be the play in a couple of dungeons now

[lofty path]

how the fuck did that guy do so much damage on that boss as sub

that's crazy

[lilac stag]

just crit 4head

[swift tinsel]

click on their heads

[leaden prairie]

i was thinking of making a compilation actually

[lofty path]

you should

the content would be crazy

[leaden prairie]

Issue is I'm doing less and less killing spree mistakes

[lilac stag]

I think there’s more money in shorts

[leaden prairie]

I did an entire 20ws without cheating death from killing spree !

[lofty path]

!!

[graceful crown]

i remember a vid of a stream, on mythic cauldron, the outlaw rogue got the dino frontal during KS

it was funny

[leaden prairie]

Well a compilation but in short format

Thought

[hazy breach]

Gamer

[lilac stag]

you need over 8 mins for the advert money

Shorts are just keep pumping them out

[fickle mason]

What are toughts on Sub>Sin for GallyM post buff? I feel like sub is goodge

[lilac stag]

It was always fine on gally

Now it’s more fine

[lucid jackal]

Play whatever Ur comfy on cuz its a 40 pull boss

[hazy breach]

Spec is very good after enormous buff yes

[fickle mason]

What value can I use to justify switching all my gear, bout to kill mugzee

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-gif-1807502725802114204

[clever delta]

americans still sleaping that we are not reverted yet

[fickle mason]

What different* does sub do then sin for Gally*

[lofty path]

play sub if you need more add damage (or want to pad ), play sin if you need boss dam

or just say fuck it and play what you want

[lilac stag]

This

[clever delta]

just play assa you will be fine

[leaden prairie]

i make 32 mins videos

keys are 30 min +

[lilac stag]

Sub prevents you from falling asleep in raid.

[leaden prairie]

big money ?

[lofty path]

your soul will wither away as you do sin ST rotation

which is just running out of energy and being sad

[lilac stag]

Keys are boring AF

[lofty path]

for half the fight

[leaden prairie]

??????

wtf ! !

[lilac stag]

I legit can’t get past 2-3 minutes of a key video.

[haughty mural]

Scathing so based today

Just spitting

[alpine wraith]

dont so shorts they dont give money if you want to do a compilation make a video

[clever delta]

zac keys are fun, he always find new way to deplete

[alpine wraith]

but you can put shorts linking to the compilation

[leaden prairie]

i dont upload the depletes to youtube tho

[lilac stag]

Those would be better

[alpine wraith]

or double dip just upload every clip then a compilation like all people do

[clever delta]

i never watched your yt tho 😄

[lilac stag]

Show the trainwreck unfolding

[leaden prairie]

me neither

[lilac stag]

I’m here for watching a group lose it shit

That’s quality key content

[bleak night]

yeah best content is depletes

and people raging at each other

[clever delta]

cant wait for mdi ends and kush streaming some proper rogue keys 😄

[fickle mason]

Any tips to not suck ass on Gally?

[alpine wraith]

pad on adds

also you dont need to go away on the big booms

in p2 and p3

[clever delta]

propably not pad on adds on first kill 😄

[alpine wraith]

just feint and go max melee range

adds need to die asap tho

it is good pad

both wrenchmongers and the ones that cast in p2 need to die super fast

[leaden prairie]

i dont even voice with the people i play rn

[tender frost]

anyone know what % of dam Zee's passive usually is

mine was like 1% which seems a lil low

[leaden prairie]

so i have no idea if they are losing their shit

[fickle mason]

With cloak? Or feint?

[alpine wraith]

depends on fight timer

read below

[clever delta]

i saw the zee between 1-2.5% max

seems rather shit

[tender frost]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xn4KDbp1Zqh6dA8y?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=26 it also looks like i had it not proc on bl tho

[alpine wraith]

it is not that good but any trinket is really

[tender frost]

so thats unlucky

[alpine wraith]

if they use bl before pull

it doe snot proc

shite trink

[hazy breach]

Before you've done damage

Not before pull

[tender frost]

despair

[clever delta]

yeah i was thiunking about it

[alpine wraith]

yea just strike with evasion on 1

[hazy breach]

Just play pacemaker or something instead

[alpine wraith]

fuck casters

[clever delta]

and actually it would happen most of our pulls i think 😄

[hazy breach]

Sims the same now after patch anyway

[tender frost]

yeah thats next week's buy

[alpine wraith]

yea more ability dmg

big D

[clever delta]

im just not sure if i play gushing or ritual

[alpine wraith]

next week buy is kezan for me as i already have hoc jastor and pacemaker

[clever delta]

the ritual seems rather random

[alpine wraith]

it can be random but not really

[hazy breach]

Also should probably play first dance on everything that isnt gally now

[alpine wraith]

has really high uptime

[lilac stag]

Gushing was 2.1-2.3% of my dmg on mugz

[mighty citrus]

same for me on gally and mugz

[clever delta]

i was simming first dance and it was shit

so idk

[lilac stag]

what did you drop for it?

