subtlety

[alpine wraith]

the no need for bl is nice tho

[hazy breach]

Def better than top 8

[pastel rampart]

delete flag pls ty

[alpine wraith]

nah we looked

[pastel rampart]

get this ramp spell out of my burst spec

[alpine wraith]

maybe week 1 it was better

[hazy breach]

Its like top 3

[alpine wraith]

but now just undertuned

[hazy breach]

Just going of sims

And if you swap to tfd its higher

[lucid jackal]

Subs burst is unmatched, even being undertuned as shit lmfao

It's insane

[hazy breach]

even higher if you swap to a db+tfd setup (to highest in the game)

[merry agate]

Bring dust back now with synced CDs and make it only CDR blades and flag

[alpine wraith]

idk we deal 7.5m or so for some secs

other specs deal that but for 30 secs

[haughty rose]

when to spread rupture and when not in m+ on first pulls? i feel like at <+10 it's a waste of globals but idk

[fiery pewter]

Personally im not a fan of Flag

[lucid jackal]

What spec is bursting for 7.5m for 30 seconds?

[alpine wraith]

flag is kinda divisive but cool

[lucid jackal]

Is it literally just dev..?

And that's only in opener

Because mastery

[pastel rampart]

dev gets max mastery from cds no?

regarldess of hp

[swift tinsel]

yes

[lucid jackal]

Dev opener is insane tho

[alpine wraith]

maybe because of bl

[fiery pewter]

I believe so

[swift tinsel]

Yeah engulfs in opener are literal nukes

[lucid jackal]

Even on mugzee without lust on pull their opener is insane

[swift tinsel]

and you send two

[alpine wraith]

i mean we never say sub is bad just numbers are not there and burst is not venthyr moonkin lvls

[hazy breach]

Like you have this list right, sub doesnt look that great, but thats because i currently have no way of getting the default APL to start each fight with the 2 superchargers or disorienting strikes, if you do you end up with something more like this

[alpine wraith]

to have so ass dmg afterwards

[hazy breach]

And thats with subs current tuning

[lucid jackal]

Yeah where it's one of the worst specs in raid

[alpine wraith]

yea like we said even a 4% aura buff would be good

[lucid jackal]

Yet it's one of the highest burst in the game lmao

[alpine wraith]

smack that in the middle and good burst

i mean i've had higher openers too because of my build too

but guess how much less dps i did in this sprocket

vs the uhdk

[fiery pewter]

Personally I wouldn't mind a burst nerf for better sustained damage. But that's jus tme

At least enough to do more than a prot warrior

[alpine wraith]

no that is not the way

i mean dmg spread is not bad at all

just undertuned

bfa situation kinda but better than at that time

[fiery pewter]

Hmm. How about even more burst with less sustain?

[alpine wraith]

yea that was before tier set nerf etc.

we would have still been quite mid but

had a way stronger identity

[hazy breach]

Buff eviscerate, which make the burstier talents better

[alpine wraith]

there was also the sec tech nerf randomly

actually make evis talents

we have 0 talents that only affect evis

unreal

we have 2 backstab talents

let that sink in

[hazy breach]

They could make PV always be +50% damage to builders and it would still be a mid talent 💀

[alpine wraith]

or well actually 3 but one is kinda baseline tree thing

pv could be every 5 strikes more dmg to finisher

suddenly it works in the important part being dance

not this backstab bs

[hazy breach]

Only letting pv be used by strike is the easy way of making it better

[alpine wraith]

also mastery not affecting snd is another

for no reason

yea or letting it stack more or having it consume some stacks like 2 but only buff strike/goremaw

or something like builders outside stealth stack PV

builders inside consume it

i still cant compute they also decided to buff trickster crit dmg to builders

AAAaaAaAaAaA

[lilac stag]

Move more of the burst to dance. Adjust faster dance cdr .1 or .2

[pastel rampart]

they should make danse macarbe give u 5% dmg each time u meow in shadow dance

with an icd to match gcd

so u macro /meow into ur spells

[lilac stag]

I’m over flag

[hazy breach]

And the classic why does these 5 not work on storm complaint

[tepid trellis]

i will forever be unhappy about sub until FW and shadowed finishers gets taken out back

[alpine wraith]

same

[pastel rampart]

flag die

[swift tinsel]

please

merge flag with blades

too

[alpine wraith]

we are really the meme i wish i knew what the good times were before they were over

in WoD

no split dmg nonsense

just good old big dmg

not over almost 30 secs

but 10 secs at most

[swift tinsel]

if we're stuck with both cd's just merge their effects

[lilac stag]

Get rid of the pet clones. Make it a single visual that takes your character and does a shadowy dfa animation.

so fucking sick of pets

[alpine wraith]

actually now that i think about everything would be simpler and easier

[swift tinsel]

single shadow hit

[alpine wraith]

yea why cant we have big D glacial spike

[swift tinsel]

comes from us

Akaari can go away

and take funky logs with her

[alpine wraith]

tbh touch of the magi would go omegahard

still jelly arcane got maalus before us

[lilac stag]

the base trickster gameplay is fun, fuck me it’s got some terrible design concepts in it and the base spec

[fiery pewter]

Would be cool to have a building damage bomb on a mob that pops for shadow damage maybe

[lilac stag]

No

Fuck building up shit

[fiery pewter]

Okay 😭

[lilac stag]

We have flag

[hazy breach]

Like flag could be, each spent CP stores damage and at the end it explodes based on CP spent

[lilac stag]

burst is supposed to be burst

[swift tinsel]

so execution sentence too

[lilac stag]

Not chip away over time

[alpine wraith]

dont make me dream

big boi

[swift tinsel]

I wouldn't hate that

[alpine wraith]

yea tbh we got gaslighted into this

30 secs cd thing

we are wish venthyr boomkins

[swift tinsel]

don't make me get my IQD

[slate marlin]

yes pls

[alpine wraith]

i did like the bfa thing tho

IM FONTING

into badge

big D evis

i would post the clip but seli is onto me

lurking

[haughty mural]

Bfa sub

[alpine wraith]

it had great gameplay but shit tuning unluck

but hey at least now we are like 6% or so behind

instead of 20%

[swift tinsel]

I think I mainly played outlaw in BFA, was a bit of a fever dream with senior project and graduation

[lilac stag]

We don’t need lingering darkness as a sub ability

Put combo back in game. Tune it

[alpine wraith]

every time i see this new wm

i get annoyed

but if we had old wm we woild crash games or something

[lilac stag]

Make dance the burst. Tube the CDR or eliminated the CDR

[alpine wraith]

cant imagine the bugs

[lilac stag]

Fix mastery

Delete pet dmg

[alpine wraith]

delete this vers of FW and shadowed finishers

it is even worse than sanguinary vein

and sinister calling

[lilac stag]

Delete Fw

[swift tinsel]

It's so dumb

[lilac stag]

Sub is saved with a bandaid.

