subtlety

[fallow nimbus]

Yeah, once rwf is over then go

[keen dome]

Personally I don't think they should keep it for RWF 'cos who cares it's an unoffocial thing but yeah, that'd be fine.

[short radish]

well

HoF is an official thing

[fallow nimbus]

Just to prevent omega 4 bosse mythic splits

[keen dome]

HoF would take too long

You'd just be making people wait for ages. Nah, fuck that. RWF sure but HoF nah

[short radish]

no

[keen dome]

haha

[short radish]

then you have ultra degen stuff for hof

[keen dome]

so

[lilac stag]

HoF wouldn’t take too long

[fallow nimbus]

Hof will take more and more time every patch with fewer guilds

[short radish]

as a borderline HoF (Shame) guild

i think the lockouts are good there

[lilac stag]

Remove lockout after hof and it helps low end ce guilds

That’s about the time roster boss starts to creep

[keen dome]

Why should people have to wait until HoF closes though

It's arbitary

[lilac stag]

there should be some integrity to HoF

[short radish]

because HoF is a competition

and having competition is good

[lilac stag]

and it’s one of the only competitive raid things left

[keen dome]

Okay, that's a fair argument

[short radish]

if they remove lockouts then 2day guilds really get fucked over

by the degen 2 day (actually 3 day) and 3 day guilds

[keen dome]

Yeah, nah, I agree with you now. I don't like it but I absolutely see your point.

[fringe palm]

we had mythic splits this tier already please dont remove lockouts

[short radish]

yeah

gates have to kept at some point

[lilac stag]

There are no roster issues for the first 6 weeks

You’re reclearing and getting people in as a non hof ce guild

as soon as extending hits is when lockout should go

Which is typically HoF close

[keen dome]

I would prefer it to be fully open from the get-go, but I think that's a fair reason to keep it static and to the current lockout just until HoF fills. And once it does, Heroic-esque lockout

It would also result in pug enviroments actually being geared enough to do early Mythic and prog so it'd probably work out pretty well long-term

[lilac stag]

You would destroy mythic and just push it into even more degen shit

if it wasn’t there at the start

[short radish]

yeah fuck degenners

and mythic splits

holy

[keen dome]

Death to splits

Absolutely not something i will ever do because I cannot think of anything less fun

[short radish]

doing keys

[keen dome]

I can do keys on my own time!!

[short radish]

i dont want to do keys

[plush roost]

Splits for a few weeks is fine imo, the raid is still new and you get a couple run arounds on bosses

[lilac stag]

it’s already bad enough running 8 keys a week

[keen dome]

Make it 1/3/6, Blizzard

Do it

[plush roost]

Anyone doing splits past week 3 tho i feel bad for, or doing 6+ splits a week

Thats pain

[short radish]

that being said

i wish we did splits so we could get trinkets

[keen dome]

Haha

[lilac stag]

That’s only useful if you’re no capping crests in raid

[plush roost]

We did just did one split and i found it fun because i was competing with the other two havoc dhs on my alt lol

[lilac stag]

Right back at forced content / heroic creat discussion.

[fringe palm]

then youre more tilted when you dont get anything

[keen dome]

Yeah, true

[short radish]

thank fuck i got house of cards from vault

[keen dome]

I still hope they bring in this bad luck system we have with the Dinars from week 1 in S3. Like, it's a good idea, and a good system to have deterministic bad luck protection once a month. But they absolutely won't.

[short radish]

if i still had transmitter

[hazy breach]

Dinar alleviates a lot of this atleast

[short radish]

when we killed gally

i'd throw something out the window

probably mself

[fringe palm]

for m+ pushing yes, good change. also means we can sell loot more freely

[plush roost]

My guild prioritized transmitter users for HoC lol

Based af

[keen dome]

Every week you get +1 currency. At +4 currency you can buy any item from a boss you've killed. So once a month you can buy a deterministic item from content you've done. Huge QoL. I cannot think of a negative aspect for this kind of system.

[fringe palm]

i got HoC but killed mythic mugzee with a normal dagger. im the only rogue in my guild

[keen dome]

Toss in key brackets too so if you've timed everything on +7, you can buy a Hero M+ drop. And at +12, a Myth one.

[short radish]

I STILL HAVNET SEEN A MYTHIC DAGGER FROM RICHARD REVERBERATION

[keen dome]

(or maybe +10 I dunno)

[fringe palm]

i picked that from vault 2 weeks ago didnt have mythic dagger before either

[lilac stag]

Sorry I got both of them

[short radish]

yeah i picked that this week

[warm depot]

sorry i also got both of them

[keen dome]

I got a Haste/Versa in my first M+10 vault and I haven't seen a single dagger since

[short radish]

was expecting it to drop this week because of that (it did not)

[short radish]

GIVE ME ONE

[fringe palm]

i swear every alt rogue had daggers in splits and first alt mythic run aswell

[short radish]

PLEASE

[warm depot]

since i’m quitting sure

[fringe palm]

life isnt fun without some struggle (playing rogue)

[random hare]

Yo meow guy

How do i join the meow guild

?

[lilac stag]

Meow more

[short radish]

[hazy breach]

I have 2 bandit daggers with speed

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/super-troopers-meow-not-funny-gif-26593884

[north schooner]

you need thigh highs and cat ears first

[hazy breach]

Y'all cant catch me

[keen dome]

What the heck, Eleem. That's some luck

Speed best

I miss my normal HoC with speed 😦

[hazy breach]

I have no leech or avoidance

[tribal blade]

in before blizz puts a new thing to buy tertiaries to put on gear with vault tokens

[hazy breach]

Mr candleking really clapping my cheeks

[tribal blade]

every tier so far i get 1 big tier piecce with avoidance

[plush roost]

Ayo same

[plush roost]

Hooly

[random hare]

Im at avoidance penalty rn

[plush roost]

Weird flex but okay

[random hare]

6000 avoidance

[tribal blade]

SHEEEESH

[night sparrow]

SUB BUFF AND QoL UPDATE WHEN ???

