subtlety

[dry plank]

not 2 or 5

[lilac stag]

huh?

[hollow spear]

wdym

where did you pull 20% from lmao

[dry plank]

before start of season +10 and now +10

[junior prawn]

[dry plank]

i just use calculator and got 20

[lilac stag]

We got a nerf at the start of the season. We got the aura moved from 10 to 15% and then they added a 5% separate modifier.

[keen dome]

What was the initial 10% in response too. The context of that is very important

[civic forge]

haven't touched sub since like week 2, do we still avoid consuming coup and 2pc before flag?

[hollow spear]

the 10% early season didn't come out of nowhere

it was compensation for specific nerfs

[keen dome]

Also, if it is 10% it puts us pretty comfortably middle-high which is a really nice spot to be. If they buff us so we're the strongest DPS in the game, they'll nerf us.

[lilac stag]

We’re not sitting like enhance in previous tiers or dev/mm/fdk

[dry plank]

what nerfs? you mean tierset? set should not give +40% damage increase

[hollow spear]

the one hope I have that they're pulling the "oh man, I guess that happened" and leave it as is

[keen dome]

I think Scath is right. They went in to fix TFD, and threw another 5% in 'cos of doing analysis and seeing the damage weakness

[vestal escarp]

yeah we already coping to keep the tuning i see

good job honestly

[hollow spear]

after months of dooming, we have a lot of copium left in the tank

[lilac stag]

Reminder dagger rogues were simming at most 2.5-6 range while other specs already at 2.9

those specs still got buffed

[vestal escarp]

yep

[hollow spear]

but my money is on them reverting it

[lilac stag]

doubt

[patent crystal]

idk they might forget

[lilac stag]

If the aura got moved to 20 instead of 15 sure

[vestal escarp]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/TWW2_Raid.html

[lilac stag]

They also took care of TFD

This is more calculated

[keen dome]

It's fun, anyway. Blastin'

[lilac stag]

it’s end of season

Just play the game

[formal helm]

Where tf people pulling out 20% buff from 😭

[lilac stag]

mathing is hard

[void ocean]

scAth simming bis

[formal helm]

Oh true

20 sec 8 targets with bl

[lilac stag]

What?

oh nm

[formal helm]

[lilac stag]

[keen dome]

The only BiS worth considering are the friends we met along the way

[alpine wraith]

time to sim 5 targets 3 secs 3 sec techs

[lilac stag]

my bis sim is FDK

[formal helm]

Make it 10 sec techs or go home

[alpine wraith]

cant make the sim time dilate

looking into it tho

[keen dome]

8 Patchwerk 20 second all buffs.

[lilac stag]

feeding the pups and just laughing at the we can’t have dps doom

[formal helm]

And 500% mastery

[alpine wraith]

same when tornado worked with blades

first thing people said was

NO IT CANT

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[keen dome]

I got my first 100, the buffs are good

[alpine wraith]

i also blasted lfr

they are scared of me

[lilac stag]

rogue is non stop dooming

[keen dome]

nobody else do heroic Cauldron today please

[formal helm]

I'm not raiding till tomorrow

[lilac stag]

assa channel the same when random buff came out. It’s still mid in raid.

[keen dome]

nobody can stop me

[formal helm]

That's bc of doom blade

[lilac stag]

Wrong spec

[tepid trellis]

I private log now so dont worry

[lilac stag]

we’re happy little dancers

[formal helm]

Meh, assa hits harder with envenom anyway

[lilac stag]

Dressed like grapes

[tribal blade]

have a fun reclear 😉

[lilac stag]

Or raisins when undertuned

[keen dome]

Assa can't glow purple so it isn't as cool

[dry plank]

@tepid trellis where are you playing now?

[lilac stag]

in your room

Right behind you

[tepid trellis]

I raid monday on farm so gonna be a while

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/apt-rosé-blackpink-bruno-mars-gif-1539050173426684783

[tepid trellis]

Myst

[tribal blade]

oh damn sad

[alpine wraith]

for one sec i though stealthi joined the spanish one

then i remembered the english one

[lilac stag]

Stealthi NA raccoon confirmed

[alpine wraith]

im like wait stealthi korean english and now spanish triforce

[odd sandal]

how do you guys sim with values after buffs?
my simm is still pre patch apparently https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wawoj1HejrMMq3B5SHSZHz

[alpine wraith]

do latest or nightly

weekly is weaker

[odd sandal]

ah i see ty<3

[lilac stag]

Don’t use weekly. Use latest.

[void ocean]

dont let Whispyr find out u r simmin weekly

[native zodiac]

We should summon him

[lilac stag]

Guys we are so back maybe we can do 8 masks now.

[sly shore]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-disagree-never-cat-no-no-shake-head-gif-2048605977880301557

[void ocean]

we r the mask now

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-gif-2095084040278127977

[keen dome]

What's the debuff we apply to the group

[mental flume]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tepid trellis]

Como esta

[void ocean]

feel of inferiority

-50 all stats

https://tenor.com/view/smell-bitch-likebitch-gif-21056228

[gritty knot]

rune of twilight devastation for m+?

[alpine wraith]

or void ritual

but td can pull random mobs

[short radish]

was 3.4 on mugzee

then died with 30 seconds to go

because healers couldnt heal mines

[hollow spear]

nice

[short radish]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

im so madge

fuck healers

[alpine wraith]

needed more leech

rip

[hollow spear]

true

[short radish]

true. thats what i get for enchanting speed

and 0 avoidance

[hollow spear]

or become the reverse hachadino

and go full versa

[dry plank]

reversadino

[short radish]

actually 0 healing

[alpine wraith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mUbvsLetbSvmio8L5SHXpj now we just need the new cool belt

[dry plank]

someone call it to not heal you and stop be top dps

[alpine wraith]

unlikely rogue was top dps on mug

but likely top 10 now at least not like before

[hexed sluice]

Damn, that's a crime scene. They got you

[alpine wraith]

you also stepped on the pee

i saw that

[short radish]

had to for soak

[alpine wraith]

should have let everyone die

[short radish]

never soaking again

true

[alpine wraith]

if i dont parse no one will!

go full asmongold on them

you can kill the boss lots of times but you only parse once per week

[dry plank]

this chat is in good mood today

[alpine wraith]

im happy orgrimmar is way easier to speedrun

for the quest

finished in 10 mins

[lilac stag]

trying to reel in the doomers.