[alpine wraith]

and those were rough times

also this FW is not even the good one

[lilac stag]

Fix the 9 unless talents in 12.0

[alpine wraith]

wtf is 30% arpen

[swift tinsel]

a relic

armor pen that gives shadow damage to finisher that isn't mitigated by armor

[haughty mural]

If they so desperately want, they can keep shadowed finisher and just remove the requirement of fw for it

(Though one big hit would be better obv)

[swift tinsel]

finisher damage converted to shadow in dance

no fw requirement

delete fw and sf, 2 free talent points to put into 0.1% gains

[fiery pewter]

a penny a day adds up

[alpine wraith]

i want to know who though shadowed finishers was a good idea

[swift tinsel]

its just

not good lol

you're already bypassing armor from FW

[haughty mural]

I think it sounded good because of theme

[swift tinsel]

and then add 30% extra shadow damage

[haughty mural]

[fiery pewter]

FW does feel like a ancient concept that should be laid to rest

[swift tinsel]

and as the first talent in the tree

seemingly foundational but actually just annoying

looking at other specs' first spec talents, FW is so out of place its insane

[fiery pewter]

And idk if Rupture is popular or not around here, but personally im not a fan of it outside of Assa

[swift tinsel]

I'd be fine without it personally, but if they're dead-set on making us keep it I'd rather have Nightblade for more prio

[vale pine]

just change rupture name and icon

nobody will notice

i am fine with rupture doing damage

[fiery pewter]

Full shadow would be cool

[swift tinsel]

I already changed mine in my weakauras lol

[fiery pewter]

aesthetically

[vale pine]

exactly

[haughty mural]

They could make it shadowy powerful and only usable on one target for us - so we don’t feel like similar to sin in that regard
Then RS would make it erupt in dance for big aoe hits

[swift tinsel]

or like old UHDK necrotic plague

[haughty mural]

so it’s really a replicating shadow

[jaunty heath]

FW needs to go big agree

!log

[haughty mural]

We are getting away from the main points here:
Sub needs tuning and not a rework

[fallow nimbus]

The sad part is that all these ideas are meaningless

Nothing will happen or worse, ds buffs

[slate marlin]

id rather get nerfed

than ds buffs

[swift tinsel]

a buff to DS is a nerf to fun

[jaunty heath]

Input would be very appreciated I feel humiliated by this log

[haughty mural]

Yes, I’d really appreciate they would balance us around trickster for the remainder of the xpac

[fallow nimbus]

Tomorrow i will spend all crests, farm m+ for even more crests and go with full 684 into raid, then the following week i spec assa to shock my raid

[graceful osprey]

Imagine feint applies to the whole raid

[swift tinsel]

Personally trickster plays the way I'd like sub to play baseline

[fiery pewter]

Ive never played DS so I can't have an opinion on it.

[swift tinsel]

I've dabbled a bit and I do not like the restrictions with DN

and the aoe playstyle is not fun if you lean into the cancelaura loop

[haughty mural]

Wowhead post fuus article already

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/neva-never-marc-homealone-youcantstopme-gif-9816521

• Wowhead, probably

[ashen dock]

after 14 runs in 2 days, I'm free. I have my Pacemaker

[hollow spear]

I think they might have fired him due to the amount of expletives in his article

[haughty mural]

Lul

Might be

[void ocean]

imagine not having a mythic seaforium 😄

[swift tinsel]

fuu definitely known for raging outbursts

[haughty mural]

The calmest person in here

[void ocean]

thats what happens when u r sub for too long

u reach Marcus Aurelius lvls of calm

"sub being bad is not a problem, ur feelings towards it are." - M. Aurelius, Meditations

[strange chasm]

hmm do i take eye?

[void ocean]

yes.

no, wait... sim yoself

[alpine wraith]

it is not bad

[void ocean]

eh depends what he has already

its shite for m+ and for shorter fights usually

[strange chasm]

probably was going to use last dinar

on it since next tier

it will be good

[alpine wraith]

yea just get it

not like the others are decent

and socket is literally 0.1% nw

it is not that bad for m+

other trinkets also suck anyway

[void ocean]

i had it in vault last reset, tho hc version... it became dps improvement only on 7+ min fights

[alpine wraith]

just highroll you noob

and get full stacks at 2 mins

smh

[void ocean]

and it was +7k dps for 7 min fight, 18k dps for 8min fight

[void ocean]

int wipe the entire raid otherwise... fishing for that one pull 😄

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[median nacelle]

yo realz, whens ur vacation done man?

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-well-where-is-it-looking-for-something-gif-5291661

[swift tinsel]

Devs are on NDA - No Discord Allowed

[haughty mural]

We don’t do that here

[swift tinsel]

You want the outlaw channel, he talks in there

at least as of a couple weeks ago lol

[limpid sage]

Any last minute changes to dinars mentioned?

[swift tinsel]

besides being character-specific for requirements, not to my knowledge

[limpid sage]

We got OAB to 10% before it hard enraged but have decided to reclear again T-T

[void ocean]

lmao brave

we killed stix last night and were like fck it we aint doin this shit again

[limpid sage]

Yeah we’re prob not going to prog OAB before next wednesday either

[wicked urchin]

Anyone unable to pick up the dinar quest?

It says previously completed by warband

[fiery pewter]

Wouldn't be Blizzard if they didn't launch a buggy patch if so

[void ocean]

god bless NA for taking that first hit 😄

[swift tinsel]

[upbeat cradle]

I tried assa in a key and I don't think i ever will play anything that isn't sub again

[steel sierra]

I just got the Gilded achievement (675) but the upgrades still cost 15 crests?