[tribal blade]

do you need

[random hare]

Dont hit me with an axe wtf

[void hound]

death to splits

[keen dome]

tomorrow

[fallow nimbus]

Splits are dangerous because with every new splitraid i get more fun on my dh but we already have 2

[fringe palm]

only 50k more and youre as tanky as a dk

[fringe palm]

reroll and take their spot

[warm depot]

it’s a server i’m in

it’s not public tho sry

[random hare]

I joined cat one too late now

Meow one sucks cuz it can be a random dog that meows

Cat is a guaranteed good meow

[warm depot]

so true

[random hare]

[zenith prism]

@random hare is it good to use kezan over pacemaker on rookery's last boss

[hazy breach]

Ye hes just a bozo that doesnt have it

[zenith prism]

heroic kezan over mythic pakemaker?

[hazy breach]

Probably ye, since pacemaker typically doesnt line up that well

[vestal escarp]

Unless you will it really strong

[sly shore]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[random hare]

yea it is, but building up a new cook for the 20 i think will see if it works well

should easily time it tmrw

or rather next reset in general as its hard to play keys on wednesdays

[lilac stag]

I legit don’t know how you do keys non stop. I want to unalive myself half way through filling vault.

[vestal escarp]

Do em with mates

[sly shore]

Mental illness

[vestal escarp]

The weeklies

[leaden prairie]

because weeklies arent fun at all

It's the same shit with raid

[warm depot]

i do 4 then close the game

and open up a good game

like expedition 33

[leaden prairie]

People sit on prog everyday of the week for 4 hours

[haughty mural]

:3

[leaden prairie]

They wouldn't do that for reclears lol

Keys is the same

You can't spam weeklies all day everyday

Pushing keys is different tho

[fiery pewter]

Do 1 10 and then complain that I don't get any good options from the vault

[swift tinsel]

the true endgame

[lilac stag]

Nothing in what I’ve pushed has remotely come close to saying this is going to be any more enjoyable. We got our 3k a month or whatever ago and fuck it I’m out.

to each their own

[leaden prairie]

Well sure

[vale pine]

hey, we get visions soon

they ended up quite fun in bfa

[leaden prairie]

Still there is no way anyone can sit through doing infinite weeklies

While pushing keys is different

You might still not enjoy pushing keys that's fair

[random hare]

only vision i need is your eyes baby

[leaden prairie]

But zeross wouldn't do the same amount of weeklies he is doing while pushing

[warm depot]

zeross is a demon

[random hare]

job interview soon quit wow potentially

[vale pine]

👉 👈

[vale pine]

good luck

[random hare]

ty ty

[warm depot]

gl gl

[random hare]

ty ty

[hoary lotus]

Rogue buffs today right

[leaden prairie]

Fr?

[random hare]

ye

100% will quit this season just not sure when

[hoary lotus]

Quitter

[random hare]

next week or this week or next month

gotta start my irl life once and for all anyways

[sacred yarrow]

good luck, ace that interview

[hoary lotus]

Adult life is boring

[random hare]

ty cuh ye will prep

[random hare]

i kinda have to so ye

not really my choice

can't make money otherwise and i studied years for this

only had a bit of fun time now to play abit so

that'll be enough for the memories

[hoary lotus]

You'll be back

[leaden prairie]

You studied?

[random hare]

casually ye i'll play

just not hardcore

[random hare]

ya

[leaden prairie]

Wtf did you study while playing 24/7 there is no way

[hoary lotus]

[random hare]

i was in university wdym

for 4 years

before army

[leaden prairie]

You were ??

Ah before army

[random hare]

well i only play 24/7 now

[leaden prairie]

Then after army

[random hare]

cuz nothing i do

[leaden prairie]

Well

[random hare]

only wow

[leaden prairie]

Ok sure

What did you study

[random hare]

marketing & entrepreneurship

[leaden prairie]

Are you going to be a master entreprise giga CEO or

[swift tinsel]

wait are we gonna see you on Shark Tank

[random hare]

ye will minmax irl now

CEO of blackrock inc

[swift tinsel]

save a house for me man

[random hare]

my guy ceo of blackrock can save u an entire planet

that company is wild

[leaden prairie]

Minmaxing irl sounds so boring

Wtf is blackrock

[swift tinsel]

they're scooping up real estate left and right and just letting stuff sit

[leaden prairie]

Isn't that a wow server

[swift tinsel]

it's like a mega-corp

that owns everything

[random hare]

some ppl say they work with the illuminati

cuz of how big they are

[swift tinsel]

crazy diversified holdings

[leaden prairie]

I don't invite blackrock people

Not racist but

[lilac stag]

I have zero upgrades from vault so… I can sell mask runs and just raid log.

[random hare]

?!

[swift tinsel]

are they like the Ragnaros/Azralon of EU?

[random hare]

more like

kazzak

kazzak has alot of peopel to the level where it has all kinds of people so its called the most toxic server in wow

[still trellis]

tbh thats fair, im on that server and i wouldnt invite anyone from there either

[swift tinsel]

that could be a few NA-equivalents lol

[haughty mural]

Hating on germans smh my head

[lilac stag]

yeah hate on the Hungarians

Smh my head

[leaden prairie]

i just got told you guys were all illuminaty

truth?

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/mlg-illuminati-illuminati-confirmed-conspiracy-theory-gif-4887893

[still trellis]

yap, and we are also all drunk all the time

[leaden prairie]

i see

[random hare]

i want a good tv show guys

[haughty mural]

[random hare]

cuz

im watching reacher its nice but i want something engaging

feels abit boring at times

[swift tinsel]

tbh it fell off at s3 for me

first two were great

[random hare]

ye s3 is the one im talking about

[leaden prairie]

Ross I have all the best series

Cannot share tho

[swift tinsel]

I think I got 3 episodes in and dropped it

lol

[leaden prairie]

[random hare]

thats exactly where im at rn

[swift tinsel]

idk if I've watched anything lately thats worth recommending

lotsa garbo on streaming services atm

so I'm catching up on my anime backlog lol

[haughty mural]

If that spreads I’ll never get invites again

Madge

[random hare]

is the new season 2 silo good

or

[still trellis]

you are playing rogue, what changes?