[void ocean]

we gonna have some wall street jumpers once its reverted

[lilac stag]

nah. They’ll just go back to assa if it does

[hazy breach]

The speed reduction on last boss feels so bad to play during cds its insane

[warm marlin]

I don’t understand why there are 18 diff stun mechanics in org version

I’m getting knocked around and slowed and gcd slowed and stunned

[void hound]

https://tenor.com/view/sniper-pubg-loading-sniper-reload-gif-15505006

[hazy breach]

I get knocked down

But i get up again

[warm marlin]

Truly miserable experience

[void hound]

the nerf being loaded 10 minutes before pull

[warm marlin]

Was it you who cooked the gallywix timings btw

[void hound]

which one

[warm marlin]

30s flag and just generally lining it up for the 4 min and 7 min adds

[void hound]

oh yeah

[warm marlin]

Double dance at 3mins

[void hound]

yes

[warm marlin]

It was good chefery

Smart stuff

[void hound]

thank you 😳

[alpine wraith]

i cba doing masks

bosses lasted 3 secs

but yea time dilation was bad before and it is same now

most of the time it is better to wait to pull thrall

if you are on the slow phase

[void ocean]

same, i did it when it was "a thing" in bfa, now its just an enchant provider

[void hound]

important to pool some SHT stacks when double dancing, otherwise its hard to cover both dances with symbols while supercharging sec tec

[alpine wraith]

i mean when im bored i will eventually do 8 masks

but i didnt even bother to get the stormwind ones

[warm marlin]

Ya the cdr was a bit wack

Wished we had more than 2 pulls to practice

I griefed by sending an extra dance at 630 ish and had to delay flag

Still big damage though

[void hound]

nice

yeah for optimal pad your flags need to be on time

[sly shore]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6TfQociHMRoSgfzGGfzQr1

need mythic hoc

[lilac stag]

Make Dance Great Again

[hollow spear]

I am on my vacation, my mouse lost battery and I forgot the charger. Now I have to farm visions on my laptop's trackpad. It's all over.

[void hound]

preach

[zenith prism]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hAtHF8kwLV4bCzQR?fight=21&type=damage-done&source=20

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xn4KDbp1Zqh6dA8y?fight=48&type=damage-done&source=26

@warm marlin how do you crit 30% more than the guy ranked 2nd

[lilac stag]

get good

[sly shore]

you played coup worse

[warm marlin]

Is he playing pacemaker

[zenith prism]

you have 7000-8000 more crit, that should be like 10%?

[warm marlin]

Also my Maghar racial procced crit on opener

[lilac stag]

would need to maghen to go higher besides gooner trinket

[warm marlin]

I also think my chaos was on crit on pull

[void hound]

3,8 was maybe possible on gally pre buff if you manage to get this sec tec off twice

[warm marlin]

I think that’s the only way for crit to be my top 2 for maghar

But I’m not sure

[zenith prism]

sounds quite reasonable

[sly shore]

40% more crit on coup

is the decider pmuch

[warm marlin]

I know looking in the logs after the first hit of my first like 10 evis crit on that pull

[sly shore]

50M more damage for freeeee

[void hound]

dont forget sub has an output variance of two standard deviations

[warm marlin]

Somehow it was still lower dmg in opener than my previous pull tho

Who knows

[alpine wraith]

crit gives and crit takes

yea gotta love dps could be 2.3 or 3.4

basically just hit

??¿¿ª1º

[warm marlin]

I’m pretty sure 3.4M is about my sim dps though if you add the 12% raid buff

[alpine wraith]

yea with raid buff our peak highroll goes to around 3.8 or so

[zenith prism]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4BaDPn1CtzTrAFX3?fight=2&type=damage-done&source=6

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hAtHF8kwLV4bCzQR?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=20

[alpine wraith]

so basically just spawn 100x sub rogues please

someone is slacking on the alt game

[zenith prism]

WTF is 50% coup crit

and he is void elf

[alpine wraith]

just hit bro

skill issue

[zenith prism]

is there any real secret tech

[lilac stag]

i'm sitting at 30% crit as VE

[warm marlin]

The disorienting strikes thing feels very big

[lilac stag]

then you just highroll

[alpine wraith]

yea disorienting is big

because you get 2 coups in cds

100% instead of randomlyu

[patent crystal]

Does this work in raid aswell?

[warm marlin]

I also suspect holding coup and tier stacks for flag is better than sims suggest

[patent crystal]

Thought it was only m+

[alpine wraith]

yea you just need to use sec tech

[warm marlin]

But who knows

[alpine wraith]

and not use stab/strike

it works anywhere

sims do an average

[warm marlin]

The lowered variance of doing such things feels nice which is all that really matters right

[void hound]

only "tech" is squeezing in natty sec tecs when you have favorable SHT rng

[alpine wraith]

you can play consciously

[void hound]

but its such a minuscule difference

you have to hope for good RNG

when your execution is solid otherwise

[mighty citrus]

rik evasion thingy does not work anymore right?

[formal helm]

16% as BE

I'm cooked.

[formal helm]

nay, been fixed a while ago

[mighty citrus]

have not been there for a long time

thanks

[inner pollen]

!spreadsheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tribal blade]

you know what i really enjoyed on reclear this week

was pressing storm on locken

[lilac stag]

doing damage?