[clever delta]

wm?

[alpine wraith]

first dance sims better than wm for me

kek

[lucid jackal]

More damage at the start of the fight, less at the end

[alpine wraith]

you are also tankier but that is whatever now

[lucid jackal]

The margins on rogue are so slim it really should be just "what spec is more comfy"

[lilac stag]

try dropping RS.

just curious

[alpine wraith]

rs is more than wm

ahahaha

[lilac stag]

it should be, but try it

watch WM scale with the ilvl shit. Hahah

[alpine wraith]

rs would scale more

even more because of VR affecting rupture XD

[lilac stag]

should

[clever delta]

oh shit not the first dance sim better .D

[alpine wraith]

i wonder if the burst build is even closer now

[clever delta]

than 2 days ago

[hazy breach]

Nothing really changed so no

[clever delta]

its break even at 4min tho

what even 3min boss now

[lilac stag]

Someone data mine NA. Check the auras. Haha

[fickle mason]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[clever delta]

we kill only rik under 4min tho

[smoky jolt]

if i have a 671 OH - should i craft a second dagger?

[alpine wraith]

oh wm is 0,2 ahead now

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vr2rmVv76HD4q7M7hGpQS2

[kind bluff]

I spent my dinar on thug hotline

[clever delta]

unlucky

[tepid trellis]

o7

[alpine wraith]

damn thug hotline dinar

[hazy breach]

raid_events+=/buff,buff_name=supercharge_1,first=0,cooldown=999999 raid_events+=/buff,buff_name=supercharge_2,first=0,cooldown=999999
Can add this to expert mode to get it to use pre-symbols

[alpine wraith]

what a crazy world

[left ledge]

You know

[kind bluff]

It was simming as my best

[left ledge]

With the 10% buff

[clever delta]

as soon as i read that you can get fucked by BL prepull i ditched goon idea

[left ledge]

Sub feels like it can compete

[hazy breach]

And if youre an absolute gamergod you can add this too:
raid_events+=/buff,buff_name=disorienting_strikes,first=0,cooldown=999999
For the pre-disorienting strikes

[clever delta]

enjoy while it last

[left ledge]

Maybe they just keep the 10% buff

[alpine wraith]

that one has been fun on hc

on M sometimes we wipe and it is gonezo

[left ledge]

Maybe they said 5% so people wouldn’t freak out and ask for buffs themselves

[clever delta]

xdd

surelky

[bleak night]

i was definitely having fun on oab prog last night trying to fit a sec tec in every wipe lmao

[left ledge]

I mean let’s be real

10% puts us in line

[spark plinth]

Is the 10% buff instead of 5% confirmed or ?

[hazy breach]

Its 100% not intended, but it might stay, nobody knows

[left ledge]

It’s def 10%

[clever delta]

they should leave until next reset atleast

[lilac stag]

4 min no cheese

[hazy breach]

Technically its 5% and 5%

[clever delta]

to see if ppl of sub rogues reach maybe other spec pop :D:D

[hazy breach]

So would be 10.25%

[left ledge]

Ok yeah true

[smoky jolt]

the thing is, sub currently isnt BROKEN its just now on par with others lol

[spark plinth]

You mean the first 5% and the hotfix 5%?

[hazy breach]

But it doesnt affect like 10% of our damage

Because its procs/autos

[vestal escarp]

it cant stay it would be the worse pr stunt ever

[alpine wraith]

yea the more stat things instead of dmg things you have a little more gain

[clever delta]

only boss i can like play tfd is rik tho

[left ledge]

But for real I hope they don’t “fix” this

[vestal escarp]

"we did an oopsie on tuning for one spec but result is fine lmeo "

[smoky jolt]

did we ever determine which helm enchant is the best?

[left ledge]

We’re on par now

[clever delta]

even with this 10% buff

nobody will play it anyway

it will be like 90% assa logs still 😄

[alpine wraith]

they will try

and realise

[left ledge]

I felt so much better on sub

[alpine wraith]

oh

[left ledge]

Even though I’m sick and dying irl

[alpine wraith]

or it will be like in ptr when we actually do dmg

SO FUN

[left ledge]

Raiding as sub just feels

Normal

I don’t have to play this weird

Mutilate hope for ambush procs dogshit

[steel horizon]

i believe void ritual is the one now because echoing void is bugged. but maybe someone can correct me on that

[lilac stag]

GW for raid

[vestal escarp]

aaaah where is my opportunity proc???

[smoky jolt]

ah interesting, im currently using gushing and it seems not bad.