I thought it was supposed to be 10..

[strange chasm]

I believe you need to relog

[steel sierra]

Dam, i'll try - lost a lot of crests

Nope, full forced closed and nothing

[runic sequoia]

Your alts should have the discount up to your mains ilvl per slot

[open vortex]

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[icy forum]

I believe it's only for your alts no?

[lilac stag]

Yeah you have to do the quest in Normal or higher.

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/james-franco-wait-what-wut-wtf-nani-gif-25479769

no LFR?

[lilac stag]

Nope

[void ocean]

damn

[lilac stag]

M+ or normal or higher

[void ocean]

so, no soloing...

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-first-girlfriend-turned-into-the-moon-thats-rough-that-rough-buddy-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5710468

[tranquil moth]

does anyone know if they have liftet the crest cap on 11 delves?

[solemn creek]

Might be bugg or a typo on the quest.. but me and a friend did lfr and got completion out of it earlier

[alpine wraith]

lfr should work

[delicate wind]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/feral-druid-3-buff-no-longer-missing-from-most-recent-class-tuning-376859#p6111735 love to see it.

[chrome palm]

This is a reference to 10.0.5, when their feral buffs went "missing" that time as well

[delicate wind]

pd2 season restart friday means i can be sick for raid nights and farm d2 for a few weeks at least

[lilac stag]

It’s not listed. But ya know. Tootips.

[lilac stag]

it's still listed as gilded stash x/3

first one rewarded 20 + the 7

[fallow nimbus]

atleast they knew it was missing. ours was sent to their spamfilter

[delicate wind]

u got 27 gilded for an 11 delve? or can i not read good

[alpine wraith]

first one also had map likely

[swift tinsel]

and using a map on a bountiful 11 gives 10 gilded

in addition to the 7

[lilac stag]

now the map gives +20 on the 11

[swift tinsel]

ah nice

[hexed sluice]

Nice so 41 crests as week from 3 tier 11s

[alpine wraith]

nice

[void ocean]

If only I wasnt the idiot who converted all the stash last reset to upgrade belt

[indigo steppe]

if I dinar heroic HOC and I kill mythic one arm, can I upgrade it to myth track or do I need to spend another 3 to get it on myth?

[void ocean]

Latter

[indigo steppe]

fuck

pvp trinket it is i suppose

[void ocean]

I mean, mythic hoc vs hc hoc aint that big diff

[ashen dock]

pvp warrior changes, but no sub. noted blizz

[warm marlin]

after many weeks of pvp trinket

[alpine wraith]

big

[vale pine]

nice

[alpine wraith]

big cat situation

[hidden spade]

What slots are best to target with upgrades first? im imaging main hand is number 1 and then house of cards maybe?

[swift tinsel]

depends on your gear, but typically mh is biggest, then hoc

[hidden spade]

ok ty!

[lilac stag]

The ptr raid bots site lets you sim upgrades

I don’t think it hit live yet

[rain stratus]

Can we upgrade crafted items as well?

[dreamy pumice]

how feasible is it to play some sub using my outlaw crafted gear (all crit+vers) and just try to get vers mast in all the other slots ? like would my damage be terrible more than likely

[indigo steppe]

Seems like 684 dagger sims a good amount higher than 681

I might use my dinar on my main hand since I haven't gotten mythic dagger yet except crafted and my guild doesn't want to reclear until we kill mugzee

[vestal escarp]

good evening chat

delete sub

bye bye

[haughty mural]

[merry agate]

[lilac stag]

Play assa

sub is already F tier for forgotten.

[grave shore]

F to respect brotha 🫡

[merry agate]

Next week fr fr

[gritty knot]

Subs back baby

[alpine wraith]

big

hope you used tricks to kill the dk

secret tech

[lilac stag]

If only it actually transferred any real threat

[gritty knot]

sadly not haha hes a friend of mine

[dreamy pumice]

but sin is coooool

[wide kernel]

in keys or raid or what

[wide kernel]

god damn juicy parse

[random hare]

if sub rogue has even been so depressing

it's never been worse than this

enjoy it while it lasts

[alpine wraith]

what it has been worse than this plenty of times

this is like some rocks in your shoes vs how it has been in the terrible times

[worthy relic]

Oh but it has been worse

Bfa were dark times

[wide kernel]

part of the problem is people keep trying to run sub in caster comps

[brittle plinth]

I'm still loving the spec and having a blast. I also don't do higher than 10s and play with friends. The dooming is justified, with context. But you can enjoy the spec regardless.

Just don't look at details or run with absolutely awful other players.

[alpine wraith]

yea i only do random 10s too

[wide kernel]

still benching the other dps in 13's over here

[dreamy pumice]

keys

[random hare]

https://tenor.com/view/desert-tumble-weed-ghost-town-gif-11132442

https://tenor.com/view/google-street-view-gif-14778300

[lilac stag]

If you actually wanted sleep this is the place to do it @random hare

[wide sonnet]

[clever delta]

I started playing ret again and their tier set is so nice to contrast of sub rogue which is super garbage gameplay wise

[patent surge]

True

[lilac stag]

but it’s fun! Minus the extremely tight CDR and FW bullshit and Sectech being a cluster fuck.

[clever delta]

Why do I need to pray every time I press finisher to not lose stacks is insane gameplay

[lilac stag]

Just be in dance 4head

[clever delta]

Why other classes when they lose stacks get something in return

[lilac stag]

I think crackheads with chatgtp could do a better job at this point

[vestal escarp]

erm

[hollow plinth]

outlaw 500 iq

[daring raptor]

ANyone know what we are goin to pick for the traits for the titan disc belt ?

[hazy breach]

Its a decent bit until its out.

[daring raptor]

isn

isn't it tomorrow?

[hazy breach]

Not sure if theyre in simc yet but i'd imagine it would be the vers or the mastery one

No

[daring raptor]

?

