subtlety

[stoic sphinx]

careful what you wish for that sounds like a nerf bat waiting to happen

[tribal blade]

WHY THE FUCK IS BRANN ATTACKING EVERYHING IN THIS DELVE AND PULLING ME OUT OF STEALTH

imma bout to lose my shit

fixed itself when brann pulled a billion things and i finally died

[thorny rivet]

Whats squirt scaling

[brisk onyx]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/aoe-in-patch-9-1-5-the-math-behind-aoe-soft-caps-and-square-root-scaling-324101

[thorny rivet]

Oh mb, I tried to make a funny

I got fact checked asap

[alpine wraith]

neve stop believing

even in the darkest times

[drifting fable]

https://tenor.com/view/uncle-bao-uncle-bao-cat-baobao-gif-5308131921150327723

people need to stop crashing out

Ive learned that a long time ago

[short radish]

people need to stop getting mad at things they cant control

[worn ivy]

yo whats going on

[short radish]

@short radish stop getting mad at sub being shit

[worn ivy]

im late to party

tell me something good is happening

[short radish]

nimble flurry got fixed

[worn ivy]

do we have hotfix patchj

we dont

[tidal marsh]

[molten citrus]

Wut

[worn ivy]

how they fixed it without patch

[molten citrus]

Huh

[molten citrus]

A hotfix is called a hotfix because it does not require a patch

[worn ivy]

ohhh

[tidal marsh]

has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[drifting fable]

legit

[wide kernel]

Holy pally provides cdr external?

[drifting fable]

been that mindset since original HO nerfs in vault

[short radish]

autumn

[wide kernel]

Is it good?

[short radish]

depends on class

its good for fire mages

[wide kernel]

Sub?

[short radish]

no

[wide kernel]

We are like all cds

[short radish]

because it desyncs from trinket

[wide kernel]

How much of cdr is it

[hazy breach]

10s every 3 minutes

[short radish]

30% or something

[hazy breach]

30% faster cds for 30 seconds, so 10s overall

[short radish]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[hazy breach]

And they use it roughly at 45s and then roughly every 3 minutes

[wide kernel]

Every 3 min?

[short radish]

there is 0 chance

sub rogue is getting it

[wide kernel]

Ty

[short radish]

do not even request for it

let them have their own CD

[wide kernel]

I mess around with comps sometimes

[wide kernel]

Ellesmere is using it on fire mage

[short radish]

yes its good for fire

[pliant topaz]

1 button rotation? finally unc @scana can parse again

aww sad forgot hes not here

:c

aight dm time

[wide kernel]

The thing is how's it not even a conversation if we actively use small cds to farm cdr

[twilit phoenix]

Ellesmere sounds like a bottom

[lilac stag]

what else can you summon the power of blizzard to fix?

[short radish]

because we dont get cdr on flag/blade

fire essentially gets cdr on that

we do not

[wide kernel]

It would effect the cdr of flag though yes

[short radish]

yes but our base CDR reduction stuff

does not affect it

[wide kernel]

It's probably a nothing burger but I go look into it

[short radish]

look at fire

and see how fire CDR works

[wide kernel]

I understand how it works yeah

[short radish]

you know how it differs from sub CDs then

autumn gets double impact essentially

well

fire gets double impact

sub doesnt really

we dont even get an extra dance

[wide kernel]

My question was does this impact flag enough to bring it's cd to somewhere near where we use our small cds

It would desync trinkets though so yeah

[short radish]

yeah

desyncs trinket

so its pointless

no point reducing 1:30 to 1:20

and holding for 10 seconds

[wide kernel]

It would actually bring ork racial to like 92.5 cd though

Whatever that's worth

Wait

Yeah 92.305 but idk where it goes from there

[short radish]

either way

desync trinket

all a big nothing burger

[lilac stag]

If you’re holding 3 seconds for Megan racial maybe decent but doubt that would be enough to warrant it.

Toss it on a spec that actually does dmg.

[wide kernel]

Maybe a dance and symbols too who knows

[wicked urchin]

i'm kickin ass on bandit so far

fun sub fight

[random hare]

can flag be parried still?

ior

is it just kingsbane that got fixed and we're left out?

[lucid jackal]

Never could be afaik

[random hare]

nah it was able to get parried in the past

im 100% sure

idk if it still can

we have fazed tho so that doesnt matter rly atm

[lucid jackal]

I'm 99% sure it can't be parried

[random hare]

cuz u become immune to parry anyway with that

im 100% sure it used to get parried

atleast in SL

[lucid jackal]

I played DS for a lot of nerbuar farm

[random hare]

because i remember not being able to get flag stacks

[lucid jackal]

And sub in DF

[random hare]

because of parry

it was haunting

its like

dying with 5 buffs

as outlaw

cannot forget

[lucid jackal]

Think it got changed as a talent

[random hare]

maybe ye

[lucid jackal]

Cuz I never had it happen to me a single time all of DF

But I remember getting KB parried multiple times

[random hare]

yeah KB is definitely common

[wide kernel]

Subtlety
Trickster: Fixed an issue that could cause Nimble Flurry to strike below the maximum number of available targets when fighting near dead enemies.

Blizzard claims they fixed sub as well

[alpine wraith]

flag can be parried

just it does not happen often

also only on boss fights

but now that i think about it i cant remember the last time it happened

since sl

but i had not fond memories of fucken denathrius parrying my flag

[wide kernel]

Is this bug fix going to buff our dps at all

[past marlin]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[round latch]

gets parried in pvp but dunno if thats a thing in pve

on the rare side of things though

[distant bison]

anyone tried deathstalker in specific aoe heavy dgs? brew flood priory?

[alpine wraith]

just dont

[rocky ocean]

the forbidden hero talents

[vale pine]

its a pain to play but is fine

[wide kernel]

trickster is better

[cloud rover]

KEK

[tribal blade]

wait is this real

1 button rotation assistant in wow

am i dreaming

[keen dome]

no

It'll be a good accessivbility feature and for casual play I think but above that.. nah.