[clever delta]

they should make vanish reset tfd

that would be actually nice

qil

[lilac stag]

the just fixed that

[clever delta]

qol

[lilac stag]

lol

[clever delta]

i know

but it wasnt thing in raid

tfd is super usless node

[hazy breach]

WM is more useless

[clever delta]

how many times it reset in keys when you just go W and keep pulling

[hazy breach]

[vestal escarp]

it's big dam opener

[clever delta]

yeah but tfd atelast have potencial

[lilac stag]

zero since no one was playing sub in keys

[clever delta]

i love when i wait in stealth to proc it and than at 1 sec it cancel anway

[hazy breach]

In most keys having TFD up for the first pull is gonna do more damage than WM provides across the entire key anyway

[clever delta]

yeah but you get my point

that i want to use it more than once

[lilac stag]

you should get it at boss rp

[hazy breach]

But you get pretty much guaranteed 4-5 tfds across the dungeon without trying anyway

[lilac stag]

which is arguably more important

[hazy breach]

Think youre focusing too much on it

[alpine wraith]

you also forget that playing into it is way stronger than you expect

[clever delta]

im just looking at our last week kill timers and thinking where i can use it 😄

[alpine wraith]

all bosses but gally should have tfd by now kinda

even mug zee is getting close to 5 min

[short radish]

tfd is still simming less if its 4min for me

trying for 3

[clever delta]

its like break even for me at 4

and 0.8% at 3

[alpine wraith]

yea but also every time you dont stab and storm instead

wm loses even more value

[short radish]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b16zyFWwUM9fpgZKTxtBMG
sub 0.3% for me at 4min

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach which part of expert does the override go in? not seeing it produce a difference

[hazy breach]

Idk most should be fine, but mine is at the bottom

[alpine wraith]

no need for expert just put it on the apl on the bottom

[short radish]

neutral at 3 min

[alpine wraith]

yea but like literally storm once

and then tfd is better

[short radish]

need 2 minute fights

[alpine wraith]

at least for me it is like 6k dps at most

[short radish]

[clever delta]

bro 6k dps 😄

in 3mil

[bleak night]

[hazy breach]

If youre doing the pre-sectech and/or pre-symbols its equal at 5 mins in sims (keep in mind sims have a 20% variance by default)

[lilac stag]

tbf people worried more what head enchant and that's less

[clever delta]

is it less

its head enchant like 20k dps or more

[grave shore]

@hazy breach
Dude , is any possibility that it’s not “mistake +10%” , but its 5% multiplies with abilities and stats , that gives impact more than 5%?

[hazy breach]

its 1000% not intended

[lilac stag]

they're all super close and people freaking about which one

[hazy breach]

It might stay anyway

[grave shore]

Cause performances not overturned ?

[clever delta]

hm

im already forgeting to pre symbol

and now i need to think about presectech

not bad

[bleak night]

its a fun minigame

[full acorn]

!cORRUPTION

[lilac stag]

!GW

!SIMIT

[full acorn]

What do you guys pick instead of Echoin void

[patent lichen]

I went gushing

[alpine wraith]

void ritual

we full on rng over here

[clever delta]

that shit dont even stack before your cds are over

[lilac stag]

i dont remember if light movement was useful, but any uptime impact I'm guessing evens out WM vs TFD at 5 without any cheese

[magic ruin]

Sub goes bonkers in TOP 15 now sheesh

[clever delta]

nice

just gotta find that shaman for every key now 😄

[hazy breach]

Theres tons of shamans

Most pugs ive been in have shamans

[clever delta]

yeah for sure

[hazy breach]

But also its not needed

Its like 5%, around the same as warrior

[clever delta]

is it

[lucid jackal]

Yeah it just feels worse

[tender frost]

Going into cds w/ coup up is it a gain to bp the finisher after flag to have coup for dance/blades?

[hazy breach]

Just dont finish

Even better

[tender frost]

oh you just flag dance blades same global?

[hazy breach]

At like 10s or so left

What

Rupture after flag

[tender frost]

oh sorry misunderstood

tyty

[alpine wraith]

yea just watch out if you dont run rotten to not dance stab maybe you dont get FW

i have had some silly situations of proccing shadowcraft after sec tech and not having fw

tehee

[haughty mural]

Yea FW is a great thing

[alpine wraith]

it was great until the fire nation took over

maybe we were the DEI hires all along

i mean people did like dance spam in legion and in sl/df

[haughty mural]

Always wondered about those playing ES over DS

in legion

[random hare]

ok

its time

[alpine wraith]

same in bfa but you had less cdr

[random hare]

to test sub

rogue

in m+

sheeeeeeeeeeeesh

[alpine wraith]

nice more power

just remember the tfd macro got broken

so back to waiting

[chrome palm]

Did they fix that? :(

[random hare]

can u still do it manually

or?

[lilac stag]

Is dead

[alpine wraith]

you have to do it like the old times

abandon you teammates for some secs

[chrome palm]

Can they actually just fix Tfd instead of our workarounds

[alpine wraith]

or just dont hit or get hit for like 10 secs depending on random things

[random hare]

so u mean it got fixed

not the macro

?