[hazy breach]

Its with the .7 patch

[dreamy pumice]

legit 0 tanks for 14s rn =[[

[heady dragon]

The entire BfA expansion?

sub was strong on Zul and blizz decided that it should not exists for the next 14months after that

that shit was actually criminal

[short radish]

5 years*

[heady dragon]

what

after BfA was SL where sub was mostly good

and in DF sub was the Overall best rogue spec in raids

ik sub sucks rn, but lets not be over dramatic and rewrite the past ok

[short radish]

wasnt SL like 5 years after bfa

or am i messing up my timelines

[heady dragon]

bro,

sl came after bfa

[short radish]

i shouldnt talk after i just wake up

carry on as you were

[heady dragon]

legion->bfa->sl->dragonflight

[short radish]

for some reason i thought it was bfa -> legion

im actually such a monkey

[paper iron]

dude went on stasis mode

[sullen hare]

Missed backstab/gloomblade spam simulator, poor guy

[tepid trellis]

Spec was dead from end 2018 to mid 2021

[short radish]

okay so 3 years not 5 years

close enough

i rounded up

[tepid trellis]

Month or so into uldir until sanctum in SL

So yeh about 3 years

Or like 2,5 if u wanna get nit picky

[lilac stag]

spec was also dead with rng fiesta tier set

[sullen hare]

Talking about s3s4 SL?

[swift tinsel]

sepoopcher

[steel sierra]

Can we cloak the ice shard on Mythic Mugzee?

[short radish]

no

you can evasion the phyiscal damage of the mine though

if you face it correctly

[ember hound]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worn ivy]

its time for EU

[lilac stag]

@tepid trellis sub still for OAB prog?

[rocky ocean]

[junior prawn]

I assume cyrces is now replaceable

[vale pine]

spec was also quite dead during legion

so can add 2016 - 2021

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-holt-brooklyn-nine-nine-brooklyn99-captain-raymond-holt-andre-braugher-gif-13945912

[vale pine]

it was relevant in 1/4 tiers, tomb of sageras was the one raid it was good in

tomb released june 2017
argus released november 2017

legion released 2016

bfa 2018

so the entire time frame is roughly 2 years

you can subtract the above time window from it

lets be generouse and say 6 months (even tho its 5)

this adds another 1.5 years to the 2.5 years stealthi mentioned for a total of 4 years ^^

this was also in total the longest time one single spec was the best for raiding (with only one tier in between it wasn't)

[tame stone]

hit or miss, i think its insane, have 23k mastery, 15k vers atm, have to figure out how to sim it

even tho its only hc

[alpine wraith]

soon

[keen dome]

Hell yeah

[short radish]

gz dude

[proven plover]

ah dang they forgot to post about buffing sub on their post about forgetting to buff feral

how silly of them

[haughty mural]

Tomb was great tho

We were finally the main character after suffering all legion long

(Not that we were like giga ahead of sin)

[alpine wraith]

then got nerfed

kek

[keen dome]

Maybe that is our lot in life. To suffer.

[haughty mural]

Indeed

We even had the choice between dfa and mfd

[open vortex]

bring back dfa

so jank sometimes but man big number

[graceful rock]

Can you not dodge the Rik reverb slam anymore?

[junior prawn]

No

[graceful rock]

What’s the solution now? Just send CDs after slam?

Or dance in and out of it

[junior prawn]

Sadly you gotta do the mechanic now

[graceful rock]

[short radish]

reroll human

[zealous hedge]

why human?

[short radish]

stun break

[zealous hedge]

oh right

[wide kernel]

dont you get knocked back still?

[short radish]

yeah but then you shadowstep

[hollow cobalt]

I'm once again asking to bring back DFA as a choice nod

[worn ivy]

1 more week

No buff subtlety i stop play the game

[pearl swan]

!sim

!sheet

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[leaden prairie]

play outlaw

[haughty mural]

Not the solution fren

Sectech single big hit would be more or less the same without the dfa fuckery

[pearl swan]

DFA deathstalker rework

absolute cinema

[worn ivy]

I double checked today they didnt even fix clones on rook 1 st boss

Im afraid they dont even know the bug

Why all this patches for ?

[haughty mural]

My guess is they can’t

Imo just remove the clones and be done with it

They cause issues all the time

Akaaris soul should have died with fangs of the devourer

[quasi vector]

First time in this discord:
I have a question for you knowledgeable rouges out there. Ive got 7/8 14s and starting to do 15s as of now, with that it seems time left in a key is considerably more of a problem then in 14s. So: If Im in a situation where there is 5x targets left and not one of thoose 5 have a higher healthpool or is more of a priority target then the others. Should I still use evis>b.powder? Since b.powder would damage then 5 targets the same, while evis would deal more to one of those targets and lesser the the other 4. Am I just stupid and dont understand math or how should I think? In general situations im sticking to the 7 target rule. Sorry for long message, let me know if this is too much lol.

[round latch]

Rogues***

we are not lipstick friend

[tepid trellis]

technically speaking if all 5 have Find Weakness up you would be using BP since it does more dmg than Eviscerating with nimble flurry or about equal at 5 targets with Find Weakness

[quasi vector]

Big thanks, got it, thank you knowledgeable lipstick 😄

[wide kernel]

the corruption enchant things are live now yeah?

[quasi vector]

20th of may as far as Ik

[wide kernel]

it got delayed again?

[stiff remnant]

!dinar

[quasi vector]

No I think its been the plan for a while. chips and turbo is live this week. I think thats always been the case

[haughty mural]

Didn’t get delayed

[zenith prism]

!guide

[wicked jolt]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by fuu
• Method - by Stealthi
• Icy Veins - by Eleem

[haughty mural]

Dinar and Turbo boost into corruption

[void ocean]

I dead ass tho this is 11.1.7

[haughty mural]

Not yet

[void ocean]

Gotta read up on that belt now, I tho that will be 11.2

[haughty rose]

went to the wrong channel lol

i just simed some rings and refuse to belive the results

patchwerk 1 boss 5 minutes no buffs compare to cycres circlet

[lilac stag]

Why are we winning 5 target 1 minute?

[tepid trellis]

1 boss 5min is what he said

[lilac stag]

My dyslexia kicking in

[haughty rose]

and patchwerk 5 boss 1 minute (is dungeon slice now broken or not? i heard it is)

[tepid trellis]

who told you it was broken?