[swift tinsel]

I actually haven't seen that yet, I've heard its pretty good

[strange chasm]

Snowpercier

[haughty mural]

You got me

[strange chasm]

bis show

[leaden prairie]

Of course

Why haven't you watched it yet

[swift tinsel]

plus Rebecca Ferguson

[random hare]

idk

[leaden prairie]

Im in love with Rebecca Ferguson

[swift tinsel]

easily one of the most attractive people to ever live

[leaden prairie]

I like mature women now what a banger

Can't wait to be into old ladies

[swift tinsel]

Cate Blanchett was my awakening lol

[haughty mural]

We are turning into sin channel

Pog

[swift tinsel]

the aura is immaculate

[leaden prairie]

Wtf she is old old

Would

[swift tinsel]

lmao you'll get there someday

also would be remiss if I didn't mention Monica Belucci

[random hare]

https://tenor.com/view/green-balloon-boner-up-dick-blow-up-gif-16780914

[leaden prairie]

I'm already there all good

[haughty mural]

You learn riding on old horses
Atleast that’s how the saying goes

[swift tinsel]

I live in midwest NA so the cougar pickin's are quite slim

man's gotta dream big

and I'm getting up in years so soon that'll just be the dating pool age range lol

[fiery pewter]

When the "Mature" section in pornhub is just women your age

[swift tinsel]

lmao I think in corn years I'm already there

[leaden prairie]

I'm 25

Am I cooked

[keen dome]

yes

[random hare]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1275581137397354607/1374360119672049764/feedcat.gif?ex=682dc41a&is=682c729a&hm=92c6579f675d41583ff0ad14450828523e3d36725ed0d2510783b2643f22b889&=&width=330&height=248

[swift tinsel]

I'm 35, you're good for a while yet

[keen dome]

Old men playing Sub rogue

[swift tinsel]

I'm semi-retired atm

may resub with gold and mess with visions for a bit but I don't feel compelled

mostly annoyed with how they're handling sub so I'm not giving them money for a while

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/tzuyu-tzuyu-reaction-kpop-girl-reaction-kpop-reaction-scaring-gif-13488766872915187818

Or OT

[lilac stag]

So basically never again.

[swift tinsel]

most likely lol

[lilac stag]

[swift tinsel]

I've got a decent gold stockpile so I can pop in for a month here and there if they release something that looks fun

[keen dome]

I will continue to never log off so they can't delete Sub

[lilac stag]

They’ll just delete your tune

during a reset

Can’t be that hard to manually flag 16 toons

[keen dome]

Hahah

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-gif-13397425

[swift tinsel]

they'll probably accidentally delete 200 non-subs, wide nets and all that

surely never caught anyone in any crossfires before

[keen dome]

They try to delete me but I've been logged in so much that I'm a load bearing character

[swift tinsel]

literal pillar of the community

holy fuck

lmao

[haughty mural]

https://tenor.com/view/rosé-bruno-apt-gif-17783211214725983796

[swift tinsel]

mine /played is spread across so many toons I wonder what the aggregate is

[haughty mural]

That’s a lot of days

I gotta check mine this evening

[leaden prairie]

is that real

how old are you

[keen dome]

Yes

old

(35 this year lmao)

[leaden prairie]

Thats 6 years in-game?

That's not possible no?

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/one-of-us-wolf-of-wall-street-wolf-of-wall-street-gif-pelf-pelfort-gif-2709546633117027040

[leaden prairie]

Let me think

[keen dome]

Yes it is

WoW is 20 years old

[leaden prairie]

Ask chat gpt rather, I don't think anymore

[swift tinsel]

I think between my paladin, rogue, dk and warrior I have 4 years playtime?

[keen dome]

I started in Cata and I leave WoW logged in when I'm at my pc to chat and do trade stuff and hang out. It's a nice social connection for chatting. So it really, really starts to add up

[short radish]

wtf you actually chat in wow

thats crazy

[fiery pewter]

I cycle between too many characters to have those hours on a single one

[swift tinsel]

I did that with my old AH toon for a long time

[keen dome]

It's a lot of fun just talking to people sometimes. Seeing how they play the game, etc.

[fiery pewter]

But even combined im not sure id have over 1000 days lol. And I've played since BC

[keen dome]

I also only really play one character, so it's all on that, my rogue

[fiery pewter]

Was a Monk main for the longest time, but then one of my friends began to main Monk as well and im a hipster who doesn't like to play same classes as others... so...

[swift tinsel]

lol felt

though I do like having at least one other mirror in raid for motivation to beat them

[leaden prairie]

nvm

[keen dome]

Haha

[graceful osprey]

I used to play plate rogue before the holy power change in cata. Moved to real rogue in WoD and been maining rogue since

[swift tinsel]

I was a holy paladin main from bc through late cata when I made my dk and rogue, mostly healed until probably mid-mop where I started playing my alts more

warrior was a pvp toon

[leaden prairie]

thats for playing like 4 hours a day on week days, and about 8hours on weekend, and acounting for say 2/3 weeks of holidays playing 8 hours a day

which is a degen pace but

even doing half that you already reach these numbers in 2 years i guess

[keen dome]

It's about 54,000 hours

[fiery pewter]

Mained DK until MoP then was Monk all the way till end of Shadowlands. Now I recently picked up Rogue

[leaden prairie]

oh nvm its days im stupid

one sec

[keen dome]

Haha

I've completed three undergraduate degrees while playing WoW, so time well spent imo

[leaden prairie]

ok hm

[keen dome]

Haha

[leaden prairie]

Definitely a bit diff

And I play a shit ton

[keen dome]

Just never log off

[leaden prairie]

But I'm employed so that doesn't help

[limber axle]

lucky

[graceful osprey]

During undergrad, I had semesters where I had long breaks in between class. I would always go to the library, find a spot alone and play WoW until my next class

[keen dome]

It would be interesting to split my hours into active play (I.e., some kind of ability usage) versus inactive play (I.e., sitting doing nothing)

[fiery pewter]

Nothing beats being in high school and spending all your free time playing WOTLK.... aside from being social I guess

[keen dome]

Be social in WoW, imo

It's perfectly valid

[wild hornet]

Ahh, old people

[leaden prairie]

During a months or 2 of COVID I played ark survival evolved pvp, and that was litteraly a 24/7 online game

[wild hornet]

Nothing new under the sun

[leaden prairie]

