subtlety

[lucid jackal]

U should just play the OP easy one; sin, and then swap to different specs 4fun later if bored

[young path]

@vale pine , great read and hopefully breaks through to the dev team. Just wanted to say thanks!

[sacred yarrow]

it did read exactly as a letter to the devs, like asking "dudes whats going on??"
loved it

[alpine wraith]

dude where is my car?

where the car is sub

and it is just forgotten midway of the movie

to fight with aliens(buff sin)

[sacred yarrow]

and then?

[brittle plinth]

Ya, it did a great historical framing of the problems and wasted concepts. Hopefully someone sees it.

[lucid jackal]

Only issue I have with it is the framing that sub has been bad for an extended period of time

[sacred yarrow]

we gotta pull our own leg when we can

[lucid jackal]

I disagree because how are we suppose to get actual solutions when we are inventing the problems as well

[worldly portal]

where's the article? 😮

[tepid trellis]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/subtlety-rogue-mid-expansion-retrospective-hero-talents-current-issues-and-376832?utm_source=discord-webhook

[worldly portal]

thank you c:

[vestal escarp]

Article out omg

Dumpster fire but cool theme and fun to play

Perfect

Perfect article

10/10

[left ledge]

who is lappland

that comment has to be a troll post

"I find fuu completely missed the point" then proceeds to poorly reword what fuu said in the article with some sprinkles of their hatred for energy for whatever reason

[lucid jackal]

I get those on my article too

The wowhead comments are very unique

[left ledge]

how do they spend that much time writing that up

but not read

[tepid trellis]

tbf id be down to remove energy from sub to add some unique resource

fck it we ball

[lucid jackal]

Yeah maybe make it purple

[tepid trellis]

cant be worse than it is

[warm depot]

yeah

[lucid jackal]

and call it darkness

[warm depot]

void energy

KEKW

[lucid jackal]

(it functions identically)

[left ledge]

and make the combo points purple

and call them void orbs

[sacred yarrow]

fair argument but the spec is on its last legs and nothing is being done to patch it even a bit, not even the usual 5% dmg increase

[left ledge]

[lucid jackal]

yeah I mean idrk why its not getting buffed like every other spec but also like

Its just wrong to say the spec has been weak for muiltiple seasons

This is the weakest the spec has been since BFA

[left ledge]

sub's unique resource should be shadow clones

[lucid jackal]

All of SL it was the best prog spec, I'd say straight up all of DF it was the best prog spec

[tepid trellis]

imagine energy removed, cdr removed and we now have a resource called Darkness, and when you have enough darkness meter you can enter shadow dance

[lucid jackal]

In nerubar, it was the best prog spec

[void ocean]

demo warlocks just with shadow clones

[lucid jackal]

Sub genuinly hasn't been this weak in over 5 years

[left ledge]

i will refrain from letting my imagination run wild with these new ideas for sub rogue

for one simple reason

[void ocean]

Castle Nathria all over

[left ledge]

we will never actually get any of that

[tepid trellis]

it aint ever happening xD

xD

[left ledge]

ill be happy if they just finish the spec

[lucid jackal]

Even the specs getting the most attention aren't getting discord fan fiction

[left ledge]

sub is a spec of doom and desperation in times like these

[tepid trellis]

buff sub by 10%

nerf outlaw by 5

just because

[covert apex]

Substandard rogue

[hazy breach]

10% probably excessive but i wouldnt complain

[tepid trellis]

we would be about ww sims

surely thats okay

[alpine wraith]

meanwhile devoker

simming 3.3m

while i sim 2.5

hmm

[hazy breach]

Max MM log on sprocket is 3.731M and max sub log on sprocket is 2.691M

[alpine wraith]

hmm

tbh mm can omegahighroll but it is still silly

sub can omegahighroll but not in a good way

kekw

gotta love tier set when i see 9m 7.8 m sec tech

1.2 dmg to the nether

wooshg

[keen dome]

sold. ship it

more purple = gooder

they call it gloomblade because we're all.. gloomy.

[lucid jackal]

Yeah remember how well recieved night blade was

[keen dome]

They call it the nightblade because you say goodnight and log off?

[alpine wraith]

because it lasted 10 secs less than rupture

because fuck you

because dmg "scaled" with cp

then decided to just do away with that

and then it was just worse rupture

[keen dome]

I didn't have any critical thought on Nightblade. I'm sure if I had it now I'd have strong opinions

[alpine wraith]

think rupture but it lasts 18 secs

instead of 30+

[worldly portal]

wowhead comments on quests: 😄
wowhead comments on articles and news: 😠

[keen dome]

Yeah I recall the ability during Legion? but I just don't remember having a strong opinion on it haha

[alpine wraith]

you spammed it kinda in bfa because of NV but in legion it was tedious

well the nightold set was so strong

it had to be nerfed

because of +10 secs to nightblade

[keen dome]

Ye I remember that and us wanting to do 2/2 for a while in Tomb, right?

[alpine wraith]

you could 2/2 in antorus

if you had a good enough TF

[keen dome]

Oh yeah, right

[alpine wraith]

skipping tomb set altogether

i was so close i got good TF gloves

but i never procced another on any piece

even saved them

but it was pants it seems not gloves

btw the 4 set was 100%

but got nerfed to 30%

KEKW

[keen dome]

What a time to be a Sub rogue

[lucid jackal]

It was rupture with half the duration and a massive amount of damage amp baked into having it on the target

[alpine wraith]

ah wait i remember you also could get 2 set or 4 set of other things

because tier could also go on cloak etc

so you could go 2/2/2 or 2/4

[dry plank]

This is very good balance after 3 tuning. Team work hard and make everything possible. Now they focus on next season

[worldly portal]

my rogue wishlist:

• bring back DFA for pve
• smoke bomb
• if we vanish in the overworld, have enemies stiill aggroed for a few seconds (like the - enemies are aggroed to an invisible entity so maybe i can still do crackshot on outlaw)
• shadow dance on a toggle 😦 i hate blowing the cds on one mob in the overworld and then now im just sitting awkwardly with a few seconds of SD. Kinda like the DVA defense matrix change they did

[keen dome]

Smoke bomb 🙏

[lucid jackal]

Why do you want DFA back

[worldly portal]

it's the only cool visual spell that rogues have aside from shadowstrike. we have no flips and shit

[lucid jackal]

You are willing to deal with the baggage of actually playing DFA..?

Did u play legion at all?

[void ocean]

u cant even shadowstep properly this season, imagine dfa

could easily end up in narnia

[worldly portal]

yes

[lucid jackal]

And u played legion sub rogue and want to play with DFA again?