[tribal blade]

it's just hilarious

[keen dome]

I hate Stix in pugs. I spend so much time fighting crabs left alone by ranged so horrible damage or we wipe

People are so bad at WoW, aaaaa

[short radish]

it'll be great for when i need to do LFR on my alts

[keen dome]

Haha, true

Just looking at the screen is an advantage in LFR though

[vale pine]

haha yes

but i also think many want it to be dissabled at least in mythic raids

[tribal blade]

it's just so weird

such a weird thing to put development time into

when there are so many other bigger things they. could be doing

[warm marlin]

fair warning for those reclearing

sprocket appears to die before the 5min flag

so probably worth doing the risky flag at 3min instead so u dont miss a cast

[fallow nimbus]

Can't delay flag at anytime any more

[warm marlin]

ye this reclear was brutal

mugzee dies 3s before dm comes up, bandit dies with 10s left before dm comes up, sprocket dies with 2s left before blades comes up

[fallow nimbus]

Just run after him and dodge the traps

[warm marlin]

got to be very ethical on rik though

[short radish]

ethical cleave

[vestal escarp]

"the game you want to play is not the game they want to make"

[keen dome]

that's true because they won't put pet battles in raids

[lilac stag]

I think I’m tapping out after this tier

them putting resources into that shit over the classes

[keen dome]

Had an extremely good Heroic Bandit pull. Massive damage. Glorious. Wiped. The kill is way worse. Every time.

[lilac stag]

Welcome to “reclears are turn off brain mode “

[keen dome]

It's always a pug for me.

[dark folio]

Hey, i've been playing rogue for about 4 weeks and im at around 670 ILVL now and mained assassination but i want to try sub rogue too. What should i aim to change my stats? Im also using hekili to get used to rotations, is it fine?

[tight monolith]

mostly focus on getting more vers

[dark folio]

Is it worth to swap my algari for crafted items?

[tight monolith]

but I mean you can prob try out fine with those stats but yeah in a more ideal setup you prob have 20-30 percent vers

[tight monolith]

not for testing no

maybe try get a high vers ring instead of your cinderbrew ring

maybe if you got 2 vers m+ rings run them both and drop circlet

[dark folio]

Oh i can try to look for that

[vestal escarp]

1 sim the stuff you have in bags on raidbots and different talent setups cause they work differently with secondaries
2 drop it

[lilac stag]

Yeah but you have pugs reclearing. Menty doesn’t change no matter the difficulty.

[keen dome]

You'd think it was the first time some of those people saw the boss

Pugs and reclearing is a strange beast because no one pug group will behave the same, so there's always a lot more random variance.

[lilac stag]

Hekili is adaptive. So…. Not really. You can maybe figure out the basics, but your dps gonna be shit without understanding of the interactions.

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[dark folio]

Gonna need to check a lot of stuff...

[dark folio]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aW8XaHqsuFb9aGQNGd6FyK Well that's the highest i got since i don't have items in my bags :/

[lilac stag]

Sim Patchwerk 5 mins

or dslice for gearing options

[dark folio]

Aity

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eM9qjwZD4hgWCajksXYSRk

[lilac stag]

Now drop any haste you can

And get HoC or the PvP badge

Priory is shit for sub

[keen dome]

We always want a trinket that lines up with our cooldowns (So 1:30) to explain why.

[dark folio]

HoC gonna be hard :/

[keen dome]

PvP badge is a very good alternative until we get the cartel coins

[dark folio]

Algari comp medallion?

[dark folio]

Oh thanks

[keen dome]

It's a 1 minute cooldown, but we use it as a 1:30

Our cooldowns (Blades and Flag) are 1:30, and we want to fit as much damage and power into their windows as possible. Hence why Signet is bad, but HoC / PvP is very good.

[dark folio]

Oh got it, gonna check them out

Thanks!

[odd sandal]

!sims

[wicked jolt]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[odd sandal]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[glacial orbit]

was the nimble flurry bug fixed ?

[lilac stag]

Don’t think it got pushed yet

According to Blue Post it was.

[junior prawn]

This is so funny that its a good trinket for sub lmao

[hazy breach]

It just shows how awful all trinkets are this season

[sly shore]

this is hekili

it seems to be like

40% worse dps output than playing correctly

on average at least

so would recommend learning to play the spec properly

from the start

this is not me calling you a bad player btw @dark folio just the tools you are using to learn are not really... optimal

[dark folio]

I was using hekili from the start, i know i need to stop using it cuz i realized its not optimal

Giving me to use rupture w 15 sec cd left n stuff but didnt realize it till yesterday xD

[keen dome]

It's all learning

And practice

[dark folio]

Used to play healer so i know im not god at dps tbh

[sly shore]

sub isn't worth playing without a trinket

so uh

get house of card or pvp badge

someone said that already

[dark folio]

Gonna try hoc cuz i dont play pvp enough to buy badge

[keen dome]

You don't have to pvp to get it, for what it's worth

Warmode -> join a Warcrate group -> 60 conquest per box. They spawn in each zone every 30? minutes.

Takes a bit, but it's super chill.

HoC is the better option, but the pvp badge doesn't require pvp if you need another choice 🙂

[dark folio]

Oh, can try it after this weeks heroic i guess

Trying to hit 2m dps w assass but not gonna happen w hekili 😦

[keen dome]

It will with practice. Just keep on keepin' on. We all start somewhere.

Ditch hekili and just have some fun practicing. Best way to do it, imo.

[dark folio]

Aity, will do my best 🙂

[lilac stag]

tbf hekili should give you a near perfect assa prompt. It’s a very predictable spec.

but yes, just keep working on understanding the specs and practice

[vestal escarp]

oh.....

[void ocean]

so now we delay flag on Rik after the first Amp?

or just eat the hit and remove the stun with racial 😄

[vale pine]

send cooldowns on barrels

[lilac stag]

Thinking there will be barrels up for more than 2 seconds in the opening. VERY BOLD OF YOU

[void ocean]

the worst fckin feel when melee ones get blown up and then theres that one bastard far away that rangers couldnt get

"all melee go help"

[lilac stag]

That’s legit the only reason to play sub there

[jaunty heath]

Is it just a random normal thing or does evasion not work anymore on rik amplification

[keen dome]

It doesn't work anymore

[jaunty heath]

Bruh

why the fuck

[keen dome]

Good question

I saw a rogue die to it today which was funny

[jaunty heath]

I just got sent to sleep too doing normal for rep before raid

i was confused af

[lilac stag]

Faster to do last 4 bosses in lfr on an alt

at least on reset day it’s super quick

you may actually only need the two wings come to think of it

[keen dome]

Yeah

Gally gives a load iirc

[jaunty heath]

sprocket is enough

like first through sprocket

[keen dome]

Yeah

[jaunty heath]

and with que times and lfr asspulling between bosses

[keen dome]

Normal is probably easier and faster

In my experience, anyway. normal has been more efficient and easier than LFR by a mile

[jaunty heath]

same lfr is too much of a shitshow xd

[keen dome]

the difficulty curve is fascinating this tier

[lilac stag]

Lfr on reset day is pro gamer mode

done with rep in 30-35 mins this week

[tribal blade]

i did 1 wing of lfr for rep which went fine

except for the group mass pulling trash

[keen dome]

haha

[tribal blade]

and then the healers being completely incapable of keeping anyone alive

and it just turned into 5-10 mins of everyone dying, running back and then dying all over again

actual clown show

i also held cds on pull of rik for adds

...that never came

🙂

still topped meters using cds 15 secs into the pull

[lilac stag]

cart boss gone crazy

[keen dome]

Flag not resetting on wipes is so fucking infuriating

[lilac stag]

imagine making qol adjustments to make the player experience better

[amber crow]

how much dps does this bugfix give us?