Don't think I ever played that much video game in a such condensed time frame

Good times tho

[graceful osprey]

Covid was prime time for maximum WoW. I was on classic everyday

[fiery pewter]

I still went in to work full time every day during COVID so my free time didn't change at all

[leaden prairie]

skill issue

[fiery pewter]

[wild hornet]

Being younger than the game itself is a skill issue

[leaden prairie]

bro

old ass

[wild hornet]

Oh no I was projecting

[fiery pewter]

Obama presidency born ass

[keen dome]

I think I started playing when I was around 19 or 20? And then.. didn't stop. I'm 35 this year so probably late 19 or early 20. I was on the first year of my first degree at the time which was funny

[wild hornet]

I'm younger than the game

[keen dome]

I'm sad I didn't start playing sooner

Could've gotten that dumb statue

[void ocean]

i was lucky I played like first 10 years on private servers... If I came to retail from the day 1... not sure what would happen 😄

[fiery pewter]

I was 13 when I first started playing for real, maybe 11 or 12 when I had my first character in Vanilla whom I only played like a week of on a forgotten account

In BC

[wild hornet]

My first time touching wow was like at 4/5 due to a sibling putting me on a chair to play it

[swift tinsel]

Lol we had to use an egg timer to dictate how long my siblings and I could spend on the computer until I bought myself a laptop that could barely run it

literal 6fps in org

[wild hornet]

Oh ye I bought a whole PC recently

Having enough fps to interrupt the ovinax worm was too much

First hand experience of naxx raiders with their pcs

[swift tinsel]

I didn't actually build my own until maybe 2019, before that I would Frankenstein an old HP Pavillion I snagged from an old job that was selling them for pennies

[wild hornet]

Valid

Never going back to a laptop however

[fiery pewter]

I grew up watching my brother play Starcraft and my cousin would let me watch him raid MC way back when so i got into Blizzard games super early

[fiery pewter]

In Wrath it was a death sentance to even gaze in the direction of Dalaran lmao

[wild hornet]

Oh yeah don't you just love looking into the ground or the sky

[swift tinsel]

I think it was a 2007 macbook, the thing sounded like a jet engine if I went anywhere with more than 6 other players

also no mouse, so I learned to use the trackpad with both thumbs for moving and mouseover healing

truly cursed gameplay

[fiery pewter]

Bro trackpad healin sounds like ass

[void ocean]

I started playing after all my friends from class started playing and all they talked on recess was wow... after few weeks I was like fine, gimme the CD, asked what do they need, they said "u can play rogue if u want, we dont have that one"... Should've known back then... 😄

[swift tinsel]

I had JKL; bound for spells lol

[wild hornet]

Not that bad

I have shift 0 on a current bind

[swift tinsel]

I think I have my old install discs in my car atm from when I helped my parents move and found it amongst the basement pile of stuff

[fiery pewter]

[swift tinsel]

lol I don't bind any numbers beyond 5

[fiery pewter]

5 is the limit for normal use key binds for me

I use 6 for infrequent things sometimes

But just combinations of alt, shift, and various letter keys around WASD

[wild hornet]

Fair

I despise using Ctrl and alt

So my first bar goes from 1 to shift 9

[fiery pewter]

left CTRL is ALWAYS my push to talk key for Discord

[wild hornet]

-= mounts

[fiery pewter]

Because open mic is an abomination

[swift tinsel]

1-5, QERFG, MB1/2/middle

[wild hornet]

Noice supression has entered the chat

[swift tinsel]

2nd is those but with shift mods

[wild hornet]

You have spells on ur mb1/2?

[fiery pewter]

And people still mess it up somehow

[swift tinsel]

they're thumb buttons, not the actual left/right click

[fiery pewter]

I have a few boomers in my raid group and their open mic ethics are so abysmal lol

[swift tinsel]

usually for ground-targeted aoe

[wild hornet]

Ooh

[swift tinsel]

and depending on the spec I'll have one for @cursor and one for @player

[wild hornet]

I only have my mouse4 bound for interrupts

[swift tinsel]

ah I use E for kicks

[wild hornet]

I use qweasd mb1/2 to move

Depending on the situation

Sprockets forcing me to use mouse button movement too much

[swift tinsel]

I bound AD to strafe and don't use keyturn

heavy mouse-mover

frees up some movement binds for other stuff

[fiery pewter]

I still have WASD bound and only use them when im feeling very lazy, but mostly turn with my mouse. I use W to move forward though with my mouse direction. I still leave Q and E as strafe and Z for my sheath/unsheath lol

[wild hornet]

I still have keyturn cause sometimes my right hand is occupied or I'm just eating while doing something

Or I just get lazy

[fiery pewter]

same

[short radish]

dont need to kill bandit anymore

[keen dome]

Keyturn is comfy

I can spin in a circle

[short radish]

holding down both mouse buttons

is also rather clutch sometimes

like on sprocket belt

because base movespeed is so fast

i can just tap left click

and keep moving forward when needed

frees up the left hand more

[keen dome]

Yeah

[round latch]

big gz

[short radish]

1 dinner saved

dunno what to spend on though

Kezan + jastor + something else

[round latch]

jastor angle

[short radish]

could do the fists from mugzee for outlaw offspec for some wack reason

[round latch]

u should have 1 good trinket to go with,jastor superomegarare

[short radish]

i have heroic kezan

and also heroic pacemaker

[round latch]

u are comfy with pacemaker

[short radish]

yeah

gonna run sim later in the morning when i wake up

[keen dome]

they're a cool looking fist weapon. holding a knuckleduster haha

[short radish]

still a lot of 5min fights so kezan probably worth

since jastor can steal haste

[round latch]

jastor looks big ngl but whatever sims say

[short radish]

yeah

nothing in m+ worth getting i thi8nk

[swift tinsel]

I sometimes do this with my arrow keys lol

I also keep RP walk bound for my beefy warrior to stare down bosses and walk menacingly towards them

[keen dome]

Hell eyah

[formal helm]

there's no way they just timegated corruptions after timegating it once before

what the fuck

[hollow spear]

What's time gated about them?

[formal helm]

can't get greater corruptions

and the tech tree

so you only get 4 points in tech tree rn

and lesser corruptions.