[tribal blade]

AND tHAT

but trying to proc FW on locken because his bitch ass is facing me

AHHHHHH

[clever delta]

vexie heroic go hard 😄

[tribal blade]

SHEEEESH

1 phase?

[clever delta]

its heroic

[void ocean]

u fckers gonna get us reverted before the weekend

sandbag a bit ffs

[lilac stag]

no one cares about heroic numbers at this point

that's week 1 shit

[keen dome]

[keen dome]

I do

[polar sentinel]

how about recent buff?

[tribal blade]

i dunno if sub is doing broken numbers in mythic

if anything puts us near the top, but not gapping

[keen dome]

Today was a good day for me (on heroic)

So I naturally care about this

[warm marlin]

Based

[keen dome]

Gotta do it in a pug for maximum chaos, though

[lilac stag]

lfr

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm looking at my parses right now relative to the rest of my raid

sub is still balanced even with the over buff

[keen dome]

True, I should do the LFR parse session

And also try to get 100 on healing at the same time

[tribal blade]

i'm still getting beat on bosses by people parsing worse than me

[lilac stag]

everything ahead in sims

[tribal blade]

yeah sub is still not the top dog

[lilac stag]

rogues just forgot what doing damage is like

[tribal blade]

so if they revert it to 5% we go back to being mediocre

[keen dome]

Nah, we're still 5% better

[tribal blade]

but i ain't mad

[void ocean]

yea but i believe we r usually balanced rather against other rogue specs than other classes, and if we pull there ahead significantly, which I believe we will...

[keen dome]

The only thing I want is Dev Burst

[hazy breach]

Were probably pretty good in some keys now too. Workshop and rookery might just be full sub

[vale pine]

nicu

[hazy breach]

Dfc, motherlode or top too

[hollow spear]

you're lying, iGestalt

[hazy breach]

[formal helm]

I'm gonna try out keys

[hollow spear]

I know you want to become Kyveza

[keen dome]

Oh, true

I want Dev Burst while looking as cool as Ky'veza

[keen dome]

❤️ thanks!

[formal helm]

there's still a chance @keen dome
since next raid is ethereals

[warm marlin]

Idk I feel like outlaw will still be better in most places

[formal helm]

mby we get smth nice

[warm marlin]

Maybe workshop is sub due to first pull and the downtime

[hollow spear]

if sub becomes good in keys

[hazy breach]

Well im comparing it to assa

[hollow spear]

the nerf is inevitable

[warm marlin]

Icky

[tribal blade]

nah sub is not gonna be insane in keys

[hazy breach]

Rookery last boss though

[formal helm]

blastin'

[tribal blade]

BUT i do think i want to try sub in rook

[hazy breach]

Finally we can be as insane as we should be on that boss

[tribal blade]

i kinda want to do a full sub rookery key

no swap shenanigans

[warm marlin]

1st boss

[formal helm]

eh it's gonna be ait

[hazy breach]

Ye a bit despair

But it is what it is

Just gonna hold until he lands

[fallen crescent]

But is sub back?

[tribal blade]

i looked up a video and it seems like if you insta send flag on pull you can fit both sectecs before he phases

if i'm not mistaken

[hazy breach]

Ye problem is later on

[tribal blade]

he goes up at like 16 secs or so

[warm marlin]

The next flag is cooked though

[tribal blade]

ah ok

so i'm guessing you have to hold?

[hazy breach]

Ye

[tribal blade]

until he comes back down

ah that's cringe

[hazy breach]

But 2 mins are usually cringe in rookery anyway

[tribal blade]

well that boss takes a while anyways

the most fun thing about trying to put trash on top of 1st boss is that there isn't a single good pack to pull into the boss

so you have to do wonky stuff to manage it

[oak cradle]

Are we sniffing copium still

[tribal blade]

copium about blizz letting us keep the buff?

[hollow spear]

what was the fastest way to get a half spark again?

[oak cradle]

Idd

[hazy breach]

Taking it out of your vault

[hollow spear]

😄

need to get a socket for my crafted bracers tho

[hazy breach]

But its always the quest from the same guy, seems to be titan disc this week

Or you can do the pvp spark weekly

[graceful crown]

Guys, the first dance is really good then? I still dont use it, this is my offspec

[hazy breach]

Its good yes

[leaden prairie]

Wdym finally

[hazy breach]

Moreso because all the alternatives are horrid

[graceful crown]

So is worth wait for it to come

Instead rushing a burst

[hazy breach]

Before it was just strong

[leaden prairie]

I mean

I think sub was the only spec in the game capable of 3 phasing it

Idk about arcane

[hazy breach]

Arcane did slightly more

[leaden prairie]

What's the cd on arcane things

[hazy breach]

~80

[leaden prairie]

80

Wtf is a 80 s cd

[hazy breach]

90s minus their shifting power

[warm marlin]

90s reduced by shifting power

[wild vine]

Well shifting power

[hazy breach]

But for that boss youre probably playing house anyway

So its 90s

[graceful crown]

Did you notice the 5% increase in this hotfix?

[hazy breach]

Sometimes

[graceful crown]

So you need more i guess

Haha

[hazy breach]

But like, its not worth having your group wait

[opal basalt]

Is there a guide on how to sim for keys as sub? Or can I just use dungeon slice and it’s usually fine?

[lilac stag]

dslice is basically it for gearing

our talents are set

[opal basalt]

Very good, ty

[graceful crown]

Would be so cool reducing cd for vanish as a sub...