[wooden hare]

Does anyone know where to find how many guilds have killed each boss in raid? Trying to see how it compares to previous tiers

[paper iron]

yea idk how they made blades reset but not flag

[keen dome]

Right?? lmao

[paper iron]

if nothing reseted it would be better

[hazy breach]

Well blades was 2 minutes

[paper iron]

idk why blades as a 90s reset now

yea ofc eleem but that s so weird

[hazy breach]

Because it was 2 minutes

They havent purposefully made it reset after it was 90s

They just didnt change it

[paper iron]

does that mean they whitelist reseting spells 1 by 1 when coding them?

[lilac stag]

welcome to wow

[paper iron]

i smell spagetthi coding

[hazy breach]

Yes, just like they specifically list stuff that gets reset when keys start/boss pulls

[lilac stag]

first time playing?

[paper iron]

yes

i m new hello

[lilac stag]

try r/wownoob

[paper iron]

Try dn

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/jfab-borat-gif-27479733

[keen dome]

Had a pug where the lead was very confidently giving Bandit tactics for Gallywix

[fierce cedar]

how long do i want an enemy to live for rupture to be worth using?

or do we even know that lol

[void hound]

around 8 seconds i believe

[fierce cedar]

oh

that seems little

is it that strong

[void hound]

sub rupture is not bad

[fierce cedar]

[lilac stag]

12 Iirc

Basically if cds are up you send them. If tank is gathering you rupture

[hazy breach]

Practically you just apply a rupture if youre not in dance and the target isnt dying immediately after you apply it

[lilac stag]

Outside of CDs use it as CDR

[honest brook]

after fix you think sub playable a little o still on parking

[fleet hearth]

hi everyone, is simming sub with dungeon slice a good idea or not ?

[keen dome]

Dungeon Slice is fine, yeah.

[worldly cove]

el rogue sutileza en pvp no es muy bueno poco dps.....

[lilac stag]

The fix doesn’t change anything.

[regal tinsel]

is MDT route sim or dslice reliable for sub rogue?

[hazy breach]

Theyre fine ye

I would recommend dslice though, gives pretty much the same results as MDT routes except it takes way less time

[wild hornet]

mfw no more logs

[sharp lake]

Oh quick q, does a finisher with two supercharged combo points in the bank do the same amount of damage as a finisher with one supercharged combo point in the bank?

I always thought that more supercharged available = more combo points spent but I’m realizing that might be wrong

[hazy breach]

Yes, its not +6 when you have 2 charges

Its +3 on 2 finishers

[sharp lake]

okay thank you that makes things much easier

also is there a way to know if I can squeeze two dances inbetween cooldowns or not? I think I’m losing a lot of throughput by holding too many shadow dances.

[autumn condor]

I've not played Rik since the evasion amp change, but if you are using CDs for barrel damage are you better sending them before the first amp and accepting the GCD loss, or sending after the first amp and accepting sectech/CB coming up a little after the first barrel spawn and then it being further delayed for the last add set of P1?

Or just send on pull now and FF it

[haughty mural]

damn - sins don't need us anymore
kingsbane cant be parried anymore

[swift tinsel]

[vale pine]

lol

[hybrid prism]

did we get any buffs yet

[keen dome]

Only in our hearts.

[alpine wraith]

nice

only took almost 9 years

time flies

[wise fulcrum]

I'm clearly missing something when it comes to playing assasination. Are there stat break points or something?

[alpine wraith]

maybe it is your calling

[wise fulcrum]

oops! wrong thread

[limpid sage]

Dw there’s as much talk about assa in here anyway xd

[lilac stag]

There’s no stat breaks

Just get gear for assa

[young path]

At least the 11.1.7 rogue set recolor looks cool

[prisma rain]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rapid torrent]

Hello posted this on assassination page too but also had the question here. Anyone use magnet trinket?

Do you just send it with HoC during flag/shadowblades?

[twilit phoenix]

can't use two trinkets at the same time

so you'll use HoC with you flag, and then magnet 20 seconds later

use it on CD, but hold it if you have your flag window coming up

so you don't put HoC on the shared CD

[rapid torrent]

oh yeah forgot about the 30s cd, thank you

[lilac stag]

wont need the mog when you cancel subscription

[rapid torrent]

tbh im not that good at sub already so i might just play pacemaker (0.2% less on sim) because i'll just fuck it up lol

[raw wigeon]

buff sub pls ty

or rework it

ty

[honest brook]

6 week i think i killed bandit and never hoc droped its not funny ?

[keen dome]

It's how it goes

Last season I killed Ky'veza every single week on heroic and saw it drop the tinket twice over.. however many weeks

[lilac stag]

6 kills don’t mean 💩

[honest brook]

and on normal only2-3 drop with thousand rolls

[lilac stag]

get to killing normal and lfr

or just farm the pvp badge

You have options

complain about trinket drops. Reactions with a lulz skullz

Glhf

[keen dome]

Complaining about it is a way to make it drop sometimes, though

[honest brook]

idk i think its weird 6week back to back i never seen hoc drop

[lilac stag]

we’ve never seen a mythic bow drop

loot is going to loot

Hense people wanting BlP. Getting it and still fucking complaining like a bunch of bitches

Less than 2 hours of open world farming and you can have a very solid on use trinket.

[young path]

Very good point!

Not sure if the sub rogue / WoW dopamine addiction will be able to overpower my frustration with the game anymore

It’s getting close

[lilac stag]

Fun is just dwindling. Really don’t like where they’re going with addons

when you have core gameplay issues (specs) not getting addressed

to each their own of course

[lucid jackal]

The only issue with sub rn is its undertuned idk

I think all 3 rogue specs are fun rn

[keen dome]

I think Sub could use some QoL stuff but it's so subjective that it's probably my personal feelings. Def agreed on undertuned.

[young path]

I watched the Asmond take on that interview and I think he’s on point with his comments

[lucid jackal]

Who?

[young path]

Asmongold

[lucid jackal]

Why would I listen to somebodys opinion on the game, when he hasn't played the game for like over 6 years

And hasn't played the game seriously in over a decade

[young path]

Then don’t? But doesn’t change the fact I agree with his comments

I don’t care lol

[keen dome]

I wouldn't listen to that man on anything.

