subtlety

[vale pine]

its funny how its still a common issue

[lilac stag]

I assume we have a steady flow of people getting invested in the spec for 2 months then saying screw this.

“how do you people live like this?!?!”

I run assa bleeder for the trash with garrrote. Swap to sub for the bosses. Never need to slow down for CDs.

[vale pine]

can just play with a tank

[lilac stag]

Delves are my I don’t want to deal with people time.

best content.

[plush roost]

I just changed my macro icon to something different from the sec tec icon and never had this issue again

Hidden tech

[lilac stag]

stop playing rogue. Issue solves itself.

[dry cave]

Just stick it on action bar 13 with every other macro

[chrome elbow]

hi can t we do a macro like this? , symbols still go through :

/cast Shadow Blades
/cast !Shadow Dance
/cast !Symbols of Death
/cast Secret Technique

[fallow nimbus]

No

[celest lynx]

Okay, so I actually did some testing and figured out what's happening, and it's a weird niche bug.

I had her switch to assassination to try it out, we're currently questing through pandaland and she's on a character locked to 67 while I'm on a lvl 39 evoker I started to level. I thought the change, especially without doing stealth things, would make the threat problem better.

Anyway, it didn't. We'd start a fight, she'd have aggro, she'd take a couple hits and as soon as I heal her I take all the threat. When I delt damage though, I didn't pull threat at all.

What's happening is that my healing scales to her much larger healthpool in chromie time, so when I would heal her my heals would tick for 45k vs my damage which was at only 1.8k per cast. This would mean that even with the .5x threat modifier, I'd pull threat with just my healing almost immediately.

This was all happening on top of the subtlety just droping threat when she played it as well.

[worn ivy]

Mayb cheeky buff this week ?,

[fiery pewter]

Ohh is that why I seemed to be having the easiest time doing my tier 11 delves despite being very undergeared?

I was wondering why brann was always tanking the mobs

[brittle plinth]

Shindig has an absolutely stellar video on YouTube if you aren't the reading type

[left ledge]

holy fuck

we did it

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[worthy relic]

fixed that for u

[hazy breach]

Surely next tuning

(aka 11.2)

[patent crystal]

surely

[short radish]

whens the fuu article about how dumpster sub coming out

[high flint]

i actually need to make a macro like this

[worn ivy]

my sim as assa with subtlety gear

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x5qmnxFSiK5Jwpk2ixZWYm

and my subtlety sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/77LDE5LTkg1LX4kmP2Fc4W

i start believe the d/slice sim is dogshit

for M+

coz i do like 1mil more than subtlety every key

even on top / ws

assa does more how do i sim less than ? i need explanation

[short radish]

dslice dps results shouldnt be used as a "this is how much damage I will do in a key"

but only as a gearing option

dslice results also shouldnt be compared to different specs

[worn ivy]

what u saying does not make any sense to me

how do i know on paper which spec does more than

[short radish]

you don't

either way

sub is da poop

[wispy bolt]

i just ran with a Instant Dollars officer tank in a pug queue and he missed percent LOL

[twilit phoenix]

[wispy bolt]

it was a vault 10 ezpz run but it was funny

[fallow nimbus]

The article is already finished but wowhead needs to censor all the slurs fuu implenented and even developed

Or they don't publish things only 10 guys will read

[short radish]

[zenith prism]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[echo ridge]

hey - is there an option in raidbot to check my gear in "new max ilevel" settings?

[alpine wraith]

you can make a gearset in advanced with new ilvl

just change strings

[echo ridge]

thanks!

[half remnant]

Do you know is there a way to set kezan stacks on simulation? Let say I want to start a sim with 20 kezan stacks.

[worn ivy]

Augmentation Rogue when ?

[keen dome]

never

rogue tank though

[wraith solstice]

not below Aug

[short radish]

frost will be below aug next week

[wraith solstice]

Every spec does more than sub, np

[worn ivy]

False

I can beat some healers

[wraith solstice]

if you have a good run sure

[final holly]

I went through this a while back, basically you just can't use Sims to compare between specs, it's apples and oranges

If you're doing more damage on sin in real keys then trust that

[wraith solstice]

do not need Rocketscience to figure out sub is ass

[grave shore]

I tried and get smth like this with all upgraded gear

But I did smth wrong because my current sim = 2,480 not 2,411

But I think in average it will be ~ +170k dps

Try to do clearly after work from pc not smartphone

[edgy socket]

Is subtlety a spec that requires gear to feel good about DPS? Currently gearing an alt @ 620 ilvl and dps feels low. Doing the rotation from icy-vein

[short radish]

almost all specs require gear to feel good

also are you talking m+

or raid

[edgy socket]

Talking about m+. Played mage(frost and fire) before and their "dps floor" is a bit higher than with the same gear.

[short radish]

yeah

sub sorta requires

a bit of nuance when to press buttons and what not

because you do 0 damage outside of cds

so if tank pulls 3 mobs when you send all cds

you do no damage

[edgy socket]

I see, so it benefits from the "common" routes in high keys rather than in +2-+4 where its just random

[short radish]

yes and no and yes

[edgy socket]

I meant, pulls are random per run

[short radish]

in low keys everything dies too fast for it to matter

but in higher keys, assi is also just better than sub

[lilac stag]

sub just doesn’t output high enough or consistently enough if you’re not playing around it which No one does at that key level

[short radish]

sub is the definition of: high effort mediocre reward

[lilac stag]

All to be purple

[short radish]

you know

i wonder how parses would change

if it was % against every class/spec

instead of just your own spec

like what that would do to the game/parse mentality

[edgy socket]

Damn. Still feels good to play it since its the rogue spec that feels rogue the most. Is the subtlety set a game changer? For example for frost it does not change A LOT

[lilac stag]

the form chasing would go even harder I think

[short radish]

nothing really changes

end of the day play whats fun

if you enjoy sub

just play it

[alpine wraith]

you dont play around it unless in m+ or to plan for some special things

like phase changes

or priority adds

but those are calculated decisions not for optimal dps

[lilac stag]

We are doing relatively the same dps we were doing w2 of the season. Get mh weapon, get 4 piece. Everything else minimal upgrades if coming from s1.

[short radish]

yeah

[alpine wraith]

yea we are around 600 to 700k dps down from the big dogs

[short radish]

but sub feels good to play

[lilac stag]

If you’re new. Get PvP badge trinket

[short radish]

so who cares

[alpine wraith]

about to get bigger

so just enjoy game

do delves they drop good gear

and next week you can also get more ilvl

[lilac stag]

And have the gap with other specs increase.