[hazy breach]

vanish does fuckall

[worn ivy]

We need some procc mechanic

Passive or something

[tepid trellis]

fuck no

go play outlaw

[hollow spear]

get out of the kitchen pls

[hazy breach]

We already have

[graceful crown]

Or reducing symbols a little :0

[worn ivy]

Why is it bad if u proc sd or symbols

Randomly in combar

Combat 🙂

[hazy breach]

Because then they would do less damage

[hollow spear]

because it's annoying

[hazy breach]

Because theyre up more often

And i feel like sub should be about planning your cooldowns, not randomly getting them

[hollow spear]

a couple of seconds of random symbols during our downtime won't do anything anyways

[tribal blade]

yeah sub's entire thing is lining stuff up

ahead of time

[lilac stag]

trying to explain to our fdk you may need to hold a cd for 10 seconds before ice skates comes out

[hazy breach]

Slightly more or slightly less cdr and the spec is peak

[lilac stag]

delete FW

[vestal escarp]

"peak"

[lilac stag]

well peak with trickster

[vestal escarp]

[tulip gorge]

what is wrong with FW

[graceful crown]

I wasnt saying random procs, just less cd like 50 for shadows and 25 for symbols base

[tulip gorge]

isn't it just a passive buff

[hazy breach]

except when its not up

[lilac stag]

it's pointless. you only notice it when its bad

which is locken

[tulip gorge]

but isn't it guaranteed to proc during dance?

[hazy breach]

with strike yes

Not with storm on aoe, unless you talent rotten, at which point you screw over your coup procs and do less damage because you aint cleaving

Also its bugged with almost every new interaction they add to it (like deathstalker) and prevents me from seeing big crits since its split into 2

[hollow spear]

peak is making sectec one big hit

and work like bp

[tribal blade]

shadowed finishers just causing more problems than it's worth

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade vexxie. yeah we're still not kings of the castle

[vestal escarp]

ofc

[proper beacon]

Are sims oversimming right now?

[lilac stag]

no

[vagrant thorn]

guys I haven't tried my trickster in visions yet, can you get healer soridormi and mass pull with tricks on her? does she die fast? 😛

[lilac stag]

well echoing void is

[hollow spear]

not vs reality, but vs. what the patch said it was going to be

[proper beacon]

680 sin crafts 2.9m with gushing wounds is kinda hard to believe tho

[lilac stag]

why we got buffed

we're still middle 1/3 of simc st sims

carry on

[mighty citrus]

imagine getting almost 10% buff and still middle of the pack 😄

[plush roost]

Well patchwork 5 min is not an accurate representation of the game

[lilac stag]

sim wise it's top of the middle 1/3

and ST patchwerk is lulz

[plush roost]

Being middle of the pack as a burst spec is quite neme

[vagrant thorn]

how do people even see that the 5% buff was "applied twice"?

[lilac stag]

but it's better than being 2.6 sim while others are 3.2

[plush roost]

Like some bosses in these keys i am cranking far too much lol

2.6m st in m+ is kindof wild

[lilac stag]

arcane says hi

[hazy breach]

Datamining

[vagrant thorn]

big brain stuff

[lilac stag]

legit rogues forgot what its like to do dmg

[plush roost]

Yeah we're just melee arcane without a funnel requirement that does more damage to packs

[lilac stag]

outside of funneling DM on assa

[hazy breach]

Ive seen 3.1 from arcane on the kelthuzad boss in top

(boss damage that is)

[plush roost]

Ye thats like ideal funnel scenario

Assa does pretty crazy on that boss too

[void hound]

imagine how kino this tier could have been with the unnerfed tier set

[hazy breach]

Nerd type shit

[tribal blade]

imagine getting double the intended buff and still not topping 🙂

[lilac stag]

we were pretty dog shit

[void hound]

something something polishing a turd

[lilac stag]

like liquid crapped in the house on the carpet dog shit

[brave moth]

Echoing void fixed or still bugged ?

[tribal blade]

you shouldn't use her, she doubles the hp of all mobs

[hollow spear]

I dont even want to imagine how this channel looks like if they actually revert it

[tribal blade]

it's like running with a 2nd person, except that 2nd person isn't doing much

[brave moth]

Getting Gushing Wound then, got it

[lilac stag]

you'll have 2 people get muted. the rest of us will be w/e

[fallen crescent]

Need triple the buff now

[hollow spear]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[void ocean]

we r the wow embodiment of that Titanic orchestra

[hazy breach]

Thanks to the guy who decided to "double it and give it to the next guy" with our buffs

[hollow spear]

who are we giving it to?

[brave moth]

Feels like some intern did the buff and he is playing sub

[vestal escarp]

i'd keep

[void ocean]

not dh, fuck dh

[lilac stag]

they wouldn't have fixed TFD cheese if that was the case

[vestal escarp]

dh good doesnt need

[brave moth]

Let's all be quite and they might not notice.

[tribal blade]

isn't it awesome how fast they fix beneficial bugs like that

[brave moth]

So what everyone got from the vault ?

[void ocean]

10% buff

[vestal escarp]

that cheese wasnt even for raid

[lilac stag]

would be nice if they just fixed everything, but I'm assuming that was easy to fix

[hazy breach]

Versmaxxin

[brave moth]

Tmog

[tribal blade]

nabbed this for my sin set

[brave moth]

Still didnt see one usefull ring this whole tier

[hollow spear]

I feel like it's cope to say that taking away the TFD bug made them give us another 5%

[hazy breach]

I have literally 0 avoidance or leech pieces

[hollow spear]

TFD doesnt do shit in raid

[hazy breach]

Actually wild

[tribal blade]

this is my 2nd piece of tier w/ avoidance

[brave moth]

Same I only got speed on my dagger

[lilac stag]

that's not what's being said. what's being said is they actually looked at the spec bug/performance vs whoopies here's a buff mistake

[void ocean]

im still thinking about my mornin sim, where i got the ring saying +28k dps, and wondering if it would actually be +14k with 5% buff. any takes on that one @hazy breach

[lilac stag]

tfd wasn't listed in github

not the cheese

[vestal escarp]

sim wants to replace it with jastor next week

[hollow spear]

I feel like if that's what they did, they'd actually mention that

[lilac stag]

so they actaully looked at the pins or randomly got lucky looking at a log

they never mention shit for rogue

[vestal escarp]

but socket was 0% upgrade somehow

[hollow spear]

They don't mention bug fixes, but numbers are usually mentioned#

[void ocean]

did u put a gem in it

[hollow spear]

Even for rogue

[lilac stag]

assa says otherwise

with some of their buffs

[hazy breach]

Sockets are barely outside margin these days

[gritty knot]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-season-6-truth-or-square-spongebob-truth-or-square-gif-14618301320258983224

I am pretty sure some assa or pirate spy in this channel already fked us over and reported us

[lilac stag]

you can just say it was Zac

[hollow spear]

Doesn't matter. If it hits wowhead, we're in hot water anyways...