With all the clipping thru the floor, the forced movement and everything?

[worldly portal]

yeah at least it had flavor

[lucid jackal]

Interesting

[pastel rampart]

💀

[worldly portal]

i wanna look awesome

also hot take, rogues should have gotten slicing wind instead of monks 😠

but with like an aerial type of move spinning w the blades

[hazy breach]

Ye the movement thing sucks, but having your big hitter feel like a big hitter goes very very hard

Theres better ways they could achieve that

[alpine wraith]

yea having an ability that is 1 hit

[hazy breach]

But DFA is certainly one of them

[alpine wraith]

could revolutionazie

[pastel rampart]

if i saw ur rogue having a seizure halfway underground while rookery 1st boss is phasing only to do the lil spin bc u technically fell off the platform "wow! such an awesome animation" is probably the last thing im thinking

[keen dome]

DFA would 100% kill us in Rookery and that'd be hilarious actually

[pastel rampart]

we just got coup fixed and ppl want dfa back....

[keen dome]

Bring it back

[worldly portal]

i would want it likw the thief death blossom in gw2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHcNZUOAnb8

[half remnant]

Hey @hazy breach I can't get my head out of that tfd bug. You mentioned that is possible to proc it on dummy. What success rate do you have on dummy, cause I've understood that is not consistent to proc.

[hazy breach]

Extremely low

[half remnant]

I've been fooling around on dummy and I've been pretty consistent with retaining buff, but I might be doing something wrong here.

[vale pine]

haha, i love how we as rogues try to abuse bugs as much as posisble

*possible

[half remnant]

[worldly portal]

imagine jumpin in the hole LOL

[keen dome]

I'm good at falling down holes

[worldly portal]

but yeah i feel like rogues need way cooler animations

[limpid sage]

how much dmg do we gain from hot sauce?

[worldly portal]

it'd be awkward on taurens but eh fuck em

[keen dome]

not much. neligable

[limpid sage]

sub 1%?

[keen dome]

Probably less than 0.5% in a 6+ minute fight

[lucid jackal]

Ew

I mean wow is a game of, broadly speaking, not flashy animations. Especially for melee dps. Its by design low key

I don't want anime shit in my wow

[worldly portal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umAgdVTBae0

idk

if rogues can do flips here

i wanna see it in the game

i wanna be nimble as fuck

also monks and demon hunters and night elves do flips

even the female undead special animation from classic had front flips (and still has)

[vale pine]

the animation of nexus princess looked rly good and ended up not that excessively flashy

[lucid jackal]

Doing a front flip =/= doing a jump over 4x your current height

[keen dome]

I would like Ky'veza animations 'cos they fit the theeming of Sub imo

but I agree that GW2'-esque stuff is just too over the top

And on Ky'veza it's mostly the after images and shadowy stylings

[worldly portal]

this is roughly 2x the height, not 4x though

which is fine

[worldly portal]

fuck yeah

[worn ivy]

1 more weewk

no sub buffs = quitting wow

for sure

[vale pine]

it is between patches, so no big deal

[alpine wraith]

dont worry surely with belt and corruptions

we manage to get even more behind aug

then they buff us

unless frost mage ints more than us again

[round latch]

give SD some shadowmists while at it plz

also give sub an avatar button

[lucid jackal]

Does avatar even do anything?

Doesn't it just make u big

[round latch]

in my head could do alot but its all in there

been yapping for it

[lucid jackal]

What

[vestal escarp]

Sub in my head is the best spec in the game

[alpine wraith]

avatar also makes you grey

[round latch]

imagine D3 monk's ascendance + desert armor=>increase dmg and resistances/defenses(monk becomes totally black,make that shadowy for sub,give some buffs,its supposed to be an avatar button)

would be so f@kin amazing

[lucid jackal]

Symbols makes u purple wdym

Or is it dance

[round latch]

..

i think of it

something like sylvanas in saurfang cinematic

or like

how is firemage when u press bust

[vestal escarp]

Dance makes you glow purple

[round latch]

glow 💀

[vestal escarp]

Sod give you black smoke aura

[round latch]

never noticed that

or not enough to satisfy me

[vestal escarp]

It's whatever

[limpid sage]

can echoing reprimand stack?

[round latch]

wdym stack

how would u stack er

[vestal escarp]

Sod is supposed to be ninja sigils or some stuff like that

With being an off global ability as in setup

[round latch]

we could be so much cooler

[chrome palm]

They should make Danse Macabre start at 5 stacks, reduced for every unique attack used in dance, so that you are rewarded for utilizing shadow craft well

[vestal escarp]

Blizz doesnt like giga instant burst bro

It's either short ramp or setup

[chrome palm]

Cucked by pvpers yet again

[vale pine]

i assume you mean supercharger

if so

it acts like combo points

so you can use symbols to store up to 7 charges

but this isn't useful, only the first 2 anima charged points stay active if you pull a boss

so you can't do more than the one symbols use to get extra benefits

[limpid sage]

like if you use 2x supercharged finisher, does it override the first echoing reprimand?

if you don't backstab in between

[alpine wraith]

dont use that one lad

[limpid sage]

I'm not

but I don't understand why it's worse than Forced Induction

on ST at least

[round latch]

no it doesnt

if that was a thing in pvp we would onetap bears

[limpid sage]

what

no but does it give you 2 stacks for you to consume on 2 different backstabs?

[round latch]

u can test that

im not exactly sure but doubt it

[limpid sage]

will report my findings after raid

nope it just overrides it

so you lose the stack

[brittle plinth]

I want to get a damage boost if I yell out my moves

[restive onyx]

@brittle plinth finally, someone is making some sense around here

[sturdy cliff]

great article fuu

[vale pine]

thanks

[wide kernel]

hopefully it gets something done for us :/

being behind aug is like a war crime or something

[lilac stag]

25% buff to BP inc

https://www.darklegacycomics.com/947

Very sneaky dark legacy. Very sneaky.

[alpine wraith]

ahaha

[median nacelle]

!symbols

[alpine wraith]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[vale pine]

nice

[lilac stag]

I wasn’t sure if it would embed or not. Worth sharing though.