[lilac stag]

Each spec has a version that works and a set of hero talents that are a fucking joke. How fun is sub going to be when DS gets buffed and there’s no reason to play trickster?

[lucid jackal]

I don't like ds for sub but I don't really hate it

I played it a lot in nerubar

[lilac stag]

in general wow spec development leaves a lot to be desired

but that’s me

[slate marlin]

? Why would u play ds atm

[lilac stag]

you wouldn’t unless trying to fulfill ultimate hipster fantasy

[slate marlin]

Aaah ok slow english i got it

[lucid jackal]

Yeah I mean wow sucks in a lot of ways

[young path]

I’ve been messing around with DS in 15 resil keys… if u can get your tank in comms and pull right, it’s got a niche

It falls off by the end though

[lucid jackal]

But I've played a lot of games for a lot of years to learn that every developer sucks ass

Look at GGG rn with PoE 2

Game is in an actual nightmare state

GGG was like the golden child of gamers

[lilac stag]

I rather just save the monthly fee at this point

[lucid jackal]

I mean thats fair

If ur not having fun, why bother

[lilac stag]

guildies

But they ain’t paying sub fee

Just raid logging would be ideal. lol

[lucid jackal]

I enjoy so much out of time raid

Like casual stuff

[lilac stag]

I like delves

[slate marlin]

I enjoy wow, sometimes community is frustratikg af tho

[lilac stag]

They ain’t worth a sub though

They should also scale higher

[lilac stag]

Ez. Ignore community.

[swift tinsel]

endless delve scaling would be kinda fun

[keen dome]

Delve+

[lilac stag]

like the beta version of torghast was fning amazing

[swift tinsel]

Brann would need a few course-corrections

[lilac stag]

Then they neutered it

[lucid jackal]

They are adding new delve shit in on 11.1.7

Like harder stuff

[swift tinsel]

resubbing

[void hound]

this is kinda true, most people suffer from immense "grass is greener on the other side" syndrome

[lilac stag]

We shall see what actually makes it out and what it is

[swift tinsel]

I'm looking forward to more Borderlands 4 info

[lilac stag]

My other side is dog training. Grass def greener running around with the border collies

[void hound]

W

raid logging is used as a pejorative, but playing + touching grass is insane mental tech

[lilac stag]

I’d like sub out m+ time with focusing more on davinci resolve learning

having a group to run with is nice. Was able to cut out LFG simulator

[vale pine]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[lilac stag]

Assuming this wouldn’t be even that hard to implement

[jaunty heath]

!tricks

[wicked jolt]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[swift tinsel]

nah it could easily be like m+ where its just % hp/damage per level

its already a pretty fun time-sink with tangible reward

[pearl charm]

does nimble flurry cleave from me or the target?

[lilac stag]

Theyd likely need to scale the usable treasures power as well

[void ocean]

IT HAPPENED, GUYS, REJOICE!!!1

[keen dome]

Hell yeah!

High5 for a good evening.

I just got a 91 on Stix Heroic which, as it was my weakest fight, makes me very happy.

[void ocean]

mythic?

[keen dome]

Heroic 🙂

[frank narwhal]

!symbols

Is there a command to view the macro to avoid double usage of Symbols by mistake?

[keen dome]

!sod

[wicked jolt]

Macro to prevent accidental uses of extra charges: #showtooltip Symbols of Death /castsequence reset=2 Symbols of Death,null /cqs

[frank narwhal]

Ah, cheers

[wide kernel]

ptr went live and no class changes?

[sullen hare]

A tale as old as time

[wide kernel]

blizzard, you gotta get your crap together

us sub rogues are fiending for viability 😦

[sullen hare]

It's not like sub is completely unviable

[wide kernel]

just mostly

[keen dome]

just become the raid leader. then you are always viable

[wide kernel]

the problem with that is the raid starts threatening to replace you

[swift tinsel]

They’ve got a bunch of new systems, tuning will likely come later if they’re planning on doing any

[keen dome]

We'll get big in 11.2, it'll be good.

for a week

[swift tinsel]

Big in 11.2 ptr, then nerfed big

again

them knees be jerkin

[burnt loom]

what's your guild doing that a rogue holds it back? the 9% damage buff just made it live

[wide kernel]

it was a joke

sub is really bad in raid though

[lucid jackal]

Sub doesn't need a redesign or anything just an aura buff

They aren't gonna do an aura buff on the first patch of 11.1.7

[shy ermine]

I agree sub doesn’t need a redesign, but I think it does need positional requirements removed for proccing find weakness with backstab

It’s 2025 and you can’t get behind the boss in some encounters

[lilac stag]

shadowstrike says hello there

[round latch]

Sub is a fundamentally broken spec by tapping into extreme dmg with shadowdance.It needs someone that can make it and keep it as simple as possible so ppl can play it.Ive never tried the spec into highend myth progress etc but as far as pvp goes ive had ppl quitting rogue because the spec is just too complicated/extreme.

[sharp lake]

my hot take is that sub is fine and great they just need to remove symbols of death

[round latch]

ok thats crazy even for me

[lucid jackal]

The spec literally has nothing going on without symbols atm

[round latch]

symbols basicly enables the entire spec

[lucid jackal]

Sub is very simple rn, it's just undertuned idk

[round latch]

yeah it doesnt have the edge compared to sin

i rly love sub and ild be more than happy to play it again

[lilac stag]

This person just want dance strike 85% of the time

[lucid jackal]

I mean it was better all last tier and it was better for prog until buffs

Every time a spec is undertuned people jump to "we need a huge patch"

[lilac stag]

if we compare it to mage. Our burst isn’t high enough. Our lows are too low. Delete

[round latch]

yeah idk,i dont even play rogue atm outside arena im into mage stuff

its jsut strogner

overall

above all 3 rogue specs

easy

[lilac stag]

I don’t want crazy dmg outside of CDs but ain’t no way it should be tank dps

[sharp lake]

rogue is in a weird spot where i think all the specs have cool gameplay for us sickos but most players try to pick up a rogue and hate how like energy works

[burnt loom]

i'd start by deleting danse macabre from existence, casting backstab in dance feels dirty

[round latch]

yeah dont like it either

ild buff stab or gb

and FFS give the spec an avatar button

[sharp lake]

i love dance macabre 😔

[round latch]

holyFck

[swift tinsel]

that sounds boring

adding another cd

[round latch]

could as well be passive

[swift tinsel]

that's just does x% more damage

[round latch]

could be immunity

or miniwall

[lilac stag]