[lilac stag]

on that note, enjoy your dooming life

[hollow spear]

You know it best, that's what you've been doing the last 3 months 😄

[vestal escarp]

not much dooming left with double buff

aside talents being completely shit

Dr doom going into retirement

[lilac stag]

hardly. the spec was down bad. said play it if you want fun. otherwise for prog play assa. that's just reality. not some made up bullshit in your head oh we're getting nerfed when they wake up.

[leaden prairie]

I did nothing

I'm happy if sub is good

The gooder sub is

[void ocean]

thats exactly what a reporter would say

[leaden prairie]

The less likely I have to play sin next prog

[hazy breach]

Nah i believe him

[lilac stag]

until we get nerfed week1 S3

[hazy breach]

Hes an assassination hater

[vestal escarp]

you're playing sin all patches

[leaden prairie]

I am

[vestal escarp]

sin is sin

[leaden prairie]

Big time assa hater

R1 assa hater

[vestal escarp]

in this iteration i wanna place at R2 pls thank you

[hollow spear]

I think there's no competition for zac

He's in his own category

[lilac stag]

Nuke used Echoing Void. Sadge it only hit .8% of dmg overall.

[gritty knot]

I also reported our pirate friends for having a fkn op ability: Killing Spree. Hopefully that shit gets nerfed

[leaden prairie]

fr

[lilac stag]

outlaw would be so good without KS

[woeful storm]

ks is very fun

[hazy breach]

Surely they fix KS for next tier

[lilac stag]

not every 15 seconds

[woeful storm]

it just have to stop zigzaggin you

[leaden prairie]

I mean the worse thing about ks isn't even the zig zag

[lilac stag]

KS is not fun if that's your *

[leaden prairie]

It's just that it essentially a 3 sec stun

You need to predict you will be safe in 3 s at you landing point

Which is too hard / impossible

[hazy breach]

The janky camera doesnt help either

[leaden prairie]

Also not being able to kick/def/cc or even understand wtf is happenijg during it

Like sometimes I just die cause Idk wtf is happening

[hazy breach]

There was a clip of a disc priest getting confused as hell because he casted penance right as KS went of

[north schooner]

wdym the wowhead comments said it's safe if you know how to use it

[gritty knot]

https://tenor.com/view/2omb-pray-prayge-gif-24836268

Just press evasion and cloak and pray

[woeful storm]

maybe the lock should scale with haste or someshit like that

[lilac stag]

what's the warrior one, demolish thatis the stun? imagine giving them KS instead. that would be reverted the next day

[woeful storm]

so you locked less idk

[hazy breach]

How much vers do you have mr zacman

[leaden prairie]

It does

[woeful storm]

demolish locks you but feels so good to press

[leaden prairie]

38

41 with druid I think

Something like that

[hazy breach]

Quite the large number

[north schooner]

if it didn't scale with haste it would be 4s lock with 10cp

[woeful storm]

also I agree pressing it so very often is kinda lame

[leaden prairie]

honestly i hate that it scales UP in duration with cp spent

it should be the opposite lol

Haste rewards you by making it faster

[hazy breach]

Or atleast static

[leaden prairie]

But cps does the opposite??

Like who thought of that xd

[hazy breach]

Idk it kinda makes sense as a 2 min cd or whatever

[lilac stag]

10cp KS in 1 seconds would be fine

[woeful barn]

I was coping hard thinking pre feint with elusiveness would somehow make a difference.

[leaden prairie]

i mean its never fine but

at least it would be better

[lilac stag]

but it’s 15 second cd

[hazy breach]

Im aware

[woeful barn]

Remove KS give us DFA ez

[north schooner]

bare minimum the attacks should be faster. 0,4s per cp is insane

[woeful storm]

ye dfa slaps

love that shit

[lilac stag]

If they’re not going to delete it at least lower it

[woeful barn]

The cheese was so fun with it

Legion sub would be the only appealing reason for me to play remix. But it won’t be the same

[woeful storm]

i feel like dfa alone is more flavorful than all hero talents

[woeful barn]

Based tbh

[lilac stag]

Weird what a little fun animation can do for enjoyment and dopamine hits

instead we have purple farts and seizure inducing zig zags

[vestal escarp]

imagine the shitshow on logs if they revert the additional 5%

[woeful barn]

Never made sense to me to put it on honor talents. I’ve never seen it played in arena ever.

At least in any relevant bracket

[lilac stag]

gap closer / immunity

[woeful barn]

There are much better options

[lilac stag]

I mean there are much better options than playing a stun bot for a mage

[woeful barn]

Exactly why

Because the spec cross ccd bursted then ran away to stealth

[lilac stag]

Being a mage simp isn’t exactly an arena goal of mine.

but that would also mean playing PvP

[woeful barn]

Hell no

Thug cleave is the chad comp

[lilac stag]

plunderstorm is the best PvP blizzard has done in wow in 15 years

[woeful barn]

I did imagine a world tho if rogues didn’t stun simp then blizzard would give em back deep freeze but those days are over. PvP is completely cooked

If we had the old arena tourny realm access from forever ago it unironically might be in a better state. Grab full gear and q. It’s a stretch but maybe more appealing for players who don’t want to go through the gearing process getting gaped and pied for 200 matches

[wild vine]

So based. Miss the days where sub actually had enough burst to oneshot someone alone

[haughty rose]

How we feeling about the buff in action?