[sly shore]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[alpine wraith]

never lose hope

they can still buff tanks to be ahead of us

[high flint]

my friends definitely hate subtlety

and hate me every time i try play it too

💀

[bleak night]

[worthy relic]

Tell them its because u dont have shaman buff

[alpine wraith]

well something is not right if they are doing double

maybe trolling with pulling and other things

[lucid jackal]

Sub is not that weak LOL

[high flint]

nah that guy defintiely was trolling

i went to get lunch so they ran one without me

that was hilarious

good thing i didnt join

LOL

[short radish]

im so cooked

i actuall dreamed that we got buffs

all ability damage increased by 3%

sectech buffed 20%

tfd timer brought to 2 seconds

put me back to sleep

[alpine wraith]

tbh if they put tfd reset on vanish

wonder if that would be enough

[plush roost]

Sure it would be right?

[short radish]

it would feel a lot nice thats for sure

[plush roost]

Tfd already beats weaponmaster till 4:30

So its tfd every 2 mins

Seems kinda good

[fiery pewter]

I just want them to buff Black Powder enough so that we use it over Eviscerate in single target

[short radish]

wait reeally its better than wm till 430?

[plush roost]

Yerr

[short radish]

i swear it wasnt after 2.5 when i ran sims

[alpine wraith]

tfd beats wm forever for me kinda

even at 6 mins

[plush roost]

Idk it varies but eleem was saying 4:30 is the average

And eleem is law down in these parts

Yeehaw

[alpine wraith]

depends on gear

the more mastery you have the better it is kinda

[rigid pasture]

hey i just returned to the game,can someone explain why we dont use sectech with coldblood on our first in opener anymore?

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-do-it-evil-kermit-hood-gif-16437143

[hazy breach]

The second one does more damage

More flawless form stacks

[rigid pasture]

oh i see tyvm

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/he-wont-candace-cameron-bure-dj-tanner-fuller-fuller-house-nope-gif-17590226

[pliant topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-solo-star-wars-no-youre-still-holding-on-gif-15974673

[tribal blade]

geez calm down

[twilit phoenix]

Fuu’s sub writeup is really good

[pastel rampart]

LOL

[tribal blade]

can someone TL;DR me how to quickly get corruptions on reset

i looked at the corruption mega post on wowhead and my brain immediately turned off

[short radish]

did you play bfa?

holy fuck

that article is massive

[round latch]

yes it is

its also silly

in a way that u get to do visions

😛

u get some currency(mementos) and when u finish objectives like chests u pay some of it(like 500 or 1k iirc) and buy them enchants

its a quest

[worn ivy]

can i see articles

link someone

[brittle plinth]

So basically

Do content get currency buy chant

[round latch]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-5-corruption-enchants-revisited-post-buff-better-but-still-a-clear-376355

u can vulture here and there,many links from visions as well

dunno if u need them though,we done it a million times

[short radish]

pretty sure it's just

tl;dr

run corruptions over and over

run as many masks as you can

[wild hornet]

Does feint reduce the damage of rockets or it doesn't count as aoe damage?

[short radish]

which rockets

there are a lot of rockets in the game

[wild hornet]

Oh yeah

Sprocket

[short radish]

no

[wild hornet]

Huh, I've heard that these rockets can be mitigated w feint

[short radish]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r4YOR40qsN069sHZz2QdcZjuyXH6FPu3aUY1ONiDbko/edit?gid=0#gid=0

this sheet says no

duno

press feint

check logs

see wha thappens

either way they dont kill you

even if you soak it

so its kinda whatever

[wild hornet]

Yeah my idea was to talent out of CD to get more Dr on feint

So I can take more rockets

[lucid jackal]

U could but idk

U can kinda tank em fine I feel

[wide kernel]

for the gilded augmentation matrix it says it requires a spark

that isn't correct is it?

oh im not looking at the recraft option

[worn ivy]

Do we go greater void ritual is that 100% confirmed?

[upbeat cradle]

Fuu says otherwise on wowhead

[alpine wraith]

void ritual if there is more than 1 target

so yea kinda

[wide kernel]

ok so

ive found something with TFD in keys

so the rules for 'out of combat' are very weird

TFD resetting or not seems to have something to do with DISTANCE of someone in or out of combat, i tried this throughout this last key i did. Even with my team engaged in combat i could sit a little bit away from the group and it did not break tfd timer

like its very consistent

[short radish]

yeah

my also says something about LoS

[wide kernel]

its not feelcrafty tho

this was the entire dungeon no issues as long as i could stealth, never lost tfd

like for example: you can NOT be engaged in combat but 3 meters from the target and you will lose TFD counting down

[worn ivy]

does CB works with evis / coupe ?

[wide kernel]

and your team can be engaged in combat but if you're 15-20m away, TFD is fine

[short radish]

oh yeah im not disagreeing with you

im just also saying i think i've had LoS stuff also count towards that

noticed it in cinderbrew

but i havent paid as much attention to it

i mainly just do the distance th ing

[wide kernel]

well this means TFD isn't some thing you dont have agency over

[short radish]

well

you still n eed to stealth

and also wait for the timer to start

[wide kernel]

largely* ig

[short radish]

and also be able to restealth far enough away

[wide kernel]

nah, as soon as you stealth, just sit away from the mobs timer doesnt matter

the real calculation is do you lose dps by not sitting on the mob for 2-4 seconds or do you gain dps from doing it

for example, if you are waiting to engage the 1st boss rookery/PSF/ETC while your team is running to the boss and engaging it, just chill a little bit away until timer finishes and SS in will work 100% of the time afaik

[short radish]

bosses is different

[wide kernel]

idk if you can press vanish during a boss encounter, go sit 15 meters away if that will also work

in theory it should

[short radish]

i think boss range you need to be further

but also depends on the boss

[wide kernel]

but thats really nice, TFD is no longer some unknown random ass thing

[worn ivy]

Check those 2 clips how i do for TFD https://clips.twitch.tv/create/LittleCuriousNewtRlyTho-YTTteGHDlL9kT5m2
https://www.twitch.tv/lashga/clip/DoubtfulNurturingStrawberryRitzMitz-Mz-i49l52Cc7hLmj

[wide kernel]

i think you can actually get closer

[worn ivy]

https://www.twitch.tv/lashga/clip/LittleCuriousNewtRlyTho-YTTteGHDlL9kT5m2?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

[wide kernel]

its not very far at all you have to go

can we get this put in the guide or something

everyone seems to know already and i would have liked to have known ages ago 😦

[haughty mural]

Sounds like you are defending tfds behavior with some gimmicky stuff that should not be mandatory to play around

[wide kernel]

well

[haughty mural]

But yea also experienced a lot of those

[wide kernel]

im just pretty happy i can have some consistency with it more than anything

[haughty mural]

Same

[short radish]

its still shit

and needs to just be "whenever restealthed"

[wide kernel]

but also, its kind of on theme to disappear, be out of combat and etc then reappear with benefits

[worn ivy]

the problem is with TFD on high keys u need to feint during dance and than u dont have energy to spam SS

thats why i tell u dont believe everything you see in sims

does not reflect the real stuations

[wide kernel]

i would be happy with either a buff to TFD dps, or making it on stealth

on stealth seems kinda weird though

[haughty mural]

Wdym TFD dps buff ?