[lilac stag]

TFD still broken

[alpine wraith]

you can still bug it in rookery i think

but other places not really

[lilac stag]

The cheese got fixed.

[alpine wraith]

and yea it still does the whole reset because fuck you

[paper iron]

wait

really

idk where their prio are

[alpine wraith]

likely it was easier to fix

than the spaget that is the other bug

[shut ridge]

wait is TFD really showing as a gain in raid

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[lilac stag]

It was just a test to see if realz was still lurking since it was only posted in the pins.

[lucid jackal]

On short fights

[alpine wraith]

on all but gally just because how wm is so weak noodle

[wild hornet]

the item ive been praying on

[night sparrow]

It's more or less equivalent to necklace versa/mastery 😦 but equipped it to flex

• sub buff feels good, 10m+ on pull on bandit hc lul

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hollow spear]

Idk if it's just me, but TFD makes the lineup of our second sectec a little "weird" for me

Maybe im just too paranoid about DM

[hazy breach]

Yes just send at the end of the first one

Delaying can often make your last coup happen outside dance

[random hare]

not too bad ig

doesn't seem powerful enough

[strange chasm]

Isn't outlaw good tho

so beating outlaw would be good

[random hare]

well assa destroys outlaw in rookery

by a long shot

and this is a pug outlaw

[clever delta]

beating outlaw is good enough

[clever delta]

you getting second sectech inside first dance ?:D

[random hare]

i died on my cds cuz someone sniped me with arcing void

on the big pack

like 2 sec's into cds

could've done way more ig

[alpine wraith]

i usually get second sec tech first global on second dance

[lucid jackal]

With TFD u shouldnt double sectec

[random hare]

double sectec where

[lucid jackal]

Like within the first dance

[alpine wraith]

you can if you get it soon enough

[random hare]

u can fit 2 dances in it but u need some shadow techniques

[alpine wraith]

but not usually

[leaden prairie]

I was thinking it'd probably sub in workshop

Thought

[random hare]

or just 2 extra superchargers

[random hare]

well

[alpine wraith]

sub for top trust speedshroud

secret tech

[formal helm]

just checkin', nothing reverted yet? 👀

[random hare]

sin is way better than sub and outlaw in workshop

[leaden prairie]

Why is that

[lucid jackal]

If ur doing flag tho, isn't it better to just wait until until ur 1st dance ends with TFD

[random hare]

its not even close

[lucid jackal]

so that ur 2nd dance is better

[random hare]

too much boss dmg

on 2nd and 3rd

so ye

[leaden prairie]

But sub does more boss damage tho

I guess

[random hare]

?

[leaden prairie]

We get funnle

[random hare]

no

[leaden prairie]

On 2 and 3

[random hare]

what funnel

[leaden prairie]

Ye

[random hare]

sub doesnt get funnel bro

[leaden prairie]

On 2 and 3 we are getting funnel

No I meant for assa

[random hare]

only funnel it gets

is blackpowedr

ah

u mean sin ye

its crazy good for sin

and

btw

[leaden prairie]

Ye cause otherwise idk

In st sub is way better

[random hare]

kujo is 2m dps box or without box

[leaden prairie]

Pure st

[random hare]

sin doesnt lose dps

on kujo

at all

[leaden prairie]

I mean sub doesn't either as long as it's not in cds

Idk the timings

[random hare]

i think i doubled malegus boss dmg btw

[vagrant thorn]

fury in a 17 key ;O

[leaden prairie]

I'm outlaw

[random hare]

our udk

on kujo

[leaden prairie]

Yes

[random hare]

sin is rly crazy there

crazy good

but

outlaw way better on 1st boss

[leaden prairie]

Ye outlaw is very good on first

Rest idk

[random hare]

so outlaw+sin in workshop is like a cock and another cock inside of a single hole

[leaden prairie]

I mean it does good boss damage on every boss

It's just too hard to play

On 2nd third and 4th boss

I guess 4 th boss now is fine

[random hare]

sin carries those bosses

[leaden prairie]

With baits

[random hare]

last boss is sus for everyone anyway

[leaden prairie]

We do good baits now idk if you saw our run in workshop ross

[random hare]

well our 18 workshop was the best bait possible

[leaden prairie]

Like if you always bait toward balls all together in p1

[random hare]

dont need to see anything rly

[leaden prairie]

You can actually press ks on cd

And not take damage

Which is insane !