You probably already talked about it but CBA to read everything in here.

[hazy breach]

https://tenor.com/view/barack-obama-gif-14713645611577259969

[wild vine]

Well pvp has the same issues pve has if you are late to the party

[woeful barn]

Yeah

[wild vine]

You just get shit on without direct competition in pve

So its less obvious

[woeful barn]

Barrier to entry way to high requires way to much information and knowledge plus patience and all the other mental requirements outside of the game

[lilac stag]

Which was why plunder was fun.

[woeful barn]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

figure out the extras and play

[woeful barn]

Game has been information>> skill for quite some time

[short radish]

OKAY I NEED NONE OF YOU TO KILL OAB FOR THE NEXT 12 HOURS

THANKS

[woeful barn]

Grats

[lilac stag]

DONT WORRY WERREEREE GETTING NURFED

[hazy breach]

You need your parse to last way longer than that im afraid

[short radish]

it locks in every day doesnt it?

[hazy breach]

Since the ranks update once every day

[formal helm]

anyone has a smart tricks wa? my one seems to have a lua error

[short radish]

wait

when does the day end

[lilac stag]

Subs downfall starts in 57 minutes

[hazy breach]

Think they do it around midday CET

[short radish]

whens that

[lilac stag]

NA maintenance

[hazy breach]

Like 2/3 hours ago?

[short radish]

FUCK

[hazy breach]

Its purposefully done when as few people as possible are logging

[short radish]

this is racism against australia

[leaden prairie]

Tbf

It's a bit weird imo

Cause na get to get free r1 for example

During these type of stuffs

[hazy breach]

Ye

[brittle plinth]

Bogans have no rights

[lilac stag]

@hazy breach when is your reclear?

[worn ivy]

You is it just me or buff feels more than 5%

[leaden prairie]

I think the lock should be like it is at start of partition

End of week

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/brent-my-hero-aus-top-guy-gif-17971844794065873200

[hazy breach]

Im not disagreeing

[brittle plinth]

Is that a bottle of tooeys

[wild vine]

The pins might help you with that odd question

[brittle plinth]

NM vb

[short radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns15eHLDv1I

[brittle plinth]

Hahaha

[worn ivy]

There is nothing in pins

[wild vine]

There is a pin about the buff

[lilac stag]

There is

[worn ivy]

5% it says

[wild vine]

A preview is a preview at the end of the day

[bleak night]

[wild vine]

If you click on the preview you can see the full pin

[haughty mural]

Read the whole pin

[worn ivy]

So you seee

I was right

Sometikes feelings

Is ok 🙂

[haughty mural]

[worn ivy]

Moof of time people like aaa lashga you doing feelycraft

Bro 3k st stable

Like wtf

[haughty mural]

Huh

[worn ivy]

0 buffs

[vestal escarp]

stable as in

[short radish]

feelings are never okay

[vestal escarp]

🐴

[short radish]

bury them

[vestal escarp]

?

[short radish]

supress them

[worn ivy]

Bro i outdos dk / hunt

Interesting

[lilac stag]

Surely not mentally.

[worn ivy]

Im the happiest man in the world rn

Dont touch me

Get away from me

[lilac stag]

haha

You missed all the dooming already

You’re good

[swift tinsel]

I'm sure it'll be back when they correct the buff

[worn ivy]

Did people come here and complain

[smoky jolt]

Are they changing it again?

[vestal escarp]

i did

[vestal escarp]

[swift tinsel]

hopefully it takes 6months to fix

[lilac stag]

people making up scenarios in their heads it’ll get reverted

@worn ivy TFD macro got fixed too

[worn ivy]

They wont change ir

[hazy breach]

The way they did it makes it seem very much like it was not intended fwiw

[worn ivy]

Did they fix the rook 1 st boss ?

[lilac stag]

I’d say opposite. I would have expected one to just get the wrong number. Not a completely separate addition. Who knows? We run with it.

if it wasn’t intended we go back to mid and at least out of assa prison

[stiff stirrup]

Assa still pulls ahead no

[hazy breach]

They made a new aura that gave us 5% damage for some reason instead of using the regular aura. Then presumably somebody on blizzard saw that they hadnt changed the actual aura so they bumped it up, which is how we got two 5%

[hollow spear]

Idk, saying people make up stuff and then coming up with "maybe they had a good look at the spec and decided it was under performing"

[hazy breach]

Its possible they keep it because we were down bad before, but its absolutely not intended

[lilac stag]

Fixing TFD actually involved looking at the spec

[wild vine]

How do you just make a new aura on accident tho

(Real question, no idea)

[stiff stirrup]

I mean once it gets fixed to original 5% buff

[lilac stag]

He’s saying a second person didn’t see what was expected

[hazy breach]

Idk probably somebody that didnt realize there already was auras

[vagrant thorn]

they might keep it because it feels bad to take stuff away from people once you give it to them 🙂

[swift tinsel]

lmao

[lilac stag]

Tier is over. Who cares. Have fun.

[haughty mural]

Press your sectechs as hard as you can

[lilac stag]

the 5% Dev buff that turned into 12% still there.

[tribal blade]

hey guys i think we're doing more than 5%

?

[bleak night]

hotfix inc where they make the same mistake they did in the first place with the buff and sub ends up with 0%

[tribal blade]

?

?

[hollow spear]

Do you feel that?