[wide kernel]

like it giving 4 seconds of a DPS increase directly

blah blah when you consume TFD gain +30% for 4 seconds

[worn ivy]

again u guys not listennig 😄 TFD is the best out of what u can get right now

but again it does not fix the issue where u need to feint

[alpine wraith]

even if you are not far away as long as you dont get hit it is fine most of the time

[worn ivy]

during dance

[alpine wraith]

but also it is kinda a hateful talent

[worn ivy]

im considering play with with planned execution

[wide kernel]

i think its about 15-20 meters away at most

[worn ivy]

playing tea

[wide kernel]

i dont think tea is good

[alpine wraith]

as long as you have fun

sub dmg will be mid anyway

[haughty mural]

Just reroll WW

[wide kernel]

i want tea to be good because it makes non burst windows not feel like garbage but its ehhhhh

[alpine wraith]

ww are not that great either in m+

[haughty mural]

[alpine wraith]

you can try arcane

it is sub but better and ranged

and has a buff

and bl

[haughty mural]

Yea crazy how good arcane is again

After they buffed them 2 weeks in a row

[alpine wraith]

it only needed that little 4% but it was already outstanding in big D funnel

tbh sub would need a 4% then it would be mid but still if you check actual performance

for ex in sprocket it is kinda silly

top MM almost 3.7m

top sub 2.69

hmm

maybe it changed from yday let me check

so almost 1 mil diff

[haughty mural]

Wasn’t only the 4% though, wasn’t it ?

Wasn’t it 4% on top of the first buff ?

[wide kernel]

sub needs more damage outside of flag/blades and a general buff

[fringe palm]

Rogue rework in 11.2

[wide kernel]

i like stealthies idea of loading more of subs kit into dance itself

also, am i ever replacing circes circlet in m+?

[haughty mural]

Dont need a rework

[fringe palm]

Yes it does, have you looked at the class tree

You can double the value of half the points and it's still garbage

[wide kernel]

we basically have 1.2 builds for all of the game

i agree they need to buff a lot of talents.

[ashen dock]

"Backstabs damage increased by 5%"

[haughty mural]

Working on some talents is not a rework though

Talent overhaul

[alpine wraith]

yea class plays fine it just has demonic talents and useless parts that could die

and no one would bat an eye

like FW-shadowed finishers

[fringe palm]

Well it needs work on most of the class tree and imo sub also needs big changes

[alpine wraith]

and all the multi hit nonsense

[void hound]

what do you think needs to be changed about sub?

[alpine wraith]

or sec tech

[fringe palm]

2% conditional leech is an actual talent we spend points on

[void hound]

hopefully not damage outside cds xd

[haughty mural]

His name checks

[wide kernel]

am i ever replacing circes circlet in keys? it seems to give around 8.7k stats + whatever fathomdwellers does

[fringe palm]

I'd like to have dance with every sectec and 2x in CDs. Idk if that's that controversial

[haughty mural]

Massive rework

[fringe palm]

I'd also change other things but let's not be unrealistic here

[keen dome]

I swapped to a 681 crafted ring x2 as they simmed better

[void hound]

cooldowns that make more sense, thats a sensible change

[fringe palm]

It's going to be 2 lines of pathnotes

[keen dome]

So basically just sim yourself and see what beats it

[wide kernel]

it cant be better though right?

8.7k stat

[keen dome]

Well the crafted simmed as better

[void hound]

i do enjoy the way cooldowns work right now but its objectively kinda bad

[wide kernel]

sim can be wrong though yes

[keen dome]

By about 20k. So I mean, sim yourself and see

[haughty mural]

I mean one of those 2 things you stated we already have

Or do you not dance 2x in cds ?

[fringe palm]

You have 2x dance if you play 1-2 sectecs without it

[alpine wraith]

if you want it is bis for me kinda

but iirc depending on gear a crafted 681 + jastor can beat it

not for me tho

[wide kernel]

it just seems odd it would be better with all the raw stat it gives, so figured its worth asking

having 658 ilvl abomination hurts my eyes

[alpine wraith]

it can be

the more mastery you have and mastery procs the better it gets

[vale pine]

🐙__** Corruption:**__

Visions return and with them Corruption, you buy Corruption enchantments with the currency earned from Visions. The enchantment is for the Head slot.

The overall best enchantment is Echoing Void.
The damage gain from using corruption is roughly 2% dps.

Update Echoing Void rppm seems to be lower than in spell data, we need to wait for more data but potentially sims too high. A good alternative with a low amount of chances to bug out is Void Ritual, wounds is also a solid enchant but only does damage to a single target.

🤖 Simulations:
> Single Target < | > Five Target < | > Eight Target < | > Dungeon Slice <

[haughty mural]

corruptions pin

[vale pine]

everyone will get corrupted soon™️

[cloud rover]

Do we know, how fast we can get it?

[vale pine]

you can look at simulations yourself, they are pinned (now)

[cloud rover]

Is it like an Hour thing?

[vale pine]

you can now run visions infinitely

so no more farming of currency to start them

i hope at least, because thats how it worked on ptr

[cloud rover]

Ye, but di someone test it on PTR

how long it takes to buy one greater

[vale pine]

essentially, you should be able to farm currency fairl fast

*fairly

i don't know if they keep the ptr numbers, so no idea how fast but i assume a few hours

[keen dome]

I'm excited for visions

They were fun content and it's another thing to work on and do stuff in

I'm excited goinginto them at 682 ilevel lmao

[vale pine]

its 1:1 from bfa

but you have new masks

[keen dome]

hell yeah

Yeah

Also some new rares and stuff

[vale pine]

and a new talent tree, so they should be overall slightly easier

[keen dome]

Nice

That's good

I have extremely fond memories of doing them with my BDK buddy in BfA. we'd login early on reset and full mask them together

[vale pine]

the most annoying thing was to grind currency to run them

[keen dome]

Yeah, it was

[vale pine]

if that stays like it was on ptr

its a huge qol

[keen dome]

Having currency to run stuff is dumb as heck and I'm glad we've been moving away from it in most things

It just adds a middle step

[vale pine]

mask runs are iirc still limited

[keen dome]

Makes sense

[vale pine]

but you get hero? or so gear

[keen dome]

Yeah, hero

[vale pine]

if you do 5 masks

which is rly good

but also 5 masks ended up very hard on ptr

so unsure

[keen dome]

I wanna say you get a load of runed from it too?