I meant for p1 ross

[random hare]

i know bro

we did it 1-2 months ago

0 melee downtime

[leaden prairie]

Cause p1 with outlaw is weird without baits

It's not about melee downtime jtd about killing spree

[timid reef]

noob question, do u lose alot if u use 1 hand sword to sub? X)

[random hare]

idk what ur talking about but its the same thing

[leaden prairie]

You have to bait a specific way for killing sprre

It's weird

[random hare]

?

its the same thing

lol

[leaden prairie]

Ye same thing in the end I guess

[random hare]

u just bait in the middle and boss moves out for 2 yards

[leaden prairie]

Ross I wanna play wow

[hazy breach]

Yes, like 4-5%

[random hare]

then we bait in another middle area

[leaden prairie]

Are you untilted yet

[random hare]

i think so ye

[leaden prairie]

!!!

Huge !

Hc hoc?

[hazy breach]

Generally better of buying a leveling dagger from AH than using a mythic offhand

[leaden prairie]

Maybe I swap sub ye

[random hare]

wlel thats a sub trinket anyway

[leaden prairie]

Bozo gear

[random hare]

im gonna play sub for raid today

so ye

maybe sin for mugzee

[leaden prairie]

I have had mythic hoc and kezan for months now you noob!!!

[random hare]

maybe im also forced to play sin for gallywix cuz im assigned to enrage stuff

[leaden prairie]

I took kezan from vault and never ever equipped it actually

Very based vault

[random hare]

weoll

kezan is only for last boss rookery

[leaden prairie]

That's cooked

[random hare]

its not cooked

our guild was r1000

now r400 or someshit

our druids are too stupid to soothe

so i just said i'll do it

[leaden prairie]

Get in a good guild cuh

It's so easy

[random hare]

nah

can explain in dm's

but'

that wont happen

im only gonna raid with close friends

cba otherwise

hopefully we kill bandit today tho

kinda want HoC maybe if it drops idk if i win it prob not

[leaden prairie]

Next week dinar

I think

[random hare]

yea i'll buy jastor

[leaden prairie]

Same

For funnsies

[random hare]

its abit annoying to be in a r400 guild tho

cuz

everyone wants loot

[leaden prairie]

For next tier prog if I ever play assa

[random hare]

and everyone only logs in once a week

[leaden prairie]

Just get loot from vault

I legit got nothing from raid

[random hare]

well that was our first reclear last week

so ye

[leaden prairie]

Alright bro

[magic ruin]

can i party up with people in horiffic visions to get black blood coagulate faster? Like they clear a side of map alone in the same instance

[manic salmon]

just get your bis pieces in vault bro

[clever delta]

imagine not having mythic jastor or kezan or hoc

[random hare]

@leaden prairie can u play at 10:30

[void ocean]

no need to imagine

[clever delta]

or pacemaker or signet

[remote cedar]

!speadcheat

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void ocean]

oh that i do have

[clever delta]

nice

[void ocean]

myth pacemaker since week 2

[clever delta]

i got it in vault today for 3rd time

so i finally picked it up

[manic salmon]

lol imagine not looting m pacemaker week 1

[void ocean]

and signet im gonna take for the 2nd dinar

[clever delta]

i loot hc kezan first week

much better for progg

[void ocean]

but now if we stay buffed this much, i might not

[fathom adder]

do you always tick max colors for meta gem simming or is there a downside to it?

[clever delta]

we still did not have mythic dagger drop in raid 😄

thats kinda akward

[void ocean]

we did and i got it

[fallow nimbus]

what's the go to corruption now?

[void ocean]

riks

[clever delta]

nice

we killed rik and bandit so many times and it wont drop 😄

[manic salmon]

meanwhile we dropped 2 daggers from bandit 2 weeks ago

first hoc last week

[potent relic]

first 4 rik kills we got 4 daggers, one with tertiary. im the only rogue in guild

[clever delta]

next season

im looting all shit

[void ocean]

that 2nd part goes without sayin

[clever delta]

this season i got cocked

[leaden prairie]

I can

[fallow nimbus]

is void ritual still lower than intended? what do we choose now?

[hazy breach]

Its only echoing thats simming higher than it does ingame

[fallow nimbus]

oh, that's what i ment

[wild hornet]

i assume echoing void still didnt get fixed?

[lusty acorn]

yo guys quick question, if your cds are about to be up and you have only 1 charge of sdance what do you do? do you send it or wait until the 2nd charge will have x seconds remaining and then send everyhing?