[lilac stag]

Just use dslice for gearing

[haughty rose]

reddit about 2 months ago

[tepid trellis]

LMAO

NAH

okay that actually made me laugh

thats funny

[lilac stag]

Dead

[tepid trellis]

dslice works fine

[haughty rose]

im always happy to make people laugh

[tepid trellis]

only thing that kinda doesent is the talent TFD

but fwiw cyrclet just gives a fck load of stats

[haughty rose]

ok back to topic please

what am i missing on this sim or is it supposed to be like that? are we stuck with a 658 ring forever?

[heady dragon]

rule #4 in wow

never

ever

listen to reddit about anything except MAYBE mountfarming

[tepid trellis]

so its about as good as high end mythic rings

[lilac stag]

@tepid trellis sub for adds on OAB prog still or are they irrelevant at this point.

[heady dragon]

irrelevant

[hollow spear]

Melee adds are irrelevant

[heady dragon]

not raccon man

but like, they explode

[lilac stag]

assa it is

[hollow spear]

Yup

[heady dragon]

play what you want really

if you just start OAB, it doesnt matter really lol

[hollow spear]

If you get dopamine from bursting the small adds, play sub

[heady dragon]

a wild WW monk appears!

[lilac stag]

We finally got stocken with 2 new tanks and 3 new dps and 3 healing

[tepid trellis]

Assa if you go the fast strat or if you care about overall dmg

[lilac stag]

There is no dopamine on rogue

[hollow spear]

You have to time your 2nd sectec right to make them sad

Even though it's a little tight tbh

[tepid trellis]

you just time your burst so your first sectech lands when they spawn

[hollow spear]

Assa boss damage is juicy

[tepid trellis]

Assa makes me depressed af

[hollow spear]

Me too

[lilac stag]

Dopamine is killing the boss quickly

to move on

[tepid trellis]

your "pad" dmg just depends on the rest of the people being bad

its so fcking bad

[hollow spear]

Assa made me play arcane mage

[heady dragon]

Dopamine is rolling a coin over the boomkin on a wipecall

[tepid trellis]

tru

or an evoker

fuck those sky rats

[lilac stag]

our boomy is good dude

[heady dragon]

lies

[hollow spear]

It also depends on your tanks not being bad

[heady dragon]

there are no good boomkins

[hollow spear]

Especially on Rik

Luckily we progged rik when sub was still competitive. They would have tried to make me hard swap to adds on assa.

[heady dragon]

i was told to afk the boss

and had to hardswap anyway

[hollow spear]

[lilac stag]

Oof

[heady dragon]

cus Nobody else did

[lilac stag]

That’s what I’m worried about

[heady dragon]

"get that barrel"->literally nobody excepts me and the dh move

[lilac stag]

I upgraded assa gear for last night. Gotta do the rest today

[hollow spear]

Most tanks are just on rails, they don't have the mental flexibility to move the boss on the adds to cleave

[lilac stag]

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to move a dragon? -every tank since bwl

[heady dragon]

tbf

moving some bosses is legit a pain in the ass

[lilac stag]

yea

[heady dragon]

you stand there for 7sec watching the boss casts stuff cus spellqueuing, while your active deffensives all run out

[tepid trellis]

funniest thing is when gallywix

chases the tank that isnt currently tanking him

[heady dragon]

yep 🙂

[lilac stag]

shadowstep to your doom

[heady dragon]

get the rocket->run out and the other tank taunts->after the rocket cast gally runs halfway across the arena

love it

treat to watch every time

[tepid trellis]

the big issue with that on mythic is that the soaks spawn around gallywix

so they can very quickly not be where they are meant to be

[hollow spear]

usually it's me who's very quickly where I am not meant to be

[severe prism]

Cyrce's circlet still simming higher than a 671 hero track ring

[vale pine]

F

[alpine wraith]

circe bis if you stack mastery like me

[hollow spear]

Hacha, you need to check yourself into rehab

Your mastery addiction is going too far

[short radish]

dslice only works for rogue really

but yeah reddit is also stupid

[void ocean]

he can stop whenever he wants

[obtuse cobalt]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[obtuse cobalt]

@vale pine are u gonna update sheet to new ilvl?

[hollow spear]

Before the switch to assa, I was versa addicted

The only thing able to stop me was sub being big poopoo

[hollow spear]

Only after he published his state of sub rogue article on wowhead

[vale pine]

yes, will do later today probably

[haughty mural]

Wowhead need to publish it

[obtuse cobalt]

thanks

[lilac stag]

Do you really think it will change anything?

[vale pine]

i wanted to wait to see if there are balance tuning for corruption, but seems like nothing

[haughty mural]

Was referring to colo saying he needs to publish it

Just wanted to be Mr smartiepants

[lilac stag]

corruption, another 3% next week, people fully maxed out. They’re not looking at shit.

[haughty mural]

That wowhead needs to do that not fuu himself

[lilac stag]

tier is done

https://tenor.com/view/grave-my-gif-24188992

[haughty mural]

But no .. I don’t think it will change anything

[lilac stag]

Yea I figured that after your first reply.

[keen dome]

you forgot the most important thing from this week

The raid proc that does 100k damage every minute.

[lilac stag]

Taco Bell food

[keen dome]

the single most useless raid proc ever

it is comically useless

[lilac stag]

I mean it’s right in tune with corruption.

[haughty mural]

Im a man of long ass explanation

Let me finish it

[lilac stag]

Er embellishments

[haughty mural]

Or my monk will kick me

[keen dome]

This is on a Stix heroic kill

lmao

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/expand-on-that-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-tell-me-more-explain-gif-20031393

[void ocean]

thats hot sauce shit, right?

oh ye, theres a screenshot even

[cloud rover]

@tribal blade I just did a pug heroic and played sub

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/mouxy-cotorep-aveugle-debile-esquiver-gif-20546128

[tribal blade]

did you blast??

[void ocean]

i went to lfr this mronin as sub, couldnt top dps

[cloud rover]

And its so Frustrating

[void ocean]

tho ppl were jacked to the teeth

[tribal blade]

damn what happened

[cloud rover]

Seeing an ass rogue

Outdmg you

[keen dome]

Yeah..