[vale pine]

people with mythic equipment also seemed to struggle a bit

[keen dome]

So it'll be good for heroic-level raiders (although most of them won't touch it and we cycle back to another issue but c'est la vie)

[vale pine]

rly depends on how difficult it is

[keen dome]

Yeah

[vale pine]

i have the fear it will be too hard for people who benefit from heroic gear

[keen dome]

Same. Or the currency from it for upgrading gear. Which then defeats it's purpose to some extent and it becomes a "who is this content aimed at?"

But that's an issue in WoW in general a lot of the time. I'm in / raid with a very casual heroic guild and something I notice is most of them just raid log. Most of them are still around 650~ iLevel

[vale pine]

ye i mean the token system has the same problem

[keen dome]

650 - 660

This was half the group from last night:

A lot of them won't touch content outside of heroic. They don't do T11 delves or M+. So they end up very limited in gear progression once they hit 4/8H

It's an interesting situation with how gilded impacts more casual enviroments so heavily

[short radish]

4/8 heroic??????

[lilac stag]

It doesn’t impact them if they’re only doing that content

[keen dome]

yes heroic gear has 8 steps now

[lilac stag]

If it’s a guild that is

[keen dome]

Yes it does because Heroic gear has 8 steps now. If you only raid Heroic, you are realistically only going to see it to 4/8 because of the gilded / runed issue.

If you raid normal / Myth you can take your gear to cap but Heroic is still in this dumb middleground

[short radish]

oh right heroic gear

not 4/8 heroic raid

[keen dome]

Yeah

[lilac stag]

You see gilded crests at the end two

[keen dome]

Yes, 30 a week if you are killing them

[lilac stag]

You’re also not doing content you need the ilvl.

[keen dome]

So?

[lilac stag]

Short of getting a lfg invite

[keen dome]

Like if you wanna make that argument you can say that you don't need the iLevel in Mythic

[lilac stag]

You have chosen to sit in that lane

If you’re not doing any content

[keen dome]

I feel like if you raid Heroic, you should be able to upgrade the gear it drops to cap. Like, that should just be how it works?

[vagrant sinew]

you can?

[keen dome]

Which, yes, eventually you can

[short radish]

cannot unless you full clear

[keen dome]

But at 2 upgrades a week if you are clearing it

[vagrant sinew]

you can literally get to 680 with only delves

ONLY delves

[keen dome]

Which if you want to do the math on how long it takes

[lilac stag]

you can. Just not as fast as someone doing ALL FORMS OF CONTENT

[keen dome]

It goes back to how Hero should have more runed steps.

[lilac stag]

If I only recleared 4/8 mythic bosses, my upgrade progression is limited

[vagrant sinew]

being 650 3months into the patch barely qualifies as casual, its just simply not playing the game

[keen dome]

I don't really disagree, yeah

[lilac stag]

^

[keen dome]

But I do think it demonstrates a problem with the Hero tier of gear explictly and how it shouldn't require as many gilded as it does.

[lilac stag]

That’s a made up issue just to rage

Play the damn game

[keen dome]

No it isn't

I didn't just make it up, lmao

[short radish]

i think it was fine beforehand

[slate marlin]

you can get infinite crests doing +7s...

[short radish]

when it only needed 2 upgrades of gilded

[keen dome]

Yeah, it wasn't as extreme. The turbo boost just made the gap worse.

But I still think it shouldn't require gilded to cap a Hero piece

[short radish]

the thing is though right

nothing has changed for them

they have not grown any weaker

if they dont want to do the content

that's up to them

[keen dome]

Yeah, absolutely

[vagrant sinew]

but like even if you dont do delves or dont do last 2 on heroic

[lilac stag]

You are purposefully not going into +7 or doing 3 delves and complaining about ilvl? Fuck right off. Upgrade with your 30 crests a week and enjoy playing the game for less than 2 hours a week.

[vagrant sinew]

you can still craft 658 to unlock uptrading crests

[keen dome]

???

[lilac stag]

What don’t you understand

[keen dome]

I don't think you understand what I'm talking about

[lilac stag]

Those players are deciding stay in that lane on purpose

[short radish]

i dont think anyone does

i half understand

[lilac stag]

There’s zero impact on them if that’s their choice

The ilvl means nothing

If they cared about prog, you are going to do more than that content

[keen dome]

My point is that Heroic, esp in Turbo Boost, continues to be less rewarding than it should be. Espescially with the additional gilded cap. People like to progress their gear as it's a core part of the game (even if it is ultimately a means to an end) and if you only raid heroic which a majority of people playing the game do you end up in this strange situation where you are expected to be doing harder, higher content to cap your gear.

[lilac stag]

pve has always required more than the raid you’re in

[keen dome]

Which isn't true in either Normal or Mythic difficulties. Which is a strange dynamic, in my opinion.

[lilac stag]

Normal got no upgrades

Mythic requires you to do content you’re already doing OUTSIDE of raid

[short radish]

if they only heroic raid, they clearly dont like progressing their gear that much

[lilac stag]

You literally cant max mythic upgrades only from raid

It’s no different

[vale pine]

all gear on heroic and mythic track got extra upgrades this patch and there is no crest cap anymore

[keen dome]

I mean, you have more access Gilded but that's actually a good point, Scath. I agree, you can't and there is absolutely more of an expectation there to be doing stuff elsewhere

[short radish]

dont need to tell me that!

tell that to gesalts guildies

[vale pine]

haha

[keen dome]

I think a lot of people would be surprised that this is absolutely the norm in the game and how a lot of people play it.

[vagrant sinew]

delve gearing is actually just on crank

[keen dome]

Most people in here are pretty far outside that norm

[keen dome]

Yeah it's great

[vagrant sinew]

even without turbo spamming them for crest uptrades

just doing 3 11s a week with bounty is already so much stuff

[keen dome]

Yep, it's super efficent

[vale pine]

how do people gear in delves

just spam 11s and exchange crests?