Most players hate how boring the visuals are. There’s zero ability feedback

[swift tinsel]

on top of sod, dance, flag, blades

[round latch]

something sub-unique

[swift tinsel]

we don't need another cd to juggle

people get brainmelt from what we have already in that dept

[sharp lake]

true this is part of why I hate symbols of death its a nothing button

[swift tinsel]

huh

[lilac stag]

it’s not a nothing button

It’s literally the linchpin of the spec

[swift tinsel]

^^

[round latch]

sod is the jetfuel for sub

[lilac stag]

every rogue ability is a nothing button if you base it off visuals alone

[round latch]

u cant play without it

[lilac stag]

and this is why people don’t like rogue they don’t understand the basics of it

[swift tinsel]

yup and they cba to learn

[sharp lake]

shadow dance is the cool thing about sub, sod is a button I have to push to add +% to my damage

[swift tinsel]

and to grant supercharger

and shadowcraft

[sharp lake]

shadowcraft is neat i’ll give you that

[young fog]

x% dmg

[round latch]

''every 4rth shadowdance the rogue draws more power from the shadows increasing the dmg by X amount and triggers fury of the destroyer''(fangs of the father proc)

hows that for a final node

[vale pine]

sounds annoying

to play around

more things to track

[tepid trellis]

ive got change

rdy fuu

"when you spec Subtlety you will finally do dmg"

thats all we need

[vale pine]

haha true

tuning def. is a problem

[lilac stag]

Blizzard. Got it. Buff BP, Rupture & Backstab

[proper fulcrum]

Give sub an exclusive 500% buff on rupture

[paper iron]

I dobt like ur idea stealthi

I dont play à triple dps class

To do damage

[fickle jolt]

does anyone know acquiring dinar gear is gonna work? can i buy a heroic pacemaker and upgrade it to mythic once i do the 12s or am i gonna have to wait until i do 12s to get the pacemaker

[lilac stag]

If it’s not in the blue post no one knows

[past marlin]

just more cdr for deepening shadows and 35 energy for shuriken storm

[wide kernel]

??? Wdym it's like the biggest cdr enabler

[pearl swan]

more cdr on dance

n sub eating so good

[sharp lake]

It's not a fun button its an optimization button. It has very little cool factor when pressing it. When you're a sicko it gets interesting because you need to line up supercharger with secret technique. But that's it, it's only interesting because of a talent at the end of the rogue tree. You could tack on most of its benefits onto shadow dance and it would change very little. The only exception is supercharger.

Sure it's cool when you're already waist deep in optimizing your throughput but if you're just here to play the video game? It's a chore.

[wide kernel]

Just macro it to shadow dance

[slate marlin]

god no

[wide kernel]

I also don't quite understand, what is this missing cool factor?

[slate marlin]

Well it has no visuals

Like coolest visual sub has is st clones and i didnt even realize they existed until i read it here

Bp visual is atrocious

[wide kernel]

I wasn't aware it had an animation

[sharp lake]

Like, game feedback? Visual effects, sound effects, class fantasy. Wings is a button you push that just increases your throughput but it's got sick visuals and feels cool. What's a symbol of death? It makes my character put her hands up in the air and makes a little woosh, what am I doing here?

[slate marlin]

theres your answer then

[bleak night]

wdym i love farting purple on people

[slate marlin]

Sub needs more purple

purple everywhere

[sharp lake]

I actually really like the noise that black powder makes, but yeah that animation is ass

[bleak night]

lets not be greedy now

you already have purple hands and purple farts

what more do you want

thats some top of the line class fantasy right there

[slate marlin]

Take all purple away from shadow priest

give it ti sub

[honest brook]

its 2025 still no fantasy lvls

[lucid lily]

I’d be happy if they just made SecTec flashier

[bleak night]

if you noticed secret technique how would you keep it a secret

[copper hedge]

you wouldnt survive to tell anyone about it

[lucid lily]

Damn. I’ve been destroyed.

[sharp lake]

It's impossible to do this but it'd be really cool if the damage from sec tech added up on your screen, like I know the CB sec tech does like umpteen million damage I just want to see the big number on my screen

[lucid lily]

That’s probably achievable with a weakaura, like the old kingsbane one from DF

[swift tinsel]

Xeph has one that can probably do that

Haven’t tried it with Sectech

[copper hedge]

does anyone have a macro for House of Cards and blades? sometimes it does not go off when i use a /cast /use macro with them both in it.

[wide kernel]

You can use mouse macros too

[molten citrus]

That should work fine

There’s not much else you can do

[merry umbra]

sub never felt the same since they took away my beloved death from above

[lilac stag]

Show your macro. That should not happen.

[void ocean]

I'll show u mine if u show me urs

[lilac stag]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-coroca-gif-18783985

[sterile kiln]

give dfa animation to coupe

[dusk nest]

!fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void ocean]

u sexy bastard

[heady shell]

First season playing wow, and I chose sub rogue.
I'm wondering, is the bug fix going to make a significant diference or be something I barely notice in terms of damage?

[alpine wraith]

you wont notice it

[wide kernel]

Bro, same

[heady shell]

Its been fun, my damage is not fully optimized but I think I know the rotation fairly well

[wide kernel]

It's actually really hard to tell if it has a meaningful impact because of variance from pull to pull. But also we dont know what triggered the bug, just that it COULD happen.

I saw like 11mil when I was doing ST rotation on 8 mobs though and there were dead bodies. So

You should see first pull difference too because of shadow strike NF.

[heady shell]

hmmmm alright

[wide kernel]

!mistakes

[wicked jolt]

Here are some common mistakes and how to spot them in your logs:

• Go into your log, press Timelines and Casts to the right like this
• Every single Flagellation & Blades window should look like the opener in this picture. Coup, shadowstrikes and eviscerates can move around a bit depending on procs, but all the other spells should be used exactly like this.
• Make sure you always get 8 globals of during your shadow dances. You can hover over your shadow dances to see the exact times they start, and then see if your 8th spell is within 8 seconds of that.
• If your shadow dance and/or symbols wasnt ready in time to be used like in the picture above you used too many in between your burst.

[hearty steeple]

Hello everyone, how can I get a 665 ilvl “Suspicious Energy Drink” trinket ?, I got one, maximum ilvl 658

[swift tinsel]

getting hero track from vault

do 8 level 8's for best chances

can also possibly get from using the delve map

[molten citrus]

delver's journey map, can do 1 each week

other than that, just vault

[hearty steeple]

Where i can buy that map from ?