[tribal blade]

yeah it's unfortunate

[keen dome]

I did Galy earlier and did an 83 parse. And got beaten by two Assa rogues haha

[void ocean]

bruh Gally as assa is fckin pog

[keen dome]

Also: why can't I keep clearing the raid for crests.

[void ocean]

just stand on top of the adds and brrr

[keen dome]

Let me nolife the raid 😠

[cloud rover]

Literally in thst Moment

I decided to not troll on gally myth

And swap gear to assa again

[keen dome]

🫂

[tribal blade]

HAHA damn

yeah dw i'm doing the same

this was my guild's 1.3% wipe on mugzee

i know on the kill i'm gonna get like a green or blue parse or some shit

from gettiing every single mechanic

[void ocean]

woah u guys r nicelly geared

and here i am waiting for the guild crafter to come back from work

[tribal blade]

nah i'm behind in gear haha

i'm now 677

[cloud rover]

I was put in jails

[tribal blade]

wait what, were you playing sin

[cloud rover]

yes

[void ocean]

do u guys feel we r maybe too jacked with dps

[tribal blade]

uhh

[void ocean]

this season

[cloud rover]

Im Voidelf

[tribal blade]

i guess your RL didn't know spatter cleaves through jails haha

from the boss

[cloud rover]

thats why

[tribal blade]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

pain

and suffering

[cloud rover]

Thats why i was in jail

[tribal blade]

that sucks so much because every jail set lines up with KB

[cloud rover]

I mean we had to dmg stop

anyways

[tribal blade]

you ain't parsing mugzee if you're in every jail as sin

we're doing the speed strat

i guess that's a luxury my guild has being slow on prog haha

[cloud rover]

well we did too

but we waited for the fin ger gun

[tribal blade]

ahhh gotcha

i'm still deciding what to play on gallywix

i'm guessing sin is prob the move

[void ocean]

what happens if u KS Gally in P1

[cloud rover]

i mean i did the first 70 tries as Sub

But it fels like inting

[lilac stag]

Rogue felt like inting on locken

[cloud rover]

u mean stix

[tribal blade]

looks like rogue is down bad on gally too

awesome

[void ocean]

oh cmon guuys

let me at least get there before i get disappointed

[lilac stag]

Our ST is shit

[void ocean]

we r awesome on Lockenshit Sprockenfuck, right?

[wild hornet]

Yes just believe hard enough

[void ocean]

i have jastor now, nothing can stop me

[lilac stag]

Depends when you hit execute and how many dead raiders

[wild hornet]

I'm either gonna continue on sub or switch to outlaw

Assa is dead in my eyes

[void ocean]

bruh fight is like 5 min, no executr

if i get 2 blindside procs, ill be happy

[lilac stag]

You’ll get it sub 5 next week. Prog kill was 5:35 but we had enough dead to play blindside roulette

[tribal blade]

fair enough 😉

[wild hornet]

I only wish I could play with KS on spricket

[void ocean]

well u can

once

then u get gkicked

[lilac stag]

I wish I could play another class

[short radish]

stars aligned for me. got some nice procs and people died so got a full flag off at the end

[alpine wraith]

ez

[tribal blade]

nice!

[wild hornet]

Gg

I got only one 100 so far

[void ocean]

good good. now lets see the dmg of the rest 😄

[haughty mural]

Out of 75

[wild hornet]

Congs rats

[haughty mural]

[wild hornet]

That's a lot

[solemn creek]

So awesome that even with 100% uptime. We cant beat aug

[haughty mural]

Well done bud

[void ocean]

demo lock with like 42% parse above

[tribal blade]

yeah sin is just really good on mugzee

it does everything you need on the fight

so makes sense there'll be that few sub rogues on it

[wild hornet]

Delete sin

[short radish]

tyty

feels good to fix my blue and greens on mugzee lol

meanwhile destro lock green parsing doing same damage as me

games acutally just unfair

[wild hornet]

Meta slaves

[tribal blade]

yeah dude i had this struggle during early mythic prog

and it just kept getting worse and worse at time went on

[wild hornet]

Having close to a 100 and being on the bottom half hurts

[short radish]

like wtf is this

everyone else is blue/green and im just above

[void ocean]

"balance"

[tribal blade]

you wanna know something that hurts even more

you're being beat by your arcane mage who's parsing worse and has -5 ilvls on you

🙂

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

sub surely in a good spot right now

blizz on top of their game

[vale pine]

haha

[haughty mural]

Top 3 in his raid

Clearly it’s fine

[vale pine]

just crit more

[haughty mural]

Dunno what your dev did but ye

Just crit

:3

[lilac stag]

@tribal blade if you want to slam out 12s tomorrow let me know. I should be around.

[lethal gale]

12s quicker than 10s crest wise?

[lilac stag]

I still need 220 crests ish

[tribal blade]

for sure! i'm likely doing guild stuff though

and mugzee prog

in jail

[lilac stag]

I figure, but meant off raid hours

[tribal blade]

yeah i should be around

[tribal blade]

20 crests from a 12 vs 16 from 10

[void ocean]

2 rogues in a key

blizz will think we meta

nerf us

[tribal blade]

i think people figure doing 12s is more efficient

[lethal gale]

Hmm can knock out a 10 in like ~14 min

Maybe less on some

[tribal blade]

honestly not sure which is better, but everyone i know is just doing 12s

[lilac stag]

it’s probably a wash but 12s at 678+ are not slow

[tulip token]

Plenty of people who hate the affixes below 12s too

[lethal gale]

For sure prob doesn’t matter much lol

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/me-mimi-its-me-it-was-me-i-did-it-gif-23092186

[tulip token]

Me too tbh

[short radish]

12s are also better because you get less idiots

[keen dome]

12's are probably better if you are already able to run them, yeah

[void ocean]

yea, they turn for the worse if u r unable

[tribal blade]

i've just been using my IO to get into the groups with competent people haha

[void ocean]

whats the point difference in 12++ and 13+?

[vale pine]

r.io score is a good way to get easier into groups

[haughty rose]

u guys use finishers at at least 5 or 6 CP? and do you make a difference on that when in dance and when not in dance?

[hazy breach]

Sims say very small difference overall, but 6+ always is more worth

[haughty rose]

ok good. finishing at 5 feels wrong. also on secret technique?

[haughty rose]

and how can you sim that?