[remote eagle]

i run twilight dev, did 2% in my recent run

[clever delta]

it can do lot even on bosses

i had 4% on some hc boss

[wild hornet]

if you have 1 dance and the other one is on maybe 45/50 ish seconds on the 2nd one you can get enough cdr to get the 2nd dance back

[upbeat cradle]

How is enjoying the glueless and wrong sized band aid we got in the hotfix

[wild hornet]

that is if you get your full globals in sdance

if you miss one of the 8, i dont think youre getting it

[lusty acorn]

i was hitting dummy and tried with 30s reaming on the 2nd charge and it was fine but it felt like i was holding everything for too long

[hazy breach]

You should be holding before flag or blades is ready

[lusty acorn]

yea but for how long

[hazy breach]

So that you have enough when flag is ready

Roughly 30s

But depends

[lusty acorn]

i know its 20 secodns for secret technique and sod

[lilac stag]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[swift tinsel]

depends on what your current sod/dance charges look like

and/or will look like when flag comes back

[lusty acorn]

well yea thats literally what i asked tho xd

cds are like 10second away, you have 1 charge of sdance. how long do you hold everything so it lines up

[hazy breach]

~35 left on your second charge

[lusty acorn]

i guess roughly 40secons on the 2nd charge

yea

[hazy breach]

But again, you should already have that

When flag gets ready

[lusty acorn]

would you use secret technique in the mean time? would it be worth it?

[dreamy badger]

are we reverted?

[wild hornet]

30/35 seconds before flag, no less

you can fit in a cb sectec inbetween flags if shadow techniques is in a good mood

id say

[swift tinsel]

eh 20sec is usually pretty safe

[wild hornet]

hm, 20 feels clunky to me

or maybe im just with negative rng

[plain quest]

Is it worth recrafting and switching to sub without house of cards? I have mythic priory trinket can get house on next coin

Or just wait til then

[lilac stag]

Get pvp trinket

Priory is shiet on sub

[remote cedar]

why is second focus lens on dagger in bis, shouldnt it be better on wrists?

[patent lichen]

Time to break out your old transmitter

[chrome palm]

offhand dagger has less stats than bracer iirc, and offhand weapon dps only affects your offhand autos so it doesnt matter almost at all

[hazy breach]

It doesnt really matter

[lilac stag]

Just get 2x rik daggies.

[smoky jolt]

we supposed to pop SND or do our finishers add it in trickster?

[alpine wraith]

evis does it

[smoky jolt]

okay i thought so

[remote cedar]

thats what I thought

[lilac stag]

There’s no BiS list that’s of any use. Run with the drops you get and adjust as needed.

[full acorn]

What target count is it Bp over evis?

[remote cedar]

switching from assa but too many possible combinations to sim exactly

[spice matrix]

7+

[lilac stag]

Nah. Ilvl > vers/mast/crit > haste gear typically.

Put on HoC and lock that as a trinket.

not that difficult to eyeball most sub gear

Then adjust gems and enchants

[smoky jolt]

if i dont have HoC or Jastor yet - next week should i be taking HoC?

[remote cedar]

so it also barely matters to sim gems and enchants after finding best slots?

[swift tinsel]

gems are really minor

[lilac stag]

If you’re playing sub, HoC

[swift tinsel]

just use versatile onyx

[lilac stag]

Vers Crit or Vers Mastery are usually 2 best gems

[rustic mortar]

Coming from Assa and I just kept Most of the gear switched arround embeliahments and sitting now on 2,93m with the pvp trinket on use (632 Overall ilvl)

[lilac stag]

at 680+

[lilac stag]

That seems sus

[rustic mortar]

Hoc mythic will give me 65k on top either on raid tomorrow or next week for dinar

[swift tinsel]

almost 3mil at 632 sounds not possible

[lilac stag]

50 ilvls isn’t getting you only 30k dps

[swift tinsel]

at least in st

[bleak night]

2.93m at 632 holy

this guys a gamer

[swift tinsel]

yeah that's some truly forbidden milk

[lilac stag]

Cooking with lashga

[swift tinsel]

trying to cook a no-flag build

or sectech

[shy ermine]

He probably means 682

[lilac stag]

We’re waiting for the correction.

been a fun 24 hours in here.

[honest basin]

Sub gets buffed and suddenly they come running

[rustic mortar]

682 sry bout the mistype

[honest basin]

Or smth like that idk I didn't read the book

[lilac stag]

Have you played assa in raid? do you blame them?

We get macro dance and sod questions soon

[bleak night]

if im not playing the spec thats been buffed most recently whats the point

[shrewd lantern]

I mean

sin channel is

"what head corruption"

every 2 messages

[honest basin]

I play it every tier for prog because it's usually better

[lilac stag]

it’s every 15 here

[swift tinsel]

Lol we are quite high on wcl stats, can't wait to see the flood

[lilac stag]

or IS EcHoInG VoId fIXeD?

[shrewd lantern]

people cant read

[honest basin]

Yes, use it, trust me

[lilac stag]

Hey 50 people played it last 24 hours in mythic

[swift tinsel]

we're so back

[honest basin]

Hey I'm probably one of those 50

[swift tinsel]

up to 384 now

even more back

[honest basin]

I killed Gally on mythic as sub

[lilac stag]

That’s total kills. Divide by 8

[fathom gazelle]

omfg SUB IS FKING INSANE NOW

[honest basin]

On my worst pull all night

[bleak night]

i played sub in mythic before everyone knew it was buffed twice

[lilac stag]

same

Also in LFR

[coarse hound]

So uh, void ritual is the play right now boys?