[alpine wraith]

yea it will be fun

[edgy socket]

Thanks for the answers guys. Cheers

[alpine wraith]

but hey at least i can get 34k mastery now

so we can cry with bigger numbers

[lilac stag]

You can’t though

Split Sectech who cares

[alpine wraith]

well now instead of 8m it will be 9 or a bit more

meanwhile some specs doing our burst but for 40 secs

brrrrr

[lilac stag]

Envenom gonna pop harder.

[alpine wraith]

big envenom

[wraith solstice]

Sandbag Spec

If your team times a 14 with you they will be able to do a 15 with a real dps

[leaden prairie]

@topaz agate noob

[tribal blade]

true

(and real)

who are we noobing

[short radish]

everyone here still playing this dogshit spec

[leaden prairie]

im not

ty for asking tho

[short radish]

i am

[leaden prairie]

mental issues

[short radish]

yeah

[leaden prairie]

yeah

i saw that btw

https://tenor.com/view/pipotam-baby-hippo-hippo-wash-shower-gif-3406421565683572068

[short radish]

it was supposed to be for me

[leaden prairie]

yeah

[short radish]

[vale pine]

its just undertuned, i am still playing it

[jaunty heath]

I‘m still rolling too

It’s fun

[keen dome]

sub 4 life

[short radish]

sub 4 lyfe

[tribal blade]

watching sub gradually go lower and lower whenever yoda makes a tier list

is chef's kiss

[alpine wraith]

ehehe

[tribal blade]

sub started this season as #1

[short radish]

wait really?

[tribal blade]

now it's almost last place

[tribal blade]

yeah on most people's tier lists sub was the best dps

right when the season started

sub was REALLY good

[short radish]

true

then week -1 happened

[tribal blade]

yeah exactly haha

everyone got gear

and buffs

[short radish]

tbh even week 1

we were "strong"

[tribal blade]

and sub got no buffs and no scaling

[short radish]

and everyone was like sub op

and none of them fucking knew

[tribal blade]

haha yeah the only people who knew were in this channel

[short radish]

yup

im pretty sure we were dooming from w1

[alpine wraith]

even before week 1

i knew

[tribal blade]

yeah the dooming was already happening then i remember

[alpine wraith]

you knew

many knew

[tribal blade]

and everyone was right!

[alpine wraith]

at the exact moment we got baseline buff + triple nerf

we knew it was joever

had a funny tier being benched

whole tier

except 1 boss

[tribal blade]

the one thing nobody knew was coming was blizz intentionally only ignoring sub on tuning

because it has to be intentional

[short radish]

yeah it's to save face

they cant nerf a class

to absolute oblivion

then suddenly buff it again

otherwise they'll just look foolish and stupid

[tribal blade]

sadge 😦

[alpine wraith]

they did it with warrior tho

[hazy breach]

@tribal blade Ive realized something btw, DFC is a cheat death key

[tribal blade]

oooo tell me more

[short radish]

i know im just coping

[hazy breach]

The only thing that feint doesnt work on is the bleeds on first boss (and the random bolts obviously)

[tribal blade]

is elusiveness not good on candle king?

[alpine wraith]

and arcane after everyone forgot

[hazy breach]

Well its +20% on evasion

[tribal blade]

does base feint work on the rot dmg?

[hazy breach]

Yes

[alpine wraith]

doesnt the rot ramp quite a lot

[tribal blade]

OH SHIT

[alpine wraith]

dam

[tribal blade]

ok that's so good to know

yeah i might just run cheat in dfc then

(if i can remember to run it)

[leaden prairie]

What really

[tribal blade]

i'm dwarf as well so i can stoneform the bleeds on first boss

it's grim batol all over again

[tribal blade]

that's huge

btw @hazy breach thoughs on going nelf

over dwarf

[hazy breach]

I prefer maghar for the extra trinket

But nelf isnt bad

[tribal blade]

that is another option too, i'm just trying to avoid going horde

someone in the sin channel said it's not worth going nelf

you can't get enough extra stealths to proc IC

or it's not consistent enough

[leaden prairie]

Wtf that's huge

I have been mega trolling my healers

[tribal blade]

40% DR is crazy good on that boss

[alpine wraith]

that is so funny

[hazy breach]

Pretty sure arakara was a cheat dungeon too, its pretty much only the stray bolts that dont get reduced by feint by itself

[leaden prairie]

Last boss dot ?

And second boss?

[hazy breach]

reduced without elusiveness

[tribal blade]

can't wait to talent cheat for dfc and then forget to swap back

and get absolutely destroyed in other keys

[leaden prairie]

Second boss as well?

No way right

[hazy breach]

Ye

[leaden prairie]

Wtf

!!

I did like

[slate marlin]

??

wtf

[tribal blade]

blizz and their weird coding

[leaden prairie]

19s of these keys and I never knew

[hazy breach]

And then you have shit like cinderbrew where practically nothing gets reduced

[slate marlin]

and we are told about it 2 months after season ends

[tribal blade]

i guess hobgoblin charges

[alpine wraith]

well some of us knew

[hazy breach]

Well no i did talk about it back then too

[alpine wraith]

but i tell people then kinda forget afterwards

[tribal blade]

can't think of anything else lol

[alpine wraith]

didnt know about candle king th

[slate marlin]

ipa aoe right

[tribal blade]

the intermission dmg i have no idea what that is

but it hurts

[hazy breach]

ye ipa aoe, but not bee aoe, nor last boss aoe

[tribal blade]

can we talk about the criminally small hit box on bee boss

every time

it makes me want to throw my computer out my window

[slate marlin]

So clear aoe abilites

arent aoe

[leaden prairie]

I complained about that on beta

I remember

[slate marlin]

alright blizzard

[slate marlin]

You can say that about everything zac🤣

[tribal blade]

my favorite is watching zerocool do that boss and complain about the hitbox the entire time

[leaden prairie]

Right

[tribal blade]

"bro blizzard has no idea what they are doing, look at this shit game, i cannot hit this fucking boss, this is most bullshit"

in russian accent

[leaden prairie]

He is right tho

[slate marlin]

Its not russian accent tho

[leaden prairie]

Acro was good for the game

[tribal blade]

he is right

it's horrendous

[slate marlin]

its cig in mouth diff

[leaden prairie]

Made the game not shit to play

[tribal blade]

LOL

true

cig + sunglasses

[slate marlin]

Tbf zero is the reason i swapped to assa in df

i could light a cig while pooling

[tribal blade]

yeah i ran his build last season

i tried out all the builds and liked his the most

[slate marlin]