[tribal blade]

i feel it in my pants

[lilac stag]

It’ll just reset aura to 0%

[tribal blade]

my pants are getting tight for some strange reason

[hollow spear]

If it's two separate auras, they'll just kill one

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/close-the-gate-jennie-jennie-kim-blackpink-shut-down-song-gif-26867752

[swift tinsel]

or both and forget to re-add one

[hollow spear]

Or that

[haughty mural]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vibe-153bpm-gif-18260767

Vibing

With feels

[vagrant thorn]

what happened to Sub needing a rework? 🙂

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-kermit-the-frog-kermit-dancing-fun-gif-16613860

[hollow spear]

Meh, doesn't matter. As scath says, tier is basically over. We take what we can get for as long as we can.

[keen dome]

I lost my 100 on Cauldron.

[tribal blade]

tragedy

[keen dome]

Only one thing for it: Find a group that kills it EVEN FASTER

[leaden prairie]

I think it's quite concerning that blizzard cannot even aura buff a spec without fucking up

But oh well

[keen dome]

No more concerning than that time they pushed the .5 patch without all the hotfixes they'd made before

[hazy breach]

Dw next patch it will be reverted

Just like other buffs

[leaden prairie]

:)

[dreamy badger]

revert + already fixed bugs get added back into the game

[swift tinsel]

if RS bug makes it back in I'm nuking Irvine

[silent ruin]

Bring back coup teleport

[hazy breach]

Coup bug round three

[dreamy badger]

xdd

[hazy breach]

With the perma coup'

[lilac stag]

RS would be peak

[swift tinsel]

Always charges you if there's a deadly mechanic in the way

[lilac stag]

or idk Sectech randomly not hitting

[keen dome]

coup charge but it goes up this time

[swift tinsel]

lmao

[keen dome]

so we shoot into the sky

[swift tinsel]

like ultimate penitence

big uppies

[worn ivy]

What if i tell you they not gonna do anthing about this

[haughty mural]

Did you feel it ?

[swift tinsel]

are you gonna threaten to delete your rogue again if they do?

[lilac stag]

I think you need to threaten to quit again if they do

[worn ivy]

Listen last time i said i wait 1 morw
Week

[tribal blade]

playing with hope is a dangerous game

[worn ivy]

Or i quit

Boom

Next week sub buffs

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-3d-world-moving-goalpost-moving-the-goalpost-mario-moving-goalpost-gif-16038453592271850473

[worn ivy]

Becareful what you wish for

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/goal-post-moving-gif-4340065224199915116

[worn ivy]

LISTEN

I SAID 5% is not enough

Boom accidently 10%

[swift tinsel]

pp so huge

[worn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/im-king-of-the-world-jack-dawson-leonardo-dicaprio-fabrizio-titanic-gif-20723447

[lilac stag]

So the logical answer is Russia hacked blizzard dev servers.

https://tenor.com/view/jack-wake-up-titanic-leonardo-dicaprio-leo-dicaprio-gif-12149327

[swift tinsel]

Rose deleted Jack

its canon

careful what you wish for

[lilac stag]

put Dave over Jack

[swift tinsel]

omg

[lilac stag]

Blizzard over rose

[swift tinsel]

lmao

[lilac stag]

You’re welcome

[graceful osprey]

anyone still huffing Copium for 11.2 sub rogue changes?

[worn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balanced-gif-3226445978144001245

[tribal blade]

there wasn't enough room on the door for sub buffs

they sank with jack to the bottom of the ocean

[worn ivy]

Is tfd bug fixed ?

[lilac stag]

I literally pinged you for that macro cheese

[tribal blade]

omfg i just naturally reverted to dooming about sub buffs

whoops

i'm on autopilot

[swift tinsel]

its okay its a reflex

[tribal blade]

it is lol

[lilac stag]

but what if everyone else gets buffs

[tribal blade]

THEN we doom

frfr

[lilac stag]

Then we’re back to down bad

[worn ivy]

Reflecting to logs aldready

[tribal blade]

oh hey it's tom elvis

the king himself

[hazy breach]

Top dragon log did 4.6

[leaden prairie]

i havent recleared yet

[patent lichen]

Sub keeping up with other specs because of the extra 5%???? Better revert

[leaden prairie]

i will do 4 mil

i will be the first to do 4mil

!

[patent lichen]

I know the pins

Reeeeee

[worn ivy]

Is sub for gallywix progress ?

Good?

[patent lichen]

Sub for all

Sub is life

[worn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-no-no-no-wait-wait-wait-gif-14121307913509203183

Me if they revert

[tepid trellis]

i hope they do, just so i can see you crashout

[worn ivy]

They wont

https://tenor.com/view/thursday-gif-6351894256614136357

[tepid trellis]

writing a msg to a blizz dev as we speak

[hollow spear]

Would be crashout #5 this week

Followed by some setting the kitchen on fire

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-writing-taking-down-notes-insomnia-homework-gif-11670309

https://tenor.com/view/cat-with-fire-reflected-on-the-glass-on-his-head-gif-6450860921322291023

[haughty mural]

Changes?

[tepid trellis]

i just like watching people get upset

over silly shit

u know what they should do

revert the 5%

and buff aug by another 10%

so i can get a double whammy

[haughty mural]

[tepid trellis]

people upset about the accidental buff getting removed

and outlaw channel having another mental breakdown over augs ruining their fun

would make a 10/10 start to the summer

[haughty mural]

Based af

[paper iron]

Stealthi

[haughty mural]

Damn

[paper iron]

Why u mad always like that

[haughty mural]

That was fast

[paper iron]

[tepid trellis]

i aint mad

i perfectly zen

cuz im only playing wow once a week for 2 hours

[paper iron]

I dont even Know what happened

That s how much i play the game

About 2 bosses every week

[tepid trellis]

i just like seeing people crash out

its funny

[paper iron]

U sûre do

[hazy breach]

Nah keep the 5%, i want to play more sub in keys

[brisk onyx]

yes, remove sub save aug

[random hare]

Guys

[paper iron]

So

Wait

[random hare]

Its

Sub rogue

O’clock

[paper iron]

If i understood correctly

[random hare]

Sub>sin confirmed

[paper iron]

The 5% is à 10% ?