[alpine wraith]

ahahaha

[hollow spear]

How long does it take to get the lesser corruption?

[formal helm]

idfk

but you want greater ones

but what is this fiesta

[hollow spear]

I'm on vacation, so I like that they're time gating

[formal helm]

already bad enough they time gated it compared to the rest of the content in patch

now you timegate it even more?

wth

[fiery pewter]

Timegates on timegates

[brisk onyx]

[keen dome]

Yeah, this was known from the PTR

[hollow spear]

Timegating back in the day was my parents turning off my computer after a while

[alpine wraith]

3 weeks for the greater enchant

iirc

[hollow spear]

Hits different now

[swift tinsel]

gotta farm that engagement

[alpine wraith]

i mean grind mmos that didnt timegate you dont want those

otherwise imagine farming for 2 billion mobs

yes i didnt mistype

strangely enough i did quite enjoy doing those mindless farms

but also idk why timegame something TWICE

likely they are super behind on actual content

they messed up all the localization and other things again

[swift tinsel]

they suddenly need to put together a bandaid sub mini-rework

bc fuu's article caused riots in Irvine

[lilac stag]

already bored with visions. Can’t upgrade shit (time gates)

[alpine wraith]

think they have bigger problems

with releasing things called placeholder2

in places

[hollow spear]

Lol

[swift tinsel]

lmao did they do that again

[hollow spear]

Again?

[alpine wraith]

yes

again

[swift tinsel]

ahahahaha

[lilac stag]

I swear blizzard is run by DOGE

[swift tinsel]

must be really cooking on Plunderstorm rd 3

[alpine wraith]

also some of them are visionsweek2

[swift tinsel]

you're joking

[keen dome]

They're doing some new thing this time!

Also this is quite funny after the article from Ion about them wanting to do better

[lilac stag]

panda pirates this time

[swift tinsel]

one extra 'r' in arrrrrrrr

[swift tinsel]

truly immaculate timing lol

[keen dome]

Some duskwood thing

[lilac stag]

@hollow plinth did they sneak in any tuning?

[alpine wraith]

they did better

messed up better

[swift tinsel]

a hard feat to pull off, but Blizz really went the extra mile

[lilac stag]

Recycled mogs

[alpine wraith]

gotta make other people feel welcome

[swift tinsel]

can you use the bfa cloak

[alpine wraith]

having visionsweek2 in ther talent tree

[lilac stag]

I think that was intentional to show the time gate

It goes away once you can’t get any more upgrades

[keen dome]

Well, nothing we didn't know. Maybe Duos'll be neat. Or incredibly buggy lmao

[hollow plinth]

nop

[lilac stag]

ty

Another week in the shitter

[swift tinsel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106224572811984956/1367129809951395871/9sftfb.gif

[lilac stag]

fuck blizzard

absolute asshats

[keen dome]

Look, it could come out tomrorow. It's the important reset day: EU

(It won't)

[swift tinsel]

would be on brand to skip NA ptr reset day

[lilac stag]

it’s just bfa part 2

[keen dome]

haha

BfA part 2 but we didn't even have a Zul incident

[lilac stag]

They’re going do absolutely nothing but stick their thumbs up their asses. Or an interns ass.

[pliant topaz]

eyoo can i watch

[hollow spear]

Dang scath

You've summoned the gooners

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-13762570480753436158

[swift tinsel]

we got the s2 tier set gutted before it hit live instead

[keen dome]

Damn, true.

So it did technically happen in S1...

[swift tinsel]

a casual 60% nerf to the damage buff

ah technicality

[keen dome]

No I mean in BfA it happened in S1 too

So it's actually accurate. HOWEVER!

[swift tinsel]

Oh yeah

[keen dome]

They didn't then have to nerf a raid boss a week later because of it

So it's not quite as funny

[alpine wraith]

they did destroy mythrax

[haughty mural]

i feel empty inside if i play sin too long in m+

send help

[keen dome]

Play Sub in M+

[haughty mural]

did they snuck in bp buffs in na ?

[keen dome]

You can play a fun minigame of "Is the Ret good or not"

[haughty mural]

[swift tinsel]

pink < purple

[serene notch]

Having so few sub players makes parses look funny, you can have a 90-95% overall but sub 50% for the key level.

[swift tinsel]

key parsing is a wild ride bc you're so dependent on so many things

[serene notch]

Is everyone who does 12s or better just playing out of their minds?

[keen dome]

I have no idea how it works but I just like push buttons

I have no idea how it calculates the parse% for these 12's

[serene notch]

Damage or score?

[keen dome]

I dunno!

[serene notch]

Score is diffent

[keen dome]

Oh, score

Mystery solved

[swift tinsel]

idk if I've ever looked at my m+ parses on wcl lol

[serene notch]

It’s the only joy I have since watching yourself get gapped by ret is sadge

[serene notch]

Look at the key level damage instead you’ll prob see a gap between overall (above) vs key level

[swift tinsel]

my greatest joy while playing is whatever I'm watching on my second monitor

[serene notch]

My overalls look fairly similar

[lilac stag]

Where are my delve parses

[serene notch]

You have to log em dummy

[keen dome]

Haha

[swift tinsel]

going for rank 1 Fungal Folly this season

[lilac stag]

Is that in the game? #noaddons

[serene notch]

With the upcoming.7 patch? 💯

I saw Ian say that to asmongold

[lilac stag]

asmongold for president

[swift tinsel]

now there's a stable genius if I've ever seen one

[lyric patrol]

Thats seems kinda low u can do 4 mil overall with assass bleed spec but dunno what sub is doing these days

[swift tinsel]

sub isn't as much of an overall spec as sin

[warm marlin]

u can def do some decent overall on sub

[open vortex]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warm marlin]

sin/outlaw def do way more though

[hazy breach]

Keep in mind the numbers on logs are lower than ingame

Because details ingame (usually) counts damage in combat, not damage across the entire dungeon with downtime included

[warm marlin]

ye also true

the floodgate i ended over 5M overall on details iirc

[round latch]

🍆

[lethal thorn]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brazen stone]

Can someone link a good build for soloing masked visions

[lilac stag]

Assa Bleed

Shit is dead way too quickly and you want no downtime

awful for sub and cds

[brazen stone]

Is there a certain path i should take? I was playing sin and i just couldnt make it to the end in time. Although i did drink 3 bad potions…

But maybe im wasting time cuz of bad pathing

I thought sub would be nice cuz short cds and u move way faster

[brittle plinth]

The way I approach quick content on sub is you use dance/symbols together, sectech, flag and SB individually

[lilac stag]

run the tea / IF build. Take silence for shrouded suffocation.