[molten citrus]

you either loot it from completing delves or you buy a Wave Scrambler 2000 from the delve vendor for Undercoins, then use the Scrambler to summon the Underpin inside of a delve.

i would recommend looking up or reading a delve guide

[tribal blade]

holy fucking shit

people start shitting on your damage

while the tank is chain pulling the entire dungeon and you get 0 restealths

pugging as sin is hell

[slate marlin]

You mean chain pulling

or going to another pack when 1 mob is 3% hp

very different things

[tribal blade]

yes exactly that

[slate marlin]

ye thats complete griefing

[tribal blade]

i literally watched him pull the next pack when a mob had like 3% left

so that's -1 vanish charge immediately

[slate marlin]

Graham one you have 1 tank that knows how to chsinpull

its so beautiful

[tribal blade]

oh i have a team haha

so we communicate chain pulls

[slate marlin]

Lucky you

[tribal blade]

it's wonderful

not a full team, still need a healer

[slate marlin]

I can heal with my rogue

with crimsol vials

[tribal blade]

LOL

fan of bandages

[slate marlin]

Pugging is taking a toll on my mental health

I have to do my keys to get a 16

I dont want to do more rookerys 15

[tribal blade]

rookery kinda rough with pugs

in the hallways after 1st boss

before i could time a 15 rook it was constant brick in that hallway

[slate marlin]

No thats by far the easiest part

at least for me

[tribal blade]

well for rogue yeah it's chill

no problems

everyone ELSE

[slate marlin]

Area before 1st boss is a nightmare

[tribal blade]

dies 😉

that too

[slate marlin]

coulsnr count how many tanks cant gather 1st pull properly

with the voidrider ofc

[tribal blade]

yeah that's a hard pull

seen quite a few bricks on that pull too

[slate marlin]

Yeah its hard

but gathering it is the same every time

and i see tanks that leave half the pull in narnia

i dont do thst key without a dk anymore just for grips in 1st pull

[edgy zenith]

sim people: are you guys gonna compare the one-button rotation to optimal? DK discord did it, pretty interesting

[hazy breach]

Ye it sucks

Dw about it

It doesnt use deathmark or adrenaline rush

(theyll probably fix it but still funny)

[edgy zenith]

fake CDs

heard it doesn't use vanish too

non-crackshot builds are gonna go crazy

I'm so interested to see how scuffed the one-button for sub is

[molten citrus]

it honestly doesn't seem that bad even at first glance for what its designed to do

it doesn't press Blades yet either though

[edgy zenith]

that's really surprising to hear

[molten citrus]

most of the rotations seem to do about 50% of optimal DPS for various specs

but there are some specs where its only -20% or so

[edgy zenith]

I just hope the Outlaw one is like 75% of the way there so I can one-button my way through weeklies

that would be sooooo nice

[molten citrus]

i really doubt its going to be something you want to use even in +10s

[edgy zenith]

oh I do

[molten citrus]

more like a "do it once for the lulz" to see if its possible

[edgy zenith]

4M overall to 3M overall

I'll take it

[molten citrus]

but borderline griefing

i'm definitely going to at least try it once in pvp for fun

[hexed sluice]

I thought about its use in timewalking

but then I remembered timewalking is alot more fun when you oneshot every boss with proper opener

[wide kernel]

So... do rets have to press more or less buttons now?

[lilac stag]

same

[manic sierra]

converting to sub for mythic reverb, sin was awful, its warm over here too

!macro

[wicked jolt]

Subtlety Macros:
It is not recommended to macro most cooldowns, including Cold Blood+Secret Techniques and Dance+Symbols.
The following macros are an exception:

/cast Shadow Dance
/cast Thistle Tea```
```yaml
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Ancestral Call
/use House of Cards```
When using diffrent macros, make sure to keep the cooldowns on a seperate key.

[swift tinsel]

its my last raid so I'm playing outlaw on rik prog, lfg

[wide kernel]

I could have sworn this like doubled their apm

[lilac stag]

They have to use their utility spells to do that

[rocky ocean]

[vale pine]

compared to dragonflight? less

[worn ivy]

Did you guys know, rookery 1st boss when the boss is in the middle your sech tech clones does not going off and actually dropping down the edge. Bro this game …

[tepid trellis]

Yes “we” did know

[rocky ocean]

"we" in question:

[wide kernel]

thats wild

i didnt know the clones actually jumped off of a cliff

[rocky ocean]

akaari just saw the lack of buffs

[worn ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-cave-gif-8366204392601184116

This tbh

[tribal blade]

did you know that i knew that you knew

[alpine wraith]

i also knew that you knew that they knew

happens since beginning of the expansion you need to use extra SoD or skip rupture in the opener with CDS

[worn ivy]

Did u actually know on arena boss
Top if u step 0.1 into boss during big circle you take no damage ?

[tribal blade]

oh so you knew that i knew that he knew

cool

[alpine wraith]

never gets old

[vale pine]

!bugs

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Bug tracker: Spreadsheet | Github Tracker

[upbeat cradle]

Are there any tips for mug'zee and gallywix ? I feel like my uptime isn't as big as it should be but maybe it is the weird strat my pug did

[alpine wraith]

well not much you can do in mug zee

apart from not going into gaol

as for gally just changing a bit how cds go is usually worth

[short radish]

hey it knows how to coldblood sectech

thats pretty good

[vale pine]

I might made some copy/paste issues and it is lower than it should

i added trinket/combat potion to not completely screw the result, even tho used on cd

[keen dome]

Man, that's some quick work. Amazing.

[vale pine]

i think i need to add pre combat

let me quick test

okay, moment ill re-do the pin

One button Rotation.

The Rotation helper has roughly be translated to an apl, the damage output is roughly half of regular play.

Simulations:
⚔️ Single Target
🧌 Dungeon Slice

Note: I did just quickly fix the parsing issues, so this is only a very early estimate, i might made mistakes.
If you want to play around with it, I attached the apl i used for the simulation to this message.

[short radish]

pog 1% gain already in apl

[vale pine]

i might put it in wrong

or sth

ill update if i find a mistake i made

but it overall still does not look extremely good

even if you can get it down to 50% or so

it would still be very bad

[pastel rampart]

thats good

it should be awful

[vale pine]

haha

i mean it does get some concepts right

i assume some iteration can get it to be a bit lower, like 30-40% worse

[haughty rose]

is eye of kezan better than seaforium on every boss in LoU or are there some where seaforium is better?

[short radish]

if fight > 5min - kezan
if fight < 5min - seaforium

[shy ermine]

in practical terms it probably depends on if you get your 4th set of cds

before the fight ends

[alpine wraith]

eye can also be better if you just highroll

same as old signet

for parsing it is kinda a hit or miss just get 10 stacks in 3 mins

[haughty rose]

ok thanks

so basically only on gally xD

[short radish]

and mugzee

and mythic bosses i guess

[haughty rose]

yeah probably
my fastest was 4:42 but i think overall it's longer

[vapid raptor]

i came here to say, sub is smelly

[keen dome]

Wrong, we're grape scented

because purple

[vapid raptor]

Teal.

[vale pine]

a subtle smell?

[vapid raptor]

smell of poo

[vale pine]

think thats you, not subtlety

[vapid raptor]

no no sub poo 💩

i retract my statement, sub smells like carrots 🥕

[haughty mural]

[vapid raptor]

carrot 🥕 or poo 💩

[vale pine]

[vapid raptor]

🥕

[fallow nimbus]

What about the goon squad trinket?

[thorny ridge]

!Fuu

[wicked jolt]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[void hound]

interesting stuff

how does the game know what is the right rotation

is it manually set by blizzard?

[surreal siren]

Does it make sense to use blasphemite and 4 different colors as a sub? Or just put all the same master/vers gems and not to worry about?

[azure latch]

Maybe it’s like with Hekili addon. It took it from SimCraft

And updates regularly

[alpine wraith]

you can use blasphemite and just put all mastery vers

[surreal siren]

In that case raidbot advises me to get rid of the blasphemite at all. I mean, with the same color we dont get the blasphemite bonus

[alpine wraith]

what no you dont get rid of it

it gives agi

da fuq

[surreal siren]

it is what simulation said

[vale pine]

blizz implements a simple logic iirc

[plush roost]

I had a dream where we had hero talents in df and deathstalker sub was so op in season 2 because you had lingering darkness gloomblades at 100% bonus

And now I'm just left longing for days gone by

[lilac stag]

Agility on downward trend

[alpine wraith]

mastery masterrace makes sense tbh

[lilac stag]

trinkets and assuming dslice gonna shift it

pretty sure all secondaries are higher on assa for me at this point too

[alpine wraith]

i also use circe so might want to check that one again

[vale pine]

deathstalker can keep lingering in the darkness for what its worth

[tribal blade]

@vale pine so if the one button rotation is roughly half of regular play

that means it'll actually be a dps increase for a big chunk of players

smile

[vale pine]

it might get iterated on

maybe its only 30% worse

which would still mean regular play is better but would allow more people to participate in raiding

[tribal blade]

that's crazy

parsing is actually about to become the wild west haha

or i guess just the variance will be much lower

[slate marlin]

Can you imagine if they make it so good its 1% less dps only

[tribal blade]

lol nah there's no way

[slate marlin]

everyone running it

[tribal blade]

unless the ai is so good it takes into account upcoming mechanics and stuff

[slate marlin]

omega boring game it that happened

[tribal blade]

i still find it absolutely hilarious blizz it putting a 1 button rotation in the game

i never in a million years thought this would happen

i don't know whether to laugh or cry

[slate marlin]

The bottom 50% of this game or so

is dogshit

and probably will gain dps

[tribal blade]

they absolutely will

[slate marlin]

If blizzard iterates a bit nore

[tribal blade]

i've seen those players

[slate marlin]

not much more

[crystal bone]

its ironic

cuz they tried to get rid of 1 button macros for the longest time

[tribal blade]

true!

[lilac stag]

Pulling classic Andy’s into retail

[tribal blade]

actually yeah

i've watched enough classic clips to see those players

it's some cursed stuff

[void ocean]

wait, wtf is a one button rotation

[tribal blade]

OH BOY

[lilac stag]

I’m curious what they’re doing for healers

[tribal blade]

blizz is introducing a rotation helper

[void ocean]

i kinda see it being mentioned but i tho its that hekili they r introducing

[keen dome]

lol, that's a real good question

[tribal blade]

and 1 part of it is literally a 1 button rotation

you just press 1 button

you have an increased +0.2 secs of gcd as penalty

[void ocean]

so the button funcionallity chnages?

[tribal blade]

and it literally plays the game for you

[lilac stag]

You can footpedal the game any pretend you’re a drummer

[keen dome]

it doesn't

It doesn't use major cooldowns or interrupts

[lilac stag]

most players don’t

[tribal blade]

ah ok no major cds

[lilac stag]

So it’s still playing the game for them

[tribal blade]

but everything else in between though

[keen dome]

It's core buttons

[void ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/salute-raa-gif-14938908953589068603

major cd

[keen dome]

So no defensives, etc. Like. Saying it's playing the game for you is just a mischaracterisation of what it is.

[lilac stag]

outlaw with no CDs just spinning mouse wheel

[keen dome]

lmao

[void ocean]

so basically u press one button and the button functionallity changes?

[tribal blade]

i think it's absolute madness

[keen dome]

It's fine for what it is. It's not for everyone and it's not for us. It's whatever.

[void ocean]

like its mutilate now and it will turn into envenom?

[keen dome]

It's a good accessibility feature but it's gonna vary between specs so much haha

[keen dome]

atm I don't think it ever multilates on ptr 'cos posioned knife is bugged and is used in melee on it

[tribal blade]

maybe their time would be better spent on simplifying the game

[void ocean]

srsly

[tribal blade]

and making specs more intuitive to play

[void ocean]