Assa has no pool conditions atm worth playing for

sadge

[hazy breach]

Workshop is the only other one where cheat could be good

[slate marlin]

i liked clipping envenoms

[hazy breach]

The only thing that it doesnt work on is the dogs, but those are def dangerous

So

[tribal blade]

yeah those dogs are really scary

wiped on dog pull in 17 today

[hazy breach]

With the 2x massdispell+cloak angle it could be fine

[alpine wraith]

that pull is sub forte

[hazy breach]

And if you cheat there its still back up later on anyway

[alpine wraith]

cheap shot

the dawgs

and kidney

if only stunning secret existed

[tribal blade]

i want to DO damage

[alpine wraith]

no sir have a dot that ticks for 3m

[slate marlin]

Why do you want aoe cc? You have too much utility already

[alpine wraith]

that was the same expansion they introduced busted dragons

that let you cc mobs for 8 secs in aoe anyway

[jaunty heath]

Aoe kidney would’ve been lit

Actual useful class in keys

[keen dome]

Maybe it comes back

[jaunty heath]

But also kinda op

[haughty rose]

bruh i love this game

did my first +12 key in priory

beside 1 death from a dps the run was flawless. we pull last poss with 8 minutes left on the timer but the tank ninja pulled where everyone was still half health and hunter hit BL. we go to phase 2 and wiped shortly after because the healer couldnt keep up healing and adds were too much. the second hunter said "good job. ninja pull + BL on pull i'm out" and left the group

[tribal blade]

so those adds on either side of the boss will pull no matter what when you pull the boss 😉

so your tank did an oopsie and didn't clear them first

we actually do that intentionally on higher keys now to get some funnel for that boss

[haughty rose]

yeah no the adds on p2

[tribal blade]

OH

oh i read that as the tank ninja pulled adds into the boss

[haughty rose]

the only oopsie he did was not letting everyone go full HP after that debuff mini boss right before last boss

[tribal blade]

does it actually mess anything up going into that boss with half hp

[haughty rose]

and BL on pull from the first hunter although idk if that matters TOO much

[tribal blade]

i suppose it matters more what your healer's mana was like

[slate marlin]

nope

[tribal blade]

also x2 hunters and 1 rogue adds should have been no issue

they can just kite and you can pop evasion

damn

that sucks 😦

[slate marlin]

people in low keys

are built different

u get to last boss with 17 minutes left but your healer asks for a stop for mana? better get out csnt time the key with those noobs

[tribal blade]

i helped a guildie of mine get a 13 top done today to help him get to 3k

he's a hunter

[keen dome]

People def freak out over the strangest key issues

And then like, self-select out of pretty salvagable situations

[tribal blade]

as the key is starting he asks me about lust timings, and i realize i have no idea what it'll be like for a 13

so i just say "not sure, we'll see where we can use it, probably on cd"

and then he doesn't lust 1st boss

[slate marlin]

On a 13 top just send 1st, 3rd, last boss

[tribal blade]

🙂

[keen dome]

Yeah, seems like Boss 1 is always a safe send

[tribal blade]

i think we use our first lust in the hallways going to xav

[tribal blade]

I THOUGHT SO TOO

but he thought not haha

[slate marlin]

U have to bl 1st boss tho

[tribal blade]

yeah i thought it would be obvious

but apparently not

[keen dome]

I've done multiple 10's where like, they won't lust boss 1 but'll lust the first gladiator add or something after boss 1

[tribal blade]

craziness

[keen dome]

Lust timing on lower end is always hilarious and strange

Pug some of the cursed key ranges and you'll see the funniest stuff (So like, 8's or 5's)

[tribal blade]

that sounds horrible no ty

[short radish]

ever done the famed motherlode hold W strat

[tribal blade]

and get like 130% count?

[short radish]

[slate marlin]

I mean

[keen dome]

Yes, it's hilarious

[keen dome]

[slate marlin]

why would anyone care about count % on those keys

those tanks dont rly care about mob efficiency

[keen dome]

Because they don't have perspective or understand the game. And their pinnacle content is probably a 7

[slate marlin]

They shouldnt either

[short radish]

what is mob efficiency

is that needed for timing keys?

[keen dome]

Most people doing 5's or 8's don't have a clue what count is what

[slate marlin]

Some mobs are better to kill than ithers bc of hp/count

[short radish]

damn that sounds useful

[slate marlin]

hopogoblins are turbo inefficient

[short radish]

but they're in the way

so we must pull them

[slate marlin]

i think they give 1.7% 'count

[short radish]

this is the Way

[slate marlin]

do lot of dmg

have lot of hp

[keen dome]

@short radish The two ways of doing low keys

You either pull eveything

Or you skip and someone pulls everything

[tribal blade]

how is this possible

[slate marlin]

or try to emulate kira routes akd always fuck it up

[tribal blade]

what kind of psychopath did this

[short radish]

thats actually criminal lmao

[tribal blade]

it's insane

[keen dome]

Do a +5 where the tank is trying to do an MDI route but doesn't have thrash on his bars.

[slate marlin]

Its the reason u skip as many of em as u can

[hazy breach]

And they used to spawn even more adds when they died

[slate marlin]

brew is a key with a lot of mobs

and cant skip many of them

[tribal blade]

yeah that change was actually very impactful

[hazy breach]

Not only are they dangerous, have a lot of health and give no count

They also spawn in more mobs

[tribal blade]

a lot of tanks don't know the strat for where to put hobgoblins either

you can put them up against walls where there's los from barrels and shit

and then when they charge whoever gets the charge just los's

and they literally don't move

and melee keep uptime

everyone happy

[hazy breach]

the void diffusers in rookery also suck to fight, but atleast they give good count

[short radish]

same with lightspawn in priory

shit mob

good count

dunno why hobgoblin is so trash

[slate marlin]

i cant imagine what fighting the double diffuser is with no cloak

[tribal blade]

https://youtu.be/tlZ5PgH6IDA?si=t_nqaL9bqWewuLkI&t=152

here's the tech

it's a gamechanger

hobgoblin packs become WAY easier if you do this

my tank showed it to us and it's by far the best tech i've seen this season

[slate marlin]

lol

Huge

[lilac stag]

Do a +11 with a liquid tank.

[tribal blade]

i'm not sure why literally every tank when i was trying to time this on a 16 doesn't know that

[slate marlin]

im yet to play rhis week a

i need to finish my 16s

[tribal blade]

esp as sin watching the hobgoblin just charge a mile away with your mark on it

is tragedy

when we did this for the first time we were all doing like at least 20-30% more dmg

in that pull

because noone had to move

at all

[lilac stag]

you mean you don’t like them running off at your hunter 40 yards away?