Or run the double vanish if you want. Either is fine

[warm marlin]

outlaw just runs through it in perma crackshot oneshotting everything if u can stomach playing it

also infinite movespeed

[solemn lance]

I must have missed the Sub rogue buffs on WowHead

[alpine wraith]

we all did

[vernal hull]

it just looks at how many other subtlety rogues have done that key in what time hence points for IO, if you start doing 15-16s, you'll have all 99s, maybe earlier since no one fuckin plays sub

[keen dome]

Cool to know!

[serene notch]

Sir this is a sub rouge channel

[vale pine]

thats a lot of outlaw in there

[warm depot]

idt ive ever looked at this LOL

but i sure as hell am never playing sub in anything higher than a 14

[serene notch]

Makes you realize how hyperbolic discords and conversations can be, even at all 12’s you are in such a minority of players

Of a already minority subset of specs

[open vortex]

how big of an upgrade is this lessesr corruption enchant this week?

[upbeat cradle]

I didn't know people logged m+ runs

[warm depot]

sometimes you join groups that do

i only do guild runs and they always log

[serene notch]

I have live logs on

[swift tinsel]

only time I do is if I run after raid and forget to turn live logging off

[warm depot]

what a BEAST

i think if i did all 14s on sub

id be liek #1 or 2 on thrall lmfao

[upbeat cradle]

Top 1% of the 100 sub players 😂

[serene notch]

Easily server #1 or 2

[swift tinsel]

lol highest sub on Malfurion isn't even 3k

2946

[warm depot]

when i hit 3k i was already like #6 lmfao then i just stopped pushing

gracious

[swift tinsel]

I stopped after getting 10's for portals, think I still need Priory but idc at this point

might come back end of season just to get it but if I don't, meh

[warm depot]

i need mounts so i got 3k

[swift tinsel]

maybe I go for it

idk

[bleak night]

i wouldve stopped at 10s but i got roped into 12s for crests lmao

[swift tinsel]

still kinda wanna do underpin king

[bleak night]

so now i might as well get 3k since im basically there

[warm depot]

at least underpin is easy as hell for sub

[swift tinsel]

I could ez jump into guild 12's bc they're always running

[serene notch]

I’m #3 on hyjal as a measly 2960

[alpine wraith]

i think i need 60 rating for 3k

[swift tinsel]

I gave it a few goes but the adds kept spawning across the map

[upbeat cradle]

Is it ? How so?

[alpine wraith]

but i cba after farming all crests

[swift tinsel]

and I got annoyed and stopped lol

[upbeat cradle]

Haven't really tried

[alpine wraith]

maybe i do some 13 if im bored

[swift tinsel]

even when kiting him along the wall

[warm depot]

u should have either big or small cds for every shield

so you just chill and shoot bombs at the adds

[swift tinsel]

ye its all bomb/add management

[serene notch]

Hope you have homies pugging this last leg is impossible

[warm depot]

then when cds are up u go crazy

[swift tinsel]

whereas Zekvir was really mechanics-heavy

[warm depot]

zekvir was awful for sub

[swift tinsel]

I did it as arcane lol

[warm depot]

too many adds too often to deal with easily

[alpine wraith]

idk you get a 12 key and +2 then i guess you get apes and deplete

[warm depot]

i did it as sin

[swift tinsel]

which probably wasn't much easier

[alpine wraith]

but one time you will time the 13 i guess

with 680 people cant be that bad

[serene notch]

I mean getting into keys

[alpine wraith]

lul getting into keys i would never do that

[swift tinsel]

running your own > pugging

[alpine wraith]

i do mine

imagine

someone inviting a sub

ahahaha

[serene notch]

lol

[alpine wraith]

when they have liek 30 dks

in que

[serene notch]

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[swift tinsel]

you pick a tank first, then choose whatever you want from the rest

[upbeat cradle]

Happens like once a week. Being invited to a key i mean

[swift tinsel]

bc they fill so fast

[wide kernel]

yo so im not exactly sure how to sim this

[pastel rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[serene notch]

Why you cut me so deep

[alpine wraith]

what sim

i mean you are also not inviting sub

right

if it is your key

or woudl you

[swift tinsel]

nah I want all 3 of them in my key

[alpine wraith]

ehehe

[upbeat cradle]

I mean i don't see any subs applying

[warm depot]

guild runs always for me

[alpine wraith]

we have to do 3 sub keys one day

[swift tinsel]

lol honestly same when I was on alts

[serene notch]

Easy to say yes cause never seen them Lewl

[wide kernel]

so i got myth weapon, , myth gloves in vault today. If i take myth vault i'm crafting crest because mines still heroic, which is better?

[upbeat cradle]

Or I'd invite them for the mental support

[warm depot]

pugging is absolutely awful

[alpine wraith]

i have resilient

[swift tinsel]

ye I try for guild groups if I can help it

[alpine wraith]

we can do some clowning around

[swift tinsel]

bc they all have res 12/13's

[warm depot]

is it replacing mh weapon or no

[alpine wraith]

just need heal and tank to not leave insta

[rough sigil]

All 3 specs is exodia. Ez time.

[alpine wraith]

when they see the trio of yellow

[serene notch]

Yea this week will keep sending my own key to push to 3k only 40 points off

[wide kernel]

it would be 681 MH to 684 myth mh weapon yes

[swift tinsel]

Sin for overall, sub for boss burst, outlaw for steady

[warm depot]

and ya i run with brew + shammy so it rules

[swift tinsel]

resto sham

for obv reasons

ye that's def the play

I've always wanted to make a go at brm

[serene notch]

Everyone should be overgeared by now 13s the new 10s

[warm depot]

u can add upgrade mats in raidbots and upgrade to same ilvl and compare them so theres parity

[swift tinsel]

very fun playstyle

[rough sigil]

While we got all these people in here. Since we do Shadow damage, do we benefit from Arcane intellect/DH buff?