[lilac stag]

Override the apl to finish at >=5 instead of 6

[void ocean]

btw when can we sim 681 crafts

in top gear

[pastel rampart]

now

[void ocean]

i tried adding 681 everforged stabber to my top gear it said item cant be crafted at that lvl

[north schooner]

use mimiron.raidbots for the beta version. It supports 681

[lilac stag]

Live supports it

[hazy breach]

Uncheck this box

[lilac stag]

Reload and check what eleem posted

or uncheck

[void ocean]

aye, cheers

[mint swift]

Sub needs a buff

[keen dome]

Yes please

[haughty mural]

Sub is fine all g

[pastel rampart]

priest needs a buff

for the miracle sub needs

[lilac stag]

devastation needs a buff

sub needs to be taken out back and shot

[keen dome]

Sub should get extra gilded on content completion

[lilac stag]

Why? For the minimal Ilvl upgrade that won’t do anything?

[keen dome]

So I have to spend less time trying to run keys

[lilac stag]

just use old crests

[keen dome]

I have

[lilac stag]

That will cover 1/2 of them

[keen dome]

I need more crests

[lilac stag]

Then do 10 keys

[mint swift]

Nerf fury
Buff ret
Buff boomie
Buff the 2 mage specs that aren’t S tier atm
Buff Assa

That’s the bliz way

[lilac stag]

should have done more content for shitty crests

[mint swift]

Also buff random hero trees that are underperforming but not to the point they are viable

[keen dome]

Buff Sub rogue by giving us the original set back

as a treat

[pastel rampart]

Deathstalker Shroud of Night now makes shroud last 6 additional seconds (was 5)

Also gives 30% garrote/backstab dmg after shroud ends

:^)

[hazy breach]

A lot of the time thats the point though

People dont like big changes mid seasons typically

So they just make things that are the best slightly less best in comparison to everything else

[tribal blade]

blizz does try to operate in a way to not "upset" the meta

[hazy breach]

Ye because then people who are fotm rerollers get scrweed over and get very upset

[swift tinsel]

That kinda comes with the fotm territory tho

[short radish]

whos talking to me in trade chat

[keen dome]

Sub fotm arc when

[tribal blade]

funny story is, sub WAS fotm at the start of this tier

smile

[keen dome]

For a very funny week or two, yeah

[hazy breach]

I personally preferred when it took longer to reroll (because of AP or whatever) so there were less fotms, but i know im probably in the minority

[swift tinsel]

yeah and then we got our 2 good slots and tier set in the first few weeks and watched everyone else get cooler

[swift tinsel]

nah I totally agree with that

bc then you get a tonnnnn of shitters in lfg

[keen dome]

I agree 'cos I dislike FoTM as a concept in general. But the flipside is making it harder to alt so. It's a balance. I'd like it to be harder to just swap to whatever is topping

[swift tinsel]

and it makes the experience pretty ass for others

[hazy breach]

Ye it obviously fucks over people playing alts

[tribal blade]

i also agree

[swift tinsel]

The wow ecosystem isn't really made for the "you pick a class spec and that's yours because you've invested so much time into leveling"

[keen dome]

Yeah. Also because it can be dumpstered so easily.

[swift tinsel]

^^

[keen dome]

In some ways it's why I like the FF14 approach a lot 'cos it's so easy to swap to whatever you want on one character but that's just not what WoW is or can be.

[spare garnet]

New player i see?

[swift tinsel]

I've played since 2007 lol

[tribal blade]

wow used to have a lot of class identity, and people had very special attachments to certain classes and specs

[keen dome]

I do consistently have an easier time when I join off-meta groups. Chiller and more lilely to invite

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, that's me with rogue, dk, and holy paladin

[tribal blade]

now not so much, i miss it

[swift tinsel]

we have a couple of one-tricks in the guild

[tribal blade]

at least with people who play higher end content it's more so "reroll to whatever is doing the best"

[swift tinsel]

but they're all the ones who've been playing for 15+ years too

[tribal blade]

yeah i just play rogue 😉

[keen dome]

High5

[swift tinsel]

I usually just end up happy when one of the specs I enjoy has an easier time finding groups lol

[keen dome]

I tried playing some Assa today and remembered I don't enjoy it so I went back to playing Sub in keys which.. Well. The state of random pug keys lmao

I can play Sub and gap everybody

Workshop+10. Same iLevel as me..

[swift tinsel]

lol same, sub is the only rogue spec I can pick up and play and never feel like I have to force myself to enjoy it

there's been outlaw/combat iterations I've liked but current, nope

I haven't done rogue keys in weeks

[hazy breach]

Demisemaxxing is fun to me atleast

[tribal blade]

i hard gapped some poor guy who has more IO than me today in a 13 priory

while crest farming

[hazy breach]

Esp playing with a mage in voice who gets upset when he cant get his combust cdr off

[tribal blade]

and his guildies said he was having a meltdown over it in discord

[keen dome]

Haha

[tribal blade]

i had to tell him "don't feel bad, i'm multi rank 1"

[tribal blade]

lol have you seen gingi's team flaming him whenever he holds combust

on a pack

and does 0 damage

[haughty mural]

Only seen this

[keen dome]

lmao

[keen dome]

I am excited about breaking 10m hp unbuffed

A very silly amount of HP

[tribal blade]

we're due for a numbers squish right

[keen dome]

With midnight, yeah

[tribal blade]

or else we're gonna be getting into that crazy mop/legion numbers range

[keen dome]

(Why they didn't do it in the first expansion of the series and plan it all out, is a blizzard thing..)

I imagine we'll hit stupid numbers by the end of S3 and then for Midnight I bet we'll be back to, I dunno. Personally i'd like SL-era numbers? It's just smaller. But.

10m hp is funny

[tribal blade]

yeah i'm looking at billions of damage done overall in keys now haha

i think we're due

[keen dome]

yeah

This'll be what, the 4th squish?

[tribal blade]

i have NO idea

i honestly can't remember how many times they've done it

[keen dome]

Legion into BfA. BfA into SL..

Cata into WoD, maybe?