dafuq r they wasting time on

[tribal blade]

it just doesn't feel like such a great use of resources

[void ocean]

who tf wants to play like that

and dafuq r u gonna learn playing like that

[keen dome]

I dunno. But i doubt it's pulling resources away from anything else.

[crystal bone]

this was asmon's take

he got so mad

in his react video

[void ocean]

every spec rotation can be learned in like 10 mins on dummy, the most important part is to get it mentaly automated to do it when it matters, e.g. under heavy boss mechanics n shit

[tribal blade]

haha yeah i watched it, i think he's right

[void ocean]

u wont learn that with pressing one button

[tribal blade]

his point is very valid

[crystal bone]

yup

[keen dome]

I don't think anything Asmon says is valid

[tribal blade]

i feel like this just goes against the entire philosophy of playing the game

[lilac stag]

their philosophy is make money

[crystal bone]

1 button assist with x amount of revisions and i could see wow on mobile

[lilac stag]

Get more streamers if they don’t have to focus

[graceful osprey]

I’d rather blizzard simplify things and/or have better visual cues for things, like I don’t pay enough attention but does shadow blades even make our weapons “shadow”?

[lilac stag]

And make it to Xbox port

[keen dome]

No, it makes our hands glow

[dawn summit]

i mean, people are still unfathomably bad at simpler versions of wow

there is no amount of simplifying that will make Timmy Ret stop huffing glue and eating leaded paint chips

[keen dome]

Flagellation makes our weapons glow for.. some reason.

[graceful osprey]

Lol I totally won’t see that. I wish the whole arm and weapons become shadowy

[dawn summit]

and at the end of the day, timmy keeps the lights on, so they have to throw him a bone with shit that nobody else cares about like one button macros

[tribal blade]

the other side of the coin for me is i did watch this really wholesome video of a dad playing wow with his kids

and he helps bring them along to dungeons and stuff

and they're quite young, so he set up hekili for his daughter so she can be less frazzled

so i can see it being very beneficial for those kinds of situtations

[graceful osprey]

I agree with that.

[tribal blade]

there's also people with disabilities who play the game

[keen dome]

I think it's a good accessibility tool / system for people who just wanna do casual content.

[tribal blade]

maybe i kinda see the point now

still a bit funny

[keen dome]

It's never going to see use in high-end. And anybody who wants to get better won't use it. So it's very whatever. I also think an argument on resources is absolutely nonsense. Man, they sure are pumping out a load of cosmetics lately. Resources from those should be better used on class balance. Like, what? that's not how it works haha

[graceful osprey]

It’s an interesting approach I would say instead of simplifying things a little more

[keen dome]

If anything this might make the designers look at some class rotations and go "what the fuck"

[tribal blade]

they might actually work on sub

[keen dome]

I imagine a lot of it will be a template thing. Like how I bet it uses shuriken toss if it's out of range (like the Assa one using posioned knife. In theory, but it doesn't right now)

[graceful osprey]

I have no idea how they would rework sub but I would always be a sub enjoyer. Ever since spamming ambush in shadow dance during og wrath.

[tribal blade]

i miss og dance

my hope is they make sub revolve around dance again

or more so around dance

[pastel rampart]

30 sec dance my beloved

[tribal blade]

i still really like fuu's idea of baking blades into dance

[short radish]

ONE MACRO A DAY

TO IMPROVE YOUR GAMEPLAY

[lilac stag]

some people rather play guitar hero than learning how to play the guitar. It’s not exactly different.

[short radish]

yeah

honestly as a toxic elitist

i think its good for the game

[graceful osprey]

Combine dance and blades and have sub actually do decent damage outside of cds?

[keen dome]

Very big s a m e.

[tribal blade]

SAME

[keen dome]

You can then delete flagellation, and make Shadow Blades do Flagellation's mastery buff. It'd be cleaner. And cooler.

[tribal blade]

DUDE i actually used to think this, i was a guitar player back in the day

[lilac stag]

It’s not going to change anything for mythic raiders

[short radish]

exactly

it makes the game more accessible

but its still shit enough

that it cant play it for you

[graceful osprey]

I actually want OG backstab sound

[lilac stag]

idgaf what people use to play the game. If you try to learn the spec you’ll do better.

[keen dome]

In another community, someone was worried we'd see like. An addon made. Which'd identify the one-button people to shame them.

But my thought is that nobody would make that addon because people will make arbitary decisions about other peoples performance regardless.

[short radish]

idc if theyre doing one button i just care what color their parse is

[keen dome]

I was doing Stix reclear yesterday in a pug, heroic. We had a Hunter who was being toxic to everyone. I do real bad damage on Stix 'cos nobody is killing crabs so I'm running around burning CD's on killing it so we don't wipe. After the fight, he goes mega-toxic at me and my bad damage lol

I check his damage and he's done no crab damage. barely any add damage.

People don't need addons or anything to form toxic opinions of others. Just ignorance and self-rightous silliness. It's hilarious

[short radish]

💯

[tribal blade]

i had the exact same literal thing happen to me today in a key

16 cinderbrew

with a tank not letting me have a single restealth the whole key

chaining mobs that were at 3% hp

[keen dome]

Urgh, haha

[short radish]

yeah i love it when tanks do that (i dont)

[tribal blade]

and then the enhance started talking shit

i wasn't doing turbo bad dps, just not as high dps as i could have been doing

getting restealths as bleed build is massive

way bigger than hybrid build i feel

[lilac stag]

Either let me restealth or fucking chain pull at 40% health bitch

[short radish]

yeah i agree

teh restealth really helps set you up

otherwise thats so many fucking globals to get 5 ruptures up

[tribal blade]

your dps is kinda fucked unless you have a vanish charge to use

and how i play cinderbrew now is i'm very conservative about sending vanishes so i can have em in events on chaining

but this tank was chaining so much i was running out EVEN while being conservative

[short radish]

[tribal blade]

i've trained the tank i run with well though haha

he's always asking "do you have a vanish charge"

"yeah it's fine, you can chain"

heaven

[white briar]

use crippling, you might have time to hang back and clean up while the tank runs ahead to pull allowing you to not get into combat with the next pack

[tribal blade]

crippling is actually kinda troll in some keys

it makes grouping packs take much longer sometimes

if they start spread

a lot of sin rogues would purposefully not use crippling even while having DTB

[hazy breach]

Ye id only really use crippling if we need the slow

It can screw up gathering otherwise

[white briar]

well if the tank is not letting you restealth, sounds like his problem 😄

[tribal blade]

the 1 place i swap to crippling is motherlode

for the azerite boss it's very good

and for the mines before last boss

the shiv cleave also slowing them additionally is pretty big

i run in a 3 melee dps comp so having a slow on the mines at all times is very important

[hazy breach]

Shiv cleave on that azerite boss and on IPA

8 second root

[vestal escarp]

Hehe

Gribbling

[old spindle]

Out of interest, looking at the rotation explained on wowhead, should you be using black powder on a single target encounter, in mythic+

[hazy breach]

No

[old spindle]

then why wowhead recommend 😄

[hazy breach]

Its either wrong or youre reading it wrong

[lilac stag]

link?

[old spindle]

under the mythic+ rotation section

[tropic pier]

Hi @tepid trellis sorry to bother you, but i was watching some of your POVs to prepare for gallywix and I saw you had a range check weakaura for when you were out of attack range, do you have that WA uploaded by any chance?

[hazy breach]

Well thats the aoe section

[fallow nimbus]

M+ rotation means aoe

[old spindle]

so its more of a me misunderstanding the wording then the written guide

[fallow nimbus]

Yes

The raid/st rotation is where you look for boss

[lilac stag]

7 or more targets

[fallow nimbus]

The "or 7 targets" got him

[lilac stag]

outlaw brain

Stuck at 5

[bleak night]

outlaw is target capped because they just took whatever the highest number they could find an outlaw to count to

[fallow nimbus]

"Bp only when flawless isn't up" could be misunderstood

[lilac stag]

I mean it’s a guide, written as ESL and it’s pretty straight forward if you’re not trying to read into anything.