[lilac stag]

You get 41 gilded a week

[vale pine]

ye

[keen dome]

Doing the 3 gilded a week is that, yeah. And a hero peice

[vagrant sinew]

yeah my char can farm 15hc crests in 6min in undermine delve

[vale pine]

but 41 is not much with how much upgrades cost

[keen dome]

It's a bit more than 41 if you can upgrade 'cos you get 15? runed per so you can add another 15 gilded

[short radish]

im both surprised and also need to be reminded that only 20% of characters get aotc

[keen dome]

Right? It's really interesting imo

[short radish]

like i know these people exist

[vagrant sinew]

even with only doing the 3 11s with bounty you can craft mythic ilvl pieces with same rate as you get sparks

[short radish]

and i know they are the majority

[leaden prairie]

41?

[short radish]

but i also refuse to believe they are teh majority

[leaden prairie]

how

[keen dome]

Map now gives 20 gilded

[vagrant sinew]

they buffed it this week

[keen dome]

7 * 3 for the chests

[leaden prairie]

isnt it 3x7

[vagrant sinew]

yes and map is 20

[keen dome]

• 20 for the map

[leaden prairie]

ah sure ye the map

forgot

[keen dome]

And then +15 for the runed -> gilded if you do that too

Because you can get 45 runed for 3 T11 bountifuls

[lilac stag]

Literally ran heroic for that

So stuck doing even more content for my mythic track gear.

[keen dome]

Like, it is extremely easy (if time consuming) to grind gear up and progress it. I am not in any disagreement there. And if these people wanted they could gear. But I think the dynamic is interesting if we look at Heroic from their perspective. Because if it's your primary goal in the game it's.. in this really weird spot. And yeah, 20%~ of people getting AotC

[lilac stag]

cause I can’t fucking stomach another m+ this week

[keen dome]

It'd be really cool to see the iLevel spread and like, a heat map of averages or something

[short radish]

no you have picked the spot of defending the andies and you will stand by it

[lilac stag]

Absolute shitters

Since patch

[keen dome]

I've seen some absolute terroirsm in 10's this week

And some incredible decisions in some 12's

[vagrant sinew]

yes because of the rescale the skill levels you can meet there varies by insane margins

[keen dome]

Yeah

We had a priest in a +12 rookery who never once pushed barrier. Not once.

[vagrant sinew]

like were 680 now, people were doing 12s without huge issues at 660

[lilac stag]

You can duo the 2nd and last workshop bosses with a bdk on a 12 as a rogue if you were wondering.

[keen dome]

I was not, but that's really good to know lmao

[lilac stag]

Don’t ask me how I know this

[keen dome]

I have seen a lot of ranged and healers die to the final Mechagon magnetic arm

They really love to die to that mechanic

[lilac stag]

how did you guys hit 2900 io

[keen dome]

Man I saw a 3.2k healer die to it

[lilac stag]

mistakes gonna happen

[short radish]

honestly

[lilac stag]

Not every gdamn pact

[keen dome]

He was not good the whole run

[short radish]

that happens to the best of us

same way DHs also die to the hunt on that boss

[keen dome]

true

I did a ML 12 where we had a Shaman who died 14 times

That was impressive

[vagrant sinew]

didnt repair at some point or ...

[keen dome]

bad

[vagrant sinew]

how do you even die 14 times unless youre turbo undergeared and straight up trying to die

[keen dome]

I'm embarassed when I die once in a key

[vagrant sinew]

theres not even that many spots in the whole dungeon to die that many times

I guess you can easily get multiple in on last boss

[keen dome]

Yeah

I wonder what, if we looked at the whole population, the average iLevel breakpoints are for keys done right now.

[limpid sage]

Wait is twilight devastation a ST corruption now?

[ashen dock]

12's are the new 10s

[alpine wraith]

twitlight is super neutered

[limpid sage]

With the added effect of pulling half the dungeon every once in a while

[keen dome]

Bring back real TD

[ashen dock]

hot take: Goremaw's bite should have a chance to trigger on spenders, thoughts?

[keen dome]

Like, making it a passive?

[left ledge]

goremaw should be deleted

sad excuse of a capstone

[ashen dock]

yeh exactly that then redesign the capstone

[keen dome]

That'd be interesting. Would probably need to only be one free finisher instead of three? But that'd be a fun idea

[hidden spade]

if im human - on rik can i pop cds on pull and racial the first amplification stun or will the hit one-shot me?

[short radish]

it shouldnt

im 98% sure it doesnt

the 2% is because i forget if i pressed feint beforehand

but you also have cheat death

[remote shuttle]

Does this work also on tank pulling a boss? Lot of time i have TFD buff coming in like 1 or 2 seconds and as the tank pulls it starts back the 5s cd

[hidden spade]

ahh yeah thats true, ty ill try it and see what happens haha

[remote shuttle]

I just need to keep more distance from tank and boss?

[short radish]

just looked at my log, 4.5mill damage taken with no feint buff

[wide kernel]

i need to go and test it again, but i did this for the entirety of rookery, including last boss

[fringe palm]

Some bosses put you in combat no matter where you are

[short radish]

it doesnt always work

on bosses

[fringe palm]

Some trashmobs aswell

[hidden spade]

awesome ty!

[remote shuttle]

800 crit and 800 haste so u can count like 7k on vers mast... Craft is like 4k 4k (8k>7k)

Also 2x gems

[wide kernel]

crit/vers/mast should all have the same value stat weight wise

they are all worth like 22 if you use the gear the people at the top are

[remote shuttle]

Oh ok, thanks for testing bud

[remote shuttle]

Will try too to go far before tank pulls and check what happens

[remote shuttle]

I'm not sure about this, can result that 800haste+800crit weights less than 500vers+500 mastery

[wide kernel]

28,800 vs 22,200 i'm not sure where you are getting those to be different

are the stat weights just wrong flat out?

[short radish]

stat weights are a meme

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[keen dome]

The only stat weight that matters is speed and I have a simple formula for it

Speed = good

[short radish]

based

all my enchants are speed enchants

[keen dome]

More speed = gooder

[short radish]

i dont have speed on any of this seasons gear 😦

this was with my old speed set though from s1

[keen dome]

I had 15% for a while, as my Normal HoC rolled Speed which was amazing. But alas, I had to swap it off.

[keen dome]

rules

[round latch]

nice

[short radish]

with shroud up

[round latch]

thats an rbg rogue right there

[short radish]

[vale pine]

they also call yo sonic

[haughty rose]

yo do you guys keep flag/blades generally on CD no matter if you start a boss fight without them in m+ or do you safe them?