[slate marlin]

its even better when u skip corner pull

[tribal blade]

reeeeEEEEEEE

[lilac stag]

have you tried using shadowstep?

[keen dome]

[short radish]

yeah then i got ran over

[slate marlin]

and some range assh puts charg on thwir direction

gg

[tribal blade]

yeah i bricked a cinder to that lol

[lilac stag]

This was maybe 4-5 weeks ago. We were just looking for vault keys end of week. It was a bear with an 11 priory so they took our group of 4. I think we had 35 deaths and still timed it with 3 minutes to spare.

Priest was having a panic attack 24/7

[keen dome]

Haha, damn

[tribal blade]

i think trying to time 16 cinder was one of the hardest keys to get done i have ever tried in this game

i did so many of them

[lilac stag]

It was a lot of fun looking back at it. But it’s crazy to see just how built different they are.

[keen dome]

Yeah

I've had the pleasure of doing key content with very good players on occasion and it's always startling. The skill gap is immense and I can only imagine how much bigger it is when you get a WR1 - 3 player in

We had a CE tank join one of my Heroic pugs a while back and seeing how they tanked certain bosses was so incredible, too. Just the difference in movement, precision and damage compared to a typical heroic pug level tank lmao

[lilac stag]

There’s def an art to tanking and positioning.

[keen dome]

Stix with a really competent Mythic tank, haha

[lilac stag]

or just pissing off your melee

[tribal blade]

i would describe the skill bracket i'm in as good players who make a lot of mistakes

the barely making title cutoff crowd

[keen dome]

I like to think of myself as Above Average and Competent, but then I play with really good players and I'm just pushing random keys lmao

[tribal blade]

i think so for sure!

you're definitely above average

[keen dome]

It's also why I think the reverse is useful. Going into lower content (I.e., 5 / 8 keys. I use those as they're the unrewarding cutoff so it's the most cursed groups) can be really interesting and useful

My best OAB damage on Heroic is from me helping my very casual, not very good raid community try and kill him, 'cos I have to play so much better to support them.

(Also more add damage lmao)

I think Max said something similar on their podcast. Sometimes going into content that isn't as high level with worse players can be useful because you have to perform under far from optimal contexts

[sly shore]

You can learn something at any level

[haughty rose]

What was the highest key ya'll pugged and timed as Sub in m+?

[lilac stag]

At every level you’re going to have this. RL trusts certain players not to fuck up important mechanics and then just prays when it’s a fight that involves everyone

[keen dome]

Yeah, absolutely. I know. I'm just saying.

[tribal blade]

i did 14s as sub and then swapped to sin

i did do 1 15 workshop to test it out

[lilac stag]

That was the week bleed build started if I’m remembering correctly.

[tribal blade]

YES

now i'm just bleed everywhere 😉

[oak grotto]

How do you remove those CPs? Below my char

[vale pine]

think you need a weakaura to do that

[tribal blade]

might be personal resources or something in game settings

[haughty mural]

Any BP buffs this week ?

[brittle plinth]

Bud you don't understand. Our defensives are so good that we have dodged any buffs for this long, it's like our cheat-death has no CD.

Untouchable.

[hazy breach]

Our defensives are really good, no meme there

[brittle plinth]

They transcend the game.

[haughty mural]

We are really tanky yes

[short radish]

our cheat death has no cd because we're never brought to content

[sullen hare]

Search Personal resource display in the game options

[brittle plinth]

Imagine this. Devs sit at a table and have small stuffed representations of each class. They grab a bunch of balls labeled buffs. They throw them at the stuffies.

We haven't gotten hit yet and it's surely do to our defensive ability to dodge everything agnostic of harm or benefit.

[slate marlin]

Do you rly think sub has a ball? lmao

[short radish]

here's a meme from 50 years ago

its still mostly relevant

[brittle plinth]

Beautiful

[brittle plinth]

Stuffies in this example

[young path]

I’m just hoping for a few minor tweaks for the spec:

A change to TFD that allows it to activate upon returning to real stealth (via vanish)

Aura or set bonus buff would be nice but honestly, TFD change would probably make up for aura/set bonus buff

Make goremaws viable to be a giga priority target ability somehow

[regal tinsel]

stupid question, i notice you get clear the witness if you shadowstrike different taget during shadow dance.

is it bad to change between target to keep reapplying deathstalker mark

[young path]

Perhaps it could take cleave damage and auto funnel it back into your target

[short radish]

you shouldnt be playing deathstalker

[pliant topaz]

I never got the fascination with goremaw, what’s the point? Just replace one button with another button? What problem does goremaw solve for you

[short radish]

just make TFD happen whenever you restealth in general and remove 6 seconds

[young path]

Yup

[sullen hare]

Either way you shouldn't be prioritizing clear the witnesses over shadow strike damage anyway

[regal tinsel]

on 5+ target wowhead guide say it's worth pressing

[hazy breach]

You get it whenever you reapply it with strike or darkest night

[vestal escarp]

pissmaw

[hazy breach]

But deathstalker kinda weak rn

[vestal escarp]

oh no i typed it

better delete that

[hazy breach]

The ideal way to play the aoe rotation in dance for deathstalker is to strike > finish > storm > finish > strike a new target to proc ctw and prevent you from proccing darkest night > repeat

And if you happen to get a refund from shadowcraft so you do 2 finishers instead and proc darkest night

Cancelaura it

Absolute dogshit gameplay loop

[regal tinsel]

ye, darkest night being pure ST kinda cringe. technically it's not, because it gives you clear the witness

[hazy breach]

Yes but a strike does the same thing

Deathstalker is just designed for assa and no effort went into making it usable or fun as sub

Id recommend just sticking with trickster since its numerically better and actually plays well

[haughty mural]

Or it has no cd because elusiveness is so good

[hazy breach]

I mean feint is the strong button

But randomly the strong button doesnt work, and then elusiveness is fine as a replacement, but unless you specifically know that you need elusiveness to survive something (like the nokhud arrows for example last expansion) its usually better to go cheat

Since elusiveness only works when feint doesnt, its not 40+20

And when feint works and when it doesnt is fairly random, but most of the time it works, even on things you might not expect

Like i said earlier, in DFC its only the random fireballs and the bleed on the first boss that feint doesnt work on

[alpine wraith]

also if anyone is curious you can still evasion soak mines in mug zee

[short radish]

yeah but you gotta face it correctly

[alpine wraith]

did a funny in a wipe call yday and went flying three times

you will still get the magic dmg

so have cloak or cheat

[hazy breach]

In priory its the random smites/fireballs/potshots and the beam from lightspawns

The beam is usually dangerous enough to warrant it but still worth keeping in mind

[strange chasm]

hmm you can soak mine with evasion and not take damage?