[warm depot]

12s are the new 10s for like 90% of players

[warm depot]

dh yes intellect idts

[wide kernel]

for sure but i'd also have to add crafted 681 chest too

i can do that?

[swift tinsel]

yeah

[wispy bolt]

Pugging 16s is actual hell. How do you get to this level and not know the pulls or mechanics...

[warm depot]

theres an option to add yeah

[swift tinsel]

you can add gear in Top Gear sim

there's a little bar above your gear

can specify ilvl, stats, etc

[warm depot]

@wide kernel

items earch

[swift tinsel]

^^

[warm depot]

just put in the ilvl and stats

[warm depot]

$$$$$$

kekw

[swift tinsel]

otherwise you can go into the more complicated route of adding the item id info in the string

[neon frigate]

Hey guys i have a 776 rogue, but i am completely stuck at 2700 io. I do ok dmg but compared to paladin... damn. What should i do? Go sin or go pala? Especially psf is horror for me

[warm depot]

if u want to push

go sin

[bleak night]

776

[warm depot]

lmfao

[bleak night]

he doesnt have to play sin at 776

[warm depot]

so true

i mean

real answer is dont compare yourself to paladin

know your strengths on sub

[bleak night]

he should be beating paladins with 100 ilvl on them

[swift tinsel]

they literally have the easiest time doing damage of any spec

[alpine wraith]

tricks the paladin so he dies

[warm depot]

they are brain off

[alpine wraith]

then you do more dmg

[wispy bolt]

Go assa, press some bleeds and do 11 mil per pack

[warm depot]

and just get to output more at more times

if you play well thats all that really matters

[swift tinsel]

they legit get 20% of their damage from a fire-and-forget hammer button

imagine

[warm depot]

BANG empyrean hammer

[hazy breach]

Theres probably things you could be doing that would net you more dps but yes, a lot of other classes are gonna do more overall

[warm depot]

BANG empyrean hammer

oh i just did 14m? oopsies

[swift tinsel]

with a single braincell you can get 100% uptime on hammers

falling from the sky

bonking into oblivion

[warm depot]

dumbest shit

[pastel rampart]

u know whats funny

[wide kernel]

what are you getting for parses in priory?

[pastel rampart]

did a 14 for crests and ret had 30% uptime on hammers

:D

i dont know how its even possible

[neon frigate]

I need to check Zorn

[swift tinsel]

lmao that's kinda sad

[alpine wraith]

did his weapon break

midkey

[swift tinsel]

I gave it a shot to see how spammy/bad it felt and you legit drown in holy power

and free storm procs

and divine purpose procs

[pastel rampart]

i tried to find reasons like maybe cat got in the way of the monitor or something but unfortunately none apply

[swift tinsel]

its like the game wants to play for you

it's wild how easy ret is

compared to any other spec in game

[neon frigate]

But it is very dissapointing. Watched so many vids for rotations and rets are blasting. Same goes with bm hunters btw haha

[wide kernel]

ret is like a worse dk sub is more similiar to arcane overall isn't a perfect metric

[swift tinsel]

even with the new spinny hammer uptime minigame on top of falling hammer uptime game

[wide kernel]

the ret is not actually doing damage to knights

[warm depot]

but yeah

just dont compare yourself to other specs

[swift tinsel]

^^

just aim for improvement on your own gameplay and have fun with it, otherwise you can always try a different spec if you think you'll enjoy it more

[wide kernel]

also ret shouldn't be in same comp as sub

[warm depot]

^^

[swift tinsel]

but watch out for the grass-is-greener trap

or the perpetually moving goalpost

[neon frigate]

Moving goal post?

[alpine wraith]

i like arcane and mm

they are not omegasuper easy

but the buttons feel good

[wide kernel]

the thing is, arcane doesnt actually get the group wiped because there's no prio damage

[swift tinsel]

setting an expectation, and then raising it perpetually and never feeling satisfied bc you're always chasing something

Played arcane in s1 and it was super fun, and with current tier set/playstyle is even more fun

[wide kernel]

how do i put elemental focusing lens on sim weapon?

[swift tinsel]

the little plus sign

add embellishment

[neon frigate]

@swift tinsel thats what i do haha. But really wanted 3k io. But i think i cannot do it with sub.. playing beethoven and mozard and dodging mechanics

[swift tinsel]

you definitely can hit 3k, it just might not be as easy

[wide kernel]

there isn't a + option for the weapon?

[fiery pewter]

Id think it would be doable with a dedicated group of friends

[swift tinsel]

at the bottom in your gear

[wide kernel]

yeah its not there lol

its on my other gear

[fiery pewter]

Do you have 2 items with the embelishment?

already equipped

[wide kernel]

yes

[neon frigate]

@fiery pewter yes 2x ret paladin, a protection paladin and healer paladin will do 😀

[wide kernel]

i got 3k io as sub, its fine especcially now with new gear

[swift tinsel]

share screen snip plz

[fiery pewter]

The sim may be smart enough to prevent you from using 3x embelishments if what I understand you said is correct when I asked if you already had 2 items equipped with embelishments

[swift tinsel]

if that's the case the item box turns red and there's a little warning icon

[fiery pewter]

Ah

[swift tinsel]

but it wouldn't disallow the option to add, just won't let you sim

[swift tinsel]

idk what you mean the plus sign is on all of them

[wide kernel]

not on the shadowskean its not

[swift tinsel]

bc it isn't crafted

so you can't

[fiery pewter]

Wait yeah

Its not a crafted item

[swift tinsel]

lol

[alpine wraith]

eeey

[swift tinsel]

gottem

[wide kernel]

can you not put embellishment on non crafted item?