[lilac stag]

[coarse hound]

echoing is bugged not void ritual homie

[lilac stag]

It is not

[honest basin]

The play right now is pick the one you like the most

[brave moth]

Btw this is 100% if I am behind target I will apply find Weakness right ? Because I am looking at my logs and I have aroud 63% uptime on it which is really small.

[lilac stag]

Echoing Void is bugged

[honest basin]

Because who cares this content is dead

[coarse hound]

well I want to shoot lasers outta my ass

[swift tinsel]

do it

[fathom gazelle]

all these void shit is confusing

[lilac stag]

Crit more

Gushing Wound more in raid. TD for the yolo gamba

[brave moth]

Nah I cant have 60% uptime just because I dont crit, I prolly do something wrong

[swift tinsel]

or

[lilac stag]

if you’re playing on locken you need to do dumb shit with shuriken storm

[swift tinsel]

you aren't positioning properly and not critting enough

[brave moth]

Looking logs for Gally atm

[lilac stag]

then you’re doing something wrong

[brave moth]

But I see a lot of people are getting SS talents, which I didnt use

[swift tinsel]

it beats wm

whenever you have multiple targets

or cast storm

ever

[honest basin]

Yeah

Plus wm suck

(in my biased opinion)

[lilac stag]

You keep WM with storm. You’re dropping an energy talent

[brave moth]

Doubt Shadow focus will have such a huge diff in terms of energy

[swift tinsel]

SF does nothing

[honest basin]

There's a lot of talents in our tree that do little to nothing lol

[lilac stag]

SF is useless which is why you keep WM, which is slightly less useless

or you spec TFD on any fight not named Gally

[brave moth]

I need more words rather than abreviations kekw

[hollow spear]

Which head enchant rn bros?

[brave moth]

Gushing

What is WM and TFD

[swift tinsel]

weaponmaster and the first dance

[honest basin]

For raid gushing but for gigachad big brain whatever one you like most

TD Lazer go brr

[brave moth]

Idk if it does dmg

but it is fun Visual

[patent surge]

After this buff should we use sub or sin in mythic gallywix

[lilac stag]

whatever you rather play

[patent surge]

Sub is so attractive rn

[alpine wraith]

the diff wont be high

[honest basin]

It doesn't need to do damage it looks sick as fuck

[swift tinsel]

TD was doing like 1.5-4% for one of my guildmates last night

[alpine wraith]

actually might be easier as sub you only need to survive

[lilac stag]

so attractive.

[honest basin]

Sub is always attractive

[patent surge]

but ill have to recraft like 4 items

[patent surge]

True

[lilac stag]

And?

[swift tinsel]

should have plenty of sparks

[honest basin]

I recrafted 4 items to go back sub because fuck it

[lilac stag]

honestly why do people act like recrafting is some major deal breaker?

[swift tinsel]

Imagine recrafting away from sub

[honest basin]

Rl said go sin do execute damage for prog so I did my time

Now I get to retire

[scenic zinc]

How bad is the dps loss for switching between sub and outlaw with the same gear?

I’m like 19% haste, 32% verse, 20% crit

[swift tinsel]

dang cucked by RL

[patent surge]

Cuz if rl demands me to go back to sin that's a whole lot of work to do man
And if I decided to go sub I have to purchase mythic hoc

[lilac stag]

You’re gonna be in for a bad time

[patent surge]

Sub is just better than sin in this raid imo

Rn

[lilac stag]

Mythic HoC is bis for assa so that doesn’t matter.

Your Sub started gear works just fine on assa.

[honest basin]

I love sub and it's my personal favorite but I dunno about that chief

[lilac stag]

Have a haste ring for assa set

Legit all you need

[scenic zinc]

😦

[patent surge]

Cuz i have mythic priory thing already so

ah

[void hound]

secondaries are a myth, just spec it

[lilac stag]

I’m sitting at 1% haste. lol

[honest basin]

Mythic priory signet was a 10k loss compared to my mythic hoc as sin kekw

[lilac stag]

and we feast off mastery

[scenic zinc]

Damn

[patent surge]

Yeah that's true

[bleak night]

thats wild

[patent surge]

signet sucks

[honest basin]

Priory SUCK house of cards is giga

[bleak night]

hoc is like within 2k of signet

[scenic zinc]

If only all 3 rogue specs shared similar stat requirements

[bleak night]

for my assa

[honest basin]

Well surely one day blizzard will make haste relevant for sub

[vale pine]

stats are not that diffrent between assassination and subtlety

[patent surge]

Using signet demands a ton of mastery and that's just painful

[honest basin]

Surely it'll happen in midnight

[lilac stag]

It’s not even relevant for assa

[honest basin]

And is fake relevant for outlaw bc they killed AR if you don't have haste xd

[bright elk]

The one time assa was really fun was with the full haste corruption enchants at the end of BFA, haste hasn’t felt that good since 🥲

[honest basin]

But it's okay surely in midnight...