[slate marlin]

generaly on cd

but depends on the situation, yoy have to make that decision yourself

[short radish]

@tribal blade

[keen dome]

This is really good info

[void ocean]

is that 11.1.7 or still not

[alpine wraith]

that is next reset

11.1.7 is later in june

[void ocean]

oh

ok, tnx...

kinda lost the track after all the shit we gettin

[tribal blade]

yo ty!

thankfully even though i quit during bfa, i've done visions enough to have a good understanding of the exact layout of both maps

[short radish]

i've bascially forgotten everything about visions

i barely did them in bfa

came back right at the end

also dont need to farm crystals

just clear quick or something

[alpine wraith]

yea speed run masks

get loot

also the annoying as f debuffs a

[tribal blade]

orgrimmar is less annoying because the map is more linear

stormwind becomes a bit of a maze in some parts

i always get lost in the part with the mage tower

[alpine wraith]

im getting flashbacks

[lilac stag]

Not excited at all for this.

more recycled shit

[fallow nimbus]

The corruption shit should have been enchant recipes for crafting

[keen dome]

Would've been neat

Or they should've gone WHOLE HOG and made it 1:1 to BfA

for comedy reasons

[tepid trellis]

it would feel absolutely horrible when they then turned them off going into 11.2

[haughty mural]

Im really not excited this is coming back

[void ocean]

I remember in bfa, my gear was far away from endgame, mediocre at best so i had issues with dps... couldnt do 5 mask SW

hopefully now its gonna be easier

[keen dome]

that's a good point but I still think it would be funny

[lilac stag]

WHERE IS OUR NEW CRAFTING ITEMS ~ wow crafter gen pop

[keen dome]

Put the CRAFT back in WarCRAFT

[lilac stag]

Best I can offer is alt army for concentration

[keen dome]

High5 alt army

They have no purpose except making enchants via concentration

[trail verge]

Upcoming

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-punch-beat-down-punch-your-lights-out-gif-3444573264647716934

Family guy 2

[lilac stag]

You lost?

[alpine wraith]

happens

[trail verge]

https://tenor.com/view/natsu-gildarts-fairy-tail-happy-gif-14114736

Bad Fairies

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-ship-arr-pirate-dance-pirate-dance-gif-12107966

Outlaw Channel

[trail verge]

https://tenor.com/view/energy-laser-metal-sonic-robot-sonic-the-hedgehog-gif-12420326617447357148

Sonic 4

[dreamy badger]

i wish

https://tenor.com/view/rage-frog-puppet-perform-hyper-gif-16477557

its more like this

[lilac stag]

when it gets to this point hey show up in here

[trail verge]

https://tenor.com/view/maggie-rhee-maggie-maggie-greene-twd-the-walking-dead-gif-25086062

Walking dead 10

[tepid raven]

!mute @trail verge idk what you are doing but just spamming gifs isn’t really adding anything

[limpid sage]

ST bosses infinite stars parsing Despairge

some of my best memories in WoW come from oneshotting myself on Maut by greeding infinite stars

[keen dome]

High5

[lilac stag]

Havoc on Maut

[limpid sage]

exactly dude

8.3 havoc is goated

130% haste

[alpine wraith]

letting jesus take the wheel

with 500 corruption infinite stars

fully red

90% less healing

just dont get hit

??¿¿

[limpid sage]

I've completely forgotten the thresholds for the corruption side effects

I remember the eyeball being the last real stage before getting real bad

I remembered wrong

parsing as a healer must've been something else

[alpine wraith]

then following copies

then slow

then copies create eye

then everything together and less healing + more dmg taken

[limpid sage]

ye I stopped before 80

[alpine wraith]

and finally more procs

[hazy breach]

"My bad stars procced during the mirror phase and oneshot me"

[alpine wraith]

or inkpod

that one never got old

[hollow spear]

My mind has been cleansed

[lilac stag]

I may have had a macro for that.

[hollow spear]

I can't remember anything

[haughty mural]

Fatal intentpod

[lilac stag]

Since this spec was so bad, everyone tried to block everything from their memory

[hollow spear]

Think I played sin back then

[keen dome]

I am unbreakable because I mained Sub through all of BfA.

[lilac stag]

Ironic visions come back, state of sub still shit.

[keen dome]

Alternatively very stupid. one of the two.

[lilac stag]

maybe rogues have a vision side quest to find the devs inside the visions to unlock a 25% BP buff

[keen dome]

haha

[tulip gorge]

I saw the new pin notification and I hoped I would see a new secret build that makes sub OP

[keen dome]

Maybe we were the horrific visions all along

[brittle plinth]

Shadow synergy

[night sparrow]

thx for your Tuning Sub article Fuu, gave me a good amount of copium 🥸

[lilac stag]

FI Bleed Assa build

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[hazy breach]

Its unironically fine

[void ocean]

SD-ing the shit out of mobs

[lilac stag]

I tried it. I liked it.

didn’t miss vanish as much as I thought I would

[tulip gorge]

personally I prefer the cleave build

[hollow spear]

The zeross cook is unfortunately not playable in lower keys

[hazy breach]

Its better to skip the tea

[lilac stag]

ohh can try that next.

[hollow spear]

Luckily he's not British

[lilac stag]

Imagine having choices

[hollow spear]

Or he might have taken offense

[tulip gorge]

what would be considered lower keys

[hollow spear]

10-12

[lilac stag]

Would never take offense to Eleem

[hollow spear]

Probably even higher, until 14

[hazy breach]

Assa has unreasonably high amounts of choices

[lilac stag]

fi was fine in a 12

[hollow spear]

Yeah, but Zeross build is not only fi

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/judgemental-aristocrat-volturi-gif-23598881

since when tf 10-12 is lower keys 😄

that has to be mid at least

[hazy breach]

Like you can play the scent cleave version, you can play oldschool cleave, you can play bleed, you can play hybrid, you can play either of the last 2 with FI

[lilac stag]

I was talking about bleed with FI. Idk wtf zeross build is.

[hollow spear]

Compared to what he's doing

[keen dome]

It's such a relative thing, haha

[tulip gorge]

what is FI, forced induction?