[swift tinsel]

nope

[fiery pewter]

No

[wide kernel]

oh yeah i guess huh

[alpine wraith]

nope

[swift tinsel]

only crafted items

you can enchant non-crafted only

[fiery pewter]

Embelish is only on crafted gear, so just craft like a belt or something

[median nacelle]

does this dmg profile look 'normal'? xD

[swift tinsel]

belt, wrists, boots, etc

any slot you don't have good itemization on

[lilac stag]

Neck

[tepid trellis]

prolly a bit to low BP dmg tbh depending on how you pulled the dungeon

[median nacelle]

tank pulled pack of 3 here n there, so i cringed abit but ya

i find myself bping too little and fucking up cds sometimes

[wide kernel]

no, because there's no warrior and monk

[alpine wraith]

damn pack of 3 in priory

is metal

[median nacelle]

= )

[wide kernel]

what was the overall?

[median nacelle]

i sent a '?' in pchat

overall

[wide kernel]

parse looks fine

[alpine wraith]

hunter was not having a good time either

[median nacelle]

hes my friend 660

but ya

he died abit xD

[fiery pewter]

I definitely do no BP like I should

Then again it was a ToP with weenie pulls so I suppose the target count never went high enough for me to want to

[wide kernel]

well we got 681 chest today is the good news i guess, cringe af to actuall use a haste piece tho

bp target count is 5 if everything has find weakness on it

dealers choice if there is a prio target

[fiery pewter]

I need to work on tracking FW

[wide kernel]

it should be on the nameplates

[fiery pewter]

Well you see, im blind as a bat

[wide kernel]

you can track fazed the same way

its just a comfort thing, i didnt realize i could do it either until the other day

[fiery pewter]

Would be neat for a QoL to just display a small number on the ability icon for Black Powder or something like that. Similar to how Spinning Crane Kick tracks the number unique mobs you hit by displaying a number on the button

[celest root]

hi fellas, im bit undergeared atm is sub good with no gear? or... need scale im doing 2.6 overall going 648 with 1 hand 681 and 1 champion

[alpine wraith]

just get the wa that spams the you round me round round baby round round

when there are 5 FW

[strange chasm]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[haughty mural]

5 ?

[alpine wraith]

yea 5 fw is when you beging going black biggus dickus

[haughty mural]

my sin arc is going too long

my brain was still on 7

[alpine wraith]

garret garret garret

[swift tinsel]

I had a WA that would change icons/border glow based on FW present on nameplates but it was heavy

[fiery pewter]

But you still just Evisc while in Shadow Dance right?

[swift tinsel]

depends on target count

or if you really wanna kill a prio mob

you wanna Strike tho only when in Dance, if that's what you're thinking of

finisher will change based on target/FW count, builder doesn't outside of Storm with 2nd Rotten stack

[hollow spear]

I had one of those too and it was indeed heavy

uninstalled elvui, maybe I got the juice for it now

[swift tinsel]

I just try not to overthink it and its gravy

[haughty mural]

maybe i'll recraft again tomorrow

[limpid sage]

Prob an overall dmg increase to use Evis even on 5+ targets, if the main target has more hp than the remaining ones as well

As you get more time with higher target count + funnel

[twilit phoenix]

i'm just gonna go ahead and say it

I think hachadino is a really cool dude

[swift tinsel]

truly based take

[lilac stag]

Sub is just not good. Once you get HoC, dagger and tier you’ve hit your dps peak

[alpine wraith]

also gotta love even if you are 600 ilvl or 679

you kinda do the same number of finishers etc

[swift tinsel]

man that's kinda depressing to think about lmao

[vestal veldt]

i tried to make sub work for m+ but its just not working out

i get carried every m+

this season is really shit for us, best season was s1 DF change my mind

[alpine wraith]

i mean you dont try to make it work you are just a passenger

but it is not omegauseless just even at its best it is not great

[vestal veldt]

in DF when they had revamp it was at least good on ST

[swift tinsel]

take the wins where your cd's are up and others' aren't lol

[vestal veldt]

my tank pulls half the dungeon on the go xD

[hazy breach]

Just need our numbers to be buffed

[lilac stag]

Just need an actual dev

[serene notch]

Yes if by extension that means addressing bugs.

[tulip gorge]

blizzard made sure sub is not meta in m+

[swift tinsel]

they'll start looking at them again in 12.1

[tulip gorge]

nerfing tier set based on a bugged version then an additional nerf based on prepatch performance

[serene notch]

But gameplay loop is great, I’m still undecided if I liked have shadow dust still. Looking back it offered some higher levels of min maxing

[serene notch]

121.1 fixed it for you

[wicked urchin]

at least its an easy raid tier meaning i don't have to feel that bad playing sub

[alpine wraith]

dust would have been so good on oab mug zee and gally

sad to think about

[ashen dock]

Don’t worry guys we’re saved

They added stamina to the new borrowed power belt

[tulip gorge]

there will be a tuning post this week

trust

[serene notch]

Huge increase in vers, cause seriously who else uses it.

[alpine wraith]

likely the mastery is better

the ramping one

can be a bit more min maxing a bit

but who am i kidding

just crit more in dance

[hazy breach]

Tierset nerfs were very reasonable, its mostly the fact that we didnt get touched in any of the tuning patches thats questionable

[tulip gorge]

ok but still the tier set was bugged the entire duration of the ptr

and they basically nerfed based on that data

[wicked urchin]

very questionable

[hazy breach]

They did not

Like our tier is still fairly good

And it was nerfed by like 60%

[haughty mural]

30% nerf would habe been enough to it

[hazy breach]

They just forgot to look at the numbers on the initial ptr versions

[haughty mural]

dont you think

[hazy breach]

No

[haughty mural]

okay

[hazy breach]

The tier is in a good spot

Overall numbers are just low

[hollow spear]

Our tier set was absolutely busted in comparison to other specs

[lilac stag]

Tier is fine. Put the power back into the spec

Not externals

[haughty mural]

yes it is thats true

[hollow spear]

Our baseline is just very meh rn

[haughty mural]

fair

[lilac stag]

baseline meh
CDR too tight
FW is cancer
Shadow finishers are cancer

[haughty mural]

agreed

[hollow spear]

our high highs low lows theme could be so good without this cdr fiasco

[tulip gorge]

Why is find weakness cancer

[hollow spear]

could actually do mechanics during downtime

now you feel bad moving away because you might int your next flag window

[lilac stag]

Have fun on bosses like locken

It’s also pointless

[haughty mural]

Also makes rotten mandatory for bp situations

[plush roost]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

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