[hazy breach]

ye

[alpine wraith]

you take the magic part dmg

so cant soak 2 unless you have also cloak

at least i took a truckload of dmg

but didnt die on soaking 1

[short radish]

you also have to face it correctly

[haughty mural]

Thanks Eleem

Maybe I should use cd more then

[worn ivy]

still no sub changes?

[slate marlin]

yet

Still time for blue post

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-my-head-gif-9919689529495986094

[north schooner]

it just takes a long time to write that post because there are so many changes

[slate marlin]

Exactly

spellslinger rework for mages

[leaden prairie]

I'm more concerned about the fact we had no class changes in 11.1.5 and we still have none on .7 ptr

[slate marlin]

yes its very weird

tere were reworks last .5

and theres been major chsnges in every patch

but this one

i hope they arent sacrificing class development for hekili and 1 bottom dps

[swift tinsel]

how else will the ret paladins and bm hunters get their 99's?!

[slate marlin]

one would think good fantasy and tslent diversity appealed casuals

[leaden prairie]

I mean

They are

[slate marlin]

theres like 5 weeks or so for .7

but god if the only thing coming this patch is thst

[lilac stag]

think how glorious it’ll be, eat your burrito and raid at the same time! Peak WoW efficiency. Nothing but purple parses on a full stomach from here on out.

[slate marlin]

purple lmfao

[swift tinsel]

resubbing brb

[slate marlin]

more like green

[swift tinsel]

peak content

[lilac stag]

You get a belt.

[swift tinsel]

omg say less

[slate marlin]

belt and hekili

[swift tinsel]

truly the most blessed timeline

[slate marlin]

will be so fun to play other games

[lilac stag]

I guarantee someone with 1 button will get a purple parse. Idk which spec, but someone will.

[swift tinsel]

I'm gonna spend time outside getting rid of the sub-tuning depression weight gain

[alpine wraith]

dont worry you too can enjoy

being last on dps

maybe invite another sub rogue so you can go neck and neck

[slate marlin]

if no changes happen

sub will be even lower

[alpine wraith]

like a disabled marathon

[slate marlin]

remember amirdrassil

[swift tinsel]

if we had another max-level rogue in guild I'd try it lol

[slate marlin]

when wlogs didnt register clones

nd sub was last dps by far

[fallow nimbus]

Ridicule everyone who does less dps than the sub rogue

[slate marlin]

well, that

[alpine wraith]

but hey at least we are almost at 9m secret tech

we may get to 10m

with coorruption etc

[spare garnet]

ye would be nice

my max tectech is 8.7 atm

[glacial hinge]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[worthy relic]

wish they would bring this back but for sectech

[alpine wraith]

was nice yea

[vestal escarp]

57

[swift tinsel]

hey that's Fatal Intent damage!

[north schooner]

sounds too strong; how about a 3% buff to perforated veins instead?

[delicate wind]

When’s the sub article coming out so blizz can ignore it entirely like the rest of our spec 🙂

[keen dome]

Just publish the DPS chart with Sub below aug and call it a day, imo

[alpine wraith]

you can post many charts

[swift tinsel]

just throw this one in

no words

oh and this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923898501529600/1342596269193039943/9l2o5h.gif

[slate marlin]

why that one

better the one with subt below aug

[alpine wraith]

we have many with sub below aug

[round latch]

idk if i wanna cry or laugh at this point

[alpine wraith]

no need to post that one yea

[slate marlin]

dont worry guys

lorewalking coming

thats important too

[round latch]

[alpine wraith]

next week we will get the 35k mastery power spike

[slate marlin]

huge

still below aug

[haughty mural]

[slate marlin]

gg go next

[alpine wraith]

fighting hard to win vs tank warr inc

i can see it

[swift tinsel]

hey we're only bottom of the pile on 2 of the last 3 bosses

and on the last one we're 2nd from the bottom

[random hare]

its below aug now

check last week

not last 2 weeks

2 week ago aug was not buff

[swift tinsel]

fuu linked this before

presumably for the article

[alpine wraith]

yea we already talked that one is for the time the buffs came out

[brittle plinth]

Waiting for Sub one

[alpine wraith]

would be funny if the sub one was just 3 lines

[brittle plinth]

3rd line: burn after reading

[swift tinsel]

"Play something else, we're deleting it soon"

We'll get a hodgepodge tank spec bc people liked it in Season of Discovery

[dry plank]

Feels like that ))

[swift tinsel]

I mean that infographic I linked from fuu is pretty telling

"we don't have a plan for sub so we're just gonna let it bottom out, cya later nerds"

[alpine wraith]

likely devs were busy playing expedition 33 and poe2 and last epoch etc

understandable they dont look at sub

[swift tinsel]

Sin bleed build is the new hotness so rogues are good for a while

no need to look at anything else with the class

let them play with the bleedy new toys

put up the dev blinders

coast until 11.2

come up with good tier set for sub on ptr then destroy it a week before patch

[lilac stag]

Augmentation > Sub

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/mc-conaughey-true-detective-inspecting-gif-12133738717794012594

[alpine wraith]

tier set was like someone actually though about the spec

then some middle manager came

and looked at the graph

and said

NO

[lilac stag]

@vale pine can you make the mid season review just a haiku?

[swift tinsel]

lmao that honestly sounds right

[alpine wraith]

our reactions that day

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1322216801085427783/1371513368959123516/peter-griffin-crash-out.gif?ex=682368dc&is=6822175c&hm=139773bc903c6cf3b0e2a3d4194ee486d712e2c175ea34d956142a31577c79d0&

[hollow needle]

https://tenor.com/view/aran-tal-hunters-star-wars-hunters-star-wars-fire-gif-11457920401220105604

[keen dome]

i'm in

[dry plank]

That’s too much work. Someone ctrl+c ctrl+v other class set and use randomizer to replace the ability. That was dev part. Then week 1 tuning team put tuning in place coz set can’t give 40%

[keen dome]

to be fair, if they said "Yeah we didn't have time everyone was playing Expedtion 33"

I'd just go yeah that's fair it is the best game in recent memory

[alpine wraith]

yea or if they were like wod demo locks

we'd rather you not play sub

we would be like ok sure

in bfa they did the sneak

[copper vapor]

sup, do yall unbind shadowstrike for sprocketmonger

[alpine wraith]

what

[copper vapor]

well

to not dash on the back of the boss

[alpine wraith]

you mean shadowstep

[copper vapor]

shadowstrike

ah it only does it on the pull and vanish

whatever then

forgot about that

[vale pine]

lol

did they release it?