[tepid trellis]

yes

[vestal escarp]

zeross try this

[paper iron]

Yea glad i quitted

Blizzard is really dogshit

[brisk onyx]

thank you for your confirmation

[random hare]

IM MEMEING

RELAX

ICDIDNTVTEST YET

I DIDNT test yet*

[tepid trellis]

only thing zeross knows is every single flavour of redbull

[paper iron]

Stfu zero

Ur loud

Calm down

[random hare]

@tepid trellis i saw deathstalker sims higher in st

Is that true

[tribal blade]

much anger i sense in you

[haughty mural]

Can you not be happy for us censi

[tepid trellis]

no lol

[random hare]

Trickster is way better anyway cuz its tanky as fuck

[tribal blade]

DS sub was truly dark times

never again

[random hare]

5% dr is rly good

For high keys

[tepid trellis]

there was an april fools joke in the tc channel

[random hare]

Ah

[tepid trellis]

so people did not catch that

[hazy breach]

Bro how is the april fools still getting people

[random hare]

Ye i figured cuz when i went to the dummies

I literally did

30% less burst

And less st

[worn ivy]

You know everday after work im driving home with sadness, today not gonna be same ill go bucks and get iced americano grande than open some cool russian rap and gonna smile while driving home coz we fucking back 🙂

[tribal blade]

trying to fit 2nd sectec in cds as DS

is omega cursed

[random hare]

Idk i read it last week

[paper iron]

They ll reverse the error OR wont touch sub for longer. In both case no real reason to be happy. The game is coded by 🐧 Who cant push correct numbers and bring more issue and more bug abuse every single patch

[tepid trellis]

slay queen

[paper iron]

[tepid trellis]

remember to post it on insta with a nice caption

u go girl

[random hare]

Was gonna quit wow ngl

But now that sub is buffed

Might actually test it now

[haughty mural]

[keen dome]

You could say

It's sublime

[worn ivy]

Ahahhaah

[hazy breach]

Sub cinema on bosses like first boss ML and last boss Rookery

[hollow spear]

Zeross are you cosplaying as Lashga rn

[worn ivy]

2md boss
ML

Workshop 1 st boss

Moma 🙂

Im molding

[paper iron]

Btw stealthi. I hope aug get anothzr set of buffs so i can quit in peace for real no regrets and watch rogue discord dooming

[haughty mural]

I don’t like workshop 1st boss amp

[random hare]

?

im not that cooked

wdym

[paper iron]

U are

[swift tinsel]

gotta link more stat weight sims first

[worn ivy]

Stuns

[hollow spear]

True

[swift tinsel]

to hit that final form

[tepid trellis]

i just wanna watch outlaw throw a fit about how it makes them unplayable

peak

cinema

[paper iron]

Outlaw Will get à total rework soon

I feel it

[worn ivy]

I hope they nerf assa to the ground that never had to play that spec anymore ☠️☠️☠️

[swift tinsel]

I kinda hope so

[worn ivy]

❌❌❌❌

[haughty mural]

Blinds

[hollow spear]

I need a bucket of popcorn for the inevitable Lashga crashout

[tepid trellis]

sorry its the favorite child

[swift tinsel]

if outlaw becomes less aids I'd gladly play it again

[paper iron]

They cant make assa bad

[tepid trellis]

its gonna be buffed again for next tier

[paper iron]

I can predict next patch

Ready

[swift tinsel]

no notes

[keen dome]

Posion toggle?

[swift tinsel]

sin gets 15% buff

[paper iron]

2nd weeks of the patch sub nerf, outlaw New bugs, assa buffs

Gg

[vestal escarp]

15% good

i'd take it

[bleak night]

from your mouth to gods ear

another assa tier pog

[paper iron]

Bel i dont like u

Idk why

[worn ivy]

Delete sin bring rogue support spec with bloodlust

[paper iron]

[worn ivy]

🫡

[bleak night]

[fathom gazelle]

i feel im in start of this season dejavu

[random hare]

hhuys

guys

anyone

wanna do visions

[brave moth]

Something like that

[random hare]

?

[brave moth]

Bruf. Adrenaline Rush is perfect name for rogue Bloodlust

[paper iron]

I can log zero

I ve Never done them

Is it fun at least

[swift tinsel]

eh

[tribal blade]

giving rogue lust when it's useless for sub

would not be it

would like bres before that

[swift tinsel]

peak blizz design tho

[hollow spear]

Therefore it's something blizz would do

[tribal blade]

also i don't want to have to keep track of when to lust smile

[haughty mural]

Dw we will get the ww treatment

[brave moth]

Adrenaline surge -> Bress
Adrenaline Rush -> BL

[paper iron]

Would like an offensiv raid buff first

[brave moth]

Blizz hire me to make the names of the spells

[tribal blade]

probably a crit buff for rogue

like 3% crit or something

[random hare]

log

@paper iron

i wont play much cuz i didnt wash my face yet

[paper iron]

Logging

[swift tinsel]

bring back restless crew

[random hare]

gonna do that after i get enchants

[hazy breach]

What? Theres no amp on first boss workshop?

[keen dome]

When he get hit with the hammer he takes bonus damage

[hazy breach]

No

He stops taking less damage

[keen dome]

OH.

Look I'm very stupid

[hazy breach]

Like he applies a 33% DR to himself

Which the hammers remove

[keen dome]

Yeah I could've sworn he took a 10% bonus dam when they were taken off

But I imagined it

[paper iron]

it s kinda a damage amp in a way

[keen dome]

damage deamp

[paper iron]

since he takes more damage for X time

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[hollow spear]

Be like me and send your cd into dr