[scenic zinc]

I hope. Rogue feels a lot better to play with high haste.

[honest basin]

Surely..

[patent surge]

Surely

[lilac stag]

I thought Whispyr taught everyone to fuck worrying about secondaries

[swift tinsel]

nah that will never die

[honest basin]

He tried

[bleak night]

implying anyone listens to what whispyr says in that channel

[swift tinsel]

how else will people blame something besides their gameplay for not doing well

[lilac stag]

guess assa channel really is as dense as their rotation in st

[honest basin]

But the people love their secondaries and are very concerned as to what the haste breakpoint is for sin

[bleak night]

[honest basin]

LMAO

[void hound]

poor flüstyr

[lilac stag]

just missing an on god frfr smh my head

[alpine wraith]

ahahaha

[swift tinsel]

that is one nice thing about sin being more popular

the dent-heads get funneled into that channel

[honest basin]

Yeah the fotm rerollers are often in that channel

[lilac stag]

this is why quake goes insane

[fiery pewter]

how rude

[honest basin]

Dw I sanded down my brain nice and smooth(no wrinkles) for less air resistance and smoother gameplay

[bleak night]

any time spent thinking is less time spent doing

its just inefficient

[honest basin]

Exactly

Think? I think not

I play based on vibes

[patent surge]

[wild hornet]

i went past the filter and landed here dont worry

[alpine wraith]

happens very rarely

[fiery pewter]

I wanted to become Hokage so I went ninja spec

[placid lynx]

holy fuck, buffs were that big?

[sly shore]

read pin

[swift tinsel]

no

[patent surge]

Read pin

[swift tinsel]

too much work

[lilac stag]

@patent surge all joking aside, did that answer your questions?

[patent surge]

Yeah man i figured out a way

671 mast/vers ring

[storm patio]

!wa

[patent surge]

is the life saver

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety WA's:
Class packs:

Fuu's Luxthos's LE's

Kieron's Devlin's guy's

Utilities:

• Shadowcraft refund sound trigger
• Deathstalker mark nameplate border
• Targets in range tracker

[lilac stag]

Everything else is super min/max

and really won’t matter

[patent surge]

Anything but 15% haste sub

[lilac stag]

pmuch

[tepid trellis]

What if i wanna “pin” you (Down)

[lilac stag]

Ask nicely

[patent surge]

Sounds familiar

that's vendetta, no？

[sly shore]

[vale pine]

subtle romance

[neon frigate]

Sub is exactly right this way

Maybe give another 5% then it is better

[keen dome]

they should give us more purple.

[patent lichen]

Buff sectech 20%

[chrome palm]

youd have to sim it but your 19% is doing nothing on sub

[clever delta]

ppl running all kind of head enchants so we can have idea:)

[tender hatch]

does RS only apply to targets without rupture? or will it overlap?

[neon frigate]

What is the best head enchant for sub?

[sly shore]

gushing

just use that

[clever delta]

gushing for single target and void ritual for mixed content 😛

[neon frigate]

Ok thx

[clever delta]

gushing was like 1% in key

[neon frigate]

What about void rituelen?

[clever delta]

its stat proc

it wont proc in opener

so idk .D

[worn ivy]

is helmet enchant still buggy?

[hazy breach]

Echoing void is

[worn ivy]

EV ?

what do we use instead

for m+

void ritual ?

[haughty mural]

At this point I’m not sure if you are memeing or if you are dead serious lashga

Like split personality

No offense tho

[spice matrix]

Pray void ritual procs during cds

[sly shore]

full offense

he's an AI

[lucid jackal]

I mean even ignoring the pin, it really does go to show the concept of sampling bias

Which you know, should have been obvious

Only a basic understanding of how player habbits work, and also the lead game designer talking about this concept should drill the idea into peoples heads but

here we are

[fallow nimbus]

td for extra purple

[keen dome]

Where oh where does the beam go? Nobody knows!

[fallow nimbus]

it like 5k off in st vs gw

or they finally fix ev so we can play that everywhere

[shrewd lantern]

td for when you're bored enough to do wqs and just watch the beam kill a trivial mob

[fallow nimbus]

sprocket hc and td did 3.1%

[void hound]

have you seen the ion talk recently?

he talked about this

[hazy breach]

Guy mentioned it literally the message after

[void hound]

well

[lilac stag]

Account sharing with friends?

[void hound]

i didnt infer him referencing the same talk i did necessarily

since the one im talking about is very recent

[lilac stag]

Guy has linked that interview a few times. But it’s a chat so who knows who sees what and when.

[void hound]

alright then

it was pretty insightful

[lilac stag]

just came back so not sure context