[slate marlin]

wait they release it whenever they want?

or is it shortly after u submit it

[vale pine]

every guide writer had the same deadline

the release shedule is decided by wowhead

[slate marlin]

guess it makes sense

[vale pine]

tho i think last time, i got at least a message before

but i don't think its released yet or was it?

[vale pine]

^ this one is in teh writeup

[delicate wind]

oh they havent released. even wowhead ignores sub existence

[vale pine]

thats why i was confused

but i also posed it in discord

they have 36? specs to cover

so they won't release all at once

[delicate wind]

yea just funny how they choose their order

wait until all the pre patch work is done and sub is untouched before they release the sub article inc

[vale pine]

blizz isn't planing more tuning to my knowlage

so its rly not like there is anything lost

[slate marlin]

is this sub final form then?

[swift tinsel]

I'll be quite surprised if there is any for sub before 11.2 ptr

likely it of the season

if I had to guess

[keen dome]

Yeah, I think it's likely

[pliant topaz]

-get
-fucekd
-dumbass
-xd

woops that was 4

[keen dome]

The season is, effectively, 'done' anyway I guess.

[delicate wind]

as of today here you go

[slate marlin]

Yeah probably

is it hard to do a 5% aura buff tho?

[swift tinsel]

right, meta is all but solidified and there'll be the usual end of season title push for folks

but no tuning to upset that

[keen dome]

The turbo boost will carry the rest of it since it's going to bring people up in power.

[slate marlin]

cant rly be cost intensive

[vale pine]

i mean we just see their old balancing strategy come back

[keen dome]

Yeah, and they're working on 11.1.7 so development is, I assume, fully on 11.2 and 11.2.5 so there's probably nothing much left.

C'est la via, is sad.

[vale pine]

what you saw the last 3 seasons is basically how legion and bfa worked

[slate marlin]

i was turbo casual bsck then

[delicate wind]

already canceled my sub (rogue and subscription)

[swift tinsel]

same

[delicate wind]

not coming back for a season buff just to get shit on again after week 1 of the new season

[keen dome]

I had a guy in Dornogal come up to me today and ask for some Sub tips. Poor guy.

[swift tinsel]

unless 11.2 is stellar idk if I'll play for a long while

[delicate wind]

even if it is stellar, they will bait and switch you for big nerfs and force you into sin again

[vale pine]

visions are very low effort content sadly

don't know if i rly want to spam visions

they are essentially 1:1 what we had in bfa but a bit easier

[delicate wind]

i am not doing visions and the belt is stupid and doesnt solve any problem

[keen dome]

I like the collectonism in WoW, achievement points, etc so it's just more of that fo rme.

I think the Belt is very stupid though. I don't think we need another circlet.

[delicate wind]

at least let me replace the stupid ring before i need the belt like ffs

[magic ruin]

Do you communicate with blizzard employees or what makes you think that this is the case? Just curious 😅

[pliant topaz]

it never is dude

[lilac stag]

No not yet. I figure there is still time for edits. Haiku seems perfect.

[pliant topaz]

they legit bait you every patch

[vale pine]

one of the simc folks mentioned devs already working on the next patch

[pliant topaz]

they get max to say some stupid shit like woah 11.1 best raid ever, we tried, super good, great patch

[keen dome]

What if they give us playable ethereals in 11.2

[pliant topaz]

then patch comes out, its dogshit

and then he bitches and does other shit

[slate marlin]

well i hope they work on the hero talents that are trash

[vale pine]

which makes me think they won't spend more time do tuning when their tuning patches are already out

[pliant topaz]

then comes back on next blizz paycheck.

guys 11.2
prb best patch ever

then cycle repeats

[keen dome]

I wish Blizz would pay me to say stuff in WoW is cool

[lilac stag]

This raid has been great for my level of CE.

Enjoying it tbh

[pliant topaz]

glad youre having fun

[keen dome]

It's really good at Heroic level, too

[magic ruin]

Didn’t they do a few small tuning tweaks late season 1?

[lilac stag]

it’s easy to shit on blizzard but the renown nerfs are at a good pace. The raid itself is enjoyable. Way better than season 1.

[slate marlin]

idk this is the point of the patch were i should be excited for .7, instead i am already bored of visions and cyrcle belt

[keen dome]

I think the Renown system is overall a really good idea I hope becomes the norm (with refinement)

We get a pseudo-enchant damage proc this reset, which is interesting.

[lilac stag]

I don’t like having to go into lfr for renown when we’re extending

[swift tinsel]

yeah at this point I'm pretty tired of chasing carrots

[pliant topaz]

its funny i actually just had this argument with my friend

he said its good that the dinar thing or w/e they call it doesnt give u max gear

one sec

[slate marlin]

i agree

[pliant topaz]

this was his argument

and it made me realize

people have been so braindwashed and gaslit by blizzard

that the game doesnt even need to give them anything good or meaningful

gatekeeping a 0.2% upgrade is a meaningful thing to them

actually gaslit the entire community

[swift tinsel]

Honestly thats close to a revelation I had when I played a game that had a definitive ending

[lilac stag]

it’s a bad luck protection systems. They should have changed the currency name. Every MF went to give me free gear.

[swift tinsel]

there's no moving goalposts

there's no chasing the smallest optimizations

[keen dome]

Blizz shouldn't have communicated it so poorly, but also who cares if someone doing LFR can get a Myth trinket

[swift tinsel]

you get resolution and it feels good

[keen dome]

It's a transient item

[pliant topaz]

its like why make a fun game, why create a reason that makes people enjoy the game and want to come back, when we can gatekeep the addiction of getting 0.x% upgrade to forcing them do farm

guilds (litearlly in top 50) are dropping players every single patch because people cant take the farm anymore

and theyre slowly waking up to the carrot and stick

its insane how wow manages to mindfuck you like that

[meager coyote]

rogues of the world

did they ufuck the shroud bug that hunters keep bitching about

[keen dome]

The actual system is a good one, if it was live with the launch of the season from the get-go. Really good idea. But the way they're doing it this season is hella stupid and a bad way to do it.

[lilac stag]

people aren’t waking up, it’s the cycle of growing up and having other responsibilities.