[hazy breach]

And from what i can tell its pretty much the same overalls regardless so its

[hollow spear]

It's more about prio damage vs overall

But the prio damage version sucks when your target dies halfway through your kb

[lilac stag]

KB just sucks

[void ocean]

I know, for me its high keys, but assumed even for the best it has to be mid at least 🤣

[hollow spear]

Didn't wanna come across as elitist, I'm playing weekly keys mostly

[solar geode]

M+ fiends when they have to do an affix 😱

[hazy breach]

I mean bleed does very high prio too, whenever DM is up youre doing very close to the other build so its

[keen dome]

Low / High keys will mean something different to different people,imo. It's such a contextual term

[hazy breach]

(obviously its less outside DM)

[void ocean]

Too late, pitchforks are out... 🤣

[keen dome]

high5 cozy weeklies

[solar geode]

i managed to get resi 12s playing sub rogue yesterday im pretty proud of that :D

[hollow spear]

I'm into that, don't worry

[tulip gorge]

only thing I dislike about bleed build is that you are supposed to afk while you're above 50% energy

[keen dome]

high5. I did that on saturday. Team Sub rogue

[solar geode]

hell yeah

[lilac stag]

Nah just spam buttons

[void ocean]

I got my resi 12 too by doing some keys as sub... Namely work and top

[tulip gorge]

where can I find this FI bleed build?

[merry umbra]

you're either afking at 0 energy or 50%, no diff really

[hollow spear]

Isn't it just the regular bleed build and you take the points out of your tea tree and put them into your fi tree?

[lilac stag]

Take bleed build. Move teas side to Middle

[tulip gorge]

wait no tea

[keen dome]

If we go by the data, a high key is around 10 - 12. Majority of keys tend to be 10's and then it MASSIVELY falls off. Which makes sense

[tulip gorge]

interesting

[hollow spear]

Tea is kinda useless tbh

[lilac stag]

That’s what eleem said

[tulip gorge]

do you also give up on vigor?

[hollow spear]

Good question

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-the-frog-tea-sipping-gif-24277205

[tulip gorge]

is this the build?

[haughty mural]

What’s the gain?

[solar geode]

assassination rogue jumpscare

[tulip gorge]

sub is so dead we are discussing assa builds here

[haughty mural]

FI alone so much st in bleed build ?

[tulip gorge]

I think this week or next we might get tuning

[haughty mural]

Or what’s the point

[void ocean]

At least its rogue... 🤣

We had days discussing dk and warlock builds

[haughty mural]

I can do that: DB fdk critting sectech numbers again

[hollow spear]

I hoped for tuning before sending my 681 crafts

Too late

[hazy breach]

No FI is less ST than tea, but it leads to higher aoe damage

[solar geode]

i know its never gonna happen but wouldnt it be so sick if sub rogue was mainhand 1h weapon and offhand dagger

[hazy breach]

Because bigger demises

[tulip gorge]

i don't want higher aoe, I want my assa to not do tank damage on bosses

[plush roost]

Ill show you a bigger demise

[void ocean]

I rolled HoC HC as bis hoping for sub buffs... Now its gonna be replaced with myth signet

[hollow spear]

Eleem has always been a demise enjoyer

[tulip gorge]

and the cleave build does the job for me

[hazy breach]

Well then play a more ST build

[plush roost]

Bigger demise 😦

[hollow spear]

Rip

[hazy breach]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1373831239018086410/image.png?ex=682bd78b&is=682a860b&hm=9d5993fa8901174118f934a827c66266d4c00dc412575b0ad4e4b3adc36cf258&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1061&height=502
play this if you want big ST

[hollow spear]

Play arcane mage

[tulip gorge]

yep that's what I've been playing the past few days

[hollow spear]

I still have no clue when to barrage

[plush roost]

I want so badly for cleave build to be good

[hollow spear]

But it's fun

[plush roost]

But there's just so much funnel

[void ocean]

So do you guys que barrage into Arcane Surge or...

[merry umbra]

what are you even saying

[lilac stag]

The build I tried I dropped vanish. It was a bit less aoe depending on tank. ST was stronger.

[hollow spear]

I'm queuing sub into 1h of declines in +12's

[plush roost]

Queue assa, swap before key

5head

[tulip gorge]

do people actually check your spec tho

[lilac stag]

queue as DK and don’t swap

[merry umbra]

literally no one looks at your spec in mid keys

[round latch]

@vale pine took me a while but read all of it,good stuff

[tulip gorge]

I am still getting invites as outlaw/assa

[hollow spear]

Was mostly memeing, but I tend to get more invites on sin

Maybe they think I have iron wire

LOL

[void ocean]

16-17? 🤣

[lilac stag]

Sure they do. I’m not joining some random 3x melee comp with a melee healer.

that shit is too crowded

[leaden prairie]

Depleting on timer with one death is rough

[void ocean]

Bruh i swear ppl look for mdi meta even in m0

[lilac stag]

addons make it easy

To see what you are

[tulip gorge]

I have a resto druid friend struggling to get invites in 10-12

[gentle gyro]

for how long fazed is bugged like that?

[tulip gorge]

but when he plays boomkin he gets instant invites

[keen dome]

Boomkins...

[lilac stag]

No pi. No lust. No skyfury.

[hollow spear]

They look for mdi meta and then they do the most milquetoast pulls I have ever seen

[lilac stag]

boomkin has vers buff. Sold!

[tulip gorge]

fuu shouldn't have snitched, blizzard always prioritizes positive bugs

[leaden prairie]

It's not big anyway I think

I checked some logs

Even on bad bosses

Parry isn't really real

It's just qol

[hazy breach]

Always has been

Its only the parry part, not the +5% dmg taken

[tulip gorge]

imagine if the 5% also applied to raid

[gentle gyro]

oh

I thought it's the 5%

[short radish]

now that'd be a good raid buff

monks get 5% phys
dh gets 5% magical
rogue gets 5% EVERYTHING

that sounds fair

[tulip gorge]

idk instead of atrophic poison I think rogue should have got a crit buff

[short radish]

make it happen blizzard

[hazy breach]

Ye since at best it would be +3% dmg, but realistically you only have like 1/3 of your raid being melee, and a lot of melee classes have a bunch of stuff that cant be parried anyway and youre not always going to be infront of the boss. So its more like +0.2% or something

[vale pine]

thanks ❤️

[lilac stag]

Is there an easy way to check what got parried for each player?

[hazy breach]

Dont think so

[lilac stag]

I was trying to figure out a string

But couldn’t

Our dps swings as melee on locken as sub was noticeably better. Was trying to see if it was just rng or actually useful.

execute assa ended up being better for prog kill since people were dead

[hollow spear]

Our rets always parse well

Does people dying giving them a buff still?

Because if yes, I know why

[leaden prairie]

Ye you can

Well manually I mean

Like it you go into a damage thingy

You see % of parried for each abilities

Just have to be careful for melees cause most of it is just normal melee miss

[lilac stag]

Oof

[leaden prairie]

Not parry

[lilac stag]

Yeah I was more curious about abilities and not melee swings

[void ocean]

whats ur hit rtg %

u have soft cap

[leaden prairie]

Ye it's the miss % thingy