[tribal blade]

wasn't it cata>mop>wod

i think i vaguely remember numbers being huge in mop

[keen dome]

You are right, lmao. Yeah, maybe I'm thinking MoP -> WoD

[tribal blade]

the transition during a squish is MEGA weird

[keen dome]

The first squish was implemented in Patch 6.0.2, and the latest squish (which was a level and stat squish) occurred in Patch 9.0.1.

Huh, no. Just two then

[tribal blade]

to see your millions and billions become thousands

[keen dome]

My favourite squish issue was when they had some outliers in the BfA -> SL one

Like the Murloc mobs in eternal palace being missed and being level 120 while we were level 50

[tribal blade]

haha i didn't know that

[keen dome]

it was one specific trash pack iirc that somehow got missed by their approach

[haughty mural]

Wasn’t legion > bfa also a number squish or am I tripping?

[keen dome]

I want to say it was but I can only find those two..

A new stat squish took place in the pre-patch of World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth. This stat squish also included an item level squish

Aha.

You are correct.

[tribal blade]

yeah definitely, because i remember the numbers in legion were getting bonkers

[pastel rampart]

u guys dont understand

[vestal escarp]

so chat

[pastel rampart]

if we dont hit 390billion hp we wont be able to kill the jailn't at the end of the saga

[keen dome]

haha

[haughty mural]

Ye thought so

[vestal escarp]

is 684 HOC finally on par with transmitter?

[tribal blade]

the numbers on azerite power were ridiculous lol

farming millions upon billions of AP

[plush roost]

No because HoC doesn't make me jump 3 times. My exercise is ruined and now I'm over weight

[pastel rampart]

anytime im above 3rd in key dps my team calls for log and vod review to find out what went wrong

send help

[tribal blade]

respec sin

and sneeze top overall

[plush roost]

Respec outlaw

[tribal blade]

or outlaw

[plush roost]

And sneeze into a swirl

Killingspreemoment

[vestal escarp]

sounds like and reads like a huge you issue brother kindred

[keen dome]

Getting declined from an all warrior key as a trickster sub. Don't they know the VALUE I bring

[haughty mural]

You ain’t a shaman

[keen dome]

May all their big crits be parried

[plush roost]

Brother kindred?? I don't play league of l*gends anymore

[vale pine]

i think most don't play lol that active anymore

[vale pine]

684 transmitter would win

[haughty mural]

Maybe he means you guys are the same so you guys are kindred spirits (:

[plush roost]

Who would win, 684 branch or 684 transmittee

684 ashes of the embersoul (imissyou)

[worn ivy]

684 umbral

https://www.wowhead.com/item=147012/umbral-moonglaives

[lilac stag]

What was queens trinket. 684 of that.

[vestal escarp]

nah
i would win

[lilac stag]

Prepull 20 seconds

[worn ivy]

Font ?

[lilac stag]

Yea

Finally purged throwing up hands from brain.

[lean jewel]

Hands up was the best

[worn ivy]

Pvo trinket 678

Pvp

[lilac stag]

Watching the entire raid team prepull acting like choir singers

[worn ivy]

Whats the highest ilevel u can get that pvp trinket ?

[lilac stag]

658

[worn ivy]

Yikes

[lilac stag]

Only heroic and mythic got +6

[vale pine]

mythic+ too

[lilac stag]

The pvp gear got pvp scaling

[lilac stag]

Gear tracks fuu. Not content

[vale pine]

oh ye

sry

[modest river]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pastel rampart]

take me back to SL where 2100 pvp gave u myth raid ilvl

[formal helm]

wait, how is even aug more popular in keys than sub

[keen dome]

More of them than us

[formal helm]

hey and they even get mentioned in patch notes!

[serene notch]

new support class just dropped and joined us, welcome support mage!

[calm creek]

@vale pine is bazaar good again

Or is it still bad

[keen dome]

nah, we're the support class for warriors

no parry!

[serene notch]

lewl

[formal helm]

yeh

good thing they nerfed us week 1!

[lilac stag]

It’ll go lower

[formal helm]

we would've been out of control guys!

[lilac stag]

People aren’t 682+ yet

[serene notch]

there are so few parses my shit ones have a real % impact

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[keen dome]

Hell yeah buddy

[sacred yarrow]

are those for mythic?

[formal helm]

what if we just all stop doing w/e it is we're doing so they have actual 0 parses for sub a week or two

[short radish]

they wouldnt notice anything

[formal helm]

[lilac stag]

We had 15 parses in BFA

[short radish]

we're acutally just a rounding error

[keen dome]

Finally my time to get a 100

[short radish]

you know how sims have a 0.1% margin of error or something?

that's us

[keen dome]

haha

[formal helm]

yooo! 15 more than aug at the time !

[delicate wind]

So I should reroll aug

[formal helm]

[short radish]

im annoyed we didnt kill gallywix tonight

could have gotten my r1 there as well

now the other 6 sub rogues are going to have gear by sunday

[keen dome]

damn, hope you get it soon

[short radish]

and i'll have to settle for 7th

[lilac stag]

Dev

[formal helm]

I'm on rik now

[delicate wind]

Nah I don’t play fotm. I prefer bottom feeder

[formal helm]

casually raiding so we don't even do it every week

it's kinda fun tho

raiding mythic again

[formal helm]

good, you don't even have to reroll ever once you spec sub

[delicate wind]

We had jastor and eye drop on hero gally and if my dice weren’t broken I’d prob have rerolled since after that

Sin*

Too much effort to recraft and re gem and change gear this far in

[keen dome]

What is the oppisite of fotm

I guess OTP but it's not got the same ring to it. Hm

[vale pine]

its mediocre

[formal helm]

sub

[vale pine]

basically they fixed their pay 2 win problem

but the game is plaged with bugs, crshes, disconnects and has rly bad balancing

[delicate wind]

Wait are you talking about wow, fuu

[formal helm]

bazaar

[delicate wind]

😉

[formal helm]

I know

[vale pine]

haha ^^ not wrong

[calm creek]

Yeah balancing is whack

And it’s so hard to relearn the game every patch

I don’t wanna play pyg bro

[formal helm]

nah wdym, it's fine for dev to be like 1m dps ahead of everyone

[vale pine]

the new hero is equally op, but people can't play him

[calm creek]

Yeah ik the new char is op

I’ll play anything but pyg