[keen dome]

It's also done a really good job of demonstrating how little Blizz care about the heroic-tier playerbase who can't go onto Mythic lol

[swift tinsel]

Yeah, or just shifting priorities in general

[lilac stag]

and coming to realize free time isn’t unlimited.

[pliant topaz]

idk some people ive talked to have litearlly said the gear farm chase / weekly reclears / are basically why they quit

like consequence lost 2 people to that this tier

[vale pine]

the problem with wow is, there is no similar universe and game to play instead

[pliant topaz]

prob best ww world

quit over not wanting to do farm anymore

[lilac stag]

if you only care about HoF you could push for 3 weeks out of the season and be on vacation until next season

[vale pine]

final fantasy is too diffrent to appeal to most wow players

[pliant topaz]

not raelly, u gotta farm and get your characters ready

u gotta keep up shit for split

[lilac stag]

You don’t

[pliant topaz]

u do

[lilac stag]

You could literally use all the catchup mechanics and have something ready in a week

[meager coyote]

if u get bis mythic gear from hc why go into mythic? 🤔

[lilac stag]

We had a BDK go from 70 to 665 in a week

[keen dome]

To raid?

If you just want gear? Fucking buy it lmao

[lilac stag]

so don’t pull this you have to farm shit

[meager coyote]

[pliant topaz]

when its 20 ilvls behind bis? so your splits next tier are fucked and slow? most guilds would rather make u keep up your characters, and your skillset.

look at liquid, they have 20 alts, why does each alt have to have a somewhat good amount of gear

[meager coyote]

good talk now someone tell me if shroud bug is fixed

[lilac stag]

665 is 20 ilvls behind?

[pliant topaz]

idk what ilvl is now and idrc

[keen dome]

So much of the system collapses because you can just use real money to buy a token to get a boost. There's no "Oh, only those deserving get the bet items"

[lilac stag]

Is your WW in liquid?

[wispy bolt]

685 is on Tuesday so yes it’s 20

[pliant topaz]

but theres a reason theyre not doing that

consequence

[keen dome]

Someone in my guild bought a Ansurek CE boost. It's meaningless outside of you personally finding meaning in doing that content

[lilac stag]

Right now it’s not. Our avg ilvl is 671. Legit 6 ilvls behind in 1 week.

It’s uncapped tomorrow

So in 2 weeks you have a max ilvl toon

Can literally afk and come back at the end of the season

And it won’t fucking matter

unless you have to pay out for RWF in mounts

[pliant topaz]

and do the farm, the thing they hate doing anyways LMFAO

[wispy bolt]

I mean yeah I don’t understand why anyone would push keys rn. Just wait for the last week of the season and turbo run

Infinite power increase all the time

[lilac stag]

Who fucking cares what liquid and echo do. They’re going to degen no matter what

Your HoF guild doesn’t.

Farm the Mount. Quit

Resub.

[pliant topaz]

crazy how theyre not donig that but okay

[wispy bolt]

It’s hard to justify paying for this game when not raiding just puts you in a second class citizen tier. I’m not tryna deal with 20 degens on content that is easier than +18 dungeons but no one has brains or hands to clear this late in the season somehow

[placid tendon]

you think raiders would have great gear if they did no m+?

[lilac stag]

That’s by choice, not by need. Only thing that may actually matter next tier is Kezan and they can all buy it now.

[pliant topaz]

parsings just been awful since season 1. this is a comment from a world 50 raider.

[lilac stag]

I guess you can quit and not farm

[wispy bolt]

I’m still just mad that “bad luck protection” doesn’t extend to any useful m+ gear

[lilac stag]

[wispy bolt]

I need a dagger for the gilded achievement

I already crafted one and I don’t want to craft another

[tepid trellis]

well he aint wrong

it is fcking dumb

[lilac stag]

Why not? It’s free

[wispy bolt]

I can craft in 2 weeks

Let me get it on Tuesday

With a dinar

[pliant topaz]

its jarrod. idk people are kinda really pissed off

[wispy bolt]

“Bad luck protection”

[tepid trellis]

like we are doing the fast strat on Mug'zee

and we STILL HAVE TO HOLD DMG

like???????

just cuz gear every week and then every third week

3% dmg

-.-

[lilac stag]

Just go play lost ark. Come back two weeks prior to start of next season

[tepid trellis]

not allowed unfortunately

[lilac stag]

“Allowed”

[pliant topaz]

its a guild. there are rules, you cant say its okay stealthi u dont have to do this thing that all 20 people here hate doing

because youre a cute trash panda

thats not fair

either everyone does it

or no one

u cant just say fuck u guild im out, cya in 3 months

[lilac stag]

and everyone should do it if they’re miserable

[pliant topaz]

then guild dies

[tepid trellis]

yeh

[lilac stag]

Nah

[pliant topaz]

k

[tepid trellis]

farm is just a necessary evil

[lilac stag]

if it’s what push used to say. Guild does more outside of wow. Maybe that’s changed

[median nacelle]

send jastors if i have hoc hc and what lol... u guys sending pacemaker myth track? with dinars

[lilac stag]

So 3 hours a week or what 4 boss kills keeps guild together. Then you can bugger off

[alpine wraith]

likely going to get jastor

[molten citrus]

i learned today folks in belgium aren't allowed to play lost ark 💀

[tepid trellis]

gambling laws

batchest

[molten citrus]

yeah

but it doesn't stop them from playing gacha games

cs2 and lost ark? illegal.
genshin and LoL? legal.
😭

[lilac stag]

Is heroic actually higher than a crafted ring?

I haven’t fucked around with the extra ilvl sims yet

[alpine wraith]

heroic is 665

but i can get mythic

[lilac stag]

ah didn’t realize you were raiding

[alpine wraith]

the fact they can play the fifa and madden games is funny

i was benched almost whole tier but didnt leave kinda

just was a rogue sucks unlucky

[uneven scarab]

glad i went mage the start of this tier man

[slate marlin]

subt sucks*

[uneven scarab]

feel like the main character rn

[slate marlin]

now? the past 10 years lmfao

[uneven scarab]

i played rogue those whole 10 years man

Ive lived in the shadows

not knowing what couldve been

[merry agate]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-gif-1321994803047082653

[brave moth]

When sub mid-expansion retrospective coming >

[vale pine]

soon™️

(i have no information on when they release it)

[lilac stag]

As soon as there’s a blue post with sub rogue changes.

[brave moth]

So???? Never ?

[vale pine]

lol

[vale pine]

i explained it earlier, they will roll them out slowly

[brave moth]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cat-dancing-kitten-60fps-boogie-cat-gif-24303276

[swift tinsel]

they'll probably do a few a day

[brave moth]

They will throw us 1% dmg to all spells every week for the next 2 months

and we will be "happy"

[swift tinsel]

lmao sure

[alpine wraith]

i mean a 4% buff would be enoug

to be middle of the pack at least

if they want to be lazy

[swift tinsel]

or

embrace the truly lazy

and give us nothing

[brave moth]

Give me 5% buff to BP and I will be happy

just something

[swift tinsel]

nah we get nothing

maybe a lil something with 11.2 but not as much as everyone else (again)

tasted true power on 11.1 ptr and it scared them

[sullen hare]

5% increased shadow strike damage at the cost of 3% eviscerate damage

[swift tinsel]

don't give them ideasssss

[plush roost]

Backstab buffed by 2%

[sullen hare]

oh, and another 10% buff to black powder, obviously

[swift tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-spray-begone-goaway-gif-13162288

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-21861194

sub rogue development at bliz hq

[brave moth]

there is no sub rogue development

idk if sub is lower prio than surv

[fallow nimbus]

Lowest prio, not even mentioned in any meetings

[swift tinsel]

since surv just got a pack leader rework that fits very well with their kit, I'd say they're more prio than sub

[fallow nimbus]

Removing the spec would be more attention for it than anything else

[lilac stag]

That was more a BM rework that SV got to enjoy

[brave moth]

Basically this

[lilac stag]

Hunters got a good amount of attention across the board. Basically what assa got and what outlaw and sub didn’t get.

It also helps being one of the most popular classes in the game.

[brave moth]

Ya lets not compare class to specs

But I feel like sub is good for the first few months of patch

and then everything else gets buffed and sub is left in the dirt

[honest saddle]

sub was ok the first few weeks of patch

like first 3 weeks

its been below average since

and now its the worst spec in the game

fucking aug does more damage than us now... AUG

[lilac stag]

You had 2 upgrades this tier. Weapon and 4pc. Everything else minimal.

[delicate wind]

And you got those week 1 and two basically

Then you got ilvl scaling and then the only way ur dps goes up is by raid buffs on time gating

[swift tinsel]

It was super fun watching my damage week over week increase but my position on meters drop from top 3, to top 5, to middle, to bottom third

[delicate wind]

My fav part is orange parsing to lose to green parses on other classes

[lilac stag]

When your spec discord is trying to rationalize how to get HoC when you have transmitter you know there are issues.

[delicate wind]

Oh 99 parse. Well enjoy 8th dps spot

[brave moth]

I check my sub parses on HC 95/98

I spec ass. Do 90s 85s

300k more dps on ass than sub

NOICE

[delicate wind]

Ya and I refuse to go sin

Even have another sin rogue asking me when I’ll go sin so I can help him with his low parse issues

Like bro your green parses still more dps than my orange why care

[lilac stag]

What is there to help with? Hit envenom more

[delicate wind]

Idk I don’t play sin so I can’t help

[honest saddle]

it has 60 apm

or less

maybe 60

[lilac stag]

Less

[delicate wind]

I looked at the rotation once and was like ya seems ez idk

[honest saddle]

as long as you keep bleeds up, and you do your 1-2 min burst windows correctly, there really isnt much you can do

the min max is making sure you dont use thistle tea outside of cds

WOWWWWWWW

SO HARD

[slate marlin]

couple more hours for them to release blue post

[brave moth]

ass is so dumbed down now

[teal prawn]

That would be like .2 in the absolute best situations so you just macro to shiv and forget about it.

[lilac stag]

Sub is 56 apm. Assa 52 I believe.

[teal prawn]

Anyways what do I macro HOC to

[brave moth]

I think you just have to only manage energy now

nothing to fuck up

[honest saddle]

I just did 2 binds for shiv, one with tea and one without

[teal prawn]

Shiv is during cds why would you not want tea then anyways

[delicate wind]

I’m still using lfr HoC bc rng hates me and I’m stuck

[void ocean]

aaand the garbage bastard is dead, rejoice!!!!!!!!!

[honest saddle]

cant use 2 teas every cd set

only 1

so you shiv the first part

[lilac stag]

Because you want to overthink the spec.

[honest saddle]

and shiv tea the second

[teal prawn]

Yeah i mean that isn’t gaining you any damage

[honest saddle]

yeah it does

its just minimal

since shiv gives you mastery

and you want that mastery to come at the end of kingsbane when its doing more dam

[teal prawn]

Kb is worth less than a darkest night envenom these days

That’s df stuff

Anyways what do I macro HOC to on sub

[lilac stag]

Blades

[teal prawn]

Kk ty

[brave moth]

I bought HoC for 260k this week

and gonna replace it with mythic one in 2 days

[delicate wind]

260k gold? So you’re saying it dropped at least? I haven’t even seen it drop yet

No drop no vault

[void ocean]

bruh if u killed Bandit M, u dont need any more gear 😄

[delicate wind]

I haven’t done that so either I have to buy the kill or get a heroic version with dinars which I honestly don’t even have a lot of interest in. Idk how that system works. I kind of checked out lately of the new stuff

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-disgust-gif-14056253443273255719

[haughty rose]

@keen dome would you inv me to your mythic run with a note like that?

[brave moth]

You have nothing better to buy

[delicate wind]

I mean I have to do something that involves playing the game that isn’t my 10s for the week or raid? Bc if so I’m out lol

Sub is expiring in like 2-3 weeks anyways

[void ocean]

sub expired in preseason mate

oh u mean subscription

nvm

[keen dome]

lmao yes that would absolutely make me laugh

[void ocean]

😄

[brave moth]

You can do 4 lfr bosses and get HoC on HC with dinars

[haughty rose]

and it worked. got an invite to a +10 within 2 or so minutes lmao

[keen dome]

Hahaha

[delicate wind]

Are dinars just not out then? I did last 3 of hc and first 3 of mythic this week

[keen dome]

It's not reset yet

[brave moth]

next week

[keen dome]

Tomorrow in the US, Weds for EU iirc

[brave moth]

in 1/2 days (depends on region)

[delicate wind]

Oh okay so tomorrow I can afk 4 lfr bosses and then go buy hc hoc?

[alpine wraith]

yea

[latent finch]

You just need to afk 2 bosses if your really lazy

[haughty rose]

thats kinda... weird no?

[brave moth]

nah

it is gucci

Or do 4x12s

[haughty rose]

ok then i want mythic HoC for clearing HC

seems fair